Post by: gerleatherberman on July 25, 2018, 03:19:09 AM
Lets see your Kutmaster made/licensed multi tools! :multi:
My small assortment(left to right). Kutmaster Wrench-Head(China), Kutmaster Team RealTree(China), MultiMaster(U.S) by Kutmaster Needle-Nose, and MultiMaster(U.S) by Kutmaster Blunt-Nose.
Post by: Barry Rowland on July 25, 2018, 03:26:47 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 25, 2018, 03:39:11 AM
The China style tools aren't good at all, compared to the U.S. made MultiMaster.
The 1/4" bit magnetic driver in the plier handle is fairly good, but you'll have to carry a few bits in the sheath. The sheath does come with a 4-bit holder and a couple of bit.
It is very old-school, so keep that in mind if you plan to carry it. :cheers:
Edit: the handle has a bar that goes into a slot on the tools to lock them in place when they are deployed. A very ingenious and simple system for keeping the tools in place. I wouldn't pay the $60 MSRP for the MultiMaster, but you can find the needle-nose version brand new on ebay for <$30 sometimes. Well worth that. :tu:
Post by: Barry Rowland on July 25, 2018, 03:47:35 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 25, 2018, 03:50:43 AM
:salute:. Thanks GMan! They looked pretty much bullet proof.:cheers: Anytime.
That is an excellent way to put it! :)
Post by: ThePeacent on July 25, 2018, 12:35:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/poTKVeX.jpg)
I don't know about other versions of the tool, but this post of yours, GLBM:
The 1/4" bit magnetic driver in the plier handle is fairly good, but you'll have to carry a few bits in the sheath. The sheath does come with a 4-bit holder and a couple of bit.
Edit: the handle has a bar that goes into a slot on the tools to lock them in place when they are deployed.
made me think, ???
as in my tool the handle that doesn't have the wrench cutouts (that is, the handle without the tools and with the bit driver at the bottom) has also a tab in it, that opens and leaves space inside the hollow handle for storing 3 bits :think:, which is where I carry them :tu:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 25, 2018, 04:43:17 PM
That is one of the cool things about the Chinese versions. The bit storage in the handle. I see yours is branded "Skil". Very cool. The MultiMasters have solid, heavy duty handles, but the down side is there is no onboard bit storage. But, the bit slot in still in the end of the pliers handle.
TP, how are the wire cutters on the Skil version? Both of my Chinese tools, the Wrench Head and RealTree have cutters that don't really work on much. Maybe stout bailing wire, but they just bend electrical wire on mine. :ahhh
Post by: ThePeacent on July 26, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
Thank you for the reply and picture, TP, :cheers:
TP, how are the wire cutters on the Skil version? Both of my Chinese tools, the Wrench Head and RealTree have cutters that don't really work on much. Maybe stout bailing wire, but they just bend electrical wire on mine. :ahhh
they are "meh" or not even that. :P
I tried to cut a few thicker paper clips with them, resulting in bends most of the times instead of cuts,
they are bad in all truth :facepalm: at least mine :ahhh
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 03:15:11 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on July 27, 2018, 01:48:15 PM
If you get a chance, order one of the U.S. made MultiMaster tools. They make the Chinese made Kutmasters look pretty silly. Plus, it is pretty old-school. :)
that's for sure, ::)
like most MTs (SOGs, Gerbers, Schrade Tough...) the American versions do shine when compared to the overseas prpduced ones :salute:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 02:18:32 PM
It amazes me that the Chinese can produce great MTs, like the WorkPro HD and Ganzo 301, but big companies refuse to have those excellent companies produce their outsourced MTs.If you get a chance, order one of the U.S. made MultiMaster tools. They make the Chinese made Kutmasters look pretty silly. Plus, it is pretty old-school. :)
that's for sure, ::)
like most MTs (SOGs, Gerbers, Schrade Tough...) the American versions do shine when compared to the overseas prpduced ones :salute:
If the new Schrades and MultiMasters werw made like the Chinese Workpro HD and Ganzo stuff, they would be great. As it stands, they seem to be o.k. with outsourcing great tools to the point, the tools are junk. :facepalm:
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 02, 2018, 03:23:54 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 02, 2018, 03:25:00 AM
Post by: Yadda on August 21, 2018, 06:26:05 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 21, 2018, 07:24:31 AM
Thank you for sharing that :cheers:
Post by: MMR on August 21, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
Here is my Husky knockoff set. Saved my bacon a few times.
That is actually quite a neat set!
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Post by: ChopperCharles on August 21, 2018, 10:30:15 PM
Hey, has anyone else seen the Garrity Hammer Tool on ebay? They look just like Multimaster tools in a hammer format. Dunno if they were made by Kutmaster or just the factory or what, but might be worth a grab for a collector. Or if you want cheap donor to mod a Wrench Head with a saw and can opener...
Charles.
Post by: gerleatherberman on August 22, 2018, 01:45:41 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on October 31, 2018, 06:20:32 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 03, 2018, 04:28:25 AM
Is the "lockbar" seating all the way into the lock-notches of the tools? There are several solutions to the issue without having to send it back to Kutmaster. I would worry what they'd send back would be worse. Their quality is in serious decline as they push the Chinese Kutmasters. :facepalm:
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 03, 2018, 11:29:19 AM
As far as I can tell there's no obvious cause for the issue. The arm appears to seat just as it's supposed to. It isn't a major problem anyway. About the only thing it can't grip is a sheet of paper, so I can live with it if there's no easy fix.
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 03, 2018, 02:59:00 PM
Does yours look like it could spare a little filing of the lockbar?
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 03, 2018, 11:32:12 PM
I was thinking maybe you could file a tiny bit off of the lock bar. Just a smidgen of course to allow the solid handle to be closer to the tool-filled handle.
Does yours look like it could spare a little filing of the lockbar?
That just might do it. There's plenty of clearance between the handles after all. I just have to be careful not to take too much off, or make it a weird angle. Yeah, think I'll try that sometime soon. Thanks for the idea, G-man.
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 04, 2018, 12:36:55 AM
And it worked! I didn't even botch it up and ruin the whole thing :woohoo: :hatsoff:
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 04, 2018, 02:17:22 AM
Glad it worked out well. :salute:
I really like the U.S. Kutmaster MultiMasters. But, it is saddening that the quality control is being compromised now. I hope Kutmaster fixes the issues, but I won't be holding my breath. :(
Post by: CeHo on November 08, 2018, 09:40:58 PM
I had also one - pics coming soon.
Im looking for pics of the first production run (NIB) - I saw an very early model and I want to check if it’s one the first models...
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 08, 2018, 10:47:39 PM
The older MMs had finer tips on the NN pliers than the newer ones. It's probably worth buying if it has fine tips and is NIB..IMO.
Post by: CeHo on November 09, 2018, 09:34:06 AM
I have never seen a first run in the box. I have never seen an early one with packing. :dunno:
The older MMs had finer tips on the NN pliers than the newer ones. It's probably worth buying if it has fine tips and is NIB..IMO.
I thought for hours about it :pok:
The problem is that they are expensive in Germany- around 50 Euro.
We will see next week - I’m planning a trademeeting next week. I have the chance for some rare Vic’s, a Gerber 650, some Wengers, old Kershaw knives and the NIB MM. Maybe I can get one.
I will later post a MM-pic with some rarity- a german user manual.
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 09, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
Looking forward to see the MM with German packaging :popcorn:
Post by: CeHo on November 09, 2018, 08:09:32 PM
Post by: GrandpaPatch on November 09, 2018, 08:28:33 PM
Post by: CeHo on November 09, 2018, 08:32:14 PM
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 09, 2018, 08:48:25 PM
Congrats on that one. :cheers:
Post by: CeHo on November 09, 2018, 09:02:59 PM
But your MM-collection is amazing :like:
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 09, 2018, 11:44:27 PM
Many thanks :tu::cheers:
But your MM-collection is amazing :like:
And thank you, CeHo! :)
I have now gotten to the point that I think the U.S. Kutmaster MTs are a bit better than the newer China Kutmaster MTs. The newer ones do have a few extra functions, but they have left behind the slim, heavy duty essence of the original. The newer ones are o.k, but not true to the original.
The older thick lock tab on the plier handle is a far superior lock to the newer sheet metal lid tab that the new ones lock with.
Post by: CeHo on November 09, 2018, 11:52:14 PM
Many thanks :tu::cheers:
But your MM-collection is amazing :like:
And thank you, CeHo! :)
I have now gotten to the point that I think the U.S. Kutmaster MTs are a bit better than the newer China Kutmaster MTs. The newer ones do have a few extra functions, but they have left behind the slim, heavy duty essence of the original. The newer ones are o.k, but not true to the original.
The older thick lock tab on the plier handle is a far superior lock to the newer sheet metal lid tab that the new ones lock with.
Thanks for the information. I will keep that in mint for next week - maybe my MM is then no longer alone :)
There are some tools which are important for a generalist collection - the MM is in my opinion one of them :tu:
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 10, 2018, 03:23:36 AM
Good luck on getting the other MM, CeHo! :multi:
Post by: CeHo on November 10, 2018, 07:35:34 AM
Post by: CeHo on November 16, 2018, 11:41:59 PM
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 17, 2018, 05:36:16 AM
Post by: CeHo on November 23, 2018, 11:13:13 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 23, 2018, 03:26:32 PM
Post by: CeHo on November 23, 2018, 03:41:07 PM
I like the jaw opening. I like the tool a lot - including the color combination of the sheath and the box.
Post by: gerleatherberman on November 23, 2018, 03:45:04 PM
The colors are awesome. :)
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 13, 2019, 11:24:29 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UFRzMkP.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/tSh3FHH.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/mvpSYpU.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/XJ1t4h6.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/fms0bSv.jpg)
Older 2pc BN, Older 2pc NN, Newer NN, and Newer BN.
(http://imgur.com/Q1I4kAz.jpg)
And of course, if anyone is interested, here is the listing I bought to see how rough the tool was.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multimaster-Tool-by-Kutmaster-/254169221085?txnId=2479641038015
You can see I did quite a bit of restoration on the tool. But, after all the work, it looks brand new. Ready for the collection. :)
Post by: Barry Rowland on July 14, 2019, 01:43:09 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2019, 03:42:38 AM
Way to go Gman!Many thanks, Barry! :cheers:
Post by: WoodsDuck on July 14, 2019, 04:06:05 AM
Finally found a good deal on an older KutMaster 2pc BN jaw MultiMaster. :woohoo:
(http://i.imgur.com/UFRzMkP.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/tSh3FHH.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/mvpSYpU.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/XJ1t4h6.jpg)
(http://imgur.com/fms0bSv.jpg)
Older 2pc BN, Older 2pc NN, Newer NN, and Newer BN.
(http://imgur.com/Q1I4kAz.jpg)
And of course, if anyone is interested, here is the listing I bought to see how rough the tool was.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Multimaster-Tool-by-Kutmaster-/254169221085?txnId=2479641038015
You can see I did quite a bit of restoration on the tool. But, after all the work, it looks brand new. Ready for the collection. :)
Very nice!
I also like the logo on that version of the sheath.
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2019, 05:03:15 AM
Very nice!Thank you, WoodsDuck! :cheers:
I also like the logo on that version of the sheath.
:iagree: It is my favorite of the MM sheaths. The newest versions have nothing on the sheath, which is kind of sad really. :facepalm:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2019, 05:57:03 AM
So, I am sure that the 3 MultiMaster sheaths I have pictured aren't all of the variations, but it is what I have at the moment.
KutMaster MultiMaster Sheaths.
Left to right: Early version, intermediate productions version(one of them anyway), and Latest version.
Accessories shown are what came with the tools, except the early version(which originally came with more double-ended bits).
(https://i.imgur.com/qhF5nVa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AMmWnGn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eFso4Mz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OB9eoHt.jpg)
KutMaster WrenchHead and Team RealTree sheaths.
Accessories shown are what came with the tools.
(https://i.imgur.com/yauQKhf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vY5mIrP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9pbqeaj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/K5ur0Dz.jpg)
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 14, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
And nice work too! :salute:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2019, 04:33:50 PM
That's so beautiful. :cheers:Many thanks, RP! :cheers:
And nice work too! :salute:
Post by: ChopperCharles on July 14, 2019, 07:13:31 PM
Charles.
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2019, 09:17:11 PM
I might have to find an original multi master. It looks like a much better tool than my Wrench Head.
Charles.
The MMs are definitely better IMO. Not as many functions, but what it does, it does well. The cutters are the only thing I think aren't good. They cut much much better than the Wrench Head(18-2 wire can be cut), but not like some modern MTs. The older 2pc jaws come apart, so some manipulation of geometry could help with that.
Post by: ChopperCharles on July 15, 2019, 04:38:38 AM
That said, this would just be for a pair of pliers to replace the cheap garbage pliers that come in a standard motorcycle tool kit. I thought the Wrench Head could do that duty, and thought the tools were a good fit - spark plug gauge and t-handle driver... but... it just sucks as a pair of pliers. Even the Winchester version just sucks. :/
Might abandon the idea altogether and just put a Gerber MP600 in there and call it done.
Charles.
Post by: CeHo on July 15, 2019, 05:00:17 AM
The sheaths had not been covered yet in this particular thread. :ahhh
So, I am sure that the 3 MultiMaster sheaths I have pictured aren't all of the variations, but it is what I have at the moment.
KutMaster MultiMaster Sheaths.
Left to right: Early version, intermediate productions version(one of them anyway), and Latest version.
Accessories shown are what came with the tools, except the early version(which originally came with more double-ended bits).
(https://i.imgur.com/qhF5nVa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AMmWnGn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eFso4Mz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OB9eoHt.jpg)
KutMaster WrenchHead and Team RealTree sheaths.
Accessories shown are what came with the tools.
(https://i.imgur.com/yauQKhf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vY5mIrP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9pbqeaj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/K5ur0Dz.jpg)
Very cool! Thanks for showing :like:
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 15, 2019, 05:50:54 AM
Yeah, my Wrench Head is abysmal at cutting wire. But, I don't care about romex, I care only about stranded wire. Speaker wire, motorcycle wiring harness wire, etc. Anything can cut romex, but stranded is where it's at.Good thing I don't use romex for MT wire cutting tests. I tend to agree thicker solid core wire is just too easy to cut with bad cutters. :D :iagree:
That said, this would just be for a pair of pliers to replace the cheap garbage pliers that come in a standard motorcycle tool kit. I thought the Wrench Head could do that duty, and thought the tools were a good fit - spark plug gauge and t-handle driver... but... it just sucks as a pair of pliers. Even the Winchester version just sucks. :/
Might abandon the idea altogether and just put a Gerber MP600 in there and call it done.
Charles.
I was/am a vintage/antique lighting repair speSmurfpillst, so the 18-2 I usually write about it stranded copper lamp wire. :)
Very cool! Thanks for showing :like:You're welcome, my friend! And thank you. :cheers:
Post by: cody6268 on July 17, 2019, 04:43:44 AM
I guess they make enough money making flatware and doing contract work; it isn't anywhere close to their priorities to improve an ancient design only us nuts here even really care about or are familiar with.
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 17, 2019, 05:18:03 AM
It is definitely one of the older designs that could be made more relevant with just some minor alterations.
My favorite thing about it is the slot lock(not the sheet metal one on the Wrench Head and Realtree). Even if it were to slip out, the handle still keeps the implements from getting a finger.
Kutmaster could do well with a MultiMaster+(one with the revisions you mentioned). :)
Post by: Rapidray on October 26, 2019, 12:38:25 AM
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 26, 2019, 12:39:47 AM
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 26, 2019, 05:12:21 AM
Be careful Ray.... whole new rabbit hole with these tools :facepalm:
:iagree:
:assimilate:
Great information here...didn’t even know KUTMASTER did a MT :facepalm:
The Multimaster like is awesome! :)
Post by: cody6268 on October 26, 2019, 01:39:48 PM
Be careful Ray.... whole new rabbit hole with these tools :facepalm:
Especially when you factor the models that never were actually produced in number; apparently only in samples and for contracts. They've found their way into civilian hands by way of second/overrun lots. I kinda like the ones with strap cutters (in place of can opener) and tanto blades but with mine, it was supposedly part of a contract made for an "overseas contract" as per a Utica Kutmaster rep. While it wore off with no effort (literally with nothing more than Palmolive and a toothbrush); I noticed some kind of rather Commonwealth looking cap badge VERY lightly printed or etched onto mine.
Post by: ChopperCharles on October 26, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
Charles.