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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: Kampfer on April 09, 2018, 10:21:12 PM
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I had the pleasure to meet the design team and inspect this tool in person at SHOT show 2018. The tool seen well designed and well made. Of course this is just my initial impression, keep tuned for more info.
https://www.combarpr.com/
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that's a really i interesting tool. the number of moving parts for a striking and digging tool worry me but at the right price definitely worth a try.
good find mate
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seems cool on first sight :salute: thanks for posting
OT, but I really like your new Avatar pic :like: :like: :tu:
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Look interesting. But... How sturdy can a folding axe be?
I sure hope the answer is very, as I like the concept... :like:
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Cool, but I can imagine a $250 price tag on it!
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Cool, but I can imagine a $250 price tag on it!
How about two to three times as much? See: https://newatlas.com/combar-hatchet-shovel-multitool/54112/
That's a lot of money! :ahhh
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Wow! not for me....
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That's the problem with all these tactical axe/shovel/prybar/hammer multi-tools. They cost way too much.
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That's the problem with all these tactical axe/shovel/prybar/hammer multi-tools. They cost way too much.
Yeah, way too expensive... I'll stick to my Skrama & German E-tool, thank you very much! :pok:
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I think at the price they are asking--it's never gonna happen. A top end pro-grade Stihl chainsaw is around the same price. I think $100 would be a reasonable price.
And "stainless steel". Just saying that doesn't mean it's a "premium" There are high-end performance stainless steels, and low-costs ones that aren't really suited for use in edged tools.
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I think the price is high as well.
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I've really been looking forward to this one, ever since my initial contact with the company. I am hoping that it turns out to be as good as they say, and, having come from members of the IDF I am expecting good things from it. Those guys are not slouches, as they are almost constantly in combat. I doubt very much that they would have any patience for any gimmicky stuff that doesn't actually work.
That having been said, I have a few concerns about the tool that I would very much like to test at some point:
1: Thickness of the axe head- it looks like it might be ok for initial cuts, but not much good for prolonged or deep cutting, which might be why the video only shows the guy lopping branches. I feel like the axe head would create too much drag for deep, penetrating cuts.
2: The hollow handle- I am not now, nor have I ever been a fan of hollow handles on hard use tools. They tend to be hard on the hands and light on impact, and that's if they don't break first.
3: Moving parts, in my mind at least, have proven to be nothing more than weak points and grit magnets. The more precise they are, the more they are affected by crap being built up, and the more tolerance they have for grit and other crap, the more they suffer from differential force points.
They say in the video that they have tested for these problems and the tool continued to work, so I would be looking forward to trying all of that and seeing what happens.
Def
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This is my go to tool for last 10 years, let see if Combar can beat it.
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76835.0;attach=367737;image)
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when a new tool reaches these prices you tend to hesitate to use it and grab the old, rusted and worn "beaters" instead that you've used for years :P
particularly true of tools you beat, hit, chop and smash with :ahhh
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Titanium seems like a questionable choice in material for a striking tool as well.
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If you're never going to use it because a) it cost $500 and 2) you're a mall ninja, who cares if titanium is a bad choice of material? Looks good on the 'gram, man.
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So far the only thing I can tell you it is the Combar looks good.
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So far the only thing I can tell you it is the Combar looks good.
As the only one of us who has seen it in person I would take your word for it.
Def
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(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76835.0;attach=368005;image)
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=76835.0;attach=368007;image)
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Nice shirt!
How did the Combar feel on your belt? Did it seem like it was going to get in the way of your legs when walking/running, or did it feel like it might fall off?
Def
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Nice shirt!
How did the Combar feel on your belt? Did it seem like it was going to get in the way of your legs when walking/running, or did it feel like it might fall off?
Def
Just like any other objects in that size & weight being hang from belt, there will be some limitation / discomfort, but in return you gain some tool capability. Would it be worth it? That is up to each user to decide.
All in all Combar isn't too bad in that department, I had carried much worst in the field.
My German shovel is heavier and longer, but knowing what it can do for me, I don't mind it at all.
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Lowest reward tier on the Kickstarter, $359, doesn't come with the sheath.
Just a nice cherry on the smurf sundae that is this entire project. :td:
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Still, the design is nice, and they tested it and reached the design they wanted.
I'd love to see some reviews on the thing. Sure, I won't be buying it, but still, I want to see it in action.
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This tool is pretty cool. Too rich for my wallet but certainly looks like they put a lot of thought into it. :tu:
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My inner "Mall Ninja" wants me to get one...
Like the design, I really like everything about it. As for the price, well considering on how much I spent on knives/MTs/Flashlights etc that I hardly ever use its not that much and its kinda unique. I mean spending 10x 100$ or 1x 1000$, does not matter both has the same total. Also, you can get a folding knife similar to a Chris Reeves that costs a fraction of it, here no alternatives exist (other than buying a folding shovel, an axe, a saw etc...).
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An image from a few years ago showing work on the first prototype. Aclim8 love this picture because the craftsman is completely ignoring the safety sign in the back and not using protection glasses or gloves. In fact it looks like he used his gloves in the vice so as not to damage the handle.
(https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/31900466_602399786802632_8489744764604776448_n.png?_nc_cat=0&oh=aa49773eb54d21f07075c9085dd73126&oe=5B8B8BA0)
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Great photo!
Def
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Still, the design is nice, and they tested it and reached the design they wanted.
I'd love to see some reviews on the thing. Sure, I won't be buying it, but still, I want to see it in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vFMjeKvTQ0
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Nawww...but I would like to have that Zippo axe -n- saw :like: :cheers:
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Anybody know why this thing is SO expensive? I assume handle is GFN. So, maybe premium metal runs the price up? I really like the look of this tool being a different take on the traditional trenching-multitool usually issued to military types. But for $400 for the basic tool and adding $200 for the knife and saw is ridiculous in my mind.
It would be cool to see Gerber or Leatherman try their hand at a trenching multitool.
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Anybody know why this thing is SO expensive? I assume handle is GFN. So, maybe premium metal runs the price up? I really like the look of this tool being a different take on the traditional trenching-multitool usually issued to military types. But for $400 for the basic tool and adding $200 for the knife and saw is ridiculous in my mind.
It would be cool to see Gerber or Leatherman try their hand at a trenching multitool.
Several reasons, if they asked $300 people would still complain that it is too expensive, so why even bother. A high price makes it even more desirable, as not everybody can have one. And of course the there are people willing to pay $150 for a pocket clip (https://www.knifecenter.com/item/CAMFCLP1/chaves-american-made-custom-flashlight-pocket-clip-flamed), meaning there are plenty willing to pay $600 for this.
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Prestige pricing.
I am ok with that, but I will never buy one. It looks great, I especially like the saw, I can see the utility, it looks well made, and it is cool. But there are other priorities that make me buy stuff. For that amount of money you can buy a comprehensive set of tools, for survival, bushcraft, camping, farm work, military service, whatever you need. The features that this has can be replicated with quality dedicated tools, for a fraction of the price, and they will also outperform each of those features by far, they will last longer, and require less maintenance. I have little confidence in such a large complex tool with so many moving parts, springs, gears, pivots, latches. Sure, this provides much more utility than just a dedicated combat tomahawk, but the price is too much to swallow.
The hollow handle is nice, with the container, or knife and saw.
The only review of this on youtube is the one I posted above. I am guessing it has not sold well. Why would it? It was not priced with huge sales in mind, and if it was, they missed the mark.
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Anybody know why this thing is SO expensive? I assume handle is GFN. So, maybe premium metal runs the price up? I really like the look of this tool being a different take on the traditional trenching-multitool usually issued to military types. But for $400 for the basic tool and adding $200 for the knife and saw is ridiculous in my mind.
It would be cool to see Gerber or Leatherman try their hand at a trenching multitool.
Gerber/Fiskars recently got the contract to produce the E-Tool for the Army, but it isn't exactly a "multitool".
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Eh, not exactly. At any rate, I guess Gerber or LM would be inclined to think that the juice isn't worth the squeeze? A folding spade like this paired with an MP600 or Signal would cover 80% of the capability, plus some things that the Combar does not cover (screwing :facepalm:).
I suppose I just want to see more quality multitool variety. Plier-based multitools are pretty well covered to the point that some companies are taking steps backward in search of sales (ie SOG sacrificing their good tools for current line-up). Vice grip multitools are out there but nobody has really advanced it past the high standard set by the Crunch. But axes, crescent wrenches, hammers, spades, ratchets, etc... All we really have are those cheapos with a hammer/hatchet-head incorporated into the plier head or the same folding trenching tool that's been around forever.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7h_62POLEQ
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Darn. I'm curious to see some more reviews on this thing, but I'm also not going to give Wranglerstar any clicks :dunno: