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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Max Stone on August 22, 2019, 09:39:47 PM
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Victorinox list thirty 91mm Medium Pocket Knives on their home web site, so I thought...mmm...sounds like a 30-day Challenge!
Seeing I have (almost) the complete range, I decided to give it a go.
So this will be my 30 Days and 30 SAKs Challenge, with a post of a different SAK each day for 30 consecutive days.
The spin is that it will be only 91mm SAKs, and I will follow the current range layer by layer, starting with the Compact tomorrow.
For those eagle-eyes, yes, the current 91mm range is actually only 28 knives as Victorinox list two Swiss Champs separately (Silvertech and Red), and technically, the Traveller Set is a Huntsman with Plus scales.
This challenge will overlap the September Modified SAKs Challenge, but I don’t mind carrying two SAKs, and it will be fun to compare a different current SAK each day to my Yeoman WS mod.
Below is a diagram showing the 91mm current range so you have an idea of the journey and can follow along.
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Very nice idea, just be aware that you can only request one badge if you do two challenges parallelly. If that's not a concern for you, go for it! :tu:
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Not a worry, I’ll see which one at the end of Sept... :salute:
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You would also have the retired 91mm models to add in your 30 day. That would put you over easily. :tu:
Good luck! :cheers:
On the side line :popcorn:
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And then some!
...I’ve got a couple in reserve to close out the 30 days, but you’ll have to wait to see what they are :popcorn:
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And then some!
...I’ve got a couple in reserve to close out the 30 days, but you’ll have to wait to see what they are :popcorn:
:rofl:
Ill be here! :cheers:
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Sounds like a fun challenge to watch.
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:iagree: :tu:
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:popcorn:
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Oh I'll be following this :popcorn:
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Good luck with the challenge :popcorn:
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Thanks everyone for your support - here goes!
Day 1:
The 2-layer Compact is the sole representative in the current 91mm range that has the Combo Tool instead of the opener layer. Victorinox had others in the past, with interesting names like ‘Scientist’, ‘Engineer’ and ‘Yeoman’, but sadly these are all discontinued.
The Compact is a compromise of size vs. function, saving a layer but replacing the small blade with a tool intended to do multiple tasks.
The Compact is a popular EDC carry, especially for light-duty/light carry. The fact that it is vastly outnumbered by its more capable 91mm brothers should not detract from its abilities, especially in the size department, and that it has the excellent Victorinox scissors in the second layer.
Almost unique to the Compact, Victorinox added a small file area to the back of the Hook Tool. Not much use for more than touching up a rough fingernail, it is nevertheless a useful addition to this SAK.
The Compact also sports Plus scales, adding the useful pen into a slot on the bottom scale. Victorinox also adds the pin and mini-screwdriver accessories as standard.
Pros:
- Small and light
- Smallest 91mm to have scissors
- Plus scales
Cons:
- Combo tool is a compromise
- No small blade
- Expensive
Bottom line:
The most capable of the 2-layer 91mm SAKs, but overshadowed by the more popular Climber.
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Nice way to begin :tu:.
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Silly me, I read the title that you were going to do a day by day with a 91mm Ranger. :facepalm:
This journey sounds fun Max, now that I understand the concept!
I will be looking in, I mainly carry the 91mm sized knives, along with a 58mm Vagabond. :tu:
I enjoyed your first entry. :cheers:
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A very good first day! :tu: :cheers:
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Oh I'll be following this :popcorn:
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Oh, man! There's no mention of The Hook in the chart!
:twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:
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Yup, I did not list all the back tools on the chart. :D
The idea was an at-a-glance guide to highlight what’s between the blade and opener layers to help with identification. Some details got ignored :cheers:
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I'll be following too, great start :tu:
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Cool description. The Compact is the knife that got me really back into SAKs. I even have a custom modded one with the phillips and awl in place of the corkscrew and hook as back tools.
As you said, I also think it is a shame that they discontinued and do not make more with the combo tool.
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Thanks 🆘 and Greg! :hatsoff:
Day 2
The Spartan is a 2-layer SAK that really defines the whole 91mm Victorinox range, having the base tools that almost all other Victorinox knives have.
The fist layer holds the large and small blade, while the second layer holds the openers that also do duty as screwdrivers. The back tools includes the ubiquitous corkscrew and awl.
Starting life, in its current design, known as the Standard, the Spartan has essentially the same tools as the original Officer’s Knife going back to 1897 (SAKWiki image below), so owning a Spartan is in a way, owning a little piece of history.
Most 91mm SAKs are based on the Spartan. The openers and blades stay as the outside layers, with new layers and tools added in between.
Benefiting from being only 2-layers, the Spartan almost disappears in any pocket, but still has some of the most useful tools on a SAK. It is the most popular 91mm SAK, and the most affordable in the range.
Pros:
- Easy to carry
- Good set of essential tools
- Very affordable
Cons:
- Only covers the basics
Bottom line:
The closest to the original Officer’s Knife, the Spartan represents the core values of a Victorinox SAK; compact, versatile and affordable. The Spartan rightly holds the spot at the top of the family tree as the original 91mm SAK. :salute:
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:like:
With the history, you've convinced me I have to have a Spartan :cheers:
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Cheers Greg! :hatsoff:
...you won’t be disappointed. :salute:
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I like that older one in the very first photo. Wish I could find. Great information! :cheers:
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The Spartan has a great name and its a must for any collection.
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I enjoyed the read for day 2. :tu: The Spartan never has the hook no matter how new it is, which is a plus for some.
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I enjoyed the read for day 2. :tu: The Spartan never has the hook no matter how new it is, which is a plus for some.
True and I believe its a sissors thing...sissors on the top and hook on the bottom.
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Nice write-ups on each SAK for Days 1 and 2 Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Great idea this thread! :like:
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Thanks Rapidray, Aloha, FB, Mini, VICMAN :hatsoff:
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Day 3
The Tinker is the last of the 2-layer SAKs in the 91mm lineup I’m reviewing. Basically a Spartan with a Phillips instead of a Corkscrew as a back layer tool.
Arguably a more practical tool load than the Spartan, as there’s probably more opportunities to use the Phillips driver than the corkscrew, unless you’re a wine buff!
Of course, the ergonomics of using the Phillips is rather compromised, being a back layer tool...but the driver tip is well-made and it will engage a decent sized screw head, as long as you’ve got room to access the screw.
As a (slightly) more modern SAK, the Tinker loses a bit of character compared to the iconic Spartan, and for practically, the Super Tinker with scissors is probably a better option. But the Tinker’s a good option if you’re looking for a smaller 91mm with a dedicated Phillips.
Pros:
- Dedicated Phillips
- Small and light
Cons:
- Phillips awkward to use
- Limited tool set
Bottom line:
A popular alternative to the Spartan, sporting a Phillips driver, but unless you must have 2-layers, the Super Tinker is a better option.
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I never understood the Tinker. I was so wrong. Its a great 2 layer SAK and wonderful in 84mm. Nice choice.
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Very nice. You are doing a great job! Great info and photos! :cheers:
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This topic is my new daily read as I enjoy my tea. :tu:
As for the Tinker, lots of folks love it. When I didn't know which SAK to buy for my brothers and dad, they mentioned the Tinker.
It's slim enough to pocket carry like a Compact, but has the Phillips and full opener layer that many like as well. :hatsoff:
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Thanks FB, Rapidray, Aloha :hatsoff:
As a minimalist option with good-sized tools, the Tinker is hard to beat. A case of ‘less is more’ :salute:
Onto the 3-layers tomorrow :popcorn:
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You're tempting me with these 2 layer 91mms, I don't have one yet but that's going to change :cheers: maybe both
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Onto the 3-layers tomorrow :popcorn:
Can't wait! My first SAK was a 3-layer! :cheers:
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You're tempting me with these 2 layer 91mms, I don't have one yet but that's going to change :cheers: maybe both
Can’t go wrong Greg...also very affordable :tu:
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Can't wait! My first SAK was a 3-layer! :cheers:
Always a good choice FB :hatsoff:
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Im definitely following this. :like:
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Looking forward to more of this thread - great idea
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Nice Day 3 pics and summary Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thanks BadMechanic, Intorikata, VICMAN :hatsoff:
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Max, what a great series you have started here. I'm learning something new each time I read your posts, even though I already have a Compact and Spartan (No Tinker yet, and as you pointed out, I think a Super Tinker would be a better choice first). Each new post has been well thought out and concise. I look forward to following your entire series. :cheers:
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Thank you jph_777. I know there are many with more knowledge (and SAKs) than I have, but the fun of this forum is sharing ideas and experiences. :hatsoff:
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I own a couple Tinkers but mainly because they seem to be the SAK that most 91mm specials scales come on.
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Day 4
Over half the 91mm range is made up of 3- and 4-layer SAKs, clearly the market sweet-spot.
In many ways, the 3 layer SAKs provide the most interesting options, as you are typically picking just one extra tool to squeeze between the blade and opener layers. You have to be just that bit more selective in your choice, and these SAKs have strong identities linked to their individual characters.
There are just four of these middle layer options available; scissors, wood saw, inline Phillips/LED, and a bit driver.
It is the bit driver SAK that gets our attention today, known as the Cybertool Small.
Originally called (and still by many), the Cybertool 29 (for 29 functions), the CT-29 sports one of the most recent tools created by Victorinox; a bit driver that accepts interchangeable, reversible bits.
And there are two party-tricks the CT-29 has up its sleeve; the bit driver is a decent length, giving a reach not far off a full-sized screwdriver, and the CT-29 stores another three bits in a clever swing-out holder that tucks under the driver, each reversible, giving this SAK a total of eight interchangeable options.
Marketed as a tool for computer geeks, the Cybertool is really just a more modern alternative to having dedicated, separate tools. A route also taken by other manufacturers, such as Leatherman and Gerber.
The CT-29 has bigger brothers that we will cover in later days, but even as a 3-layer SAK, the CT-29 is quite wide due to the bit driver. It’s actually a little thicker than the 4-layer Huntsman, making it just about pocketable (but noticeable) for EDC.
Pros:
- excellent interchangeable bit driver
- Still has the core Spartan tools
- Supplier with Plus scales
Cons:
- More like a 4-layered SAK in size
- Limited to the bits that you get with it
- Expensive
Bottom line:
A fairly significant innovation for Victorinox, the Cybertool adds a tool that is almost as good as a dedicated bit driver, while maintaining the already capable Spartan tool set. Just a shame the driver is incompatible with generic 4mm bits.
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Great thread Max! The bit holder is a great addition to the Vic line, and I had long considered getting the CT29 - in fact I almost modded my CT lite into this as I really wanted that bit holder to be central, and not off to one side as it is in the CT34, so when I broke up the CT lite for my EDC project of marrying the torch/mag layer from the CT lite to a compact, I toyed around with the layers and settled with my take on the CT34, and a new 3 layer EDC - I plan on packing it with Wera interchangeable mini screwdriver for work when we come to swap message switches over.
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Very informative thread Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
I think as this thread progresses you will inspire others to try some of the SAKs they have not considered before. :cheers:
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I'm liking Day 4, that's one I wasn't aware of :hatsoff:
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Another excellent day write up! The CT’s are very interesting SAK’s. :cheers:
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Thanks VICMAN, Rapidray, Greg. :hatsoff:
And nice reinterpretation of the CT-34 with the driver central in the SAK Rizio :like:
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Cheers, Max :hatsoff: Looking forward to future installations on this thread - I’m certainly learning more about the Vic line-up! :popcorn:
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I'm one who still refers to this model as the CT29. It can be a bit of work finding bits but there are threads of dedicated members who have done so. Nice carry today.
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Informative write up Max! Sure glad I have one already otherwise I'd be looking to buy one. :tu:
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Thanks FB, Aloha, Rizio :hatsoff:
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Day 5
So the next on our journey is one of the most popular Victorinox SAKs; the Climber.
Adding the excellent Vic scissors to the base Spartan tool set creates a SAK that is ideal for pocket EDC when you want to keep to a maximum of 3-layers.
In fact, three out of the seven 91mm 3-layer SAKs available sport scissors in their middle layer, so there’s no doubt that this is a popular option.
And it’s this popularity that gives the Climber some competition it its weight class. You could take the Traveller that’s got identical tools but adds a useful multifunctional digital display...or the Super Tinker that switches the corkscrew for a Phillips driver. Not forgetting the Compact that can do much of what the Climber can do...but with one layer less.
So the Climber has some very capable competitors eating into its market share.
That said, the Climber remains a firm favorite as a no-nonsense SAK with the most essential tools needed for general purpose EDC.
You’ll also find one of the biggest ranges of scale options on the Climber, including some very attractive limited edition and special release models. In fact, it’s quite possible that you could be kept very busy just collecting Climbers (and earlier historic versions).
Of course, the scissors also bring another tool to the party (at least since 1991); the multipurpose hook, placed as a back tool, and the cause of much debate among SAK users. Personally, I’ve never used it to carry bundles of magazines, to tighten boot laces, reattach trampoline springs or lift a pot off a camp fire...but it’s good at any of these and many more undefined uses, so it’s really not an issue for me. It just adds a little more usefulness to an already very capable little pocket carry.
Pros:
- Versatile and effective scissors
- Still small enough for pocket EDC
- Large range of colours and designs
Cons:
- Not much
Bottom line:
As a general purpose, pocketable SAK, you really can’t go wrong with the Climber. Sure, you can go a layer less with the Compact, but you lose the small blade and dedicated openers. The only real alternative in the 3-layer category is the Super Tinker, if you’re OK with the ergonomics of the back Phillips.
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Nice review of the Climber Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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An excellent thread...way to go! :salute:
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Hi Max
This really is a great idea for a 30-day challenge - Maybe even my favourite challenge thread!!
And your write ups and descriptions are absolutely spot on
Thanks :tu:
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Nice write-ups.
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Thanks 🆘, VICMAN, Chako and Huntsman for the kind words! :hatsoff:
I’m enjoying the challenge too, and just getting into it :salute:
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Another great day! Review, photos all great. :cheers:
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:iagree:
Ray beat me to it :hatsoff:
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Scissors, I love 'em. :tu:
I forgot that the Climber has so many special scales and the reason I have quite a few in my collection.
Another morning where I lept into the office, and frantically looked for your topic for an informative read, thank you Max! :hatsoff:
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Not having scissors on my primary SAK just mean I get to carry a second :D. Nice carry today.
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Not having scissors on my primary SAK just mean I get to carry a second :D. Nice carry today.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:iagree: 110% thats why I carry a second also! Sometimes 3 :whistle: My Woodsman is always with me because of the magnifying glass.
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Thanks Rapidray, Aloha, FB, Greg... :hatsoff:
I’m pleased everyone’s enjoying the thread!
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We are. I look forward to this one.
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Thanks Intorikata :hatsoff:
Day 6
The saying “...use the right tool for the job” is just as relevant with a Swiss Army knife. Many a SAK user has witnessed the twisted blade tip or damaged scissor edge from misuse; damage that is avoidable with just a little user care and awareness.
And while the scissors and screwdrivers are useful tools for the urban jungle, the picture changes when you step out your back door or venture off the beaten path.
This takes us to the next SAK up for a mini-review, the Camper. Like many, I love the outdoors. Being closer to nature and needing to be self-sufficient (even if just for a few days) is soul-food and probably the best way to disengage from the hectic lifestyles many of us lead.
The Camper adds an essential tool for the outdoors, the wood saw. And it’s not some compromised tool just for emergency use. No, the Victorinox crosscut wood saw is an extremely effective cutting tool that can handle up to a one inch cross-section with ease.
There are several reasons why this saw is so effective, so a little background is called for. There are four characteristics we can touch on; Pitch, Rake, Fleam, and Set. Pitch is simply the number of saw points, or coarseness of the saw, which in turn defines how deep the gaps are between the teeth. This is a big factor in how efficiently the tool carries saw dust away from the cut, or kerf. The Vic wood saw has a relatively course pitch optimized for wood, but equally good at cutting PVC piping and other soft but stable materials.
Rake is the angle of the cutting face of the tooth and determines the aggressiveness of the cut. The more gentle the rake, the easier the saw is to push. So starting the cut is easier but progress is slower. A steeper rake cuts faster but can feel grabbier. It also takes more care to get started as the blade can hop around on the wood before getting established in the groove. The Vic saw has a well-balanced rake that is the same angle front and back, making it efficient regardless of pushing or pulling on the saw.
Fleam is the angle across the face of the tooth in the cut direction. It makes every tooth a little knife that slices the grain rather than chopping it like a chisel. The more fleam the cleaner the cut but the weaker the tooth. If you look closely at the Vic saw, you can see that each tooth is a miniature knife allowing an extremely effective cutting process, much like the teeth of a shark. In fact, the side-to-side action a shark uses is the same technique used by your Vic’s saw to cut wood.
The final characteristic is the ‘set’ of the saw. This is the amount of offset the teeth have to either side of the tooth line, or how far they are bent outwards to widen the kerf and allow the saw to run without binding. However, the wider the kerf the more wood you remove, so progress is slower and less precise as the saw can now wiggle about. This is why joinery saws always have less set than general purpose hand saws. The Vic saw has a very slight set that is not immediately apparent; but on close inspection you will see that the back of the saw blade is slightly thinner than the saw’s edge, creating a slight set once the teeth are machined into the blank tool.
And an often overlooked reason why the Vic saw is so effective is the thinness of the blade. Removing less wood simply makes progress faster. All-in-all, the Vic saw is a marvelous example of a well-designed and effective tool, truly optimized for folding away and keeping in your pocket. Give that some thought next time you’re using your Camper in the great outdoors!
Pros:
- Excellent saw for small diameter wood
- Small enough to carry in any pocket
- Very affordable
Cons:
- Won’t replace a full-size saw for bigger jobs
- Cleaning the saw can take time
Bottom line:
Fire and shelter are two essential requirements when away from your urban environment, and the Camper with its capable saw can be a real help in these two and many other requirements. There’s really no excuse not to have a Camper or any of the saw-equipped SAKs close at hand when out and about.
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Great write-up and pics of the Camper Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Solid challenge Max! :hatsoff:
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Fantastic writeup on the Camper, specifically the Saw :tu:
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:woohoo: The Camper! :woohoo:
Such wonderful information Max, I feel more educated about the wood saw. :tu:
My first SAK was a Camper and I distinctly remember buying it because of the saw.
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Oh boy, what a great write up on the saw! I have always loved the saw because it is so efficient. I never knew why it is so efficient untill now. Thanks for sharing! :hatsoff: :cheers:
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:iagree: with everything they ^^^ said :hatsoff:. I really like those scales a lot on the Camper. I also really like the name. Vic has some great names for their SAKs but this one is spot on.
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Thanks VICMAN, RF52, Greg, FB, Rapidray, Aloha. :hatsoff:
Appreciate the comments and feedback. :salute:
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Max, this is one of the best writeups for SAK saw I've read, excellent job!
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Great write-up. I first learned about the SAK saw backpacking with the Girl Scouts. We had a larger folding saw for the whole group, but the counselors each had a SAK with a wood saw. The next trip, I made sure I had a SAK with a wood saw.
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Thanks comis, FB, 🆘 :hatsoff: :hatsoff:
The wood saw sure is a great SAK tool. :tu:
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Day 7
So far we have covered Vic’s scissors and wood saw as the central tool options in the 3-layer 91mm lineup. Both excellent tools, driving good demand for their respective owners, the Climber and Camper.
But there’s another tool that gets a lot of interest from SAK users; the inline Phillips screwdriver. And this tool gets our attention today, as we’re covering the Spartan Lite.
Bit first, as the name implies, we have to deal with a rather questionable feature. Victorinox introduced a small LED flashlight into their 91mm lineup some years ago. Running on two button cells, the output is hardly stellar, and while it has become brighter in recent years as LED technology improves, it’s never going to be more than a few lumens...enough to help you find a keyhole on the dark, or help you avoid tripping on a dark stairway.
I use my mobile phone as a flashlight when needed, or I carry a small AA Fenix if I know I may need one ahead of time. So for me, having a tiny LED on a SAK is largely a waste of time, especially as it means you cannot deep rinse the SAK for cleaning, and you can’t remove the LED if you want to illuminate what you’re trying to use the SAK for in the dark, the very time you would need a low-output flashlight! There’s a 6-layer exception, but that’s for another day. But for the rest of the ‘Lite’-equipped SAKs, the LED is a non-feature in my book.
So with that out the way...let’s return to the tool tethered to the opposite pivot; the inline Phillips. And as bad as the LED is as a flashlight, the Phillips is at the opposite end of the spectrum, because it’s really good!
Unlike the ergonomically-challenging Phillips found as a back tool (like on the Tinkers), the inline Phillips snaps out to become a pointy one inch extension of the SAK, with a good-sized cross-head and strong (4mm) tool thickness. It even has a 90 degree detent, for increased torque or for difficult-to-reach spots. As an extra bonus, the inline Phillips is perfectly central in this 3-layer SAK, making it super-easy to rotate in your hand (did I hear someone say Yeoman mod?)
Actually, the inline Phillips is such an A+ tool, you can overlook the F- tool its paired with on the Spartan Lite. Sadly, with the extra cost and questionable LED, the Spartan Lite often gets overlooked. Even if they sex-it-up with a mini screwdriver accessory and transparent scales.
Of all the paired tools in a SAK layer, the inline Phillips and LED probably top the list for ‘best and worst’ implementation of a dedicated, stand-alone tool.
But when all is said and done, the Spartan Lite still has a great base toolset and an excellent inline Phillips, so it’s still a great SAK for pocket carry. Maybe switching the button cells for some headache pills would be more useful, especially if you bump your head on the dark.
Pros:
- Excellent inline Phillips driver
- Still a Spartan under the skin
Cons:
- LED all but useless and cannot be removed
- Expensive Spartan upgrade
Bottom line:
Much overlooked, the Spartan Lite has the best implementation of an inline Phillips on any current 91m SAK, but made almost completely redundant by the 4-layer Explorer that ditches the useless LED for the (slightly more useful) magnifier, while adding scissors.
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Huge fan of the inline driver :tu:. It actually seems a lot stronger than the one on the Spirit? Meaning my Spirits driver is really starting to show wear while my Explorer is barely sweating :dunno:.
It would be neat to see a total redesign of the LED enclosure. There is an terrific mod here on MTo somewhere on the scale LED. Anyways, nice carry today.
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The inline Phillips is a nice additional tool to have on the SAK’s. I like mine!
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Bonus shot...the LED in use. Oh, and the button has two positions, instantaneous and latching. Which could make this SAK useful as an unattended beacon for a military deployment...or maybe not. :facepalm:
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Another enjoyable read Max. :like: I like the inline Phillips too.
I have had a couple of customs made and I usually have that tool included if possible. It's always opposite a magnifier though.
I do think the newer LEDs are brighter. I have an Expedition kit with an inline LED and it's much stronger than one of my older SAKs, even when the older one has fresh batteries.
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Nice review of the Climber Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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This was my first "real" SAK, the one that started it awl. I since discovered an infinity of models and it doesn't get carried as much as it used to, but is still one of the favourites!
:cheers: :tu:
Keep up the good work, bro!
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Oh my goodness Max
Day 7 tells me you don't love awl things Vic :o
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Oh my goodness Max
Day 7 tells me you don't love awl things Vic :o
:pok: yep, the LED is probably the most pointless tool developed by Victorinox, but I still love them awl (like children :D )
Thanks pfrsantos, FB, Rapidray, Aloha :hatsoff:
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Day 7
But there’s another tool that gets a lot of interest from SAK users; the inline Phillips screwdriver. And this tool gets our attention today, as we’re covering the Spartan Lite.
Great pics and another good review Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Max... Well done! Are you a writer in your other life? I look forward to reading your mini reviews each day! :salute:
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Another great write up, looking forward to tomorrow :hatsoff:
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:iagree: as am I :cheers:
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Thanks VICMAN, jph_777, Greg, Rapidray :hatsoff:
Kind of a rant today...but thanks for all the feedback :salute:
No, writing’s not my strongpoint. I just think I’ve read too many reviews in my life... :cheers:
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I used to have a Spartan Lite, but it's in pieces now :rofl: Some tools made it's way to my mod though :like:
Great quick reviews Max! :cheers:
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Thanks RF52. :hatsoff:
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Great write-up. I too love the inline phillips, but strongly prefer the other pairing of the magnifying glass, which I also like.
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Thanks Sos. :hatsoff:
Yes the inline Phillips is one of the best SAK tools imo
Day 8
The last 3-layer with corkscrew I’m reviewing is the Traveler. This is really just a Climber with a digital top scale.
As I reviewed the Climber a few days ago, I’ll focus on the digital side of this SAK. Grab a cup of coffee, there’s a bit of reading here...
Victorinox used to have two different digital scale options in the 91mm range; one for time functions (the Voyager), and one for atmospheric measurements (the Altimeter). Presumably Victorinox took the opportunity to combine both when they were forced to do a redesign, possibly due to an EOL component such as the LCD display. Today we are left with just the Traveler in the 3-layer range.
The digital scale uses a real-time clock, powered by a single button cell, to keep time. Functions include hour:min display, with PM icon or 24-hours...but no seconds.
It also has a single alarm function with a basic ‘beep...beep...beep’ sound that may (or may not) wake you up.
In keeping with all good digital timepieces, it also has a countdown timer that can be set to count down to a beep...beep alarm, from 9hrs 59min, and including seconds below 10 minutes.
And it also has a stopwatch that counts up in seconds, without any sub-second recording (sorry, no chance to do the Casio start/stop reflex test here...)
Timing functions run independently, so you can time your hard-boiled eggs while you check how long the toaster takes to pop.
Rather than spoil the sleek lines of the SAK with protruding buttons, Victorinox cleverly engineered the button into the shield on the scale. Yes...just one button.
Pressing and releasing it steps through the various functions, with a little icon on the top row indicating the mode you’re in. Round clock face, wind-up alarm clock, ding-dong bell and old-fashioned stopwatch.
Holding the button down in any of the time modes does two things. After 1 second, the back-light comes on for a few seconds (electroluminescent). Keeping the button pressed for a further second will cause it to beep once and enter the setting mode, or starting the stopwatch if in that mode.
Now the fun starts! As there is only one button, the display shows a little up arrow, allowing you to advance the time (for the clock, alarm or timer), either by press/release (single step), or by holding in (fast and after a few second, faster). If you pause and release for 2-3 seconds, the arrow automatically changes to point down, and now you can press the button to step the values backwards. If you do nothing, you get another chance (2-3 seconds later) to increase again as the arrow switches to up, and one final time down again. If you wait for the arrow to cycle up/down, you can press and adjust the time up and down indefinitely (or until the novelty wears off). Once you’re satisfied (if not a bit confused), you simply wait the 2-3 seconds without pressing the button, and the value is set. Confusingly simple.
Starting/stopping the stopwatch is a similar press-and-wait affair. The stopwatch will run 2 seconds behind the event you are timing due to the press/hold requirement, but the 2-second stop delay (also needs press/hold) means the timing will be accurate overall...somewhat clever.
Press/hold for a few more seconds resets the stopwatch.
Using just one button for all this functionality is quite challenging, and can test your patience. But with a little muscle-memory and practice, it begins to make sense.
Independent to the time-keeping circuitry, the digital scale also includes an atmospheric pressure/temperature sensor. This is utilized to calculate the estimated altitude (selectable in m or ft), barometric trend (weather forecast) and temperature (selectable in C or F).
Pressing the single button cycles through these three functions, but mixed in-between the timing functions. For some reason, Victorinox chose to have the order Time/Altitude/Baro trend/Alarm/Timer/Stopwatch/Temperature. A little triangular Matterhorn mounting icon for altitude, the word ‘baro’ for the weather trend, and no icon for temp, as I guess the degree C or F gives it away.
Press/hold in these modes also allows setting. In the altitude mode you can set the altitude to a known reference and tell the system what algorithm to use to calculate the altitude based on the measured pressure and temperature (standard, hot or cold climate). You can reset the barometric trend graph and adjust all the units when in the temperature mode.
The circuitry is fairly basic compared to some sensor-equipped watches. You cannot tell the system if you are stationary (so that pressure changes are interpreted as weather-related), so the barometric trend graph is only accurate if your altitude is relatively constant over a few hours. This also means that the altitude value will drift at one location as pressure varies due to weather.
But the sensor is extremely accurate at measuring pressure, and when calibrated (against a GPS altitude), it gives accurate readings. Just climbing one flight or stairs will show a change, and the readings across 2 devices are never more than a couple of meters apart.
The temperature needs a good half-hour to adjust from pocket to ambient (similar issue with watch-based sensors), but is also accurate to within a couple of degrees when compared to other sensors that I have.
Overall, the seven modes are quite useful and not too gimmicky. If I had the chance to suggest improvements, I’d change the bell icon to an hourglass as it’s easy to confuse the bell (timer) with the alarm clock. I’d also add the option for a hourly beep as this hardly uses any power, but is a nice reminder as time goes by. I’d also add a light sensor so that the press/hold does not activate the backlighting and drain the battery, unless it’s dark. But these are small gripes and don’t detract from the usefulness of this device.
While I’ve been tempted to pop off the digital scale (it appears to attach the conventional way), there are no tool recesses (tweezers, etc), so I’d likely damage the scales’s plastic edge or twist the circuitry which would not be good. Fortunately, the scale is transparent, although frosted, so some of the electronics are visible for the curious onlooker.
The LCD display has a really tough plastic window overlay, clearly beefed-up to prevent damage for knocks and drops. It’s also slightly recessed, reducing scratches when the SAK slides around on its top scale. The digital scale is a couple mm thicker than a normal scale, but it’s hardly noticeable and in this Climber version, does not affect its carry-ability.
With some design genius, Victorinox managed to squeeze all four Plus tools on the non-digital scale by using slightly shorter tweezers that are stored in a slot on the opposite side to the pen and toothpick. Vic also include the pin and mini-screwdriver with the digital Climber (sorry, Traveler).
One consideration is that you can never let the Traveler get wet. The electronics and battery compartment are not sealed so it could be easily damaged by water ingress if dropped in a puddle. This also means that the standard soak/rinse cleaning method is a no-no. As a side note, water generally damages low-voltage electronics not from short-circuits, but from electrolysis corrosion. Equipment can be saved if you remove the battery immediately on water contact, and dry the circuitry fully. Something worth remembering if you accidentally dunk your Traveler.
Pros:
- Fun digital features that actually work
- Digital scale is built to be tough
- Climber tool set always a winner
Cons:
- Single button interface can be frustrating
- Not sealed against water
- Very expensive for what it is
Bottom line:
While there’s really no need to have a digital timepiece with atmospheric sensors on your SAK, it’s a fun addition that adds to the already excellent “fiddle” quality of any SAK. Makes a great gift or as an emergency egg timer.
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Another great read Max! :cheers:
I'm a fan of the digital scales. I went camping and the first night my iWatch ran out of battery, no problem, my iPhone still had juice, but it was running low, it was then that I realized how nice it was to have something that didn't need plugged in each night to tell me the time.
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Thanks FB. You make a good point. I actually don’t know how long the battery will last. I think the electroluminescent backlighting will shorten it significantly, but I’d expect maybe 12 months normal use, similar to a sensor-equipped non-solar Casio.
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:tu:. Nice write up. Lots of great info on that SAK.
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Bonus shot...the LED in use. Oh, and the button has two positions, instantaneous and latching. Which could make this SAK useful as an unattended beacon for a military deployment...or maybe not. :facepalm:
Really enjoying these write ups, particularly the Camper with excellent saw essay and the Spartan Lite with LED character assassination. This picture tells its own story really...and may be added as an illustration next to the word 'feeble' in the dictionary.
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Thanks Sos. :hatsoff:
Yes the inline Phillips is one of the best SAK tools imo
Day 8
The last 3-layer with corkscrew I’m reviewing is the Traveler. This is really just a Climber with a digital top scale.
As I reviewed the Climber a few days ago, I’ll focus on the digital side of this SAK. Grab a cup of coffee, there’s a bit of reading here...
Bottom line:
While there’s really no need to have a digital timepiece with atmospheric sensors on your SAK, it’s a fun addition that adds to the already excellent “fiddle” quality of any SAK. Makes a great gift or as an emergency egg timer.
Interesting write-up Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thanks VICMAN, Aloha, fullbreakfast :hatsoff:
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Nice in depth write up :hatsoff:
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Thanks Greg. :hatsoff:
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Another goodie Max - Thanks once again.
I could not believe all those functions could be controlled by one button - It's crazy - But clever.
I have a Traveller and really have to learn the button functions :pok:
I did use it as my EDC for a while - It was really fun going to work in the lift and seeing the altimeter zoom up and down !!
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While there’s really no need to have a digital timepiece with atmospheric sensors on your SAK, it’s a fun addition that adds to the already excellent “fiddle” quality of any SAK. Makes a great gift or as an emergency egg timer.
I gotta disagree with this statement.
I used to do a lot of hiking and climbing (in the Alps and Scotland) - Of course I always have a SAK with me - Which used to be my Huntsman - although saw not really needed.
I also used to carry a separate altimeter which is a very important navigational tool - As is a timepiece BTW!! - Especially in low cloud or white out conditions.
Everyone thinks a compass is the most important navigational tool - But the watch and altimeter are equally important - As you have to know when you expect to arrive at your destination based on your bearing and distance - And if you can check your height too when you get there - Then you have a very good chance of very accurate navigation and progress.
Now I have a Traveller I have my SAK and altimeter and timepiece all in one!
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Yes, much like sensor watches (like Casio G-Shock, Protrek, etc), most are never used where the information they supply can be of real value (like your hiking example), and I suspect that 4 out of 5 Travelers fall into this category too. In the watch collecting forums, they refer to ‘desk divers’ when a watch designed for diving (100m+) is used more in a terrestrial environment (the owner may not even swim). The Traveler’s sensors are certainly very capable and it would be a good pocket choice for hiking. However, I still maintain it’s a SAK of interest mostly for its fun-factor.
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Hi Max,
I just got caught up on your challenge this morning. Fantastic reading and highly enjoyable, and this from guy who's been collecting/accumulating VSAKs for 40 years.
What compelled me to reply, other than to offer my compliments and thanks, is this write up on the Traveller. I've resisted these non-traditional SAKs my whole life (e.g., the timekeeper, ick) but your mini-article has convinced me I need one. I'm a mechanical watch nerd, so I always know the time and don't want to have to rely on batteries for time-telling. However, I love knowing the temperature on a camping trip, and barometric and altitude data would just be fun to have as well. Finally, although I'm not a scuba diver, I usually will wear a dive watch on a camping trip because the timing bezel is so handy for things like cooking rice or oatmeal. However, sometimes I won't have a dive watch on and then you're really screwed for timing simple events.
Obviously the answer here is the Traveller! Your article convinced me, and I'll be buying one the next time Victorinox has a site-wide sale or promotion. Thanks again and congratulations on your amazing challenge. I suspect there are a lot of other people like me who are reading it and following along without leaving specific comments.
Myron
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Thank you Myron for your encouragement, and you can’t go wrong with the Traveler for its extra functionality. I have the Traveler Lite too (will be reviewed later in the challenge) which may be an even better option as you get the LED and inline Phillips, if you’re OK with 4 layers. :hatsoff:
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Day 9
The next 3-layer SAK we tackle is the well-known Super Tinker. A most fitting name, with Victorinox adding scissors to the central layer of the classic Tinker design.
Effectively a Climber with a Phillips driver replacing the corkscrew, the Super Tinker is one of the more popular of the 3-layered SAKs in Vic’s 91mm range.
Arguably the more useful back tool, the Phillips cross tip is a decent size and will engage all but the smallest Phillips screw heads.
However, the problem is that the driver only extends 38mm (1.5in), and with the ‘T’-shaped deployment position, ergonomics are somewhat challenging. This back tool layout is fine to extract corks, but less than ideal for driving screws. This may partly explain why there are only six 91mm SAKs with it, compared to 22 with the corkscrew.
The Super Tinker is a little sleeker to carry compared to the Climber, as the Phillips tucks into the body of the SAK much better than the corkscrew. But then again, you cannot attach the mini screwdriver accessory as you can with the corkscrew.
There’s also something to be said about the ‘look’ of a SAK. In many ways, one with a corkscrew just looks nicer than the Phillips equivalent. Many may disagree or not consider this important, but there is a little more history and nostalgia with the corkscrew versions.
Pros:
- Phillips more useful than a corkscrew
- Excellent scissors
- Affordable pocket carry
Cons:
- Phillips can be awkward to use
- in-line Phillips Is better if you need this tool
Bottom line:
An extremely capable little SAK that sits right in the sweet spot of function, affordability and size. Does not have the same charm as the Climber, but probably the more sensible choice.
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Another great day! Great photo’s! :tu: :cheers:
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Another great exposition on a great SAK variation. :salute:
However, regarding the "Pros", I am of the school that the corkscrew (and mini screwdriver) is more valuable (to me) than the philips, especially because the can opener "philips" actually has worked out quite well as a philips scewdriver for me when needed. I guess I drink more wine and tighten more mini screws than I do philips screws. :pok:
Keep up the good work!
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Great Day 9 pics and review Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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:iagree: :hatsoff:
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Thanks Rapidray, Greg, VICMAN, jph_777. :hatsoff:
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Thanks Rapidray, Greg, VICMAN, jph_777. :hatsoff:
Not a problem :cheers:
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Interesting pictures with the disassembled SAK layers.
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Thanks smiller43147. Debating next build... :hatsoff:
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Super Tinker was my partners main carry for a while. Really great SAK.
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Very good read here Max and thanks for entertaining us. I'm a corkscrew fan because that allows you the small nested screwdriver and for that reason I only have one Tinker in my collection. Climber it is for me. Keep up the good work with the Challenge ! :cheers:
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I don't remember if I have written anything here but to be on the safe side.. Hi!
This is just awlsome reading and should be compressed to a guide later on
[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
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Thanks kottskrapa, will be fun to wrap in all up at the end! And thanks Aloha, Fast Bill :hatsoff:
Day 10
The last of the 3-layers in the current 91mm range is the Hiker, and really can be viewed as a Camper with a Phillips back tool instead of the corkscrew.
The Hiker brings a good alternative for those wanting a SAK with a wood saw for pocket carry when off the beaten track, but don’t see the need for a corkscrew.
Personally, I think there’s more chance of needing a corkscrew when you’re away from home and the kitchen draw, so it’s maybe a less convincing argument to marry the Phillips with the wood saw.
In days past, Victorinox had many more 91mm SAKs with the back Phillips, but they only added the wood saw to the 5- and 6-layer versions. The Hiker and it’s 4-layer saw/scissors Fieldmaster brother, are the only saw-equipped models in the current 91mm range with the back Phillips. All the 5- and 6-layer models are discontinued, so these two are your only options if you want this combination.
Pros:
- Great wood saw
- Small and lightweight
- Very affordable
Cons:
- You may miss the corkscrew, but maybe not
Bottom Line:
Like its Camper cousin, the Hiker is a great little SAK with an excellent wood saw. However, if you like the back Phillips and want a wood saw, you may want to also consider the Fieldmaster.
(Apologies for reusing a pic used earlier today, the Hiker with a Yeoman mod).
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Thanks kottskrapa, will be fun to wrap in all up at the end! And thanks Aloha, Fast Bill :hatsoff:
Day 10
The last of the 3-layers in the current 91mm range is the Hiker, and really can be viewed as a Camper with a Phillips back tool instead of the corkscrew.
The Hiker brings a good alternative for those wanting a SAK with a wood saw for pocket carry when off the beaten track, but don’t see the need for a corkscrew.
Nice finish to the 3 layer models Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
Nice pics! :cheers:
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Thanks kottskrapa, will be fun to wrap in all up at the end! And thanks Aloha, Fast Bill :hatsoff:
Day 10
The last of the 3-layers in the current 91mm range is the Hiker, and really can be viewed as a Camper with a Phillips back tool instead of the corkscrew.
The Hiker brings a good alternative for those wanting a SAK with a wood saw for pocket carry when off the beaten track, but don’t see the need for a corkscrew.
Personally, I think there’s more chance of needing a corkscrew when you’re away from home and the kitchen draw, so it’s maybe a less convincing argument to marry the Phillips with the wood saw.
In days past, Victorinox had many more 91mm SAKs with the back Phillips, but they only added the wood saw to the 5- and 6-layer versions. The Hiker and it’s 4-layer saw/scissors Fieldmaster brother, are the only saw-equipped models in the current 91mm range with the back Phillips. All the 5- and 6-layer models are discontinued, so these two are your only options if you want this combination.
Pros:
- Great wood saw
- Small and lightweight
- Very affordable
Cons:
- You may miss the corkscrew, but maybe not
Bottom Line:
Like its Camper cousin, the Hiker is a great little SAK with an excellent wood saw. However, if you like the back Phillips and want a wood saw, you may want to also consider the Fieldmaster.
(Apologies for reusing a pic used earlier today, the Hiker with a Yeoman mod).
Nice duo for sure! :like:
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Thank you VICMAN, Rapidray :hatsoff:
4-layers start tomorrow... :popcorn:
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Looking forward to the 4-layer SAKs Max!
As I mentioned my first SAK was a 3-layer Camper, but after becoming a member here I became very interested in the 4+ layer SAKs.
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Yes, much like sensor watches (like Casio G-Shock, Protrek, etc), most are never used where the information they supply can be of real value (like your hiking example), and I suspect that 4 out of 5 Travelers fall into this category too. In the watch collecting forums, they refer to ‘desk divers’ when a watch designed for diving (100m+) is used more in a terrestrial environment (the owner may not even swim). The Traveler’s sensors are certainly very capable and it would be a good pocket choice for hiking. However, I still maintain it’s a SAK of interest mostly for its fun-factor.
Interesting thoughts Max ...
I love the (derrogatory!!) term desk-diver - I had not heard that before - Very funny.
Yep - I am sure you are right only 20% of people who get a Traveller will actually use the altimeter/barometer functions - And I guess the timer functions are usually available elsewhere (watch phone etc)
- And for sure the fun/gimmick factor is really good and cool
But just thinking - Does that category of tool/function not apply to many many tools on a SAK or multitool?
- ie You have this amazingly capable tool (especially as you go up the SAK layers) - But you may never, or rarely, use some of the individual implements
They are just there in case you need them - fishscaler, hook - even the wood saw, metal file etc etc spring to mind!
I guess the difference with the altimeter - Is - Unless you are hiking or climbing mountains - You would never really need the altimeter - The other tools you may have occasional occasion to use in every day life!
Anyway great reviews once again - Keep up the good work - Looking f to the XAVT !!!
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Good points Huntsman...I think the main benefit of carrying a SAK is the convenience of having a range of tools available for unplanned use. Rather have a tool and never use it, than not have it when you need it! :tu:
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Day 11
Vic’s current 91mm range runs from 2 layers all the way to 15 layers, but the most popular are those that fall into the 4-layer category...all 8 of them.
With 3-layers, we had choice of scissors, wood saw, inline Phillips, LED or bit driver. Moving to 4-layers introduces the option to combine some of these tools, while introducing some new tools that you can’t get in the 2- and 3-layer SAKs.
So over the next week or so we’ll cover SAKs with tools we have not touched on before, such as the file/metal saw, ruler/fish scalers, pliers and magnifier.
And it’s the magnifier that gets our attention today, as this is a tool found on the 4-layer Explorer.
The Explorer is often touted as the best SAK for urban EDC, and for good reason. It packs the essential Spartan toolset (openers, blades, corkscrew), and then adds 2 further layers that include Vic’s excellent scissors and inline Phillips, paired with the magnifier.
We first came across the inline Phillips with the Spartan Lite, where it’s paired with the LED. Unfortunately the good people at Victorinox seem to like the LED, as it is the preferred pairing for the inline Phillips. If you want a non-electronics SAK with the inline Phillips other than the bigger Swiss Champ, you have exactly one choice...the Explorer.
Thankfully, the Explorer is a great SAK choice to do away with the LED, but if you have a fondness for batteries and electronic circuits, the 4-layer Traveller Lite gives you the LED/inline Phillips combination with scissors, plus you get the same digital scale we covered in the Traveler review a few days ago.
So back to the Explorer, and specifically the magnifier. Not to go into a deep history lesson on this little tool, but there are essentially 3 versions; the original with a smaller, grey surround for the glass lens, a later, larger version with clear surround and a...er...plastic lens, and the current version that returns to a glass lens within the clear plastic surround.
To be clear :D there’s nothing wrong with the plastic lens. It’s optics are just fine, and it won’t pop out like some of the latest glass version have a tendency to do. But it will scratch more easily over years of service, and customer feedback may have seen Victorinox switch back to glass.
There are whole discussion threads on the magnifier, so I best stop with just a final couple of points. The first is that while the original grey version has a higher magnification, the longer depth of field and wider viewing angle of the newer design is easier to use. However...the newer, bigger design necessitates a slightly shorter inline Phillips. Does this detract from the overall improvements? I don’t think so, but the old design sure has a strong following!
As the first 4-layer SAK up for review, it’s worth touching on the reason many feel 4 layers is the maximum for pocket EDC. The reason is quite simple; a 4-layer SAK typically has close to a 1:1 width to depth ratio, so there’s no orientation issues when dropping it into a pocket. With 5 or more layers, the width of the SAK becomes more noticeable in the pocket, as does the weight. In fact, some people feel that 4 layers is already too much. I guess it all depends how tight your jeans are!
So the Explorer sets a tough benchmark for the rest of its 4-layer brethren. It may also explain why the discontinued Yeoman (Explorer with opener layer replaced by combo tool), remains so popular.
Pros:
- Excellent scissors and inline Phillips
- Still considered pocketable for EDC
- Magnifier not as pointless as it may seem
Cons:
- Glass lens in clear frame can pop out
Bottom line:
The Explorer is a good EDC choice for the urban environment, and the inline Phillips will be the differentiator for many people. For a bit of fun, look for the older one with the longer Phillips and grey magnifier.
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Great write up and excellent photo’s! I prefer the gray’s myself. I do have a couple of the clear’s. :cheers:
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Great review of the Explorer and nice pics Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Good reading, Max! Thank you for taking the time to do all these writeups!
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Thanks comis, Rapidray, VICMAN :hatsoff:
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When I got my first Explorer it was a game changer for me. I finally got a second and then a Yeoman. The Yeoman is good but for me the Explorer is the benchmark.
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My first SAK was an Explorer, still got it :like:
I'm enjoying your quick review challenge :tu: :hatsoff:
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Day 11
I guess it all depends how tight your jeans are!
Great write up and I had to chuckle at your disclaimer! :cheers: Seems like a great ad campaign for Victorinox.
I like the looks of the grey magnifier, but when I had a custom made, I opted for the larger viewing area of the clear plastic.
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Good summary on the Explorer, Max.
I have been using Explorers since the mid '80s, and have owned more of them over the years than any other model. One was always a staple in my camera bag. Having said that, I now enjoy using a Yeoman (mod) more, as it offers roughly the same capabilities in a smaller package. But, I will always keep and value my Explorers... and they are readily available!
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Another great write up :tu:
And thanks for taking the time :cheers:
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Thanks Greg, jph_777, FB, RF52, Aloha :hatsoff:
Explorer is indeed a great SAK!
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Another great write-up, Max.
When I got my first Explorer it was a game changer for me. I finally got a second and then a Yeoman. The Yeoman is good but for me the Explorer is the benchmark.
I’m the opposite, after discovering the Yeoman, I loved it and couldn’t believe more knives didn’t incorporate combo tool and magnifying glass/inline Phillips.
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:salute:
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Grand total of two...Yeoman and Scientist. :salute:
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Day 12
The 4-layer Mountaineer has a bit of a confusing name, as it’s not much related to mountains, hiking or camping. Maybe adding a file/metal saw to the 3-layer Climber was the inspiration?
Of course, the Climber is an excellent base to build on, and indeed, most of the 4-layered SAKs have scissors plus another tool to make up their tool set.
In the case of the Mountaineer, the metal saw is not immediately obvious. The design of the tool lends itself more to that of a nail file, complete with nail cleaning tip and an overall shape that closely matches the common nail file you’ll find in most manicure sets.
But a close inspection of the bottom edge reveals a finely pitched, single row of teeth, raked forwards to give an aggressive cut on metal or other hard materials.
The file is a very old tool for Victorinox, and there have been many versions over the years. The current stainless steel version has a cross-cut design that is only visible from certain angles. It normally looks like just one direction of filing, but there’s a light second angled cut that overlays the first, deeper ones.
There’s no back tool paired with the file on the Mountaineer, but you get the corkscrew, awl and hook.
If you like the file/metal saw, the Mountaineer is the only SAK in the 4-layer lineup (and none lower) that has it. But it does become a regular tool from 5 layers and up. Certainly a good option if you want this tool in a SAK that’s still considered pocket-friendly.
Pros:
- Smallest (current) 91mm with file/metal saw tool
- Still has the excellent scissors
- One of the thinnest 4-layers SAKs
Cons:
- Only good for occasional metal cutting
Bottom line:
The file/metal saw is one of the least appreciated SAK tools, but is more multi-functional than the wood saw. The Mountaineer is the only 4-layer to house this tool, and should get more recognition because of it.
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Nice :tu:
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I'm sure learning a lot from your 91mm journey, thank you Max! :tu: :cheers:
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:iagree: so am I. Looking forward to your next post :cheers:
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Another great review Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thanks VICMAN, Rapidray, FB, RF52. Really appreciate all the positive feedback! :hatsoff:
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Max - been reading through this thread over the past couples days and love all the write ups you're posting. Nice work; please keep going.
Bottom line:
While there’s really no need to have a digital timepiece with atmospheric sensors on your SAK, it’s a fun addition that adds to the already excellent “fiddle” quality of any SAK. Makes a great gift or as an emergency egg timer.
95% of the time I carry a Compact. The times I don't are when I need something more suited to a specific activity - I carry a Pioneer Harvester when doing yard work (gets dirty; easy to clean) and I carry an Expedition Lite when hiking. The latter has the same scales/electronics as your Traveller. As an everyday knife I agree with you - I wouldn't use the electronics at all, esp since I usually wear some sort of chronograph. However, when hiking - they're indispensable. I spent a week with my son hiking out in Colorado and used the thermometer, timer, altimeter and barometer constantly. I clip the knife to my pack with a carabiner (keeps it out of my pocket where body temp messes up the thermometer) and go.
My Expedition Lite at Crystal Creek Reservoir with Pike's Peak in the (out of focus) background.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mg8ngeU.jpg)
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Cool pic jazzbass, and thanks for the feedback. :hatsoff:
Also the tip about clipping on the outside of a day pack to get the ambient temp...
I’ve just named one of my modded SAKs after a town in Colorado called Telluride, but that’s a good drive from where you were.
The 6-layer Expedition Lite gets reviewed in about 12 days time! :popcorn:
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Max - been reading through this thread over the past couples days and love all the write ups you're posting. Nice work; please keep going.
95% of the time I carry a Compact. The times I don't are when I need something more suited to a specific activity - I carry a Pioneer Harvester when doing yard work (gets dirty; easy to clean) and I carry an Expedition Lite when hiking. The latter has the same scales/electronics as your Traveller. As an everyday knife I agree with you - I wouldn't use the electronics at all, esp since I usually wear some sort of chronograph. However, when hiking - they're indispensable. I spent a week with my son hiking out in Colorado and used the thermometer, timer, altimeter and barometer constantly. I clip the knife to my pack with a carabiner (keeps it out of my pocket where body temp messes up the thermometer) and go.
My Expedition Lite at Crystal Creek Reservoir with Pike's Peak in the (out of focus) background.
(https://i.imgur.com/Mg8ngeU.jpg)
Very nice! :like: :cheers:
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Day 13
Today we cover one of my favourite SAKs; the ever-popular Huntsman. In many respects, the Huntsman is the ambassador for the entire 91mm range, proudly demonstrating the key attributes that make this range so successful.
While considered chunky at 4-layers, the Huntsman is still pocketable, packing the scissors/hook and wood saw together with the Spartan base configuration of an opener layer, large and small blade, corkscrew and awl. This toolset makes the Huntsman an excellent all-rounder, driving its popularity.
Not much more needs saying about the scissors and wood saw. Both are good tools I’ve reviewed with earlier SAKs.
The Huntsman’s popularity is also reflected in the available scale variations beyond the standard red, including no less that three different camouflage schemes, Silvertech and Walnut wood. The Huntsman is also a popular choice for limited edition releases from Victorinox.
Pros:
- excellent all-rounder SAK
- Still pocketable
- Great range of scale options
Cons:
- Wood saw has limited applications (had to list something!)
Bottom line:
The star of the 4-layered range, the Huntsman could be the one SAK that best represents all that is great about the 91mm range.
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I was looking forward to this review, nicely done Max! :cheers:
Back when I was 23 years old buying my first SAK, a Camper, I didn't know how valuable scissors really are in a knife. Had I known I might have purchased the Huntsman.
I probably saw the Huntsman and thought, when am I ever going to need/use scissors? :ahhh
Well, I found out some thread just can't be broken as easily as other thread. I have unraveled hems trying to break thread with my hands.
Scissors are now a must have in any SAK I carry.
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Great review of the Huntsman Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
I agree that it is a great all-rounder SAK! :cheers:
Great pics! :D
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Nice review on the Huntsman. It was my all time favorite because of the saw and the scissors. Now that I am older and my eyes need a little help I find the Woodsman my choice of carry in 91mm. :cheers:
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Thanks FB, VICMAN, Rapidray :hatsoff:
Of course we could do two 30-day challenges back-to-back just on the 91mm discontinued SAKs. Woodsman certainly a great 5-layer...used to be one of the most active categories. Now only three!
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Thanks FB, VICMAN, Rapidray :hatsoff:
Of course we could do two 30-day challenges back-to-back just on the 91mm discontinued SAKs. Woodsman certainly a great 5-layer...used to be one of the most active categories. Now only three!
Wow, now that would be something with just discontinued models! :cheers:
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Great review Max, over the past year I've become a real fan of the four layers :tu:
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I clip the knife to my pack with a carabiner (keeps it out of my pocket where body temp messes up the thermometer) and go.
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Would not be doing that hiking in the UK - I think the pocket temperature is the lesser evil for the SAK compared to the pouring rain !! >:(
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Day 12
The 4-layer Mountaineer has a bit of a confusing name, as it’s not much related to mountains, hiking or camping. Maybe adding a file/metal saw to the 3-layer Climber was the inspiration?
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Bottom line:
The file/metal saw is one of the least appreciated SAK tools, but is more multi-functional than the wood saw. The Mountaineer is the only 4-layer to house this tool, and should get more recognition because of it.
I too always think the Mountaineer is the unsung hero of the 91mm lineup, for that metal saw can do what a wood saw can do and then more, but not vice versa. Having that metal saw/file is life saving, I remembered getting stuck with a suitcase without key to a small pad lock, and I wouldn't be able to continue the travel without the metal saw that day.
Against the Huntsman, I personally would think Mountaineer is a more all-around EDC choice.
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Nice review. I also have wondered why the Mountaineer is called Mountaineer, although, I will admit the metal saw/file is one of the tools that I do not have a lot of experience with.
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Great review Max, over the past year I've become a real fan of the four layers :tu:
Thanks Greg :hatsoff:
Yes, the 91mm range peaks at four layers, dropping off dramatically thereafter (with one notable exception). :whistle:
Regarding the Mountaineer, I think it would be more popular if the file featured in more SAKs. It is one of the least common tools in the 2/3/4-layer range (just the one representative), yet is quite a useful tool. :dunno:
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Yes, the 91mm range peaks at four layers, dropping off dramatically thereafter (with one notable exception). :whistle:
Gotta be the S____C___p :pok: or is it the C____T___M :think:
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Thanks Greg :hatsoff:
Yes, the 91mm range peaks at four layers, dropping off dramatically thereafter (with one notable exception). :whistle:
Regarding the Mountaineer, I think it would be more popular if the file featured in more SAKs. It is one of the least common tools in the 2/3/4-layer range (just the one representative), yet is quite a useful tool. :dunno:
I guess it might be misrepresentation to a certain degree? Most people know this as "metal file", but in reality, it is a metal saw/file. :dunno: I only wish they could make one side of the metal file into a fine grind file, so it doubles as a knife sharpener/nail file.
As said, I'd always choose that metal saw over the wood saw, it's essentially a 3-in-1 deal vs the single-use wood saw. :D
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I guess it might be misrepresentation to a certain degree? Most people know this as "metal file", but in reality, it is a metal saw/file. :dunno: I only wish they could make one side of the metal file into a fine grind file, so it doubles as a knife sharpener/nail file.
As said, I'd always choose that metal saw over the wood saw, it's essentially a 3-in-1 deal vs the single-use wood saw. :D
I have never tried using the metal saw for cutting wood. Maybe I need to test it out.
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I have never tried using the metal saw for cutting wood. Maybe I need to test it out.
I just did. Depressing. It´s slow and it clogs.
I used a new metal saw, it´s pretty much the only tool on my Handyman or SwissChamp that doesn´t get any use.
Sawing into a 1 inch dried branch it took me 10 cuts to get as deep as 2 cuts with the woodsaw.
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Just as well the Handyman and SwissChamp both have wood saw’s then Ron... :pok:
...but good to know...
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I just did. Depressing. It´s slow and it clogs.
I used a new metal saw, it´s pretty much the only tool on my Handyman or SwissChamp that doesn´t get any use.
Sawing into a 1 inch dried branch it took me 10 cuts to get as deep as 2 cuts with the woodsaw.
That is what I suspected, because of the uniform shallower teeth and being wider.
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That is what I suspected, because of the uniform shallower teeth and being wider.
Maybe good for Iron Wood? (I think there’s Lead Wood also...) :mail:
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Day 14
Fishing is a very specific activity, and Victorinox has a very specific tool to support users that catch fish. Well, that’s the intention...however the tool Victorinox assigns to this task is probably rarely used as intended.
That’s because we’re discussing the fish scaler tool found on the Angler, the next 4-layer SAK up for review.
The Angler also features another tool we have not come across before in this challenge; the pliers. But first, let’s get back to that fish scaler.
The fish scaler tool has a curved edge of scalloped teeth that are polished smooth. The idea is to drag this edge across a (dead) fish to remove the scales without tearing or cutting the skin.
I have caught and cleaned a few fish in my time, and can only imagine the slime and scale mess that would accumulate on (and in) my SAK if I used it to remove scales, but as I have never tried it, I really cannot talk with any authority on this matter. All I can say is that I prefer to use a single-purpose fish scaler, or the filleting knife, to scrape the scales off a fish before gutting.
As the infomercials say, “...but wait, there’s more!...” the SAK fish scaler is equipped with a disgorging tip that can help reverse out the hook that’s securely embedded inside the mouth of a fish. Again, I cannot attest to this use in the real world, as I prefer needle nose pliers for this specific task. But I guess if I’m on a deserted island with just my scaler-equipped SAK and the fishing kit from my SOS Kit, I’d be happily to have this tool?
Fortunately, for users less concerned with shipwreck survival, the fish scaler tool has other uses. The tip makes a good improvised cocktail-fork for retrieving pickles from a jar or picking cheese off a platter. Also as a ‘prodder’ for investigating questionable or unidentifiable objects (maybe at the bottom of that pickle jar).
The scaler also has a straight-edged ruler on the top edge, marked in inches and cm on opposite sides. Unfortunately the geometry of the SAK does not let you use it flat on a surface to draw lines, but having a short measuring tool could sometimes be useful...except maybe on a deserted island.
Oh, and another use is as a rangefinder. But I’m still to check the distance of a person against their relative height, measured at arms-length on the ruler. Something for a later post.
The second new tool found on the Angler are the pliers. It’s important not to expect too much from this tool, especially if you’re used to other brands’ multitools that are built around pliers. The 91mm Victorinox pliers are understandably small to still fold into the SAK, taking up a space only a little wider than any other tool layer.
You’re not going to bend plate steel or pull six inch nails with this tool, but it’s ideal for delicate work that requires a small gripping or squeezing tool. I used it to help open and close a link in a suspension chain for my SAK, working together with the needle nose pliers of my Leatherman. It was a good example of using two multitools together and where full-sized pliers would have offered no advantage.
I’ve heard the pliers referred to as ‘super-tweezers’, and I like this description. The tips close perfectly and are effective at grabbing small items like the exposed tip of a splinter. It’s just a case of accepting that you will still need another multitool if you expect to need anything closer to real pliers.
Beyond the fish scaler and pliers, the Angler still has the core toolset of blades and openers, with an awl and corkscrew on the back.
Pros:
- Unique fish scaler tool
- The smallest current 91mm SAKs to have pliers
Cons:
- Unique fish scaler tool
- Pliers more like super-tweezers
Bottom line:
With the neat fish logo on the top scale (scale?) there’s no doubt regarding the intended user for this SAK, even if the scaler tool is questionable. However, its 4-layered cousin, the Fisherman, with its Phillips back tool and scissors instead of pliers, may well be the better choice...if you like the fishy tool.
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Excellent write up and I have never used my scaler for it’s intended purpose. I have used it many a time for drawing straight lines with the pencil. Still learning to use it as a range finder! :tu: :cheers:
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Just found this thread and am really enjoying it. Thanks!
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Another nice write-up.
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I just did. Depressing. It´s slow and it clogs.
I used a new metal saw, it´s pretty much the only tool on my Handyman or SwissChamp that doesn´t get any use.
Sawing into a 1 inch dried branch it took me 10 cuts to get as deep as 2 cuts with the woodsaw.
I remembered doing this test many, many years ago, but don't remember being that depressing. I think I gonna do a more through test on that to see how much it does lack behind.
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Another nice write-up.
:iagree:
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Thanks Rapidray, Sheradin, 🆘, comis. :hatsoff:
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I never understood why Vx made both the Angler, with pliers, and the Fisherman, with scissors, but no fishing knife with both.
I don´t need the fish scaler tool. I always have my Handyman handy when fishing and I even put the Fisherman´s scales on it.
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The fish scale sure is nice! :like:
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Day 15
We covered the LED ‘tool’ in the 3-layered Spartan Lite (day 7) and it makes another appearance in today’s reviewed SAK; the Traveler Lite.
We reviewed the Traveler back on day 8, but for a quick recap, the Traveler is basically a Climber with a digital scale that displays environmental info such as altitude and temperature, together with digital watch functionality.
The Traveler Lite adds a fourth layer incorporating an LED flashlight and inline Phillips, the latter probably the more useful of these additional tools.
This extra layer and the thicker digital scale make the Traveler Lite the widest of all the current 4-layer 91mm SAKs, even wider than some 5-layer models. But there’s no doubt that the LED and inline Phillips adds some real value to an already capable product.
Pros:
- The most feature-rich 4-layer SAK
- LED brighter than earlier generations
- Plus scales and nail file on the hook
Cons:
- A fat 4-layer SAK, not so pocket-friendly
- Does not like water
- Expensive
Bottom line:
A wide range of tools makes the Traveler Lite the dark horse of the 91mm range. If you enjoy digital functionality on a SAK, you should consider the Traveler Lite. But you may want to pass if you’re looking for something that needs a little less maintenance.
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Nice information and photos! :cheers:
Didn’t think it would be thicker than some 5 layer! :tu:
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Yup, the same as a Huntsman Lite and quite a bit thicker than the Ranger.
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Didn’t think it would be thicker than some 5 layer! :tu:
Fat scales and fat lite layer = Double fat !!! :salute:
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Wow... :cheers:
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Day 16
Scissors are very popular across the 91mm range, and the Climber (corkscrew) and Super Tinker (back Phillips) are both excellent 3-layered SAKs with this tool.
But if you want pliers with scissors, you only have one choice in 4-layers; the Deluxe Tinker.
And while the Victorinox scissors are good at general-purpose cutting (within the size limitations), the pliers are very much a compromise based on size and strength, and should not be considered an alternative for full size pliers.
As mentioned in the Angler review, where we first came across the pliers, it’s best to consider the pliers more as ‘super tweezers’. Still useful, but you may want to pair with another multitool that has folding pliers if you expect to need this tool.
Pros:
- Good combination of scissors, pliers and back Phillips driver
- Pliers good for detailed, delicate work
- Still small enough for EDC
Cons:
- Pliers limited in strength and size
Bottom line:
The Deluxe Tinker is a great SAK if you can accept the compromise of the dinky pliers. But you may be better off with the Super Tinker and a Leatherman if you use pliers regularly.
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Day 16
Scissors are very popular across the 91mm range, and the Climber (corkscrew) and Super Tinker (back Phillips) are both excellent 3-layered SAKs with this tool.
But if you want pliers with scissors, you only have one choice in 4-layers; the Deluxe Tinker.
And while the Victorinox scissors are good at general-purpose cutting (within the size limitations), the pliers are very much a compromise based on size and strength, and should not be considered an alternative for full size pliers.
As mentioned in the Angler review, where we first came across the pliers, it’s best to consider the pliers more as ‘super tweezers’. Still useful, but you may want to pair with another multitool that has folding pliers if you expect to need this tool.
Pros:
- Good combination of scissors, pliers and back Phillips driver
- Pliers good for detailed, delicate work
- Still small enough for EDC
Cons:
- Pliers limited in strength and size
Bottom line:
The Deluxe Tinker is a great SAK if you can accept the compromise of the dinky pliers. But you may be better off with the Super Tinker and a Leatherman if you use pliers regularly.
Very nice! :like:
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Thanks Rapidray :hatsoff:
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Nice review Max! :cheers:
One of the best uses of the pliers for me is taking out stubborn staples that get stuck at the tip of the stapler.
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Thanks FB :hatsoff: yes that’s a good use case!
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Great thread! :cheers:
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This thread is outstanding, great job!
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Another good writeup!
If this pilers is meant to be used on nuts/bolts, I kinda wonder will we be better off to carry a separate pocket wrench, which is similar thickness to a layer and not expensive. :think:
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Thank you Scubadawg1, TXSAK :hatsoff:
Hi comis, that’s a little what Wenger did with their little wrench tool, but this is also limited in the size department, so a separate small adjustable wrench is not a bad idea if you have an EDC bag to carry it in. :like:
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Just catching up on this thread Max and well done for keeping up with the insights. I am a Mountaineer fan, probably more Urban that rural EDC and I do like the Traveller Lite too (even with that underwhelming torch) ... just because ... :cheers:
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Thanks Fast Bill. :hatsoff: Yes the Mountaineer is a bit of a sleeper of the range. It’s a good SAK.
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Thank you Scubadawg1, TXSAK :hatsoff:
Hi comis, that’s a little what Wenger did with their little wrench tool, but this is also limited in the size department, so a separate small adjustable wrench is not a bad idea if you have an EDC bag to carry it in. :like:
Good call on the Wenger wrench! :tu: Oh, the pocket wrench I refer is actually the following OPT, I think it does compliment most MT quite well and a perfect pry tool as well:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,45219.msg931607.html#msg931607 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,45219.msg931607.html#msg931607)
(https://i.imgur.com/nTpa21B.jpg)
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Just catching up on this thread Max and well done for keeping up with the insights. I am a Mountaineer fan, probably more Urban that rural EDC and I do like the Traveller Lite too (even with that underwhelming torch) ... just because ... :cheers:
Another fellow Mountaineer Fan here! :waving: :D
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Another fellow Mountaineer Fan here! :waving: :D
+10
I always get surprised about the little general interest people have on the Mountaineer, and on the "metal file and saw" too, for that matter... :think:
The Mountaineer always was a favorite of mine on the 4 layer department. The only place i feel the Camper/Hiker or Huntsman (wood saw) is useful, is in a purely rural environment, all other situations i feel a saw might be handy, the metal saw/file always takes priority for me, besides also having 4 functions (or more, depending on one's creativity), instead of just one. It's way more useful to saw a wider type of materials than the wood saw, even if slower at that.
But than again, no sak tool is made to be nearly as effective as the actual dedicated tool it's trying to replicate, so the idea is not to be "faster" but to actually "getting the job done" when nothing else is available, and it does that very well, faster or slower :D
I'd love to get my hands on a Trail Guide (or 3... :D), i'd take it for urban 3 layer EDC, over any Climber.
On a side note,
Max, thank you for creating this great thread man :cheers:
A joy to read on a daily basis, especially for a cellidor (84/91mm line) die hard fan like me... :like:
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Hi comis, that’s a little what Wenger did with their little wrench tool, but this is also limited in the size department, so a separate small adjustable wrench is not a bad idea if you have an EDC bag to carry it in. :like:
:iagree: I have yet to use the wrench on mine as i never come across any nuts small enough for it to fit, there was once though i thought i was in luck, the small bolt on the bottom of the fridge door was loose and i figured i would tighten it with the Wenger, but no..even that was too big for it
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You're doing a great job with your reviews Max! :tu: :tu:
This is a very informative thread and will provide a great resource for others to find out about models they have not seen, and probably help inspire quite a few people to add a few more SAKs to their collection. :cheers:
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Thank you VICMAN for the kind words, I too am enjoying the journey and learning more about each SAK :hatsoff:
Thanks also MacGyver, Borg, and comis, that’s a clever pocket wrench...I’ll need to look out for one like that. :tu:
Day 17
Choice is generally good, and Victorinox certainly give us lots of choice across the 91mm range.
And today, as an alternative to the Angler, we cover the Fisherman. Featuring the same fish scaler tool as the Angler, the Fisherman swaps the corkscrew for a Phillips back tool, and the pliers for scissors.
Now I’m a little of a traditionalist, so while I recognize the value of the back Phillips, my preference is the corkscrew.
But the scissors are certainly the more usable tool when compared to the pliers, so you have to wonder whether it would be better for Victorinox to rather put the scissors on the Angler, as set the Fisherman off on a retirement cruise...
Sometimes choices are not necessarily better.
Pros:
- Scissors more useful than pliers
- fish scaler can be used as an improvised cocktail fork
Cons:
- fish scaler tool not particularly practical
Bottom line:
The fish scaler is not exactly a high-demand tool, otherwise we’d see more of it paired with scissors. The next time we come across it is with the Swiss Champ, and there you get it with scissors, pliers and the corkscrew. But for something with less layers, the Fisherman is the best alternative.
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Nice review and great photos! :cheers:
I don’t know exactly why but I have 3 of them. And I do use the fish scaler just not for it’s intended purpose!
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But the scissors are certainly the more usable tool when compared to the pliers, so you have to wonder whether it would be better for Victorinox to rather put the scissors on the Angler, as set the Fisherman off on a retirement cruise...
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Thanks again Max
Hmmm - I always thought both was a good option - So why not bring back the Deluxe Angler? .... Or a Deluxe Fisherman?
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Added this thread to the SAK Identifiers stickie:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75774.msg1630522.html#msg1630522
- Thanks Max (..... again!)
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Thanks Rapidray :hatsoff: and Huntsman :tu: :hatsoff: for the stickie.
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I always get surprised about the little general interest people have on the Mountaineer, and on the "metal file and saw" too, for that matter... :think:
The Mountaineer always was a favorite of mine on the 4 layer department. The only place i feel the Camper/Hiker or Huntsman (wood saw) is useful, is in a purely rural environment, all other situations i feel a saw might be handy, the metal saw/file always takes priority for me, besides also having 4 functions (or more, depending on one's creativity), instead of just one. It's way more useful to saw a wider type of materials than the wood saw, even if slower at that.
But than again, no sak tool is made to be nearly as effective as the actual dedicated tool it's trying to replicate, so the idea is not to be "faster" but to actually "getting the job done" when nothing else is available, and it does that very well, faster or slower :D
I'd love to get my hands on a Trail Guide (or 3... :D ), i'd take it for urban 3 layer EDC, over any Climber.
On a side note,
Max, thank you for creating this great thread man :cheers:
A joy to read on a daily basis, especially for a cellidor (84/91mm line) die hard fan like me... :like:
Yes, another Mountaineer user! Yes! :like:
Max, I gonna thank you again for this thread too. This is like a mini-union for all the Mountaineer Lovers out here. :D
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I think we’ll have to start a Mountaineering Club :pok: :think:
Day 18
There are only six 91mm SAKs in the current range that have a Phillips back tool. We’ve covered five of them so far (Tinker, Super Tinker, Deluxe Tinker, Hiker and Fisherman), so today’s mini-review is on the last one, the Fieldmaster.
The Fieldmaster can be considered the near-identical twin of the Huntsman, as it has the same tool load (scissors and wood saw), just with the Phillips on the back instead of the corkscrew.
However, the Huntsman gets the lion’s share of attention as it’s by far the more popular of the two. The Fieldmaster getting largely ignored.
Like the Huntsman, the Fieldmaster is quite a compact 4-layer SAK, and while you’ll feel it in your pocket, it is usable for EDC on your person.
As a cross-over between urban and outdoor use, the Fieldmaster is certainly worth considering. Especially if you like using the wood saw and see value in having the Phillips over the corkscrew.
Pros:
- Both the scissors and wood saw are good at what they’re designed for.
- Just about pocketable for EDC
Cons:
- Lacks the character of the Huntsman
Bottom line:
A little lost without a strong identity, the Fieldmaster is still a capable SAK with a good set of tools. It’s just questionable whether it gives any real-world advantage over the Huntsman, considering that you get the corkscrew and can still use the can-opener’s driver for cross-head screws.
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Another great review and photo’s - :iagree:
I have 3 Fieldmasters...they are all BSA’s Huntsman. Talk about a misunderstood step child...this one only gets loved by Scouts!
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A little lost without a strong identity, the Fieldmaster is still a capable SAK with a good set of tools.
What even is a ‘Fieldmaster’, anyway? I mean I know what a huntsman is, and a climber, and a Spartan...but who is the mysterious master of fields, and what does he do?
All we really know is that he prefers working on easily-accessible Phillips screws that don’t need much torque, to drinking wine. The man has his priorities wrong, in my opinion.
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:rofl:
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What even is a ‘Fieldmaster’, anyway? I mean I know what a huntsman is, and a climber, and a Spartan...but who is the mysterious master of fields, and what does he do?
All we really know is that he prefers working on easily-accessible Phillips screws that don’t need much torque, to drinking wine. The man has his priorities wrong, in my opinion.
:rofl: :rofl:
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Just catching up after missing a couple of entries
Great reviews Max :hatsoff:
I accidentally became a fan of the Fieldmaster, it's the only backside Phillips I have, but I've found if you have it you'll use it, at least me, I've been EDCing mine for close to a year now :cheers:
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Great thread/challenge! :tu: :like: :salute:
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:rofl: :rofl:
+1 :rofl:
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Yikes. I've missed several days. The 91mm has such variety yet why am I still searching for the perfect SAK :dunno:.
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Thanks Aloha, Greg, Rapidray, El C. :hatsoff:
Seems the Fieldmaster gets some love too! Now onto some heavy-lifting...
Day 19
Stepping up from four to five layers today was quite a shock. While yesterday’s 99g Fieldmaster could be pocket-carried, the 150g 5-layered CyberTool M (or CT-34) is a real pants-puller.
This is getting into the 4” Leatherman weight category, and it’s really noticeable at the bottom of your pocket. I had to switch to a belt suspension pocket carry to lift if halfway up the pocket, placing the weight on my belt. This is a common carry for me (even with smaller SAKs), as I find it comfortable and also a good way of not losing your SAK.
So back to the CT-34. This is a really chunky SAK with two layers that are wider than normal; the bit adapter and the pliers. Added to these are scissors and the standard set of blades and openers. Tucked away on the back are the corkscrew, hook and awl tools.
In fact, the CT-34 is just like a Deluxe Tinker, but with a corkscrew replacing the Phillips, and the added bit driver layer. Certainly a very capable tool load.
We covered the 3-layer CyberTool S (CT-29) about two weeks ago, but just as a recap, the bit driver accepts double-ended 4mm bits, 3 of these stored in a clever fold-out carrier that stows under the driver, and the 4th kept in the driver itself, giving a total of 8 combinations. The bit driver is also a decent length, giving good reach and usability of this versatile tool.
While the bit driver is strangely not the central layer, the overall SAK is not too wide to prevent easy turning of the driver when needed.
Pros:
- Very capable bit driver tool
- Includes scissors and pliers for a good tool load
- Plus scales with pen are standard
Cons:
- Large and quite heavy, not really pocketable
- One of the more expensive 91mm models
Bottom line:
Considered the base CyberTool model, the CT-34 is probably the most popular of the bit-driver SAKs. It really is a hefty piece of gear, and you may need to reevaluate your carry options. But I still wonder how necessary it is to carry a bit driver when there are already good fixed driver tools available on many other SAKs.
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Great write up and photos. The CyberTools are ones that I never got into. :tu:
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Great stuff once again Max - Thanks
It really is a hefty piece of gear, and you may need to reevaluate your carry options. But I still wonder how necessary it is to carry a bit driver when there are already good fixed driver tools available on many other SAKs.
Don't forget SAKs don't have to be carried.
I have one of these permanently stationed in my desk and it is used for those 'around the house jobs'.
Yesterday I used it to rewire a plug.
The large SD/CO to open up the plug - I needed a smooth pokey tool (not a screw/screwdriver) to get the rubber cover off (Aussie plugs!!)
The CT SD to undo the small connector screws
The scissors and blade to strip the wire - I did not use the wire stripper :twak:- The sheath was old so came off easily.
To my great surprise the wire cutting notch in the pliers was great at cutting the exposed wire - Never used it for that before!
The CT SD to do up the screws
Scissors to cut some electrical tape.
And the large SD to work the cover on again
........Brilliant.
It gets used for plenty of other tasks: Opening letters or presents, screwing those tiny screws on kids toys, etc etc
The CT SD bit options are great to have to hand
EDIT PS: And you know the smallest torx bit fits the screw on the Leatherman replaceable wire cutter - :tu:
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Thanks Rapidray and Huntsman :hatsoff:
...and good tip on the wire cutter head. :salute:
In addition to keeping SAKs tucked away in various draws in the house and car cubbies, I also use the larger SAKs in a day pack, so they are very versatile for keeping in places other than the pocket. It was just so noticeable switching up from 4 to 5 layers that it reinforced the 4-layer cut-off many use as a guide for pocket EDC. :tu:
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Thanks for yet another good writeup!
I think a lot of our IT/Computer members quite like the Cybertool line of SAK, since the bit drivers are perfect for the job. Weighing in around 150grams does make it a hefty piece of gear, but unless there is a specific need for the pliers from the LM camp skeletool or Juice line, I would much prefer this than Juice/Skeletool. Overall, I just like the quality of SAK tools better.
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Thanks comis :hatsoff:
Yes I think there could be a few computer geeks still around! :cheers:
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Nice write up and pics Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thank you VICMAN :hatsoff:
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Day 20
We now move to the second 5-layer SAK; the Ranger. And here we find, for the first time, the combination of scissors, wood saw and metal saw/file.
You can think of the Ranger as the combined DNA of the Mountaineer (scissors and file) and the Huntsman (scissors and wood saw).
And the file and wood saw are two of the slimmest layers, so the Ranger is no wider than some 4-layered SAKs, and pocket EDC was OK. Although I was using a suspension clip.
Bit what really makes the Ranger special is that every single layer has a back tool, and it’s the only 91mm SAK to have this density of tools. So in addition to the hook, corkscrew and awl that’s standard fare on many SAKs, you get the fine flat screwdriver paired with the wood saw, and the chisel paired with the file.
It’s no wonder that the Ranger is so popular. And it gets the really smart ‘camping’ logo on the top scale, the same design as the one used on the Camper, but a higher quality application that’s printed and then clear gloss top coated, as is the Victorinox logo.
I really enjoyed carrying the Ranger. It’s almost a Swiss Champ on diet, losing the pliers, inline Phillips/magnifier and scaler, but a lot more compact.
Pros:
- Great tool combination
- Full compliment of back tools
- Surprisingly compact for 5-layers
- Well-priced for what it offers
Cons:
- Difficult to fault. Plus scales would have been nice, but can always be added.
Bottom line:
This is the SAK to have if you’re looking for an all-rounder that won’t break the bank. Anything less and it’s a case of a specific tool requirement or lightweight EDC. Anything more and you’re looking at the much more expensive Swiss Champ.
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Good read Max
I only recently became aware of the Ranger, and the photos show an impressive tool set :tu: :hatsoff:
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Very nice! :like:
Great write up and photos :tu:
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Thanks Greg, Rapidray :hatsoff:
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Ranger is definitely my favorite 5 layers amongst them all. Didn't know it is the only tool that has back tools to each layer, good read!
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Thank you comis :hatsoff:
Even though they could...most of the wood saw and file equipped SAKs skip these back tools. :think:
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Thank you comis :hatsoff:
Even though they could...most of the wood saw and file equipped SAKs skip these back tools. :think:
I wonder that too, but I guess it might be a cost thing(to assemble it, man hour, tooling, material etc)?
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Day 20
We now move to the second 5-layer SAK; the Ranger. And here we find, for the first time, the combination of scissors, wood saw and metal saw/file.
Bit what really makes the Ranger special is that every single layer has a back tool, and it’s the only 91mm SAK to have this density of tools.
Bottom line:
This is the SAK to have if you’re looking for an all-rounder that won’t break the bank. Anything less and it’s a case of a specific tool requirement or lightweight EDC. Anything more and you’re looking at the much more expensive Swiss Champ.
Nice write-up and pics of the Ranger Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
I have EDC'd a SwissChamp since they first came out, but the Ranger would be my second choice. I have always liked it's tool density. :cheers:
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Great thread, Max - really enjoying it! I quite agree that it is odd that the CT34 doesn’t put the bit driver in the middle, which is why I moved mine (though this started life as a CTlite, I robbed the lite/mag layer for another knife mod) and I think it makes it easier to use!
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Great thread, Max - really enjoying it! I quite agree that it is odd that the CT34 doesn’t put the bit driver in the middle, which is why I moved mine (though this started life as a CTlite, I robbed the lite/mag layer for another knife mod) and I think it makes it easier to use!
Nice :like:
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But I still wonder how necessary it is to carry a bit driver when there are already good fixed driver tools available on many other SAKs.
Been enjoying your thread!!!
The main two selling points of the bit driver are 1) the long reach; and 2) the extra bits. If you don't need torx or hex, then the CyberTool M's cost probably isn't worth it. I mostly like it for the two different Phillips bits. Saves me from carrying a 58mm SAK for the smaller Phillips.
Also, there isn't a comparable 5-layer SAK that includes both the mini-pliers and the inline Phillips. Your only other options are the bigger CyberTool L and the SwissChamp.
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Been enjoying your thread!!!
The main two selling points of the bit driver are 1) the long reach; and 2) the extra bits. If you don't need torx or hex, then the CyberTool M's cost probably isn't worth it. I mostly like it for the two different Phillips bits. Saves me from carrying a 58mm SAK for the smaller Phillips.
Also, there isn't a comparable 5-layer SAK that includes both the mini-pliers and the inline Phillips. Your only other options are the bigger CyberTool L and the SwissChamp.
- FiL
That Cybertool hex bit has helped me assemble many an item from Ikea!
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Thanks Fil, Rapidray, VICMAN, fullbreakfast :hatsoff: ...and also the good idea on the CT-34 Rizio :tu:
Day 21
Victorinox has six 91mm models in their current range with the LED feature, typically paired with the inline Phillips screwdriver.
We’ve covered two so far, the 3-layer Spartan Lite and the 4-layer Traveler Lite. Today it’s the turn of the 5-layer Huntsman Lite.
As the name implies, this model has the same basic toolset as the Huntsman (scissors and wood saw) with one extra layer between the scissors and the openers to house the LED module and inline Phillips.
Victorinox also saw fit to include Plus scales with the mini-screwdriver/pin accessories as standard, and also the fine screwdriver back tool paired to the wood saw layer.
I’ve been a little critical of the LED in the past, and it is true that later models are a little brighter. But you’ll never use this LED for anything other than close proximity use around your person. Probably OK for most tasks.
I still wish they had designed the LED so that it could clip off and be used independently. I can imagine being in the dark, needing to use the SAK to work on something that needs illumination at the same time.
I can see myself disassembling one to cut a 2.5mm notch in the plastic pivot area below the LED diode, so that I can rotate the module upright and then lift it off the pivot. Would lose some tension on the Phillips and there’s always the risk of losing the LED module, but in an emergency, it would be great to be able to pop the module out. (Comments from modders welcome...)
Anyway, enough ramblings about nice-to-haves. I mentioned in an earlier review on a Lite model that the LED button has an instantaneous feature. Well, the Huntsman Lite I have only has the slide function. You cannot press it briefly. Only slide it back where it locks on permanently. Now I don’t know if this is a newer or older version, but I suspect older, as the LED is a little dimmer. I prefer the momentary feature, and there’s really not much chance of accidentally pressing it as the button is recessed.
In some ways, the Huntsman Lite can be thought of as an Explorer with the wood saw added and the magnifier changed for the LED. Considering how popular the Explorer is, it’s a little surprising that the Huntsman Lite doesn’t get more interest. I suspect that many see it just as an expensive Huntsman with an LED, not realizing that it also includes the excellent inline Phillips.
Pros:
- Good tool set with inline Phillips screwdriver
- Plus scales and accessories standard
Cons:
- LED useful for very close proximity illumination only (maybe a benefit)
- Does not like water (electronics)
Bottom line:
Many of the Lite models suffer the same fate of being largely ignored, which is a shame because the inline Phillips paired with the LED is one of the better tools to be found on a Victorinox. This extra layer, Plus scales and accessories, make the Huntsman Lite an interesting alternative to the standard Huntsman.
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Nice and informative as usual! :like: :cheers:
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Thank you Rapidray :hatsoff:
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Great review.
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Thanks again Max for a good read - the Huntsman lite also seems to be quite cheap whenever I see it! That grey housed LED seems much dimmer than the the (newer.) clear housed one.....
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Hey Max
How come you keep finding info that I did not know - I thought I knew most things about the 91mm range :pok:
- The stuff on the saws was fascinating
- I never knew the camping logo application was different Ranger vs Camper - How do you know that? - Observation? - Although I still, of course, prefer the older metal inlay
- And I never knew about the momentary press for the Lite switch !! And it works on both of mine (CT- clear and Traveller - grey - Both quite new) - That will be handy - Thanks :)
Not wishing this thread away - But bring on the XAVT - I assume you have one and it will feature - Looking f to hear your thoughts on that beast!!
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Good to see you reviewing the Lite models Max. They seem to get overlooked a lot.
I like the Traveller Lite and picked up a Mountaineer Lite last year which is a great combination of metal saw with LED and Phillips. Obviously if you want a proper torch then look elsewhere but as a fall back the LED's will do.
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Thanks 🆘, Rizio, Fast Bill :hatsoff:
And thanks Huntsman, but you’ll have to wait for Day 30... :cheers:
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Cool :popcorn:
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That Cybertool hex bit has helped me assemble many an item from Ikea!
You assembled Ikea furniture with a SAK?
That must have been a chore.... :o Some take some doing even with proper dedicated SD's...
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...someone say “electric bit driver”? :facepalm:
Day 22
So we leave the five layered 91mm SAKs behind us today...they were only three...
And we step into six layers with the CyberTool Lite. Even though there are 91mm SAKs with more layers, the CyberTool Lite is wider than most. Even wider than the 7-layer CyberTool L (CT-41) and the 8-layer Swiss Champ. This is because of the tool load; scissors, pliers, LED and magnifier and of course, the bit driver.
The CyberTool Lite is effectively a CyberTool M with the LED and magnifier as an added layer. Spot something different? Yes...normally the LED is paired with the inline Phillips, but as the CyberTool already has a very capable bit driver, Victorinox were smart enough to rather pair it with the magnifier.
The CyberTool Lite tool configuration also means the LED shines in the same direction as the deployed bit driver. So you can see what you are screwing (always helpful).
As the rest of the tool load is the same as the CyberTool M (CT-34), I’ll refer you back to that mini-review I did a few days ago if you want more details.
Pros:
- Excellent bit driver
- LED points the right direction when using the bit driver
Cons:
- A very large SAK, bigger than a Swiss Champ
- Won’t like water because of the electronics
Bottom line:
The CyberTool Lite is a big SAK, but ideal if you need some extra illumination when using the bit driver. There are reducing options once you get into six layers and above, so it becomes increasingly difficult to make a choice. And this model is one of the more specialized options.
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Nice review and that light is pretty good from the looks of the photo! :tu:
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Nice review. I didn’t know a lot about the Cybertools or 91mm Lits SAKs so your reviews have been nice and informative.
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Great reviews on the Huntsman Lite and CyberTool Lite Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
Nice pics too! :cheers:
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The lites have never been on my radar, so it's nice reading your reviews
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And thanks Huntsman, but you’ll have to wait for Day 30... :cheers:
Also looking f to seeing which two other non-current SAKs make it into the line up!! :popcorn: ;)
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:iagree: and you know it is going to be good! :popcorn:
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Clue on one...tick-tock... :whistle:
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Nice review. I didn’t know a lot about the Cybertools or 91mm Lits SAKs so your reviews have been nice and informative.
Thanks 🆘, Huntsman, Rapidray, VICMAN, Greg. :hatsoff:
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Clue on one...tick-tock... :whistle:
Another time piece it is! :popcorn:
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Day 23
For some, the 5-layer Ranger is the ideal SAK. It combines the essential large and small blades, bottle and tin openers that double as screwdrivers, scissors, wood saw, file with metal saw, and five tools on the back including the corkscrew, awl, fine screwdriver, chisel and hook.
Victorinox had a few choices of what tool to add to the Ranger, and I’m pleased they chose the pliers. This 6-layer model, known as the Handyman, really does live up to its name.
Only a few tools short of the Swiss Champ (fish scaler and inline Phillips/magnifier), the Handyman is a little easier on the pocket, both in terms of Dollars and weight. Probably the smarter choice, if you can live without the inline Phillips.
Pros:
- Comprehensive tool set
- Quite compact for a 6 layer SAK
Cons:
- Just a little big for pocket EDC, without a suspension clip
- Pliers more like super-tweezers
Bottom line:
Living under the shadow of the iconic Swiss Champ can’t be easy. But the Handyman is a real alternative if you’re looking to save a little in size and cost. Unfortunately, I expect most people will just go straight for its bigger brother and never look back.
(NB: last pic compares width to another 6-layer SAK, the CyberTool Lite, reviewed yesterday).
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Great review of the Handyman Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Very good review...and great photo of the comparison between the two! :tu: :cheers:
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I've just been lurking here lately. What a great thread, Max! Nice balanced reviews, and I've enjoyed the responses. :hatsoff:
The Handyman is all business and well named. It was my first SAK after a long lost Swisschamp. It had all the tools I used most on my SC and had less bulk overall, so it made for a slightly easier pocket carry. I carried it for two years.
I bought the discontinued Craftsman (with Phillips instead of corkscrew) later because I use the wood saw a lot at work and find the Handyman's corkscrew makes using it uncomfortable. I returned to the HM though because I missed the CS too much. A much better tool than the Phillips as it has multiple and unique uses.
As for the less endowed 91mm knives, I favour the Camper as it's a slim gardening and outdoors carry. Of course it's for the saw, so the Hiker makes more sense from a comfort point of view - but again, the handy corkscrew gives the Camper the edge. It was my pocket carry of choice yesterday when I visited a place with a rambling forest garden.
I find the Explorer great for around home, in the kitchen especially where all front tools see regular use. I much prefer the more centred inline Phillips over the Swisschamp's more offset one, and the Explorer's square section makes it more comfortable in the hand. A great choice if you don't need the saws, pliers, and scaler of the SC. My former brother in law has carried an Explorer in his pocket everywhere for years, and has used it to assemble furniture. For him it's the perfect pocket toolbox.
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Great review of the Handyman Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
:iagree: Max, great job!
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Thanks FB, VICMAN, Rapidray and Sawl for your insightful comments. :hatsoff:
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Max, I continue to enjoy your daily postings on all the models.
The only problem I have with your reporting, however, is that it makes me want to go out and buy all the models I don't have! :drool:
(Do you work for the Victorinox marketing department?) :pok:
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Ha! Thanks jph_777, you made me laugh! :hatsoff:
I’m not with Vic. Just a good relationship with the Vic agent in South Africa. Although every time I’m in their shop I inevitably end up talking to other customers and being asked the same :D
I’m actually one product short in the current 91mm range, that’s a story by itself. The shop has most of their Victorinox SAKs displayed along one side of the shop, but they keep the limited editions and larger ‘collectors’ editions behind glass.
For about six months I’d been eying the Expedition Lite that they had in a display cabinet, tools closed up but resting against the expedition kit pouch it comes with. It was the only unit they had, so I eventually committed to buying it.
As standard practice, I always go over a new SAK in the store to ensure all is well, and while the salesman was off looking for the original box, I had some time to inspect the SAK.
So it was a shock (for me and the salesman) when I discovered that the tip of the large blade was bent. Someone must have dropped it point down in the shop at some earlier time.
It had to go back to the factory and a replacement ordered, which I’m told should arrive this week. Hopefully still within my 30 day challenge window! :salute:
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Max, on your Expedition Lite knife, is the housing of the light part grey or clear? Mine is grey, but I understand there is a clear housing on some. Someone here on MTO posted a photo of the clear housing and I've wanted it ever since.
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The one that went back to the factory was grey, not seen what the new one is yet but hopefully will know next week! :popcorn:
Day 24
I am skipping the last 6-layered SAK; the Expedition Lite. Only because the one that should be the focus of today’s attention had to go back to the factory, and hopefully its replacement arrives this week...so it will still get its chance to shine before the challenge is over.
So the next SAK up for consideration is the largest of the officially named CyberTools, the CyberTool L or CT-41.
And while the CyberTool Lite, M and S models are all directly related to one other, the CT-41 is closer to the Handyman than to its CT siblings.
In fact, the CT-41 can be considered a Handyman with the bit driver tool layer added. So it keeps the Handyman’s great tool load of blades, openers, file/metal saw, wood saw, scissors, pliers and five back tools.
It’s because of this relationship to the Handyman, itself so close to the Swiss Champ, that many see the CT-41 as the modern alternative to the Swiss Champ. And it’s identical in width to the Swiss Champ, so while you lose the fish scaler and magnifier, the inline Phillips is replaced by the very capable bit driver.
It’s easy to assume that the CT-41 is the biggest of the CyberTools, especially as it’s called the CyberTool L, but as the pictures below show, the CyberTool Lite is wider that the CT-41 by quite a margin due to the LED module.
Pros:
- Very capable alternative to the Swiss Champ
- Good bit driver
- Plus scales and accessories
Cons:
- Bit driver offset from center so not as easy to use as those on other CyberTools
- Difficult for pocket carry due to size and weight
Bottom line:
The bit driver is one of the newer tools created by Victorinox, and it’s a little at odds with the rest of the SAK tools that blend in more seamlessly. But putting this aside, the CT-41 is the only real alternative to the Swiss Champ, if you are looking for the most functionality in a body that’s no wider.
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Ha! Thanks jph_777, you made me laugh! :hatsoff:
I’m not with Vic. Just a good relationship with the Vic agent in South Africa. Although every time I’m in their shop I inevitably end up talking to other customers and being asked the same :D
I’m actually one product short in the current 91mm range, that’s a story by itself. The shop has most of their Victorinox SAKs displayed along one side of the shop, but they keep the limited editions and larger ‘collectors’ editions behind glass.
For about six months I’d been eying the Expedition Lite that they had in a display cabinet, tools closed up but resting against the expedition kit pouch it comes with. It was the only unit they had, so I eventually committed to buying it.
As standard practice, I always go over a new SAK in the store to ensure all is well, and while the salesman was off looking for the original box, I had some time to inspect the SAK.
So it was a shock (for me and the salesman) when I discovered that the tip of the large blade was bent. Someone must have dropped it point down in the shop at some earlier time.
It had to go back to the factory and a replacement ordered, which I’m told should arrive this week. Hopefully still within my 30 day challenge window! :salute:
I hope it does also! :tu:
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Very nice CT-41 :tu: :cheers:
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I finally found some time to read all the posts, and it is an amazing read!
Very well written and very informative. Good job Max :like:
I will take the opportunity to ask a question: What do you guys use the backside chisel for? So far I have been unable to find a suitable use for it. No way to use it for its intended purpose :think:
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I finally found some time to read all the posts, and it is an amazing read!
Very well written and very informative. Good job Max :like:
I will take the opportunity to ask a question: What do you guys use the backside chisel for? So far I have been unable to find a suitable use for it. No way to use it for its intended purpose :think:
Paint/sticker scraper?
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Love the Handyman review. I’ve been considering getting one, but not sure why to choose over just getting theSwissChamp.
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Kudos Max, what a great series of reviews! I keep enjoying my daily fix and will be sad when this challenge comes to an end. Hope you will take us on another journey then, maybe down the discontinued 91mm range?
Will you crown your personal winner at the end of the month? It would be interesting to know which 91mm is your personal favourite and why.
Keep up the good work! :cheers:
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Nice CT-41 review Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Kudos Max, what a great series of reviews! I keep enjoying my daily fix and will be sad when this challenge comes to an end. Hope you will take us on another journey then, maybe down the discontinued 91mm range?
Will you crown your personal winner at the end of the month? It would be interesting to know which 91mm is your personal favourite and why.
Keep up the good work! :cheers:
I second that, maybe top three and why? :popcorn:
Someone from Vic should hire this man, definitely one heck of an enabler! :D
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Love the Handyman review. I’ve been considering getting one, but not sure why to choose over just getting theSwissChamp.
The Handyman has the essential tools. The additions on the SwissChamp are more like gadgets to me that I can live without. The dedicated Phillips is great, but the can opener does a good job on screws already. The magnifier is nice to have, but nothing I really need. It is more for fun. Same goes for the fish scaler. While those three tools have their merit, I feel like they are just additions to the essentials.
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Nice and comprehensive reviews Max.
It has been a pleasure for me follow this topic.
Good job!
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...I will take the opportunity to ask a question: What do you guys use the backside chisel for? So far I have been unable to find a suitable use for it. No way to use it for its intended purpose :think:
Thanks Hevy, comis, VICMAN, sos, TXSAK, Rapidray and Sir Vic for all the positive feedback and discussion. Top picks may just go into a poll at the end, as we could keep this discussion going a long time... :whistle:
On the back chisel, I guess it’s a little like the corkscrew, fish scaler and awl. One of those multi-purpose tools that rarely gets used for its intended purpose, but is nice to have if you need it. As a flat, short blade, it could be used to scrape against a flat surface to lift something off. A mini-paint scraper is a good analogy. :tu:
Day 25
At some time, around 70 years ago, Victorinox realized that there was a market for a multi-layered Swiss Army Knife. Not just the garden-variety three or four layers like they did in the 1940’s, but jumping to six layers. Something that included all the major tools available across the product line, in one medium-sized pocket knife.
This was the ‘52 Champion. And it was exactly that, for over 30 years (with a mid-life upgrade to 7 layers). The flagship of the 91mm range, evolving together with the tools as they were developed and improved over time.
Then in late ‘85, Victorinox launched the Swiss Champ (the name no doubt derived from its predecessor, which continued in production until recently). And today, almost 35 years later, the Swiss Champ is still considered the flagship, even though there are bigger 91mm models available, and even mainstream models, like the CyberTools, with more functions.
But there’s a sense of completeness, like a well-written symphony, about the Swiss Champ. Holding one never fails to impress, to the point where we can excuse some of its shortcomings, like its sheer size and weight.
I carried my Swiss Champ today on a short suspension clip, and it rides quite comfortably in my pocket. It’s probably true that I’ll never use all tools in a week, or even several months, and I could probably rotate a dozen smaller SAKs every day and get by. But there’s something undeniably special about carrying a Swiss Champ.
Sure, the fish scaler won’t get used to scale fish (by anyone), and I would probably not want to assemble IKEA furniture with the inline Phillips. But the point is; with the Swiss Champ, you can. And with 8 layers, 64 individual parts, 16 folding tools that I won’t name here, 5 removable tools and 33 functions, there’s a lot more possibilities with this, the champion of Victorinox.
Pros:
- All the tools you’ll almost never need in one package
- You can pocket EDC if you’re passionate about your SAK
- The reward of owning one
Cons:
- Overkill for most people
- Lives a little on its reputation
- Size makes some tools awkward to use
Bottom line:
It’s really hard to be critical about a product that has been refined over several decades. Many of the tools are quite compromised due to space limitations, but each functions as well as can be expected...sometimes better, and the quality of the fit and finish is top-class. It’s difficult to have an interest in Swiss Army Knives and not own a Swiss Champ, but it’s just as difficult to justify whether you need 33 functions in your pocket.
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Another informative review, thank you Max! :cheers:
The SwissChamp was the second knife I ever bought and still have. I bought the one with the SOS kit.
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I want a Swiss Champ, but haven't pulled the trigger yet...
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Great review of the Swisschamp :tu:
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Then in late ‘85, Victorinox launched the Swiss Champ (the name no doubt derived from its predecessor, which continued in production until recently). And today, almost 35 years later, the Swiss Champ is still considered the flagship, even though there are bigger 91mm models available, and even mainstream models, like the CyberTools, with more functions.
Great review of the SwissChamp Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Once again you have perfectly summed up the model you are reviewing Max, its history, evolution, cabability, usability, and place in the range
- I agree with every word you wrote, especially the carry comments.
When you have a SwissChamp in your pocket you feel like you can cope with anything and conquer the world. :D
Althought I must admit, when I bought my first couple of SAKs many decades ago - I did think that the SC was a bit ridiculous (....ly big) and 'over the top'
Since my SAK/MT obsession hobby started about five years ago - I have changed my mind ....
- Although I rarely carry the SC - It is in my 'EDC rotation' and love to have it in my pocket.
Who, like me, thinks the Vic pliers came about as a direct response to the Leatherman PST? ???
As we know, back in 1983 the LM PST was a redefinition of the pocket knife - In Tim Leatherman's own words
- Although later, of course, went on to define a whole new genre of pliers based multitools
My belief is that in 1983/4 Vic thought "Sh1t - We'd better get something to compete with this PST"
(Or is that sheisse? ;) - Actually neither - As Vic is a highly moral company and I doubt that they swear!!)
- Hence the pliers and the SC in 1985
The timing is too close to be anything else !!
And of couse, ten years later, as the pliers based tools became even more successful, they brought out the Swisstool.
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You may have missed your calling! I enjoy your write ups and always find them educational at the least. Well done! :cheers: :tu:
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I want a Swiss Champ, but haven't pulled the trigger yet...
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You should. I just did last week and it is awesome :D
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Day 20
We now move to the second 5-layer SAK; the Ranger. And here we find, for the first time, the combination of scissors, wood saw and metal saw/file.
You can think of the Ranger as the combined DNA of the Mountaineer (scissors and file) and the Huntsman (scissors and wood saw).
And the file and wood saw are two of the slimmest layers, so the Ranger is no wider than some 4-layered SAKs, and pocket EDC was OK. Although I was using a suspension clip.
Bit what really makes the Ranger special is that every single layer has a back tool, and it’s the only 91mm SAK to have this density of tools. So in addition to the hook, corkscrew and awl that’s standard fare on many SAKs, you get the fine flat screwdriver paired with the wood saw, and the chisel paired with the file.
It’s no wonder that the Ranger is so popular. And it gets the really smart ‘camping’ logo on the top scale, the same design as the one used on the Camper, but a higher quality application that’s printed and then clear gloss top coated, as is the Victorinox logo.
I really enjoyed carrying the Ranger. It’s almost a Swiss Champ on diet, losing the pliers, inline Phillips/magnifier and scaler, but a lot more compact.
Pros:
- Great tool combination
- Full compliment of back tools
- Surprisingly compact for 5-layers
- Well-priced for what it offers
Cons:
- Difficult to fault. Plus scales would have been nice, but can always be added.
Bottom line:
This is the SAK to have if you’re looking for an all-rounder that won’t break the bank. Anything less and it’s a case of a specific tool requirement or lightweight EDC. Anything more and you’re looking at the much more expensive Swiss Champ.
Hi Max
My Ranger came to me for a mere $7 usd. From a flea market. I had to clean and sharpen, but a real gem. I've been carrying it daily for months and love it.
Interestingly older Rangers dont have the hook nor any back tool associated with the wood saw. The metal inlay camping symbol is different...instead of three lines making up the tent, it's one very thick solid line, and the line under the tent extends all the way to the right to underline the word.
Mine has the flouted corkscrew and no hook. One of my new favorites
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You should. I just did last week and it is awesome :D
I'll start looking then :cheers:
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Do you know when you have to many SAK’s?
When you have a model, ie the Ranger, and you didn’t know you have one already! :facepalm:
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:rofl: :D
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:think: :whistle:
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Max, another great writeup for the Flagship Swisschamp! :hatsoff:
It's was my first SAK gifted to me long ago by family members, back then it meant the world to me, and it still does. Always bring a smile on my face whenever I see one. :D :tu:
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Max, this thread is AWESOME! :like:
Cant wait to see the rest!
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I love my Swisschamp,
And my Champion. :D
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Thanks again everyone for your feedback, and Huntsman for the interesting idea that Vic may have been responding to the PST when they added pliers. It does seem to line up historically. :hatsoff:
Day 26
As we’re approaching the end of this challenge, I have a few discontinued 91mm models to fill out the 30 days.
Seeing we reviewed the Swiss Champ yesterday, it’s only fitting to cover the Swiss Champ Super Timer. This was the first time Victorinox added electronics to a Swiss Army Knife, and the last time they included an analogue timepiece in a pocket knife (together with the similar watch-equipped Compact, the Time Keeper).
Launched a few years after the Swiss Champ in the early 90’s, the Super Timer uses a little quartz module designed to clip into a modified top scale. The watch was made for Victorinox by ETA, a Swiss manufacturer of movements that has a history even older than Victorinox. Today, ETA is part of the giant Swatch Group who also own famous brands such as Omega, Breguet and Glashütte.
The little embedded quartz watch is water resistant with a case that is reminiscent of a Swatch watch, and likely designed by the same team. The case and crystal are plastic and sealed as one unit, with a pop-off cover for the battery compartment. Also zero jewels like a Swatch, but this is not an issue as there’s no tension on the gear-train in a quartz watch, and it has no second hand, keeping the height of the movement within the scale, almost.
The custom top scale is a little deeper than normal and swells slightly to accommodate the watch, strategically at the same point where the awl is stowed - cleverly providing some protection for the crown. Victorinox even cut out the liner to recess the battery cover, as can be seen in the picture.
There’s also a picture of one next to a Swiss Champ from the same era. If you have a newer Swiss Champ you might spot a few differences other than the obvious length of the Phillips and the grey magnifier.
Today, Victorinox uses a digital scale with an LCD to display the time, but ironically, like the analogue Super Timer, only hours and minutes are displayed. Some watch connoisseurs may turn their noses up at an analogue quartz movement, but for this application, it was the right choice.
And as nice as it is to have the additional functions that come with the new digital scale, there’s something timeless about the elegant oval face of the Super Timer. It’s one of my most special SAKs.
Pros:
- It tells the time
- It’s still a Swiss Champ
- The watch module can be removed to deep clean the SAK
Cons:
- Won’t be as robust as a standard SAK
- Discontinued and getting expensive
Bottom line:
The Swiss Champ Super Timer is one of the more unusual discontinued models that today is becoming quite collectible. It’s not the most attractive industrial design, with the watch face a tad too big for the scale, reminding me a little of Salvador Dali’s Persistence of Memory painting. But there’s no denying that Victorinox did a good job marrying these two very different technologies, and this quirkiness even adds to its appeal.
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Nice one again! :tu:
Your cons are the reason I pass on it. I would be more afraid of breaking it in the outdoor environment, dropping it, etc. :facepalm:
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Yes, that is a concern. But I’ve had Swatches and they’re tough little plastic watches, so it would probably do a respectable job of holding up given it has so much Swatch DNA. But as I only have one, I don’t expect to use mine for EDC. :salute:
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Yes, that is a concern. But I’ve had Swatches and they’re tough little plastic watches, so it would probably do a respectable job of holding up given it has so much Swatch DNA. But as I only have one, I don’t expect to use mine for EDC. :salute:
A Sunday carry maybe! :tu:
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Nice write-up again, Max! :like:
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This has been such a fun and educational thread for me - awesome work Max!
It has got me thinking about how, almost counter-intuitively, so many of these models seem to have their own special character that you only really discover when you handle and use them day to day. I mean you'd think that with a limited number of permutations based on a small number of different tools there would be a certain sameness to the range, and choosing between knives would be a simple, utilitarian matter. But it certainly doesn't feel that way.
Part of it, I'm sure, is the well thought out system of naming that Victorinox have, which creates a certain personality for the knife right away, and makes it easy to think and talk about the models...it's much more inviting to get involved in a discussion about the relative merits of the Explorer and the Super-Tinker than if they were the V91.42 and the V91.36. No slouches when it came to marketing, these Elseners!
But there is more to it than that I think. Partly down to an effect I first noticed when I was a watch nut many years ago, that small differences you would think are insignificant in objective terms, a couple of millimetres here or a few grams there, can create a huge difference in subjective experience when they apply to these small objects that we share our personal space with on a daily basis. The 4mm difference in thickness between a Climber and an Explorer isn't much, but it's a world of difference in the hand or the pocket.
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Great write-up and pics of the Swiss Champ Super Timer Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thanks VICMAN, Rapidray and Sir Vic :hatsoff:
And fullbreakfast, you raise an interesting topic of individuality which is certainly stronger on some SAKs than others, with the name contributing to this. Like watches, SAKs are very tactile and personal items, so it’s not surprising that some are held in higher regard. :tu:
Day 27
Victorinox products are generally designed for everyday use. But like many brands, they have realized there’s good business to be made by targeting enthusiasts and collectors.
And while there’s nothing stopping you carrying a limited edition Victorinox Damascus pocket knife for EDC (and people do), the size of the very large SAKs, with 10-15 layers, do tend to limit them to collectors (that, and the price).
But there appears to be one 91mm Victorinox that has a little bit of an identity crisis. Is it for general use, or for the collector? This is the 11-layer Swiss Champ XLT.
Victorinox realized, shortly after launching the CyberTool family in 2000, that they could add the newly-released bit driver to the Swiss Champ and create a super Swiss Champ. But in an unusual decision, Victorinox decided to add a further two layers, one for the Pharmaceutical Spatula and another for a pair of less common short blades, a Pruning and an
Electrician's blade.
So Victorinox may have missed an opportunity to upgrade the Swiss Champ with just one extra layer, similar to what they did with the Champion, when they added the inline Phillips and magnifier as a mid-life upgrade from six to seven layers.
But there’s a simple explanation. Victorinox had just released the Swiss Champ XL a year before the CyberTool, and I suspect that as sales were poor on this product, they decided to swap out the golf-specific divot repair tool for the more useful bit driver.
There’s also the need to space products and prices to avoid unnecessary sales cannibalization. A Swiss Champ with a bit driver could put CyberTool L (CT-41) sales at risk and even threaten the Swiss Champ. But I still think they missed an opportunity.
As a side note, it’s common for the XLT to be referred to unofficially as the CT-50, for its 50 functions and tool relationship with the CyperTool family. Maybe if they dropped a couple of questionable layers, they could market it as a 9-layer CyberTool XL?
Pros:
- A Swiss Champ with a bit driver
Cons:
- Unnecessarily extra layers come along for the ride
Bottom line:
The XLT should not be seen as a collector’s SAK, but as a Swiss Champ with an added bit driver, ready to be carried in a bag or glove compartment to tackle any range of tasks...even to handle pharmaceutical products.
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That is some interesting history! Great review for sure! :like: :cheers:
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Pharmaceutical spatula? I thought that was an oar! :rofl:
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:rofl:
Good one!
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Love thos thread and the descriptions.
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The XLT is definitilvely a user...
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The XLT is definitilvely a user...
Do you find it easy enough to use the tools with such a fat knife? I've always thought 43mm wide would be too much of a handful for me, even though I always wanted a SAK with a coke spoon attachment...
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Good review and great pics of the XLT Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
I have an XLT, but it is just a shade too wide for the size of my hands for it to be comfortable in use.
The size of the SwissChamp is the largest that is comfortable for me.
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Thanks Rapidray, Sos, VICMAN, fullbreakfast, ulzhan, TXSAK. :hatsoff:
The XLT is in that grey zone. I have carried and used mine (more out of curiosity), and while it is a little more bulky in the hand, it’s nothing like the XAVT which is definitely in the collectors corner. I am sure that a good percentage of XLT’s get bought and used, and not put on a shelf...
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Max, on your Expedition Lite knife, is the housing of the light part grey or clear? Mine is grey, but I understand there is a clear housing on some. Someone here on MTO posted a photo of the clear housing and I've wanted it ever since.
Still waiting for the Expedition Lite to land. But it seems Victorinox switched to a clear LED housing on the XAVT when they dropped the grey magnifier in favour for the Wenger wrench.
Clear housing is cool as it lights up when the LED is on...not sure why this change hasn’t migrated to all other ‘Lite’ models. Maybe just an inventory issue on the housing? :dunno:
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Nice shot of the lite :like:
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Do you find it easy enough to use the tools with such a fat knife? I've always thought 43mm wide would be too much of a handful for me, even though I always wanted a SAK with a coke spoon attachment...
No Problem. I am used to it and it works. Have a XLT for EDC.
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I recently got a NIB oldish (v2 mag.) XLT for 130 Euros with every intention of pocket carrying it occasionally when hiking. Now, while I find it can be carried with a P-7 clip reasonably well, I suddenly have scruples using it on account of the high price.
An unexpected dilemma: I wanted the XLT to be prepared for all eventualities but am now afraid I might feel guilty if it deteriorates in the process. Yet deterioration is of course inevitable when a multittool sees action and gets you out of a pinch. I had an old Swisschamp (which sadly I lost) that could testify to that, but it served me well and I never gave a second thought to using it whenever I felt the need.
While this dilemma might not exist in case of a Swisstool given that there just aren't viable cheap alternatives (I wouldn't really know, I am not a pliers guy), I have become very aware since owning the XLT just how unlikely it is I will ever encounter a hiking situation in which the XLT would save the day whereas a normal SC (or even a Ranger, for that matter) would not. And at less than half the price at that (or a quarter of the price in case of the Ranger...).
Has anyone encountered the same dilemma and can give me any compelling reasons why I should not keep the XLT as a pristine shelf queen and take the SC (or the still reasonably priced CT41) on my hikes instead?
(Edit: just to dodge the inevitable joke, I should add I don't take drugs...)
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Doubt a bit driver is very useful on a hike. The two extra blades are likely superfluous to the existing large/small blades. I would reckon the 'champ all the way. Use the extra weight/space for a fire starter, knife sharpener, or light.
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Still waiting for the Expedition Lite to land. But it seems Victorinox switched to a clear LED housing on the XAVT when they dropped the grey magnifier in favour for the Wenger wrench.
Clear housing is cool as it lights up when the LED is on...not sure why this change hasn’t migrated to all other ‘Lite’ models. Maybe just an inventory issue on the housing? :dunno:
Max, my Cybertool lite came with the clear LED torch, I subsequently pinched it for the InvesTigator mod & CT34 mods, and to my eyes it is much brighter than the grey LED torch on my Traveller lite....but I could be wrong!!
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Day 28
Victorinox has over 50 discontinued 91mm models, in addition to all the limited edition and special releases.
In the current range, there are some with identical tool loads, with just the back Phillips or corkscrew differentiating the model. Like the 3-layer Camper/Hiker and 4-layer Huntsman/Fieldmaster pairs.
The popular 5-layer Ranger used to have a partner with a Phillips backtool. This was the Master Craftsman...now discontinued. There are sadly no 5-layer SAKs left in the current 91mm line up with a back Phillips.
With scissors, metal file and wood saw (and standard blades and openers), the Master Craftsman has a good tool load. It has a Phillips back tool, with early models missing the hook and chisel, but including the 2.5mm screwdriver and awl on the back.
What makes the Master Craftsman interesting is that it was (apparently) the model NASA bought in ‘78 for their space shuttle program. Victorinox picked up on this marketing opportunity, renaming it the Astronaut in ‘86. Some with the Space Shuttle logo on the top scale.
The Master Craftsman model I have dates from around 1989, making it an Astronaut. It had plain scales that I swapped out as they were a little scratched up. It has no hook, but interestingly, it does have the chisel.
Beyond the great tool load on the Astronaut, I appreciate the clean lines it has with the Phillips back tool. And the lack of the hook I believe makes for a smoother, neater shape on the back. Furthermore, these earlier models have a full-height liner between the file and wood saw, filling the gap and looking a bit cleaner (although the saw’s teeth can catch the liner).
Overall, I find this SAK one of the most attractive that I own. And while I’m a traditionalist at heart, in the case of the Astronaut, I like the Phillips back tool. I guess there were more screws in space.
Pros:
- High density tool load
- Historical significance
- Elegant, integrated design
Cons:
- Discontinued
- Missing the hook (but looks better)
Bottom line:
There really is no equivalent to the Master Craftsman in today’s lineup, which makes it all the more disappointing that it’s no longer available, as it has a good tool load and I am sure it was popular in its day. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Max, my Cybertool lite came with the clear LED torch, I subsequently pinched it for the InvesTigator mod & CT34 mods, and to my eyes it is much brighter than the grey LED torch on my Traveller lite....but I could be wrong!!
Good to know! Here’s hoping they are cutting over to the clear housing. The LED is significantly brighter than the grey versions...even reaching the other side of my room like a real flashlight :tu:
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Nice review and photos again! :like: :cheers:
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Thanks Rapidray :hatsoff: thought I’d try a space background for the Astronaut :D
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Day 28
What makes the Master Craftsman interesting is that it was (apparently) the model NASA bought in ‘78 for their space shuttle program. Victorinox picked up on this marketing opportunity, renaming it the Astronaut in ‘86. Some with the Space Shuttle logo on the top scale.
Great review and pictures of the Master Craftsman Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
I think the white scales are beautiful!
Here is a picture of mine with the Space Shuttle on it.
Click on picture for best picture
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Very nice VICMAN :like: looks pristine too. I wonder if they needed permission to use the space shuttle image?
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Very nice VICMAN :like: looks pristine too. I wonder if they needed permission to use the space shuttle image?
Thanks Max. I got mine when I was a Victorinox dealer. It has never been used.
That is a good question.
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Maybe back in the 80’s people were less worried about borrowed IP? Even though it’s a fairly generic image, it’s still clearly a space shuttle. I can’t image anyone getting away with that today. Imaging a SpaceX rocket image...
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Maybe back in the 80’s people were less worried about borrowed IP? Even though it’s a fairly generic image, it’s still clearly a space shuttle. I can’t image anyone getting away with that today. Imaging a SpaceX rocket image...
I would not be surprised if they did have to get permission to use that image. It would be interesting to find out if they did.
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Nice shuttle SAK Vicman!
Max, I learn so much from your posts, thank you for taking your time and efforts on this topic. :like: :tu: :hatsoff:
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Nice shuttle SAK Vicman!
Max, I learn so much from your posts, thank you for taking your time and efforts on this topic. :like: :tu: :hatsoff:
Thank you FB! :cheers:
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Still waiting for the Expedition Lite to land. But it seems Victorinox switched to a clear LED housing on the XAVT when they dropped the grey magnifier in favour for the Wenger wrench.
Clear housing is cool as it lights up when the LED is on...not sure why this change hasn’t migrated to all other ‘Lite’ models. Maybe just an inventory issue on the housing? :dunno:
This. I have a Spartan Lite with scales embossed 2017 and the new clear module.
I'm sure some retailers have older stock to ditch.
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Great Max!!!
Very nice review
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I recently got a NIB oldish (v2 mag.) XLT for 130 Euros with every intention of pocket carrying it occasionally when hiking. Now, while I find it can be carried with a P-7 clip reasonably well, I suddenly have scruples using it on account of the high price.
An unexpected dilemma: I wanted the XLT to be prepared for all eventualities but am now afraid I might feel guilty if it deteriorates in the process. Yet deterioration is of course inevitable when a multittool sees action and gets you out of a pinch. I had an old Swisschamp (which sadly I lost) that could testify to that, but it served me well and I never gave a second thought to using it whenever I felt the need.
While this dilemma might not exist in case of a Swisstool given that there just aren't viable cheap alternatives (I wouldn't really know, I am not a pliers guy), I have become very aware since owning the XLT just how unlikely it is I will ever encounter a hiking situation in which the XLT would save the day whereas a normal SC (or even a Ranger, for that matter) would not. And at less than half the price at that (or a quarter of the price in case of the Ranger...).
Has anyone encountered the same dilemma and can give me any compelling reasons why I should not keep the XLT as a pristine shelf queen and take the SC (or the still reasonably priced CT41) on my hikes instead?
(Edit: just to dodge the inevitable joke, I should add I don't take drugs...)
I'm with Boatman422, I too would probably take the SC, unless you have important gear that will need fixing which is a torx screw.
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Max, good writeup!
Despite Vic comes up with very creative or imaginative names here and there, I think the Master Craftsman is a very befitting name for this tool. If I were in a space mission and pilers was not needed, I too would want to go up with this.
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Thanks comis, Hevy, FB :hatsoff:
...of course your scales could have come from older inventory kamakiri... :o
But yes, we we talk about Victorinox inventory, we have to consider the whole retail supply chain.
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Thanks for your opinions, boatman and comis. Too bad you confirmed my doubts - I guess the XLT will stay in the drawer for the time being :dunno:
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Thanks comis, Hevy, FB :hatsoff:
...of course your scales could have come from older inventory kamakiri... :o
But yes, we we talk about Victorinox inventory, we have to consider the whole retail supply chain.
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...and sometimes from the future. :think: I had a scale back in '18 that was already showing the the '19 mark. :dunno:
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Great thread. Great writing. Great reviews. Great pics. Keep 'em coming, Max! :hatsoff:
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That white Astronaut is so cool :drool:
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Thanks fullbreakfast and kamakiri :hatsoff:
Day 29
Before we wrap up the 30 day challenge, we’re rewinding almost to the beginning, back to the Spartan we covered on Day 2. Not just any Spartan, but the Spartan PS.
Unlike a black oxide finish, the Spartan PS has a shimmering black Polispectral finish created by immersing the stainless steel parts in a hot chromic-sulphuric acid solution and following this with a cathodic hardening treatment in another acid solution.
The colouring process chemically thickens the passive chromium-oxide layer that gives stainless steel its corrosion resistance. And the colours are produced by the interference that occurs as light waves pass through the transparent passive layer.
Being colourless, the chromium oxide layer is not susceptible to fading by ultraviolet light and, as the colouring process does not involve pigments or colouring agents that might bleach or fade over time, Polispectral stainless steel has a long life. Plus it does not rub off on your hands like black oxide.
A particular attraction of the Polispectral finish is that it appears to change colour under different lighting conditions and angles. It’s not particularly noticeable on the Spartan PS, but it does change though light grey, charcoal and to a deep black at different angles.
A downside is that the finish cannot be repaired if scratched, so while it is attractive on a Swiss Army Knife, it will get worn with use and these wear marks cannot be removed by polishing or refinishing. Victorinox even warn about this characteristic.
Victorinox charge a hefty premium for their Polispectral SAKs. Currently they offer it only on the Spartan, with white, black and camo scales. (And Man on the Moon LE).
I covered a more in-depth review of the Polispectral technology back in April in this rather long post:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=81313.0 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=81313.0)
Pros:
- Unique black tools very attractive
- It’s still a Spartan
Cons:
- Polispectral coating cannot be repaired
- 3 x the cost of a standard Spartan
Bottom line:
There’s no denying the attraction the Polispectral finish creates on the Spartan PS, but it’s a serious premium that is difficult to justify. Still a very nice shelf queen...
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Great review and pics of the Spartan PS Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Thank you VICMAN :hatsoff:
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Thanks fullbreakfast and kamakiri :hatsoff:
Day 29
Before we wrap up the 30 day challenge, we’re rewinding almost to the beginning, back to the Spartan we covered on Day 2. Not just any Spartan, but the Spartan PS.
Unlike a black oxide finish, the Spartan PS has a shimmering black Polispectral finish created by immersing the stainless steel parts in a hot chromic-sulphuric acid solution and following this with a cathodic hardening treatment in another acid solution.
The colouring process chemically thickens the passive chromium-oxide layer that gives stainless steel its corrosion resistance. And the colours are produced by the interference that occurs as light waves pass through the transparent passive layer.
Being colourless, the chromium oxide layer is not susceptible to fading by ultraviolet light and, as the colouring process does not involve pigments or colouring agents that might bleach or fade over time, Polispectral stainless steel has a long life. Plus it does not rub off on your hands like black oxide.
A particular attraction of the Polispectral finish is that it appears to change colour under different lighting conditions and angles. It’s not particularly noticeable on the Spartan PS, but it does change though light grey, charcoal and to a deep black at different angles.
A downside is that the finish cannot be repaired if scratched, so while it is attractive on a Swiss Army Knife, it will get worn with use and these wear marks cannot be removed by polishing or refinishing. Victorinox even warn about this characteristic.
Victorinox charge a hefty premium for their Polispectral SAKs. Currently they offer it only on the Spartan, with white, black and camo scales. (And Man on the Moon LE).
I covered a more in-depth review of the Polispectral technology back in April in this rather long post:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=81313.0 (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=81313.0)
Pros:
- Unique black tools very attractive
- It’s still a Spartan
Cons:
- Polispectral coating cannot be repaired
- 3 x the cost of a standard Spartan
Bottom line:
There’s no denying the attraction the Polispectral finish creates on the Spartan PS, but it’s a serious premium that is difficult to justify. Still a very nice shelf queen...
Very nice BO :like: :cheers:
Nice review. Am going to miss your reviews thats for sure! :cheers:
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Nice review, Max! :like: I had no idea how this works.
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Thank you Rapidray, Sir Vic. :hatsoff:
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Day 30
What has 15 layers, weighs 12.6oz (356g) and is 2.5in (65mm) wide? As it’s Day 30, you’ve probably guessed...the Swiss Champ XAVT.
This is the largest 91mm SAK in the current range, adding 4 layers to the already large XLT, and comfortably doubling the width of the Swiss Champ. It’s like you glued two Swiss Champs together!
Surely this is too large to use and carry? But people do. It has an oversized leather case for belt carry, and while you need to stretch to get your hand around it, the tools are usable. It’s just a little cumbersome and heavy in the hand. Victorinox market the XAVT as geared for collectors, and I guess they’re right.
So what’s added to make up the extra layers? As most people are familiar with the Swiss Champ, I’ll discuss what’s extra compared to this model.
First there’s the digital scale with LCD display. Then paired to the inline Phillips is a universal wrench, the design borrowed from Wenger. It has two bit drivers, with an extra 4 bits not found on the CyberTools. The LED is the new transparent housing version with a much brighter and usable LED. Then there’s the very nice large serrated blade. This is from ‘new old stock’ as it has the older crossbow logo on the tang. Paired to this blade is an inline awl, like those found on the Alox Pioneers. (This is my favourite layer on the XAVT).
There’s the short pruner, electrician’s blade and pharmaceutical spatula as found on the XLT. And just for good measure, there’s a combo tool and a watch case opener.
The back has two hooks, one with the nail file, and two 2.5mm drivers. Along with what you’d expect, such as corkscrew (plus mini screwdriver), awl and chisel. The bottom scale houses the tweezers, toothpick, pen and pin...the same scales as found on the Traveler and other digital SAKs.
The total count of functions varies depending on where you look, between 80 and 83. Compare this to 33 for the Swiss Champ and 50 for the CyberTool L and you get and idea of just how impressive this monster really is.
But there’s some tool duplication, so a re-count of actual functions, with less creative license, tops out at 70. Still very impressive!
1. Toothpick
2. Tweezers
3. Pressurized Ballpoint Pen
4. Stainless Steel Pin
5. Thermometer (C/F)
6. Digital Watch (12h/24h)
7. Alarm
8. Countdown Timer
9. Stopwatch
10. Altimeter (m/ft)
11. Barometric trend graph
12. Reamer/Punch/Sewing Awl
13. Can Opener (standard & combo tool)
14. Screwdriver 3mm (on Can Opener)
15. Bottle Opener (standard & combo tool)
16. Wire Stripper (x2)
17. Screwdriver 6mm (on Bottle Opener)
18. Key Ring
19. Universal Wrench M3/M4/M5*
20. Inline Phillips Screwdriver 1/2
21. Magnifying Glass
22. Pliers
23. Wire Cutter
24. Wire Crimper
25. Fish Scaler
26. Hook Disgorger
27. Ruler (cm/inches)
28. Multipurpose Hook (x2)
29. Small Nail file (on one Multipurpose Hook)
30. Large Blade w/Serrated Edge
31. Inline Reamer/Punch*
32. Wood Saw
33. Scissors
34. Screwdriver 2.5mm (x2)
35. Pruning Blade
36. Electrician's Blade
37. Wire Scraper
38. Pharmaceutical Spatula
39. Watch Opener*
40. Screwdriver 5mm (on Combo Tool)
41. Nail File
42. Nail Cleaner
43. Metal Saw
44. Metal File
45. Chisel 4mm
46. Large Blade
47. Small Blade
48. Bit Slotted 3mm*
49. Bit Slotted 4mm*
50. Bit Torx 6*
51. Bit Torx 8*
52. Bit Hex 1,2*
53. Bit Hex 1,5*
54. Bit Hex 2*
55. Bit Hex 2,5*
56. Bit Slotted 4mm
57. Phillips Bit 2
58. Phillips Bit 0 (Pozidrive)
59. Phillips Bit 1 (Pozidrive)
60. Torx Bit 10
61. Torx Bit 15
62. Hex Bit 4
63. Torx Bit 8
64. Bit Case (x2)
65. 4mm Bitwrench (x2)
66. Female Hex drive 5mm for D-SUB Connectors (x2)
67. Female Hex Drive 4mm for Bits (x2)
68. LED
69. Mini Screwdriver
70. Corkscrew
Pros:
- The ultimate expression of a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife
- Several tools that are unique to the XAVT in the 91mm range (*)
- A fantastic reference to all the 91mm tools that are available
Cons:
- Not really intended for EDC
- Super-wide width and extra weight make some tools difficult to use
- Very expensive
Bottom line:
The XAVT is an incredible SAK. Victorinox went out of their way to include not only every current tool in the 91mm range, but to even include tools borrowed from different ranges. Some may see it as a monstrosity, but it’s really a superb technical demonstration of what’s possible from Victorinox. I love it.
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Bonus pic
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Thank you for the 30 day journey Max! I enjoyed it very much. :tu:
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Great Challenge, Max. Very enjoyable.
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Well done! Very informative, well written and entertaining.
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Well you ended it with the best SAK. The biggest and the baddest one. Thank you for making it an enjoyable 30 days! :2tu: :hatsoff:
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Damm you Max Stone :)
I know I will never compete knowledge-wise with many of our members here on the older models :(
But I really thought I knew the current range pretty well :dunno:
But once again you have come up with some info I did not know - This time it was the tang stamp on the serrated blade :pok: ..... fascinating :hatsoff:
And of course - as always - all the info is presented in a wonderfully informative, engaging, enthusiastic and easily digestible way :tu:
One other point worth mentioning - In the original version of the XAVT the Wenger wrench was replaced by an old style (grey surround) mag glass
Wonderful thread - Thanks mate - We've all loved it as it was happening - I also hope lots of people visit it via the stickkie in the months and years to come
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:iagree: with folks above: Awesome and informative read. Thanks for putting so much work into this! :like:
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Damm you Max Stone :)
I know I will never compete knowledge wise-with many of our members here on the older models :(
But I really thought I knew the current range pretty well :dunno:
But once again you have come up with some info I did not know - This time it was the tang stamp on the serrated blade :pok: ..... fascinating :hatsoff:
And of course - as always - all the info is presented in a wonderfully informative, engaging, enthusiastic and easily digestible way :tu:
One other point worth mentioning - In the original version of the XAVT the Wenger wrench was replaced by an old style (grey surround) mag glass
Wonderful thread - Thanks mate - We've all loved it as it was happening - I also hope lots of people visit it via the stickkie in the months and years to come
Indeed, this is a great challenge and many thanks to Max for such detail write up each day, I know I am going to miss the daily reading when this is over. :hatsoff:
But being optimistic, may I suggest the possible future write up for 58mm, 84mm, 93mm and 111mm... :pok: :pok: :pok: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Great finish to your 30 day journey Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
This thread will provide a great reference source for the members of the forum! :cheers:
Well done sir! :hatsoff:
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Well done sir! :hatsoff:
:iagree: :like:
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A great thread - sticky-worthy, I think. It was a pleasure to read, Max.
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A great thread - sticky-worthy, I think. It was a pleasure to read, Max.
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^^^ From page 7 :pok:
Added this thread to the SAK Identifiers stickie:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,75774.msg1630522.html#msg1630522
- Thanks Max (..... again!)
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^^^ From page 7 :pok:
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This has been a great information packed journey to follow.
Many thanks for taking the time Max :hatsoff:
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Great thread, Max, I thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt a lot. Thanks again! Time to celebrate! :cheers:
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Thank you Rizio, Greg, VICMAN, Huntsman, Intorikata, comis, Sir Vic, Ron, Rapidray, Sos, Scubadawg1, FolderBeholder. :hatsoff:
I have had fun doing this challenge! I’ve really enjoyed all the feedback and support. It’s been a great journey... still missing my Expedition Lite, so they’ll be a bonus day sometime next week and then a family photo of them all...
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^^^ From page 7 :pok:
When you get to the age where the magnifier becomes a daily-use tool, you forget things...I mean come ON - five pages might as well be a hundred years ago! :dunno:
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Please write a bit bigger - I don't have my glasses on .......
Got glasses now .....
Aha ..... That's better ....... Did I make a post on page 7 ? ........ I don't remember ......
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:hatsoff: this was a most enjoyable 30 days of amazing SAKs. No wonder why we are all so much fans of these terrific knives. Max this was such a well written and photographed thread. I want to thank you for doing this and taking the time to put together something that will be referenced for a very long time.
:hatsoff: again.
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Thank you Aloha, it’s a small contribution among the many excellent threads and posts that make MTo such a great place to learn and share experiences. :hatsoff:
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Great work mate! One of the best guides I have seen
[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
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Thank you kottskrapa :hatsoff:
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Wow! Thanks Max :tu:
Had a bit of time on my hands and read the whole thread in one sitting, learnt so much.
Great stuff..... :cheers:
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Wow, thanks Jaypeebee :hatsoff:
Been thinking of PDFing the posts into one reference doc as someone suggested earlier in the challenge. :cheers:
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PDF - Hmmmm - Good idea - If you did that we could put it at the bottom of the Wiki 91mm page after your family trees
What do you think folks?
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PDF - Hmmmm - Good idea - If you did that we could put it at the bottom of the Wiki 91mm page after your family trees
What do you think folks?
Great idea! I would refer to it often.
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I think that would be great!
[It's not failure if you learn something from it]
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:iagree:.
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I like the idea of pdf on wiki
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PDF - Hmmmm - Good idea - If you did that we could put it at the bottom of the Wiki 91mm page after your family trees
What do you think folks?
That's a brilliant idea!
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:iagree: great idea!
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So I collect my Expedition Lite tomorrow! :woohoo:
This is the final standard 91mm model in Vic’s current range that I was missing, so I can at last complete the ‘bonus’ day of my challenge, put up my top 5 poll and publish a PDF of the journey.
I’ll try to get the mini review of the Expedition Lite out over the weekend, between custom builds and a few domestic chores around the house. :whistle:
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Wow, thanks Jaypeebee :hatsoff:
Been thinking of PDFing the posts into one reference doc as someone suggested earlier in the challenge. :cheers:
Great idea Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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So I collect my Expedition Lite tomorrow! :woohoo:
I’ll try to get the mini review of the Expedition Lite out over the weekend, between custom builds and a few domestic chores around the house. :whistle:
I will be looking forward to your mini review of the Expedition Lite Max! :popcorn: :popcorn:
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It's been an interesting challenge. Don't feel you have to cut it off at 30 days.
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Thanks everyone!
Bonus Day
Sometimes a manufacturer’s product positioning is difficult to understand. Here’s a case in point...
For many, the ideal SAK is a Swiss Champ without the Fish Scaler and Pliers. With 6 layers, this would be a little more easy to carry, yet still address 95% of what a typical Swiss Champ user needs.
The Handyman is almost there, but the excellent inline Phillips is missing, and it still has the Pliers that are not a particularly popular tool.
So how about the Expedition Lite? “...the what?” I’m sure many of you will ask?
The Expedition Lite is probably the least-known SAK in Vic’s current 91mm lineup. To the point where I had to get one ordered from the factory to finish off this challenge as a Bonus Day.
So imaging a 6-layer Swiss Champ without the Fish Scaler and Pliers, and you (almost) have the Expedition Lite...rejoice! (cue choir...)
I said almost, because the magnifier is replaced with the excellent new clear LED (that is now bright enough to be usable). I could live with this change, but Victorinox decided to pull out all the stops on this model, as they added the digital scale (LCD with time, altitude, barometric trend, temperature, alarm, countdown timer and stopwatch), and bundled the SAK in a leather pouch together with a compass and sharpening stone.
Now you know why it’s called the Expedition Lite.
Of course, what could have sold at a price around that of a Handyman, moved to a collector’s level of an XLT.
So was this a missed opportunity for Victorinox, is there method in their madness? I’m really not sure. The Expedition Lite is basically a Ranger with inline Phillips and an LED, so it would have the potential to be very popular.
However, it does seem that they wanted to create a unique package with this offering, and there’s no denying it would be an excellent companion for an expedition into the great unknown. I just wonder if Victorinox missed a trick by not releasing it as a stand-alone SAK without the digital scale?
Pros:
- Very good tool load in 6 layers
- Much brighter LED (new clear housing)
- Bundled with nice accessories
Cons:
- Only available as a bundled offering
- Electronic, so does not like swimming
- Pricing in collector’s territory
Bottom Line:
I can’t help think that Victorinox made a mistake with this product. The more I look at this SAK, the more I love this tool load. If it wasn’t $200 I’d probably whip off the digital scales and use it for EDC. I may just carry it as is and enjoy it. I guess this is the ‘sleeper’ of the range...a great SAK to finish the range as a bonus day!
(Last pic compared to a Swiss Champ for size)
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Very nice write up and excellent bonus for us! :tu: :cheers:
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Nice pics and review Max! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Great review Max :like: :tu:
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Thank you Wim, Rapidray, VICMAN. :hatsoff:
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Well worth the wait :hatsoff:.
Ranger with inline phillips sounds amazing. This SAK like many almost hit the mark dead on but....... it doesn't. Great SAK for the collection and overall regardless of what I say.
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Interesting fact; when Vic pair the inline Phillips with the LED, the Phillips is on the key ring side. When they pair it with the magnifier, it’s on the opposite side. So there’s nothing stopping you having an inline tool both ends...like an awl + Phillips. :dunno:
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Sometimes a manufacturer’s product positioning is difficult to understand. Here’s a case in point...
For many, the ideal SAK is a Swiss Champ without the Fish Scaler and Pliers. With 6 layers, this would be a little more easy to carry, yet still address 95% of what a typical Swiss Champ user needs.
The Handyman is almost there, but the excellent inline Phillips is missing, and it still has the Pliers that are not a particularly popular tool.
So how about the Expedition Lite? “...the what?” I’m sure many of you will ask?
The Expedition Lite is probably the least-known SAK in Vic’s current 91mm lineup. To the point where I had to get one ordered from the factory to finish off this challenge as a Bonus Day.
So imaging a 6-layer Swiss Champ without the Fish Scaler and Pliers, and you (almost) have the Expedition Lite...rejoice! (cue choir...)
Another ‘almost, but not quite’ answer to this conundrum would be the Swiss Champion, of course - the Champ but minus pliers. So you still have the dreaded Fish Scaler, but honestly it's a pretty thin layer! Of course it's not current, so strictly outside the scope of the thread. But not hard to find, and worth considering.
I have one and I dig it.
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Nice one Max
And once again you have managed to come up with new facts for me - That this model is only available via the Kit!
Although I note that the Wiki has a product code for the Expedition model without the Kit.
Note to self: Wiki page needs updating with more info on the kit!!
Also interesting and very good thought to release it without the Traveller scales !
I was fascinated by this and ....... not that I don't believe you, :pok: :D - I had to do a little of my own research
Sure enough this model in the catalogue and website is only available via the Kit
And this led me to discover three/four errors in the Vic documentation !!
1. If you search for 'expedition' on the website it does not find the model - Although if you search for 'expedit' It does find it - as does predictive text .... Weird - Anyone else get this?
2. The website describes this model as the "Traveller plus the pouch and accessories" - Wrong - It's got extra tools in the SAK itself ..... (it's not not even the Traveller Lite plus accessories)
3. I also checked my catalogue (which I down loaded from the website) - And right enough - Only available via the Kit - But who can spot the (repeated) error on this page ? ??? :D see image below - Hint - Don't go checking bar codes or worry if the text is too blurry - Only prize is the satisfaction of spotting the error ;)
4. So I went to check the catalogue on the website and the error is not there - But strangely the catalogue (which had been the 2017 version) is now the 2015 version - And does not have the error!
- I thought having the 2017 version on the website in 2018 was a little outdated - But the 2015 version in 2019 - .... Hello? ??? :pok:
Sorry - All very sad and OCD - I know :rofl:
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PS. One more thought ......
This model should really be called the Traveller Kit or the Traveller Expedition (Kit)
Although not if they take up Max's suggestion !
What do you think?
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There kits are very nice! I have the SwissChamp SOS kit and its great! :tu:
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Great bonus day info.
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Nice bonus review! Also like the comparison shot with the '86/'87 Champ...Also one of my faves (for the thin 2.5mm pliers)
Almost the perfect knife for me...if only it had the pliers!!
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Nice one Max
And once again you have managed to come up with new facts for me - That this model is only available via the Kit!
Although I note that the Wiki has a product code for the Expedition model without the Kit.
Note to self: Wiki page needs updating with more info on the kit!!
Also interesting and very good thought to release it without the Traveller scales !
I was fascinated by this and ....... not that I don't believe you, :pok: :D - I had to do a little of my own research
Sure enough this model in the catalogue and website is only available via the Kit
And this led me to discover three/four errors in the Vic documentation !!
1. If you search for 'expedition' on the website it does not find the model - Although if you search for 'expedit' It does find it - as does predictive text .... Weird - Anyone else get this?
2. The website describes this model as the "Traveller plus the pouch and accessories" - Wrong - It's got extra tools in the SAK itself ..... (it's not not even the Traveller Lite plus accessories)
3. I also checked my catalogue (which I down loaded from the website) - And right enough - Only available via the Kit - But who can spot the (repeated) error on this page ? ??? :D see image below - Hint - Don't go checking bar codes or worry if the text is too blurry - Only prize is the satisfaction of spotting the error ;)
4. So I went to check the catalogue on the website and the error is not there - But strangely the catalogue (which had been the 2017 version) is now the 2015 version - And does not have the error!
- I thought having the 2017 version on the website in 2018 was a little outdated - But the 2015 version in 2019 - .... Hello? ??? :pok:
Sorry - All very sad and OCD - I know :rofl:
Yeah, saw the web site error too!
And the bit driver bits shown with the Traveler pictures in the catalog - is that a silly mistake or what? :facepalm:
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You got it mate !!
No prizes for guessing which model is on the pervious page!!
But yes - What a mistake - >:D - Although I never spotted it till now!!
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Bottom Line:
I can’t help think that Victorinox made a mistake with this product. The more I look at this SAK, the more I love this tool load. If it wasn’t $200 I’d probably whip off the digital scales and use it for EDC. I may just carry it as is and enjoy it. I guess this is the ‘sleeper’ of the range...a great SAK to finish the range as a bonus day!
I agree with you 100%. I absolutely love this knife. I originally bought one for my collection on a trip to Italy back in 2012, since they were almost impossible to get in the US at the time (at least for a reasonable price). It became my EDC on that trip and was so good that when I got home, I stuck that knife in my collection and immediately began scanning eBay for a good price on a user. Ended up getting one for $40 and that knife is my absolute go-to for any camping/hiking trips.
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Great story jazzbass :like:
And you got a steal for $40. How do you find the LCD holding up after years of service? It seems to have a thick window to protect it, and it is a little recessed. :think:
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Max... thanks again for a great series of reviews and congratulations on your badge. I look forward to any new write-ups you do. Maybe a 60 day challenge (or 90)... maybe a book? :salute:
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Thank you jph_777 :hatsoff:
I’m looking at compiling the mini reviews in a single PDF as a reference. :salute:
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PS. One more thought ......
The Expedition Kit should really be called the Traveller Kit or the Traveller Expedition (Kit)
Although not if they take up Max's suggestion !
What do you think?
Just realised that this would not work - As Vic already have a 'Traveller Set' - Which is actually a Huntsman Plus :think: with the pouch and compass
:pok: ........ Confusing Victorinox !!! :twak:
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Yes, makes it all very confusing! :facepalm:
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Added a poll on my top 3. I will add some comments on my choices later. :cheers:
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Hey Knights
Max has very kindly done one extra bit of work for us, as promised, and converted the daily posts into a PDF document. :woohoo:
This now has its rightful place in the (LINK:) 91mm Wiki page (https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mm) (bottom of first section) for all to enjoy and learn.
Note - It's a PDF so downloads from the Wiki - As opposed to being directly viewable - I will try and work out if it is directly viewable
Thank again Max for this most excellent thread and a fabulous artifact to add to the Wiki :tu: :salute: :hatsoff:
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Congratulations :tu: :cheers:
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What a tremendous resource and wonderful addition. :hatsoff: Max
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Thank you Aloha, Rapidray and Huntsman. :hatsoff:
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Max, I had been following this thread like many others and just downloaded the pdf, but seriously, this material could literally be expanded and turn into a book. Ever think about publishing one?
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Added a poll on my top 3. I will add some comments on my choices later. :cheers:
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Voted :popcorn:
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Max, I had been following this thread like many others and just downloaded the pdf, but seriously, this material could literally be expanded and turn into a book. Ever think about publishing one?
Thanks comis. Yes, with a bit of editing, it could be. Maybe a project for later this year. :cheers:
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Thanks comis. Yes, with a bit of editing, it could be. Maybe a project for later this year. :cheers:
That’s exciting, looking forward to that! I would love to read even more thoughts of yours on selective products from different lineup(such as 130, 111, 84, 74, 58 or discontinued), with all those material, I’m fairly sure it’s gonna be a great read!
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Just had a scan of this GREAT THREAD. So well done and well written :hatsoff:
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Thank you Aloha. :hatsoff:
I really enjoyed this challenge and it gave me a good appreciation of Victorinox and their 91mm range.
I did a pdf version that got added to the SAKWIKI 91mm page.
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It's a brilliant topic, Sir Max Stone! :like: (Shame on me, I missed it. :twak: )
Thank you very much for your stories and the PDF for the SAKWiki! It's a great job! :hatsoff:
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Thank you Sir Nick :hatsoff:
There’s so much great info on MTo, it’s just a small contribution, shared among those with similar interests. :salute:
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what an amazing,informative thread.
thank you Max :tu:
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Thank you Humayd, I enjoyed the month reviewing each model. :hatsoff:
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Just been sitting at home recovering from a cold and read this from start to finish. Hats off to you for the dedication to carry out such a task, and to do it so well and thoroughly, without it being a dry toned affair.
As many others have said, thank you for your efforts and please let us know if you go down this road with other ranges :hatsoff:
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Thank you Storm :hatsoff:
It was a great journey and I learnt a lot as I worked through the range. In the end, what I realized is simpler is better. And size has the final say in what finds its way into my pocket every day. :salute:
The other Vic ranges have less appeal to me, so I don't think I'll make the same journey. I do like the Alox models, although that's a rabbit hole all on its own. Some of the 111 and 130mm models are also great, but they get a little too specialized for my needs. :cheers:
The journey was also a wonderful way to feel part of this great community here at MTo. And in the end, this was what mattered the most to me. :tu:
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:like: :iagree: Still one of my favourite things to come out of this forum :tu:
And a great addition to the Wiki.
Also we don't seem to see much movement from Vic in their SAKs these days - especially the medium to smaller ones - So I think the doc will stay current for a long time!
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:hatsoff: thank you Huntsman.
I agree. Vic seem content with their range and adding some limited editions here and there. I suspect the growth area is in their kitchen knives and related cutlery. No real innovation with their SAKs or SwissTools for some time now.