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Outdoor Section => The Outdoor and Survival Forum => Topic started by: kirk13 on November 10, 2014, 01:52:44 PM
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After much prevarication,it's about time I get this blog started :whistle:
For those of you who don't know,HFT is a field sport for sub12ft/lb air rifles,where we shot a course of thirty knock down targets,set at ranges of between 8 and 45 yards.
So,here's the story so far...
For the last few years I've been competing in both club competitions and the Southern Hunters South East England champs in the 22 class,using a BSA Ultra fitted with a Tench regulator. Over the last 18 months or so my results have pretty much nosedived. After finding out that the regulator had gone putt,I pretty much lost faith in the Ultra,and decided to go back to an old fashioned springer,which I did...
Unfortunately,the HW97 I bought,and christened Lyudmila proved to be something of a dead end :facepalm: The first problem I discovered over the summer season was that my eyes,or my right eye specifically has gotten much worse,so regardless of what gun or scope I was using,my brain Wasnt processing information from my eye,so I just simply couldn't range targets! On top of that,I've just had to accept that at 5'6, I'm just too small to use a HW97 :cry:
As a result,I've returned to the 22 Ultra,acquired a pump to charge it,and gotten new glasses!
So here we go,with the start of the 14/15 winter season...
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Sorry to hear Lyudmilla didn't work out, the 97 is a fantastic rifle. Though, as you know, I had the same kind of issue and traded mine in as well. :-\ What happened to the Ultra's regulator and did you get it sorted?
Best of luck with the winter season, I'm looking forward to the updates. :cheers:
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:think: Maybe if you called the gun Sharron or Tracy it would have shot better...
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45 yards out of an air rifle! I'm impressed! Certainly my old BSA SS couldn't of shot out that far accurately :tu:
Sorry to hear about your shooting woes though, as there not cheap bits of kit :(
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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Thanks for the interest guys :tu:
The winter season started for me last Sunday...
Ford Ranges Winter Open League
9/11/14
BSA Ultra .22/JSR/Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52
Score 41x60(best scoring 22. Best result in open class 59x60!)
Ford is one of my favourite venues to go HFT shooting. It's an old FAA/RAF airbase,or at least it's the remains thereof. Normally half the course is set on what would have been the concrete dispersal area,the other in woodland. This time round,being a club shoot,the whole course was set on the concrete,or rather in amongst the airsoft combat area.
It made for an interesting and fun course,15 targets,going round the course twice. The Ford guys have a nasty nack of how to hide targets,including one hiden behind a bunker and guarded by wire mesh! Sneaky Kirk took it as a kneeler (and a knock down first time round,and a safe plate the second)while many far better shots than me doughnutted.
Unfortunately I dropped 5 points over the last three targets due to running out of air,but it was a lovely day out. Unusually for Ford,there was no wind,the sky was blue and the sun was out. Oh and the craic was good!
I reckon there was a potential 48x60 available to me,so 41 was a bit poor,but far better than most of my results over the summer. I've ordered a half mildot scope,to hopefully give me better choices of aim spots. The other major positive is that my new glasses seem to be a major. I'd realised I'd lost my ability to range targets completely. Turns out my stigmatisms had gotten worse. Not saying I Havnt had all sorts of gun related issues over the last 18 months,but if your eyes are gone,no other equipment changes will truly help!
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Monday 10/11/14
HPRPC Night shoot Championship rnd1
BSA Ultra .22 / JSR/Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52 / LED-Lenser L7
Score 0( I'm claiming a win!)
Second attempt at the first round of my clubs night shoots. Just like a normal HFT,except it's dark,and you use the torch straped to your scope to light your target >:D
Sadly I was the only one to show up with a gun,so I'm claiming the victory by default :D
It's an Home shot at Horsham Hawks,my other club,tomorrow. Watch this space
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Sunday 16/11/14
Horsham Hawks Home shoot
BSA Ultra .22 / JSR/Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52
Score 49x60(14th of 21, sole .22 shooter)
Well,I'm rather pleased! A personal best for Horsham,and I got one over on my shooting partner for the first time since Febuary! Despite a 'healthy dinner' of take away fries and sliced spam,and far too little sleep,I seemed to find some form.
Tony(my shooting partner) and I got there early to help with course setting(it's also a crafty way to get an idea of the range to the targets >:D),and then had a few shots on the plinking range. When you can hit a 15mm target at 25yrds to ring the bell,your not doing too bad. Start hitting the 15mm spinners at 35,it's looking good!
I dropped 2 points over the first six targets,which wasn't a bad start,and,unusually for me,was scoring well on the 35-45yrd targets. I did however find out something useful today....I need to loose my glasses for the 8-15yrd reduced size targets. If not,I can clearly see the crosshairs of the scope,but can't see Jack on the target!
Overall,I was very happy with thus mornings performance,but on count back,there was a potential 53x60 available,but setting a PB for Horsham,and just missing equalling my best external comp score(I needed a kill on the last target :rant:), it seems that going back to the Ultra was a very good decision !
Tony had an off day with 45x60,so he's back in the shed tonight fine tuning the regulator he fitted to his S200. Be interesting to see if I can beat him next time
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Sorry to hear Lyudmilla didn't work out, the 97 is a fantastic rifle. Though, as you know, I had the same kind of issue and traded mine in as well. :-\ What happened to the Ultra's regulator and did you get it sorted?
Best of luck with the winter season, I'm looking forward to the updates. :cheers:
Gareth,I think I'd let the pressure drop too far and the Tench failed. Tony stripped and rebuilt the Ultra for me,pretty much back to factory spec. I've started using a Hills Pump to charge it,rather than filling off a dive bottle,so I'm confident of what air pressure I'm using to get her into the sweet spot.
I tested four different pressure levels,so I'm confident of getting 33-34 full power shots
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This is now the third or fourth attempt at an update,and hopefully I won't suffer another IT issue trying to write it up!
To be covered in this series of updates:
Rounds1-3 of the Southern Hunters championship
Round 1 of the Horsham Hawks Winter League
Round 2 of the HPRPC Nightshoots
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Round 1 of the Southern Hunters was held at Buxted on 23rd November. I missed this one as Tony,my shooting partner was off visiting family. By all accounts I didn't miss much,as there was torrential rain,and Buxted lived up to its reputation of turning into a miserable mud bath.
The following week saw round 1 of Horshams Winter Series...
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Sunday 30/11/14
Horsham Hawks Winter Series Round 1
BSA Ultra .22/ JRR-Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52
Score 37x60
This was a tough one,and to be honest,I wasn't displeased with appears to be a low score.
This series is being shot on a Hunter course as opposed to a HFT course. The big differences being that in HFT,there's a direct path from the peg to the target,and there's specific rules as to how far away the targets can be,and to what size kills can be at what distance. With a Hunter course you may end up having a 15mm kill placed as far away as 60yrds( 45 being the max in HFT), and you end up having to go 'off peg' to find a clean shot.
I struggled,to be honest,as there were a number of targets set in such a way as be near impossible to get with a .22. The positive was the number of full distance shots I was able to take successfully in the woods. Thankfully my new glasses are doing the business! The flip side,is that closer shots are becoming more difficult :facepalm:
When we reached the field,the wheels fell off for me. There were 6 shots at over 45yrds,and I'd no aim spots,or ranging info past 45. There was also a bitch of a target where a wooden pallet was used to obscure all of the target but the kill...to add to that the target was set another 10yrds behind the pallet,just where my ballistics drop off a cliff! There were twelve targets in the field and I reckon I dropped 17 points :facepalm:
The last target in the field proved...amusing.
15mm kill at 50 odd yrds,part obscured by long grass...nightmare. I'd joked that I might have been better off taking it as standing unsupported,but took it from prone,and was luck to plate it for a one. There was some piss taking,so,for fun,I took another shot,this time standing. I bloody knocked it over. Shot in a million!
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Regardless of score, still sounds like a lot of fun.
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Regardless of score, still sounds like a lot of fun.
Cheers,it is a fun sport. It's one of the main reasons I've not really bothered with live ammo
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sounds like another fun day mate. :tu:
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Which Ultra variant?
Oh and give varifocals a think, I am :(
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I just took a moment to read up on what HFT shooting was. This sounds like a fun activity, and I assume it's relatively affordable with air rifles.
Also... i'm posting so this thread shows up in my 'replies' feed.
Keep up the good work, and this sounds like great fun. I might have to see if we have a 'league' or whatever for it around here.
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sounds like another fun day mate. :tu:
There's been very few of them I've not enjoyed Gareth :D,couple I've been very glad to finish,but that's another story ;)
Which Ultra variant?
Oh and give varifocals a think, I am :(
Smashie,it's the old style single shot,with the cocking plunger mounted under the air tube,and a separate probe at the breach for loading. Basically a stalking gun
As to the glasses,I've a stigmatism ( not a stigmata >:D) on my right eye,which had gotten worse...I'll come back to the eye sight thing again in the catch up.
I just took a moment to read up on what HFT shooting was. This sounds like a fun activity, and I assume it's relatively affordable with air rifles.
Also... i'm posting so this thread shows up in my 'replies' feed.
Keep up the good work, and this sounds like great fun. I might have to see if we have a 'league' or whatever for it around here.
Hi Lynn,I'm glad you want to follow this thread :tu:
I know there is a HFT comunity in the States,but it's not as big as it is here in the UK. HFT is apparently the fastest growing shooting sport in the UK. Thing to remember us that any decent Airgun will either come from the UK,Germany or Korea. To give you an idea,I pain £400 second hand for my Ultra(a bit over the odds,but she had some cool go faster goodies built into her). You could buy a brand new 357/38 Marlin gallery rifle for about £300!
I'll see if I can find any links to American clubs,and I'll get back to you
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Monday 1/12/14
HPRPC Nightshhot round 2
After the fiasco of round one,this went....all wrong. We had six people show up,but had a complete light failure on the back 50 range. Comp postponed as it just wasn't safe to try move folks around in a dark building.... :whistle:
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Sunday 7/12/14
Southern Hunters Championship Round 2
Mile Oak
BSA Ultra .22/ JSR-Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52
Score 36x60
Yeah,yeah,I know,i know :facepalm: I scored less on a 'easier' HFT course than I did on the Hunter :facepalm:
The Oaks have a great course. Part in woods,part in wide open South Downs fields,with winds whipping in off the English Channel. On top of these challenges I added one of my own by ripping one of the seals on my charging pump. The Ultra will give me about 35 shots on a 150psi fill,and I'd used ten shots on the plinking range...bugger!
Fortunately one of the Oaks guys shoots an Ultra and I was able to get a fill from his dive bottle!
Usually I do quite well in them woods and fall apart in the fields,but today was an exception to that. I done good on the long shots,regardless of where(including a kill on peg 13 for the first time ever!),but got murdered on the closer small reducers,where a combination of not getting my heart rate down with not being able to get a good focus cost me easy points.
Oh,and out in the field I recorded two of my four(four!) donuts by just not getting the windage right :facepalm:
All in all the shooting was fine,I took a lot of comfort from nailing so many long shots. Tony came home on a 42, proving I'm not the only one who can do worse on an easier course ;)
I also forgot to take my pump home with me...
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Monday 8/12/14
HPRPC Nightshoot round 2(again!)
BSA SuperStar .22/ JSR-Leapers 3-9x40
AA Field 5.52/ crappy Kree LED torch
Score 19x30
Hmmmm
Ok,so we kicked off 45min late, I forgot my LED/Lenser torch and scope mount,and,having left my pump at the Oaks,I couldn't fill the Ultra. The 'Star is my favourite air rifle,but it's not altogether up to the job as a competition gun. The guys from the UK Meet know it well,it's easy to cock and fun to shoot,but it's not(often) up to taking on AA S400s....
So with some else illuminating the targets,off we went. Field Air is the only disipline that does outdoor comps in the winter,and regardless of score,there's a very satisfying feeling of walking back into the clubhouse,wrapped up in thermals and camos,gunbag slung on your shoulder,and watching the rest of the club slowly inch away from you as if your a utter nutter >:D
Not that it matters,but there was four of us,I was fourth,though in fairness,I was shooting the only springer,and the only 22 :whistle:
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Sunday 14/12/14
Southern Hunters Round 3
Ford Ranges
BSA Ultra .22/ 3-9x40 JSR/Leapers
AA Field 5.52
Score 41x60(second in class)
Well,it was a relief to find my pump waiting for me at Ford...some kind soul from the Oaks brought it along. I'd taken the 'Star with me just in case :whistle: After a frantic seal change,and a near heart attack inducing charge,we were ready for the off. Normally I'd have a plink,but I just couldn't face having to use the pump again :facepalm:
Unlike try previous visit to Ford,recorded earlier in the thread,the full course was used this time. Being typical Ford weather,the wind was roaring across the apron,and before long the clouds opened :facepalm:
So here's the thing...confidence....
Peg 10 was a full distance shot,with the target hidden under a truck trailer. I watched the pellet drop into the kill,but no,the target didn't go down. I called the marshal to check the target. Turns out I'd split the pellet on the edge of the kill. Ok,it was still only a 1,but I've gotten my confidence in my shooting back :woohoo:
Of course I donuted two pegs later :facepalm:
The trip through the woods was a mixed bag,but I knew I needed bout five knock downs over the last 7 pegs...I got them too!
While 41 wasn't a great score,I was talking to some of the good guys,and everybody was suffering. Guys who score in the mid fifties were struggling to the high forties,so 41 didn't feel to bad!
So that's us back up to date...aside from me getting to have a few shots with a .20 Daystate on Monday night :tu:
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Sounds like you've had all the ups and downs shooting air rifles can throw at you. :D
Never shot a .20 rifle, what was your impression of it?
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Sounds like a great sport to me mate :)
I'd certainly love to have a go one day :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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Sounds like you've had all the ups and downs shooting air rifles can throw at you. :D
Never shot a .20 rifle, what was your impression of it?
Er,yeah...
We were shooting at 50 yrds. The Ultra was putting five rounds into a target slightly bigger than a two pence piece(disappointing,it's capable of better even at that range). The .20 was a bit random. Using one aim point it produced two distinct groups,which o thought was odd,but that's more down to inconsistent pellets I'd have thought( JSB Exacts for the record).
I'd be interested to see what it's ballistics are like.
As for the Daystate? Very nice,but I'm never convinced that they're any better Air Arms or Weihrauch despite the super heavy price tags.
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Yeah, I know what you mean about Daystates. :think: The ones I've shot all have a pretty soulless trigger pull as well, so light as to be practically unreadable as to when it's going to break. Now that could be the ways the owners have set them up, or just the fact I'm not used to shooting them, but I'm not a fan. :-\
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I just took a moment to read up on what HFT shooting was. This sounds like a fun activity, and I assume it's relatively affordable with air rifles.
Also... i'm posting so this thread shows up in my 'replies' feed.
Keep up the good work, and this sounds like great fun. I might have to see if we have a 'league' or whatever for it around here.
I wish this was so, but it's not quite the case. :D Of course you could shoot with a sub £100 rifle and with open sights, but you'd not do very well. ;) I shoot with a rife that cost me £400 and a scope that cost me £60. The last competition I was at I was shooting beside two chaps who's rifles cost around £1500 each and nearly £1000 on the scopes, and by no means is this the top of the potential price range.
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Just get a Ruger 10/22. They can be had all day for 300 US Dollars.
Crazy accurate with a match barrel and a good scope. :whistle:
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I just took a moment to read up on what HFT shooting was. This sounds like a fun activity, and I assume it's relatively affordable with air rifles.
Also... i'm posting so this thread shows up in my 'replies' feed.
Keep up the good work, and this sounds like great fun. I might have to see if we have a 'league' or whatever for it around here.
I wish this was so, but it's not quite the case. :D Of course you could shoot with a sub £100 rifle and with open sights, but you'd not do very well. ;) I shoot with a rife that cost me £400 and a scope that cost me £60. The last competition I was at I was shooting beside two chaps who's rifles cost around £1500 each and nearly £1000 on the scopes, and by no means is this the top of the potential price range.
Gareth's bang on the money with this, and we Havnt mentioned the charging equipment,either pump or dive bottle. Gareth's heard my quip that you need to be a masochisist!
Equally,you can get good spring guns at a cheaper price point. They're more difficult to shoot,but much more rewarding :D
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Just get a Ruger 10/22. They can be had all day for 300 US Dollars.
Crazy accurate with a match barrel and a good scope. :whistle:
As much as that? About £150 here...
On a semi serious note, if you've a hundred meters to play with,you can safely set up an Airgun range. With 22lr you would need a major backstop,permission from the police and MOD,have issues with neighbours(22lr ain't loud but compared to an air gun they're the wrath of god)
On top of that,there's lisance issues...
On another note,tony entered the 22 Bench Rest league at his club at Galley Hills,entering his BSA Scorpion .22 against full on match rifles,tuned 10/22s and the like. Ok he didn't win..but he frightened a few people!
Likewise,I've gone head to head with a tweeked Thompson/Centre semi auto. He was firing off a bipod, I was using my range bag as a bench rest. Ok his group was tighter...just!
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I remember my father (an old .22 rimfire target shooter himself) being shocked at just how pinpoint accurate a good air rifle is. They've come a long way from shooting tin cans at 10 yards. :D
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Just get a Ruger 10/22. They can be had all day for 300 US Dollars.
Crazy accurate with a match barrel and a good scope. :whistle:
As much as that? About £150 here...
On a semi serious note, if you've a hundred meters to play with,you can safely set up an Airgun range. With 22lr you would need a major backstop,permission from the police and MOD,have issues with neighbours(22lr ain't loud but compared to an air gun they're the wrath of god)
On top of that,there's lisance issues...
On another note,tony entered the 22 Bench Rest league at his club at Galley Hills,entering his BSA Scorpion .22 against full on match rifles,tuned 10/22s and the like. Ok he didn't win..but he frightened a few people!
Likewise,I've gone head to head with a tweeked Thompson/Centre semi auto. He was firing off a bipod, I was using my range bag as a bench rest. Ok his group was tighter...just!
I remember my father (an old .22 rimfire target shooter himself) being shocked at just how pinpoint accurate a good air rifle is. They've come a long way from shooting tin cans at 10 yards. :D
You Brits and your silly games. Next thing you will be saying English football is a real sport. :whistle:
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Just get a Ruger 10/22. They can be had all day for 300 US Dollars.
Crazy accurate with a match barrel and a good scope. :whistle:
As much as that? About £150 here...
On a semi serious note, if you've a hundred meters to play with,you can safely set up an Airgun range. With 22lr you would need a major backstop,permission from the police and MOD,have issues with neighbours(22lr ain't loud but compared to an air gun they're the wrath of god)
On top of that,there's lisance issues...
On another note,tony entered the 22 Bench Rest league at his club at Galley Hills,entering his BSA Scorpion .22 against full on match rifles,tuned 10/22s and the like. Ok he didn't win..but he frightened a few people!
Likewise,I've gone head to head with a tweeked Thompson/Centre semi auto. He was firing off a bipod, I was using my range bag as a bench rest. Ok his group was tighter...just!
I remember my father (an old .22 rimfire target shooter himself) being shocked at just how pinpoint accurate a good air rifle is. They've come a long way from shooting tin cans at 10 yards. :D
You Brits and your silly games. Next thing you will be saying English football is a real sport. :whistle:
Don't be silly :twak: It's all about rugby
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English football? You mean football. It's your mob who had to add the 'American' to differentiate it from the original. And anyway, (for once) Kirky's right: Rugby's a much better game.
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English football? You mean football. It's your mob who had to add the 'American' to differentiate it from the original. And anyway, (for once) Kirky's right: Rugby's a much better game.
Ah, but the big question is: Union or League? :D
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<-- Have a look at the little flag under my avatar and take a guess. :D
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<-- Have a look at the little flag under my avatar and take a guess. :D
:D :D I gotta admit that there have been far too many times over the last few years where I've been very happy to draw on my Welsh blood and support the boys in red. :angel:
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:cheers:
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<-- Have a look at the little flag under my avatar and take a guess. :D
So that means you just support whatever England tells you to support?
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Yes, but begrudgingly and in a foreign language when they're within earshot.
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Not to keep the thread derailed and probably going to miff some folks off, but we recently discovered Rugby Sevens, and it's the first time in forever where any 'sportsball' game has entertained me.
As for the shooting. Around here, a Ruger 10/22 runs maybe $220 for wood or basic nylon stock. They can climb if you want a heavy barrel, or stainless steel, or any other minor upgrade, but still tend to run at/under $300. I love them, and one is on my short wish list.
On air rifles... I still might look into it. I could practice in my back yard, as opposed to having to go to a range to shoot a 10/22.
As my joy in shooting comes from the precision, not the bang, air rifles appeal to me.
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I do like a good game of rugby sevens. 8) Quick game play and very short matches make for some excellent rugby. I was very happy to get tickets to go and see the rugby sevens at the Commonwealth Games earlier in the year. I was less than happy watching the All Blacks beat Scotland, especially as they smurfing cheated!! :rant:
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Not to keep the thread derailed and probably going to miff some folks off, but we recently discovered Rugby Sevens, and it's the first time in forever where any 'sportsball' game has entertained me.
As for the shooting. Around here, a Ruger 10/22 runs maybe $220 for wood or basic nylon stock. They can climb if you want a heavy barrel, or stainless steel, or any other minor upgrade, but still tend to run at/under $300. I love them, and one is on my short wish list.
On air rifles... I still might look into it. I could practice in my back yard, as opposed to having to go to a range to shoot a 10/22.
As my joy in shooting comes from the precision, not the bang, air rifles appeal to me.
A couple of years ago I'd the chance to buy a Feinwerkbau 10m match rifle for about £200. I didn't think I could make use of it so I passed up on it. I now use the club ones as practise for my standing shots. If you could pick one up for about $200 you'd have a (1970) Olympic spec gun. If it misses,you'll know its you at fault!
Failing that something like an HW80 or a BSA Lightning will give you a half decent Airgun. Pyramid Airguns in Texas have a website well worth a visit
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Thanks for the info Kirk.
On a sidenote, I love my backyard. I can shoot anything I want.
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I don't suppose you're anywhere near the metro st louis area, are you? I can dream.
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Nope. I live in B.F.E., Ohio.
You are welcome to come on over to shoot some guns and blow smurf up.
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Thanks for the info Kirk.
On a sidenote, I love my backyard. I can shoot anything I want.
Cheers Nate...I'm back on campaign on Sunday morning again :ahhh
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So I was checking out the Pyramid site and there are so many options and types.
Which is a good basic accurate model for playing with in my back yard?
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Harley,I'll give you the traditional British answer to that: BSA Meteor!
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/BSA_Meteor_MK7_Air_Rifle/3206
For under $200,that's a good piece of kit. Also look at the SuperSport and the Lightning.
If your feeling rich,then
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Weihrauch_HW50S_Breakbarrel_Rifle/2152
Heavy,over engineered,but it's got the awesome Rekord trigger :drool: :dd:
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Harley,I'll give you the traditional British answer to that: BSA Meteor!
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/BSA_Meteor_MK7_Air_Rifle/3206
For under $200,that's a good piece of kit. Also look at the SuperSport and the Lightning.
If your feeling rich,then
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Weihrauch_HW50S_Breakbarrel_Rifle/2152
Heavy,over engineered,but it's got the awesome Rekord trigger :drool: :dd:
I can already tell this thread is going to cost me when I get home.
At least I already have some scopes sitting around.
The HW50 seems very nice plus it has regular sights too which I like.
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I can't disagree with Kirky (this time ;)). One thing I would say is; whatever else an air rifle might offer, do make sure it has an adjustable trigger.
I've not shot it, but this Ruger (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Ruger_Air_Hawk_Combo/1504) seems to be good value for money. The Youtube reviewer certainly seems impressed. :)
I've owned two Weihrauch rilfes, and shot quite a few more, and I don't think there's one I didn't like. 8) As you say though; not cheap. :-\
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I can't disagree with Kirky (this time ;)). One thing I would say is; whatever else an air rifle might offer, do make sure it has an adjustable trigger.
I've not shot it, but this Ruger (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Ruger_Air_Hawk_Combo/1504) seems to be good value for money. The Youtube reviewer certainly seems impressed. :)
I've owned two Weihrauch rilfes, and shot quite a few more, and I don't think there's one I didn't like. 8) As you say though; not cheap. :-\
Gareth,I'd bet money that Ruger is a BAM XS20 or XS208
With the exception of BSA ,and certain Walthers,I'd avoid any air rifle carrying the branding of a rim/centre fire or shotgun manufacture,mostly they're rebranded Chinese knock offs.
I'm not knocking the Chinese guns,just that you can buy the Chinese brand much cheaper again!
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So you are a fan of the BSA guns?
What is the difference between the grt and se supersport?
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So you are a fan of the BSA guns?
What is the difference between the grt and se supersport?
The SE is a spring gun(ie it uses a compressed spring to drive a piston), the GRT is a gas ram,and while I've not yet seen a BSA rammer,I've yet to hear anything good from a rammer of any description.
The idea of a gas ram is that it is a sealed unit of inert gas that is compressed,rather like the idea of an air spring in a suspension unit on a car or motorbike. The theory is it offers more consistant performance,smoother firing cycle,and less harsh recoiling cycle.
It was invented by a British company called Theoben,and I've fired a couple of their rammers. It ends up being a £500 that shoots like a £50 Chinese B2(apologies to Tofty if your reading this). Magic Bus,a sometimes member here got his hands on the Weihrauch version,and found it to be inferior to the equivalent spring gun.
Short answer...stick with a compressed spring!
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So you are a fan of the BSA guns?
What is the difference between the grt and se supersport?
The SE is a spring gun(ie it uses a compressed spring to drive a piston), the GRT is a gas ram,and while I've not yet seen a BSA rammer,I've yet to hear anything good from a rammer of any description.
The idea of a gas ram is that it is a sealed unit of inert gas that is compressed,rather like the idea of an air spring in a suspension unit on a car or motorbike. The theory is it offers more consistant performance,smoother firing cycle,and less harsh recoiling cycle.
It was invented by a British company called Theoben,and I've fired a couple of their rammers. It ends up being a £500 that shoots like a £50 Chinese B2(apologies to Tofty if your reading this). Magic Bus,a sometimes member here got his hands on the Weihrauch version,and found it to be inferior to the equivalent spring gun.
Short answer...stick with a compressed spring!
The CS gun is a little cheaper too so that is nice.
Moot point though since I am thinking the HW30 might be for me.
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Thanks I'm now back looking at airguns :(
I need a hobby for my jack. Since he's now got the same problem that killed his mum he can't play football, rugby or any other contact sport he loved :(
So I'm thinking that something competitive like shooting might be the answer? He's never been too good with a slingshot but seems OK with nerf guns ect, so need to look into what the law says now about 12 year olds and air rifles :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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So you are a fan of the BSA guns?
What is the difference between the grt and se supersport?
The SE is a spring gun(ie it uses a compressed spring to drive a piston), the GRT is a gas ram,and while I've not yet seen a BSA rammer,I've yet to hear anything good from a rammer of any description.
The idea of a gas ram is that it is a sealed unit of inert gas that is compressed,rather like the idea of an air spring in a suspension unit on a car or motorbike. The theory is it offers more consistant performance,smoother firing cycle,and less harsh recoiling cycle.
It was invented by a British company called Theoben,and I've fired a couple of their rammers. It ends up being a £500 that shoots like a £50 Chinese B2(apologies to Tofty if your reading this). Magic Bus,a sometimes member here got his hands on the Weihrauch version,and found it to be inferior to the equivalent spring gun.
Short answer...stick with a compressed spring!
The CS gun is a little cheaper too so that is nice.
Moot point though since I am thinking the HW30 might be for me.
I'm not sure it'll be the same in the US, but here the HW30 is sold as a Junior rife and so comes with a lighter spring as well as being a more compact unit. Could easily be it is a different spec in the US though. You might want to have a look for a HW99 for a similar rifle but in full size.
I will say I've shot the HW30 and really liked it. I'm 5' 11" and didn't mind the smaller size at all. :)
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There are so many options.
Will have a look at the HW 99 when I go to work tomorrow.
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Update:
Horsham Hawks Winter Series round 2
28x60
Full report to follow
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Thanks I'm now back looking at airguns :(
I need a hobby for my jack. Since he's now got the same problem that killed his mum he can't play football, rugby or any other contact sport he loved :(
So I'm thinking that something competitive like shooting might be the answer? He's never been too good with a slingshot but seems OK with nerf guns ect, so need to look into what the law says now about 12 year olds and air rifles :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Edit for being stoopid, I'd go for HFT and an under lever springer, Something like Gareth's Weihrauch a 57? Help me obi-Kirky!
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Thanks I'm now back looking at airguns :(
I need a hobby for my jack. Since he's now got the same problem that killed his mum he can't play football, rugby or any other contact sport he loved :(
So I'm thinking that something competitive like shooting might be the answer? He's never been too good with a slingshot but seems OK with nerf guns ect, so need to look into what the law says now about 12 year olds and air rifles :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Edit for being stoopid, I'd go for HFT and an under lever springer, Something like Gareth's Weihrauch a 57? Help me obi-Kirky!
57 makes a lot of sense...Rekord trigger,lighter and more manageable than a 77/97. Gareth's one is a gem!
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Thanks I'm now back looking at airguns :(
I need a hobby for my jack. Since he's now got the same problem that killed his mum he can't play football, rugby or any other contact sport he loved :(
So I'm thinking that something competitive like shooting might be the answer? He's never been too good with a slingshot but seems OK with nerf guns ect, so need to look into what the law says now about 12 year olds and air rifles :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Edit for being stoopid, I'd go for HFT and an under lever springer, Something like Gareth's Weihrauch a 57? Help me obi-Kirky!
57 makes a lot of sense...Rekord trigger,lighter and more manageable than a 77/97. Gareth's one is a gem!
Phew I'm glad I got that right, lighter than an AA TX200 as well
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Thanks chaps, how much do they go for typically on the second hand market if you don't mind me asking? :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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Thanks I'm now back looking at airguns :(
I need a hobby for my jack. Since he's now got the same problem that killed his mum he can't play football, rugby or any other contact sport he loved :(
So I'm thinking that something competitive like shooting might be the answer? He's never been too good with a slingshot but seems OK with nerf guns ect, so need to look into what the law says now about 12 year olds and air rifles :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Edit for being stoopid, I'd go for HFT and an under lever springer, Something like Gareth's Weihrauch a 57? Help me obi-Kirky!
57 makes a lot of sense...Rekord trigger,lighter and more manageable than a 77/97. Gareth's one is a gem!
The only thing I'd say about the 57 as a junior rife is that the reach to the trigger is quite long, so not so good if Jack has small hands. However I have lent it to a couple of our junior members in the past and they seemed OK with it, though they did need help with cocking and with the loading port.
Not sure if the laws are the same North and South of the border, but the basics here are that younger shooters should be supervised at all times and that they should not have unfettered access to the rifle, i.e. it must be kept locked away when not in use and they don't get a key. :D
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That's cool, sounds like the laws the same as when I was a teen starting out then :)
He has just turned 12 last weekend but he's 5'4'' already so his reach should be pretty good I think???
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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Thanks chaps, how much do they go for typically on the second hand market if you don't mind me asking? :)
Sent from the astropathic choir.
Well, I just found one on Gunmart for £285. Given I paid £265 for a brand new one I'd say that's not a very good deal. :facepalm:
You might also want to look at the Weihrauch HW99 and the BSA Meteor MK7 for something that's still good but a little less spendy. The Weihrauch HW30 is a great junior rifle IMO, though perhaps not great for lanky gits like you to wrap yourself around. ;)
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Airgunbuyer (no connection) have them for £249, they are not complimentary about them, but Gareth's is great
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Woah that's a bit out of my price bracket ATM sadly gentleman :( But thanks for looking :tu:
Maybe I should just start him of with a cheap Gamo Delta or SMK something? I figure I can scrape £100 at a push. I might see if there's a local club so he can try before I have to buy :D
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Woah that's a bit out of my price bracket ATM sadly gentleman :( But thanks for looking :tu:
Maybe I should just start him of with a cheap Gamo Delta or SMK something? I figure I can scrape £100 at a push. I might see if there's a local club so he can try before I have to buy :D
Sent from the astropathic choir.
1: buy him a Gamo Delta and I will do this to you :megaslap:
2: it's a really good idea to look at a local club,but if you have the choice go for one like HPRPC,where your not limited to one disipline. Also see if there's one with a Juniors program
3: Check your pm before you put your hand in your pocket
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Done a replied too :)
I thought the deltas were well thought off? They've been around since I was a kid after all???
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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I had to eat humble pie after finding a Gamo that isn't smurf...ie my PT85. I still wouldn't touch one of their long guns even if there was a sponsorship contract attached!
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Wow you really aren't a fan are you mate :D
You know far more that I do mate :) my only reviews have come from the airgun press, and we both know how much salt you need to add to their reviews :/
Sent from the astropathic choir.
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I'd better get this written up before Harley has a funny(funnier?) turn...
Tony has been making up a new stock for my Ultra :ahhh
One big listen from my flirtation with Lyudmila was how useful a hamster,or palm plate is. I'd the idea of fitting a picatinny rail to the Ultra,and mounting a modified forarm grip to use as a hamster.
But Tony volunteered to make up a new stock from plywood,using the leftovers from the stocks he's made for his S200 and Brocock.
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Just for comparison ,heres the Ultra in her old stock,with the regulator still fitted
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Ooooh, that's going to look very special. :drool:
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The new stock follows the basic outline of the Ultras original stock,which fits me very comfortably. What the new stock does is deepen the forearm dramatically,echoing the line of a hamster.
I've been doing some fine tuning of the grip,and have started treating the stock with Teak oil ahead of this coming Sundays competition
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That looks bloody fantastic mate! Let us know how you do on Sunday please :)
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That's a damn good looking stock mate and nice job Tony :cheers:
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How are we 4 pages in and only have like one picture? Shame Kirky.
What scopes you running on your air rifles? Also is the a flashlight attached above one of them scopes?
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@Smashie: Cheers mate,I know Tony will be well chuffed!
@Harley: OK,one,I don't generally take a camera on range,mostly because I'm a techno-clod. But there's also been talk about folks having used phones and cameras as rangefinders,which are illegal in Hft,and just plain ungentlemanly!
Two,scopes... My first proper long gun was the BSA SuperSport,which has a well earned reputation for killing scopes,so I've tended to go with cheaper scopes. At the time,one of the UK online suppliers had a deal on Leapers 3-9x40 mildot units. The adjustment turrets are a but iffy,but the optics arn't bad. I bought three of them for my BSAs,on the basis that if something works,stick with it!I've never really upgraded,based on the fact that I know I've outshot people using Hawk and Viper scopes. I do have a Nikko Sterling half mildot scope kicking around,but the Leapers matched with my new glasses are doing the job!
Three: Yes,it's a LED/Lenser P7, for using on nightshoots
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Do you keep the targets from your shoots?
Would love to see a target with something for scale and know what range you are shooting at. That would give me something to do when I get home and take the .22 out.
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there are some paper targets shown in this thread: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,46761.25.html
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...or you can just print a picture of Grant....
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Do you keep the targets from your shoots?
Would love to see a target with something for scale and know what range you are shooting at. That would give me something to do when I get home and take the .22 out.
Harley,I'll sort some pics out later when I can get to my netbook
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Some random HFT pics...
Me with Lyudmila at HPRPC back in the summer
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Tony taking on a 35yrd kneeler at The Oaks back in the summer. The target is the yellow dot slightly below the pylon. The target plate is about 8inchs high. The kill which you need to hit to knock the target over is 35mm,bout an inch and a quarter?(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy104/kirk130013/IMG_20140720_112858_zps9ei1spji.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/kirk130013/media/IMG_20140720_112858_zps9ei1spji.jpg.html)
Me with the Ultra,at the Hawks,15yrd stander with 25mm kill
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Hawks plinking range.Closest targets are at 8yrds,the tiny ones at the back are at 45. At 45,the kills can be as small as 30mm
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Hi Kirky - I've not been around much lately, but just read this entire thread and it sounds great fun. Keeps me wishing I was younger!
I'm really out of touch with modern air guns. And whilst I have the Stutzen I wouldn't dream of using her these days.
The gun I always wanted - and still pine for to this day, is the Weihrauch HW77K. How do they compare against their ultra modern counterparts. I'm guessing they're somewhat heavy and clumsy in comparison.
But HFT sounds like great fun - the only thing that puts me off is the seemingly mandatory dress code........ camo's :ahhh
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Hi Kirky - I've not been around much lately, but just read this entire thread and it sounds great fun. Keeps me wishing I was younger!
I'm really out of touch with modern air guns. And whilst I have the Stutzen I wouldn't dream of using her these days.
The gun I always wanted - and still pine for to this day, is the Weihrauch HW77K. How do they compare against their ultra modern counterparts. I'm guessing they're somewhat heavy and clumsy in comparison.
But HFT sounds like great fun - the only thing that puts me off is the seemingly mandatory dress code........ camo's :ahhh
Hi Tosh :waving:
Camos arn't compulsary...my wet weather gear is my cycling jacket and bottoms ;)
The HW77 is still very much alive and kicking,and the 97 is basically a 77 without iron sights. Heavy? Maybe. Clumsy,no...least not if your taller than me ;)
As to age,don't let that put you off. I reckon 60% of folks doing Hft have grandkids :pok:
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Not to hijack Kirky's thread, but I got my first chance to shoot the full HFT course at my new club. Given the strong gusting breeze we had I was very happy with bringing home a 43. I'm not sure having numb fingers and toes helped any either. :D
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What a cool thread!!!!!! :cheers:
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Not to hijack Kirky's thread, but I got my first chance to shoot the full HFT course at my new club. Given the strong gusting breeze we had I was very happy with bringing home a 43. I'm not sure having numb fingers and toes helped any either. :D
Nice one Gareth :salute:
What a cool thread!!!!!! :cheers:
:D Cheers :tu:
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I need to get my own exploits updated :facepalm:
Let me get the scores up so long
MAD,Southern Hunters-34x60
Horsham Winter League 38x60
Horsham Home Shoot 42x60
Horsham,Southern Hunters 46x60
Can't help thinking I've missed one :think:
Edit: that's it! We chickened out of Cambridge!
I'll be back after I check :whistle:
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I need to get my own exploits updated :facepalm:
Let me get the scores up so long
MAD,Southern Hunters-34x60
Horsham Winter League 38x60
Horsham Home Shoot 42x60
Horsham,Southern Hunters 46x60
Can't help thinking I've missed one :think:
Edit: that's it! We chickened out of Cambridge!
I'll be back after I check :whistle:
Got late notice of a night shoot at Ham last night. Second over all on 25x30. Gutted,went into last to targets tied for the lead,and donuted the last target,Martin knocked them both down.
Still,not too bad for a stubby .22 :D
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Not to bad at all mate. :D
Just found out that I've been shooting with Grant Thomson for the last couple of weeks, seems he's a bit of a name up here. He's certainly a lot better than me. :D
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
Update:
Seen the offical results...50!
The target was pulled,so :woohoo:
If I'm not wrong,that's my first GOLD!
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
Update:
Seen the offical results...50!
The target was pulled,so :woohoo:
If I'm not wrong,that's my first GOLD!
Congrats Kirks!
This is the only time I have ever said this in a good way.
:kirky:
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
Update:
Seen the offical results...50!
The target was pulled,so :woohoo:
If I'm not wrong,that's my first GOLD!
Congrats Kirks!
This is the only time I have ever said this in a good way.
:kirky:
Cheers Harley,thank you :salute:
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Congrats Kirk! That is some good shooting.
Nate
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Thank you Nate :tu: I'm rather pleased with it myself! It's been five years of trying to reach that gold!
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
Update:
Seen the offical results...50!
The target was pulled,so :woohoo:
If I'm not wrong,that's my first GOLD!
Congrats!!!! :cheers:
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I know,I still need to get this updated :facepalm:
It was Southern Hunters duty this morning at West London Rangers. Still waiting on the offical confirmation,as there was talk that one of the targets got pulled,but I scored 49x60. Very pleased as this equals my personal best in the SH series(4years ago!)
Man,am I ever glad I went back to my Ultra :D
Update:
Seen the offical results...50!
The target was pulled,so :woohoo:
If I'm not wrong,that's my first GOLD!
Congrats!!!! :cheers:
Cheers Robert :tu:
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Nice shooting mate. :cheers:
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Well done!
Congrats! :cheers:
Sent from a device made from star dust using tapatalk
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Bloody well done ole boy! :)
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:salute: :tu: :cheers: :2tu: :woohoo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VpcDiDCsrE
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:rofl:
Wow, there's a blast from the past.:D
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYzVMcgWhg
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Last round of Horsham Winter champs today. Got beaten to crap by the wind,and crawled home on 35x60,but it was enough to get me second in class(and I believe 1st .22)
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An excellent result :salute:
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Way to go Kirky! :cheers:
Edit: Just curious, what is the fps of your air rifles that you compete with? Here in Canada, we are restricted to less than 500. Anything higher, than you need a firearms licence.
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Way to go Kirky! :cheers:
Edit: Just curious, what is the fps of your air rifles that you compete with? Here in Canada, we are restricted to less than 500. Anything higher, than you need a firearms licence.
Well in the UK we are limited by muzzle energy not velocity, the limit on air rifles is 12ft/lbs (pistols are 6ft/lbs). My TX 200 runs 11.8 ft/lbs and with a 14.3 grain .22 pellet reaches 610fps (or there about). With an 8 grain pellet it would be 815 fps. Part of the reason I think limiting by velocity is a bit daft :rant:
Over 12 ft/lbs you need a FAC, I've got one of those but I'm quite happy with my 10/22's at the moment :salute:
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Cheers guys :tu:
The Ultras running about 11.3ft/lbs on AirArm Fields,which gives me a margin of error if I'm crono'd with heavier pellets,or warm temperatures
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Last round of the Nightshoots at Ham tonight
Can't decide if I'm happy or annoyed. Scored 29x30, overall win. I'm happy about that,but I'm hacked off at dropping the point. I could have cleared the course >:D
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Well, I know I wouldn't be too disappointed, but I can see dropping just that single point might be a little frustrating.
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Well, I know I wouldn't be too disappointed, but I can see dropping just that single point might be a little frustrating.
I went back after the end and took it again...and bloody knocked it over :facepalm:
Joking aside,I'm very pleased with it as a result. The stubby man with stubby gun for the win :D
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That's bloody impressive mate :salute:
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That's bloody impressive mate :salute:
Cheers Mark,it makes the misery of last years results worth the pain!
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Penultimate round of Southern Hunters at Iden Ferns today. 44x60 and second in class. Could have been much better,but it was a new PB for Iden,and a damn sight better than last year record low of 27!
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Sounds pretty impressive to me mate :tu:
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
Fantastic! Are you going to do recoiling or open class? Where is the comp?
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Sounds pretty impressive to me mate :tu:
Threw away five or six easy points Mike. While I'm not at all unhappy,I need to tighten up.
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
Fantastic! Are you going to do recoiling or open class? Where is the comp?
Going to shoot the open class, not enough practice with the springer recently. :-[ Tried a round with it on Sunday, even given the rubbish weather my score was on the low side (28/60). Still not sure it's ever quite recovered from the barrel cleaning I gave it. Thinking about getting some really filthy pellets to re-foul the barrel as quickly as possible. :D
The details are here: http://www.sarpa.org.uk/
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You'll need to get the better part of a can of pellets through it to re-lead the barrel Gareth. Send it down to me ;)
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You'll need to get the better part of a can of pellets through it to re-lead the barrel Gareth. Send it down to me ;)
Sure, just let me know your address? :tu:
:think:
:twak:
It's getting there TBH. As you say I still need to put a few hundred pellets though it. It might go quicker if I didn't feel the need to aim on every shot. ::) If I was able to bring myself to just lob bits of lead downrange it would go a little quicker. The frustration of not hitting what I'm aiming at also means I tend to stop shooting the 57 and go back to the Brocock. :shrug:
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You'll need to get the better part of a can of pellets through it to re-lead the barrel Gareth. Send it down to me ;)
Sure, just let me know your address? :tu:
:think:
:twak:
It's getting there TBH. As you say I still need to put a few hundred pellets though it. It might go quicker if I didn't feel the need to aim on every shot. ::) If I was able to bring myself to just lob bits of lead downrange it would go a little quicker. The frustration of not hitting what I'm aiming at also means I tend to stop shooting the 57 and go back to the Brocock. :shrug:
Yeah,I can relate :D
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You'll need to get the better part of a can of pellets through it to re-lead the barrel Gareth. Send it down to me ;)
Sure, just let me know your address? :tu:
:think:
:twak:
It's getting there TBH. As you say I still need to put a few hundred pellets though it. It might go quicker if I didn't feel the need to aim on every shot. ::) If I was able to bring myself to just lob bits of lead downrange it would go a little quicker. The frustration of not hitting what I'm aiming at also means I tend to stop shooting the 57 and go back to the Brocock. :shrug:
Just use the statistic that the number of shots fired by US forces per confirmed insurgent kill was 250000 in 2011 and get some damn lead down range :rofl:
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You'll need to get the better part of a can of pellets through it to re-lead the barrel Gareth. Send it down to me ;)
Sure, just let me know your address? :tu:
:think:
:twak:
It's getting there TBH. As you say I still need to put a few hundred pellets though it. It might go quicker if I didn't feel the need to aim on every shot. ::) If I was able to bring myself to just lob bits of lead downrange it would go a little quicker. The frustration of not hitting what I'm aiming at also means I tend to stop shooting the 57 and go back to the Brocock. :shrug:
Just use the statistic that the number of shots fired by US forces per confirmed insurgent kill was 250000 in 2011 and get some damn lead down range :rofl:
Can't fight that logic!
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
:rant: :poh: :wait:
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
:rant: :poh: :wait:
What happened G?
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
:rant: :poh: :wait:
What happened G?
Nothing serious, I just shot like a one armed Muppet. ::) brought home a score of 39, and I don't really have a good excuse. :shrug: A little blow at some parts but nothing awful. Ah well, it could have been worse, at least it wasn't raining. :D
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Nice shooting mate. :tu:
I've got the first round of the SARPA league coming up on the 22nd that I should be going to. :)
:rant: :poh: :wait:
What happened G?
Nothing serious, I just shot like a one armed Muppet. ::) brought home a score of 39, and I don't really have a good excuse. :shrug: A little blow at some parts but nothing awful. Ah well, it could have been worse, at least it wasn't raining. :D
All part of the learning experiance Gareth ;)
If it makes you feel better,I struggled round on 44 at Bisley today
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I did bring this back with me though
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:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
:woohoo:
Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :salute:
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Bloody well done you mate :)
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Thanks guys,but there's still an awful lot of room for improvement!
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Still nice job man! Congrats!
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Thanks guys,but there's still an awful lot of room for improvement!
Only to the tune of two places though :tu:
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Well, what a difference a week makes. ::) Decided to have a play with my scope set up, I was shooting with x9 magnification and zero at 35 yards, but thought I'd have some fun and bring the zero back to around 25 yards and a ridiculous x3 magnification. Spent around 10-15 minutes making the rough changes on the outdoor plinking range and went out on the clubs full HFT course. Did I not go and shoot a personal best of 50 out of 60! Weather was kind with just a light breeze on a couple of targets, but even so I was very pleased given I wasn't properly zeroed and didn't have any kind of range map done.
I doubt I'll stick with the x3 magnification, but I'm certain I'll be experimenting with something lower than my normal x9.
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Good going mate! :) I always found it harder to shoot with higher magnification due to the sight picture wobbling about too much ::)
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For unsupported standing and kneeling i'd agree, but taken prone I'd of always said I was happier with higher mag settings. But given I was still putting away 40 yard targets at this low setting it could be I was fooling myself. :think:
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BTW, I'm not going dismiss my habits of the last couple of years just because of one bad day last week and one good day today, but I'm definitely going to be playing around a little more.
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That's a cracking result Gareth, finding what works takes time :salute:
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That's a cracking result Gareth, finding what works takes time :salute:
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What he said! 50 is a damn good score Gareth. I've only got into the fifties on three occasions so far,so bloody well done! A lot depends on the average distance on the targets. At Ham,we get few beyond 35! Don't be afraid to play around,and don't be put off if what works for you runs contrary to what the experts say!
Home shoot to at Horsham thus morning. I was hoping it would be the roll out for the Summer HFT course,but it ended up being the last hurrah for the Hunter course. Not unhappy with 40x60,considering I'd two donuts in very windy and wet conditions.
Unless there's something on at Ham over the Easter weekend,it's down time till the 12th and the first round of the Horsham Summer Series.
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Cheers gents. :cheers:
I've got to ask mate; just how many leagues do you have down there? The only one that gets any attention up here is the SARPA one I've just started in and that only has a few comps over the summer months. Winter pretty much stops everything outside of the individual club activities. So today was pretty typical at my new club and it's all very relaxed, keeping score if you want to and no real record keeping, other than to note if someone makes a perfect round.
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Off the top of my head...
There's Southern Hunters which kind of covers Cambridgeshire,Hertfordshire,Middlesex ,Surrey ,Essex and Sussex. The Sussex clubs all seem to run open champs over the summer and winter,so if you wanted,you could be shooting pretty much every Sunday.
Over the summer,there's not a regional championship,but the offical UKAHFT champs are running. The Sussex clubs run their Interclub champs(SIHFT) both for individual and club.
So,over the winter,it was HPRPC Nightshoot champs,Southern Hunters,and Horsham Hawks Winter League. Over the summer(with any luck) it'll be HPRPC Club Championship,the SIHFT,and the Horsham Hawks Summer league.
Oh,and maybe a national this year :think:
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OK, that's a lot more options that I get up here. :o
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I'm going to carry on my habit of hijacking Kirky's shooting blog (sorry mate :whistle:) and say I've had another good day at the club. Lovely warm sun, only a very light breeze and another score of 50 out of 60. The only slight fly in my pint was that I got a doughnut early on, but that's what happens when you shoot at the wrong smurfing target. :bnghd: Took a shot at the actual target after my "miss" and knocked it down, so it should have been a round of 52. Ah well. :D
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I'm going to carry on my habit of hijacking Kirky's shooting blog (sorry mate :whistle:) and say I've had another good day at the club. Lovely warm sun, only a very light breeze and another score of 50 out of 60. The only slight fly in my pint was that I got a doughnut early on, but that's what happens when you shoot at the wrong smurfing target. :bnghd: Took a shot at the actual target after my "miss" and knocked it down, so it should have been a round of 52. Ah well. :D
50,with a donut? That's bloody good Gareth,well done! That's using the Brocock?
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Cheers mate. :) Yeah, that's with the Brocock and Nikko Stirling scope (set to 25yard zero and x5 mag). VERY pleased with how it's shooting right now. 8)
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5x mag?! You must struggle a bit on the long shots?
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Well, not so hard as I though it might be. :shrug: Plated a couple, killed the others. We've got about five or six that I'd call 'long'.
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Again,bloody well done Gareth :salute:
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Again,bloody well done Gareth :salute:
+1 Congrats! :cheers:
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Cheers gents. :cheers:
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Oh,I'm so,so embarssed :facepalm:
First round of the Horsham Summer Championship this morning,and I be been sulking,kicking things and generally grousing since I watched a pellet whizzing off past the target into distant woodland oblivion for my fourth( :cry: fourth :bnghd: ) donut of the round.
37x60 on what was supposed to be the easy HFT course. :bnghd: :bnghd: :bnghd: :bnghd: :bnghd:
I just seen the results,and I finished level pegging with the outgoing club chairman. I feel better. And I didn't come last.
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We all have days like that mate, next time I'll go shooting for you and you can take my stroppy child out for the day! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
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Welcome to my world of a few weeks ago. :-\ Sorry to hear you had a bad day mate. Was it poor weather or something?
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Tough break mate, hopefully next time will be better :)
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We all have days like that mate, next time I'll go shooting for you and you can take my stroppy child out for the day! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
No,your ok there,thank you Mark,I'll stick with a smurfy result :tu:
Tough break mate, hopefully next time will be better :)
Welcome to my world of a few weeks ago. :-\ Sorry to hear you had a bad day mate. Was it poor weather or something?
Er,really don't know. Tony only did a 39( he had two donuts to my four),and seeing someone like Derek finish on 37 means it was more difficult than I gave it credit for :think: But:
1) ALLWAYS check zero after you've had the action out of the stock( which I did last weekend to re varnish the stock)
2) ALLWAYS go for a pee before you start. You just can't lie on two cups of tea :whistle:
3) ALLWAYS gave a Harribo every five targets,even if you don't think you want one
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Eat Haribo? Not that I have an issue with the idea, it's just a new one on me.
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Low blood sugar can effect vision and induce muscle shakes also loss of concentration, why do you think they include so much quick release sugar in forces issue ration packs? :salute:
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I know I burn a lot of calories when I'm shooting,and I've tried different solutions to keeping the energy levels up. Isotonic drinks kinda failed horribly,choccies melt far too easily,but Haribo Moabs are bang on the money. Tasty,stable and quick to metabolise :tu:
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I know I burn a lot of calories when I'm shooting,and I've tried different solutions to keeping the energy levels up. Isotonic drinks kinda failed horribly,choccies melt far too easily,but Haribo Moabs are bang on the money. Tasty,stable and quick to metabolise :tu:
Boiled sweets are also a great option :tu:
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OK, that all makes sense. Sweeties it is then. :D
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I know I burn a lot of calories when I'm shooting,and I've tried different solutions to keeping the energy levels up. Isotonic drinks kinda failed horribly,choccies melt far too easily,but Haribo Moabs are bang on the money. Tasty,stable and quick to metabolise :tu:
Boiled sweets are also a great option :tu:
Very true!
I've a sentimental attachment to Moab strips. They used to be the only thing that made the weekly managers meetings at work survivable!
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I know I burn a lot of calories when I'm shooting,and I've tried different solutions to keeping the energy levels up. Isotonic drinks kinda failed horribly,choccies melt far too easily,but Haribo Moabs are bang on the money. Tasty,stable and quick to metabolise :tu:
Boiled sweets are also a great option :tu:
Very true!
I've a sentimental attachment to Moab strips. They used to be the only thing that made the weekly managers meetings at work survivable!
Fox's Glacier Fruits for me :tu:
Oh and pear drops, Everton mints :ahhh
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I know I burn a lot of calories when I'm shooting,and I've tried different solutions to keeping the energy levels up. Isotonic drinks kinda failed horribly,choccies melt far too easily,but Haribo Moabs are bang on the money. Tasty,stable and quick to metabolise :tu:
Boiled sweets are also a great option :tu:
Very true!
I've a sentimental attachment to Moab strips. They used to be the only thing that made the weekly managers meetings at work survivable!
Fox's Glacier Fruits for me :tu:
:ahhh Havnt had those for years!
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Me either! A real blast from the past. :drool:
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Well,at least it wasn't the zero being out. As usual it's been user error :bnghd:
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Great work and excellent pix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think the answer must be to eat more Haribo. :whistle:
Good looking range you've got set up there though. :tu:
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I think the answer must be to eat more Haribo. :whistle:
Good looking range you've got set up there though. :tu:
I think the answer is to avoid working school holidays :ahhh
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I think the answer must be to eat more Haribo. :whistle:
Good looking range you've got set up there though. :tu:
I think the answer is to avoid working school holidays :ahhh
Bit busy is it? :-\
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I think the answer must be to eat more Haribo. :whistle:
Good looking range you've got set up there though. :tu:
I think the answer is to avoid working school holidays :ahhh
Bit busy is it? :-\
Two very busy weeks,yeah :facepalm: It's an object lesson on just how important it is to be in your comfort zone. The night before,I'd fallen asleep on the train home. I'd even forgot to take the pump to fill my rifle :bnghd:
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You're using a pump to fill your rifle? I've never actually had the pleasure of trying that, I've only ever filled from dive bottles.
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Yeah,I've never had a dive bottle. I'd used the club bottle,but I ended up with issues(which may have triggered the failure of the reg). The pump isn't that bad. When I'd started testing last autumn,I'd checked shot counts and POI at various pressures, so I can now fill straight to the sweet spot. Sounds strange,but I've lost faith in dive bottles,but feel confident in the pump because it's a mechanical device
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Having missed getting to the range last week (family day out), I thought I'd make the time to go for a couple of rounds today. First round was OK, but missed a few easy ones and gave myself a donut by not having a pellet in the breach. :doh: Still a 47 was a good enough score.
Having gotten my eye in on the first round I went out for round two. The first six pegs are very exposed and there was a swirling breeze that makes life difficult, but there after I barely put a foot wrong and came home with a PB of 54. :woohoo:
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How's the shooting going mate?
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How's the shooting going mate?
Please don't make me talk about it,please don't make me talk about it :cry: :cry: :cry:
Last Sunday was the first round of the Sussex Interclub. It was traumatic
33x60
All I'm going to say is that at the end the were many,many shooters walking around shaking their heads. The pair in front of us,the dad was shooting 22 as well,he finished on an equally bemused 33. Tony struggled in on a 34 after air supply issues. Kim,from Buxtead how made up your third,finished on 42 rather than his usual 50 or so.
Just heart breaking :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Sorry to hear it buddy. :(
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Sorry to hear it buddy. :(
Cheers Gareth,just a bad day all round.
Weekend off this weekend,then three weeks of combos back to back,two SIHFTs and second round of Horsham's summer champ :ahhh
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Given you weren't the only one having a bad day it sounds like it might have been a tougher course than folks were giving it credit for.
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Given you weren't the only one having a bad day it sounds like it might have been a tougher course than folks were giving it credit for.
There were an awful lot of non standard targets,which doesn't help. The Oaks love peg 12. Targets about 15m up a tree,about 8m from the peg. This year,it had a 20mm kill,in the squirrels hands :ahhh I just could do it prone,but I took it as an unsupported kneeler :facepalm: Go figure
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I don't mind the idea of one or two non-standard targets, it keeps things interesting, but many more than that just makes things frustrating. ::) There are other ways of making a shot challenging. The squirrel 15m up a tree sounds like a right bugger!
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After a two week break,the Sussex Interclub Championship met up again at Ford Ranges outside Littlehampton
I don't know whether tho laugh or cry. I managed to have a small panic on the plinking range when I mistook the 30 yard marker for the 25, and messed up my zero. It took 8 targets to find my new aim point. So getting home on a 41, after two donuts and eight wasted targets was a bad job,but omg,what it could have been :facepalm:
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Well, you're having a better time than I am ATM. :tu: I honestly cannot bring myself to say how bad a score I had today in the league competition. Mitigating factors of strong, blustery wind and rain aside, I honestly think something was/is up with my rig. I was pulling the trigger and I had NO idea where the pellet would go. Seemed almost totally random. :shrug:
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Well, you're having a better time than I am ATM. :tu: I honestly cannot bring myself to say how bad a score I had today in the league competition. Mitigating factors of strong, blustery wind and rain aside, I honestly think something was/is up with my rig. I was pulling the trigger and I had NO idea where the pellet would go. Seemed almost totally random. :shrug:
Believe me,I know that feeling Gareth!
This is the Brocock? Have you had it on an indoor range to check zero? Sounds daft,but have you checked the tightness of screws and nuts? Only takes one to loosen by half a turn for everything to go south
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Well, you're having a better time than I am ATM. :tu: I honestly cannot bring myself to say how bad a score I had today in the league competition. Mitigating factors of strong, blustery wind and rain aside, I honestly think something was/is up with my rig. I was pulling the trigger and I had NO idea where the pellet would go. Seemed almost totally random. :shrug:
Believe me,I know that feeling Gareth!
This is the Brocock? Have you had it on an indoor range to check zero? Sounds daft,but have you checked the tightness of screws and nuts? Only takes one to loosen by half a turn for everything to go south
Yeah, the Brocock. I checked the zero earlier in the week and it seemed OK. I'll be heading to the indoor range tomorrow to give it a good going over.
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I ordered some Pellgun oil!!! Yay!!!!!
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Well, you're having a better time than I am ATM. :tu: I honestly cannot bring myself to say how bad a score I had today in the league competition. Mitigating factors of strong, blustery wind and rain aside, I honestly think something was/is up with my rig. I was pulling the trigger and I had NO idea where the pellet would go. Seemed almost totally random. :shrug:
Believe me,I know that feeling Gareth!
This is the Brocock? Have you had it on an indoor range to check zero? Sounds daft,but have you checked the tightness of screws and nuts? Only takes one to loosen by half a turn for everything to go south
Yeah, the Brocock. I checked the zero earlier in the week and it seemed OK. I'll be heading to the indoor range tomorrow to give it a good going over.
Thing is,after a run of good results,a bad one really rattles you as well. I'd done well in the closing stages of Southern Hunters this years,had a bad day at Bisley,and it hit the bottom at the Oaks two weeks ago with my second worst result ever,not understanding why.
As much as today didn't go that well,over the concrete section (12 targets) I only dropped four points...two on a donut.
One of the things I'm starting to learn is to how to mind manage myself. Today I was able to shrug off the idea of a final score,or how I was doing vs Tony. Just shoot each target as if it's the first :tu:
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Ah yes, the psychology of success. :tu: Oddly, today I actually still felt pretty good and managed to keep positive, despite the string of donuts. My score card read like binary instructions BTW. :D
I fully admit though that bad results have gotten to me in the past, and that once the blues have set in they're hard to shrug off. Last weekend I was shooting a comp back at my old club in Edinburgh and the rain was torrential, I really couldn't wait to get it over and done with and couldn't bring myself care where the pellets were going, just so long as I could finish up and get off the course. Still shot better than I did today though. ;)
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Well, smurf. >:( Took the Brocock to the indoor range this morning and gave it a workout. The good news is that I'm not (just) an awful shot. The bad news is that the Brocock is putting out patterns at anything over 25 yards that only a shotgun would be happy with. In the past giving the barrel a clean has solved the problem, but not this time. :( Also tried with both my scopes and neither were any better. Pressure's OK, same pellets as always.
My one thought is that, after it's soaking a week ago, the stock is feeling a much tighter fit on the air cylinder. As the cylinder is attached via a band to the barrel then, perhaps, the tight stock is impeding the natural movement of the barrel. Feels like a bit of a long shot (pardon the pun), but I'm open to any sensible suggestions.
On a happier note, my new pistol arrived while I was out. :)
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Changes in stock fit affect the barrel harmonics in centerfire/rimfire rifles so probably in yours as well....
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Changes in stock fit affect the barrel harmonics in centerfire/rimfire rifles so probably in yours as well....
Cheers buddy. It's good to hear that there is a chance I'm not talking out of my arse. :D
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Changes in stock fit affect the barrel harmonics in centerfire/rimfire rifles so probably in yours as well....
Cheers buddy. It's good to hear that there is a chance I'm not talking out of my arse. :D
If your humidity is low, the stock might return back to it's orig dimensions, eventually, but removing the stock and warming it a warm oven with the door ajar might speed up the process. Don't want to over do it. Here in Texas, I might leave in my truck a while on a sunny day to warm it but I don't know how warm it is at your location. Low dry heat is best...even a blow dryer on that area of forearm might help.
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:hatsoff: But you probably knew all that anyway..! :D :cheers:
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Just to add a couple of things...
SAK Guy is bang on about stock fit affecting the harmonics,but this tends to be more noticeable on springers. Not to say it isn't valid,but PCPs suffer far less.
The other is this: humour me,and try again with your moderator removed. Tony bought a Brocock as a backup gun. Shoots fine til you put anything on the barrel. He's tried three different moderators,and a muzzle break,and he gets exactly what you've described.
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Just to add a couple of things...
SAK Guy is bang on about stock fit affecting the harmonics,but this tends to be more noticeable on springers. Not to say it isn't valid,but PCPs suffer far less.
The other is this: humour me,and try again with your moderator removed. Tony bought a Brocock as a backup gun. Shoots fine til you put anything on the barrel. He's tried three different moderators,and a muzzle break,and he gets exactly what you've described.
Good thought, but I've already taken it off. :D I did it about a month or so ago, though I have to say I never had any real issue with it. Seemed a little better without it, but not by much, if any. Sadly this has developed since then.
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Just to add a couple of things...
SAK Guy is bang on about stock fit affecting the harmonics,but this tends to be more noticeable on springers. Not to say it isn't valid,but PCPs suffer far less.
The other is this: humour me,and try again with your moderator removed. Tony bought a Brocock as a backup gun. Shoots fine til you put anything on the barrel. He's tried three different moderators,and a muzzle break,and he gets exactly what you've described.
Good thought, but I've already taken it off. :D I did it about a month or so ago, though I have to say I never had any real issue with it. Seemed a little better without it, but not by much, if any. Sadly this has developed since then.
Have you got a chrono?
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Just to add a couple of things...
SAK Guy is bang on about stock fit affecting the harmonics,but this tends to be more noticeable on springers. Not to say it isn't valid,but PCPs suffer far less.
The other is this: humour me,and try again with your moderator removed. Tony bought a Brocock as a backup gun. Shoots fine til you put anything on the barrel. He's tried three different moderators,and a muzzle break,and he gets exactly what you've described.
Good thought, but I've already taken it off. :D I did it about a month or so ago, though I have to say I never had any real issue with it. Seemed a little better without it, but not by much, if any. Sadly this has developed since then.
Have you got a chrono?
Personally, no, but I can get to one on Sunday. Are you thinking it might be underpowered?
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Just to add a couple of things...
SAK Guy is bang on about stock fit affecting the harmonics,but this tends to be more noticeable on springers. Not to say it isn't valid,but PCPs suffer far less.
The other is this: humour me,and try again with your moderator removed. Tony bought a Brocock as a backup gun. Shoots fine til you put anything on the barrel. He's tried three different moderators,and a muzzle break,and he gets exactly what you've described.
Good thought, but I've already taken it off. :D I did it about a month or so ago, though I have to say I never had any real issue with it. Seemed a little better without it, but not by much, if any. Sadly this has developed since then.
Have you got a chrono?
Personally, no, but I can get to one on Sunday. Are you thinking it might be underpowered?
I'm thinking inconsistency. If the pressure is is dipping or climbing,it'll give the bird shot effect.
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OK, good thought. I'll see if I can get it chrono'd. :tu:
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Was back at the range this afternoon and got some results. My HW57 with 3-9x50 scope was shooting much better than it had in a long time, producing pellet on pellet groups at 25 yards. If that doesn't sound exceptional, then you've not seen the shotgun groups it has been producing. Now, that 3-9x50 scope normally lives on my Brocock, with the HW57 normally having a 3-9x40 on it. Swapped the scopes back and the groups open up again, though I have to say not as bad as I remember. :think: Some more investigating to be done, but that 3-9x40 scope is looking suspect.
The Brocock (with it's 3-9x50 returned to it) seems to be playing ball. It'd given the stock a very light sanding inside and made a thin spacer to raise the action up a touch, resulting in a much lighter contact between the stock and the cylinder. Now shooting pellet on pellet at 35 yards again. Need to test it at longer distances, but I can't do that at our indoor range.
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9X seems like to little magnification for the type of shooting you do Kirks.
I have a 14X on my .22 target rifle and find myself wanting more sometimes.
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9X seems like to little magnification for the type of shooting you do Kirks.
I have a 14X on my .22 target rifle and find myself wanting more sometimes.
There's an argument in favour of higher mag Harley,the problem is though,you have much more blur. At x9, I've a clear picture from about 9 or 10 yards. With higher mag you'll have a great picture at one range only. Saying that,a lot of guys use the degree of blur as a range finding aid. I'm not that clefer tho :think:
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I've been playing with what magnification I've been shooting with and, oddly, seem to get along well with lower settings. x6 is what I'm using ATM.
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Another dose of :bnghd: today
Home shoot at Horsham,with two runs through the Field of Tears return a 40x60. Can't even claim the sights were out(I re-zeroed before the comp), or that the wind was an issue,as it was as calm as Horsham gets.
One of those days I should have stayed in bed :rant:
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Hard lines mate. :-\ I've got my club's "springer challenge" this Sunday. I don't hold any illusions as to my chances, especially as there are some top notch spring gun shooters at my club, let alone how poorly my springer is shooting ATM. :D
I am however going to take the opportunity to spend some time with the HW57, with the better performing scope, a couple of different pellets types, the indoor range and make some range notes.
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Well, I had my club's 'spring shoot' today. As expected my HW57 didn't perform very well, though I still placed middle of the field. I had my mate at the club give it a go and we decided that it wasn't just me being rubbish. ;) With that in mind we gave it a strip and clean this evening, with a light polish and re-grease of the spring and piston. Also flipped the breach seals around to present the fresh faces. I'll take the gun to the range tomorrow and see if all the effort was worth it. :D
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Well, I had my club's 'spring shoot' today. As expected my HW57 didn't perform very well, though I still placed middle of the field. I had my mate at the club give it a go and we decided that it wasn't just me being rubbish. ;) With that in mind we gave it a strip and clean this evening, with a light polish and re-grease of the spring and piston. Also flipped the breach seals around to present the fresh faces. I'll take the gun to the range tomorrow and see if all the effort was worth it. :D
Sorry Gareth,only catching up here now(bad Kirk :twak:)
Did the strip help?
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Round :woohoo: three of the Sussex Interclub at the Swallows this morning. TBH,I shouldn't have even been there,with Tony off on his hols. My flatmate,however,very kindly offered to take me down
And boy,was it worth it! Despite wind and rain,I came home on 50x60. Best .22,gold,and second in class(.22 and recoiling combined)
Damn,I'm pleased with myself :woohoo:
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Round :woohoo: three of the Sussex Interclub at the Swallows this morning. TBH,I shouldn't have even been there,with Tony off on his hols. My flatmate,however,very kindly offered to take me down
And boy,was it worth it! Despite wind and rain,I came home on 50x60. Best .22,gold,and second in class(.22 and recoiling combined)
Damn,I'm pleased with myself :woohoo:
Damn good result mate :drink:
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Round :woohoo: three of the Sussex Interclub at the Swallows this morning. TBH,I shouldn't have even been there,with Tony off on his hols. My flatmate,however,very kindly offered to take me down
And boy,was it worth it! Despite wind and rain,I came home on 50x60. Best .22,gold,and second in class(.22 and recoiling combined)
Damn,I'm pleased with myself :woohoo:
Damn good result mate :drink:
:salute: Cheers Mark!
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Nice one mate! :tu:
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Nice shooting mate! :woohoo:
I was out yesterday as well. Brought in a very middling score of 38x60, but the wind was strong and gusting and only the very top shooters were bringing in significantly better scores.
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Well, I had my club's 'spring shoot' today. As expected my HW57 didn't perform very well, though I still placed middle of the field. I had my mate at the club give it a go and we decided that it wasn't just me being rubbish. ;) With that in mind we gave it a strip and clean this evening, with a light polish and re-grease of the spring and piston. Also flipped the breach seals around to present the fresh faces. I'll take the gun to the range tomorrow and see if all the effort was worth it. :D
Sorry Gareth,only catching up here now(bad Kirk :twak:)
Did the strip help?
Humm...Some, but still not right. :-\ It cycles really nicely now, short and crisp but without a big jump and the accuracy is better. However it's grouping at 25 yards is still too open and at 35 yards+ it's tighter than before but still looser than I expect of it. Not a case of wishful thinking either, I KNOW it used to shoot nice groups at over 35 yards.
What we did find on the strip down was that the spring had become a little deformed. While we straightened it up as best as we could and fitted a guide I suspect I'm still going to replace it. Also the piston head had a few dinks and whatnot from the factory installation so if I'm getting a new spring I'll get a new head and de-burr the internals. A brand new set of breach seals won't hurt either. Anything else I should be looking for?
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Well, I had my club's 'spring shoot' today. As expected my HW57 didn't perform very well, though I still placed middle of the field. I had my mate at the club give it a go and we decided that it wasn't just me being rubbish. ;) With that in mind we gave it a strip and clean this evening, with a light polish and re-grease of the spring and piston. Also flipped the breach seals around to present the fresh faces. I'll take the gun to the range tomorrow and see if all the effort was worth it. :D
Sorry Gareth,only catching up here now(bad Kirk :twak:)
Did the strip help?
Humm...Some, but still not right. :-\ It cycles really nicely now, short and crisp but without a big jump and the accuracy is better. However it's grouping at 25 yards is still too open and at 35 yards+ it's tighter than before but still looser than I expect of it. Not a case of wishful thinking either, I KNOW it used to shoot nice groups at over 35 yards.
What we did find on the strip down was that the spring had become a little deformed. While we straightened it up as best as we could and fitted a guide I suspect I'm still going to replace it. Also the piston head had a few dinks and whatnot from the factory installation so if I'm getting a new spring I'll get a new head and de-burr the internals. A brand new set of breach seals won't hurt either. Anything else I should be looking for?
Back at the range this morning and results are better. Got my hands on a few RWS Superdomes to try and they gave me some good groups at both 25 and 35 yards. Perhaps not 100% of what I think it's capable of, but I'd say around 90% there. I've ordered up a whole tin of Superdomes and will put some real time in with them once I've got them in hand. Since the strip down the shooting cycle has become very sweet as well. For once I left the range with a smile on my face. :D
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Good deal! Finding the right ammo that matches your firearm, or air rifle in this case, is half of the battle.
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Oddly I've tried the Superdomes before and, while they were OK, the H&N FTT pellets I've been using were better. Seems my rifle might have changed it's mind. :D Seriously though, I think it's still too early to call this a done deal, but it's another small step in the right direction.
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After working out that one of my scopes is definitely broken, making nice L-shaped patterns and having a very suspicious rattle, I had borrowed a scope from a friend at the club. Wow, was I impressed with it. Lovely clear as day image that blows my Nikko Stirling out of the water. So with that in mind I decided to get one of them for myself.
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http://www.jsramsbottom.com/products/riflescopes-leapers/leapers2732-leapers-2-7x32-red--green-illuminated-mil-dot-riflescope.html
The fact the price is very reasonable is a definite bonus, plus it comes with a set of flip-up lens covers that were a nice surprise.
Spent a little time with a tin of the Superdomes and, while they're better than the others I've been using, I'm still not 100% happy. So I've ordered in a service kit with new breech seals, piston head and spring. If that doesn't work then I'm stumped. :shrug:
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That looks very similar to what I use,excepting the turret style and the IR. I reckon they work a treat!
Good idea getting the new spring. Only other thing I can think of is to check to bore of the cylinder isn't damaged. Also check the loading port is lining up true...
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Cheers buddy. The loading port seems to be good. In fact the tolerances are so tight that I don't see how it couldn't be, unless you didn't fully push it down into place I guess. I'll have another look at the cylinder when it's opened up again. :tu:
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What was I thinking?!!! :ahhh
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Don't worry, all's well. :D
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Kirky: cylinder looks OK and now it's back together the shooting cycle still feels nice. Dieseled on the first few shots (in the garage into a pellet stop), but sweet now. Still need to take it to the range and see if it's any better though. (https://theadminzone.com/data/attachments/30/30240-661e814c43d861c99868b718c7d8a275.jpg)
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Here's hoping G! Your 57 was sweet at last years Meet!
Waiting to see if my flatmate is going to join in the fun with us at the Home shoot on Sunday
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Cheers mate. My wife has given permission for me to spend a little time at the range tomorrow, so we'll soon see. This Sunday is just a club day for me, but there is a comp next Saturday that I'd really like this gun to be ready for.
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You had anymore thoughts about becoming an idiot?
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You had anymore thoughts about becoming an idiot?
What, shooting a .22? Still thinking about it, yes. :D I'm keeping an eye out for a good deal to come up though, I'm not in any great hurry.
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and it's........better. Started off with the Superdomes and there was an improvement, but still had a habit of throwing 1 in 5 flyers. Decided to go back through my pellet collection again (as I have at most stages of this saga) and it's still gone off it's once preferred H&N FTTs. However I then got to my Air Arm Fields (4.51mm), a pellet that up until now it has HATED, and suddenly I'm putting out lovely tight groups at 25 yards and good enough at 35 yards. Of course Sods Law dictated that I only had about 15 of these pellets left in a tin, and I want to do more testing before I say "job done". Happily these are the pellets I use in the Brocock so I'd would have been ordering more anyway.
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Nice! Sounds like it tightened right up.
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Good to hear it Gareth :tu:
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Cheers gents. Ordered in some more AA Fields. As I said, I use them in my other rifle anyway so they'll not go to waste, whether they are the final answer in the HW57 or not.
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Home shoot at Horsham this morning. Fantastic weather,very little wind at all. Same course as in May,twice through the Field of Tears. Big improvement over last time,with a 47x60. Got tripped up big time by the 15mm targets.
My flatmate came with me,used my BSA SuperStar. 28x60 for someone whose only shot twice before on a plinking range was damn impressive,despite a bit of Sniper's Eye!
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Good score mate. :tu: I was giving the 57 a trial today, but using second-best pellets and fighting strong winds didn't really tell me much. :D. Still a nice day to be outside though.
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Good score mate. :tu: I was giving the 57 a trial today, but using second-best pellets and fighting strong winds didn't really tell me much. :D. Still a nice day to be outside though.
That's very often the thing: Great to be outdoors!
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Next competition tomorrow, this one in the north of Scotland. Lovely sun and calm weather all week, set to change for wind and rain tomorrow. :doh:
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Next competition tomorrow, this one in the north of Scotland. Lovely sun and calm weather all week, set to change for wind and rain tomorrow. :doh:
It's in the rules,don'tcha know?
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Well the rules were broken as the rotten weather never did quite appear.:D Drizzled for about 15 minutes and that was it. Wind was very light and only notably affected a handful of shots. Even better, I came in on a 40x60 which was good enough to put me in a shoot off for third. Sadly I lost the shoot off but I'm still very happy with a fourth in my first stab at the recoiling class.
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Well the rules were broken as the rotten weather never did quite appear.:D Drizzled for about 15 minutes and that was it. Wind was very light and only notably affected a handful of shots. Even better, I came in on a 40x60 which was good enough to put me in a shoot off for third. Sadly I lost the shoot off but I'm still very happy with a fourth in my first stab at the recoiling class.
Good job Gareth! What did the class winner do?
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Two guys ahead of me on 47x60. They're both very experienced spring shooters though so i'd of been surprised if they'd shot much less. What i do need to do though is get my longer range aim points sorted, as i've only got it tested to 35 yards (the length of our indoor range). I think there is something more to be found with an alternative pellet as well.
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Two guys ahead of me on 47x60. They're both very experienced spring shooters though so i'd of been surprised if they'd shot much less. What i do need to do though is get my longer range aim points sorted, as i've only got it tested to 35 yards (the length of our indoor range). I think there is something more to be found with an alternative pellet as well.
No,that's well good Gareth :salute:
Not sure what your course set ups are like,but you get punished in Sussex if you can't land shots at full distance :ahhh
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Different clubs have very different views on what makes a good coarse. So today's course at Grampian was a good mix of size problems, range, height, low light, obstructions etc etc. The comp back in Edinburgh was all about long range and little else. To my mind that's boring if you're good at reading range and frustrating and boring if you're not. I know which I'd rather shoot. :)
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Back at the range this morning. After a bit of a wait I got in a selection of pellets from Pellet Perfect and took a morning to try them out. I'd gone for some of the lighter pellets on the market and top two at 25 yards were JSB Exact Express (7.87gr) and Falcon Accuracy Plus (7.3gr). My current AA Fields came in third. Pushed the range back to 35 yards and Falcons took the top spot with 4 out of 5 shots tight enough to be covered by a 5p coin, and I suspect the other shot was pulled by me. I'd also forgotten just how little drop you get with a lightweight pellet! Need to get in a full tin of them and re-do my range guide.
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Sounds like a winning package to me mate :)
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OK, new pellets didn't arrive in time for yesterday's shoot, but it still went OK. Came home with a 41x60, not good enough to place, but within touching distance. ;) Given the slightly scattered groups the AA Fields are producing it's no surprise that it was the 15mm kills and the 45 yard shots that were giving me the most trouble. The wind and rain weren't much help either. :D
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Well,you did better than me Gareth!
Round 4 of the Sussex Interclub at Horsham,and after my heroics at Swallows,I crashed to a 39x60(including 2 doughnuts :facepalm:). Second 22 shooter and fifth in class. Not impressed with myself :megaslap:
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Round 5 of the Sussex Interclub at the Somme...I mean Buxted today
Buxted is one of the few clubs I don't enjoy visiting. The guys from Buxted are great,the Hoobit Army as they're known,but I don't get on with the course at all. My first visit was when the Ultra was running the defective reg,and I shot a 33. Last year on the SIHFT,I was using the 97,but with defective eyes,for a 36. Today would be a PB for Buxted.
After a sweltering week,I was looking forward to a warm,dry shoot. No such luck. It rained,and rained hard for 3hrs,turning Buxted back into the Somme.
Ended on 44x60,with one stupid donut. Second 22 shooter and fifth in class. Missed a silver by one point :bnghd:
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That sounds pretty bloody good mate :)
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That sounds pretty bloody good mate :)
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TBH,I reckon 47 was the max I could have got,so I'm not too unhappy :tu:
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Good job mate. :cheers: I've yet to have a 100% dry comp this year. A couple of OK ones, a couple of wet ones and Edinburgh: where I might as well have jumped in a river. ::)
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Round three of the Horsham summer champs today.
Started off well when a seal give up on the Ultra even before I left the house :facepalm:
Lyudmila was quickly pulled out of mothballs. I Havnt used her in anger since last autumn. I hit the plinking range early. Zero was still pretty much spot on,but as I checked aim points,I realised that 20-35 yards were all wrong :bnghd: I wouldn't mind,but I'd checked and rechecked these last year. I'm blaming my eyes :rant:
By peg twenty I'd only dropped 4 points,but then fatigue took over,the 97 is so much heavier Ultra,and my round fell apart.
42x60
Tony had his smart phone with him,so I've got a few photos to share!
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In the Field of Tears before the start
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Hope your rifle gets well soon mate :(
Not a bad score considering :)
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Hope your rifle gets well soon mate :(
Not a bad score considering :)
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Cheers Mike :salute:
Tony's already had a look at the Ultra,and reckons he's got it sorted :D
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Please don't tell me airguns are going to turn into an expensive to run hobby :o :D
Glad she'll be on the mend soon mate :)
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Please don't tell me airguns are going to turn into an expensive to run hobby :o :D
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>:D
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What are the minimum requirements in HFT? :)
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Must be a sub 12ft/lb rifle,and ideally have a mildot scope.
In theory,you could get a SMK DB4,a cheapish 3-9x40 scope and your in business,so under £100. In practice you need to to be looking at spending(at new) £4-500 on your rig.
A good trigger is everything,with a good barrel not too far behind. A second hand Weihrauch is going to be a far choice if you can get one at the right price
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Thanks mate :) its a way off, but I do fancy having a go one day :)
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Thanks mate :) its a way off, but I do fancy having a go one day :)
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Have a look at your local clubs Mike. Ham has a number of guns in its armoury set up specifically for HFT. If you can find a local club that offers the sport,your grinning!
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42x60 still sounds like a good round to me mate. :)
Mike, I reckon you could spend a little less than Kirky thinks. ;) A Weihrauch HW99 or HW50 is going to set you back around £200 brand new and a basic but descent scope for £50. Get a case and/or gun slip and some pellets and you're good to go. I do agree that you pretty much have to find a club though, preferably one with a full HFT course set up, but at least does HFT style shooting.
Aren't you two in, very roughly, the same neck of the woods? Or is my grasp of English Geography failing me? :think:
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BTW John, I'm loving the Bowler. :hatsoff:
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BTW John, I'm loving the Bowler. :hatsoff:
12th of July Gareth. Cultural stereotypes must be observed,and preferably satirised ;)
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BTW John, I'm loving the Bowler. :hatsoff:
12th of July Gareth. Cultural stereotypes must be observed,and preferably satirised ;)
And here's me thinking you just like a good hat. :D
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Funny thing is,it was actually a very good shooting hat! Might have to wear it again ;)
Oh,and by the by :twak:
I hadn't realised that new Weihrauchs could be had that cheap
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Funny thing is,it was actually a very good shooting hat! Might have to wear it again ;)
Oh,and by the by :twak:
I hadn't realised that new Weihrauchs could be had that cheap
:rofl: Yup, the HW99 is probably the best bang for buck rifle to be had IMO. Despite the relative light weight it's not got a heavy recoil as the piston is actually pretty small and light. My mate says that things like the 77 and 97 are designed to shoot at higher ft/lb but get tuned back for the UK market, right? Well, in order to reliably shoot at higher poundage then they've been made that chunk beefier, including bigger internal components like the piston. The HW99 and my HW57 on the other hand were designed from the ground up as lower poundage guns and so don't need the heavy internals. Light internals means the whole rifle can be lighter as there's not so much moving mass to contend with. At least, that's his theory. :D
Now I''m not going to argue that the 99 is a better gun the the 97, it's not. But at close to half the price, still having the Rekord trigger and Weihrauch barrel, it's a bloody good gun.
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42x60 still sounds like a good round to me mate. :)
Mike, I reckon you could spend a little less than Kirky thinks. ;) A Weihrauch HW99 or HW50 is going to set you back around £200 brand new and a basic but descent scope for £50. Get a case and/or gun slip and some pellets and you're good to go. I do agree that you pretty much have to find a club though, preferably one with a full HFT course set up, but at least does HFT style shooting.
Aren't you two in, very roughly, the same neck of the woods? Or is my grasp of English Geography failing me? :think:
We're not a million miles away but still a significant train journey I think???
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Look what I got to play with last night
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Wow! That is a great bit of kit! I bet it was a bit heavy though :)
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Wow! That is a great bit of kit! I bet it was a bit heavy though :)
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Wouldn't fancy lugging it around all day! I kinda upset its owner. He re joined he can't shoot it standing unsupported. Turns out I can >:D
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Now that's one I've not had the chance to play with. :tu: Did it do everything for you, or do you still actually have to know how to shoot? :D
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Now that's one I've not had the chance to play with. :tu: Did it do everything for you, or do you still actually have to know how to shoot? :D
Oh,you still need to know how to shoot it! In truth it's a bit like an iPhone. Very good,but not a lot of soul
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Its good to know there's still something to be said for talent and practice then! Mind you there's probably an app for that :D
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Now that's one I've not had the chance to play with. :tu: Did it do everything for you, or do you still actually have to know how to shoot? :D
Oh,you still need to know how to shoot it! In truth it's a bit like an iPhone. Very good,but not a lot of soul
That doesn't surprise me TBH. I feel the same way about a lot of the top end Daystate rifles.
One that has rather caught my eye but I've never had a chance to shoot is the Air Arms HFT500. It's seems to be just a tarted up S500, but it looks sweet to me. :dd:
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That does look the part mate :)
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That looks really heavy! 10 lbs?
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That looks really heavy! 10 lbs?
Don't know Robert,but it was a right tank,even compared to my HW97
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That looks really heavy! 10 lbs?
Don't know Robert,but it was a right tank,even compared to my HW97
11lbs apparently. Not including the scope of course. :D
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Hey Kirky, Jason Guthrie my local knifemaker/shooting/enduro riding buddy used to shoot the normal field target discipline.
He is my goto guy when it comes to air rifles, check WFTF Poland 2006.
Son of my buddy who owns the local shooting range.
He is now heavy into making knives and loves Spydies and SAKs almost as much as me ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQMhBVTV-Ug&safe=active
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Cool! I'm really surprised at the way the air rifle scene has come to life in SA since I left
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Licensing is no longer required so it's booming.
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Licensing is no longer required so it's booming.
Ah!
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Licensing is no longer required so it's booming.
And meanwhile slightly to the North......no bloody idea why we have to license air rifles >:(
Never could afford more than a crappy Daisy growing up, and now something slightly more than a toy will take up one of my 3 gun licenses >:(
Look what I got to play with last night
That's proper pretty :gimme: 8)
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After a very busy July where the only shooting I got to do was at the Meet-up I thought I'd better make sure all was good with my rifle before Sunday's competition, so I headed down to the indoor range for a bit on Friday. Well, there was nowt wrong with the gun, but flippin' heck I felt rusty! :ahhh I'm hoping it'll all come together tomorrow morning but I'm not holding my breath....
Wait, should I be holding my breath or not? :think:
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Pre match nerves mate that all :)
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Well, I had an excellent day at the comp yesterday; great course, well orgainised, good food, good weather. Shame I totally sucked. :D
On a happier note I went back to our indoor range this afternoon and sorted myself out. Realised that I'd forgotten that my rifle is pretty hold sensitive and, frankly, I'd been doing it wrong. :doh: What you get for taking a month off I guess. Even better my daughter had asked if she could come along and have a go. She was very well behaved and listened to all the rules and had a ball. She even shot pretty well once she'd worked out how to look through the scope (and after I remembered that the scope on the Brocock needed sighting in :whistle:) . She was regularly taking out the knockdown target at 35 yards and the 25 yard target stopped being any kind of challenge at all. Very proud daddy right now. 8)
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It COULD be that I have a new rifle on it's way to me. :whistle:
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Awesome looking rifle!!!
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That does look sweet. :tu:
What is the fps rating on that?
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Cheers gents. :tu: The deal isn't quite done yet but it should be finalised later today.
Dan, for the UK spec that should be somewhere in the region of 750fps or so.
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It COULD be that I have a new rifle on it's way to me. :whistle:
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Got the new rifle in today and I'm very pleased. Not in 100% pristine condition, but just fine for a user. Slapped a better scope on it and took it to the indoor range for some pellet testing. First glance suggests that, of the pellets I own, AA Fields are a good choice. I suspect it's a little down on power (even for a HW35), but it's not anything urgent I suspect. A bit of a service and change of the perishables might be in order in due course.
Felt very controlled and predictable (though the trigger needed lightening). Got to say it was nice to use a spring gun that actually put the pellets where I was aiming them. :D
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Congrats!!!! :2tu:
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Very nice mate :)
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That reminded me of something actually. In Canada, if you don't hold a PAL, you are restricted to a max of 500 fps. One of the reasons I wanted my PAL was to have something that could shoot higher. Oddly enough, I have yet to find anything locally that fits the bill. I guess most if not all folks who do get a PAL are for firearms and not for air-arms which might explain why I haven't seen anything higher powered locally.
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Got the chance to put it though a chronograph this morning and I was right, it is a little low on power. A nice consistent speed of 710fps with 8.4grain pellets giving me 9.4ftlb at the muzzle. I'd like it a little higher but it's OK for now and at least it's consistent.
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Well, this thread went a bit quiet didn't it? I don't know about John but I've had a very middling series of results. Not BAD, but nothing worth mentioning either. That is, until today. Today I finally placed well and came home with a medal. :woohoo: Tied for second in class but lost out on the coin toss so I got to bring home a bronze. Even better was that it was the last league competition of the year and so all the top shots in Scotland were out in force and I was only two points behind the winner. There were two friends of mine who both had bad days that I seem to have benefited from, but I'm not handing the medal over. :D
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Congratulations Gareth! Very well done!
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Cheers buddy. :cheers:
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I hadn't realised how long it's been since I updated :facepalm:
Forgive me if I can't remember dates and exact scores,because,with one exception,they've been really dire! Like embarising to the point of not wanting to talk about it!
Let's start at the Oaks and the Sussex Interclub. Although the Ultra was repaired,I thought after an OK shoot with the 97 at Horsham,I'd try and see if I could improve on my last score with the 97 at the Oaks. I might have,but after completely missing a 40yrd shot,it was all I could go to stop myself throwing the gun down range in anger. The problem with the 97 is you'll sting a half dozen good shots together,then it just goes wrong. Score was about 35x60. Bloody awful. That and my waterproofs leaked. Just bloody awful.
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Next shoot was at Ford. SIHFT again. Had to rezero the Ultra,which surprised me. After four plates,I realised everything was not doing what it should. On closer examination the action was sitting at a different angle in the stock. From then on I knew it was going to be random chance,and I just laughed my way around the course. It's a shame because not only was the sun out,and the sky blue,uniquely for Ford,there was no wind :facepalm:
Again,score was well below forty.
That evening,Tony fell off a ladder and broke his wrist....
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So that put us both out of the running for next few shoots.
There's another comp I'm missing,and I'm not sure where or when,except it must have been a few weeks after Tony done his wrist. His mum kindly took us down to Horsham for the combined SIHFT/Summer Champ round.
I struggled round in the low forties,Tony beat me,even with a wrist in plaster. It actually looked like he was on for a score up in the fifties,but I think pain and fatigue got by the 3/4 point,and his score dropped to the mid-forties.
I was sure my zero was out...I'd been constantly missing kills by small amounts.
At least it was dry and warm!
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I took the Ultra down to Ham to check zero on the September guest day. First five shots into a 5p sized target gave me a ragged 5p sized group. The second group done the same :facepalm:
The last shoot I did was at Swallows,with Tony's mum on driving duties again.
Lovely day,not much wind,warm and dry! Scored 49x60. Tony had reckoned I was on for a 55 at one stage. The north field mucked things up for me. Cross and head winds I can work with,but the breeze was coming from behind(no fart jokes please) and it just messed me up,as well as Tony,and the trio ahead of us.
Still,it should have been a gold,except some sod cleared the course :rant:
Yesterday was the last round of the Horsham Summer Champs. Didn't get to it,but I won the 22/recoiling class outright.
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Sounds like we've had similar seasons mate. ::) I've had two OK comps, one good one and the rest were bloody awful. Some were me making mistakes in set-up, others were me just not putting my best foot forward. Changing from PCP to recoiling half way through the season did me no favours either. Next year I'll be going into recoiling from the get go and I'm aiming to be in the top five.
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Gareth,it's a funny one for me. I've won three trophies,gotten two golds,some silvers,and also some truly smurfty results. My real goal was to try and raise my average score,and on that basis,it's been an utter fail!
What I have learnt,much to my ire,is that 1) how well I do is based mostly on what side of the bed I get out of; 2) those good days,when all the targets do go down,are less satisfying than the hard days; 3) I probably need psychiatric help!
Saying all that,the new season starts in earnest in November with the start of the 15/16 Southern Hunters. It also looks like I'll be running this years Night Shoots at Ham.
I'm surprised this thread has generated the number of replies and views that it has!
Role on the new season,and good luck Gareth!
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I think my real aim (if you'll pardon the pun) is to cut out the silly mistakes in set-up. Far too many times this year I've found something loose/misaligned/over pressure/dirty/too tight etc. etc. and all of it avoidable with a bit more care and attention on the day before the shoot.
The other thing is to not let one bad shot ruin my shooting for the rest of the round. I actually managed this on Sunday. I slipped on a supported standing shot and donutted it, when it was a pretty easy two and a absolute given for a single. :doh:
After a few choice colourful words I managed to settle down and knocked over a tiny 30 yard, elevated shot in a cross wind that two groups of PCP shooter who were in front of me were claiming was stuck and had wanted it pulled. I have to say that it rather put a smile back on my face when it fell over for me. :D
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I'm also rather happy to say that this is the end of the competition season in Scotland. From here on out it's all about having fun at my club, including a night shoot for Halloween. 8)
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I think my real aim (if you'll pardon the pun) is to cut out the silly mistakes in set-up. Far too many times this year I've found something loose/misaligned/over pressure/dirty/too tight etc. etc. and all of it avoidable with a bit more care and attention on the day before the shoot.
The other thing is to not let one bad shot ruin my shooting for the rest of the round. I actually managed this on Sunday. I slipped on a supported standing shot and donutted it, when it was a pretty easy two and a absolute given for a single. :doh:
After a few choice colourful words I managed to settle down and knocked over a tiny 30 yard, elevated shot in a cross wind that two groups of PCP shooter who were in front of me were claiming was stuck and had wanted it pulled. I have to say that it rather put a smile back on my face when it fell over for me. :D
It's always nice when that happens,isn't it >:D
One of the mind management thicks I've been working on is not looking at my score card. I realised that regardless how I was doing,it was putting me under more pressure. Now I just treat every shot as a shot.
Unless it's a bad day
Then I'll rant and rave :whistle:
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Yeah, I've been trying to ignore my score card as well, though I've not yet been totally successful. :whistle:
I've also been trying to slow down. You get two minutes at the peg and I'm a terrible habit of not using them. I've now built myself a nice little routine that gives myself a chance to settle into every shot. I've yet to shoot a competition where all the groups don't get bunched up anyway.
Whether it made a difference or not I don't know, but I did enjoy the fact that on Sunday I happened to be shooting with two other chaps with spring guns. Nice to be able to compare apples with apples as they say.
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Home shoot at Horsham on Sunday,and it ended up being just a perfect day! Score of 43x60 wasn't great,but I tied with Tony. It was just good being out in the woods,with the Ultra slung over my shoulder.
Was over at Ham earlier this evening. I put a new battery into my FWB 95. So I done my first bit of serious 10m pistol shooting in a few years. I'll post a pic of the targets tomorrow so we can all have a laugh :tu:
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The SussexInterclub ended with a 'fun shoot' at Horsham. Supposedly the ranges to the targets were marked,although,in Horshams best traditions,very few of the figures were true.
Final score was 44x60. Average,but considering another 22 shooter knocked in a 50...
Mind you,Tony had a good day with his new S400,scoring a 54.
And so one year ends.
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And another one begins...
Sunday was the first round of the 2015/16 Southern Hunters at the old RAF/FAA airbase at Ford Ranges. And in the best traditions of Ford,the wind whipped up! 41x60 didn't feel to bad,considering Tony done a 40, and the guys before us with the Daystate done a 42. Sadly top score in 22 was a fifty( although I have my doubts as to whether there wasn't some...pork pies involved)
For all that,I really enjoyed the shoot,which included the RAF doing an unscheduled fly past with a Chinook(and no,there were no bonus points for hitting it)
Tonight also seen the first round of the winter night shoots at Ham. Only one other regular showed up,but we had a probie join us. Rather than score it,we ran it as a fun shoot. It may have payed off. There's a few more probes interested in round two in December!
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Nice going John. :cheers:
My club had a Halloween night shoot on the appropriate night and I came home with a 29x40 (20 targets unsupported kneeling or standing only, no prone). Not a bad score but a ways from the top. :shrug: First time I'd ever done a night shoot and, while it was fun, it's not something I'd want to do a lot.
I also brought home the Doughnut trophy. Anyone who missed No17 had their name put in a hat and mine was the one drawn. Great. ::)
I've also invested a little money in a new scope: a Hawke Vantage 4-14x40. (http://www.hawkeoptics.co.uk/vantage-4-12x40-ao-mil-dot.html)
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It was round one of Horshams Winter Championship Sunday just gone.
Given that an autumn storm was blowing through,with 40mph winds being forecast,I wasn't certain there was much point in even getting out of bed,but HFT shooters arn't known for being sensible.
39x60 doesn't sound too good,but the winning score in class was 41! Even better,only two Open class shooters scored over 45!
As with last winter,this Championship uses a hunter format,so there's no easy shots,and do rules re target size/distance.
High point of the morning was a knock down on peg one. Mini target set ten metres up,in the Field of Tears,with the wind whipping in. Tony doughnutted, Don doughnutted,but the stubby guy with the stubby BSA knocked it down! I just rolled around on the ground laughing!
Great morning!
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Nice going John. :cheers:
My club had a Halloween night shoot on the appropriate night and I came home with a 29x40 (20 targets unsupported kneeling or standing only, no prone). Not a bad score but a ways from the top. :shrug: First time I'd ever done a night shoot and, while it was fun, it's not something I'd want to do a lot.
I also brought home the Doughnut trophy. Anyone who missed No17 had their name put in a hat and mine was the one drawn. Great. ::)
I've also invested a little money in a new scope: a Hawke Vantage 4-14x40. (http://www.hawkeoptics.co.uk/vantage-4-12x40-ao-mil-dot.html)
How's the Hawke working out G?
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High point of the morning was a knock down on peg one. Mini target set ten metres up,in the Field of Tears,with the wind whipping in. Tony doughnutted, Don doughnutted,but the stubby guy with the stubby BSA knocked it down! I just rolled around on the ground laughing!
Great morning!
Awesome. :tu:
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High point of the morning was a knock down on peg one. Mini target set ten metres up,in the Field of Tears,with the wind whipping in. Tony doughnutted, Don doughnutted,but the stubby guy with the stubby BSA knocked it down! I just rolled around on the ground laughing!
Great morning!
Awesome. :tu:
Sometimes all it takes is a win at the right point :tu:
also, gloating is the best
:rofl:
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High point of the morning was a knock down on peg one. Mini target set ten metres up,in the Field of Tears,with the wind whipping in. Tony doughnutted, Don doughnutted,but the stubby guy with the stubby BSA knocked it down! I just rolled around on the ground laughing!
Great morning!
Awesome. :tu:
Sometimes all it takes is a win at the right point :tu:
also, gloating is the best
:rofl:
Nothing feels better than beating your friends. :D Sounds like a great day out mate. :cheers:
Nice going John. :cheers:
My club had a Halloween night shoot on the appropriate night and I came home with a 29x40 (20 targets unsupported kneeling or standing only, no prone). Not a bad score but a ways from the top. :shrug: First time I'd ever done a night shoot and, while it was fun, it's not something I'd want to do a lot.
I also brought home the Doughnut trophy. Anyone who missed No17 had their name put in a hat and mine was the one drawn. Great. ::)
I've also invested a little money in a new scope: a Hawke Vantage 4-14x40. (http://www.hawkeoptics.co.uk/vantage-4-12x40-ao-mil-dot.html)
How's the Hawke working out G?
I've got to admit that November has been a bit of a write-off as far as shooting's gone. :-[ I've had a virus that's just knocked me for six for a couple of weeks and had other stuff to do on the weekends anyway. Still, I have managed to shoot with it a couple of times and so far so good. :tu:
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Well I managed to get in a round at the club today and so far I'm very happy with the new scope. For one thing it had sat idle for a good 5-6 weeks and been bumped around in it's hard case and it was still spot on for it's zero. Other than the ground being frozen solid it was a near perfect day for shooting and I was very happy with a 50x60. It did take me 7 or so targets to get my eye in and remember how to shoot though. :doh: After that it was plain sailing and it was only a couple of positional shots that let me down.
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Well I managed to get in a round at the club today and so far I'm very happy with the new scope. For one thing it had sat idle for a good 5-6 weeks and been bumped around in it's hard case and it was still spot on for it's zero. Other than the ground being frozen solid it was a near perfect day for shooting and I was very happy with a 50x60. It did take me 7 or so targets to get my eye in and remember how to shoot though. :doh: After that it was plain sailing and it was only a couple of positional shots that let me down.
50 is a good day at the office!
Speaking of positionals,I may,finally have unsupported kneeler so sussed. Watch this space!
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Update...
Southern Hunters Round 3
I'd high hopes for this one! West London Rangers is where I'd score 50(and a Gold) last season,and I traditionally do fairly well there. Despite the tail end of storm winds,it wasn't a bad shooting day. I didn't do anything too wrong,but still ended up on a fairly miserable 41x60 :think:
Either at some point soon,something is going to click,or I'll have to accept if not that good :shrug:
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Over the weekend Tony kindly fitted a new air chamber to the Ultra. The new one is from the Scorpion,kinda the Ultras big brother. All being well,it'll give me 45 shot to a fill,over the currant 35-6.
Only problem is,I need to recheck the power level,and I can't get my Combro CB625 to play ball. If any of you are any good with one,drop me a PM.
Upshot was I had to take the 97 out of mothballs for this evenings night shoot at Ham.
Ended up winning overall with 25x30. I thought I was in trouble after plating the first five targets,but once I got my grove going...
Always nice beating PCP shooters with a springer >:D
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Well I managed to get in a round at the club today and so far I'm very happy with the new scope. For one thing it had sat idle for a good 5-6 weeks and been bumped around in it's hard case and it was still spot on for it's zero. Other than the ground being frozen solid it was a near perfect day for shooting and I was very happy with a 50x60. It did take me 7 or so targets to get my eye in and remember how to shoot though. :doh: After that it was plain sailing and it was only a couple of positional shots that let me down.
50 is a good day at the office!
Speaking of positionals,I may,finally have unsupported kneeler so sussed. Watch this space!
Definitely glad I topped the 50, but still aware that it could have been better. ;) Given that I'd not shot in a month and I didn't give myself any kind of warm-up the fact I didn't have my eye in on the first 10 is forgivable I think. Adding to that I still need to confirm my new aim points and write up my range card. Still, it give me a real confidence boost that everything is working well.
Over the weekend Tony kindly fitted a new air chamber to the Ultra. The new one is from the Scorpion,kinda the Ultras big brother. All being well,it'll give me 45 shot to a fill,over the currant 35-6.
Only problem is,I need to recheck the power level,and I can't get my Combro CB625 to play ball. If any of you are any good with one,drop me a PM.
Upshot was I had to take the 97 out of mothballs for this evenings night shoot at Ham.
Ended up winning overall with 25x30. I thought I was in trouble after plating the first five targets,but once I got my grove going...
Always nice beating PCP shooters with a springer >:D
Top job mate. :hatsoff:
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What's not playing ball with the Combro?
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What's not playing ball with the Combro?
It's not registering any shots. It's not even kicking up a fault reading
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What's not playing ball with the Combro?
It's not registering any shots. It's not even kicking up a fault reading
I can ask my mate if he's got any ideas.
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What's not playing ball with the Combro?
It's not registering any shots. It's not even kicking up a fault reading
I can ask my mate if he's got any ideas.
:salute:
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I've not used one but having had a look at the website there isn't any 'crud' blocking the led's or the receivers is there?
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I've not used one but having had a look at the website there isn't any 'crud' blocking the led's or the receivers is there?
That would be my first thought as well, that it's not 'seeing' the pellet for some reason. I've emailed my mate who is a big fan to see if he's got any bright ideas.
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I've not used one but having had a look at the website there isn't any 'crud' blocking the led's or the receivers is there?
That would be my first thought as well, that it's not 'seeing' the pellet for some reason. I've emailed my mate who is a big fan to see if he's got any bright ideas.
Yeah,very possible. I'll be having a look at that tonight
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OK, here's some ideas from my man:
As to the Combro, three thoughts. Before doing anything else, change the batteries. The Combro absolutely eats them and when they start to run low it goes haywire in all sorts of unpredictable ways. I now take the batteries out if I’m not going to be using them for more than a few day. Second, use the proper alignment tool – don’t try to line it up by eye, or with any makeshifts. Finally, make sure there are no artificial light sources whatever anywhere near the thing, neither fluorescent, nor ordinary incandescent. I can’t stress this too much, whatever the instructions may say.
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OK, here's some ideas from my man:
As to the Combro, three thoughts. Before doing anything else, change the batteries. The Combro absolutely eats them and when they start to run low it goes haywire in all sorts of unpredictable ways. I now take the batteries out if I’m not going to be using them for more than a few day. Second, use the proper alignment tool – don’t try to line it up by eye, or with any makeshifts. Finally, make sure there are no artificial light sources whatever anywhere near the thing, neither fluorescent, nor ordinary incandescent. I can’t stress this too much, whatever the instructions may say.
My thanks to you and your man...I think there's a winner in there...artificial light :facepalm:
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OK, here's some ideas from my man:
As to the Combro, three thoughts. Before doing anything else, change the batteries. The Combro absolutely eats them and when they start to run low it goes haywire in all sorts of unpredictable ways. I now take the batteries out if I’m not going to be using them for more than a few day. Second, use the proper alignment tool – don’t try to line it up by eye, or with any makeshifts. Finally, make sure there are no artificial light sources whatever anywhere near the thing, neither fluorescent, nor ordinary incandescent. I can’t stress this too much, whatever the instructions may say.
My thanks to you and your man...I think there's a winner in there...artificial light :facepalm:
Lets hope it's as simple as that then. Let us know how you get along. :tu:
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
I'd forgotten about the Superstar. That's the one with the rotary breach, right?
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
I'd forgotten about the Superstar. That's the one with the rotary breach, right?
Yeah. Because she's a 22,I can still use her despite her being a springer. Besides,I love shooting her :D
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
I'd forgotten about the Superstar. That's the one with the rotary breach, right?
Yeah. Because she's a 22,I can still use her despite her being a springer. Besides,I love shooting her :D
So you'll still be shooting in the .22 class? Interesting. Here, I think, a spring gun would put you in the Recoiling class, no matter what the calibre.
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
I'd forgotten about the Superstar. That's the one with the rotary breach, right?
Yeah. Because she's a 22,I can still use her despite her being a springer. Besides,I love shooting her :D
So you'll still be shooting in the .22 class? Interesting. Here, I think, a spring gun would put you in the Recoiling class, no matter what the calibre.
Yeah...I've done this in the past when the Ultra was on the fritz. I think they just look at it and go,balls,recoiling,and 22 ballistics? :rofl:
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Will do :tu:
I think it'll be the SuperStar on duty on Sunday :think:
I'd forgotten about the Superstar. That's the one with the rotary breach, right?
Yeah. Because she's a 22,I can still use her despite her being a springer. Besides,I love shooting her :D
So you'll still be shooting in the .22 class? Interesting. Here, I think, a spring gun would put you in the Recoiling class, no matter what the calibre.
Yeah...I've done this in the past when the Ultra was on the fritz. I think they just look at it and go,balls,recoiling,and 22 ballistics? :rofl:
So you basically get written off as having no chance. ;) I did try and do a comp with .177 Bisley Magnums which are pretty close to the average .22 in terms of weight. The HW35 loves the things and shots them extremely well, but the loopy trajectory totally mucked me up.
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Well,Sunday was fun :whistle:
I hadn't expected to be doing the Southern Hunters round at Mile Oak,but none the less,early Sunday there we were.
I took both the Ultra and the Superstar as a fall back.
Just as well,as we may have had to put the chrono on the Ultra,and may have had to do some very very quick adjustments to the power level...may have,you understand,it's not to say we did :angel:
For all that something wasn't right. When the comp started shots were dropping 6-8 inches low!
With a score of 2x6 after three targets,it just wasn't worth continuing...
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Well,Sunday was fun :whistle:
I hadn't expected to be doing the Southern Hunters round at Mile Oak,but none the less,early Sunday there we were.
I took both the Ultra and the Superstar as a fall back.
Just as well,as we may have had to put the chrono on the Ultra,and may have had to do some very very quick adjustments to the power level...may have,you understand,it's not to say we did :angel:
For all that something wasn't right. When the comp started shots were dropping 6-8 inches low!
With a score of 2x6 after three targets,it just wasn't worth continuing...
Riiiight. ;)
Sorry to hear something's still not right though. As you are very aware I've had more than enough rifle problems over the last 12 months and it actually feels weird not to be having to tinker with something all the time.
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Well,ibe got two sessions at the club coming up on Sunday and Monday to get the adjustments done. I'm also thinking I'm going to put the Nikko Sterling half mildly scope on as well,get all the upgrades sorted in one fell swoop.
I ended up getting the Superstar out on Sunday,and completed the course with that,albeit not recording a score. Took six or so shots to get used to the recoil cycle again,but once I took a 25yrd,one inch kill,having to shoot through a pipe,things improved,and to be honest,I started to enjoy my morning again! Taking the free standers and kneelers really helped put a smile on my face >:D
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As far as I'm concerned having fun is the main aim of the sport. Mind you, winning is nice too.....so I'm told anyway.
Of course I've now got the urge to go and tinker with the HW57 again, just to see if I can get it grouping like I think it should. :facepalm:
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Test and evaluation day...
Result: never break the Jerry Burgess law!
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Test and evaluation day...
Result: never break the Jerry Burgess law!
That is completely cool!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
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Test and evaluation day...
Result: never break the Jerry Burgess law!
That is completely cool!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
We'll find out about that next Sunday,but thanks anyway :tu:
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Test and evaluation day...
Result: never break the Jerry Burgess law!
That is completely cool!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
We'll find out about that next Sunday,but thanks anyway :tu:
Looks good mate, hope it shoots as good as it looks :tu:
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Test and evaluation day...
Result: never break the Jerry Burgess law!
That is completely cool!!!! :cheers: :cheers:
We'll find out about that next Sunday,but thanks anyway :tu:
Looks good mate, hope it shoots as good as it looks :tu:
Yeah me too! I checked my aim points,and they're pretty much still on. But next Sunday is Southern Hunters at Malden And District(aka MAD) one of the two most difficult courses in the Southerns :ahhh
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Looking good John. :cheers:
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Oh dear! Ive got two and a half months of bad results to catch up on here....
But in the meantime,I picked up my new Walther Century yesterday! :woohoo:
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Oh dear! Ive got two and a half months of bad results to catch up on here....
But in the meantime,I picked up my new Walther Century yesterday! :woohoo:
Oooh, I liked the look of the Century. :drool: Any particular reason for picking that over the other options?
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Oh dear! Ive got two and a half months of bad results to catch up on here....
But in the meantime,I picked up my new Walther Century yesterday! :woohoo:
Oooh, I liked the look of the Century. :drool: Any particular reason for picking that over the other options?
Nothing logical :D
It was a two horse race between the HW99 and the Century. Logic was dictating the 99,as was price,but,I liked the stubby nature of the Century,and I spoke to a guy who has a Terius,and he couldn't praise it highly enough. Oh,and the Century has a positive lock on the breech
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Still seems like a good choice to me John. My mate's "go-to" competition gun is a Walther LGV and it's a cracker. He's currently making a new stock for it hence the HW98 and HW77 getting brought out yesterday.