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Tool Talk => Reviews => Topic started by: Kampfer on November 09, 2015, 08:01:10 PM
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Weight & size:
S2: 4.6oz ; 3.5 x 1.125 x 0.5 inch ; 12 tools ; MSRP $68.85
P³ : 5.2oz ; 4.0 x 1.025 x 0.5 inch ; 12 tools ; MSRP $72.50
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249676;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249678;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249680;image)
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Kinfe:
S2: 420HC ; 2.0 inch ; slip joint ; outside accessible
P³ : 420 ; 2.5 inch ; slip joint
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249682;image)
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Pliers:
S2: 0.1875 inch thick
P³: 0.3125 inch thick
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249684;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249686;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249688;image)
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The only thing I woulda changed is to leave the can opener in tact but otherwise it blows the Juice away! :cheers:
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Scissors:
S2: 1.00 inch
P³: 0.81 inch
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249690;image)
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Drivers:
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249692;image)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249694;image)
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Openers:
S2: Outside accessible
P³: Can opener removed
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249696;image)
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Bonus:
P³: One hand opening pliers with Compound Leverage, Awl & ruler
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249698;image)
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The only thing I woulda changed is to leave the can opener in tact but otherwise it blows the Juice away! :cheers:
I had bad experience with SOG's Can't opener, I am not sad to see it go away. :waving:
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handle splay:
S2: 37*
P³: 27*
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249711;image)
S2: 45*
P³: 45*
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=63033.0;attach=249713;image)
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Excellent comparison. Thank you. :tu:
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:assimilate:
SOG RULES
:D
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:assimilate:
SOG RULES
:D
:twak: NAVITOOL RULES :drool:
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Its a tough decision between the two. :think:
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Its a tough decision between the two. :think:
The Navitool is that good? :ahhh
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Just to clear up any static, the Navitool is a great tool. I sure am enjoying mine, which Obi1 was kind enough to gift to me.
It packs everything (including) the kitchen sink, into one belt-clippable utility and has a storage compartment big enough to pack full of survival accessories :tu:
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:assimilate:
SOG RULES
:D
:twak: NAVITOOL RULES :drool:
:megaslap: Kampfer rules!!!! :2tu:
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For your reference, The Late Boy Scout's comparison between Juice & standard PPP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tMdvTeXlDg
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Which one do you think is better tool
Better for doing what exactly? :think:
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Which one do you think is better tool
Better for doing what exactly? :think:
:imws:
If you mean "overall", I need to reserve judgement until I determine how good my CS4 fares after a period of time following the ongoing mods/tweaks I'm doing. I'm personally not happy with either tool out of the box, and both need work to get the best from them
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In stock form, id go with the Juice S2 over the PPP. The drivers are far superior to the PPPs standard drivers, it comes with scissors, and the can opener works. PPP has better pliers, an awl and a file, but the awl isnt a huge need for me, and the file isnt as good as it could be.
But Kampfers PPP is better than stock. It has scissors (that are just ok, but then so are the Juice's), and it has an uncompromised flathead (big hole in bottle opener flathead). In this matchup, I'd go with the PPP, as its pliers are so much better, and the inside tools are about as good as the Juices
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Yea, don't let Juice's large scissors fool you, they are really just so so. SOG scissors are ok but not great neither.
SOG drivers aren't as tough as Leatherman's 420HC drivers, but good enough and have longer reach.
Retention Of inside tools of PPP is weak, but easy fix with a pair of pliers.
SOG inside tools clump like crazy, after careful rearrangement that can be minimumize.
"Gear of madness" can be overcome by using the tool with handles open at 90* pliers head pointing outward.
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They are both equally good but the vote goes to S2 because of the outside opening blade and scissors which is very convenient.
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TBH,I think it's a bit unfair to compare a custom load out to stock one. A more fair comparison would have been a stock PPP to the Juice.
I've been carrying my Zed custom PPP this week,and it's worked out better than when I'd slipped my Meyro slimjim S2 into my EDC.
If your allowing pouch carry,the SOG wins,but for pocket carry I'd opt for the Juice.
But,as a last thought,I'd rather have a Vic SuperTinker and a LM Mini ;)
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TBH,I think it's a bit unfair to compare a custom load out to stock one. A more fair comparison would have been a stock PPP to the Juice.
I've been carrying my Zed custom PPP this week,and it's worked out better than when I'd slipped my Meyro slimjim S2 into my EDC.
If your allowing pouch carry,the SOG wins,but for pocket carry I'd opt for the Juice.
But,as a last thought,I'd rather have a Vic SuperTinker and a LM Mini ;)
I think it is totally fair because both are at my service, up to me which one to carry. :P
Yes, PPP isn't good for pocket carry.
Super tinker + mini is nice setup, but I rather have one MT with full set of tools and a folder.
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They are both equally good but the vote goes to S2 because of the outside opening blade and scissors which is very convenient.
It is amazing how fast you can turn PPP "inside out", then everything became outside accessible.
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They are both equally good but the vote goes to S2 because of the outside opening blade and scissors which is very convenient.
It is amazing how fast you can turn PPP "inside out", then everything became outside accessible.
Ok, I want to change my vote now. The triple P is bigger and looks better. Why compare it to a S2? Size wise it's not a match no?
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They are only half oz different in weight, half inch in length.
Belong in same class I believe.
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I choose the P3. But I'd rather have it set up like this as I dont need or want scissors on the P3. :)
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I choose the P3. But I'd rather have it set up like this as I dont need or want scissors on the P3. :)
I prefer the V-cutter over the scissors.
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Cool comparison between the two. :tu: I really love my PPP, and while the Juice is a sweet tool, it just doesn't match up.
TBH,I think it's a bit unfair to compare a custom load out to stock one. A more fair comparison would have been a stock PPP to the Juice.
I can see your point, but IMHO SOGs are meant to be customized and they offer many "stock" implements to swap into your tool. So, other than the modified can opener (which is actually removing a function) this really is a stock PPP. :)
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I've been carrying Zeds old PPP all November. So far it's performed flawlessly. The old thing I really don't get is why SOG have never upgraded to Paladin style gear covers.
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:drool:
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I've been carrying Zeds old PPP all November. So far it's performed flawlessly. The old thing I really don't get is why SOG have never upgraded to Paladin style gear covers.
Are those Vic scissors?
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They are, cut better than SOG
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They are, cut better than SOG
Did you figure out a way to keep them from overrotating out? I had my PPP setup like that, and loved the idea, but I hated using them, because they would swing out too far, and wouldnt be comfortable to use.
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They are, cut better than SOG
Did you figure out a way to keep them from overrotating out? I had my PPP setup like that, and loved the idea, but I hated using them, because they would swing out too far, and wouldnt be comfortable to use.
SOG scissors or Victorinox?
I find the SOG scissors are more comfortable to use with tool fully open.
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They are, cut better than SOG
Did you figure out a way to keep them from overrotating out? I had my PPP setup like that, and loved the idea, but I hated using them, because they would swing out too far, and wouldnt be comfortable to use.
SOG scissors or Victorinox?
I find the SOG scissors are more comfortable to use with tool fully open.
I meant the victorinox scissors. Apparently I quoted the wrong post....
What I meant to ask Kirk was if his scissors rotated 180degrees like the rest of the tools, or rotate about 210 like mine did?