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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: meanx on September 04, 2010, 11:03:54 AM

Title: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: meanx on September 04, 2010, 11:03:54 AM: All of us has some SAK clones (copies) stashed away somewhere,I'll show you some of mine if you show me some of your more interesting "orphans" of the SAK world.

Kauffman K55K, only one word to describe this knife "smooth" excellent knife

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/1-1.jpg)

A MW can't find anything about this knife,comes with a leather sheath also marked MW

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/11-1.jpg)

Richartz

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/13.jpg)

An Adler Messer also great quality

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/12.jpg)

EKA from Sweden

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/16.jpg)

Aitor - Spain

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/14.jpg)

JA Henckels - Solingen

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/15.jpg)

This one is only marked Rostfrei Germany, a beauty with brass liners

(http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa226/MeanX101/17.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 04, 2010, 11:20:32 AM: Nice idea for a thread :tu:

I'm quite tempted by Aitors, but there stupidly expensive compared to the Swiss duo :-\
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: J-sews on September 04, 2010, 01:40:25 PM: Oooh, I've got a Kaufmann! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/smileys/jumping41.gif)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/HYKaufmannSons.jpg)

Scales are a deep red, the color didn't come through very well in this photo. It's a pretty well made knife. :) From the 1950's I am guessing?

Meanx, does yours have a backwards "K" in the K55K like mine? I wonder why they did that? :think:
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Jack Russell on September 04, 2010, 01:42:59 PM: I like the Adler, the Adler GAKs I have seem better finished to me than the Victorinox
Aitor also were cotracted to suply GAKs.
Good Knives..

Mike.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: AddictedToTools on September 04, 2010, 01:49:52 PM: I have a knife practically identical to the last one in the first post. No brass liners though.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Neil on September 04, 2010, 02:35:36 PM: An Italian and a couple of French knives..

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_italiansak-1.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=italiansak-1.jpg) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_italiansak-2.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=italiansak-2.jpg)
(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_french-4.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=french-4.jpg) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_french-3.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=french-3.jpg)

A nice German piece..

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_merc1.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=merc1.jpg) (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_merc2.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=merc2.jpg)

Spaniards with a Soldier for scale...

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/th_aitors.jpg) (http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/?action=view&current=aitors.jpg)

Finally, one to throw the cat in with the pigeons...

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/erinox-1.jpg)

Its Swiss but not Wenger or Victorinox.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: ICanFixThat on September 04, 2010, 02:51:51 PM: All these are looking really nice!

Kauffman looks like a nice manufacture to watch for. I'll see if I can find some, I know I have an Aitor and a few others.

Quote from: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 04, 2010, 11:20:32 AM
Nice idea for a thread :tu: ......

+1 :tu:
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Benner on September 04, 2010, 02:57:51 PM: Neil, that last one is yummy! Would look great in my pocket! :D
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Neil on September 04, 2010, 03:07:33 PM: Never seen another anywhere, so too interesting a piece to let a ruffian like you loose with it :P

Best stick with a nice cheap sebbie mate :D
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: meanx on September 04, 2010, 05:15:36 PM: J-sew, yes the last K is backwards nice one you got there.

Neil,that Erinox looks stunning any more info on the maker?
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: nuphoria on September 04, 2010, 06:15:54 PM: This is indeed a great idea for a thread :tu:

As much as we all love our Vics, it's really nice to see other knives that seem to be a decent quality. Having other shaped tools and scale material is very interesting too. Brings out the modder in me :D
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: kazuya on September 04, 2010, 10:18:34 PM: Richartz trend-maxi-7, ISC Apollo, ISC Galaxy
(http://m9vxja.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pGapb0TUN_k0DUYHTa3bWEYIK-EH42n8kIZ5LBYA9i0F9DpBdD4dbwsAS9-Y8TTuEnSCXBjlpQGoWxGBGcXT7mNGDRIadXtQD/03.jpg)

Aitor, J.A. Henckels, Richartz HOBBY 1
(http://m9vxja.bay.livefilestore.com/y1p8EtLsCXA4xmPp-V0AtWVF3TedCGcRXkilGWqI9nwSzNbjg4UbfY091qGkrJZN1LME0Ti8WZmz7pt3EV8cEhC7m1MDNhp-CZ3/04.jpg)

Richartz Structure，Richartz ULTIMA
(http://m9vxja.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pv4RP2C-GvMteCvgqJZckhhj7ZX7hbNxrwStnamUQIa-laHXWyuTKwcDFN5X5KxI1t_3mQ2p8Cp1odct8pK6_CojN-r5CjzQ_/DSCN9287.jpg)

degen, degen
(http://m9vxja.bay.livefilestore.com/y1psLYI8eGUpr9UHHvM_lbxzbLBd94U7Etrrqf3VYM3lxgV4o23BDQYEQ19Ciq3nEQHWsdMNENcVWXL3rG3RRQOb4p405ykGTQe/00.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: J-sews on September 04, 2010, 10:24:55 PM: Those look lovely Kazuya :) I've heard a lot of nice things about Richartz knives. (Never handled one myself though) But this is the first I've heard of Degan....? Are they pretty good too?
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: M.TEX on September 04, 2010, 10:31:10 PM: Neil had the best of the "fake" ones so far....
Never seen anything like that....and it was made in Switzerland ( right ? )
wow !
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: stressmaster5000 on September 04, 2010, 10:36:27 PM: Klingon Space SAK! Given to Klingons who served in the Romulan war!
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/S-sP5DWemyI/AAAAAAAAJdg/KfQymYMq_7I/s800/Odd%20no%20name%2084mm-04.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/5ypf1LmBuxvyloCMIzxkvg?feat=embedwebsite)(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/S-sP9C21XrI/AAAAAAAAJds/oPxgcWN-NE4/s800/Odd%20no%20name%2084mm-07.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/-aEEd_f_tUUEAkliwU-ARA?feat=embedwebsite)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 04, 2010, 10:37:16 PM: :rofl:
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: stressmaster5000 on September 04, 2010, 10:38:49 PM: Richartz Maxi 9 in Stainless Steel scales.

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SbGtZncVHDI/AAAAAAAADqw/aftO_4UxgN8/s800/Richartz%202-1.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/v5OceMX_8pBg_39E37hDBA?feat=embedwebsite)(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SbGtb238sOI/AAAAAAAADrA/T8kMu0cRe0o/s800/Richartz%202-3.JPG) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6-Q7mLKRvIrd4RnArYlK-g?feat=embedwebsite)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: kazuya on September 04, 2010, 10:48:40 PM: Quote from: J-sews on September 04, 2010, 10:24:55 PM
Those look lovely Kazuya :) I've heard a lot of nice things about Richartz knives. (Never handled one myself though) But this is the first I've heard of Degan....? Are they pretty good too?

This is a 1980's produced Degen Knife,Manufactured in Solingen,West Germany.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Neil on September 05, 2010, 05:52:29 AM: Quote from: meanx on September 04, 2010, 05:15:36 PM
...
Neil,that Erinox looks stunning any more info on the maker?

Not really. A past member here did take the liberty of contancting Victorinox about it, the response was ...

It is definitively not a Victorinox and not a Wenger product. But in the past there were different cutleries in Switzerland producing there own knives. This model is very similar to our Swiss Army standard knife and can be made by one of these cutlerers. We think it is made in Switzerland and no fake. But unfortunately we cannot tell you from which company it was made.

Best regards

Urs Wyss

So its a bit of a mystery :)

You've got quite the range kazuya :tu: I'd never heard of Degen either :-[

Wayne, you know every time I see that funky opener I get the desire to go make a Klingon Homage SAK :D
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: duckman1975 on September 05, 2010, 07:14:14 AM: Anybody have a picture of Aitor model with the pliers, Aitor's folding pliers is very well engineered :tu:
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: kazuya on September 05, 2010, 10:00:48 AM: Quote from: Neil on September 05, 2010, 05:52:29 AM
You've got quite the range kazuya :tu: I'd never heard of Degen either :-[

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/degen-scout-knife-1980s-solingen-teflon-blades-mint-2 (http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/degen-scout-knife-1980s-solingen-teflon-blades-mint-2)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: J-sews on September 05, 2010, 04:47:09 PM: Quote from: duckman1975 on September 05, 2010, 07:14:14 AM
Anybody have a picture of Aitor model with the pliers, Aitor's folding pliers is very well engineered :tu:

Ooooh, I do! I do!

Here's an Aitor ej. navajas abiertas Police Knife. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/AitorejnavajasabiertasPoliceKnife-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: thebullfrog on September 05, 2010, 04:54:48 PM: That. Thing. Is. Awesome. Not sold on the functionality of it like that half inch saw, but man, that is an oh-so-sweet knife.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: J-sews on September 05, 2010, 05:00:31 PM: Yeah, that "saw" is pretty much a joke! :D
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: duckman1975 on September 06, 2010, 01:57:24 AM: Quote from: J-sews on September 05, 2010, 04:47:09 PM
Quote from: duckman1975 on September 05, 2010, 07:14:14 AM
Anybody have a picture of Aitor model with the pliers, Aitor's folding pliers is very well engineered :tu:

Ooooh, I do! I do!

Here's an Aitor ej. navajas abiertas Police Knife. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/AitorejnavajasabiertasPoliceKnife-1.jpg)

Thanks Bob, sweet pliers it :tu: Looks like they have the same with the folding of the Alinghi and mike horn knife pliers.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: nuphoria on September 06, 2010, 03:10:21 AM: I like that bonkers Aitor a lot :D

What is that tool on the left for? Rifle cleaning or something?
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: J-sews on September 06, 2010, 07:12:56 AM: Quote from: nuphoria on September 06, 2010, 03:10:21 AM
I like that bonkers Aitor a lot :D

What is that tool on the left for? Rifle cleaning or something?

The folding handle for the pliers..? ???
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: jalind on October 07, 2016, 05:45:25 AM: Didn't see one of these posted so I thought it would be appropriate . . .

The "old" post WWII German Army Knife (GAK) issued prior to 2003 when they began issuing a variant of the One-Hand Trekker. Upward of a dozen companies made these over the years, including Victorinox, to detailed specs. Tang markings show the manufacturer and this is usually all you can go by. At some point they added a nail file to the side of the combo saw/screwdriver/bottle&can opener tool. The saw is wickedly sharp, and some used ones are missing the guard that goes over it which is easily lost. This one is made by Büscher & Hertzberg (B&H), with no clue as to when other than pre-file era. The watch is a Hamilton and the compass a Cammenga H3 lensatic. Other than the GAK, all were once part of my Battle Rattle including the map case underneath them. I carried an earlier model 5-layer Vic Woodsman, a Buck 110 Hunter and a M7 bayonet. All three were used over two decades, quite fortunately not so much the M7 (which is still, by far, not the biggest blade I have).

(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/New%20Arrivals/Vintage%20GAK.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: jnoxyd on October 07, 2016, 12:39:18 PM: Aitor, Amefa and genuine SAK :)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: jnoxyd on October 07, 2016, 12:47:33 PM: This USA made Imperial is not SAK clone or copy, it just uses well known appearance.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: jalind on October 07, 2016, 06:28:55 PM: Quote from: JNOXID on October 07, 2016, 12:47:33 PM
This USA made Imperial is not SAK clone or copy, it just uses well known appearance.

:like:

The mfg year stamped on the tang looks like 1964, which is consistent with the stud on the bottle opener. It's a U.S. military MIL-K-818 with civilian scales. Has two dead giveaways if you know what they are, and how I immediately knew what it is. The stud on the bottle opener wasn't for opening the bottle opener blade, it was "to assist in the taking down of small arms", most notably the Springfield '03 and M1 Carbine, plus others. It was eliminated in 1972. With all the weapons I field stripped over the years, I never needed a short stud like that, so it probably wasn't essential, but helpful. The other is "can opener" stamped into the can opener. The original designers thought soldiers and marines wouldn't know what it was for if they didn't tell them. I don't recall anyone ever having to tell me what the can opener was for, or how to use it. It was rather intuitive. Undoubtedly a casual observer in the engineering department where they designed and tested it in 1943 probably asked, "What the Hell is THAT for?" and the rest is history. They were often called a "Demo Knife" because they were part of an infantry platoon's demolition kit. If there was anything went missing from that kit, the knife was the first thing to disappear. The MIL-K-818 weren't issued to individual soldiers like the Swiss, German, Dutch and other armies do with their utility knives. Company (and higher level) supply sergeants could requisition them as needed, and the cost comes out of the unit's budget for non-expendable supplies. In my 20 years I never directed any be requisitioned, and if my supply sergeant(s) did get some, it was no more than a few. You could also buy them at the clothing sales store, if they were in stock, just as you could buy replacement canteens, entrenching tools, ammo pouches and other battle rattle items if the ones you had been issued for use while assigned to your unit were lost, damaged or destroyed due to carelessness or negligence.

Imperial was one of a half dozen or so companies that made millions of them for Uncle Sam from 1944 into the mid 1990's. Schrade is among them. Camillus is probably the best known company in later years and Ontario Knife Company made a MIL-K-818D for a few years after Camillus closed. The MIL-K-818 were designed and first produced in 1944. Imperial was one of the first companies to make them during the war in partnership with Kingston (those have the Kingston name on them). Post war, the various companies making them over the years leveraged on their major parts fabrication and made more millions of them for the retail market with civilian scales, often bone, antler, horn, or Delrin, and sometimes stainless steel. I saw them by droves as a Boy Scout and later in the military, either a MIL-K-818 or one like yours with civilian scales. They were ubiquitous. In my scouting era, if a Boy Scout had a pocket knife, 10:1 odds it was one of these MIL-K-818 knives in civilian scales, with an occasional one in stamped and rolled stainless steel military scales.

Yours is in superb condition considering it's over 50 years old. I've attached a photo I found of two MIL-K-818 knives (they're not mine). The upper one is an Imperial made during the stud era prior to 1972, and the lower one a Western made after the stud was eliminated in 1972. The resemblance to yours is more than striking.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: gene stoner on October 07, 2016, 08:33:14 PM: My old colonial.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: ThePeacent on October 07, 2016, 09:31:45 PM: Aitor are nice, we Spaniards are pretty proud of them

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03614_zpsqoeuusnn.jpg)
Here is my little one:

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03683_zpssoywctp4.jpg)
they ain't no Vics, but they are well built

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03620_zpsbls9rxlz.jpg)

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03629_zpspxpc9fky.jpg)

"fake" multitools are way worse in most cases:

(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-08/CAM03624_zpsivs6en7k.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on October 07, 2016, 11:54:09 PM: FOX KNIVES
ITALY
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: AndyTiedye on October 08, 2016, 11:23:35 AM: Some Aitors
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161008/795f54959320c13ac19e31a6874dbcd0.jpg)

A Bulldog from Solingen
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161008/789b140e0753be6be9e03eb097460e1a.jpg)
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 08, 2016, 11:51:10 AM: Quote from: Neil on September 04, 2010, 02:35:36 PM

Finally, one to throw the cat in with the pigeons...

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/erinox-1.jpg)

Its Swiss but not Wenger or Victorinox.

That red Erinox one looks fantastic!
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: shibafu on October 09, 2016, 03:34:21 PM: Great history Jalind, thanks for posting that :tu:

I do like the look of that Fox.
Title: Re: The ones we don't talk about.
Post by: sakwakky on November 27, 2018, 12:42:15 AM: beautiful Rothlisberger! do you still have it?

heres mine