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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Grass on October 23, 2015, 01:50:12 AM
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This appeared on my Facebook this morning; not sure what to make of it... seem to be a few moderately simple models of SAK...
http://www.swiza.com/
Models like this one - http://www.swiza.com/en/Products/Knives/SWIZA-D04-2.html - D04 - seem to have some sort of lock blade; 75mm blade so perhaps around 90mm overall?
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Meh. Looks like someone should stick to making clocks..... ::)
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Looks like these were announced literally yesterday.
http://huntinglife.com/swiza-reinvents-the-swiss-knife/
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A legend reborn: SWIZA reinvents the Swiss Knife
Switzerland has a new knife! The legendary Swiss Knife has been given a redesign for the first time in decades. The result is a unique creation manufactured and assembled in the Jura, restoring the status of the local cutlery industry. It is unveiled today as a world exclusive in Lausanne and Zurich by SWIZA, a brand with a history spanning over 110 years and an established reputation in watchmaking circles. The new Swiss knife successfully couples the contemporary design conceived by a Zurich-based company with a number of technical innovations; note particularly the blade-locking system and easier access to the tools for both right- and left-handers. The knife is available in four Jura-inspired colors: Bright Red, Husky Eye Blue, Snow White and Graphite Black.
Manufacturing expertise from the Jura, design flair from Zurich
The tradition of cutlery-making is part of the Jura’s industrial history and SWIZA is proud to give it a new lease on life with consummate style. The brainchild of the brand’s executive team based in Delémont and designed by estragon, a product design company in Zurich. The new knife was prototyped and is being produced in the Swiss canton of Jura by speSmurfpillsts accomplished in the expertise and high quality standards inherent in the “Swiss-made” epithet, the pocket knife represents time-honored tradition and modernity in perfect synthesis.
Ingenious and indispensable
The sense of playful mischief in the knife’s bold curves, materials, and colors has immediate appeal. Meanwhile the ergonomic shape of the handle offers an intuitive grip facilitated by an extremely durable non-slip texture. The curved shape enables direct access to the tools, which are perforated for easy opening. The Swiss Cross—symbol of the brand—is ingeniously built into the handle and is far more than an identifying feature: it guarantees the user greater safety with a blade-lock system unprecedented in a knife of this size.
Up to eleven functions in total
In addition to the extra-robust blade manufactured of stainless steel 440 and hardened to
57 HRc, other practical and cleverly designed tools make this knife an essential everyday companion. There is a five-turn sommelier cork screw, a flat-head and a Phillips screwdriver, a punch and an awl with a perfect cutting edge. Some styles also include a universal bottle opener, a can opener and tweezers with beveled tips for the utmost precision. The knife is available in four versions offering four to six tools to meet the individual needs of every user.
Swiza: a brand on the up
With Peter Hug and Florian Lachat at the helm, 2015 marks the start of a new chapter for SWIZA. The Jura-based company has a new identity on the strength of which it has launched two new business lines with a comprehensive collection of wrissmurfches and luggage. Swiza was founded in 1904 and to date has focused on developing and producing watch movements, alarm clocks and table clocks. Now its sights are set firmly on the future and several more versions of its new knife are in the pipeline. All will be revealed soon.
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From the Jura region. Wonder if some ex-Wenger people are involved?
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I believe Peter Hug was Wenger CEO.
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Yes he was, confirmed on google. That leads me to think Vic will have competition.
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I like this new style. It'll be interesting to see what the rest of the lineup looks like.
(http://www.swiza.com/Htdocs/Images/IF_Products/18158.jpg)
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I just ordered one direct from Swiza. 20 Swiss Franks (about $21) shipping to US.
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I just ordered one direct from Swiza. 20 Swiss Franks (about $21) shipping to US.
How much was shipping? Let us know how long it takes to get it.
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I just ordered one direct from Swiza. 20 Swiss Franks (about $21) shipping to US.
How much was shipping? Let us know how long it takes to get it.
That was the shipping. ;)
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Shipping was 20 Swiss Francs not Franks($21)
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Very cool! I think there is plenty of room for another Swiss knife brand, especially if former Wenger people are involved. I also like the idea of having both traditional and modern versions available to use or collect - not unlike alox and cellidor. It's cool that these are not just repackaged Wenger Rangers - the single back layer tool and single scale tool (tweezer) are a nice touch, and putting the awl back up in the main layer is neat, since that's what the Soldier's had.
I might have preferred a little "fancier" inlaid, metallic cross emblem, though.
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I just ordered one direct from Swiza. 20 Swiss Franks (about $21) shipping to US.
You have to post some side-by-side pics with comparable Alox and Cellidor versions!
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Never an association with the Swiss Army so are these really SAKs? Maybe SK's (Swiss Knives).
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I'm glad to see some competition but the styling seems kind of feminine. I would have liked a tougher look with metal or alox handles. These look like a futuristic prototype from victorinox. I mean the d40 is basically a tinker with an awl in place of the small blade. I do love the button lock but I think I'm going to stick with the smaller 84mm vics for now. I wish they would have tried to disassociate from the "classic swiss army knife" and brought something new to table. Something without smooth plastic scales, a pen knife, and a backside Phillips. These are just restyled vics. And I don't want someone to think I got my knife as a free gift from a make up company. Even the name swiza sounds like a refreshing sparkling water. Eh.
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I look forward to seeing what people make of them when they arrive... open minded. What's the quality like? The overall dimensions? The usability? The lock mechanism? The snap? Etc.
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... with a comprehensive collection of wrissmurfches ...
:rofl:
My first thought was that Victorinox might be involved in this somehow. Seeing ex-Wenger people are in this too, that thought becomes more plausible. After all, it's a cunning -albeit risky- plan, competeting with yourself. Like here, until a few years back beer consumers were mostly divided in two camps, Heineken or Amstel, both brands being owned by the same company.
I like that Swiza thing, it looks like a revamped Vic. What I don't like is the :fugly: can opener
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Definately not Vic. I imagine Wenger's former CEO was like: "Silly Victorinox, firing me and my brilliant ideas. I'll show them and make a better knife with French-speakers, nicer steels and all the things I think saks need improving upon. We can even shove a white cross on it, use an existing watch maker and we can ride the Swiss coat-tails."
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/148979/3900673-0748244656-)
I think Vic had enough competition with the Chinese, Leatherman, Gerber, SOG and now Emerson Multitasker and Boker Magnum. Let alone the drop in knife sales and the laws and airplane regulations getting stricter and stricter.
Vic does have its flaws (softish steel, no modern scales options, hard to clean, iffy locking/unlocking system, no belt clips, awful lights, awful lighters, no wrenches etc.). I just fail to see how this is an improvement on anything Vic ever did. To me it looks like a Chinese kid redesigned the Vic 111
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
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Definately not Vic. I imagine Wenger's former CEO was like: "Silly Victorinox, firing me and my brilliant ideas. I'll show them and make a better knife with French-speakers, nicer steels and all the things I think saks need improving upon. We can even shove a white cross on it, use an existing watch maker and we can ride the Swiss coat-tails."
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/148979/3900673-0748244656-)
:D :D :rofl:
I can see why you call it a hipsterised Victorinox and part of me agrees. Another part of me also agrees that there's no real need for more pocket knife makers :shrug:
I see this as a modern folder that has drawn conclusions from Vic's success (and copied/tweaked a few things in the process).
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I like it!
Im looking forward to the first reviews! :popcorn:
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Not for me, I will stick to what has served me so well fo the last 20 odd years.
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
I am pretty sure the blades on a SAK are inline with 440 instead of 420.
That's us mobile.
Nate
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
I am pretty sure the blades on a SAK are inline with 440 instead of 420.
That's us mobile.
Nate
Well Vic uses X50CrMO steel hardened at 55-56 HRC.
I'm no speSmurfpillst on this, but I understood it falls between 420HC and 440A, it's the heat treatment that makes it stand out. It takes a good edge and nearly never rusts but it's miles behind modern steels.
http://www.pizzini.at/info_sak_engl.htm#Steelinfo
https://www.victorinox.com/medias/sys_master/8869928075294/CutleryINFO.pdf
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
HRC is 57. Victorinox is ~56. So this is a small improvement, as long as they sharpen as easily as the Vics.
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Hardness is not toughness is not abrasion resistance is not... DIN 1.4110 is old hat, but saying steel A is better than steel B, without any sort of context, is rarely informative at all. Personally, I'd rather have properly treated 440A than properly treated 440C in an "all-round" knife, because I don't like broken or chipped blades, while someone who wants to cut soft materials for a long time without having to sharpen the blade would obviously prefer 440C. (There is simply too much carbon and chromium in 440C, especially given that it isn't a PM steel.) I have seen at least one French knife manufacturer moving from very cheap steel A to another cheap steel, where steel A was more wear resistant given their heat treatment, but their customers prefered ease of sharpening. The current marketing trend in the US seems to be more (both more of each and a higher number of) alloy elements, higher HRC, and not caring too much about all the other factors which are harder to quantify in a meaningful way. You can get lovely knives with ridiculously cheap steel, it just isn't a useful marketing argument. And for hard use, several cheap steels utterly outperform popular high-end steels. There's a reason a Busse doesn't contain a lot of carbon...
Another problem with steels only identified by their standard number is the allowed variation means you know very little what you actually get, then factor in the problems with heat treatment and you end up with buying knives is a huge trust exercise.
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
HRC is 57. Victorinox is ~56. So this is a small improvement, as long as they sharpen as easily as the Vics.
Yeah, but it's not only strength and sharpening that make a good knife steel. It's also how well it can hold an edge, how easy is it to bend instead of snap, will it microchip, will it rust easily, how does it react to heat and acids... that we can only see in time...
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
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Hey, they're actually dishwasher safe? That's cool! Really nice if using them for messy food.
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
^^^ Now, that was mean! :rofl:
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
^^^ Now, that was mean! :rofl:
They won't. Wenger was well known knife company and had a long history in Switzerland.
That's us mobile.
Nate
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
^^^ Now, that was mean! :rofl:
They won't. Wenger was well known knife company and had a long history in Switzerland.
That's us mobile.
Nate
You never know. Maybe they become incredibly popular in no time :shrug: I don't think they will, I'm just saying.
:rofl: :rofl:
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
I think they were buying the trademark "The Genuine Swiss Army Knife" more than anything else.
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These look interesting but I will stick with my well-proven and tested Victorinox :salute:
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If they innovate like wenger did with interesting tools, they MIGHT carve out a niche. But since Victorinox has been THE tool for 125 years... good luck with that. :D
If it was my company Id target a high end niche market. Do high end blade steels and finishes. People want that.
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Interesting. No scissors or pliers. Those moving parts are expensive and hard to make well. Makes sense to not have them when first starting out.
My only concern is if Swiza fails. Victorinox already bought one of Peter Hug's companies (Wenger) to keep it from being bought out by the Chinese. I don't think Vic would buy another company off him.
I think they were buying the trademark "The Genuine Swiss Army Knife" more than anything else.
So the Vic Delemont line is a result of buying the trademark?
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I assume, if they sell enough knives, they will incorporate more tools. Victorinox is only know considering scissors on alox. :D
I assume people just do not like the idea of having the cross and swiss branding on a new company.
I am reminded of GEC, who in 2006, was started by ex employees of Queen?, and has now carved a niche market, mixing tradition with new ideas for those willing to pay the premium.
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I think we need more threads on this topic >:D >:D >:D
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
mmm I'm not going to get into the Chinese smurf, if you think Chinese 440 is actual 440C then ???
One of the best knife makers in the world about 440c jayfisher.com
they say the hardness is 57, which is a lot harder than vic, and you can read how much better 440 is than 420 on any steel page.
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Soft touch grip, nice modern style, good steel. I'm ordering one. :mail:
To each his own.. I still have to find out what makes an undistinct 440 steel "good".
Vic uses a choppy 420 but it's been heat-treated insanely well and it's been tried and tested.
440 is what every China SAK is saying for a decade... unless it gives detailed info on type of 440, HRC, composition and steel mill, I'm not convinced...
mmm I'm not going to get into the Chinese smurf, if you think Chinese 440 is actual 440C then ???
One of the best knife makers in the world about 440c jayfisher.com
they say the hardness is 57, which is a lot harder than vic, and you can read how much better 440 is than 420 on any steel page.
Corwin is correct, unless it says "440C", it could be 440A or 440B...decent steels if heat treated properly but 440C is different and never (in my experience) listed as just "440" in ads/specs.
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I think we need more threads on this topic >:D >:D >:D
This was the first thread! The original Swiza swiss army knife thread! Or the original Swiza swiss army knife that is not a swiss army knife thread!
This is proving quite controversial. Which I find strange while we do not even have one in our hands yet.
On the commercial side, I think the biggest threat to the ongoing success of Victorinox is the same as a lot of other industries (think cars, mobile phones etc). Chinese or others eventually mimicking designs, with an indifference to western legal protections like patents, to the point of producing a product that is so similar in quality that the consumer happily takes the cheaper price.
I do not see Swiza as anywhere near this level of threat. It's another Swiss made, relatively high price point product. My punt is that Swiza will either find a niche place or sink while Victorinox will continue. No doubt Victorinox would have known it was coming, too - it's a small sak world! At best, some competition in sak innovation could be fantastic - for example, the availability of more lock mechanisms in smaller saks could be a good thing, even though some dislike it it has legality issues in some jurisdictions.
So anyway... here's looking forward to the first reviews! :)
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If they innovate like wenger did with interesting tools, they MIGHT carve out a niche. But since Victorinox has been THE tool for 125 years... good luck with that. :D
If it was my company Id target a high end niche market. Do high end blade steels and finishes. People want that.
I think they could target the custom market.
Knives with flexible configurations.
Bad for your business, but something like SOG and his customizable multitools...
Screws and different type of compatible layers
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I think we need more threads on this topic >:D >:D >:D
This was the first thread! The original Swiza swiss army knife thread! Or the original Swiza swiss army knife that is not a swiss army knife thread!
Many years later, if Swiza were to become popular worldwide, forumers looking for info about the brand will ask why there are two threads on Swiza. The moderators here will have to step in and state for the record that both are legit, and declare this thread as "The Original Swiza Thread" and the other as "The Genuine Swiza Thread".
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I think we need more threads on this topic >:D >:D >:D
This was the first thread! The original Swiza swiss army knife thread! Or the original Swiza swiss army knife that is not a swiss army knife thread!
Many years later, if Swiza were to become popular worldwide, forumers looking for info about the brand will ask why there are two threads on Swiza. The moderators here will have to step in and state for the record that both are legit, and declare this thread as "The Original Swiza Thread" and the other as "The Genuine Swiza Thread".
:facepalm:
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Swiza is a very welcome addition to the SAK market. Victorinox desperately needs a qualified competitor.
I would like them to return to the innovative mode from their haydays of the 70-80'. It was a long time ago since they added any new modern tools or patterns to the SAKs.
The small screwdriver in the corkscrew and the cybertool driver are the latest and thats like 25 years ago.
I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
I hope Swiza will step up and push Victorinox and also bring some good stuff of their own.
As a SAK lover how can you not like a new SWISS brand of SAK style knives.
Ergonomics and locking blades are stuff that I've seen many forumites have asked for.
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Swiza is a very welcome addition to the SAK market. Victorinox desperately needs a qualified competitor.
I would like them to return to the innovative mode from their haydays of the 70-80'. It was a long time ago since they added any new modern tools or patterns to the SAKs.
The small screwdriver in the corkscrew and the cybertool driver are the latest and thats like 25 years ago.
I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
I hope Swiza will step up and push Victorinox and also bring some good stuff of their own.
As a SAK lover how can you not like a new SWISS brand of SAK style knives.
Ergonomics and locking blades are stuff that I've seen many forumites have asked for.
Yep. I plan on keping a close eye on this brand, because a 91mm SAK with a good lock, OHO blade and good scissors is my dream knife. Even better with a Vic style metal file, but I can settle for a nail file.
If the lock is of good strength, and the rest of the tools are on par with Victorinox (or even just a notch below) quality, I can see this really doing well, especially in Germany, where locking two hand blades are legal.
Maybe if we are really lucky, these will be easily modable, and I can add a Vic file and scissors
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I have ordered a D02.
Cant wait to see it in the flesh!
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I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.
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I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.
I agree that traditional cans are not yet extinct... still most people own more than one tool, so there is really no need for every one of them having a can-opener.
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I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.
I agree that traditional cans are not yet extinct... still most people own more than one tool, so there is really no need for every one of them having a can-opener.
I've had mixed feelings about can openers but some of my favorite foods still require them. Still, it seems every SAK and/or MT includes them and they can get a little redundant.
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Well another thing against can openers is that few people carry cans on hikes when dry freeze food is an option. At least they should have options without them and offer some more useful EDC Items for us. It was years ago since I used a can opener outside my home.
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I just use them to peel oranges :D
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Here, the only cans with pull rings is the dog food...everything else is a standard can. Before I bought a Vic kitchen can opener, I was using the opener on my knife 2+ times a week.
Besides, the opener got me out of a jam with a stuck package.
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I'm not saying it's impossible to find use for a can opener but I never carry cans outside my kitchen and even if i didn't own a real can opener, all the brands i purchase like Heinz, Bonduelle, green giant have pullrings. On a hike I sure will not ever carry cans when dry freeze is an option with less than 1/10 of the weight.
When the SAK was invented the soldiers got rations in cans. I don't. I use drivers and such daily and would prefer a better reach driver, in line awl, package opener, micro philips of 58 mm or some other invention that is more of a modern EDC item.
I feel the same about corkscrews. They are not EDC worthy items.
I think Victorinox can keep models with the classic tool set but I don't understand why not offer other options.
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I'm interested to hear reviews and see how these knives fare in their own right (as opposed to direct comparisons with Victorinox etc).
Will I get one? Not yet. I'll wait till they start having a go at incorporating scissors before I consider trying them out
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I mean do we need can opener on basically all models when cans without pull rings are close to extinct, just as example? Room for a new impoved tool.
This is mentioned often, and I assume it must be something that varies by country. In the UK it's definitely not true. I had a quick look through my food cupboards and found about half the canned goods had no ring pulls. Branded stuff like Heinz soup has ring pulls, but supermarket own-brand products, canned vegetables etc mostly don't.
Pull tabs arent common here either. All of the cans I have are normal can opener style.
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Speaking of cans, I hate the pull tabs because they leave a rim around the can and it's frickin' impossible to scrap everything out. :poh: But it doesn't really matter since all the cans I buy need an opener. Everyone talks about pull tabs on cans but I rarely see them. It must be a European thing. :) But even if the can had a pull tab I'd use a can opener so I could get everything out of the can.
The can opener is a great little tool besides opening cans. It can be used for popping open watch cases, and to open up packages (not clamshell packages, but I use the awl for those). But most importantly, its an extra blade which offers more utility; it makes an excellent scraper. Better for me to use that for scraping tasks than the main blade.
But back on topic; despite the cheekiness in my first post, I hope Swiza finds success.
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Speaking of cans, I hate the pull tabs because they leave a rim around the can and it's frickin' impossible to scrap everything out. :poh: But it doesn't really matter since all the cans I buy need an opener. Everyone talks about pull tabs on cans but I rarely see them. It must be a European thing. :) But even if the can had a pull tab I'd use a can opener so I could get everything out of the can.
But back on topic; despite the cheekiness in my first post, I hope Swiza finds success.
It surprises me since I dont buy much cans but when I do most are american brands like: Heinz, Green Giant, Campbell soup and so on... All of those use pull cans.
Do they use old style opening on the home market?
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Speaking of cans, I hate the pull tabs because they leave a rim around the can and it's frickin' impossible to scrap everything out. :poh: But it doesn't really matter since all the cans I buy need an opener. Everyone talks about pull tabs on cans but I rarely see them. It must be a European thing. :) But even if the can had a pull tab I'd use a can opener so I could get everything out of the can.
But back on topic; despite the cheekiness in my first post, I hope Swiza finds success.
It surprises me since I dont buy much cans but when I do most are american brands like: Heinz, Green Giant, Campbell soup and so on... All of those use pull cans.
Do they use old style opening on the home market?
Store brands are often 3/4 to 1/2 the price of the big brands and they rarely have pull tabs. This allows me to buy more knives with openers to open them with! :2tu:
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Yup i have all those brands and they are not pull tab.
Ok everyone post up your canned goods shelf pics lol
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Speaking of cans, I hate the pull tabs because they leave a rim around the can and it's frickin' impossible to scrap everything out. :poh: But it doesn't really matter since all the cans I buy need an opener. Everyone talks about pull tabs on cans but I rarely see them. It must be a European thing. :) But even if the can had a pull tab I'd use a can opener so I could get everything out of the can.
But back on topic; despite the cheekiness in my first post, I hope Swiza finds success.
It surprises me since I dont buy much cans but when I do most are american brands like: Heinz, Green Giant, Campbell soup and so on... All of those use pull cans.
Do they use old style opening on the home market?
Store brands are often 3/4 to 1/2 the price of the big brands and they rarely have pull tabs. This allows me to buy more knives with openers to open them with! :2tu:
You got the priorities right then :D
I am ordering a red Swiza D04 right now with a can opener :rant: so I will go out of my way to find an old style can here to test it on.
I guess I´ll have to find some Ucranian saurkraut or something to do that here.
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SWIZA
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Going to use it for the last week of the OBC
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Going to use it for the last week of the OBC
That was fast!!!
Any first impressions?
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Going to use it for the last week of the OBC
Any first impressions??
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Yup i have all those brands and they are not pull tab.
Ok everyone post up your canned goods shelf pics lol
I understand .That is strange. They use different styles then because here all US brands are pull tab here
Just was doing some grocery shopping, and double checked all :D
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Victorinox has patented the color red with a multi tool pocket knife or something like that, so does that mean they wont have red ones?
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Going to use it for the last week of the OBC
That was fast!!!
Any first impressions?
+1
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Yup i have all those brands and they are not pull tab.
Ok everyone post up your canned goods shelf pics lol
I understand .That is strange. They use different styles then because here all US brands are pull tab here
Just was doing some grocery shopping, and double checked all :D
Just open it from the underside with the canopener ;)
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First impressions are up (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62284.msg1170782.html#msg1170782)
Victorinox has patented the color red with a multi tool pocket knife or something like that, so does that mean they wont have red ones?
It's available in white/black/blue AND red... for me it has to proof first to be worthy of being red though, so I went for blue :D
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http://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ju-la-marque-swiza-presente-un-nouveau-couteau-suisse?id=7189647#t=72
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http://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ju-la-marque-swiza-presente-un-nouveau-couteau-suisse?id=7189647#t=72
I understood "Victorinox" and "refused to comment".
Maybe you could give me the gist of it?
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http://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ju-la-marque-swiza-presente-un-nouveau-couteau-suisse?id=7189647#t=72
I understood "Victorinox" and "refused to comment".
Maybe you could give me the gist of it?
My Idea was to let it hang here until some French Guy show up...but for my limited understanding the knife is beeing produced only two km from the old Wenger factory and the CEO is the former, until 2013, manager of Wenger operations. Victorinox has made some legal appeal if I understood it correct but you can take that with a few pounds of salt. My French is mostly guess work.
I think they talked about a capacity of 3 Milllon knives a year but that sounds unreal seeing the small, almost garage plant but it was impressive they seem to do everything in house. They even had their own 2 component injection moulding machine. I don't even think Victorinox makes their own injection moulding.
Lets wait for someone who really understands it and puts my "translation" to shame.
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http://www.rts.ch/play/tv/19h30/video/ju-la-marque-swiza-presente-un-nouveau-couteau-suisse?id=7189647#t=72
I understood "Victorinox" and "refused to comment".
Maybe you could give me the gist of it?
Nothing important, I think. Brief description of the news and context. Victorinox refused to comment their former employee's (P. Hug) actions, many former Wenger staff have joined the new company, they hope to sell hundreds of thousands of knives in the next 3-5 years.
On a personal note, I think "Swiza" kind of sounds like starting to say "Swiss Army Knife" with an accent.
Edit: Adding that Swizas are made in Delemont, near the ex-Wenger factory.
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When they can match the tools on my Swisschamp, then we'll see about buying one. They have a lot of catching up to do. :whistle:
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When they can match the tools on my Swisschamp, then we'll see about buying one. They have a lot of catching up to do. :whistle:
I can't see it Saw, the real SC's aren't even what they used to be, I read somewhere here that they aren't even hand made anymore. :-[
But here's hoping! :cheers:
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When they can match the tools on my Swisschamp, then we'll see about buying one. They have a lot of catching up to do. :whistle:
I can't see it Saw, the real SC's aren't even what they used to be, I read somewhere here that they aren't even hand made anymore. :-[
But here's hoping! :cheers:
The SC is still awesome :salute:
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Someone needs to buy a couple of these as mod-fodder. I'd be interested to see the internal layout of pins, springs, tang shapes etc. Will these mix and match in any way with Vic parts? Or can we wedge scissors into a Swiza?
That locking blade and awl would be pretty cool in some other knives. Like a Climber or Super Tinker.
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Like I said, I won't be buying one. Don't like the color, the style/look, the holes in the blades (like lots of mall ninja stuff) and the fact that they can't stand on their own merits...they have to sell themselves as improved/reinvented against the time proven world standard of excellence in knives. When Swiza's new knife has ascended Everest, explored the Antarctic, trekked the Amazon or flown into Space, then catch phrases like "a legend reborn" won't seem like unbelievable hubris. They need to earn their street creds before tugging on Superman's cape. My opinion, of course. :hatsoff:
Hey, what did you expect from.....
SAK Guy. :D
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Like I said, I won't be buying one. Don't like the color, the style/look, the holes in the blades (like lots of mall ninja stuff) and the fact that they can't stand on their own merits...they have to sell themselves as improved/reinvented against the time proven world standard of excellence in knives. When Swiza's new knife has ascended Everest, explored the Antarctic, trekked the Amazon or flown into Space, then catch phrases like "a legend reborn" won't seem like unbelievable hubris. They need to earn their street creds before tugging on Superman's cape. My opinion, of course. :hatsoff:
Hey, what did you expect from.....
SAK Guy. :D
You broke that down pretty well SG :cheers:
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Like I said, I won't be buying one. Don't like the color, the style/look, the holes in the blades (like lots of mall ninja stuff) and the fact that they can't stand on their own merits...they have to sell themselves as improved/reinvented against the time proven world standard of excellence in knives. When Swiza's new knife has ascended Everest, explored the Antarctic, trekked the Amazon or flown into Space, then catch phrases like "a legend reborn" won't seem like unbelievable hubris. They need to earn their street creds before tugging on Superman's cape. My opinion, of course. :hatsoff:
Hey, what did you expect from.....
SAK Guy. :D
You broke that down pretty well SG :cheers:
Thanks SAW! :salute:
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These won't be able to dethrone my MechaRogue ;)
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These won't be able to dethrone my MechaRogue ;)
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:D :cheers:
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@Mextreme&firiki,
Thank you.
I'm actually hoping this new company is successful. They got marketing down something Vic doesn't seem to focus on. Should they though???
I personally would like Victorinox to revitalize their knives appearance. I think Vic's tool designs are some of the best in the business; kind of why they are so imitated, but ascetically I wish the exterior were a little more appealing. Just nothing like the Tomo though. For the love of all that is holy nothing like the Tomo.
Who am I kidding give me more translucent scale options for the 91's and I'd be all over them like white on rice.
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They look modern, can't wait to try one.
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Someone needs to buy a couple of these as mod-fodder. I'd be interested to see the internal layout of pins, springs, tang shapes etc. Will these mix and match in any way with Vic parts? Or can we wedge scissors into a Swiza?
That locking blade and awl would be pretty cool in some other knives. Like a Climber or Super Tinker.
I doubt they will be compatible, the Swiza is much more curved
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I like the design. The locking blade will be unlocked by pressing the cross on the scale (works from both sides).
Too bad they don't feature a toothpick.
If they throw in scissors (non-serrated) at some point, I'll grab one.
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Like I said, I won't be buying one. Don't like the color, the style/look, the holes in the blades (like lots of mall ninja stuff) and the fact that they can't stand on their own merits...they have to sell themselves as improved/reinvented against the time proven world standard of excellence in knives. When Swiza's new knife has ascended Everest, explored the Antarctic, trekked the Amazon or flown into Space, then catch phrases like "a legend reborn" won't seem like unbelievable hubris. They need to earn their street creds before tugging on Superman's cape. My opinion, of course. :hatsoff:
Hey, what did you expect from.....
SAK Guy. :D
That's why I bought one in blue... I don't think it deserves to be red with white cross :salute:
Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors! They make a very basic folding knife with some extras. There are many manufacturers that do that. They are just milking the Swiss Army Knife reputation without having ever contributed to it. Like the "Alpine Club Switzerland" that is neither Swiss nor an alpine club but just a brand trying to profit from the name of the "Swiss Alpine Club".
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I like the design. The locking blade will be unlocked by pressing the cross on the scale (works from both sides).
Too bad they don't feature a toothpick.
If they throw in scissors (non-serrated) at some point, I'll grab one.
The only thing I can say about the design so far is:
When using the knife, it's very uncomfortable as your fingers grip the tools, not the handle (similar problem as with the OHO loop of the 111mm, but along the full length of the tool).
And I'm a bit skeptic about pressing the cross... will be interesting how this holds up over the years.
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When using the knife, it's very uncomfortable as your fingers grip the tools, not the handle (similar problem as with the OHO loop of the 111mm, but along the full length of the tool).
I guess you're right.
From looking at this picture the closed tools really protrude too much.
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12081309_1021017214614956_460395792_n.jpg)
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
I actually prefer the LM Squirt S4 / Style CS and possibly Micra and some say SOG Crosscut eats zip ties and leather in a class of it´s own, but I never handled one.
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
I actually prefer the LM Squirt S4 / Style CS and possibly Micra and some say SOG Crosscut eats zip ties and leather in a class of it´s own, but I never handled one.
My S4 / Micra and SOG CrossCut all can go home when it comes to cutting soft/thin/chewie materials (thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes etc. especially bad are those plasticized bags used for milk powder and the like). Zip ties is of course different as the larger handles make them more comfortable.
Have you tried one of those on something larger (not just zip-ties) where maneuverability and thickness can become an issue? Like cutting open a tin can?
That might shock a few people here, but if I had to choose between a Micra/S4/CrossCut based on scissors, I probably would choose the Böker City tool! I find it quite comfortable at cutting heavier materials :tu:
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I tried to buy one 1 Swiza D04 = 39 CHF = 36,15 €
But plus shipping 20CHF!!!! = 18,53 CHF (From Switzerland to Spain???, come on men...!!!) :twak: :twak: :twak:
I refused to purchase it >:(
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Remember, at this stage, they're still building their infrastructure. They don't have an outlet network, and probably are using the "safest" mailing option instead of the cheapest. It's going to take them a while to get settled into the market and iron out the wrinkles in the system. Even though these are guys that have been in the biz for a few years, it's going to take them a while to get everything running like a swiss....... knife :whistle:
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@Mextreme&firiki,
Thank you.
:salute:
I, for one, would like to see nylon scales more readily available.
Victorinoooox? :twak:
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I tried to buy one 1 Swiza D04 = 39 CHF = 36,15 €
But plus shipping 20CHF!!!! = 18,53 CHF (From Switzerland to Spain???, come on men...!!!) :twak: :twak: :twak:
I refused to purchase it >:(
Remember, at this stage, they're still building their infrastructure. They don't have an outlet network, and probably are using the "safest" mailing option instead of the cheapest. It's going to take them a while to get settled into the market and iron out the wrinkles in the system. Even though these are guys that have been in the biz for a few years, it's going to take them a while to get everything running like a swiss....... knife :whistle:
The quote below is from another thread and it is about ordering a Swiza. This practice is totally, totally inacceptable for me.
OK, so I registered and went to the ordering process (I am weak... :facepalm: ).
During the whole process it showed free shipping :D .
Then I was sent to paypal to pay, and about 20 Euros were magically added to my bill... no thank you (I m not stupid.... ::) )
With that stealth shipping cost it is not really worth it, unless you are buying several and the shipping stays the same. >:( >:(
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Quite frankly, the more I read the more I believe Corwyn called it (and nailed it) early on :-\
Definately not Vic. I imagine Wenger's former CEO was like: "Silly Victorinox, firing me and my brilliant ideas. I'll show them and make a better knife with French-speakers, nicer steels and all the things I think saks need improving upon. We can even shove a white cross on it, use an existing watch maker and we can ride the Swiss coat-tails."
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/148979/3900673-0748244656-)
Ok, it's a knockoff. It has a very cheap and generic appearance and is not a real swiss army knife.
I'm with you.
No innovation. Just a hipster-ized Victorinox.
Also I agree on cheap looking.
Also I agree that it can't be called a Swiss Army Knife if the Swiss Army never used it :D
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
I actually prefer the LM Squirt S4 / Style CS and possibly Micra and some say SOG Crosscut eats zip ties and leather in a class of it´s own, but I never handled one.
My S4 / Micra and SOG CrossCut all can go home when it comes to cutting soft/thin/chewie materials (thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes etc. especially bad are those plasticized bags used for milk powder and the like). Zip ties is of course different as the larger handles make them more comfortable.
Have you tried one of those on something larger (not just zip-ties) where maneuverability and thickness can become an issue? Like cutting open a tin can?
That might shock a few people here, but if I had to choose between a Micra/S4/CrossCut based on scissors, I probably would choose the Böker City tool! I find it quite comfortable at cutting heavier materials :tu:
You may be right. I tested on Zip ties of differnt size. I´ve used and like the Victorinox scissors for 35+ years so I´m happy with them. However noticed that on zip ties, that are tough since they have plastic with high tensile strenght and slippery surface, they had less bite than some LM scissor based tools and wants to slip out.
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@Mextreme&firiki,
Thank you.
:salute:
I, for one, would like to see nylon scales more readily available.
Victorinoooox? :twak:
Actually the advances in platstics have been big in the last 15 years and with modern 2 components moulding machines Vic could up their game a lot without adding much cost, but knowing Vic they are more of the "if it aint broke"# philosofy and who could blame them. They are the most succesfull cutlery manufacturer ever.
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@Mextreme&firiki,
Thank you.
:salute:
I, for one, would like to see nylon scales more readily available.
Victorinoooox? :twak:
Actually the advances in platstics have been big in the last 15 years and with modern 2 components moulding machines Vic could up their game a lot without adding much cost, but knowing Vic they are more of the "if it aint broke"# philosofy and who could blame them. They are the most succesfull cutlery manufacturer ever.
A part of me agrees with that "if it ain't broken" mentality. I have a Soldier 2008 and a Forester, both with two components on the handles, and I love them. The only thing that annoys me is that the black part seems to make poket-carrying these a little uncomfortable at times because of friction. On a side note, that black part seems indestructible so far!
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
I actually prefer the LM Squirt S4 / Style CS and possibly Micra and some say SOG Crosscut eats zip ties and leather in a class of it´s own, but I never handled one.
My S4 / Micra and SOG CrossCut all can go home when it comes to cutting soft/thin/chewie materials (thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes etc. especially bad are those plasticized bags used for milk powder and the like). Zip ties is of course different as the larger handles make them more comfortable.
Have you tried one of those on something larger (not just zip-ties) where maneuverability and thickness can become an issue? Like cutting open a tin can?
That might shock a few people here, but if I had to choose between a Micra/S4/CrossCut based on scissors, I probably would choose the Böker City tool! I find it quite comfortable at cutting heavier materials :tu:
You may be right. I tested on Zip ties of differnt size. I´ve used and like the Victorinox scissors for 35+ years so I´m happy with them. However noticed that on zip ties, that are tough since they have plastic with high tensile strenght and slippery surface, they had less bite than some LM scissor based tools and wants to slip out.
I just use a blade most often with zip ties, even plastic strapping for lumber is no problem with a sharp Pioneer or similar. I have used the scissors on some tiny zip ties, but larger than the 58mm size is best. Same for leather, a well sharpened blade works for me. So for zip ties a Swiza would work, it appears to have a decent blade. :)
That Böker looks pretty cool E! :tu:
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@Mextreme&firiki,
Thank you.
:salute:
I, for one, would like to see nylon scales more readily available.
Victorinoooox? :twak:
Actually the advances in platstics have been big in the last 15 years and with modern 2 components moulding machines Vic could up their game a lot without adding much cost, but knowing Vic they are more of the "if it aint broke"# philosofy and who could blame them. They are the most succesfull cutlery manufacturer ever.
A part of me agrees with that "if it ain't broken" mentality. I have a Soldier 2008 and a Forester, both with two components on the handles, and I love them. The only thing that annoys me is that the black part seems to make poket-carrying these a little uncomfortable at times because of friction. On a side note, that black part seems indestructible so far!
Yes why fix it! :D
https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning/carl-elsener-victorinox-swiss-officers-knife-champion-no-5012-1968
http://www.moma.org/collection/artists/1722?locale=en
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Remember, at this stage, they're still building their infrastructure.
Yeah, I'll wait till these hit Amazon prime. I like their website.
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I looked over the Swiza website; the knives advertized may be good value. I would need to get my hands a on SWIZA knife, and do some chores with the knife before I say YEA or NAY.
But, I withhold any judgement until I test a SWIZA knife. I will keep my eyes open for the chance to obtain a SWIZA knife. Then I will report back.
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Also, they haven't gotten to the difficult part, like making great scissors!
Many have tried, many have failed. Even the Spirit scissors outperform any other manufacturer including Wenger and even their own Delemont line now. I predict a win for Vic in the scissors category. IME nothing even comes close. :salute:
I actually prefer the LM Squirt S4 / Style CS and possibly Micra and some say SOG Crosscut eats zip ties and leather in a class of it´s own, but I never handled one.
My S4 / Micra and SOG CrossCut all can go home when it comes to cutting soft/thin/chewie materials (thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes etc. especially bad are those plasticized bags used for milk powder and the like). Zip ties is of course different as the larger handles make them more comfortable.
Have you tried one of those on something larger (not just zip-ties) where maneuverability and thickness can become an issue? Like cutting open a tin can?
That might shock a few people here, but if I had to choose between a Micra/S4/CrossCut based on scissors, I probably would choose the Böker City tool! I find it quite comfortable at cutting heavier materials :tu:
You may be right. I tested on Zip ties of differnt size. I´ve used and like the Victorinox scissors for 35+ years so I´m happy with them. However noticed that on zip ties, that are tough since they have plastic with high tensile strenght and slippery surface, they had less bite than some LM scissor based tools and wants to slip out.
I just use a blade most often with zip ties, even plastic strapping for lumber is no problem with a sharp Pioneer or similar. I have used the scissors on some tiny zip ties, but larger than the 58mm size is best. Same for leather, a well sharpened blade works for me. So for zip ties a Swiza would work, it appears to have a decent blade. :)
That Böker looks pretty cool E! :tu:
I do the exact opposite. I find it difficult to get a blade under a strapped zip tie in a safe way, It´s easy to cut what is beeing strapped and since they are from high tensile plastic, quite an amount of force is necessary which is difficult to control in a safe ay when that zip tie gives, so I use nippers if I have them, but scissors are second choice.
On the soft material you mention like thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes ,plasticized bags , I find a sharp blade way faster than scissors.
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I do the exact opposite. I find it difficult to get a blade under a strapped zip tie in a safe way, It´s easy to cut what is beeing strapped and since they are from high tensile plastic, quite an amount of force is necessary which is difficult to control so I use nippers if I have them, but scissors are second choice.
On the soft material you mention like thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes ,plasticized bags , I find a sharp blade way faster than scissors.
I used to mainly use the heavy duty scissors on a 130mm Wenger for zip ties, but eventually converted to just using a 111mm sak blade. There are a few angles that can work even when the blade can not get underneath it. It often more dangerous and you look a bit crazed, but it is fun and effective.
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I do the exact opposite. I find it difficult to get a blade under a strapped zip tie in a safe way, It´s easy to cut what is beeing strapped and since they are from high tensile plastic, quite an amount of force is necessary which is difficult to control so I use nippers if I have them, but scissors are second choice.
On the soft material you mention like thin paper/plastic, padded envelopes ,plasticized bags , I find a sharp blade way faster than scissors.
I used to mainly use the heavy duty scissors on a 130mm Wenger for zip ties, but eventually converted to just using a 111mm sak blade. There are a few angles that can work even when the blade can not get underneath it. It often more dangerous and you look a bit crazed, but it is fun and effective.
If the zip tie is rather small you can bite of the whole square part, where the zip locks, with multitool pliers but on 6mm (1/4") and wider it doesn´t work. I actually can´t see a safe way to cut zip ties other than the minimal 2-3mm (1/8") in a somewhat safe way with a blade.
I cut a lot of 5-10 mm zip ties and the best are nippers, especially the ACT TL-ACT-MG-1400 that has a special notch that protects cables but sharp thin point scissors with good geometry of the shears are fine.
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See the inner workings here (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62284.msg1171673.html#msg1171673)
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Can we confirm the overall length of the Swiza? Is it more comparable with the 91mm, 93mm or 111mm length?
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Can we confirm the overall length of the Swiza? Is it more comparable with the 91mm, 93mm or 111mm length?
Its a bit an odd shape to measure but its longest dimension (diagonally) is about 96mm. Corner to corner on one side is about 90mm (measured from the middle of the corner).
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Can we confirm the overall length of the Swiza? Is it more comparable with the 91mm, 93mm or 111mm length?
Its a bit an odd shape to measure but its longest dimension (diagonally) is about 96mm. Corner to corner on one side is about 90mm (measured from the middle of the corner).
How is that awl working. Can it drill holes in wood and plastic?
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Can we confirm the overall length of the Swiza? Is it more comparable with the 91mm, 93mm or 111mm length?
Its a bit an odd shape to measure but its longest dimension (diagonally) is about 96mm. Corner to corner on one side is about 90mm (measured from the middle of the corner).
How is that awl working. Can it drill holes in wood and plastic?
Have patience with all things but first with yourself
- Saint Frances de Sales
:D
I will eventually get to that in my OBC thread
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Thanks for reviewing these E! :cheers:
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No hook?!
:rant: :rant:
NEXT!
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Seems pointless to me.
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Tweezers? :rofl:
Except I prefer no T&T. And I like a lanyard ring, so the Swiza is a big fail for me.
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Tweezers? :rofl:
Except I prefer no T&T. And I like a lanyard ring, so the Swiza is a big fail for me.
Actually, the tweezers are IMHO better than the ones from Vic/Wenger.
Also, as a usually well informed source just told me, there will be one with a wood saw soonish...
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Tweezers? :rofl:
Except I prefer no T&T. And I like a lanyard ring, so the Swiza is a big fail for me.
Actually, the tweezers are IMHO better than the ones from Vic/Wenger.
Also, as a usually well informed source just told me, there will be one with a wood saw soonish...
I wonder if it will be with openers and a saw, or just knife, saw, awl and back tool.
The last one would make an interesting tool. (On paper atleast)
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Tweezers? :rofl:
Except I prefer no T&T. And I like a lanyard ring, so the Swiza is a big fail for me.
Actually, the tweezers are IMHO better than the ones from Vic/Wenger.
Also, as a usually well informed source just told me, there will be one with a wood saw soonish...
Plastic farmer eh. :D
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Tweezers? :rofl:
Except I prefer no T&T. And I like a lanyard ring, so the Swiza is a big fail for me.
Actually, the tweezers are IMHO better than the ones from Vic/Wenger.
Also, as a usually well informed source just told me, there will be one with a wood saw soonish...
I think that kindof makes Syph's point. I don't think it will transition well from its soft-scale, albeit scissorless, urban carry to the tougher outdoors. But at least it has improved tweezers to remove the splinters :pok:
Don't think my Evo18 is going to lose any sleep.
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Seems pointless to me.
Locking blade I think will draw some buyers and the deceptively ergonomic design.
As Etherealicer pointed out the tools are quite protruding and the ergonomics is just a mirage.
The lock button built in the scale is quite low key and attractive but I have no idea if it´s any good.
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This is really interesting. Although I can't see the company lasting long.
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Seems pointless to me.
Locking blade I think will draw some buyers and the deceptively ergonomic design.
As Etherealicer pointed out the tools are quite protruding and the ergonomics is just a mirage.
The lock button built in the scale is quite low key and attractive but I have no idea if it´s any good.
Maybe that's the niche they are trying to fill then, lock blade? Its a detractor though as far as potential market as many countries dont allow lockblade carry.
Its not one hand open though, so should be legal in Germany and similar countries.
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I consulted with my 80s hero...
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ab/abbcaa9ddfe856683cda20e6ee5757bb3783c01a2082365a53e1f562e0a3e1a3.jpg)
:D
Ok ok if they last 125 years I promise I will buy one. :whistle:
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So its a plastic scaled pioneer with some backtools... what is the selling feature.
Seems pointless to me.
Locking blade I think will draw some buyers and the deceptively ergonomic design.
As Etherealicer pointed out the tools are quite protruding and the ergonomics is just a mirage.
The lock button built in the scale is quite low key and attractive but I have no idea if it´s any good.
Maybe that's the niche they are trying to fill then, lock blade? Its a detractor though as far as potential market as many countries dont allow lockblade carry.
Its not one hand open though, so should be legal in Germany and similar countries.
No, but you can OHO the can-opener :D
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I consulted with my 80s hero...
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ab/abbcaa9ddfe856683cda20e6ee5757bb3783c01a2082365a53e1f562e0a3e1a3.jpg)
:D
Ok ok if they last 125 years I promise I will buy one. :whistle:
Would definitely enjoy a Syph007 dissection/analysis so hopefully sooner than that! >:D
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FYI
LEGAL Advice
This knife is OHO AND LOCKING
While it not my have been designed for that, the blade is easy opened with a push of your thumb (just don't use the bloody* hole, just push the flat of the blade).
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I bet they didnt intend that...
Id really like to take one apart, but I cant bring myself to purchase one. Maybe if they ever show up on Amazon I'll bite.
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(http://i.imgur.com/oY0Qvx4.jpg)
Spotted yesterday while strolling through the city. Store was already closed though.
I might check back sometime. The bright red looks fantastic.
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These are way too expensive for you get. They better get that price point down if they want to survive any length of time at all.
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These are way too expensive for you get. They better get that price point down if they want to survive any length of time at all.
Wrong! Well, at least from a marketing point of view.
They claim it is a re-invention of the SAK and its better. Because of that it has to be more expensive (who would believe it if it were cheaper).
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I've got myself a black one as I was curious and it seems to be a good knife. We'll see after some days of use...(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/01/7890ef036c80ed950ddfa280be41c63b.jpg)