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Title: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: AlephZero on October 26, 2016, 08:12:22 PM: Ok, so I stumbled upon this Youtube video claiming "Top 10 Survival Skills You Need to Know"

alright...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ncC1R2klvE

Some advice is viable yes, but you know there will be some people who will think that this is all you need, right?

:facepalm:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: AlephZero on October 26, 2016, 08:15:58 PM: While we're at it, why don't we get it right, and post some good info on the subject? :)
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Smashie on October 26, 2016, 08:17:50 PM: OK I gave up at make sure you pile sticks on the fire (signal fire) :facepalm:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Smashie on October 26, 2016, 08:30:36 PM: How build a signal fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG9vg2ENo9k
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: styx on October 26, 2016, 09:00:53 PM: I say drop 'em in the middle of no where, pick 'em up in a few weeks. If they live, pat 'em on the back and give 'em a beginner survival course certificate, if they don't - no money back guarantee
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grathr on October 26, 2016, 09:01:13 PM: Quote from: Aleph78 on October 26, 2016, 08:12:22 PM
Ok, so I stumbled upon this Youtube video claiming "Top 10 Survival Skills You Need to Know"

alright...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ncC1R2klvE

Some advice is viable yes, but you know there will be some people who will think that this is all you need, right?

:facepalm:

:facepalm:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grathr on October 26, 2016, 09:02:45 PM: https://youtu.be/B1KnQp7D8sw
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Aloha on October 26, 2016, 09:48:43 PM: For many they wont go out into the actual wild so the video is a non issue in all reality. For those who do venture out tell someone were you are going, check that, tell several people where you are going and when you plan on coming back.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Gareth on October 26, 2016, 10:10:06 PM: I can't quite make myself watch the video right now. Is it really that bad?
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 26, 2016, 10:46:52 PM: Quote from: Gareth on October 26, 2016, 10:10:06 PM
I can't quite make myself watch the video right now. Is it really that bad?

I forced myself to watch it, and wished I hadn't :facepalm:

It's little snippets of movies and online clips relating to general themes as someone who has no clue gives a rolling commentary. One of them is learning to tie a bowline - no other knots, nothing about application, but they claim it's incredibly strong..... does that tell you enough to not bother? If not.... "you can start a fire by rubbing sticks together" followed by zero additional information on how or what with.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Gareth on October 26, 2016, 11:21:56 PM: OK, I might have to watch it now. :D On second thoughts, maybe not.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Sea Monster on October 27, 2016, 07:48:41 AM: "Gather firewood"

For when I'm surviving in...a small inhabited village with firewood stocked up?

"Since you're watching internet videos you've probably never tied a knot other than your shoelaces"

It's true, You can have Rope or Computers. Never both. God Wills it.

(Also, whilst I always teach the Bowline, I never really use it. It's just not that good.)

I guess the top tip for first aid is "Don't get mauled by a bear"

I do like "Trial and error" for testing wild food :D

I didn't get all the way through....

Anyway, this is obviously just crap internet filler. It turns out "The Cloud" is mostly "evaporated smurf" :)
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Gareth on October 27, 2016, 09:46:40 AM: Quote from: Sea Monster on October 27, 2016, 07:48:41 AM
"Gather firewood"

For when I'm surviving in...a small inhabited village with firewood stocked up?

"Since you're watching internet videos you've probably never tied a knot other than your shoelaces"

It's true, You can have Rope or Computers. Never both. God Wills it.

(Also, whilst I always teach the Bowline, I never really use it. It's just not that good.)

I guess the top tip for first aid is "Don't get mauled by a bear"

I do like "Trial and error" for testing wild food :D

I didn't get all the way through....

Anyway, this is obviously just crap internet filler. It turns out "The Cloud" is mostly "evaporated smurf" :)

:rofl:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: styx on October 27, 2016, 05:25:08 PM: Well most of their videos are uneducated ramblings so at least they are consistent
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Chako on October 28, 2016, 12:48:56 AM: Here is a good rule...while in bear country...just be sure you can outrun your buddy. :ahhh
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 28, 2016, 03:54:08 PM: Quote from: Chako on October 28, 2016, 12:48:56 AM
Here is a good rule...while in bear country...just be sure you can outrun your buddy. :ahhh

That's why Megan always takes me hiking. With more metal in my ankles than in the average economy car someone would be very hard pressed to not run faster than me!

:ahhh

Def
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Mechanickal on October 29, 2016, 10:17:46 AM: Quote from: Chako on October 28, 2016, 12:48:56 AM
Here is a good rule...while in bear country...just be sure you can outrun your buddy. :ahhh
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: AlephZero on October 30, 2016, 06:53:51 PM: Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on October 28, 2016, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Chako on October 28, 2016, 12:48:56 AM
Here is a good rule...while in bear country...just be sure you can outrun your buddy. :ahhh

That's why Megan always takes me hiking. With more metal in my ankles than in the average economy car someone would be very hard pressed to not run faster than me!

:ahhh

Def
Boss, I'm pretty sure she didn't have that in mind... pretty sure...

>:D
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 31, 2016, 11:55:07 AM: It may not have been first on the list, but I bet that it is there.... and comforting to her! :P

Def
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: pfrsantos on October 31, 2016, 11:59:29 AM: Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on October 31, 2016, 11:55:07 AM
It may not have been first on the list, but I bet that it is there.... and comforting to her! :P

Def

Yup, I bet it is...

Show content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUKqcFD7hPE

:D :D :D :D
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: dks on October 31, 2016, 11:59:55 AM: .all that metal - imagine the damage it will do to the teeth of the poor animals....
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 31, 2016, 12:05:31 PM: Quote from: dks on October 31, 2016, 11:59:55 AM
.all that metal - imagine the damage it will do to the teeth of the poor animals....

Fortunately there is all too much non-metal parts to keep them happy long before they have to resort to that. :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Noa Isumi on November 01, 2016, 08:15:54 AM: Here's a real bear country tip:

Brown bear smurf has nuts, acorns, and berries in it;
Grizzly bear smurf has "bear bells" from the idiot yuppies that followed these videos;
and a real outdoors-man's smurf has bear steak with an extra side of manliness in it

Seriously though that joke is about at the same level that most of the "survival' industry is putting out. Many of the videos and "guides" out there today are either dangerous, selling worthless stuff, or both. Survival is simply putting your life skills to your advantage in an emergency situation. If you don't live, learn and actually get out there and use your skills through piratical, normal experiences all the gadgets and blogs in the world wont save your smurf.

Yes there are practical training courses available for skills that may be out of your norm such as First-aid, rappelling, scuba, fire response etc. But an 8hr or weekend course is only a supplement to your other skills. You may be ok a month later but what about a year? If it isn't regularly practiced or have some relevance to your life how long will you retain it as more than anecdotal knowledge? And I chose those sample courses for a reason; I took all of them 10+yr ago. I remember the basic ideas of many of them but they are not reliable skills in any way. On the flip side you can go overboard spending every week and tons of money going from class to class but never really gaining practical experiences, or becoming "expert" at skills that you will never use..
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Sea Monster on November 01, 2016, 10:28:35 AM: Quote
get out there and use your skills through piratical, normal experiences

YARRR!!!!!

(Shiver me mainbrace, jolly sloop, busty dubloons!)

and suchwot :P
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Noa Isumi on November 01, 2016, 11:04:17 AM: Oops
spellchecker fail :facepalm:

But I guess piracy could be a good test of skills....if you dont get killed, arrested, or worse
:duel: :police: :police: :surrender:

I think DHS or whatever your country's equal is would have something to say about it too
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: TonySal on November 19, 2016, 08:24:17 PM: I really like Survival On Purpose on the Tube, god reviews - nice guy.....
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: TonySal on November 25, 2016, 01:40:59 AM: Quote from: TonySal on November 19, 2016, 08:24:17 PM
I really like Survival On Purpose on the Tube, good reviews - nice guy.....
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Chako on November 25, 2016, 02:22:09 AM: Whenever I go out into the wilds, I fortify my knowledge by watching Bear Grylls shows. :whistle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIG4TuVnvg
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: David on November 26, 2016, 04:21:59 AM: ^^^^^^^^^^^ :rofl: your funny Dan! :D
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Chako on November 26, 2016, 11:18:52 AM: When I bought one of these...I was terribly disappointed in not finding that all important rubber hose. :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/Bear-Grylls-Survival-Series-Ultimate-Kit_fulljpg_zpsrdgnxajc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo004/Bear-Grylls-Survival-Series-Ultimate-Kit_fulljpg_zpsrdgnxajc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: temo on November 26, 2016, 12:11:51 PM: Well at least MT hobby sounds cheap after you look recommended survival gears. Outdoor cooking can be cheap or expensive. But sure price is not relevant if you talk about survival.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Ron Who on February 11, 2017, 11:04:11 AM: IMO most television shows make survival look much too easy. If I had any kids I would show them that water, food and fire may be difficult to get/make and that the risks involved are not to be laughed at. Survival in the Netherlands is easy if you are prepared to steal of a farmer, otherwise forget it, most of the year there's just too little to live on.
OTOH I would show them the pleasure of herbs, fruits and nuts gathered from the wild, how to catch fish, and how to snare, dress and cook a rabbit. But I would make them understand that it wouldn't work for longer periods of time!

I should add that there are very few regions in the Netherlands where you would need any survival skills.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: kkokkolis on February 11, 2017, 12:01:08 PM: Last night, a Bulgarian lady came to my office. Her story is that her educated son, 36, had peculiar behavior since March 2016. Something like religious delusions. He disappeared without warning for 6 months. He came back with nothing but a rucksack and said he lived on the mountain, eating mushrooms, fish and bread he made from flour he had with him, living as an askete. He came back because he wasn't prepared for a harsh winter on the mountains.
I would like to talk with him but he doesn't want to see a doctor. The fascinating thing is that he wasn't a survivalist, he studied language his whole life.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Ron Who on February 11, 2017, 12:08:11 PM: Yesterday's paper ran a story about a man from Vancouver, who walked over 10,000 km to Brazil, barefooted. He had help of other people sometimes, but mostly had to survive in the wild, "foraging for food".

See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/canadian-man-reportedly-found-amazon-following-10000-mile-journey/
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Aloha on February 11, 2017, 04:01:41 PM: Quote from: kkokkolis on February 11, 2017, 12:01:08 PM
Last night, a Bulgarian lady came to my office. Her story is that her educated son, 36, had peculiar behavior since March 2016. Something like religious delusions. He disappeared without warning for 6 months. He came back with nothing but a rucksack and said he lived on the mountain, eating mushrooms, fish and bread he made from flour he had with him, living as an askete. He came back because he wasn't prepared for a harsh winter on the mountains.
I would like to talk with him but he doesn't want to see a doctor. The fascinating thing is that he wasn't a survivalist, he studied language his whole life.

I would love to hear his story as well.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2017, 04:31:31 PM: Convince him to write a book. I'm sure he'd sell more than a few copies here!

Def
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:59:19 PM: Quote from: styx on October 26, 2016, 09:00:53 PM
I say drop 'em in the middle of no where, pick 'em up in a few weeks. If they live, pat 'em on the back and give 'em a beginner survival course certificate, if they don't - no money back guarantee

'if it's cold and wet, 99% will be dead within a week, if they have to start naked and have no gear.

this guy is outstanding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzV8ugl3Qs4
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 05:03:33 PM: search youtube for Dave canterbury, ray mears, Cody Lundin. Read books by Brad Angier, Ragnar Benson, Larry Dean Olsen, Mors Korchanski, Cody Lundin,
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 07:22:50 PM: if a place is worth a hoot, there's people all over it. If it's nothing but woods, etc, it's not worth a hoot for resources.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Gareth on March 09, 2017, 10:57:19 PM: Quote from: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: styx on October 26, 2016, 09:00:53 PM
I say drop 'em in the middle of no where, pick 'em up in a few weeks. If they live, pat 'em on the back and give 'em a beginner survival course certificate, if they don't - no money back guarantee

'if it's cold and wet, 99% will be dead within a week, if they have to start naked and have no gear.

this guy is outstanding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzV8ugl3Qs4

That's a good video. :tu:
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Dwest on March 23, 2017, 04:03:48 AM: Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on October 28, 2016, 03:54:08 PM
Quote from: Chako on October 28, 2016, 12:48:56 AM
Here is a good rule...while in bear country...just be sure you can outrun your buddy. :ahhh

That's why Megan always takes me hiking. With more metal in my ankles than in the average economy car someone would be very hard pressed to not run faster than me!

:ahhh

Def

Maybe she figures if she hooks you up to a battery, you could be used as a compass.

No offense just a bit of humor.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Dwest on March 23, 2017, 04:40:20 AM: I took my son out and had him build a debris type shelter, no tools allowed so he got the idea of how much work and how long it really takes to do this. He learned its not as easy as TV and You Tube makes it out to be. A lesson in reality is always a good teacher.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Aloha on March 23, 2017, 06:39:13 AM: Quote from: Dwest on March 23, 2017, 04:40:20 AM
I took my son out and had him build a debris type shelter, no tools allowed so he got the idea of how much work and how long it really takes to do this. He learned its not as easy as TV and You Tube makes it out to be. A lesson in reality is always a good teacher.

:like:

Great job Certainly lets him know that its important to make the decision early to hunker down rather than wait till the last moment.
Title: Re: How NOT to teach people survival skills
Post by: Gareth on March 23, 2017, 11:09:33 AM: Quote from: Dwest on March 23, 2017, 04:40:20 AM
I took my son out and had him build a debris type shelter, no tools allowed so he got the idea of how much work and how long it really takes to do this. He learned its not as easy as TV and You Tube makes it out to be. A lesson in reality is always a good teacher.

The wonders of video editing always make things look far, far easier than they actually are. Just finding appropriate materials can take a long time. Good job on having some quality time with your boy. :cheers: