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Tool Talk => Leatherman Tools => Topic started by: Chako on September 19, 2014, 01:40:33 AM
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I received a nice package today from the Cutlery Shoppe. Inside the package...the 3 Leatherman Leaps that I had ordered.
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Each package contained a clear plastic bag that contained the Leap and the blade exchanger, and a nice paper user's guide.
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My first impression...man this multi-tool is small. Not sure why I thought it would be larger with the target audience being children. I sure was taken slightly back looking at this diminutive multi-tool. The blade comes in a protective plastic sheath in the same colour as the multi-tool ordered.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6039small_zps8e71a08e.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6039small_zps8e71a08e.jpg.html)
The tool is roughly 8 cm long. Yeah, this is a small tool.
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Think Juice size and you wouldn't be far off. Here it is in my hand.
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My second impression...I actually like the plastic feel of the handles. Once I started exploring the tool further, I was a bit taken aback at the scissors. I was surprised and a bit dismayed that the scissors are sharp and pointy. I figured this being geared towards children, they would have designed a more kid friendly rounded pair of scissors. Why go all PC with the blade when you are arming your little ones with something equally as dangerous.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6042small_zps9fd27eca.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6042small_zps9fd27eca.jpg.html)
The pliers are nice and what I would expect on a Leatherman.
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Except for the dangerous scissors design, everything looked well designed, right down to the child sized nail nicks that my larger fingernails had some trouble negotiating. For its intended audience, I feel this is ok. For adults who may intend to EDC this, you have two options, get used to it or get ride of it.
The colours are nice and bright. Downright cheerful some might say.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6044small_zps7c2ffb43.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6044small_zps7c2ffb43.jpg.html)
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The locking mechanism is a bit fiddly at that. I tend to not read the manual and try to figure things out on my own. I locked the scissors and couldn't figure out the locking mechanis until a few minutes had ticked by and I noticed the indents on the handles. Doh! Those aren't just for decoration. :facepalm: :D
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I did find them to be somewhat stiff. Like the nail nicks, they aren't exactly designed for larger fingers.
One side of the Leap is mostly covered. There is an empty slot for the addition of the blade.
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At one of the the Leap, you have a nice large lanyard hole. Likewise, you also have a few tools that fold away. I was surprised at the tweezers much like the Micra. It is nice to see Leatherman adding some of their older design cues into the much newer Leap.
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(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6052small_zps467e3a38.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6052small_zps467e3a38.jpg.html)
The blade comes packaged in a plastic safety carrier. On the underside, are these instructions.
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On the top side, you can see that the blade is safely nestled away in its carrier.
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Conclusion:
So some of you may be wondering what I make of the Leap. Well I have mentioned in several threads that I have always seen the Leap like a Gerber. Having them in my hand hasn't dissuaded me from that viewpoint. It feels and looks like something Gerber would have cooked up. Knowing that it is a Leatherman, only incites me to excitement. If I like anything, it is always the odd and bizzar multi-tool design. I am happy to state that the Leap fits that bill on several points.
I know this won't be for everyone, but the handle material feels good to me. It isn't stainless steel, but that would be cold and heavy for the intended user. Likewise, I like the many nice little touches that Leatherman has included. The one glaring thing that I find shocking...seeing that this must have passed through a group of people, is the pointy scissors. It doesn't make sense to me that they didn't round off the scissors. I mean, as a school teacher, I am familiar with the multitude of rounded tip safety scissors. That Leatherman didn't round the tips is a bit shocking to me...and could be a deal breaker for the safety conscious parents out there.
If nothing else, they sure are bright and cheerful.
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Excellent write up and pictures. :tu:
The picture of the Leap in your hand really shows the size and I do not know why, but I was not expecting it to be that small either.
The pointy scissors and saw make me think. If they are really going for a kid friendly "safe" tool you would think they would have rounded the scissors and had a metal/wood file instead of the saw. Leaving the option of adding a saw or blade.
It just seems not well thought out. I cannot see why it would not be well thought out since they probably spend quite a bit of money and time developing tools, but I would love to hear a explanation on why they decided on these features. :think:
With the pointy scissors and saw I would rather just buy my kid a proper multitool.
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Thanks for the in depth look at the leap, man it's small or you have really big paws. :)
Sak's rule !
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Thanks for the pictorial and your thoughts. :cheers:
Could you maybe take a few pics of it next to a Juice?
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That I can do...give me a second.
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Here is it next to a Juice Xe6.
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The pliers are not as dainty on the Leap...but almost the same size.
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As far as thickness goes...fairly close to the burly Juice Xe6.
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Hope that helps.
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Nice Chako thanks for the photos.
Do you think the handles can be paint black?
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Thanks. :salute:
So I was right after all in my thoughts on their patent almost exactly a year ago. :D
Leatherman filed for a patent on a new tool, the LEAP.
Here's the description:
Multi-function hand tools comprised of any combination of pliers, wire cutter, knife, saw, scissors, screwdrivers, tweezers, a ruler, and a lanyard ring.
Anyone have any more info on it?
Or care to guess what it might be?
I'm thinking something pocket sized, maybe the size of the Juice series. They haven't done much in that size in years and the tool loadout described above would make an interesting addition to that size. :salute: Also I can't imagine them adding tweezers to a full sized tool or a saw to a keychain sized one. :D
More info here:
http://www.trademarkia.com/leap-86023325.html (http://www.trademarkia.com/leap-86023325.html)
And now we know how long it takes them from parent to store shelf. ;)
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The plier head looks pretty close to the ones on the Wingman and Sidekick, though it looks like the Leap has bypass cutters.
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It is plastic. I suppose it could...however, no telling how durable the finish might be. :think:
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I'm glad you like it too Dan. Magnificent tool :tu:
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That's pretty small but thick. I also question the inclusion of a saw for a kid's tool, and also second the pointy scissors problem. Nonetheless, it looks like an interesting step for Leatherman to make.
Nice pictures, Dan.
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That's pretty small but thick.
:whistle:...................
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Oh gosh. :twak: :D
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Hahahahahahahaha sorry it's late >:D
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Oh gosh. :twak: :D
Someone ANL as you should've known better...
:whistle: :D
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I received a nice package today from the Cutlery Shoppe. Inside the package...the 3 Leatherman Leaps that I had ordered.
My first impression...man this multi-tool is small. Not sure why I thought it would be larger with the target audience being children. I sure was taken slightly back looking at this diminutive multi-tool. The blade comes in a protective plastic sheath in the same colour as the multi-tool ordered.
Think Juice size and you wouldn't be far off. Here it is in my hand.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6041small_zpsc0d90e0d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6041small_zpsc0d90e0d.jpg.html)
My, what big hands you have...
:D :D
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Seeing it makes me really want to get one for my son for Christmas. Thanks for the pics and writeup!
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I am waiting for them to release the special "bad boy edition" of leap, with sling shot, hidden cig lighter etc.
I could really use one like that, going back 30 years.
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@Chako,
You love buying in bulk :D And I love your pictures :D Thanks for showing :salute:
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I am waiting for them to release the special "bad boy edition" of leap, with sling shot, hidden cig lighter etc.
I could really use one like that, going back 30 years.
That's funny ! Can't forget the hidden stash container .
Sak's rule !
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Sweet! I like it, and this photo review really has me wanting one for pocket carry. Also, wishing my kids were a little older :)
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Thanks for good pictures and write up. :salute: I also imagined it bigger somehow.
I will eventually have to get one to see for myself.
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Nice write up! :tu:
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thanks for the great writeup and excellent pics, Chako! :cheers:
I think both my boys might be getting one for Christmas this year. :D although Dad might have to dig through his parts stash and replace the saw blades with something else... :think:
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Matt, can you mod me the special bad boy edition LEAP with Cigar Cutter, lighter , cork screw & sling shot?
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All welcome.
I am still taken aback at the size of the tool, and those pointy scissors. The saw oddly enough does not bother me much. Not sure why. I am sure if I was going to gift this to a 6 year old, I would worry about the continued health of all wooden furniture in the house...I mean, I can remember how I was at 6. :D
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All welcome.
I am still taken aback at the size of the tool, and those pointy scissors. The saw oddly enough does not bother me much. Not sure why. I am sure if I was going to gift this to a 6 year old, I would worry about the continued health of all wooden furniture in the house...I mean, I can remember how I was at 6. :D
that's EXACTLY what I'm worried about! ;)
Matt, can you mod me the special bad boy edition LEAP with Cigar Cutter, lighter , cork screw & sling shot?
I'll see what I can do, Kampfer... :rofl:
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The saw concerns me more than any other tool. If its as sharp as other LM saws it can do much more damage than scissors or the non pointed knife. Take a the saw or the blade to flesh and tell me which cuts look worse.
I'll get my son one later on but will probably replace the saw with something else. Or blunt it and call it the fish scaler.
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The scissors are the kicker for me. Not only am I worried about my 6 year old cutting himself, but I also have a 2 year old running around and my son tends to forget to put his stuff up. My wife took one look at the leap in this thread and said "Absolutely not".
It's just not done right. It's kind of a half assed effort, more of a gimmick than a practical tool for it's intended usage and audience. If a kid is old enough and mature enough to handle a saw, then a blade shouldn't be a concern. They don't seem to outline the age group it's aimed at, but I would say more like an 8 year old than a 6 year old. And I agree with you Dan, it totally looks more like something Gerber would put out. I would like to handle one myself, but I won't give one to my kid.
I am going to wait a bit longer and give my son a SAK like my dad gave me when I was 6.
When he proves he can handle that, I'll just move him on to a real Leatherman, probably a kick/fuse/blast if I can find him one. Hopefully he will take to them like I did. When I was 10 I had an 8 inch bowie knife on my hip and a gerber folding saw in my cargo pocket, and I terrorized the woods around my house building forts and stuff.
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It's just not done right. It's kind of a half assed effort, more of a gimmick than a practical tool for it's intended usage and audience. If a kid is old enough and mature enough to handle a saw, then a blade shouldn't be a concern. They don't seem to outline the age group it's aimed at, but I would say more like an 8 year old than a 6 year old. And I agree with you Dan, it totally looks more like something Gerber would put out. I would like to handle one myself, but I won't give one to my kid.
just FYI, on the Leatherman site (http://leap.leatherman.com/), the description states that the Leap is intended for ages 9 and up.
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It's just not done right. It's kind of a half assed effort, more of a gimmick than a practical tool for it's intended usage and audience. If a kid is old enough and mature enough to handle a saw, then a blade shouldn't be a concern. They don't seem to outline the age group it's aimed at, but I would say more like an 8 year old than a 6 year old. And I agree with you Dan, it totally looks more like something Gerber would put out. I would like to handle one myself, but I won't give one to my kid.
just FYI, on the Leatherman site (http://leap.leatherman.com/), the description states that the Leap is intended for ages 9 and up.
I just found that, the one that comes up if you click the first banner doesn't detail the age definition.
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I think the optional knife is more of a political than a practical move. A knife--particularly a pocket knife--is stigmatized as a weapon, while saws and scissors aren't.
So what do you think crew? Swapping those pliers into a Wingman? Not worth the price of both tools? Yeah, you're pretty much right.
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Eh, I've been recovering from emergency surgery [it flipping happens....] and was going to take the dive/leap for the leap for two nephews of mine. So, now -- I can't find the LEAP anywhere.
As it turns out, there was a Cabela's link for the Leap in particular. Says it's no longer available online and to call if you want to purchase. Well, per Cabela's, LM has issued a safety recall for the Leap. No idea what the problem is, but you cannot find it now...and it must have been very recent, because I had checked this past week for places to buy.
Anyway, I've not heard of a recall on a LM product before. Now, they've come out with the first tool for kidlets - hope all is well.
At any rate - FYI. ???
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:oops:
This is a bit worrying. :-\
And the LM website, although having it on their site with a price of $49.85 list it as "THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE."
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I bet someone got cut trying to install the separate blade...
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The ones that are not returned will be collectors items if they do pull it off the shelves
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:oops:
This is a bit worrying. :-\
And the LM website, although having it on their site with a price of $49.85 list it as "THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE."
I just checked, and for me it says "Coming Soon!". I do wonder though... The text also mentions "a two-hand opening knife blade for safer deployment" - is that new, or? Both Chako's images and the images on LM's site, show the knife blade with a thumbhole, that looks ideal for OHO.
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Interesting. :popcorn:
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Holding onto mine even tighter now...if that is possible. :facepalm:
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I had serious concerns about that blade tang when I first saw it. I wonder if it's anything to do with that :think:
Hope no kiddies have been hurt with this tool
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Holding onto mine even tighter now...if that is possible. :facepalm:
Maybe you don't want to hold them too tight. :D
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Holding onto mine even tighter now...if that is possible. :facepalm:
Maybe you don't want to hold them too tight. :D
Good call! :D
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:multi: = :skull:! :think:
:D
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Holding onto mine even tighter now...if that is possible. :facepalm:
Hey, they have quite a distinction now: they're your only recalled Leatherman models. You'll need to get the re-releases too, though. ;) :multi:
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:facepalm:
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My guesses.
1. Plastic blade holder fails and installer gets cut installing blade
2. Since blade only has half a pivot where the pivot hole is, it's weak and fails easy and breaks
3. Someone took the 'challenge' to remove the blade after install and cut themselves real bad
4. They realized the saw is super dangerous for a 'kids' tool
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Well...you just hope no one was hurt. I can honestly say that I'm glad I didn't buy them, but moreover that they weren't handed out as gifts. That being said, clearly it depends on what was wrong.
Hopefully, it was just a design flaw that was caught 'in time'.
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The fact that they marketed them towards kids I'm sure brought all sorts of unforeseen possibilities and issues. On top of that, there are also people out there who, instead of teaching proper etiquette and tool handling, will just give it to their kid and then blame the company when something inevitably goes wrong.
Not that I'm saying that's the case, but it's definitely one that could have to result in swift action from Leatherman.
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The fact that I have 3 of them bellies the caught just in time statement. :D
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This is alarming, lets just hope no one was hurt and LM is just being overly cautious here.
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Right. I meant that the term 'in time' might be a rather broad heading. Then add various perspectives - and, as mentioned, dingle berries who toss the tool to their kids with zero guidelines...mix it all up and that there's one o' them there toxic milkshakes.
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3. Someone took the 'challenge' to remove the blade after install and cut themselves real bad
This is my bet.
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My guess is the locking mechanism for the blade and saw are faulty and with enough pressure can fold on the user. Purely a guess though.
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author=captain spaulding link=topic=54670.msg956344#msg956344 date=1412038014]
My guess is the locking mechanism for the blade and saw are faulty and with enough pressure can fold on the user. Purely a guess though.
I was thinking this also.
to easy to disengage maybe
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Has anyone found out what the recall was for?
It would appear to be global - so it must be something pretty major.
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I'm glad I got mine when I did!
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Now I wish i ordered one to play with. Who knows how long the wait will be till they re-release.
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Now I wish i ordered one to play with. Who knows how long the wait will be till they re-release.
Wouldn't it be something if they didn't re-release it....
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Has anyone found out what the recall was for?
It would appear to be global - so it must be something pretty major.
I called LM yesterday - just because I can't help myself. I was told that they're behind in production - because the response was so overwhelming. Without reading too much into it, she did sound nervous. I did not mention that I'd heard of a recall. At any rate, she was talking 'at LEAST a couple of months'. About all I can say is, 'Hmmmmmmm....'. My knee-jerk reaction is - whether a user was hurt or not - that they're freaking out a bit, on some level or another. I mean - that...withdrawal of availability was quick. I believe I had checked maybe Thursday last and by Friday - whoosh - gone.
I had just told the parents about it too - to make sure it was something that they'd be OK with for their two boys. Twenty minutes later I'm emailing them about the recall. I get no response - ::) - like it's my fault. So, even if they come out again, I may be the one rethinking the purchase. For reasons other than the recall.
Anyway, I was vicariously excited for the two boys. I remember getting that pocket knife at about 9 y.o. or so and it was a big deal. I couldn't even imagine getting something like the Leap. Oh, well....
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Now I wish i ordered one to play with. Who knows how long the wait will be till they re-release.
Wouldn't it be something if they didn't re-release it....
Highly collectible.
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:think:
That is a bit odd.
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has anyone been able to confirm with Leatherman that there really is a recall? :think:
Kukamunga, it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I would like to hear about this straight from Leatherman, rather than somebody at Cabela's who may or may not have correct information.
it very well could be a simple matter of a higher demand for the tool than they anticipated and not enough production. keep in mind that the Skeletool was especially hard to find when it was first released (especially the CX version) because of overwhelming demand...
I have a couple contacts at LM... I'll see if I can find any additional info.
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It doesnt make sense for it to be a supply problem. It was gone from all stores and sites on the same day. To me that means they recalled all of them and mighty fast.
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If there was a recall, wouldn't they have to make this public so that those that slipped the net and got into the hands of young users should be returned too? Surely they can't just recall the ones that some poor soul hasn't already bought
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Just noticed this on EDCF
http://edcforums.com/threads/the-leatherman-leap-the-multitool-for-kids.121699/#post-2059373
"SMKW had put them out on the shelves and LM has recalled them for a cut hazard, even without the blade, so may be a while before rerelease"
It would be nice if someone could verify that, but it's consistent with the situation. My money is still on the wood saw for more dangerous than a knife. I still have scars on my hands from being 10 and being bit with the SAK saw blade.
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If there was a recall, wouldn't they have to make this public so that those that slipped the net and got into the hands of young users should be returned too? Surely they can't just recall the ones that some poor soul hasn't already bought
Depends and thats in the realm of the lawyer types. If you openly admit a problem, then you are liable. If you take back all store stock for whatever reason then maybe you arent?
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There should be an official recall if that is the case.
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If there was a recall, wouldn't they have to make this public so that those that slipped the net and got into the hands of young users should be returned too? Surely they can't just recall the ones that some poor soul hasn't already bought
Depends and thats in the realm of the lawyer types. If you openly admit a problem, then you are liable. If you take back all store stock for whatever reason then maybe you arent?
Hmmm ... sounds iffy to me. I think the laws are different over here though.
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It doesnt make sense for it to be a supply problem. It was gone from all stores and sites on the same day. To me that means they recalled all of them and mighty fast.
good point, Syph... I forgot about that part. :-\
My money is still on the wood saw for more dangerous than a knife. I still have scars on my hands from being 10 and being bit with the SAK saw blade.
that's where my money is as well. I actually have two Leaps at my house right now -- my parents bought them with the intent of giving them to their grandkids (my sons) for Christmas this year, but I asked to have some time to take a look at them so that I could remove the saw blade. A saw can do far more damage to hands/fingers than a knife blade IMO.
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There's certainly something fishy going on. Their silence on the matter is suspect, coupled with the speed they took them off the market.
My guess is there's either a quality issue related to safety, like say plastic handles not taking the beating or plastic (?) lock tabs failing, or maybe some parents were vehement against pointy scissors, wood saw, blade being offered to children.
Maybe they just wanted to create a value pack with the Leap and the Funny Watch in short notice? :D
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Well it will be interesting to see what the revision is. Saw and blade not pre-installed? Maybe not 'kid' marketed? More warnings?
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Kukamunga, it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I would like to hear about this straight from Leatherman, rather than somebody at Cabela's who may or may not have correct information.
Yeah, I have no problem with that, Breezy. I'd much prefer that there was NOT a recall, for a number of reasons. All I know is what the Cabela's person told me on the phone. She said recall, plain & simple. I asked if she had any more info - about why, whether she knew of any kind of re-release plans. No; just recalled - end of story. Then, LM's version when I called them. It's possible the LM person somehow didn't have the info Cabela's had. Not likely, but possible...
Was quite looking forward to getting two of these for the little monkeyz. That - and I'm not looking for LM to have some nightmare legal scenario [or kids getting hurt]. I want them to stay permanent in the multi tool firmament, if you will.
So, I'm looking forward to some straightforward info sometime soon, give or take.
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I agree. I am also curious to see what changes will be made if any. I hope they don't just take them off the market as a bad idea. With the iffy blade exchanger system, saw, and scissors, I am sure they could have made it a whole lot more kid friendly.
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So, I'm looking forward to some straightforward info sometime soon
Yup :tu: C'mon LM .... what happened?
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Mine came in Yesterday. As soon as I read that they had withdrawn it I went searching...
Found it instantly here in the UK (asadventure) I couldn't afford all three :facepalm: but I wanted the green one, my son wanted the red one....needless to say the red one arrived yesterday. I also got paid yesterday so went back to grab the green one and there is nothing, no explanation, no apology nothing!!! Nor can I find it anywhere now
The recall certainly was global and very swift.
It must be something very very serious.
I'm beginning to wonder all sorts. It seems leatherman is determined to keep this under wraps!!
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Kukamunga, it's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I would like to hear about this straight from Leatherman, rather than somebody at Cabela's who may or may not have correct information.
Yeah, I have no problem with that, Breezy. I'd much prefer that there was NOT a recall, for a number of reasons. All I know is what the Cabela's person told me on the phone. She said recall, plain & simple. I asked if she had any more info - about why, whether she knew of any kind of re-release plans. No; just recalled - end of story. Then, LM's version when I called them. It's possible the LM person somehow didn't have the info Cabela's had. Not likely, but possible...
Was quite looking forward to getting two of these for the little monkeyz. That - and I'm not looking for LM to have some nightmare legal scenario [or kids getting hurt]. I want them to stay permanent in the multi tool firmament, if you will.
So, I'm looking forward to some straightforward info sometime soon, give or take.
I agree with you, Kukamunga -- I certainly don't want a legal headache for LM, or kids getting hurt, like you said. :salute:
I heard back from my contact at LM, and all they were able to tell me is that "We haven’t issued anything official, but we will soon."
Looks like LM is being very careful with this... I hope there's good news coming for those who have already purchased a Leap or two.
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If they make a visible revision, that means I am in for another 3. ;)
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If they make a visible revision, that means I am in for another 3. ;)
Ha Ha :rofl:
Man, you've got it bad!! :pok: :rofl:
However, I'm seriously kicking myself now for not grabbing the green one. :ahhh
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:multi: :whistle: :D
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Touché :salute:
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I bought one of these for my 6 year old for Christmas, I think it will be fine with supervision and teaching. I am a firm believer in teaching kids about dangerous things, show them to respect them. I believe it shows them you are paying attention, and removes the taboo.
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I bought one of these for my 6 year old for Christmas, I think it will be fine with supervision and teaching. I am a firm believer in teaching kids about dangerous things, show them to respect them. I believe it shows them you are paying attention, and removes the taboo.
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6! :facepalm:
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I bought one of these for my 6 year old for Christmas, I think it will be fine with supervision and teaching. I am a firm believer in teaching kids about dangerous things, show them to respect them. I believe it shows them you are paying attention, and removes the taboo.
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6! :facepalm:
well I got my first pocketknife from my grandfather when I was 7 and my first set of woodworking tools when I was 4. Was playing with grandfathers saws and hammers before that.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=41838.0
Never lost a digit. ;)
If you teach your kids proper tool use safety and not to be afraid of them, I think it's a lot better than the current "scare of anything sharp".
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I was VERY young when I got my first pen knife, but it was a tiny one. I was 5 and my dad taught me to whittle. It was one of the very small 2 bladed buck type knives. Cant remember anymore if it was official or a knock off.
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I got my first SAK when I was 6...
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Famous Last Words.
Giving a young child a mini champ is one thing, MT's are entirely different in my book. - but that's my own personal view, I'm not looking for an argument.
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I bought one of these for my 6 year old for Christmas, I think it will be fine with supervision and teaching. I am a firm believer in teaching kids about dangerous things, show them to respect them. I believe it shows them you are paying attention, and removes the taboo.
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6! :facepalm:
well I got my first pocketknife from my grandfather when I was 7 and my first set of woodworking tools when I was 4. Was playing with grandfathers saws and hammers before that.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=41838.0
Never lost a digit. ;)
If you teach your kids proper tool use safety and not to be afraid of them, I think it's a lot better than the current "scare of anything sharp".
I wholeheartedly agree, Nikola. :cheers:
My boys are currently 7 and 5. They have both loved looking at my collection and "helping" me clean up my tools ever since they were old enough to understand what was going on. :) I let them open the tools and have a look at them, but they knew that the knife blade was off-limits.
I gave each of them a Style PS for their 5th birthday, and they were thrilled to get their very own Leatherman. I explained to them that these were tools, not toys, and they needed to use them as such. They have each managed to pinch themselves a couple times, but for the most part have shown responsible behavior and done a good job taking care of their tools.
My older son wanted to try using a knife this past summer while we were camping. I agreed, and told him that because he had been responsible and made good choices with his bladeless MT, I would let him try using a knife (under supervision) on our camping trips. He did a great job, and was very proud of the fact that he sharpened his own stick for roasting marshmallows. :)
I'm considering giving him his first knife for his 8th birthday in March. (either a smaller LM or an SAK, I haven't decided yet.) will he get cut? I'm sure of it! My Vic Tinker bit me plenty of times when I first got it. ;) Will he lose a digit or end up with some other more serious injury? I doubt it, because he has learned to use these tools responsibly, and he knows full well that if he doesn't use them responsibly, they will be taken away from him.
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I mean I still occasionally cut myself now. Accidents happen, but proper took education and etiquette can help cut down on the number of accidents, regardless of age.
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Famous Last Words.
Giving a young child a mini champ is one thing, MT's are entirely different in my book. - but that's my own personal view, I'm not looking for an argument.
Not an argument, just a discussion. After all this is what this place is for, to discuss tools and their uses, be it by us or by the ones around us, in this case children. :D
It's every parents personal choice what and he/she decides to let his kid use, but that usually ends up with them doing so behind your back. ;) This way at least you can supervise them and teach them how to use the tools properly.
And just for the record, I've hurt myself much more often when I was a kid while using a hammer than I did while using a saw, chisel or knife, and I used all of them a lot. My grandfather was a carpenter and my favorite playground was his workshop. Heck when I was 3 I had to have my tonsils removed. My mother had to promise me she'd buy me a bag of nails if I behaved while I was in the hospital. I used all of them when I got home. (http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/sparky_415/hammerc.gif)
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I got a set of woodworking tools when I was about 8 I'd guess, but didn't get a penknife till a few years after ... so they trusted me with chisels and a saw before they would with a small folder :D
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I bought one of these for my 6 year old for Christmas, I think it will be fine with supervision and teaching. I am a firm believer in teaching kids about dangerous things, show them to respect them. I believe it shows them you are paying attention, and removes the taboo.
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6! :facepalm:
Yeppers. That's about when I got my first whittler. It was my knife, but my dad kept it in a toolbox until it was time to use it, and he watched me use it. Treating like a tool and not a toy. That's my plan as well. He's had that Crkt wooden knife for a year now, and has done well. Not trying to cause an argument either, just expressing my views on youngun' raisin' lol to each his own.
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Well, since this has turned into a discussion about how old a kid has to be, to handle sharp things, I thought I'd chip in...
If memory serves me correctly, I was about 6 or 7 years, when I got my first "wood-working" set. It was in a nicely made wooden-box, with cutouts for the different tools, among those a small wood-block with a piece of sanding paper and a little saw. And I still remember very well, when either the little saw or one of my dads saws, slipped on the wood and ended up chewing on either my hand or my thumb. It hurt like hell every single time and most of the time, that little accident would keep me out of the workshop for the rest of day.
But I learned from it.
I also remember alot of the times a hammer slipped up on me and banged down on my finger or knuckle instead; it gave that sort of pain that would make you hold your hand while jumping up and down, in a feeble attempt of soothing the pain.
But I learned from it.
I even remember one of the first, if not the first pocketknife I got - I even still have it. Guess I was 8 or 9 at the time. Didn't take me long to cut myself with it.
But I learned from it.
The important thing here: I've learned. I don't use a saw as much more, as I did as a kid, but when I do, I know that it's a very good idea to keep your thumbs away from the path of the saw. When I use a hammer, I'd rather use a few more hits, than smash through and risk hitting myself. When using a knife... Well, evidently I still haven't learnt that, but I have learned to exercise caution and respect, when handling a knife that is "unknown" to me.
I completely agree with Breezy12 and alot of others here; just telling your kid that knives and saws are sharp, most likely won't help them learn it. If you tell a teenager not to ride a bike without his/her hands on the handle, what are most of them gonna do? Exactly the opposite of what you told them.
Let them use the tools - under supervision, of course - and be there, if/when there's an accident. Worst case scenario: The kid will get a scar for a few years and be scared of ever using anything remotely sharp. Best case scenario: The kid will quickly learn to exercise the proper respect and caution with all sharp items the come across.
And lastly... My apologies for such a long post. :whistle:
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Seems I'm on my own...yet again -lol
I hate knives, don't know why?? I've never cut myself bad, yet I hate them with a passion, especially the fish filleting style :ahhh.
I think it must be the sense of imminent danger. At home if I have to move around the kitchen I always, but always hold the blade near the tip, incase someone should pass me by and I don't hear them, I'm always scared that'll I'll turn round and hurt someone...seriously guys, I'm being straight up here.
When I visit friends and they're cooking and talking at the same time, often waving their arms about as they express their feelings and emotions - my blood runs cold!!
My son recently had his 7th birthday party at his karate club, the instructor brought out a full sized samurai sword to cut the cake!! The kids loved it.....I on the other hand was just rigid to the floor!
Obviously something happened in my past at some point for me to have such a reaction, although I don't recall anything.
yet, my SAKs and MT's don't bother me at all...except the wave/charge/surge blades.
I try at all costs to do everything with either the serrated bread knife or the small paring knife but never the long pointed ones....ever.
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...because he has learned to use these tools responsibly, and he knows full well that if he doesn't use them responsibly, they will be taken away from him.
Well, can I be first in line to get whichever tools he can't handle? :D I'm assuming you're using the one strike rule, right? >:D
I was nine [? maybe 8] when I believe I received my first SAK. However, it could have actually been my paternal grandfather's knife. Hard to say, memory being what it is...and since I was nine years old - uh, well over nine years ago! In keeping with that theme, I therefore have no recollection as to whether I cut myself, but I probably did. No major injuries and I didn't take any other kids out either. It was weird what a special feeling that was - getting the first knife, but it was. The whole idea that you could handle it in performance responsibly, but the possession of it - the ownership of it was a big deal.
Eh, so it sounds like an unoffical recall as of right now, then. That's too bad. I must say I'm morbidly [no pun] curious. Still hoping to get two for the kiddie nephews.
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I was shooting rifles by this age, started shooting pistols when I was 8. I think a six year old child who doesn't have what I have been told we now call "life challenges" can be taught to use a knife with supervision. Particularly if you first teach basic first aid and give them a box of bandaids with it.
Geekdad, go for it.
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My first pocketknife was an Imperial Barlow when I was seven or eight. I was allowed to use it when supervised. Even before that, I played around with my father's tools and knives in his workshop. As for shooting, the first rifle that was "mine" joined my father's collection when we still lived on Long Island, so I was six or seven. I managed to knock myself out with a scoped Mini-14 when I was five or so. That'll teach ya about proper eye relief........ :ahhh My father was laughing too hard to help me up after that occurred. >:(
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knifeless fuses are great first leathermen for kids anyway
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True...but they are now discontinued and getting harder each day to get.
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True...but they are now discontinued and getting harder each day to get.
Yep, the capt'n will vouch for that :facepalm:
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knifeless fuses are great first leathermen for kids anyway
True...but they are now discontinued and getting harder each day to get.
Yep, the capt'n will vouch for that :facepalm:
Well they were in production for a longer period of time than the Leap was. :whistle:
>:D
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knifeless fuses are great first leathermen for kids anyway
True...but they are now discontinued and getting harder each day to get.
Yep, the capt'n will vouch for that :facepalm:
Well they were in production for a longer period of time than the Leap was. :whistle:
>:D
Yup! :P Looks like me calling it the LM Faceplant was quite apt :D :D :D
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True...but they are now discontinued and getting harder each day to get.
Yep, the capt'n will vouch for that :facepalm:
Yup. :(
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I really wanted to get one for my cousin! It would have been great if they came out with a larger range of colors also! My son on the other hand... :-\ definitely not a great idea having pointed scissors and a saw blade. But what can you do! :oops:
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Well, I'm told by LM that it is indeed a recall. They said that they caught something that was a safety issue and did the recall themselves. Told that it should be out again within the month. Perhaps that's wishful thinking or the real timeline. You decide... :-X
My bet is that it's actually the scissors, but some of you may be right that it's the tang on the blade. ?Who knows? The Shadow...the Magic 8-Ball? I dunno. :P
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Let's hope it's something simple!
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All I know is if they make a big change all those who got theirs already will likely be collector items.
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Well, I'm told by LM that it is indeed a recall. They said that they caught something that was a safety issue and did the recall themselves. Told that it should be out again within the month. Perhaps that's wishful thinking or the real timeline. You decide... :-X
My bet is that it's actually the scissors, but some of you may be right that it's the tang on the blade. ?Who knows? The Shadow...the Magic 8-Ball? I dunno. :P
If this is true then surely one of those with a Leap could look it over and figure out what the issue is right? :pok:
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Well, I'm told by LM that it is indeed a recall. They said that they caught something that was a safety issue and did the recall themselves. Told that it should be out again within the month. Perhaps that's wishful thinking or the real timeline. You decide... :-X
My bet is that it's actually the scissors, but some of you may be right that it's the tang on the blade. ?Who knows? The Shadow...the Magic 8-Ball? I dunno. :P
If this is true then surely one of those with a Leap could look it over and figure out what the issue is right? :pok:
I didn't see any outright design flaws; in fact, I really like the way the locks were implemented so that fingers won't be in the way of the closing blade. My money is still on the saw being the problem.
but then again, I only have the blue and green versions, so maybe the problem is with the red version... :D
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A couple quotes from edcforums via google.
SMKW had put them out on the shelves and LM has recalled them for a cut hazard, even without the blade
So I called Leather man to ask what's up? The lady I spoke with just said they were "unavailable". She was kinda rude in that she didn't act like she wanted to talk to me. I asked why they were unavailable and she just repeated that they "were unavailable".
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I believe that last quote...something similar happened to me the last time I phoned them.
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Well, I'm told by LM that it is indeed a recall. They said that they caught something that was a safety issue and did the recall themselves. Told that it should be out again within the month. Perhaps that's wishful thinking or the real timeline. You decide... :-X
My bet is that it's actually the scissors, but some of you may be right that it's the tang on the blade. ?Who knows? The Shadow...the Magic 8-Ball? I dunno. :P
If this is true then surely one of those with a Leap could look it over and figure out what the issue is right? :pok:
I didn't see any outright design flaws; in fact, I really like the way the locks were implemented so that fingers won't be in the way of the closing blade. My money is still on the saw being the problem.
but then again, I only have the blue and green versions, so maybe the problem is with the red version... :D
Oi!! We'll have less if you don't mind :twak: :twak:
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All I know is if they make a big change all those who got theirs already will likely be collector items.
Wait...shhhhh! Is that Chako I hear smiling in the background?? Or would it be sighing [yet another LM; floorboards creaking, etc, etc.]. :-\
:cheers:
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:whistle:
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It is pretty interesting to see what they will change. :think:
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:popcorn: You're right. Should there be a raffle or something? Numbers coming out of Vegas - ? Just asking...
I just asked the Magic 8-Ball if the Leap will make it out before the end of the month:
"Don't Count on It"
We'll see.
:P
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I heard it will be around the end of October, to the middle of November! ???
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Saw the Leap in store, looks a bit like a Juice and Wingman combined.
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Saw the Leap in store, looks a bit like a Juice and Wingman combined.
In store...in Canada?? I thought LM had some major failing/problem in selling to Canada period, no?
Anyway, did you buy it eh? :D
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Eh, is this the same guy who checked all the Leap knife tangs??
Well?
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The leap is in this year's Xmas smokey mountain knifeworks catalog. 48.99
It looks to be the same.
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Eh, is this the same guy who checked all the Leap knife tangs??
Well?
What do you believe is wrong with this guy? :think:
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This Leap seems a nice tool, I like that the tools lock open.
What is the size of the pliers head?
Danilo
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Eh, is this the same guy who checked all the Leap knife tangs??
Well?
What do you believe is wrong with this guy? :think:
Not a thing, just a half-baked attempt at levity. That situation may not apply anyway, as it seems to be a design flaw, not a QC problem. Having said that, I have no idea if that's correct or not. It may be a bit of both - ?
Just a pic of someone al LM checking things over...no problems from my end. :angel:
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Leap is removed from LM site... :whistle: Gone.
But it is still on http://leap.leatherman.com/
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Warning! Bad pun
So,i guess Leatherman should have looked before it leaped?
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And they still have not said anything? IMO that is bad form.
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Warning! Bad pun
So,i guess Leatherman should have looked before it leaped?
:rofl: Im running on low sleep today, so that one was pretty good. :tu:
Im not that interested in the tool, but im very interested to see what happens. :shrug:
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Leap is removed from LM site... :whistle: Gone.
But it is still on http://leap.leatherman.com/
Well it appears that those who 'leaped' and snatched this tool early on, scored themselves a nice little collector's item.
Regardless of the fact I am still of belief this particular "tool" is a disaster from both aesthetic and functional point of view, a rare item is a rare item...so good on you Chako and the rest of the early adopters gang. :salute:
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Yeah, no mention of the Leap on Leatherman's web site. That is odd. Are they planning on returning with a Leap model...or did the Legal Dept nix it in its infancy? :think:
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I emailed leatherman as my daughter wants one of these, the reply i got was
"Thank you for contacting Leatherman Tool Group, Inc. The Leap will be available Mid-November!"
so hopefully will have one for her for Christmas :D
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I emailed leatherman as my daughter wants one of these, the reply i got was
"Thank you for contacting Leatherman Tool Group, Inc. The Leap will be available Mid-November!"
so hopefully will have one for her for Christmas :D
Welcome to the forum eamo. :cheers: Interesting. How long ago was that?
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Leap is removed from LM site... :whistle: Gone.
But it is still on http://leap.leatherman.com/
Hey, it's the Leap. It'll be droping by soon...
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Thank you Zoidberg.
I emailed them yesterday and got a reply quite quickly.
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Thank you Zoidberg.
I emailed them yesterday and got a reply quite quickly.
Good to know, thanks mate. :tu:
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FYI. that's what I got from LM when I called them late last week. Mid-November. My nephew's birthday is this Saturday. I don't think a pic and a promise will probably do it.
So, X-Mas then... :P Hurrah!
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FYI. that's what I got from LM when I called them late last week. Mid-November. My nephew's birthday is this Saturday. I don't think a pic and a promise will probably do it.
So, X-Mas then... :P Hurrah!
:cheers:
FYI, Leatherman is starting a new discussion thread on Twitter from today (4th Nov), every Tuesday until mid December. Today's topic is around current and future products, what better time to ask them re Leap 8)
http://www.leatherman.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-leatherman-Site/en_US/Blog-ShowPost/?p=614
Visit them later today on Twitter and ask them directly ;)
https://twitter.com/leathermanusa
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FYI, Leatherman is starting a new discussion thread on Twitter from today (4th Nov), every Tuesday until mid December. Today's topic is around current and future products, what better time to ask them re Leap 8)
http://www.leatherman.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-leatherman-Site/en_US/Blog-ShowPost/?p=614
Visit them later today on Twitter and ask them directly ;)
https://twitter.com/leathermanusa
Well, I would have, Babola. However, having had emergency eye surgery two months ago, I had one o' them there follow up visits with the doktor [at the live tweeting time]. That and I just don't tweet.
Will call them, though...as I found out today that the nephew's b-day party is actually the 15th and not the 8th. Still probably not going to be a gift-in-hand kind of moment regardless.
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I just received an email from the online supplier where I bought my Leap, asking me to return for a full refund due to leathermans recall of the product. I'm guessing that this tool is legally mine and they can't enforce such demands.
Reason for the recall is given to issues with the 25yr warranty.
I'm not returning mine. It's still sealed in its carton.
Definitely a collectors piece now! :D
Wish I'd bought the other 2 colours as well - Doh!!
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Yep keep it for sure. I wish I would have ordered when I had the chance.
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Reason for the recall is given to issues with the 25yr warranty.
:rofl: :rofl: It didn't last 25 WEEKS!!! It would be nice to get some real facts as to what made them finally realise it was unfit for sale
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I just hope it wasn't my write up.
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I just hope it wasn't my write up.
Why not? Is there a better thing than a company actually listening to its clients?
I'm not saying a company should do everything its clients want, but listen to them and evaluate I think they should.
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This site seen like has in stock, but could be an error
http://swfa.com/Leatherman-Leap-Multi-Tool-P72113.aspx
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This site seen like has in stock, but could be an error
http://swfa.com/Leatherman-Leap-Multi-Tool-P72113.aspx
Typical it lists only the Red one.
That's the colour I already have :facepalm:
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dunno, looks like they have all three colours ?
http://swfa.com/Leap-C10742.aspx
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dunno, looks like they have all three colours ?
http://swfa.com/Leap-C10742.aspx
Nope :(
Unfortunately at this time SWFA is sold out of the LEAP tools
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Like I said, could be an error.
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Nice write up. Man I wish I'd have bought one at Cabela's when I saw it.
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I wonder if on the new one they'll replace that saw with a file or something... :think:
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Thanks Ashley.
Yes, waiting for the new changes...whatever they may be, is a bit of a nail biter for me.
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I dont think it has been cancelled, someone asked leatherman on their facebook page the other day when it will be released, and they said next week it will be shipped here in australia
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I'm not doing much on here currently, but I did call LM today. Thinking fantasy-land-like that they'd tell me the Leap is available -- and did I want them to ship it next day [nephew's 8th b-day] for free. :dd: :rofl:
So, uh - no. They're now talking end of month/early December. 'Hoping' is the word she used.
At any rate, 'hoping' I can get it to him for X-Mas. He and another nephew [well - I have until April for him]. I'm assuming [rightly, I think] that they'll have it done by April, right? :D
:cheers:
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That sounds like a major change rather then some small revision.
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Thats a bummer, but it makes me all the more curious about what's getting changed.... :think:
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thats a big time bummer, christmas is looking less and less likely ! :(
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it's not like the Leap was out for very long before they were recalled, so I wonder what could have turned up in that time that couldn't have been found out before they were released?
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Well the only major thing on this tool vs the others is that installable blade system. Someone probably cut themselves installing or trying to uninstall it.
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I agree. I quickly found out that the blade protector was very easy to disengage from the blade.
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You know what might be a smarter system? Have the blade installed normally, but have some retaining pin or something that holds it in so that it cant be opened until the pin is removed. There are a few ways I can think of implementing that so that its kid proof but an adult could remove it.
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You know what might be a smarter system? Have the blade installed normally, but have some retaining pin or something that holds it in so that it cant be opened until the pin is removed. There are a few ways I can think of implementing that so that its kid proof but an adult could remove it.
:tu:
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Good idea, syph. It could be as simple as a screw that goes through the blade, bolting it to the metal underframe. Use a torx head screw, something like that. Simple, and pretty darn kid-proof.
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Good idea, syph. It could be as simple as a screw that goes through the blade, bolting it to the metal underframe. Use a torx head screw, something like that. Simple, and pretty darn kid-proof.
Exactly, I was thinking of a set screw, and just include a simple L shaped key to remove.
(http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00lMftQEmIaKob/Set-Screw.jpg)
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The "problem" of a disabled blade might be, that it still has a blade, so still a no go in school, camp etc...
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I'm baffled as to why leatherman even built the Leap in the first place. They celebrated their 30th anniversary not long ago, 30yrs at the top is pretty good, why they thought they needed to launch this is a mystery. There are far more technically challenging ideas and concepts they could have concentrated on without venturing into the kiddie market.
From the likes of the Genus and the MUT to the leap I think that's ass backwards personally.
It's the type of half baked idea you'd expect from China or Taiwan
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I'm baffled as to why leatherman even built the Leap in the first place. They celebrated their 30th anniversary not long ago, 30yrs at the top is pretty good, why they thought they needed to launch this is a mystery. There are far more technically challenging ideas and concepts they could have concentrated on without venturing into the kiddie market.
From the likes of the Genus and the MUT to the leap I think that's ass backwards personally.
It's the type of half baked idea you'd expect from China or Taiwan
While I do not typically agree with the Leap or many of Leathermans decisions in the last year or so I do see why they would market a tool towards kids. First off every kid wants a Leatherman like daddy, but they normally do not get them at a younger age due to fear of the kids not handling them safely or properly. The Leap would address this. On top of that it is getting the kids familiar with the Leatherman name and tools so when they grow up they will want to buy Leatherman products. Almost like the cigarette companies do to children with advertising. Get to the kids young and brain wash them into buying your product. Lastly I would hope they genuinely care about kids and want them to have a tool to be able to call their own and learn to use a tool and blade safely.
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I'm baffled as to why leatherman even built the Leap in the first place. They celebrated their 30th anniversary not long ago, 30yrs at the top is pretty good, why they thought they needed to launch this is a mystery. There are far more technically challenging ideas and concepts they could have concentrated on without venturing into the kiddie market.
From the likes of the Genus and the MUT to the leap I think that's ass backwards personally.
It's the type of half baked idea you'd expect from China or Taiwan
While I do not typically agree with the Leap or many of Leathermans decisions in the last year or so I do see why they would market a tool towards kids. First off every kid wants a Leatherman like daddy, but they normally do not get them at a younger age due to fear of the kids not handling them safely or properly. The Leap would address this. On top of that it is getting the kids familiar with the Leatherman name and tools so when they grow up they will want to buy Leatherman products. Almost like the cigarette companies do to children with advertising. Get to the kids young and brain wash them into buying your product. Lastly I would hope they genuinely care about kids and want them to have a tool to be able to call their own and learn to use a tool and blade safely.
Capt'n I'm agreeing with you, it seems to be the logical assumption for the leap.
But why make them look so toy like, with the coloured plastic handles, if leatherman are serious with the kiddie concept then would it not be better to make it not look like a toy. If kids are to learn anything about knives its imperritive they know they are certainly not toys. I'm not turning this into an argument I'm merely typing as it comes into my head. Both Victorinox and Wenger have rolled out the junior SAKs, but they kept the standard SAK like appearance but rounded off the blade, whereas leatherman have done the exact opposite made it look like a toy but kept the pointed blade.
As a first knife I know which one I'd choose to give to a child.
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I'm baffled as to why leatherman even built the Leap in the first place. They celebrated their 30th anniversary not long ago, 30yrs at the top is pretty good, why they thought they needed to launch this is a mystery. There are far more technically challenging ideas and concepts they could have concentrated on without venturing into the kiddie market.
From the likes of the Genus and the MUT to the leap I think that's ass backwards personally.
It's the type of half baked idea you'd expect from China or Taiwan
While I do not typically agree with the Leap or many of Leathermans decisions in the last year or so I do see why they would market a tool towards kids. First off every kid wants a Leatherman like daddy, but they normally do not get them at a younger age due to fear of the kids not handling them safely or properly. The Leap would address this. On top of that it is getting the kids familiar with the Leatherman name and tools so when they grow up they will want to buy Leatherman products. Almost like the cigarette companies do to children with advertising. Get to the kids young and brain wash them into buying your product. Lastly I would hope they genuinely care about kids and want them to have a tool to be able to call their own and learn to use a tool and blade safely.
Capt'n I'm agreeing with you, it seems to be the logical assumption for the leap.
But why make them look so toy like, with the coloured plastic handles, if leatherman are serious with the kiddie concept then would it not be better to make it not look like a toy. If kids are to learn anything about knives its imperritive they know they are certainly not toys. I'm not turning this into an argument I'm merely typing as it comes into my head. Both Victorinox and Wenger have rolled out the junior SAKs, but they kept the standard SAK like appearance but rounded off the blade, whereas leatherman have done the exact opposite made it look like a toy but kept the pointed blade.
As a first knife I know which one I'd choose to give to a child.
I know what you mean and completely agree with you. :tu:
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I would love to snag one for my kid, but in many years we may having something better :)
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I'm with Tosh, they made it look like a toy entirely. My son is already very interested in my leatherman tools, and wants one. He knows what they are, and that they can cut him badly if he treats them like a toy. His first will most likely be a juice or something down the line, and I will round the blade off myself. I want him to respect his tool, and keep it away from his little sister, who would take one look at the leap and think it WAS a toy.
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I'm baffled as to why leatherman even built the Leap in the first place. They celebrated their 30th anniversary not long ago, 30yrs at the top is pretty good, why they thought they needed to launch this is a mystery. There are far more technically challenging ideas and concepts they could have concentrated on without venturing into the kiddie market.
From the likes of the Genus and the MUT to the leap I think that's ass backwards personally.
It's the type of half baked idea you'd expect from China or Taiwan
While I do not typically agree with the Leap or many of Leathermans decisions in the last year or so I do see why they would market a tool towards kids. First off every kid wants a Leatherman like daddy, but they normally do not get them at a younger age due to fear of the kids not handling them safely or properly. The Leap would address this. On top of that it is getting the kids familiar with the Leatherman name and tools so when they grow up they will want to buy Leatherman products. Almost like the cigarette companies do to children with advertising. Get to the kids young and brain wash them into buying your product. Lastly I would hope they genuinely care about kids and want them to have a tool to be able to call their own and learn to use a tool and blade safely.
Capt'n I'm agreeing with you, it seems to be the logical assumption for the leap.
But why make them look so toy like, with the coloured plastic handles, if leatherman are serious with the kiddie concept then would it not be better to make it not look like a toy. If kids are to learn anything about knives its imperritive they know they are certainly not toys. I'm not turning this into an argument I'm merely typing as it comes into my head. Both Victorinox and Wenger have rolled out the junior SAKs, but they kept the standard SAK like appearance but rounded off the blade, whereas leatherman have done the exact opposite made it look like a toy but kept the pointed blade.
As a first knife I know which one I'd choose to give to a child.
I know what you mean and completely agree with you. :tu:
well, as someone who is looking to buy one of these for my daughter, one of the attractions is the smaller size for her hands - regarding the look of it as a toy, well, she knows it is a knife/saw/sharp implement and that it can bite her accordingly if she is not careful. And the colours are part of the attraction for her, as opposed to a tool such as the squirt which is what i was originally going to get her until we discovered the leap (and this forum :) )
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Welcome to MTO!
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Welcome to MTO!
thank you :)
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https://www.leatherman.com/SafetyRecall.html
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:facepalm: :rofl:
:twak: I'm sure they can do better than that.
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I refer to my previous question. How did they only notice this in the month it was on sale, when they had what looked like pretty complete prototypes at the SHOT show which could have been tested all year.
Hazard:
The lock mechanism on the optional knife blade can inadvertently release the blade, posing a laceration hazard.
Remedy
Consumers should not install the optional knife blade or should immediately stop using the multi-tool with the installed optional knife. Consumers should contact Leatherman for a free replacement multi-tool, including shipping.
So it's a problem that occurs once the knife is installed in the tool.
Can someone that's got a Leap have a look at the lock and see how it all goes together? Is there something obviously wrong?
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Nothing obvious...which would explain how they got out into the wilds before the recall.
I suspect someone somewhere reported they were able to remove the blade once it was installed.
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The blade lock can release the blade. Does that mean let the blade close into the tool, or does the blade fall out off the tool?
Sounds like they probably mean the blade closes and the lock mech fails, but thats pretty sad that wasnt caught in testing.
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so Guys, anyone have any info on when/whether we'll see any anytime soon ? the middle of november has been and gone :)
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Late Boy Scout's boys talk about Leap.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6Im0gABPc&list=UUZjvj5MN3BMxPFfdEKIrvxQ
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Statement from Leatherman regarding the recent Recall on this tool:
The issue with the Leap was only with the optional knife blade, not the full tool. We have an internal standard about how many pounds of pressure it should take before the knife blade (or any implement) slips past the liner lock. As we began production of the tool, we found that the Leap was not quite meeting this internal standard despite earlier testing. Obviously this would always be unacceptable, but because it’s a tool intended for younger users, it was especially so and we immediately enacted a voluntary recall with the CPSC. Luckily, not many had even reached retailer shelves by this point, and very few made it to consumers. Our engineers figured out the problem quickly, got it fixed so it was well above our standard, and got their solution approved by the CPSC. Again, the issue was only with the optional knife blade, so if you were just using the tool without the blade installed, they are completely safe.
The only affected products were sold during late August/early September. All affected product was pulled from shelves in September, so consumers should not be concerned that they might be buying the old version. Right now the new versions are just being stocked to shelves at places like Cabela’s, REI, and others. If folks are concerned about telling the difference, the old version has four bumps on the ridge of the knife blade, and the new version has three.
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
Oh really. :think: Good thing I put away my Rebar with the long file for safe keeping. :tu: I did not know the production was so low on those. Why did they snip those again?
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
Oh really. :think: Good thing I put away my Rebar with the long file for safe keeping. :tu: I did not know the production was so low on those. Why did they snip those again?
Not sure, they never said why. :think:
I have both versions and the difference is quite noticeable. I tried to figure out on my own why would have they done this but couldn't come to any logical explanation.
The original long file fits just nice and there are no obstructions (at least not the ones I could find), the 'new' file seems quite short for the handle cavity available.
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
Oh really. :think: Good thing I put away my Rebar with the long file for safe keeping. :tu: I did not know the production was so low on those. Why did they snip those again?
Not sure, they never said why. :think:
I have both versions and the difference is quite noticeable. I tried to figure out on my own why would have they done this but couldn't come to any logical explanation.
The original long file fits just nice and there are no obstructions (at least not the ones I could find), the 'new' file seems quite short for the handle cavity available.
I have both and agree that I cannot figure out why they would do this. :think:
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
Oh really. :think: Good thing I put away my Rebar with the long file for safe keeping. :tu: I did not know the production was so low on those. Why did they snip those again?
Not sure, they never said why. :think:
I have both versions and the difference is quite noticeable. I tried to figure out on my own why would have they done this but couldn't come to any logical explanation.
The original long file fits just nice and there are no obstructions (at least not the ones I could find), the 'new' file seems quite short for the handle cavity available.
I have both and agree that I cannot figure out why they would do this. :think:
There was an official response in an older thread here.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,44172.msg716763.html#msg716763
Of course, Duncan. It's kind of a long explanation, so bear with me. The original Rebar design (and the image you see on our website) had the angled file tip. Yours is a newer version.
When our machines pick up a punched out steel file piece, it's perfectly flat. The machine holds the file on both ends and then scores the file lines. After that, the end tip is cut off, so that the file scores go all the way to the end.
We modified the Rebar just slightly after our first couple of runs with the tool because we were finding that our machines weren't cutting off that tip properly every time, and we were having to scrap a percentage of our files. After speaking with users, it became clear that the angled tip of the file wasn't an important feature, so we decided to continue what has been successful for us in the past (for example, on our Super Tool and PST tools) and just cut the file off square.
We don't do this on some of our tools, such as our Wave, because the file tip needs to have a nail nick in there and is already kind of a strange shape.
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Now I remember reading that thread. :tu:
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Thanks for the info, Syph.
I like my Rebar with the original longer file even more now :)
That "upgraded" stubby file just doesn't look right, IMO :whistle:
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Thanks for the info, Syph.
I like my Rebar with the original longer file even more now :)
That "upgraded" stubby file just doesn't look right, IMO :whistle:
Agreed.
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well, it's back up on the leatherman site -
http://www.leatherman.com/358.html#start=23
and *seems* to be available on knifecenter.com and cabelas . . . . whoo hooo
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Seems they rounded up the scissors too.
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Anybody planning on getting one and has an older one to compare to?
I'd be curious to see what improvements they made or whether they just tweaked the lock face.
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
It's possibly a bad things that my one like that is a bit of a beater and mod fodder then!
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Interesting. It also means the uber collectors will be able to tell if it was pre-recall. Which, I' guessing, will make those some of the most rare leatherman tools, now.
Yeah, you're possibly right.
Although from the collector's point of view in recent years for me personally it will be hard to beat the original first production series Rebar from 2012 with an XL file ;)
There's reportedly only few thousands of those ever made before it received the 'snip'.
It's possibly a bad things that my one like that is a bit of a beater and mod fodder then!
I've hacked up quite a few and still haven't seen a short one. :facepalm:
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Oh how did I miss this little bit of news? Looks like I am now on the hunt for short files on Rebars. :facepalm:
I quickly checked my 3, and they are all of the long file version. I have a Stainless, a BO, and a Texas Toolcrafter Gold.
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Oh how did I miss this little bit of news? Looks like I am now on the hunt for short files on Rebars. :facepalm:
I quickly checked my 3, and they are all of the long file version. I have a Stainless, a BO, and a Texas Toolcrafter Gold.
I'm guessing you're in the market for a few more leaps?
-AdmSlc
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Looks that way.
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Just some quick info on the old (recalled) vs new Leaps. The old version has four bumps on the ridge of the knife blade, and the new version has three.
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Just some quick info on the old (recalled) vs new Leaps. The old version has four bumps on the ridge of the knife blade, and the new version has three.
Where have I heard that? ;)
Statement from Leatherman regarding the recent Recall on this tool:
The issue with the Leap was only with the optional knife blade, not the full tool. We have an internal standard about how many pounds of pressure it should take before the knife blade (or any implement) slips past the liner lock. As we began production of the tool, we found that the Leap was not quite meeting this internal standard despite earlier testing. Obviously this would always be unacceptable, but because it’s a tool intended for younger users, it was especially so and we immediately enacted a voluntary recall with the CPSC. Luckily, not many had even reached retailer shelves by this point, and very few made it to consumers. Our engineers figured out the problem quickly, got it fixed so it was well above our standard, and got their solution approved by the CPSC. Again, the issue was only with the optional knife blade, so if you were just using the tool without the blade installed, they are completely safe.
The only affected products were sold during late August/early September. All affected product was pulled from shelves in September, so consumers should not be concerned that they might be buying the old version. Right now the new versions are just being stocked to shelves at places like Cabela’s, REI, and others. If folks are concerned about telling the difference, the old version has four bumps on the ridge of the knife blade, and the new version has three.
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I guess your memory is better than mine. :facepalm:
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I guess your memory is better than mine. :facepalm:
I'm glad things get reposted as often I've missed them the first time around.
As for my rude post above - you can slap me now... ;)
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I guess your memory is better than mine. :facepalm:
I'm glad things get reposted as often I've missed them the first time around.
As for my rude post above - you can slap me now... ;)
Nah its ok. Ill let you slide this time. ;)
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I guess your memory is better than mine. :facepalm:
I'm glad things get reposted as often I've missed them the first time around.
As for my rude post above - you can slap me now... ;)
Nah its ok. Ill let you slide this time. ;)
Use it or lose it. No trading in multiple slaps for a twak later. :D
Sent from the land of the long white cloud.
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According to Leatherman the Leap is for sale now - any of the online retailers i've checked don't seem to have it in immediate stock - ie, shipping 4 to 7 days etc. Has anyone actually seen one for sale since they re-released it ?
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ok, ordered one :) doubt we'll get it before Christmas but thats ok.
Anyone any ideas on a suitable sheath for it ?
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ok, ordered one :) doubt we'll get it before Christmas but thats ok.
Anyone any ideas on a suitable sheath for it ?
The Juice one should work. They are about the same size.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6087small_zpsf6db4eb8.jpg)
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interesting, thank you for that :) I'll run it by the boss and see if she likes it . . .
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How bout a brown paper bag with two eye holes cut in it?
Sorry,that was a knee jerk reaction :facepalm:
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According to Leatherman the Leap is for sale now - any of the online retailers i've checked don't seem to have it in immediate stock - ie, shipping 4 to 7 days etc. Has anyone actually seen one for sale since they re-released it ?
I know they have them in stock at the retail store in Portland, Oregon.
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ok, her leap is on the way :)
still looking for a sheath, the best so far is what enki suggested, a juice sheath - size looks ok, but i'm wondering how secure it is ? It looks like a slide on clip that secures the sheath to a belt rather then a belt loop ? Anyone who has the juice sheath any opinion on how secure it would be on a belt ?
thanks guys :)
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I had a juice sheath. I didn't like the belt clip, as opposed to a belt loop, but that was my opinion. Maybe others found the juice sheath perfectly acceptable.
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thanks Lynn, thats my thinking, especially for a child, it could easily get knocked off her belt without her noticing. Now, it would also be secured with a lanyard but even so ...
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$38 http://www.cutleryshoppe.com/leathermanleapforyoungerusers330closed12toolsredglassfillednylonhandles.aspx
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I've held several of them in my hands and fiddled with all of the parts, they're really pretty cool. And to be honest, if you want a pocket tool with a little color, they aren't like overly-"kiddie". They still feel perfectly solid.
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I've held several of them in my hands and fiddled with all of the parts, they're really pretty cool. And to be honest, if you want a pocket tool with a little color, they aren't like overly-"kiddie". They still feel perfectly solid.
What is your opinion on the Wingman/Sidekick?
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Ummmm, ...why?
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Ummmm, ...why?
For a benchmark.
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I don't own either one personally yet, so I can't make a fair real-world comparison of them. I only know from handling them out of inventory (random auditing/spot checks before shipping them out).
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I don't own either one personally yet, so I can't make a fair real-world comparison of them. I only know from handling them out of inventory (random auditing/spot checks before shipping them out).
I asked for an opinion, not comparison.
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I don't own either one personally yet, so I can't make a fair real-world comparison of them. I only know from handling them out of inventory (random auditing/spot checks before shipping them out).
I asked for an opinion, not comparison.
Angry lobster?
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I asked for an opinion, not comparison.
Again... I don't really have enough hands-on experience with them to form much of an opinion yet.
Why are you so interested in my opinion of the two lower-end tools of the product line?
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I asked for an opinion, not comparison.
Again... I don't really have enough hands-on experience with them to form much of an opinion yet.
Why are you so interested in my opinion of the two lower-end tools of the product line?
Because unlike myself you work for Leatherman and have handled the tools, Jand3rson86 2: zoidberg 0.
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I don't own either one personally yet, so I can't make a fair real-world comparison of them. I only know from handling them out of inventory (random auditing/spot checks before shipping them out).
I asked for an opinion, not comparison.
Angry lobster?
Not at all. I didn't mean to come across harsh.
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Just because he works for Leatherman does not mean he is rolling in MTs all day long. :think:
My opinion on the matter. if you are needing something, the Wingman and Sidekick are better multi-tools compared to the Leap. The Leap feels rather plasticky and is indeed small. My largish paws had a difficult time unlocking the tools via the front locking tabs. No such issues with the Wingman and Sidekick.
Now if you want something to supplant the Juice lineup, then the Leap could be that multi-tool...but that depends on how much you hate the Juice.
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My largish paws had a difficult time unlocking the tools via the front locking tabs.
:pok: "the first Leatherman multi-tool created specifically for younger users."
:D :D :D
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:salute: :)
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But Chako is still young at HEART.
Why are you crushing his dreams, dks? WHY?!?! :rofl:
I'm still waiting for the holiday insanity to pass, and then maybe I'll look into one in green.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OO9PPGsZsk
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My opinion on the matter. if you are needing something, the Wingman and Sidekick are better multi-tools compared to the Leap. The Leap feels rather plasticky and is indeed small. My largish paws had a difficult time unlocking the tools via the front locking tabs. No such issues with the Wingman and Sidekick.
Now if you want something to supplant the Juice lineup, then the Leap could be that multi-tool...but that depends on how much you hate the Juice.
I agree with you on most of this, Chako, especially when you consider the price points of the Sidekick/Wingman vs. Leap. :salute:
I wouldn't necessarily say I had a difficult time unlocking the tools on the Leap, but the operation was certainly more complicated than the traditional liner lock on the Wingman/Sidekick. or maybe it's because I've used a liner lock so much in the past that the familiarity comes into play? :think:
I'll still end up getting a couple for my sons. as dks pointed out, they are designed for kids, and I can definitely see how they'd be more useful in smaller hands.
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The Leap fits kid's hand a lot better than the Wingman and Sidekick. For adults...not so much. :D
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I can't stand the wingman and sidekick, they are inferior tools and they aren't cheap enough for me to consider them a better option in any way. The Rebar is only around $50 pretty much anywhere around me, and for just ten bucks cheaper I think the sidekick is a ripoff.
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I can't stand the wingman and sidekick, they are inferior tools and they aren't cheap enough for me to consider them a better option in any way. The Rebar is only around $50 pretty much anywhere around me, and for just ten bucks cheaper I think the sidekick is a ripoff.
I respect your opinion and somewhat agree but a Sidekick can be had for $18 right now. At that price I think its a good tool. I personally would not pay much more than that for one though.
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I can't stand the wingman and sidekick, they are inferior tools and they aren't cheap enough for me to consider them a better option in any way. The Rebar is only around $50 pretty much anywhere around me, and for just ten bucks cheaper I think the sidekick is a ripoff.
I respect your opinion and somewhat agree but a Sidekick can be had for $18 right now. At that price I think its a good tool. I personally would not pay much more than that for one though.
Oh yea, for $18 I would buy one, because that's about how much I think it's worth. I was shopping in sportsmans the other day and saw a Rebar for $54 and a Sidekick right below it for $45. Terrible pricing!
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When the rebar was released at MEC in canada it was $40 CAD which was the best value tool ove ever seen. I wish i would have bought more than one.
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finally, my daughters leap has arrived :) i'd post pictures but i'd imagine it looks like any other leap, so i'll wait til after she gets it and maybe some action shots instead.
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I guess totally off topic, or maybe I didn't read everything (ok, I didn't), but I do prefer the Juice sheath because it's with a clip and not a loop :D I find it a lot easier to remove from your belt together with the sheath when there's a clip. When I change in the evening, for example... anyway :X
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I guess totally off topic, or maybe I didn't read everything (ok, I didn't), but I do prefer the Juice sheath because it's with a clip and not a loop :D I find it a lot easier to remove from your belt together with the sheath when there's a clip. When I change in the evening, for example... anyway :X
no, totally on topic, i was asking about sheaths for the leap - the juice sheath was suggested and I went to buy one off ebay and i wasn't allowed as i was apparently trying to circumvent knife laws ??? ??? ::) anyway it was very late and i couldn't be arsed arguing with my computer so I don't remember the exact message that came up - but so far, the juice sheath seems the best for the leap. must go looking again :)
my main concern is how secure the belt clip would be on a young child though.
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More info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQDrneWp_FI
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An update of sorts. I just got in the newer updated Leaps. After much careful examination, I can't tell any visible differences other than the newer knife blades only feature 3 bumps as opposed to the first gen knife blades that feature 4 bumps. Nothing sticks out from the Leap prior and after the recall.
So here is a group shot with the pre recall Leaps in the for-grown, and the post recall Leaps in the background.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7608small_zpsb94b9d7a.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7608small_zpsb94b9d7a.jpg.html)
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Really can't see myself ever wanting a Leap :td:
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Really can't see myself ever wanting a Leap :td:
Come on, you gotta have faith...
:whistle:
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Really can't see myself ever wanting a Leap :td:
Come on, you gotta have faith...
:whistle:
No!
Just no!
We're not have a George Michael singalong :twak:
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You don't know what you are missing till you get one or two. :pok: :pok:
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You don't know what you are missing till you get one or two. :pok: :pok:
Singalongs?
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I don't need to contract syphilis to know I don't want it.
Leatherman Faceplant ... same story!
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Where is your sense of adventure?
I must concur, I wouldn't want the plague either. :whistle:
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.... and you both do not need to get a wife/girlfriend/partner to realise you do not want one... right...? :D
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.... and you both do not need to get a wife/girlfriend/partner to realise you do not want one... right...? :D
Correct!! :tu: (for me anyway)
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Not married, but not sure why you think I do not have a girlfriend? :ahhh
Mind you, I wouldn't want more than the one. :salute:
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Not married, but not sure why you think I do not have a girlfriend? :ahhh
Mind you, I wouldn't want more than the one. :salute:
Congratulations !!! :D
I assumed with all the hobbies you did not have time for one... and you did mention I think a while back that you got friend-zoned by the ladies...
Anyway, well done :tu:
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I'll not ask which drawer you keep her in, Dan :rofl:
:P :angel:
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.... and you both do not need to get a wife/girlfriend/partner to realise you do not want one... right...? :D
Correct!! :tu: (for me anyway)
:kirky: on both :facepalm:
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Might need a patch kit with all the sharpies laying around. :rofl:
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Excellent write up and pictures. :tu:
The picture of the Leap in your hand really shows the size and I do not know why, but I was not expecting it to be that small either.
The pointy scissors and saw make me think. If they are really going for a kid friendly "safe" tool you would think they would have rounded the scissors and had a metal/wood file instead of the saw. Leaving the option of adding a saw or blade.
It just seems not well thought out. I cannot see why it would not be well thought out since they probably spend quite a bit of money and time developing tools, but I would love to hear a explanation on why they decided on these features. :think:
With the pointy scissors and saw I would rather just buy my kid a proper multitool.
I do like the idea of an MT for kids but i don't tink they will have allot of use from it till they reach the age of 10.
I bought my first MT at the age 15.
I think that leatherman has marketed this way: Dad's that have a leahterman finds that his son should also have one. So dad buys one, they earn some money and the tool is never used.
But they don't care, they have earned some money.
When i was a kid from the age of 5 to 10 i lost everything, house keys, toys, car keys and my jacket and shoes :facepalm:
So i don't think i would be trusted with a 50 dollar tool
I agree, scissors are basicly knifes that move besides each other.
And the saw, the saws are super sharp and potentialy dangerous.
If your'e in a fight and you would cut someone with a MT saw over his face he will have a nasty cut.
I think we need tactical saw's for the marines. :D
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well, dunno about under the age of 10, but i got one for my daughter and she's 11 :)
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An update of sorts. I just got in the newer updated Leaps. After much careful examination, I can't tell any visible differences other than the newer knife blades only feature 3 bumps as opposed to the first gen knife blades that feature 4 bumps. Nothing sticks out from the Leap prior and after the recall.
So here is a group shot with the pre recall Leaps in the for-grown, and the post recall Leaps in the background.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_7608small_zpsb94b9d7a.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_7608small_zpsb94b9d7a.jpg.html)
nice :drool:
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Thanks. I was a bit disappointed in their not changing much on the Leap from the before recall to the after recall version.
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Chako, what would you have had them change ?
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I was hoping they would improve their locking mechanism. On the Leap, locking the tool is a bit of a chore, and I found it wasn't as positive as I would like it to be. That stems from the plastic handle overlay above the locking mechanism. I dislike when style plays a more important factor than utility in a design of a tool.
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I received a nice package today from the Cutlery Shoppe. Inside the package...the 3 Leatherman Leaps that I had ordered.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6037small_zps2a279e64.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6037small_zps2a279e64.jpg.html)
Each package contained a clear plastic bag that contained the Leap and the blade exchanger, and a nice paper user's guide.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6038small_zpse33d97a8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6038small_zpse33d97a8.jpg.html)
My first impression...man this multi-tool is small. Not sure why I thought it would be larger with the target audience being children. I sure was taken slightly back looking at this diminutive multi-tool. The blade comes in a protective plastic sheath in the same colour as the multi-tool ordered.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6039small_zps8e71a08e.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6039small_zps8e71a08e.jpg.html)
The tool is roughly 8 cm long. Yeah, this is a small tool.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6040small_zpsbcd9c4cc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6040small_zpsbcd9c4cc.jpg.html)
Think Juice size and you wouldn't be far off. Here it is in my hand.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6041small_zpsc0d90e0d.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6041small_zpsc0d90e0d.jpg.html)
My second impression...I actually like the plastic feel of the handles. Once I started exploring the tool further, I was a bit taken aback at the scissors. I was surprised and a bit dismayed that the scissors are sharp and pointy. I figured this being geared towards children, they would have designed a more kid friendly rounded pair of scissors. Why go all PC with the blade when you are arming your little ones with something equally as dangerous.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6042small_zps9fd27eca.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6042small_zps9fd27eca.jpg.html)
The pliers are nice and what I would expect on a Leatherman.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6043small_zpsc7e187c2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6043small_zpsc7e187c2.jpg.html)
Except for the dangerous scissors design, everything looked well designed, right down to the child sized nail nicks that my larger fingernails had some trouble negotiating. For its intended audience, I feel this is ok. For adults who may intend to EDC this, you have two options, get used to it or get ride of it.
The colours are nice and bright. Downright cheerful some might say.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6044small_zps7c2ffb43.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6044small_zps7c2ffb43.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6046small_zps807698f5.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6046small_zps807698f5.jpg.html)
The locking mechanism is a bit fiddly at that. I tend to not read the manual and try to figure things out on my own. I locked the scissors and couldn't figure out the locking mechanis until a few minutes had ticked by and I noticed the indents on the handles. Doh! Those aren't just for decoration. :facepalm: :D
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6048small_zps7f8d08ba.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6048small_zps7f8d08ba.jpg.html)
I did find them to be somewhat stiff. Like the nail nicks, they aren't exactly designed for larger fingers.
One side of the Leap is mostly covered. There is an empty slot for the addition of the blade.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6050small_zpsde9ea1f8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6050small_zpsde9ea1f8.jpg.html)
At one of the the Leap, you have a nice large lanyard hole. Likewise, you also have a few tools that fold away. I was surprised at the tweezers much like the Micra. It is nice to see Leatherman adding some of their older design cues into the much newer Leap.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6051small_zps183481c3.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6051small_zps183481c3.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6052small_zps467e3a38.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6052small_zps467e3a38.jpg.html)
The blade comes packaged in a plastic safety carrier. On the underside, are these instructions.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6056small_zps1ca117d2.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6056small_zps1ca117d2.jpg.html)
On the top side, you can see that the blade is safely nestled away in its carrier.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo002/IMG_6058small_zps637d8629.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo002/IMG_6058small_zps637d8629.jpg.html)
Conclusion:
So some of you may be wondering what I make of the Leap. Well I have mentioned in several threads that I have always seen the Leap like a Gerber. Having them in my hand hasn't dissuaded me from that viewpoint. It feels and looks like something Gerber would have cooked up. Knowing that it is a Leatherman, only incites me to excitement. If I like anything, it is always the odd and bizzar multi-tool design. I am happy to state that the Leap fits that bill on several points.
I know this won't be for everyone, but the handle material feels good to me. It isn't stainless steel, but that would be cold and heavy for the intended user. Likewise, I like the many nice little touches that Leatherman has included. The one glaring thing that I find shocking...seeing that this must have passed through a group of people, is the pointy scissors. It doesn't make sense to me that they didn't round off the scissors. I mean, as a school teacher, I am familiar with the multitude of rounded tip safety scissors. That Leatherman didn't round the tips is a bit shocking to me...and could be a deal breaker for the safety conscious parents out there.
If nothing else, they sure are bright and cheerful.
Hey!, I know this topic was from several years ago but you seem to be just the guy for a question i have.
I was wondering about the Leap, not for my kid, but as an everyday carry. I like small multitools to take everywhere on a huge keychain. I was thinking about the Leatherman Squirt but i think the Juice S2 or the Leap might be sturdier yet small enough.
The Juice s2 seems quite amazing and also beautiful, the Leap seems to have the same tools but with better pliers and the adition of tweezers (i work with wood and the tweezers are great for the occasional splinter).
I used to own a Gerbert Dime but i bent it and am looking for a better, stronger tool.
Would you say the quality of the Leap gets to the standard of the Juice for an adult man. Do you have any knowledge on the squirt compared to any of these?.
I am sorry to bother you on such am old forum but your post is quite good and you seem to have experience on both tools.
Best regards
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Remember, also, Leap has locking blades whereas the Juice does not. This may be a deal-breaker if you're not allowed to carry locking blades in your country/county, or if you need blades to lock for safety reasons.
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Wolcome to :MTO: Sebastian :salute:
The Leap could be a bit to big for keychain carry :think:
Also as mentioned above it would be good to get some other info about where you are at and if locking blades are illegal where you are or if you need locking blades for what you are going to be using it for :think: :cheers:
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I've seen people keychain carry a juice. The S2 isn't too bad.
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I've seen people keychain carry a juice. The S2 isn't too bad.
Guess carry weight is all in the eye of the beholder :D Some say the Surge is to big to carry along with others in the same tool size and I carry it, the Supertool series and the Swisstool ::) So I guess a Leap or Juice on the keys isn't that far fetched when I think about it :D
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I've seen people keychain carry a juice. The S2 isn't too bad.
Guess carry weight is all in the eye of the beholder :D Some say the Surge is to big to carry along with others in the same tool size and I carry it, the Supertool series and the Swisstool ::) So I guess a Leap or Juice on the keys isn't that far fetched when I think about it :D
I guess it's relative too. The bigger you are the bigger your pockets. Lol
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Very true :rofl:
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Now that i have twins (16 month old, that take all my part time but not the story), i begin to think : why not offer them a leap. So they will do like their father and play with multitools :D :climber:
I do a quick search and see they are discontinued almost everywhere, or sell at more than 80€ when available (msrp 60€ here). >:(
Do you think they will come back , or should i buy 2 leap and keep them preciously for their 10 years anniversary?
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Congrats on the twins :cheers:. Its seems the LEEP was abandoned :dunno:. If you can get a LEEP for a price your are willing to pay I'd say go for it. Its a neat tool and fun colors. Thats my opinion anyway. :salute:
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Congrats on the twins :cheers:. Its seems the LEEP was abandoned :dunno:. If you can get a LEEP for a price your are willing to pay I'd say go for it. Its a neat tool and fun colors. Thats my opinion anyway. :salute:
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