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Title: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 14, 2018, 05:38:03 PM

Hey boss, remember that awesome Stealth Angel Ultra-Hyper-Duper-Cool Emergency Kit?

Well, someone just one-upped them big time!  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

Here it is, reviewed by CrazyRussianHacker...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g5O-kT9m8k

 :o

 :-\

Anyways, I did make a list of about mostly everything in it to check out how much it would actually cost to make one, and then maybe what could you REALLY do with 1000 bucks

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Case, orange, huge, probably not waterproof

Health & Hygiene
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Wet wipes, 2 packs, 20-40? each
Toothbrushes, 4
Toothpaste, small
Pen
Crayons, small
Notebook, small
Playing cards, propably not plastic

Medical
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Bandages, 2
Stretch Bandages
Gloves, propaby latex free
Medical tape, wide
Biohazard bags, useless
Trauma dressing, large, 2
Gauze pads
Tourniquet
Antibiotic cream
Tweezers
Scissors, nothing special
Aluminum splint, looks relatively ok
Burn gel
Bandaids, lots, cheap
Triangular bandage
First aid guide, cheap

Tools & Safety
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Backpack, small, cheap
Hi-vis vest, cheap, 2
Headlamps, led, cheap, 4
Paracord, orange
Carabiners, largish, 2
Matches, in plastic container, with striker OUTSIDE
Zipties
Velcro
Mini bic
Marker, mini
Stanley Fatmax, actual
Crank radio light w/e, cheapest of the cheap
Dust masks, 4
Foil Tape
Whistle
Mirror
"Axe", do not use, chinese (15e on DX)
Gloves
Solar "charger"
Vise Grips, cheap, rattly
Poncho, plastic, one use, use garbage bags instead
Drop cloth
Ziploc bags
Knife, /w flashlight and all that crap, buy a decent knife instead


Food & Water
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Drink bags, plastic, 4
Emergency water, in bags, most of the bag
Lifestraw, not genuine
Bridgford sandwiches & buns, 8
Emergency food rations, probably similar to NRG-5
Sugarfree mints

Sleeping & Shelter
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Sleeping bags, allegedly usable in "15°C", 4
Foil bivy, 4
Tent
Tarp, orange, cheap

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 14, 2018, 05:38:53 PM

Anyone up for the challenge, post below! :pok:

 :D

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 14, 2018, 06:49:25 PM

this will be fun. are we going by MSRP or by the price we can find in online stores (i.e. Amazon, REI....) ?  oh and are there restrictions other than the $1000 like weight or laws (blade length, tool locks, fire starting implements...) ?

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 14, 2018, 07:30:28 PM

Just go crazy, most of the stuff in that kit looked they came straight from china, so if you wanna go super cheap, DX.com is your friend,
or if you want to go actual quality, then it's more MTO knowledge  ;)

Oh right, and it should be at least for 4 people for 4 days  :)

Or if you want, you can stretch it out for more people or more days, only limit is the 1000$ price

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Steinar on May 14, 2018, 09:40:49 PM

Two persons for a little south of USD 3k, not that far from the threads real topic: http://www.dougritter.com/DR-aviator_survival_pak_index.htm

USD 1k isn't crazy if you really mean an emergency when you type emergency.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 14, 2018, 10:14:47 PM

you can get a decent shelter, 4 good (but probably heavy) backpacks, a really good water filter and tools fairly easy. the harder part is to fit 4 decent sleeping systems in that price range.

going with stainless steel pots, brands like Mora, Husqvarna, Kelty will help out. fire isn't expansive in itself. there are some good med kits as well that won't cost an arm and a leg. plus if the option is to go with a hardware store tarp (or a few) one could save quite a few pennies

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: ezdog on May 14, 2018, 11:26:31 PM

What a joke?

If that is really a Pelican Case the it is around $300 to start and is actually waterproof and should float too!
That and the Stanley FUBAR are the only name brand items that I saw in as much of the video as I could make myself watch though.

Why you would want that stuff in a Pelican Case is beyond me too and I have 20 or more of them and am literally in love with them for almost everything !

If this is for 4 people then you would do better having it split into 4 containers already able to grab and go and I would want food and water in there too.

Bizarre.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: chrono on May 14, 2018, 11:27:59 PM

He lost me when I saw that deck of playing cards. Also, all the ziplock bags are ridiculous. You can bag all that craps with 1/3 less volume, and in better organizing manner.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Alan K. on May 15, 2018, 06:07:26 AM

Do you think I actually have $1000.00? :rofl:
I might be interested if this is a figurative exercise and we mark cataloged items without really having to buy them.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 15, 2018, 07:29:56 AM

4 days of supplies.  Hmm...

Not a lot of great stuff, but at least they have a Sawyer Mini filter. Those things are very good. From what I understand, the Sawyer Squeeze (the slightly larger one) is better about not clogging up, but I doubt 4 people are going to muck one of them up in 4 days, and even if they do, it comes with backflushing stuff.

Those sleeping bags... down to 15c. What? That sounds just short of worthless. Throw in a (smaller, lighter) SOL Emergency Bivvy.

The crank radio is garbage. I've purchased ones like that. They're just terrible.

The solar phone charger is not going to work, most likely.

The winner for suck is that hatchet/shovel/saw combo. That think looks SUPER cheap. 

Without any kind of doubt in my mind, i could do better with $1000 that this.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 15, 2018, 08:44:10 AM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on May 15, 2018, 07:29:56 AM

4 days of supplies.  Hmm...

Not a lot of great stuff, but at least they have a Sawyer Mini filter. Those things are very good. From what I understand, the Sawyer Squeeze (the slightly larger one) is better about not clogging up, but I doubt 4 people are going to muck one of them up in 4 days, and even if they do, it comes with backflushing stuff.

Those sleeping bags... down to 15c. What? That sounds just short of worthless. Throw in a (smaller, lighter) SOL Emergency Bivvy.

The crank radio is garbage. I've purchased ones like that. They're just terrible.

The solar phone charger is not going to work, most likely.

The winner for suck is that hatchet/shovel/saw combo. That think looks SUPER cheap. 

Without any kind of doubt in my mind, i could do better with $1000 that this.

Then take the plunge, do this mental exercise. I'm getting some things sorted so should probably have my list sorted in the evening
But that 4 day and 4 people part really is beyond sanity. To me any kit that can keep someone going for a comfortable over night should be able to handle the length of the season (huge factors being clothing and sleeping system) if one can manage to get food. The shivering my smurf off, roughing it, almost dying overnighters don't really count since one is already starting at a huge deficit.

The 4 people part basically messes with the math for the sole reason of getting to do so. Normally 4 people means 2 adults and 2 children. Since kids aren't pack mules, the bulk of the weight is still going with the adults. The cost is also going to tip that way which is good. Smaller pads and sleeping bags tend to be cheaper, you don't necessarily have to count on 4 similar tools (or with similar use), etc.
And really the shovel question comes down to what type of ground will you be encountering and what are you thinking of doing with it.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 11:44:55 AM

Quote from: Alan K. on May 15, 2018, 06:07:26 AM

Do you think I actually have $1000.00? :rofl:
I might be interested if this is a figurative exercise and we mark cataloged items without really having to buy them.

This is indeed just a figurative/mental exercise, no need to spend anything but time and brain power :)

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 15, 2018, 01:34:39 PM

 :rofl: its funny how excited he gets. But I get sad if he has to admit at every 2nd item that he has no idea how to use it.

"that's a lot of stuff", no, that is a lot of gunk... Basically, nothing is worth the money except the case. Sleeping bag good for temperatures of 15°C and more. At that temperature you don't need a sleeping bag.
Lynn will of course confirm it needs:
- more sporks
- more paracord
- the case should be covered in molle webbing
- several larger trash bags
Personally I would also add some firewood, maybe even coal.

Joking aside. 1k is not that much, put a Fällkniven A1Pro as main blade and a WM1 as backup in there and you are already halfway there. Supplement it with a Gerber Downrange Hawk you are getting dangerously close. Then if you really take a big ass Pelican case (what is that 300$), you will also need a carrying system for rougher terrain another 300$ and you have broken the bank.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 15, 2018, 01:45:07 PM

Quote from: AlephZero on May 14, 2018, 07:30:28 PM

Just go crazy, most of the stuff in that kit looked they came straight from china, so if you wanna go super cheap, DX.com is your friend,
or if you want to go actual quality, then it's more MTO knowledge  ;)

Oh right, and it should be at least for 4 people for 4 days  :)

Or if you want, you can stretch it out for more people or more days, only limit is the 1000$ price

We are talking survival... what is the first item you should pack? Of course a portable espresso machine... you can't survive without coffee! That will set you back the first 100$ (150$ if you take the set).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHcVbLv7APg

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 02:11:35 PM

Then again, why would you put all that high-end stuff in an emergency kit...  :pok:

 :D

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: ezdog on May 15, 2018, 03:20:06 PM

Quote from: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 02:11:35 PM

Then again, why would you put all that high-end stuff in an emergency kit...  :pok:

 :D

Because Quality is Quality!
The trick is probably to balance the quality stuff that I EDC and appreciate all the time with the things that will drive me crazy if when needed perform like the cheap crap that they are?

I know that for me I would rather have a few items that I know I can count on than many that I suspect I can not.

YMMV obviously

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 15, 2018, 03:36:25 PM

Quote from: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 02:11:35 PM

Then again, why would you put all that high-end stuff in an emergency kit...  :pok:

 :D

What else am I going to do with a Downrange Tomahawk? :P

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 05:59:04 PM

Found the original maker's website: https://emergencycase.com/

Word of warning though... It's a :facepalm: central

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 06:07:47 PM

Anyways, I'm sure we all have our own ideas what should be in a proper emergency kit... So let's get them out!  :tu:

And please, let's not derail this too much...  ::)  :D

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 06:35:53 PM

More I look at the contents, more my brain hurts...

I mean ok, we have this HUGE case... You're not going to carry it with you, it's either at home, or in your car (if you can fit it) or maybe RV.

If that's the case, what do you need a tent for? You already have a shelter. Much better shelter than a el cheapo tent.

15°C+ sleeping bags?  :think: I think they're called sleeping bag liners over here...

Toothbrushes, -paste and mints? I don't think bad breath has ever killed anyone...

Ziploc bags... And "Biohazard bags"... really?

I think the whole "Medical System" should be replaced with a decent commercial First Aid Kit (or one of your own)

That "axe" "multitool": well its 15-16e at DX -> http://www.dx.com/p/multi-function-outdoor-camping-shovel-spade-tools-108495

The folding knife can't be more than $10, and even that would be too much for it

Just mindstorming here...

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 15, 2018, 06:45:14 PM

not sure about the rest of the world but here we have car first aid kits that go for about $20 and they are actually quite well equipped so I'd personally go with that even though they are bulky, heavy and somewhat of an overkill in some respects

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 15, 2018, 07:04:20 PM

That's what I've been thinking as well, although the First Aid Kits here usually lack the burn gel, which I have found useful at times...  :P

Don't ask me how :-\

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2018, 09:32:33 PM

With a box that big I think I'd take a PLB or satellite phone, a small first aid kit and fill the rest with clean water.   :facepalm:

And it has to be for four people- it takes that many to carry the darned thing.  I second Aleph's comments about the tent.  I have a tent like that from Wal Mart that cost around $20-30 I think.  And the sleeping bag is only good for four or five months here, and in those months you really don't need a sleeping bag at all.   :facepalm:

I doubt that is a real Pelican box, but if it is, I'd still say this kit is overpriced at $500.   :facepalm:

The case itself amuses me- the wheels on it supposedly make it easier to take along with you, but those tiny wheels are only good for floors in an airport, and not much good outside.  This could be handy of you need to survive in the Departure Lounge, but I just don't see it being much use anywhere else.  Still, these guys obviously sold at least one, so good for them.

Def

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2018, 09:42:07 PM

It's funny that you mention my ultra super duper survival kit, because as I was watching this video I was thinking about it.  Some of teh tactcal stuff in there amused me, just like in the Stealth Angel kit (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71181.0.html).

And, I swear they must be marketed by the same guy- here are a couple of emails I have gotten from Krist at Stealth Angel (and yes, it amuses me that the Stealth Angel's name is Krist  ::))

Quote

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We know that everybody should have an Everyday Carry Backpack (EDC) to help in this cause.

That's why we are having this 24 hour flash sale.

You can get our certified EDC backpacks for under $20!!

These are StealthAngelSurvival.com certified
​​​​​​​Everyday Carry Backpack (EDC) and they do the job perfectly. EDC is becoming a very popular term just like the Bug Out Bag (BOB) 5-6 years ago. The difference is the everyday carry bag gets used, Every Single Day!

You need something compact, reliable, and affordable that you can carry your daily survival supplies in.

Having a prepared EDC bag on you in todays world is essential, you never want to hear yourself say, "I wish I had prepared".

Having one of our guaranteed EDC backpacks in your car, office, or home can really make a difference for you or someone else.

Act now as supplies are limited. Getting this robust, tough, and durable EDC backpack for under $20 is a great deal and supplies won't last.

Remember, we're all in this together!

As Always….. Prepare Today, Survive Tomorrow
The StealthAngelSurvival.com Team

Quote

Imagine it’s night...You're safe in your bed...Suddenly you hear something banging around your garage.

You think it's just a squirrel so you grab your flashlight and go to investigate...

The second you get to the foot of the stairs, a 300lb thug crashes through the door and bum rushes you.

What do you do?

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picture of an oversized flashlight

It’s not an ordinary flashlight...It’s the SL2400 Monster Torch...

and it's 44% off today!

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Click Here To see this thing in action...this torch will stop any thug dead in their tracks.

Grab one today get it and save 44%... I guarantee you won’t regret it.

Remember, we're all in this together!

As Always….. Prepare Today, Survive Tomorrow
The StealthAngelSurvival.com Team

The last line there, about us all being in this together really amuses me, as it reminds me of a Canadian comedy show called Red Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q29u0WCiCUQ

Between you and me, I am pretty sure I'd rather have Red Green with me in a SHTF type situation than Krist....  :facepalm:

Def

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: ezdog on May 15, 2018, 10:21:28 PM

In the video he calls it a Pelican Case but there is no other mention anywhere I have seen that it is?
This acting like there is no difference between the real thing and cheap knock offs seems mostly what this kit is about in the video and I imagine all of us here know or think better about getting what you pay for by building one ourselves.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 15, 2018, 10:44:24 PM

well I did it and manage to have $50 spare. some items could be upgraded though  (like Lynn said the SOL bivvy) and some dropped at least in quantity. also note that I used Amazon exclusively 

- a fairly decent compass is included in the first aid kit, thus no extra
- the first aid kit is decent, but could use some extra things for larger cuts, burns and maybe a splint
- considering that I was going off the 15°C sleeping bag there is no bug net, bug spray or a warmer sleeping bag (again I'd fix that for myself but the budget is what it is)
- some of the quantities don't make sense because I'm not great with imperial weight measurements (is 13oz of vaseline too much or not enough?)
- brand names are there only where it could make a difference

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2018, 11:06:35 PM

Quote from: styx on May 15, 2018, 10:44:24 PM

well I did it and manage to have $50 spare. some items could be upgraded though  (like Lynn said the SOL bivvy) and some dropped at least in quantity. also note that I used Amazon exclusively 

- a fairly decent compass is included in the first aid kit, thus no extra
- the first aid kit is decent, but could use some extra things for larger cuts, burns and maybe a splint
- considering that I was going off the 15°C sleeping bag there is no bug net, bug spray or a warmer sleeping bag (again I'd fix that for myself but the budget is what it is)
- some of the quantities don't make sense because I'm not great with imperial weight measurements (is 13oz of vaseline too much or not enough?)
- brand names are there only where it could make a difference

Your kit is missing one very important factor:

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profit for the guy selling it.

 :facepalm:

Def

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2018, 11:09:27 PM

I forgot to mention also that the solar charger in that kit looks an awful lot like the one I bought recently.

https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,76324.0.html

So far I haven't really used the solar panel so I can't comment on it's effectiveness, but as the sun is out now (summer is finally here!) I may just give it a shot.

Def

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 12:29:51 AM

The solar charger I have is (if not exactly the same) very similar.

It has enough power to charge my iPhone 5 twice from full charge. It will recharge about 1/4 of the way from 8 hours of strong sunlight. That's not great, but it's also not nothing. It means that in 2 or so days of charging, i could completely recharge my phone, and if I was using my phone sparingly, I think it could keep my phone charged indefinitely.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: microbe on May 16, 2018, 01:05:28 AM

At $250 per head, it sounds like a good deal. Looking at the low quality content of the kit, it's real value may very well sit at half the retail price. If I would put a kit together for 4 people myself, the overall quality would be a lot better, but it likely would supersede $250 per head. Then again, why would you skimp on an emergency kit it you put it together yourself, for yourself.
I'd like to be reasonably comfortable, even in emergencies.

I should really pre pack and label my gear for an emergency. Right now, it is all spread around my place and is not really grab and go..  Still, in 10 minutes, I can probably pack a rolling duffel with everything I need, and some.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 04:39:32 AM

Quote from: microbe on May 16, 2018, 01:05:28 AM

Then again, why would you skimp on an emergency kit it you put it together yourself, for yourself.

Budget.

If you're scraping by to begin with, planning emergency preparedness can be hard, and sometimes it can come down to getting not-best options and hope they're good enough if something happens, until you have time to upgrade.

Unrelated, I started working on a $250 one-person kit spreadsheet. It's strangely harder than I thought it would be.

EDIT: A big problem I have is trying to fit in the $50 cost of an SOL Escape Bivvy.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: microbe on May 16, 2018, 08:38:14 AM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 04:39:32 AM

Quote from: microbe on May 16, 2018, 01:05:28 AM

Then again, why would you skimp on an emergency kit it you put it together yourself, for yourself.

Budget.

If you're scraping by to begin with, planning emergency preparedness can be hard, and sometimes it can come down to getting not-best options and hope they're good enough if something happens, until you have time to upgrade.

Unrelated, I started working on a $250 one-person kit spreadsheet. It's strangely harder than I thought it would be.

EDIT: A big problem I have is trying to fit in the $50 cost of an SOL Escape Bivvy.

True that. There was a time in my life that every day felt like survival. I was basically living out of a suitcase. It did make packing up and leaving with all necessities a lot quicker though.

I got the gear to support me and my wife, I dont have an over view of the total cost, but my Solo Campfire stove was over $100. my Vic Spirit over $100, and a good pocket knife over $200, and I am not even started yet....

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 16, 2018, 09:52:27 AM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 04:39:32 AM

Quote from: microbe on May 16, 2018, 01:05:28 AM

Then again, why would you skimp on an emergency kit it you put it together yourself, for yourself.

Budget.

If you're scraping by to begin with, planning emergency preparedness can be hard, and sometimes it can come down to getting not-best options and hope they're good enough if something happens, until you have time to upgrade.

Unrelated, I started working on a $250 one-person kit spreadsheet. It's strangely harder than I thought it would be.

EDIT: A big problem I have is trying to fit in the $50 cost of an SOL Escape Bivvy.

About that SOL Bivvy. Watched a couple of videos, they look quite fragile. I'm wondering why you choose the Escape over the Emergency Bivvy. I watched a comparison video and it seems that the Escape, while a bit thicker and richer in feature does not offer that much more and the Emergency can be bought for less than 20$ here, or about 25$ for the larger 2-person Emergency Bivvy.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 16, 2018, 11:01:35 AM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2018, 11:06:35 PM

Quote from: styx on May 15, 2018, 10:44:24 PM

well I did it and manage to have $50 spare. some items could be upgraded though  (like Lynn said the SOL bivvy) and some dropped at least in quantity. also note that I used Amazon exclusively 

- a fairly decent compass is included in the first aid kit, thus no extra
- the first aid kit is decent, but could use some extra things for larger cuts, burns and maybe a splint
- considering that I was going off the 15°C sleeping bag there is no bug net, bug spray or a warmer sleeping bag (again I'd fix that for myself but the budget is what it is)
- some of the quantities don't make sense because I'm not great with imperial weight measurements (is 13oz of vaseline too much or not enough?)
- brand names are there only where it could make a difference

Your kit is missing one very important factor:

Show content

profit for the guy selling it.

 :facepalm:

Def

amazon associate links in the description :tu:

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 16, 2018, 11:06:09 AM

Quote from: Etherealicer on May 16, 2018, 09:52:27 AM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 04:39:32 AM

Quote from: microbe on May 16, 2018, 01:05:28 AM

Then again, why would you skimp on an emergency kit it you put it together yourself, for yourself.

Budget.

If you're scraping by to begin with, planning emergency preparedness can be hard, and sometimes it can come down to getting not-best options and hope they're good enough if something happens, until you have time to upgrade.

Unrelated, I started working on a $250 one-person kit spreadsheet. It's strangely harder than I thought it would be.

EDIT: A big problem I have is trying to fit in the $50 cost of an SOL Escape Bivvy.

About that SOL Bivvy. Watched a couple of videos, they look quite fragile. I'm wondering why you choose the Escape over the Emergency Bivvy. I watched a comparison video and it seems that the Escape, while a bit thicker and richer in feature does not offer that much more and the Emergency can be bought for less than 20$ here, or about 25$ for the larger 2-person Emergency Bivvy.

you could also go with a thicker, more durable space blanket for about $20. there is also the scrounger route of going with a $10 reflective windshield shade but you can't cover yourself with that so it is only good if you're using a Mors' supershelter like setup

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 10:02:36 PM

The reason you want an Escape Bivvy over any other option is simple. It's breathable. I have tested the (REALLY excellent) SOL 2-person emergency blanket. That thing is pretty tough, and if you tear it, it won't start a running tear. It's amazingly warm. I sat outside in a t-shirt and shorts in weather that was just at freezing with a probably 15mph wind, with only that blanket for a hour. I gave up from boredom, not from cold.

BUT...

The problem is all those mylar type shelter options collect moisture from perspiration, which you do all the time. And if you get wet, you are kind of screwed in cold weather. I am willing to shell out a big chunk of budget for an option that won't leave me soaked in the morning. Because that can kill you in cold weather.

I AM considering the Escape Lite Bivvy, which is made of lighter material than the standard Escape Bivvy. It should be good for 4 nights.

As for the durability of the product, I can only use this as evidence to it's longevity (particularly for a 4-night bag)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFbGMjhHg4

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 16, 2018, 10:43:53 PM

well that is impressive

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Why does 2gosystems have a Swiss Flag in their logo :think:

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: pfrsantos on May 18, 2018, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Why does 2gosystems have a Swiss Flag in their logo :think:

Don't know, but I think that's a plus!

 :whistle:

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 18, 2018, 06:13:33 PM

Quote from: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Why does 2gosystems have a Swiss Flag in their logo :think:

Pretty sure because they can't have red cross symbol, so they reversed it  :think:

Maybe you Swiss should trademark your flag as well as International Red Cross does...  :pok:

 :cheers:

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 09:21:15 PM

Quote from: AlephZero on May 18, 2018, 06:13:33 PM

Quote from: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Why does 2gosystems have a Swiss Flag in their logo :think:

Pretty sure because they can't have red cross symbol, so they reversed it  :think:

Maybe you Swiss should trademark your flag as well as International Red Cross does...  :pok:

 :cheers:

Pretty sure you could put the red-cross in there as its just part of the logo. The red cross logo (actually is the reverse of the Swiss flag, although that is not entirely proven it is rather likely) and the Swiss flag are too generic. So, a red cross on a white ground as part of a bigger logo is totally legal.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 11:28:40 PM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on May 16, 2018, 10:02:36 PM

The reason you want an Escape Bivvy over any other option is simple. It's breathable. I have tested the (REALLY excellent) SOL 2-person emergency blanket. That thing is pretty tough, and if you tear it, it won't start a running tear. It's amazingly warm. I sat outside in a t-shirt and shorts in weather that was just at freezing with a probably 15mph wind, with only that blanket for a hour. I gave up from boredom, not from cold.

BUT...

The problem is all those mylar type shelter options collect moisture from perspiration, which you do all the time. And if you get wet, you are kind of screwed in cold weather. I am willing to shell out a big chunk of budget for an option that won't leave me soaked in the morning. Because that can kill you in cold weather.

I AM considering the Escape Lite Bivvy, which is made of lighter material than the standard Escape Bivvy. It should be good for 4 nights.

As for the durability of the product, I can only use this as evidence to it's longevity (particularly for a 4-night bag)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxFbGMjhHg4

Great video... so, tough after all.

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: Lynn LeFey on May 19, 2018, 12:13:50 AM

I would say reasonably tough for a 4 day kit. Beyond that might be a matter of how well you treat your gear.

ezdog... thanks. I'll try to keep an eye out.  :salute:

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: styx on May 19, 2018, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: AlephZero on May 18, 2018, 06:13:33 PM

Quote from: Etherealicer on May 18, 2018, 02:43:11 PM

Quote from: ezdog on May 17, 2018, 01:46:45 AM

I grabbed one of these as it seems to offer more features and space than most and of course is pricier than most too?

https://www.2gosystems.com/

Also Lynn I have snagged the SOL stuff at the Academy Sports near you for cheap a few times as they seem to go on sale without warning for 1/2 off or less!

Worth Trolling the store for sure,at least it has been for me!

Why does 2gosystems have a Swiss Flag in their logo :think:

Pretty sure because they can't have red cross symbol, so they reversed it  :think:

Maybe you Swiss should trademark your flag as well as International Red Cross does...  :pok:

 :cheers:

a lot of people will jump to Switzerland in their mind when they see that symbol anyway. just like we have red and white chessboard pattern

Title: Re: 1000$ Emergency Kit!
Post by: AlephZero on May 19, 2018, 07:46:18 PM

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