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Title: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 16, 2007, 08:21:12 PM
Hi all,

I am after a folding knife but as I am in the UK the blade cannot be over 4" or lock.

Does anyone have any ideas of a good cheapish knife??

Thanks

Benner
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 08:40:22 PM
Its actually 3", just so you don't get on the wrong end of the law!
Read this page at bristishblade forums http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8336

Opinels (that don't lock) tend to be well regarded as cheap but good value.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 16, 2007, 08:41:47 PM
Its actually 3", just so you don't get on the wrong end of the law!


Thanks for that!!
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:15:21 PM
Why not just get a sak of some discription mate ???
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 16, 2007, 10:17:59 PM
Got a couple of saks but just want a cheap edc knife that can be abused and continually re-sharpened.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:20:57 PM
Got a couple of saks but just want a cheap edc knife that can be abused and continually re-sharpened.
Then roadie's right an opinel should be right up your street. :)

You can usually get a number 6 of ebay for less than £6 if you look around, oh and the carbon steel is the one to go for in my opinion mate ;)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:22:00 PM
et voila...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OPINEL-No-6-KNIFE-Army-cadets-camping-outdoors-fishing_W0QQitemZ170012614551QQihZ007QQcategoryZ90872QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

dozey post now corrected ::)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 16, 2007, 10:36:35 PM
Like this one??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Opinel-Non-Locking-Knife-Range-6cm-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ270151512110QQihZ017QQcategoryZ139867QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 10:39:12 PM
Then roadie's right an opinel should be right up your street. :)

I'm always right! apart from when i'm wrong, but when i'm wrong i'm wrong in a very right way....i think.

Yep that opinel is perfect for edc.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:39:50 PM
Like this one??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Opinel-Non-Locking-Knife-Range-6cm-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ270151512110QQihZ017QQcategoryZ139867QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Yep perfick ;D

Seriously opinel's are one of those cheap and cheerful knives, so use and abuse, and leave you sak for sunday best ;D or your wedding which ever happens first ;)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:40:53 PM
Then roadie's right an opinel should be right up your street. :)

I'm always right! apart from when i'm wrong, but when i'm wrong i'm wrong in a very right way....i think.

Yep that opinel is perfect for edc.
Sound like a typically british blokey thing to say ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 16, 2007, 10:42:52 PM
Like this one??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Opinel-Non-Locking-Knife-Range-6cm-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ270151512110QQihZ017QQcategoryZ139867QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Yep perfick ;D

Seriously opinel's are one of those cheap and cheerful knives, so use and abuse, and leave you sak for sunday best ;D or your wedding which ever happens first ;)

It's only £5 inc. delivery!!  ;D

VERY cheap and cheerful.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:46:48 PM
Don't forget though (boy I hate being the voice of reason) I certain part's of the UK and specifically in scotland, you still need a good reason to carry any kind of knife, regardless if it technically legal edc.

I know your all sensible lad's out there, so please don't think I'm being patronising :)

cheers
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Like this one??

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Opinel-Non-Locking-Knife-Range-6cm-Brand-New_W0QQitemZ270151512110QQihZ017QQcategoryZ139867QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
Yep perfick ;D

Seriously opinel's are one of those cheap and cheerful knives, so use and abuse, and leave you sak for sunday best ;D or your wedding which ever happens first ;)

It's only £5 inc. delivery!!  ;D

VERY cheap and cheerful.
I really ought to start asking for commission ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 10:48:25 PM
At that price i may have to get me one of those, seeing as my Gerber 400 hunt isn't progressing very well, or do i buy the fenix first, either way i'll end up with both!
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 10:50:22 PM
Don't forget though (boy I hate being the voice of reason) I certain part's of the UK and specifically in scotland, you still need a good reason to carry any kind of knife, regardless if it technically legal edc.

I know your all sensible lad's out there, so please don't think I'm being patronising :)

cheers

Really? Where abouts does that apply to?
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:50:58 PM
At that price i may have to get me one of those, seeing as my Gerber 400 hunt isn't progressing very well, or do i buy the fenix first, either way i'll end up with both!
Think of the to-ing and fo-ing you'll do to the various site, buy both and save electricity ;D

You could even you that argument with swmbo, although I don't fancy your chances :D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:55:06 PM
Don't forget though (boy I hate being the voice of reason) I certain part's of the UK and specifically in scotland, you still need a good reason to carry any kind of knife, regardless if it technically legal edc.

I know your all sensible lad's out there, so please don't think I'm being patronising :)

cheers

Really? Where abouts does that apply to?
From what I've heard the scottish police can take dim view of you carrying a knife without a good reason, not all copper's mind, but some.

I'm sure I read it on british blades somewhere, but it is a genuine thing, that's one of the reason's I stopped carrying a single bladed knife, a Sak is a lot easier to justify :)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 10:56:16 PM
As to what police forces I don't know, I'll try and find out for you.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 10:58:20 PM
Interesting, fortunately whenever i'm in scotland and have a knife on me i tend to be out walking/camping. I can understand it in the cities but i don't go there very often at all. Thanks for the heads up though. And yeah that would be cool to know whereabouts.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 16, 2007, 11:01:50 PM
Interesting, fortunately whenever i'm in scotland and have a knife on me i tend to be out walking/camping. I can understand it in the cities but i don't go there very often at all. Thanks for the heads up though. And yeah that would be cool to know whereabouts.
Well you seem a pretty sound bloke but what do I know ;)  ;D so I doubt you'd bring that sort of attention to yourself anyway, sad thing is I'm sure that it'll be the case all over the UK before to long :(
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 16, 2007, 11:12:10 PM
Yeah i do hate the way the UK is heading. I do try and not draw attention to myself....although i wonder what people would say if i carried all my multi's on my belt one day.....
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 16, 2007, 11:14:04 PM
Careful what you guys say about Scottish Cops... PC Murdoch could be lurking anywhere around here...

(http://www.firstfoot.com/geneolagy/images/pcmurdoch.jpg)

To say nothing of Officer Jock! :D

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 09:56:12 AM
Yeah i do hate the way the UK is heading. I do try and not draw attention to myself....although i wonder what people would say if i carried all my multi's on my belt one day.....
Ok I did a little digging and got a mate to point me in the right dirrection, so here goes...

 ...Sect 49 which states thet any bladed or sharply pointed article in a public place is an offense the only exception is if it's 3 inches or less and non locking or with lawful authority or reasonable excuse e.g work or police /army
But the powers that be have created sect 47 to cover offensive weapons Bats ,coshes golf balls full of nails ,belts  non locking  blades of less than 3 inches with the catch all of lawful authority or reasonable excuse i.e it's down to the person to justify having it .

(the act is the criminal law consoldiation Scotland 1995)

Hope that clear's it up a bit :)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 09:58:20 AM
Folks,

Consider the CRKT Edgie.

I abuse the heck out of mine and everytime I open/close it it automatically re sharpens itself.

Very good knife,

Flash
I've had a crkt before, but I'm sorry to say I didn't get on with the poor quality steel :(

But I'd be interested in your thought's on the edgie mate :)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 12:11:42 PM
Here's an Edgie review on some obscure website I found...

http://www.multitool.org/knives/folding-knives/crkt-edgie.html

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
Here's an Edgie review on some obscure website I found...

http://www.multitool.org/knives/folding-knives/crkt-edgie.html

Def
Yep I'd read the review before :) I really hate the concept of a knife that wear's itself away every time you close it, but I can see the appeal if you not to confident or don't have the time to sharpen your blade :-\
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Benner on September 17, 2007, 01:07:35 PM
Here's an Edgie review on some obscure website I found...

http://www.multitool.org/knives/folding-knives/crkt-edgie.html

Def
Yep I'd read the review before :) I really hate the concept of a knife that wear's itself away every time you close it, but I can see the appeal if you not to confident or don't have the time to sharpen your blade :-\

I have to say I thought that as well.

All covered by lifetime warranty though.
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:11:10 PM
Here's an Edgie review on some obscure website I found...

http://www.multitool.org/knives/folding-knives/crkt-edgie.html

Def
Yep I'd read the review before :) I really hate the concept of a knife that wear's itself away every time you close it, but I can see the appeal if you not to confident or don't have the time to sharpen your blade :-\

I have to say I thought that as well.

All covered by lifetime warranty though.
True it's got a warranty but the steel they use is frankly pretty crappy (the one I had was aus6), and you could blunt the edge with just a stern look >:(
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 01:11:45 PM
I wonder if they'd replace a daily user in 5 years or so when the blade wears away, or whether than falls into the category of regular wear and tear?

Of course by the same token, at around $30 or so, you've probably gotten your money out of it by the time you wear the edge down that far. 

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:17:10 PM
I wonder if they'd replace a daily user in 5 years or so when the blade wears away, or whether than falls into the category of regular wear and tear?

Of course by the same token, at around $30 or so, you've probably gotten your money out of it by the time you wear the edge down that far. 

Def
That's true, but at 400 grit how rough is that edge going to be anyway :o

Your not going to be able to slice anything, but rip plenty ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 01:28:12 PM
My biggest concern is the edge geometry.  The more that blade is sharpened, the wider the edge gets, making it less effective.  With a regular knife that can take years, but for someone who works in a shipping department where the knife is constantly opened, used and folded, hundreds of times a day, it could be obvious in a few months.  Of course, that's probably why shippers tend to stick to cheap X-acto knives with break off or replaceable blades, or Super Knives etc.

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:32:50 PM
It took about 6 years of constant use for my old cold steel voyager to need a bit of edge reprofiling, and like you say I very much doubt that would be the case for the edgie ::)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 17, 2007, 01:38:50 PM
Yeah i think it would be a good idea for an emergency knife that doesn't get used very often but when you need it would be sharp and if you blunt it on something you could sharpen it very quickly.

Thanks for finding that info micky, its good to know these things. Oh and the Gerber MP400 has come to an end! I lost the one i was bidding on last night but got an email with a second chance offer as the person selling them has a few available! (its black as well! matches my mp600!)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:40:45 PM
Yeah i think it would be a good idea for an emergency knife that doesn't get used very often but when you need it would be sharp and if you blunt it on something you could sharpen it very quickly.

Thanks for finding that info micky, its good to know these things. Oh and the Gerber MP400 has come to an end! I lost the one i was bidding on last night but got an email with a second chance offer as the person selling them has a few available! (its black as well! matches my mp600!)
Cool, well done on hanging it there mate!

Of course we will now expect a review and comment's on it once you get it ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 01:46:07 PM
Personally I'd stick with the Opinels... I love the high carbon blades on them, and they cut like anything, especially if you only sharpen them down to a medium stone and leave a jagged micro-serrated edge.  Plus, the blades are thin like SAK blades, so even after years of resharpening they are still quite usable, and there is very little drag in whatever you are cutting.

I carried a Number 2 for a long time in my watch pocket- I'll have to get another one sometime as I really miss it.

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 01:54:36 PM
Personally I'd stick with the Opinels... I love the high carbon blades on them, and they cut like anything, especially if you only sharpen them down to a medium stone and leave a jagged micro-serrated edge.  Plus, the blades are thin like SAK blades, so even after years of resharpening they are still quite usable, and there is very little drag in whatever you are cutting.

I carried a Number 2 for a long time in my watch pocket- I'll have to get another one sometime as I really miss it.

Def
I ''HAD'' a no6 for a while but I commited the ultimate sin of lending it to a mate >:( you can guess the rest :cry:

They do cut like a daemon but there tip strength is a bit weak, so no prying with it  ;)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
Yeah, that and being prone to corrosion are problems with high carbon steels, but in the right hands, they are pretty darned good!

In the wrong hands, like anything else, they are broken, rotted garbage.  >:(

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 02:24:08 PM
Yeah, that and being prone to corrosion are problems with high carbon steels, but in the right hands, they are pretty darned good!

In the wrong hands, like anything else, they are broken, rotted garbage.  >:(

Def
I want an opinel now ::)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
You and me both!  I've already been trolling the usual sources to see what's available and check prices! :P

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 02:56:47 PM
You and me both!  I've already been trolling the usual sources to see what's available and check prices! :P

Def
It's got to be one of the few things the you lot over the pond will have to pay more for :P
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 17, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
If it is, are you up for a trade for something? :P

Def
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 17, 2007, 04:05:05 PM
If it is, are you up for a trade for something? :P

Def
I'll get you a number 6 for xmas, boss :)
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: jock1 on September 17, 2007, 11:33:38 PM
Creep
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 17, 2007, 11:38:39 PM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 10:48:30 AM
Creep
No just protecting my interests ;) ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 10:49:03 AM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thanks for the sympathy mate >:( ;) ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 10:50:30 AM
Gang,

With regards to the Edgie...I have3 located ion various bags/vehicles.

None of mine automatically resharpen when I open/close them.

However, when closed I can "push" the blade a little bit closer to the handle and this is when the sharpening happens.  I believe it is a bit of a misnomer to say it sharpens on every open and close.  This element of control may reduce the amount of ware you lot are talking about.

For a cheapish, UK Legal knife this may be what your after.

Take care,

Flash
Thank's for clearing that up mate :), so are you from the UK as well then ???
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: jock1 on September 18, 2007, 10:54:16 AM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thanks for the sympathy mate >:( ;) ;D
The only place you will find sympathy in the life is the dictionary
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 10:57:01 AM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thanks for the sympathy mate >:( ;) ;D
The only place you will find sympathy in the life is the dictionary
I think its the entry between the smelly brown stuff and syphalis right ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: jock1 on September 18, 2007, 11:00:24 AM
Rodger ;D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 11:03:26 AM
Rodger ;D
:D
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Roadie on September 18, 2007, 11:04:11 AM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thanks for the sympathy mate >:( ;) ;D

Anytime :cheers:
Title: Re: Non locking knife
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 18, 2007, 11:07:52 AM
Creep

:grin: :grin: :grin:
Thanks for the sympathy mate >:( ;) ;D

Anytime :cheers:
It's good to feel apreciated ;D