Post by: Myoman on July 12, 2019, 09:25:18 PM
Well, this is for those fans of the two knives. Give your argument why either the Super Tinker or Explorer is the superior EDC. Please no other recommendations like the Swisschamp Huntsman, Farmer, Cadet, Yeoman, etc. Let's stick to those two knives, since after pouring over the urban EDC threads on here, those two seem the most recommended.
FIGHT!
Post by: Nix on July 12, 2019, 09:29:14 PM
A fatter carry? Yes. But with some real advantages, let's spell that Phatter! Explorer gets my vote for Urban EDC (and regularly goes in my pocket :)).
Post by: Buzzbait on July 12, 2019, 09:44:35 PM
Also, with my lack of eyesight, the eyeglass screwdriver has become extremely helpful, which you can't fit on a Super Tinker. It's very easy to use the tiny screwdriver in combination with the magnifier, to tighten the bows on my glasses.
And once you get the magnifier layer, the inline Phillips becomes yours as well, which I firmly believe to be approximately 623% more useful and easy to use than a backside Phillips.
Post by: Buzzbait on July 12, 2019, 09:47:56 PM
A fatter carry? Yes. But with some real advantages, let's spell that Phatter!
Thicc knives save lives.
Post by: Myoman on July 12, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
Post by: Nix on July 12, 2019, 10:18:10 PM
Thicc knives save lives.
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Post by: Nix on July 12, 2019, 10:20:45 PM
I think the argument for the super tinker is that the can opener is a very effective philips driver, therefore making the inline philips slightly redundant. For tightening, breaking, and recessed screws, you can start/finish with the back philips driver.
I think you are right. For me and my needs, it's the magnifying glass that makes the difference. The in-line Philips is just a bonus. A bonus that allows space for the corkscrew tool........ :)
Post by: Sos24 on July 12, 2019, 10:43:15 PM
These are both great knives and the toolset is great on both. What it comes down to is how much do you value the magnifier. I enjoy the magnifier. Also, I’ve had instances where the can opener tip just wouldn’t hold and there really wasn’t enough space to use the backside phillips, hence I prefer the inline phillips.
The biggest thing the Super Tinker has going for it is being the slightly thinner 3-layer. This is why I instantly fell in love with the Yeoman when I got one used.
Post by: Borg on July 12, 2019, 10:44:59 PM
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Post by: Sawl Goodman on July 13, 2019, 12:52:24 AM
For me, the extra utility of the Explorer over the Super Tinker more than makes up for the added bulk, weight, and cost. You gain the multifunction corkscrew, the magnifier, and a much sturdier Phillips that's more convenient and comfortable to use. It handles nicely, too. Overall, a much better choice as an only carry, in my opinion.
Post by: temo on July 13, 2019, 12:55:45 AM
Post by: jaya_man on July 13, 2019, 01:43:02 AM
Over time, the Explorer became bulky in the pockets as I carry more stuff... It’s what convinced me that 3 layer is the max I can pocket carry... That’s when a Yeoman took over... as it still retains the two tools my SAK must have... Inline phillips and scissors...
Post by: smiller43147 on July 13, 2019, 02:44:12 AM
Post by: cody6268 on July 13, 2019, 02:47:03 AM
Post by: comis on July 13, 2019, 08:53:28 AM
Backspring phillips + 1 layer slimmer(Super Tinker) vs Inline phillips + mag glass + cockscrew + small eyeglass screwdriver(Explorer)
On average, every layer of tools in 91mm is approximately 20g(0.7 oz). With that many tool implements to gain, I think most would naturally gravitate towards Explorer, especially when a 4 layers SAK is decent to carry(only around 100g/3.5oz).
This is a little off topic, I have very recently just made a Mountaineer mod with both backspring phillips and corkscrew, if you are interested, please keep an eye out for the future writeup in mod squad.
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Post by: SirVicaLot on July 17, 2019, 04:45:58 AM
Also I am not a fan of the backside Phillips :dunno:
Post by: comis on July 17, 2019, 07:41:50 AM
For EDC 4-layers breaks the thickness aspect ratio (it’s thicker than its width), so will always be more noticeable in the pocket. If I had to live 24/7 with one of these, it would be the Super Tinker. Sure, it has less features and some compromises, but #1 priority for EDC is pocket-ability. It still has enough of what you really need...
I think the question lies in what kind of 4 layers we are talking about, Explorer 4 layers will be ever so lightly wider than the Mountaineer 4 layers. Personally, I think the Explorer 4 layers is my soft cap for my urban EDC carry, it's almost like a narrow square 'block' which fits nicely into a hand.
Post by: MacGyver on September 17, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
For EDC 4-layers breaks the thickness aspect ratio (it’s thicker than its width), so will always be more noticeable in the pocket. If I had to live 24/7 with one of these, it would be the Super Tinker. Sure, it has less features and some compromises, but #1 priority for EDC is pocket-ability. It still has enough of what you really need...
Completely agree :iagree:
For standard (urban) work day EDC my limit is 3 layers 99% of the time. The 3 layer width and weight is as far as i will go.
I have the Explorer, and i like it. It's a very good SAK, i EDC'd it when i bought it for a couple of months, and got fed up with the bulk and weight. Having the inline phillips and mag glass dosen't compensate at all. Either the can opener or my moded bits are more than good enough for "incidental screwdriving", which is what i would use a sak for.
I would take the Super Tinker (or Climber) over the Explorer any time. For comfort, both in pocket and in hand The Super Tinker even beats the Climber. I've filed off the ring tab on one of mine and it's very smooth. However i still like the looks of the CS more, and it adds the micro SD that i use a fair amount of times.
I've been carrying a Climber for almost a year (urban work days), and actually changed to the Compact in the last 4 months or so, as it can do a lot of what the Climber can, and it has only 2 layers. It's a bit of a compromise but it's worth it.
For weekends/off work days/other environments it can vary buy 4 layers (maybe 5 for the Ranger) is my top limit for a SAK, regardless of the tools
Post by: VICMAN on September 17, 2019, 09:37:08 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 17, 2019, 09:43:15 PM
Completely agree :iagree:
For standard (urban) work day EDC my limit is 3 layers 99% of the time. The 3 layer width and weight is as far as i will go.
I have the Explorer, and i like it. It's a very good SAK, i EDC'd it when i bought it for a couple of months, and got fed up with the bulk and weight. Having the inline phillips and mag glass dosen't compensate at all. Either the can opener or my moded bits are more than good enough for "incidental screwdriving", which is what i would use a sak for.
Ordinarily I would agree, and I didn't really gel with the Explorer for a daily carry knife. There's many a reason that the Wenger Traveler works so well for me, and the thickness is one of them.
That said, since I got my Deluxe Tinker recently (I had one years ago, but traded it away), I've hardly carried anything else. Occasionally I've picked up a traditional slippie instead, but the Deluxe Tinker seems a really good fit for me at the minute. I don't seem to have issues with the bulk either, although that might be because the pliers have been "enough", and so I haven't been carrying a pliers tool alongside.
Post by: Simon_Templar on September 18, 2019, 12:49:12 AM
In everyday (urban) life, scissors are the most relevant addition to the basic SAK toolset. Being 5 mm thinner and almost 20 g lighter, a Super Tinker will go unnoticed in many pockets where an Explorer will not. Consequently, the Super Tinker is less socially awkward while being equally competent in the vast majority of cases, and thus the better EDC (only rivaled by the Compact and the PX).
Post by: Rapidray on September 18, 2019, 01:41:28 AM
Post by: strmliner on September 18, 2019, 06:54:18 AM
Pocketability and scissors drive my uban EDC preference. And at three layers, my SuperTinker stays home more than it goes out. My Explorer only goes out in a backpack/duffle. The refurbed/updated 2 layer Golfer goes out every day (and no stinkin' hooks).
Post by: zenderfall on September 18, 2019, 07:30:54 AM
Like most everyone says, the backside is a very poor location for that tool. Also, the three layers may be thinner in the pocket and easier to carry, but it feels just too light for me. Keep in mind it's not just the three layers, it's also taking into account the *thin-ness* of those layers as well. Super Tinker has three really thin layers (unlike Cybertool with ONE BIG FAT LAYER), and to me that makes it feel too thin, and not a good grip in the hands. The Explorer has four layers, yes, but magnifying glass is made of plastic, coupled with a short little stubby driver, does not add much weight, but a LOT more utility. The thickness and weight of the Explorer seems to be just right. I agree corkscrew might not be a big use, but that tiny screwdriver comes in handy a lot, for eyeglasses and certain brand watch bracelets.
I thought the Deluxe Tinker would be a benefit, but the thick pliers layer made it feel overbalanced. Couple that, with the backside screwdriver and it was two steps back IMO.
Post by: Kraken on September 18, 2019, 02:54:31 PM
I own both of these, and I also have a Deluxe Tinker as well....
Like most everyone says, the backside is a very poor location for that tool. Also, the three layers may be thinner in the pocket and easier to carry, but it feels just too light for me. Keep in mind it's not just the three layers, it's also taking into account the *thin-ness* of those layers as well. Super Tinker has three really thin layers (unlike Cybertool with ONE BIG FAT LAYER), and to me that makes it feel too thin, and not a good grip in the hands. The Explorer has four layers, yes, but magnifying glass is made of plastic, coupled with a short little stubby driver, does not add much weight, but a LOT more utility. The thickness and weight of the Explorer seems to be just right. I agree corkscrew might not be a big use, but that tiny screwdriver comes in handy a lot, for eyeglasses and certain brand watch bracelets.
I thought the Deluxe Tinker would be a benefit, but the thick pliers layer made it feel overbalanced. Couple that, with the backside screwdriver and it was two steps back IMO.
+1 :iagree:
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