Post by: Benner on June 26, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
So, which do you prefer? For me a SAK just has to have a corkscrew (not including glorious Alox :drool:). I hardly ever need one, but cellidor SAK's just scream corkscrew to me and I always have a phillips on my multitool.
Post by: cliosguy on June 26, 2009, 07:19:27 PM
Post by: Screwtape on June 26, 2009, 07:27:36 PM
So I suppose I should prefer the corkscrew as I would prefer to ahve a day out than a day at work ;)
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2009, 07:32:57 PM
I bet it has a screw cap. :cry:
Post by: jzmtl on June 26, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
Post by: Buzzbait on June 26, 2009, 07:39:08 PM
Post by: ducktapehero on June 26, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
Post by: Magic Bus on June 26, 2009, 08:11:30 PM
Post by: MrVanimal on June 26, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
Post by: Nikos on June 26, 2009, 08:25:55 PM
Post by: bren10man on June 26, 2009, 08:27:58 PM
However, if I EDC a smaller one, I do not drink, so no need for the corkscrw, but I am always "Tinker"ing with things.....so Phillips for me!!!
I think it is an American thing....why they make the Handyman (Craftsman with corkscrew in lieu of phillips) is beyond me.
Post by: Spork, Lord of Lime Jello! on June 26, 2009, 08:45:32 PM
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 26, 2009, 08:50:39 PM
Post by: skydan on June 26, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
:cheers: Humm. there appears to be no suitable wine-bottle-opening emoticon.
Post by: Sazabi on June 26, 2009, 09:18:56 PM
Post by: Leatherman123 on June 26, 2009, 09:20:34 PM
Post by: Benner on June 26, 2009, 09:21:10 PM
Why not go for a Scientist or Yeoman and have the best of both worlds? ^^;
The question is about backspring tools though, so unless you have some wicked mods, I doubt you have them both on there. :D
I do agree though, both is nice, but when carried with a MT it's pretty pointless added bulk IMO.
Post by: yud on June 26, 2009, 09:21:27 PM
Post by: cliosguy on June 26, 2009, 09:58:46 PM
Post by: max6166 on June 26, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
Post by: Sazabi on June 26, 2009, 10:07:58 PM
Why not go for a Scientist or Yeoman and have the best of both worlds? ^^;
The question is about backspring tools though, so unless you have some wicked mods, I doubt you have them both on there. :D
I do agree though, both is nice, but when carried with a MT it's pretty pointless added bulk IMO.
Whoops; I didn't actually read the poll. :-[
Umm, I'll have to go with corkscrew, then, simply because a phillips can be inline, or the can opener can be used on them.
Post by: Sidhartha on June 26, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Post by: Craig on June 26, 2009, 10:47:39 PM
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 26, 2009, 10:49:05 PM
Post by: rp252 on June 26, 2009, 11:27:56 PM
I don't mind either, but I think my preference would be for the corkscrew for untying knots, and for the wicked little screwdriver :)
Sums up my thoughts exactly. The mini screwdriver is great, and can be used as a mini pokey-thing if needed (it scrapes the lint from the layers of my SAK quite nicely :D). The corkscrew does help with knots, and I've used it loads for its intended purpose as well.
Post by: Neil on June 27, 2009, 12:34:39 AM
Why not go for a Scientist or Yeoman and have the best of both worlds? ^^;
The question is about backspring tools though, so unless you have some wicked mods, I doubt you have them both on there. :D
I do agree though, both is nice, but when carried with a MT it's pretty pointless added bulk IMO.
I think Spork is the only person to have ever done that but I don't think he bothered to peen the resulting monster as it was a bit unweildy.
Corkscrew is good for holding the mini screwdriver but I think I've only opened two bottles of wine in my entire life with a SAK. The backspring phillips is in a pretty crap place and I'd rather use the can opener instead if the SAK didn't have a proper in line one. The phillips does make the SAK comfier to hold though, especially if it one old the older style square shank jobs. Frankly I think its time we had a better option than either.
Post by: Spork, Lord of Lime Jello! on June 27, 2009, 01:17:15 AM
I think Spork is the only person to have ever done that but I don't think he bothered to peen the resulting monster as it was a bit unweildy.
I must have been drunk :think: :D
Post by: Mike 56 on June 27, 2009, 01:21:55 AM
Mike
Post by: AndyTiedye on June 27, 2009, 01:58:48 AM
Post by: ringzero on June 27, 2009, 01:59:47 AM
Phillips for me. I absolutely hate the way the corkscrew the handle feel.
+1
Hate corkscrews!
Hate the feel, hate the aesthetics.
Corkscrew ruins the smooth, sleek lines of a SAK.
A decent Phillips is crucial for me. The backspring Phillips on my Tinker has proved its utility many times over the years.
Would never buy any SAK with a corkscrew, unless it also offered an inline Phillips, like the Wenger S557.
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Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 27, 2009, 10:13:42 AM
I do that too :tu:I don't mind either, but I think my preference would be for the corkscrew for untying knots, and for the wicked little screwdriver :)
Sums up my thoughts exactly. The mini screwdriver is great, and can be used as a mini pokey-thing if needed (it scrapes the lint from the layers of my SAK quite nicely :D). The corkscrew does help with knots, and I've used it loads for its intended purpose as well.
Post by: Benner on June 27, 2009, 11:52:52 AM
Post by: Styerman on June 27, 2009, 03:06:47 PM
Chris
Post by: Anthony on June 27, 2009, 03:14:08 PM
Phillips drivers I have on my main multitool, and on the Vic can opener in a pinch.
Post by: Mr. Whippy on June 27, 2009, 03:19:10 PM
A pox on backspring philips drivers ! Give me a corkscrew every time , can't live without the eyeglass screwdriver .
Chris
I gots 'yer eyeglass screwdriver, right HERE (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11588.0.html)!
>:D
Post by: Chako on June 27, 2009, 03:41:25 PM
Now to make me really happy, switch that Phillips to a Robertson. :tu:
Post by: Gadget Guy on June 27, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
Give me the Phillips any day over a corkscrew. I don't drink wine, and haven't used a corkscrew in ages.
Now to make me really happy, switch that Phillips to a Robertson. :tu:
Now that would be cool! :tu:
Post by: silentio on June 27, 2009, 04:58:47 PM
Post by: duckman1975 on June 27, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
Post by: Swiss Man on June 27, 2009, 11:40:23 PM
I use to just skip over SAKs that didn't have the corkscrew just because I loved the mini so much until one day the mini
failed me and I ended up using the nail cleaner on my Wenger nail clippers to tighten the screw.
Now I don't even like the look or feel of the corkscrew. I still think that an inline phillips is the best thing going.
Post by: yud on June 28, 2009, 04:05:08 AM
Post by: nuphoria on July 04, 2009, 08:41:52 PM
I don't drink often, any very rarely wine so I have no use for the things.. I use the toothpick for de-linting etc so don't miss the mini screwdriver really. :)
Post by: sappyg on July 05, 2009, 06:46:40 AM
Post by: 2xTap on July 05, 2009, 09:46:11 AM
2xTap
Post by: Springs420 on July 05, 2009, 06:00:13 PM
Post by: Huntsman on September 23, 2013, 03:43:41 AM
I was going to start a new thread on this topic - Then found this one - So started a reply.
.... Then the forum told me I should consider a new thread as this is so old!
However - The post has to be here - As it is all about this topic.
However I do prefer the titlle I was going to use: Are you a Tinker or a Drinker?
Corkscrew for me - Ever since I used to go to student parties and no-one ever had a corkscrew.
I was the most popular guy at every party I attended.
Most other reasons have already been posted.
I started collecting SAKs only this year and of course had to get a Tinker.
I already prefered the Corkscrew - But really wanted to give the Phillips a chance...
However I find the backtool Phillips pretty difficult to use.
- The head does not always seem to fit the screws very well
- It's difficult to apply pressure
- Spinning the screw (and tool) once the screw is loose is very very awkward
- You cannot get in tight places
I managed to pick up a very nice Woodsman recently....
Its quite wide - But I get all the tools of my beloved Hunstman.
Plus the Magnifying Glass and an In-Line Phillips :)
Of course wine bottles with corkscrews are becoming less and less common these days
- However if you ever need a corkscrew what else can you use (easily and neatly!).
And as per this post - There are many other uses for the Corkscrew.
And one final word - As some of you have pointed out
- The Corkscrew pretty much defined the original 'Officers Knife' - So you have to have one on your SAK!
Post by: CanadianLMfan on September 23, 2013, 03:46:18 AM
If you're scared ask Def for permission or something. :D
Post by: enki_ck on September 23, 2013, 03:50:34 AM
I'm drinker by that definition. :drink: Only own one SAK with a backlayered phillips. All the others have a corkscrew, as any proper SAK. should. :P
Post by: derekmac on September 23, 2013, 04:11:39 AM
I prefer to have the corkscrew just because I really hate using backside tools. You can't get half decent pressure on them, and they almost always close on you.
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Post by: nate j on September 23, 2013, 05:20:54 AM
The fact that the corkscrew holds the eyeglass screwdriver is yet another point in its favor.
The only exception to this is my current work EDC, a Centurion. I actually do get enough use of the back spring phillips at work to make it worth having, and no one is allowed to drink wine there anyway, so...
Post by: Rich S on September 23, 2013, 07:03:02 AM
Rich
Post by: adobo on September 23, 2013, 07:15:15 AM
Post by: comis on September 23, 2013, 08:15:10 AM
Post by: HankSolon on September 23, 2013, 08:17:46 AM
Post by: Zed on September 23, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 23, 2013, 09:04:31 AM
The CS opens wine bottles, untangles knots, and holds the little precision driver, and you can tackle many of the screws the Phillips can handle with the can opener
Post by: kirk13 on September 23, 2013, 09:39:57 AM
Never used the CS for a cork,and Havnt even found the use for the micro driver on those SAKs I carry that do have a CS
Post by: CanadianLMfan on September 23, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
Post by: styx on September 23, 2013, 03:29:23 PM
Post by: Monrogue on September 23, 2013, 09:41:18 PM
Post by: Syph007 on September 24, 2013, 01:01:55 AM
In my opinion the only backtool on a 91 that makes sense is the awl. But thats inline on an alox.. so.. I dont have much use for T handled tools. I know some people actually use the corkscrew, but Ive never had a need.
If anyone has phillips backside tools they wish were corkscrews, Id happily mod those for free. :D I have about 10 million corkscrews, but much prefer having the phillips for mods.
Post by: KiwiMark on September 24, 2013, 06:38:09 AM
Post by: frjack on September 24, 2013, 07:40:04 AM
Post by: Storky on September 24, 2013, 09:12:27 AM
I have about 10 million corkscrews, ...
Resale them to Victorinox ;) :whistle:
Regards
Markus
Post by: enki_ck on September 24, 2013, 01:52:26 PM
Neither! Viva alox 93s!
In my opinion the only backtool on a 91 that makes sense is the awl. But thats inline on an alox.. so.. I dont have much use for T handled tools. I know some people actually use the corkscrew, but Ive never had a need.
If anyone has phillips backside tools they wish were corkscrews, Id happily mod those for free. :D I have about 10 million corkscrews, but much prefer having the phillips for mods.
The only reason I started EDCing ALOX models was cause I made myself a Twistick out of spare SAK parts (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,41870.msg669643.html#msg669643). :D Maybe recycle them and give them as freebies to frequent customers or extra for a few bucks. And my/Neil's design doesn't even require you to take it of the keyring unlike the original. :P
Post by: styx on September 24, 2013, 02:40:37 PM
Post by: Syph007 on September 24, 2013, 04:07:16 PM
Neither! Viva alox 93s!
In my opinion the only backtool on a 91 that makes sense is the awl. But thats inline on an alox.. so.. I dont have much use for T handled tools. I know some people actually use the corkscrew, but Ive never had a need.
If anyone has phillips backside tools they wish were corkscrews, Id happily mod those for free. :D I have about 10 million corkscrews, but much prefer having the phillips for mods.
The only reason I started EDCing ALOX models was cause I made myself a Twistick out of spare SAK parts (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,41870.msg669643.html#msg669643). :D Maybe recycle them and give them as freebies to frequent customers or extra for a few bucks. And my/Neil's design doesn't even require you to take it of the keyring unlike the original. :P
Yes for sure that is a clever use of parts! I never made one for myself since I dont need it, but Im sure others could use one. Maybe I'll toss in some parts in the next BO run for BO twisticks for something different. 10 million might be a slight over exaggeration :D , but for sure over 100 in brand new condition.
If you use a large split ring for keys, would just putting the corkscrew right on the split ring work for opening wine, or would that not give enough leverage?
Post by: enki_ck on September 24, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
Post by: jzmtl on September 24, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
If you use a large split ring for keys, would just putting the corkscrew right on the split ring work for opening wine, or would that not give enough leverage?
Twist it into the cork is easy, but I don't think anyone can pull the cork out with just a split ring short of those "my arm is bigger than your leg" guys.
Post by: JAfromMn on September 24, 2013, 07:48:18 PM
Post by: Monrogue on September 24, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
I don't know anymore.
Why not Joel?
Post by: Huntsman on September 26, 2013, 05:03:30 AM
Having placed my vote fairly and squarely in the corkscrew camp - I have just been caught out.
Was at work yesterday and a cupboard door had come off and needed fixing.
Had my current most popular EDC - Wenger Traveller with me
- So no Phillips backspring and also no Viccy can opener with flat Phillips either.
I tried the tip of the nail file - Which I see Wenger claim is a Phillips - But it was not up to the job with the large screws - Not even close
Wenger could make that file tip a much more efective Phillips by making the tip slightly less pointy - In fact like their regular flat Phillips - But that is probably a moot point now - :(
Hmm - Might have to rethink Phillips backspring allegiance and/or EDC!!
I don't like coming across every day tool challenges/jobs that my SAK cannot fix!!
Post by: nate j on September 26, 2013, 05:53:37 AM
Hmm - Might have to rethink Phillips backspring allegiance and/or EDC!!
I don't like coming across every day tool challenges/jobs that my SAK cannot fix!!
Owning and having carried both, it is my belief that the Vic analogue to the Wenger Traveler, the Climber, is a superior option. The only feature I sometimes miss from the Traveler is the nail file. Traveler vs. Climber...perhaps an idea for another thread, if it hasn't already been done.
Post by: Monrogue on September 26, 2013, 06:02:32 AM
Hmm - Might have to rethink Phillips backspring allegiance and/or EDC!!
I don't like coming across every day tool challenges/jobs that my SAK cannot fix!!
Owning and having carried both, it is my belief that the Vic analogue to the Wenger Traveler, the Climber, is a superior option. The only feature I sometimes miss from the Traveler is the nail file. Traveler vs. Climber...perhaps an idea for another thread, if it hasn't already been done.
Oh that would be a good thread :tu: I have neither of those SAKs, but I do have the EvoGrip 16, which is the same as the Traveler, only with the Phillips instead of the corkscrew. I'm not a fan of the T-handle Phillips though, and while the can opener is nice and pointy/sharp, I prefer the Vic's due to it's use as a phillips. However, I do like having the nailfile on the EG16. Overall though, I think I'd have to agree with the Climber having the edge there.
Post by: Etherealicer on September 26, 2013, 10:31:37 AM
I rarely need a corkscrew (about once every light-year) and besides there are many ways to open a wine bottle without a corkscrew (http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Wine-Bottle-Without-a-Corkscrew).
The Phillips I find practically useless due to its position.
And I always us the knife when I need a tiny screwdriver.
It seems that a lot of people like the corkscrew for its capability to hold the eyeglass screwdriver and not really the corkscrew by itself.
Post by: firiki on September 26, 2013, 01:12:38 PM
Post by: marcclarke on October 02, 2013, 05:00:42 PM
Post by: Foos on October 23, 2013, 06:22:31 PM
Post by: Singh on October 23, 2013, 07:00:11 PM
But if I’m going with celidor, then the corkscrew because it holds the eyeglass driver. The corkscrew can also can be used to loosen knots, or serve as a pokey thingy.
A T-mounted phillips is pretty useless. The darn thing collapse when you use it, and the T-handle limits your ability to reach screws. Example: screws on a doorknob asembly.
Post by: Foos on October 23, 2013, 07:03:06 PM
Post by: Smashie on October 23, 2013, 07:09:50 PM
If I take my Spartan then I make sure I have some other tools on me.
Post by: Jothra on October 23, 2013, 07:58:53 PM
Post by: kmanct3 on October 24, 2013, 06:59:21 PM
Post by: Thunderpants on October 24, 2013, 08:03:28 PM
Both , this is why my Explorer is my SAK of choice
Yes but who needs to carry a flipping magnifying glass? The Explorer looks pretty useful, but it looks like something 12 year old boys get for Xmas.
I don't know why Victorinox are so hostile to Philips screwsdrivers. Flat head screws are a thing of the past. Nobody since 1950 has willingly purchased a pack of them. Every single item in the modern world is held together with Philips head screws (or Torx). Yes, sometimes you can just about get by with some other tool... but seriously. Victorinox is being very complacent here. I for one would welcome a SAK that didn't look like it was designed for the kids in an Enid Blighton novel.
Post by: Monrogue on October 24, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
Post by: Jothra on October 24, 2013, 08:15:19 PM
Post by: kmanct3 on October 24, 2013, 08:17:50 PM
Valid point , BUT, I personally do find the mag glass useful, I mean this is the whole purpose of a SAK isn't it ?Both , this is why my Explorer is my SAK of choice
Yes but who needs to carry a flipping magnifying glass? The Explorer looks pretty useful, but it looks like something 12 year old boys get for Xmas.
I don't know why Victorinox are so hostile to Philips screwsdrivers. Flat head screws are a thing of the past. Nobody since 1950 has willingly purchased a pack of them. Every single item in the modern world is held together with Philips head screws (or Torx). Yes, sometimes you can just about get by with some other tool... but seriously. Victorinox is being very complacent here. I for one would welcome a SAK that didn't look like it was designed for the kids in an Enid Blighton novel.
Post by: Singh on October 24, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
Yes but who needs to carry a flipping magnifying glass? The Explorer looks pretty useful, but it looks like something 12 year old boys get for Xmas.
I don't know why Victorinox are so hostile to Philips screwsdrivers. Flat head screws are a thing of the past. Nobody since 1950 has willingly purchased a pack of them. Every single item in the modern world is held together with Philips head screws (or Torx). Yes, sometimes you can just about get by with some other tool... but seriously. Victorinox is being very complacent here. I for one would welcome a SAK that didn't look like it was designed for the kids in an Enid Blighton novel.
Vic offers an inline Phillips on the Champ and Explorer, the tinker series has a t-mounted Phillips driver, the can opener tool can just about fit into any Phillips screw out there, and the Cybertools and Swisstools have torx and Phillips bits. I’m not sure how one could see Vic as being hostile towards Philips screws. :think:
And a magnfying glass? I use one quite often when removing splinters. :)
Post by: Thunderpants on October 24, 2013, 09:23:53 PM
The can opener as Philips is great, as a last resort. No way would I want to do anything like put an ikea shelf together using the can opener. It's an emergency measure and not a serious solution to anything.
Most of the other Vic tools do their job really well so it is surprising to find people so tolerant of the second-rate solutions they have for handling Philips screws. As far as I can see, two SAKs have usable philips drivers... and neither of them are particarly skinny.
I love everything about the knives I've got and am constantly stunned by the quality of the tools you can get for pennies. It just baffles me that in all these years Victorinox has consistently shunned the most useful tool of them all , the philips head screwdriver.
Having said that, I have a Swisstool Spirit, which is so good I probably don't need anything else. But a Spartanesque cellidor with a usable philips would be a dream. I'd swap the big blade for it, any day.
Post by: Jothra on October 25, 2013, 12:14:51 AM
The only problem with an in-line Phillips is that it is more or less a one-trick pony. If that's the only trick you need, then fine -- but sometimes it's worthwhile giving up some specialization in exchange for versatility.
Besides, it's worth noting that here in Canada we use an awful lot of Robertson screws.
Post by: Thunderpants on October 25, 2013, 12:31:34 AM
Besides, it's worth noting that here in Canada we use an awful lot of Robertson screws.
What on earth...! I've never even heard of Robertson screws. You have screws with a square slot? The only time I've seen this in Europe is on trains. They have big square slots on knobs they don't want passengers to mess with...
Post by: Jothra on October 25, 2013, 12:49:42 AM
Post by: hugh_h on October 25, 2013, 02:11:53 AM
Post by: fozzy_au on October 25, 2013, 05:16:31 AM
Most of the other Vic tools do their job really well so it is surprising to find people so tolerant of the second-rate solutions they have for handling Philips screws. As far as I can see, two SAKs have usable philips drivers... and neither of them are particarly skinny.
I love everything about the knives I've got and am constantly stunned by the quality of the tools you can get for pennies. It just baffles me that in all these years Victorinox has consistently shunned the most useful tool of them all , the philips head screwdriver.
I think part of the trouble with the inline phillips head is that it requires a thick layer, and since it only takes up half the length of the knife they need to pair it with another thick tool such as the magnifying glass on the Explorer, Champion and Swiss Champs or the LED on the Huntsman Lite. Both of those tools seemed to be maligned by many people.
Post by: Thunderpants on October 25, 2013, 05:56:10 AM
I think part of the trouble with the inline phillips head is that it requires a thick layer, and since it only takes up half the length of the knife they need to pair it with another thick tool such as the magnifying glass on the Explorer, Champion and Swiss Champs or the LED on the Huntsman Lite. Both of those tools seemed to be maligned by many people.
Yeah, I just noticed for the 1st time the Mountaineer Lite - I bet it's a beast in person, but it has the Phillips driver in a semi-sane configuration. Downside, it's as wide as an aircraft carrier and has one of those dimmest-light-ever-made-LEDs on it.
Post by: Thunderpants on October 25, 2013, 06:01:22 AM
So there you go. You're all heroin addicts in disguise. :D
Post by: KiwiMark on October 25, 2013, 11:21:32 AM
Vic offers an inline Phillips on the Champ and Explorer, the tinker series has a t-mounted Phillips driver, the can opener tool can just about fit into any Phillips screw out there, and the Cybertools and Swisstools have torx and Phillips bits. I’m not sure how one could see Vic as being hostile towards Philips screws. :think:
You have missed a few:
Minichamp
Rambler
Manager
Midnite Manager
Rally
Probably more as well.
There are also the Victorinox SwissTool and SwissTool multitools that all have Phillips screwdrivers.
Post by: undertaker99 on January 22, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
Another corkscrew preference here. Love being able to carry the eyeglass screwdriver. And so many models have the can opener with the driver that can handle many philips screws.
if the screw is torqued too tight & you slip u can damage the can opener and the screw
Post by: Steinar on January 22, 2016, 11:34:14 AM
Another corkscrew preference here. Love being able to carry the eyeglass screwdriver. And so many models have the can opener with the driver that can handle many philips screws.
if the screw is torqued too tight & you slip u can damage the can opener and the screw
And if the screw is torqued too tight, you can with surprising ease screw up the peening of the knife with the backmounted Philips. ;) We have some threads lying around with pictures and expletives somewhere around this place. :)
Post by: powernoodle on January 22, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
The whole world is held together with phillips screws, not wine corks. :salute:
Post by: Steinar on January 22, 2016, 12:01:48 PM
This is the thread that keeps coming back to life.
The whole world is held together with phillips screws, not wine corks. :salute:
The Philips screw is slowly being replaced, while the need for a good wine rather seems to grow. :D
Post by: powernoodle on January 22, 2016, 12:03:23 PM
I may test that theory.
Post by: Steinar on January 22, 2016, 12:07:54 PM
Post by: twiliter on January 22, 2016, 12:08:24 PM
I guess that if one drinks enough wine, he no longer cares if screws need tightening.
I may test that theory.
What screws? :drink:
Post by: magentus on January 22, 2016, 12:14:42 PM
The CS can also be used to house a temporary lanyard;
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/magentus2112/WP_20160122_003_zpsbnbkwicj.jpg) (http://s923.photobucket.com/user/magentus2112/media/WP_20160122_003_zpsbnbkwicj.jpg.html)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 22, 2016, 04:19:17 PM
I like SAKs
SAK pliers can't handle what I need pliers to do
I need to carry a pliers tool
The pliers tool will usually have a Phillips and assorted flat drivers
The pliers tool is unlikely to have a corkscrew
The pliers tool is unlikely to have scissors as good as a SAK
My SAK should have scissors and a corkscrew
This formula works very well for me indeed
That said, I have found that a Gerber Dime is sometimes all I need on the pliers front, and as such have been considering a DofE with a blade modification. If I do this, it will be the only SAK with backspring Phillips I carry (except for the Mega84 which has both backspring Phillips AND corkscrew)
Post by: SAK Guy on January 22, 2016, 05:24:43 PM
Post by: Fortytwo on January 22, 2016, 05:30:59 PM
Logic path:
I like SAKs
SAK pliers can't handle what I need pliers to do
I need to carry a pliers tool
The pliers tool will usually have a Phillips and assorted flat drivers
The pliers tool is unlikely to have a corkscrew
The pliers tool is unlikely to have scissors as good as a SAK
My SAK should have scissors and a corkscrew
This formula works very well for me indeed
I have a modified formula, the scissors goes in a Swisscard, but otherwise I fully agree with you!
Post by: Humppa on January 22, 2016, 05:49:24 PM
I doubt...
But as it goes for me - I have no preference. I like 'em both. The canopener is a good phillipshead screwdriver. The backlayer one is a good one as well, but too much pressure is not fine for it. I use the backlayer one mostly when unscrewing something.
But nothing beats the good ol' inlayer phillipshead like on the Explorer on the Swisschamp.
The corkscrew is fine for untying knots of shoelaces that are maybe wet and very well tied together, so that they are actually bombproof. I´m no wine drinker - being a bavarian, I highly appreciate good beverage. But the small eyeglass screwdriver is also used for me to open the tools on the SAK when I cut my nails too short and I can hardly reach nailnicks, or when the hands are really cold, a great little tool there.
So each has its pros and cons.
It is a tie for me :cheers:
Post by: cody6268 on January 22, 2016, 05:53:57 PM
Sure, I often carry a pliers based tool, but almost as often as I carry it, I usually leave it behind. I only have two models with corkscrew out of my almost one dozen SAK collection--German Army Knife and Explorer. GAK I usually carry because it's so light and thin, and the Explorer because I do occasionally use the mag lens.
The Duke of Edinburgh Award Tool I've considered getting myself--problem is the darn idiot-proofed blunt tip blade, and since I don't think I have the skills to reprofile it, guess I'm stuck with that blade. At least that blade would be better for emergency situations and when I'm in extremely close quarters to others.
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 22, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
I actually use mine frequently, as Mrs. sLaughter is a wine drinker, and more often than not my SAK with CS is closer than a dedicated Corkscrew. Plus, I enjoy any excuse to use my SAKs and multis, so I actually get enjoyment out of a bottle of wine I otherwise wouldnt get anything out of (im more of a beer and liquor guy).
The corkscrew makes a decent marline spike as well, which is important when you have kids with shoes with laces.:tu:
Post by: Alan K. on January 22, 2016, 11:02:05 PM
Logic path:
I like SAKs
SAK pliers can't handle what I need pliers to do
I need to carry a pliers tool
The pliers tool will usually have a Phillips and assorted flat drivers
The pliers tool is unlikely to have a corkscrew
The pliers tool is unlikely to have scissors as good as a SAK
My SAK should have scissors and a corkscrew
This formula works very well for me indeed
That said, I have found that a Gerber Dime is sometimes all I need on the pliers front, and as such have been considering a DofE with a blade modification. If I do this, it will be the only SAK with backspring Phillips I carry (except for the Mega84 which has both backspring Phillips AND corkscrew)
This does make sense to me too. If I'm carrying a Rebar, for example, then it is complimented by carrying the SAK with a cork crew and scissors.
Then Victorinox went and blew that whole line of logic to hell by putting out the Spirit which has their excellent scissors, and an optional accessory cork screw. :climber:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 24, 2016, 08:18:27 PM
Phillips driver. It can handle No. 1 and No. 2 Phillips, unlike the inline model which can only handle No. 2. The can opener can handle No. 2s on models that do not have a Phillips, (i.e. Soldier '61, Spartan), but is limited by the fact it can't reach recessed screws.
Sure, I often carry a pliers based tool, but almost as often as I carry it, I usually leave it behind. I only have two models with corkscrew out of my almost one dozen SAK collection--German Army Knife and Explorer. GAK I usually carry because it's so light and thin, and the Explorer because I do occasionally use the mag lens.
The Duke of Edinburgh Award Tool I've considered getting myself--problem is the darn idiot-proofed blunt tip blade, and since I don't think I have the skills to reprofile it, guess I'm stuck with that blade. At least that blade would be better for emergency situations and when I'm in extremely close quarters to others.
I've been playing around with how to reprofile it. It seems a 2p coin makes a reasonable template for marking out a kind of sheepsfoot style (see pics below)
Post by: eddie1115 on January 24, 2016, 09:44:18 PM
So if I have a second tool with me, the SAK needs a corkscrew/mini SD. All of my kit/bag/car SAKs are CS models. However, around the house, I usually carry a SAK by itself, and it needs to have a phillips (Super Tinker/Evo 16). I have a corkscrew in the kitchen, and the back side phillips is great for replacing kids' toy batteries.
Also, that sheepsfoot looks like a great idea :tu:
Post by: temo on January 24, 2016, 10:56:53 PM
Post by: sir_mike on January 24, 2016, 11:03:16 PM
Post by: DaveBr on January 26, 2016, 08:02:54 PM
Dave
Post by: Ron Who on October 04, 2016, 09:03:29 PM
BTW, I rarely use screwdrivers of any kind. OTOH, I never go to a party without my Waiter.
Post by: Subterranean on October 04, 2016, 09:51:59 PM
I carried and used my Tinker many times back when:
a) I had solid quality eyeglasses whose screws didn't need fixing (now I have modernly crappy ones, I need to tighten the screws every month or so)
b) I didn't have the SwissTool, so the Tinker's Phillips was the only real Phillips screwdriver I had in my EDC (OK, I do EDC a Classic SD and the "Quattro" screwdriver too, but we are talking about the full-profile PH screwdrivers now).
Later on, I bought the Climber and now I EDC it more often than the Tinker:
a) I actually used the corkscrew quite a few times for opening wine bottles (AA, here I come :facepalm: )
b) I use the tiny screwdriver often on my new eyeglasses
c) I started using the "Quattro" screwdriver and the Classic SD tip on the PH screws.
I just love the profile of the backspring Phillips, it looks like a nice, fair, full-sized, well-profiled PH2 screwdriver. I've used it many times successfully, especially on the recessed PH screws. About 90% of time its position wasn't a problem and I could use it without problems.
The profile of the inline/SwissTool Phillips looks weird, almost stubby and sort of hybrid-ish. But actually, I've used it successfully on both the PH1 and PH2 screw heads. PH0 screws can be a bit problematic with that hybrid inline/SwissTool screwdriver - I prefer to use the "Quattro" screwdriver for those screws.
Post by: Subterranean on October 04, 2016, 10:02:48 PM
What 50ft-trad said - I absolutely agree about carrying both - a pliers based MT for the screwdrivers etc. as a real work tool + a classic SAK with scissors and corkscrew as a pocket knife.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 04, 2016, 10:10:51 PM
Edit: Typical! I type "higher up this page", and this becomes the first post on a new page!
:facepalm: oh well, you get the idea :D
Post by: Gareth on October 04, 2016, 11:29:16 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 04, 2016, 11:49:34 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: Gareth on October 05, 2016, 12:02:09 AM
I'm actually that biased towards corkscrew adourned SAKs, and have such little knowledge of back Phillips SAKs that I'm going to have to visit SAK Wiki to see what a Grand Prix and Master Craftsman are
:facepalm:
Grand Prix=Mountaineer
Master Craftsman=Ranger
At least I hope that's right or else I'm going to look very foolish. :-[
Post by: twiliter on October 05, 2016, 12:14:45 AM
Post by: cali-SAK-attack on October 05, 2016, 12:19:17 AM
IMO Spartans should have corkscrews and Tinkers should have phillips drivers. :salute:+1 HERE , HERE! :drink:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 05, 2016, 12:54:41 AM
I'm actually that biased towards corkscrew adourned SAKs, and have such little knowledge of back Phillips SAKs that I'm going to have to visit SAK Wiki to see what a Grand Prix and Master Craftsman are
:facepalm:
Grand Prix=Mountaineer
Master Craftsman=Ranger
At least I hope that's right or else I'm going to look very foolish. :-[
:rofl: Don't worry mate, you nailed it ;)
I'll probably still have to look again in future though...... :whistle:
Post by: theonew on October 05, 2016, 01:04:41 AM
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Post by: classicrock on October 05, 2016, 02:39:52 AM
For all you Tinker owners, are there screws/situations where you use the backside screwdriver, while others where you use the can opener? Or do you use just one most of the time regardless?I used it for light duty tasks only and for recessed screw. When the screw is on the surface I used the can opener. For medium duty I prefer inline phillip screwdriver on my Spirit.
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Post by: ogrdnet on October 22, 2016, 04:25:11 PM
Corkscrew clearly. The can opener handles Phillips perfectly well and what will you look like trying to open a bottle of wine for that gorgeous chick with your Phillips?
:cheers: Humm. there appears to be no suitable wine-bottle-opening emoticon.
I had a "My First Victorinox Plus" at the time, and found myself in a similar situation, but instead I had two beautiful women with me and a bottle of wine. I pulled a MacGyver and pushed the cork down the neck and into the bottle of wine by using the end of my knife and a rock to send the cork down.
Post by: jalind on October 22, 2016, 09:01:37 PM
Corkscrew clearly. The can opener handles Phillips perfectly well and what will you look like trying to open a bottle of wine for that gorgeous chick with your Phillips?
:cheers: Humm. there appears to be no suitable wine-bottle-opening emoticon.
I had a "My First Victorinox Plus" at the time, and found myself in a similar situation, but instead I had two beautiful women with me and a bottle of wine. I pulled a MacGyver and pushed the cork down the neck and into the bottle of wine by using the end of my knife and a rock to send the cork down.
That is the standard hacker's method of opening a corked wine bottle without a corkscrew. I've used the same technique with a wood dowel or a hewn piece of a 1/4" (or so) tree branch with a flat end and batoned the cork into the bottle . . . and why I never worry if my carry on a particular day has a back layer Phillips. :)
Post by: shibafu on October 23, 2016, 12:07:42 PM
Hummmm....I still feel that SAKs "should" have a corkscrew, and I still don't use the back Phillips to turn screws very often. However given how much I like carrying the Grand Prix at the moment I have to concede they must have their place. I suspect this is due to the fact that the Phillips makes a four layer SAK just that little more streamlined and pocket friendly. Not that I haven't pocket carried a four layered corkscrew SAK, but a Phillips based one feels better.
It makes an even bigger difference on a 1-layer I think. I've been using a Waiter converted to an Apprentice lately, and it feels that much slimmer with the Phillips than it did with the corkscrew.
Post by: ThePeacent on October 23, 2016, 12:26:57 PM
Post by: Padre on October 23, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
I have collection of dedicated corkscrews and the one on every SAK is pretty bad.
Of course if I have feeling that corkscrew is needed I usually pick spartan before tinker.
Post by: jalind on October 23, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Hummmm....I still feel that SAKs "should" have a corkscrew, and I still don't use the back Phillips to turn screws very often. However given how much I like carrying the Grand Prix at the moment I have to concede they must have their place. I suspect this is due to the fact that the Phillips makes a four layer SAK just that little more streamlined and pocket friendly. Not that I haven't pocket carried a four layered corkscrew SAK, but a Phillips based one feels better.
It makes an even bigger difference on a 1-layer I think. I've been using a Waiter converted to an Apprentice lately, and it feels that much slimmer with the Phillips than it did with the corkscrew.
My Apprentice conversions also feel slimmer.
John
Post by: Don Pablo on October 23, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
We seem to use mostly Pozidrive screws! Hey Vic, can you make a backside pozidrive please? :o
In any case, I vote corkscrew!
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 23, 2016, 05:34:08 PM
Post by: powernoodle on October 23, 2016, 05:54:20 PM
Post by: shibafu on October 23, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
Philips in general, for edc carry, doesn't work very well here for the same reason that the philips is of limited use to Canadians-Different screws!
We seem to use mostly Pozidrive screws! Hey Vic, can you make a backside pozidrive please? :o
In any case, I vote corkscrew!
The Vic back-side Phillips seems to work pretty well on pozi screws. The inline one, even more so. Whereas trying to use a pozi driver on Phillips screws is usually a disaster. So if you're going to have one cross-head driver, a Phillips is the one to have I think.
Here if you buy a pack of screws they'll usually be pozi, but manufactured products tend to be put together with Phillips screws.
Post by: Don Pablo on October 23, 2016, 10:44:16 PM
Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 01:22:46 AM
Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. :salute:
Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?
It's a # 0
John
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 01:30:26 AM
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
Post by: firiki on October 24, 2016, 10:54:58 AM
After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 24, 2016, 11:35:50 AM
After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
Or just use the included can key? :whistle:
Post by: magentus on October 24, 2016, 12:19:10 PM
Booooooooooo :twak: Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
Or just use the included can key? :whistle:
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 24, 2016, 12:22:07 PM
Booooooooooo :twak: Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
Or just use the included can key? :whistle:
:rofl:
Post by: Padre on October 24, 2016, 12:36:48 PM
:pok:
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 24, 2016, 01:53:57 PM
Victorinox MT oil works as a toothpaste sure.
:pok:
Rather that than Ballistol! <retch>
Post by: Steinar on October 24, 2016, 02:57:31 PM
And good luck pushing down the cork on a bottle of lambic. It will already be under pressure, and the cork will be long. The end result will in the best case be a mess and cork in the beer.
(It seems we to some degree follow the cliche of the Europeans wanting the corkscrew and the Americans wanting the Philips here. :D )
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 04:01:29 PM
Booooooooooo :twak: Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
Or just use the included can key? :whistle:
( :rofl: v :rofl: )
Fortunately, as I have some vintage SAKs, the tools are already on hand! This is the Super Tinker. Also have a Deluxe Tinker and Small Tinker with Can Key Phillips . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Super%20Tinker%20Can%20Key.jpg)
I can only hope Victorinox will bring back the Can Key for those less fortunate who haven't been able to get one of these vintage. It would be a shame for them to starve without one during the Zombie Apocalypse.
John
Post by: gene stoner on October 24, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
Booooooooooo :twak: Go back to the Can Key forum if you love them so much. Boooooooooooo - I brush my teeth with a multitool - it really hurts and my teeth are terrible but if you can't do it with a multitool it's not worth doing.After buying this today in the large grocery section of a local department store (similar to a Target), my ambivalence is gone. Must have a Phillips and it needs to be the vintage Can Key type with the veritcal slot to open the Can Key cans that are still being made.I bet SAK pliers or a pair of needawlnose ones will work well on those cans ;)
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Corned%20Beef%20Can%20Key.jpg)
John
Or just use the included can key? :whistle:
( :rofl: v :rofl: )
Fortunately, as I have some vintage SAKs, the tools are already on hand! This is the Super Tinker. Also have a Deluxe Tinker and Small Tinker with Can Key Phillips . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Can%20Key/Super%20Tinker%20Can%20Key.jpg)
I can only hope Victorinox will bring back the Can Key for those less fortunate who haven't been able to get one of these vintage. It would be a shame for them to starve without one during the Zombie Apocalypse.
John
Bring on the zombies! :twak:
Post by: magentus on October 24, 2016, 04:28:15 PM
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 04:57:32 PM
Question - Do Zombies leave vegetarians alone?
Vegetarian brain is a highly prized delicacy!
John
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 24, 2016, 04:59:14 PM
Question - Do Zombies leave vegetarians alone?
I thought everyone did :P
Post by: magentus on October 24, 2016, 05:01:39 PM
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 06:18:40 PM
... for that fresh aniseed breath! :D
And good luck pushing down the cork on a bottle of lambic. It will already be under pressure, and the cork will be long. The end result will in the best case be a mess and cork in the beer.
(It seems we to some degree follow the cliche of the Europeans wanting the corkscrew and the Americans wanting the Philips here. :D )
In that situation I would use one of these . . .
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/New%20Arrivals/Model%201902%20Light%20Cavalry%20Saber.jpg)
U.S. Army M1902 Light Cavalry Saber
A Medcial Bill will attest, attempting to open a bottle of champagne or lambic using a saber without first studying and thoroughly knowing the sabrage technique, and rehearsing it, is strongly discouraged, as is performing the technique indoors.
John
(who has two of these; one ceremonial and this one, which is very real)
Post by: Steinar on October 24, 2016, 06:56:21 PM
Post by: jalind on October 24, 2016, 07:03:57 PM
Cavalry sabres are sort of frowned upon as EDC in the European nanny states. :D
Actually, sabrage can be performed with flat or square metal (preferably steel) object about a foot long. I've seen it done with the spine of a bayonet (not the sharp edge). All that's needed is a relatively sharp corner, not a cutting edge. A piece of angle iron with a somewhat sharp corner could do the job if used correctly. :)
Post by: Steinar on October 24, 2016, 07:20:41 PM
Post by: jerseydevil on October 24, 2016, 07:21:22 PM
Cavalry sabres are sort of frowned upon as EDC in the European nanny states. :D
Geez, you guys can't have ANY fun over there, can you? :(
Post by: Steinar on October 24, 2016, 07:39:22 PM
http://satwcomic.com/anything-but-that
Post by: jerseydevil on October 24, 2016, 07:51:36 PM
Americans get knives and guns, Europeans get nudity and sex. I don't think our end of the deal is too bad. ;)
http://satwcomic.com/anything-but-that
:D
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 24, 2016, 09:44:31 PM
Americans get knives and guns, Europeans get nudity and sex. I don't think our end of the deal is too bad. ;)
http://satwcomic.com/anything-but-that
:D
Post by: Don Pablo on October 24, 2016, 11:57:30 PM
Philips size 0?Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. :salute:
Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?
It's a # 0
John
Thanks, its much smaller than I expected!
I'll have to get one now. :D
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 25, 2016, 09:04:13 AM
Philips size 0?Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. :salute:
Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?
It's a # 0
John
Thanks, its much smaller than I expected!
I'll have to get one now. :D
It's just the right size for undoing the screws on my laptop computer's base base plate, they're recessed, but the driver is still small enough to enter the holes. The tip being magnetised also helps. Don't know why anyone would choose to carry a Classic over a Rambler or Manager, they're not much larger, you gain a small Phillips driver and cap lifter and the blade is on the side away from the keyring, so easier to use.
Post by: Don Pablo on October 26, 2016, 08:32:34 PM
I'm thinking of doing some thin scale mods on it!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 27, 2016, 02:02:17 AM
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201343)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201337)
Post by: jalind on October 27, 2016, 02:10:11 AM
Philips size 0?Thanks for the alternative viewpoint on them screws. :salute:
Btw, not right place to ask, but speaking of philips, whats the size of the philips on the 58mm rally/manager/etc?
It's a # 0
John
Thanks, its much smaller than I expected!
I'll have to get one now. :D
It's just the right size for undoing the screws on my laptop computer's base base plate, they're recessed, but the driver is still small enough to enter the holes. The tip being magnetised also helps. Don't know why anyone would choose to carry a Classic over a Rambler or Manager, they're not much larger, you gain a small Phillips driver and cap lifter and the blade is on the side away from the keyring, so easier to use.
+1
In 58mm size I don't carry any less than a Rambler for all those same reasons. The usual is a modified MiniChamp (T&T scales; no pen) but when I want slim, it's a Rambler.
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 27, 2016, 08:45:24 AM
I can't believe that nobody has given the standard MTO response to this thread yet...... get both!
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201343)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201337)
I did! I said "Both, carry a Yeoman or Explorer :whistle: " - these have an inline Phillips (where it's more useful) and a corkscrew on the back...
Post by: jalind on October 27, 2016, 09:03:11 AM
I can't believe that nobody has given the standard MTO response to this thread yet...... get both!
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201343)
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=61654.0;attach=201337)
I did! I said "Both, carry a Yeoman or Explorer :whistle: " - these have an inline Phillips (where it's more useful) and a corkscrew on the back...
And let us not forget about the venerated Woodsman which carried the Explorer to the next level, errr, ummm, layer too, I suppose.
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/j_a_lind/Other/Knives/SAK/Discontinued%20Challenge/Victorinox%20Woodsman%202014%20Ruby.jpg)
John
Post by: Padre on October 27, 2016, 09:52:17 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on October 27, 2016, 11:40:15 AM
Post by: Oxford_Guy on October 27, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
Awesome mod and tools, but the rambler has a tiny cute philips for electronics work! :cheers:
This is one of the reasons why it can be a good idea to carry both a Rambler and a larger SAK with a #2 Phillips, then you've got the majority of commonly-encountered Phillips screw sizes coverd!
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on March 27, 2017, 08:23:24 PM
Just found this thread after searching for this very topic. I was a little surprised that the corkscrew was not beating the phillips by more. But maybe that's just me being corkscrewcentric. Definitely wins for me, especially when carrying a SAK with the opener layer. The Explorer is the answer for many but with a Rambler/Manager on the keychain I usually feel adequately equipped with a 2-layer.You like the corkscrew?
No way!?
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 08:28:55 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 09:03:08 PM
Just found this thread after searching for this very topic. I was a little surprised that the corkscrew was not beating the phillips by more. But maybe that's just me being corkscrewcentric. Definitely wins for me, especially when carrying a SAK with the opener layer. The Explorer is the answer for many but with a Rambler/Manager on the keychain I usually feel adequately equipped with a 2-layer.You like the corkscrew?
No way!?
:rofl: Now you know... Hope this doesn't change anything....
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
The corkscrew dates back to 1897, the Phillips to 1952. I don't consider the Phillips an improvement, but rather a falsification. The resulting knife is not an officer's knife, but a mechanic's. :D
Du sprichst die Wahrheit, genau!
:cheers:
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 09:13:27 PM
According to Captain Cork, I'm telling the truth, for sure. I don't mean to offend any mechanics among you, but to me an officer's knife needs a corkscrew to deserve the name. Looking beyond Victorinox, it appears that no other European manufacturer implements Phillips screwdrivers, the corkscrew is a must on this type of knife.
Post by: Don Pablo on March 27, 2017, 09:19:22 PM
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 09:20:15 PM
If I was carrying two SAKs, one would have Philips and the other would have Corkscrew. The end. :D
I'm carrying two SAKs, one with corkscrew and one without Phillips. :D
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 09:23:03 PM
I'll translate for those of you who don't speak German.
According to Captain Cork, I'm telling the truth, for sure. I don't mean to offend any mechanics among you, but to me an officer's knife needs a corkscrew to deserve the name. Looking beyond Victorinox, it appears that no other European manufacturer implements Phillips screwdrivers, the corkscrew is a must on this type of knife.
C'mon RS, everyone speaks German. Duh
in a video I heard someone pronounce rostfrei "roastery" :rofl:
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 09:26:13 PM
I'll translate for those of you who don't speak German.
According to Captain Cork, I'm telling the truth, for sure. I don't mean to offend any mechanics among you, but to me an officer's knife needs a corkscrew to deserve the name. Looking beyond Victorinox, it appears that no other European manufacturer implements Phillips screwdrivers, the corkscrew is a must on this type of knife.
C'mon RS, everyone speaks German. Duh
in a video I heard someone pronounce rostfrei "roastery" :rofl:
Try the Dutch roestvrij.
Post by: Don Pablo on March 27, 2017, 09:33:05 PM
:facepalm: :rofl:If I was carrying two SAKs, one would have Philips and the other would have Corkscrew. The end. :D
I'm carrying two SAKs, one with corkscrew and one without Phillips. :D
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 09:53:23 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 10:49:33 PM
Anyway, if you need a Phillips, go get a SwissChamp or another one with the inline tool. I've heard that the backside Phillips is no good to begin with.
You've "heard" lol! You are a true-blue corkscrew! Even with my moniker, I do have several SAKs with the backside phillips. One of my favs is a 60's super tinker w/ the file on the driver, at least the driver got some use that way. :P
And I do love the Fisherman, still looking for the old Fisherman (Or is it Angler?) w/ corkscrew.
Post by: Ron Who on March 27, 2017, 10:54:18 PM
Anyway, if you need a Phillips, go get a SwissChamp or another one with the inline tool. I've heard that the backside Phillips is no good to begin with.
You've "heard" lol! You are a true-blue corkscrew! Even with my moniker, I do have several SAKs with the backside phillips. One of my favs is a 60's super tinker w/ the file on the driver, at least the driver got some use that way. :P
And I do love the Fisherman, still looking for the old Fisherman (Or is it Angler?) w/ corkscrew.
There's one Phillips Fisherman in my collection ...
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 27, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Anyway, if you need a Phillips, go get a SwissChamp or another one with the inline tool. I've heard that the backside Phillips is no good to begin with.
You've "heard" lol! You are a true-blue corkscrew! Even with my moniker, I do have several SAKs with the backside phillips. One of my favs is a 60's super tinker w/ the file on the driver, at least the driver got some use that way. :P
And I do love the Fisherman, still looking for the old Fisherman (Or is it Angler?) w/ corkscrew.
There's one Phillips Fisherman in my collection ...
Well, at least it's still in mint condition. :pok:
Post by: NorCalJim on March 28, 2017, 01:31:21 AM
:climber:
Post by: El Corkscrew on March 28, 2017, 01:36:31 AM
my most favorite SAKs have corkscrews (Explorer, Swiss Champ, Champion, Yoeman, etc.).
:climber:
Another +1 for the Corkscrew! :cheers: :D
(notice the DIRECT quote)
Post by: Mechanickal on March 28, 2017, 08:14:18 AM
I think I can live with that...Just found this thread after searching for this very topic. I was a little surprised that the corkscrew was not beating the phillips by more. But maybe that's just me being corkscrewcentric. Definitely wins for me, especially when carrying a SAK with the opener layer. The Explorer is the answer for many but with a Rambler/Manager on the keychain I usually feel adequately equipped with a 2-layer.You like the corkscrew?
No way!?
:rofl: Now you know... Hope this doesn't change anything....
Haven't got a single philips backed SAK myself so...
:dd:
Post by: zr0dfx on April 02, 2017, 02:53:49 PM
Post by: Mactire404 on April 04, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
A philips isn't that bad, but I don't like the T-configuration. It prevents the use in tight corners. I prefer an in-line Philips.
Or a bit holder like on the CyberTools. Those are superior to even the in-line Philips screwdrivers
Post by: Mechanickal on April 04, 2017, 10:13:10 AM
I'd pick a corkscrew. It holds a mini screwdriver I use often and the corkscrew itself is multi-purpose.Good call...
A philips isn't that bad, but I don't like the T-configuration. It prevents the use in tight corners. I prefer an in-line Philips.
Or a bit holder like on the CyberTools. Those are superior to even the in-line Philips screwdrivers
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 04, 2017, 06:09:09 PM
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 04, 2017, 06:09:55 PM
I'd pick a corkscrew. It holds a mini screwdriver I use often and the corkscrew itself is multi-purpose.
A philips isn't that bad, but I don't like the T-configuration. It prevents the use in tight corners. I prefer an in-line Philips.
Or a bit holder like on the CyberTools. Those are superior to even the in-line Philips screwdrivers
You voted already, right? :D
Post by: Mechanickal on April 04, 2017, 09:50:30 PM
(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
Post by: Don Pablo on April 04, 2017, 10:04:37 PM
Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 04, 2017, 10:12:55 PM
Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
Post by: Ron Who on April 04, 2017, 10:36:36 PM
I take it you didn't look up corky in the slang dictionary. :facepalm:Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
Post by: Don Pablo on April 04, 2017, 10:48:34 PM
*Checks*I take it you didn't look up corky in the slang dictionary. :facepalm:Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
:facepalm:
Its like there is unfortunate slang for every word under the sun! :(
Post by: firiki on April 04, 2017, 10:53:40 PM
*Checks*I take it you didn't look up corky in the slang dictionary. :facepalm:Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
:facepalm:
Its like there is unfortunate slang for every word under the sun! :(
Since we're at it, any ideas as to what a male pig's genitalia look like? :facepalm:
Post by: Don Pablo on April 04, 2017, 11:07:34 PM
*Wild guess**Checks*I take it you didn't look up corky in the slang dictionary. :facepalm:Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
:facepalm:
Its like there is unfortunate slang for every word under the sun! :(
Since we're at it, any ideas as to what a male pig's genitalia look like? :facepalm:
Corky? :rofl: :facepalm:
Post by: firiki on April 04, 2017, 11:17:44 PM
*Wild guess**Checks*I take it you didn't look up corky in the slang dictionary. :facepalm:Do they belong to ducks? If so I'm out! :facepalm:(Family Feud Voice) And the survey says!"Corkscrewers" sounds like a club I don't want to be part of...
IT'S TIED!!!!
OH. MY. GOD. :ahhh
Corkscrewers! Where you at??? :D
:facepalm:
In retrospect, a better choice of words could have been made. :facepalm: How about Corkies? :think: :D
:facepalm:
Its like there is unfortunate slang for every word under the sun! :(
Since we're at it, any ideas as to what a male pig's genitalia look like? :facepalm:
Corky? :rofl: :facepalm:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGsoRKfSRkjx61-snazUQpcQSaJfhyLOaxMS_vx4WJS1suATBw)
:D
Post by: carboncopy101 on April 10, 2017, 04:10:56 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on April 10, 2017, 04:44:28 AM
Corkscrew for me! I use it every time i pack the grocery to the ref. Those plastic bags that they knot are a pain to untie so the corkscrew really helps. And assuming at least 5 knots of plastic bag(fish, apples, pears, garlic, onion, etc) its worthit for me. Well i use a swisschamp so no problems lol.
:cheers: :salute:
Post by: theonew on April 10, 2017, 05:02:39 AM
Post by: thatotherguy on April 14, 2017, 05:47:58 AM
Perhaps I need to pick up a small tinker (I like 84mm cellidor...) and a spartan or a waiter at some point, just to say I've got a tinker (aside from my super tinker and my Delemont equivalent to the small tinker) and a corkscrew... for posterity, you know? :whistle:
Post by: Danjo on April 14, 2017, 07:56:54 AM
Post by: an0nemus on August 06, 2017, 06:07:13 AM
Phillips for me. I absolutely hate the way the corkscrew the handle feel.
+1
Corkscrew ruins the smooth, sleek lines of a SAK.
A decent Phillips is crucial for me. The backspring Phillips on my Tinker has proved its utility many times over the years.
Would never buy any SAK with a corkscrew, unless it also offered an inline Phillips, like the Wenger S557.
.
+2
Exactly how I feel about this matter :cheers:
Post by: El Corkscrew on August 06, 2017, 07:50:11 AM
Post by: an0nemus on August 09, 2017, 03:20:43 AM
:salute:I guess the best answer is get both. After getting a Hiker, I now have a Spartan. I'm curious to experience which will be more useful for me
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/1ae97167f3cbd2ab81bc7c232cdccd42.jpg)
Post by: theonew on August 09, 2017, 03:58:17 AM
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
Post by: Faddy Daddy on August 09, 2017, 04:07:27 AM
Having a phillips driver, to me, is absolutely essential. 90%* of the things I am likely to be able to fix are hidden behind phillips screws. But the back layer phillips is a lie, it makes you think you actually have a phillips driver but when you go to use it in the 70%* of situations where the screw is located near an obstacle, its only function will be to poke your eyes out to relieve the stress. At least with a corkscrew you can open a bottle of wine to help in that regard.
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
Ha ha ha, well said and I couldn't agree more! :tu:
Corkscrew for me, seeing a Phillips on the back just seems out of place to my learned perception of a SAK.
Post by: an0nemus on August 09, 2017, 04:26:23 AM
Having a phillips driver, to me, is absolutely essential. 90%* of the things I am likely to be able to fix are hidden behind phillips screws. But the back layer phillips is a lie, it makes you think you actually have a phillips driver but when you go to use it in the 70%* of situations where the screw is located near an obstacle, its only function will be to poke your eyes out to relieve the stress. At least with a corkscrew you can open a bottle of wine to help in that regard.How about these.....
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/e58dcbdecf6ad3abbc3e028b89e8d359.jpg)
Post by: cody6268 on August 09, 2017, 04:27:45 AM
Having a phillips driver, to me, is absolutely essential. 90%* of the things I am likely to be able to fix are hidden behind phillips screws. But the back layer phillips is a lie, it makes you think you actually have a phillips driver but when you go to use it in the 70%* of situations where the screw is located near an obstacle, its only function will be to poke your eyes out to relieve the stress. At least with a corkscrew you can open a bottle of wine to help in that regard.How about these.....
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/e58dcbdecf6ad3abbc3e028b89e8d359.jpg)
That's a concept I wish those who built quality products would take on. I have several knives like this, both from childhood and used lots, and none of those tools work quite right--except as always, the No. 1 Phillips works great.
Post by: an0nemus on August 09, 2017, 04:34:06 AM
Having a phillips driver, to me, is absolutely essential. 90%* of the things I am likely to be able to fix are hidden behind phillips screws. But the back layer phillips is a lie, it makes you think you actually have a phillips driver but when you go to use it in the 70%* of situations where the screw is located near an obstacle, its only function will be to poke your eyes out to relieve the stress. At least with a corkscrew you can open a bottle of wine to help in that regard.How about these.....(http://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji16.png)
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170809/e58dcbdecf6ad3abbc3e028b89e8d359.jpg)
That's a concept I wish those who built quality products would take on. I have several knives like this, both from childhood and used lots, and none of those tools work quite right--except as always, the No. 1 Phillips works great.
I guess quality makers won't build products like these as they will decrease their sales; or maybe its better to offer different models for different segments. In the end, its about profit.
Cheap tools like these are really good only for very, very, very light duties...at best.
Post by: strmliner on August 09, 2017, 04:44:27 AM
A few that I carry have both Phillips & CS. Other times it depends on what I'm off to do (ie, work, party, etc.) that determines which I carry. :drink:
Post by: MacGyver on August 09, 2017, 11:53:38 AM
Having a phillips driver, to me, is absolutely essential. 90%* of the things I am likely to be able to fix are hidden behind phillips screws. But the back layer phillips is a lie, it makes you think you actually have a phillips driver but when you go to use it in the 70%* of situations where the screw is located near an obstacle, its only function will be to poke your eyes out to relieve the stress. At least with a corkscrew you can open a bottle of wine to help in that regard.
A corkscrew and one of these on your keyring https://countycomm.com/products/screw-key-ring-set is a much better bet.
*These percentages are pulled from my smurf but are probably not too far off. :)
Being a well known Tinker fan (Phillips SD) it may seem strange to say that i generally agree with you, but i do actually, for the most part.
I admit i in reality, the love the back Phillips SD a bit more for it's looks, hand comfort and pocket slimness than for some overwhelming usability of it in that location. I really only use it these days to take apart a office mouse for cleaning, or tighten a loose outlet socket or other very light torque stuff like that. After bending the liner and pin on my first super tinker taking the backplate of an office pc tower i stopped trusting that Phillips as a reliable SD for medium torque (or plus) stuff. :-\
And as strange as it may be, i actually like the corkscrew look and feel better on 3 layers and up Sak's... :ahhh Climber comes to mind... :climber:
For some reason i just like it better than my super tinker.
As far as more serious Phillips or other SD's use with a Sak go i'll stick with my idea of using the bottle opener with the hex bits i modded, the one posted here:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,69632.0.html Never failed me, and that's one of the main reason's the standard opening layer is essential to me on a sak :cheers:
Post by: twiliter on August 09, 2017, 01:04:38 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on August 09, 2017, 03:56:13 PM
Corkscrew+1! :tu: :Dorand Phillips. :tu:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYKDNj5.jpg)
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Post by: El Corkscrew on August 09, 2017, 06:03:13 PM
Post by: Danjo on August 09, 2017, 06:11:00 PM
Post by: MacGyver on August 09, 2017, 06:28:56 PM
Why choose? Compact=left front pocket, Tinker= right front pocket
Aww maann... :facepalm: Just when i'm torn between my small tinker and my tourist and i'm trying to convince myself to rotate between the two and leave one at home while carrying another you throw this one.... :ahhh :ahhh
How can i not carry both now... you tell me... :pok:
Post by: Danjo on August 09, 2017, 06:35:33 PM
LOL. Yeah, sorry man.Why choose? Compact=left front pocket, Tinker= right front pocket
Aww maann... :facepalm: Just when i'm torn between my small tinker and my tourist and i'm trying to convince myself to rotate between the two and leave one at home while carrying another you throw this one.... :ahhh :ahhh
How can i not carry both now... you tell me... :pok:
Post by: theonew on August 09, 2017, 06:52:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5p2wDEV.jpg)
This four layer mod was my EDC for well over three years. She has a lot of miles on her. But somehow the inline phillips started to get on my nerves. It never failed me but if I had more than one or two screws to deal with I often found myself going for a better formed phillips driver (if available), one that really lets you know that it is firmly in place and doesn't require as much force to keep it from camming out. So I ended up putting the maratac phillips screw key on my keychain and a fresnel lens in my wallet and went back to a three layer SAK.
Post by: MacGyver on August 09, 2017, 07:00:05 PM
LOL. Yeah, sorry man.Why choose? Compact=left front pocket, Tinker= right front pocket
Aww maann... :facepalm: Just when i'm torn between my small tinker and my tourist and i'm trying to convince myself to rotate between the two and leave one at home while carrying another you throw this one.... :ahhh :ahhh
How can i not carry both now... you tell me... :pok:
:D :cheers:
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 06, 2017, 08:18:48 PM
Now, I see it differently. For campsite work, woodwork, I think it could be more useful than the Phillips.
It may be possible to bore into softer wood (e.g. of a tree trunk or log) and use the entire SAK as a tie off or anchor for something. Might not want to trust your body weight over a cliff with it, but it could have multiple uses.
So I stopped hating the tool. Now I look at it as a possible option to carry on the bush.
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Post by: theonew on September 06, 2017, 08:26:27 PM
The back spring phillips is all FAIL. The shaft is too thick to fit into most recessed screw slots where its modest reach might be useful. It only works if there are no obstructions around it. And when in the rare case that it does work, it is incredibly cumbersome to use, having to keep changing hand positions for each turn. Also it fails easily if anything more than a small amount of torque is used. (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,22553.msg416956.html#msg416956)
Basically it is a single use tool that fails in more applications than it succeeds in. A dreadful waste of space.
Now compare that to the multi-purpose corkscrew and multi-purpose mini-driver:
Corkscrew
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=40053.0
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,65298.msg1243349.html#msg1243349
https://youtu.be/RVmDds67ZiQ
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,25596.msg460308.html#msg460308
Mini-driver
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71279.msg1455211.html#msg1455211
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71279.msg1450311.html#msg1450311
Post by: Danjo on September 06, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on September 06, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
I used to be hard against the corkscrew. Couldn't see any reasonable modern use for it. For opening bottles of wine, it's marginal at best and requires a strong grip and shoulder strength since there is no good lever in it. Holding a mini driver is OK...cute little trick, but that doesn't justify the presence of the tool itself. I was a "persecutor of the church", if you will. Really detested the corkscrew.
Now, I see it differently. For campsite work, woodwork, I think it could be more useful than the Phillips.
It may be possible to bore into softer wood (e.g. of a tree trunk or log) and use the entire SAK as a tie off or anchor for something. Might not want to trust your body weight over a cliff with it, but it could have multiple uses.
So I stopped hating the tool. Now I look at it as a possible option to carry on the bush.
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Post by: Mechanickal on September 06, 2017, 09:29:47 PM
:rant:I used to be hard against the corkscrew. Couldn't see any reasonable modern use for it. For opening bottles of wine, it's marginal at best and requires a strong grip and shoulder strength since there is no good lever in it. Holding a mini driver is OK...cute little trick, but that doesn't justify the presence of the tool itself. I was a "persecutor of the church", if you will. Really detested the corkscrew.
Now, I see it differently. For campsite work, woodwork, I think it could be more useful than the Phillips.
It may be possible to bore into softer wood (e.g. of a tree trunk or log) and use the entire SAK as a tie off or anchor for something. Might not want to trust your body weight over a cliff with it, but it could have multiple uses.
So I stopped hating the tool. Now I look at it as a possible option to carry on the bush.
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And what makes you the godfather of cor...?
Never mind :whistle:
Post by: AmberDragon on September 06, 2017, 09:51:52 PM
For opening bottles of wine, it's marginal at best and requires a strong grip and shoulder strength since there is no good lever in it
You don't have to pull on the corkscrew, you can screw it in then wrap your hand around the neck of the bottle, snug it up to the bottom of your knife so the end with the corkscrew cutout rests in the space between your thumb and fingers, and push up against it. You get good leverage and can work the cork out easily.
Post by: SummitCOMike on September 06, 2017, 11:07:39 PM
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 06, 2017, 11:32:07 PM
True, I've done it that way a couple times too (although I forgot about that until you mentioned it), but I still consider it marginal compared to a dedicated corkscrew. I don't really drink alcohol often so for me, I rarely utilize a corkscrew. I've started to see the tool as a screw shaped piece of steel with a sharp tip. Perhaps it has limited utility, but I'm determined to find uses for it.For opening bottles of wine, it's marginal at best and requires a strong grip and shoulder strength since there is no good lever in it
You don't have to pull on the corkscrew, you can screw it in then wrap your hand around the neck of the bottle, snug it up to the bottom of your knife so the end with the corkscrew cutout rests in the space between your thumb and fingers, and push up against it. You get good leverage and can work the cork out easily.
The Phillips is easy to utilize, of course; although, it's seems like it's sort a "one trick pony".
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Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 07, 2017, 05:41:31 AM
...when I used the screwdriver on a tinker it felt like it should have been on the side and not the middle.I think the Phillips was an afterthought. I think they just replaced the corkscrew on a few models with it. The corkscrew has to be in the middle to work. At least that's my uneducated assumption.
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Post by: MacGyver on September 07, 2017, 11:33:08 AM
I used to be hard against the corkscrew. Couldn't see any reasonable modern use for it. For opening bottles of wine, it's marginal at best and requires a strong grip and shoulder strength since there is no good lever in it. Holding a mini driver is OK...cute little trick, but that doesn't justify the presence of the tool itself. I was a "persecutor of the church", if you will. Really detested the corkscrew.
Now, I see it differently. For campsite work, woodwork, I think it could be more useful than the Phillips.
It may be possible to bore into softer wood (e.g. of a tree trunk or log) and use the entire SAK as a tie off or anchor for something. Might not want to trust your body weight over a cliff with it, but it could have multiple uses.
So I stopped hating the tool. Now I look at it as a possible option to carry on the bush.
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I used to be firmly in that camp too, absolutely loved the Philips (and Tinker line) and hated the corkscrew because of the phillips felt smoother and didn't sticked out of the tool, and a SD is way more useful than a corkscrew (at least to "Tinkering" 'ol me... :facepalm:), after messing up the Philips on one of my super tinkers with moderate torque some time ago, my opinion change a bit about the usefulness on that specific Philips on that location. But i kept liking the Phillips for light use only and especially for it's looks and the way it makes the sak slimmer and smoother. So i continued to favor Philips models vs corkscrew for a while.
Lately my opinion change, and i'm very much split between the two, i've even been carrying more corkscrew models than Philips models these days.
The corkscrew is more because of the classic look, not really for the terrible need for it or having the micro SD there. Either one of them id more for the looks or feel than actual usefulness for me these days.
As far as SD goes, i always carry my modified bit's on my little coin pouch, so i really have no actual need of use for the backside Phillips, as for the corkscrew i really don't have mush need for it as a corkscrew as i don't drink whine often and if i do i have dedicated ones to use. As a multi purpose tool it can come in handy but it's not essential. As for the micro SD it comes in handy and i use it, but i don't actually mind very much if i can't carry it physically on the sak, besides that one of the bits i carry is the same size as Vic's micro SD, so that is always covered if i carry corkscrew or Phillips models.
One of the things i've come to realize is, even if corkscrew models don't feel as smooth on the hand as the corkscrew ones, a corkscrew model with the micro SD fitted feels ok, and actualy provide a better grip on the Sak overall than the Phillips ones :salute:
Like i've said, for me it's an even split between the two, but more for looks and feel than actual usability. I really only "need" on a 84/91mm sak for edc is the blades, opening layer and preferably an awl, everything else is just a bonus... :cheers:
Post by: Tired_Yeti on September 07, 2017, 01:31:50 PM
...I really only "need" on a 84/91mm sak for edc is the blades, opening layer and preferably an awl, everything else is just a bonus... :cheers:So you could happily get by with a Pioneer?
I think the minimum for me would either be a Pioneer X for the scissors or a Farmer for the saw. If I was *truly* limited to one for life, I'd take the Farmer. IMO, a sharp blade can handle jobs the scissors are for, but it couldn't handle the job of a saw.
So when it boils down, I guess I can manage without either the corkscrew or the side mounted #2 Phillips--as long as I can have a saw.
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Post by: lister on September 07, 2017, 01:36:31 PM
If and when they come out with the farmer X I will EDC that when possible. The fieldmaster is a bit more cuddly than a alox counterpart and thus less likely to freak people out.
I might also like a 84 mm version of fieldmaster if it exsisted... :climber:
Post by: MacGyver on September 07, 2017, 02:29:54 PM
...I really only "need" on a 84/91mm sak for edc is the blades, opening layer and preferably an awl, everything else is just a bonus... :cheers:So you could happily get by with a Pioneer?
I think the minimum for me would either be a Pioneer X for the scissors or a Farmer for the saw. If I was *truly* limited to one for life, I'd take the Farmer. IMO, a sharp blade can handle jobs the scissors are for, but it couldn't handle the job of a saw.
So when it boils down, I guess I can manage without either the corkscrew or the side mounted #2 Phillips--as long as I can have a saw.
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Well... yeah i could get by perfectly with a Pioneer, but it wouldn't be my first choice as a sak edc (regular urban at least). I'm a cellidor guy as far as sak's go, a Pioneer as much as i like it and as much as it is tougher than cellidor models, to me it just looks like a regular (high quality) pocket knife. I would prefer to edc a recruit over a Pioneer (or cadet) any day
A Swiss Army Knife to me has to have cellidor red handles with the inlaid cross and shield logo apart from everything else, it's just something deep in my mind from very early childhood that has stuck till this day. :cheers:
Post by: strmliner on September 07, 2017, 08:22:25 PM
...when I used the screwdriver on a tinker it felt like it should have been on the side and not the middle.I think the Phillips was an afterthought. I think they just replaced the corkscrew on a few models with it. The corkscrew has to be in the middle to work. At least that's my uneducated assumption.
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From what others here have shared over the years, it was primarily the American market in the '40s and '50s that really drove the backside phillips. Generally speaking, back in those days, Euros drank wine while Americans didn't very much. :drink:
Post by: Zhenchok on September 07, 2017, 08:31:45 PM
...when I used the screwdriver on a tinker it felt like it should have been on the side and not the middle.I think the Phillips was an afterthought. I think they just replaced the corkscrew on a few models with it. The corkscrew has to be in the middle to work. At least that's my uneducated assumption.
Makes sense, I also wonder if certain countires used phillips more than others.
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From what others here have shared over the years, it was primarily the American market in the '40s and '50s that really drove the backside phillips. Generally speaking, back in those days, Euros drank wine while Americans didn't very much. :drink:
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 10, 2018, 03:56:34 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 10, 2018, 03:57:40 AM
In the spirit of starting polls, I thought I'd start this one. :D
So, which do you prefer? For me a SAK just has to have a corkscrew (not including glorious Alox :drool:). I hardly ever need one, but cellidor SAK's just scream corkscrew to me and I always have a phillips on my multitool.
Benner, we're cut from the same cloth. Hope you're checking in on this thread 9 years later. :D :cheers: :salute:
Post by: Borg on February 10, 2018, 02:32:50 PM
Post by: Wspeed on February 10, 2018, 03:08:23 PM
But I do like the corkscrew as it holds the tiny flathead screwdriver :think:
Post by: Greg Jones on February 10, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
Post by: McStitchy on February 10, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
Personally I couldn't decide so I ended up with multiple different SAKs (went from DeLue Tinker to Ranger...).
The closest "solution" to have both functions would be a Swisschamp or Cybertool 41 maybe.
I use the corkscrew for example to help untie shoelaces when they got wet.
(https://i.imgur.com/qUs8XS4.jpg)
... :oops: sorry for the un-SAKky pic
As for the backside Philips I find that it has better grip than the inline one. But I do need to be careful not to overtorque it :whistle:
(https://i.imgur.com/SO2b61P.jpg)
Post by: Greg Jones on February 17, 2018, 06:11:47 PM
Corkscrew all the way, I'm a working Mechanic and I see no use for a stubby t-handle Phillips, an inline would be useful though and I use the end of the can opener all the time on #2 Phillips when it's convenient to reach into my pocket and extreme torque isn't required
Well, after saying this I purchased a Fieldmaster, I guess I'll see if I was right
:ahhh
Post by: Nick4 on February 17, 2018, 11:23:53 PM
First, it’s works fine (for me) as a wine bottle opener; and it's a great tool to untie knots too.
Second, it holds the micro screwdriver (I wear glasses, so it’s a very good option for me).
And the last, but not least: hоw to differ a soldier from an officer? Only by the presence of a corkscrew in the knife. ;)
Post by: an0nemus on February 17, 2018, 11:38:48 PM
:climber:
Post by: Thunderpants on February 17, 2018, 11:47:26 PM
Furthermore, as someone mentions just a few inches up this page, phillips screwdrivers wear down quite quickly. Use a corkscrew for its intended purpose and it should last forever. Use a phillips for its intended purpose and it probably won't last an afternoon of, uh, serious screwing. Settle down, Beavis!
Post by: MaverickMCS on February 18, 2018, 12:42:23 AM
Most of the times when I needed a phillips screwdriver I could improvise something, or I had propper tools readily avaliable. To me, corkscrew+small screwdriver have way more uses than just the phillips driver.
Post by: ThePeacent on February 18, 2018, 04:29:49 PM
Backside Phillips is too awkward to use, corkscrew has sooo many uses :ahhh
Post by: hiraethus on February 19, 2018, 12:29:28 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on February 19, 2018, 03:17:24 PM
Post by: hiraethus on February 19, 2018, 03:18:08 PM
:D
Post by: Thunderpants on February 19, 2018, 04:58:47 PM
Post by: Greg Jones on February 19, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
A far more interesting question would have been Philips or Panasonic...
:rofl:
Post by: Captain Hook on July 22, 2018, 07:02:42 PM
If could only carry the SAK it would be:
Victorinox-> Corkscrew
Wenger-> Phillip's
Post by: Don Pablo on July 22, 2018, 07:38:07 PM
A far more interesting question would have been Philips or Panasonic...Philips doesn’t sell eneloops.
So, Panasonic. ;)
Post by: King on July 22, 2018, 07:48:15 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on July 22, 2018, 08:01:34 PM
Post by: Huntsman on July 24, 2018, 03:53:56 AM
Post by: docfossil on July 25, 2018, 03:01:00 AM
Post by: MacGyver on July 29, 2018, 05:50:31 PM
I'll have to say that i've been on both camps, each at a time, through the years... I believe now i have one foot on each camp (50-50) now.
If anything for regular urban/suburban edc the Philips models get more use just because there is less bulk and the sak looks more sleek, but not really because either of the tool's "actual" use. I don't drink wine, and i've already have a driver bit same as the micro SD on my pocket kit so i don't really "need" another one on the Sak, and also the backside Phillips can only really take light torque so not much degree of more heavy usability.
So one Vs another as far as function goes, for me, it's really irrelevant. It's more a matter of aesthetics/feel than anything else for me now... :cheers:
Post by: McStitchy on July 30, 2018, 09:40:24 PM
In that regard the Outrider with its #0/1 inline Phillips and corkscrew suddenly makes a lot of sense to me :D
(https://i.imgur.com/zX2TnZV.jpg)
Also I have to deal more with glasses lately (mini screwdriver) and as shown a couple of posts up, I do use the corkscrew in autumn/winter often to untie wet laces after riding my bike in rain.
Post by: El Corkscrew on July 30, 2018, 09:43:59 PM
When I figured out that the can opener is a good #2 Phillips driver I've switched sides to the corkscrew team :salute::like: :tu: :D
In that regard the Outrider with its #0/1 inline Phillips and corkscrew suddenly makes a lot of sense to me :D
(https://i.imgur.com/zX2TnZV.jpg)
Also I have to deal more with glasses lately (mini screwdriver) and as shown a couple of posts up, I do use the corkscrew in autumn/winter often to untie wet laces after riding my bike in rain.
That Outrider looks great!
Post by: McStitchy on July 30, 2018, 10:14:46 PM
It's the slide lock version still.
I prefer the more sturdy saw and the sewing eye on the awl :salute:
Post by: Don Pablo on July 30, 2018, 10:49:10 PM
+1 :like: :like: :like:When I figured out that the can opener is a good #2 Phillips driver I've switched sides to the corkscrew team :salute::like: :tu: :D
In that regard the Outrider with its #0/1 inline Phillips and corkscrew suddenly makes a lot of sense to me :D
(https://i.imgur.com/zX2TnZV.jpg)
Also I have to deal more with glasses lately (mini screwdriver) and as shown a couple of posts up, I do use the corkscrew in autumn/winter often to untie wet laces after riding my bike in rain.
That Outrider looks great!
Post by: McStitchy on July 31, 2018, 08:08:39 AM
Post by: Sawl Goodman on July 31, 2018, 09:55:26 AM
I've been using a Camper a lot lately and am so tired of the CS gouging my palm and thumb that I'm waiting for a Hiker to hitch a lift to my pocket. :tu:
Post by: ElevenBlade on February 15, 2020, 03:58:11 PM
The ongoing Fieldmaster challenge has sparked my interest in this age old question....
I've preferred the corkscrew, in theory, for many years... Since in reality I have EDCed an alox soldier for the better part of 12 years and carried neither one.
My theoretical preference for the corkscrew has made me partial to the Huntsman over the Fieldmaster. But alas, last month I have my Huntsman to a friend and now there's a gap in my collection. The Fieldmaster just might fill that space. But I'm not sure... I definitely use the micro SD in the corkscrew, that's for certain. I don't suppose I keep a mental note of every time I use the can opener as a Phillips, or the corkscrew. :think:
Fellow Knights! :SAKnight: :SAKnight:
I call upon thee to use the upcoming SAK Stack challenge to help answer this question!
Carve a notch in your walking staff for each time you make a kill with the corkscrew or the Phillips!
At the end, we may have a better idea of what tool is better as an EDC. Understanding that neither tool is ideal or perfect... That normal people 😂 would reach for an actual screwdriver or wine opener if given the chance, and conversely, that most of us use the corkscrew as a marlinspike... Percieved need aside, which tool is actually more useful in the pocket for whatever reason arises. Which tool is the duct tape in your kit?
Post by: 39hotrod on February 15, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
Post by: Rapidray on February 15, 2020, 04:42:17 PM
Post by: Steelej1976 on February 24, 2020, 05:12:44 PM
I will say though I currently EDC a Super Tinker (which I love), I have been looking at getting a Sportsman or Climber just because the Corkscrew is cool!
Post by: Aloha on February 24, 2020, 06:46:30 PM
Post by: nate j on February 25, 2020, 05:29:27 AM
For the type of work I do (electronics) the Phillips is my choice. The can opener works good for most Phillips screws but I find I frequently run into recessed screws. The T handle isn't great but the backside Phillips can access deeper recessed screws better then say a Leatherman Wave. It's not perfect but in a pinch it works good and I do find I use it over the can opener whenever I can.
I will say though I currently EDC a Super Tinker (which I love), I have been looking at getting a Sportsman or Climber just because the Corkscrew is cool!
Welcome aboard! :cheers:
You might consider an Explorer, which would get you the corkscrew (which is cool 8) ) & end-mounted Phillips.
Post by: Steelej1976 on February 25, 2020, 05:09:23 PM
Welcome aboard! :cheers:
You might consider an Explorer, which would get you the corkscrew (which is cool 8) ) & end-mounted Phillips.
Thanks! I was considering the Explorer just not sure about that extra layer. The Spartan Lite looked interesting too but don't know how great that light would actually be.
Post by: nate j on February 25, 2020, 05:36:08 PM
Thanks! I was considering the Explorer just not sure about that extra layer. The Spartan Lite looked interesting too but don't know how great that light would actually be.
My experience (as long as the SAKs all have 4 layers or fewer) is that adding or subtracting a layer feels weird for a while, and then you get used to it, but YMMV. Some people have a “hard limit” of 3 or even 2 layers. Five or more layers never felt right in the hand to me, but some folks happily EDC a Swisschamp.
The lights/lites are not great, especially by modern LED flashlight standards. IMO, if you need a small light, you’re much better off with a dedicated 1xAAA keychain light. C’mon down to the Flashlight sub forum if you want specific suggestions.
Post by: Steelej1976 on February 26, 2020, 03:22:40 AM
My experience (as long as the SAKs all have 4 layers or fewer) is that adding or subtracting a layer feels weird for a while, and then you get used to it, but YMMV. Some people have a “hard limit” of 3 or even 2 layers. Five or more layers never felt right in the hand to me, but some folks happily EDC a Swisschamp.
The lights/lites are not great, especially by modern LED flashlight standards. IMO, if you need a small light, you’re much better off with a dedicated 1xAAA keychain light. C’mon down to the Flashlight sub forum if you want specific suggestions.
Thanks again. You really got me thinking about that Explorer now, not that I needed to much convincing, lol.
Post by: theonew on February 26, 2020, 05:11:37 AM
Post by: nate j on February 26, 2020, 06:07:32 AM
Thanks again. You really got me thinking about that Explorer now, not that I needed to much convincing, lol.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
:D
Post by: ElevenBlade on February 26, 2020, 06:16:37 PM
Having a phillips capable of working with recessed screws has always been a requirement for me, but I also don't have much use for the nose hair trimming capabilities of 91mm scissors and thus bought an old Explorer Plus for a few bucks and removed the wasteful scissors layer. It is really easy to do.
I often have two SAK scissors with me... I use the smaller 58mm scissors for the recessed nose hairs. :dwts:
Post by: ulzhan on February 26, 2020, 07:46:50 PM
Post by: The Scrounger on May 28, 2020, 04:26:29 AM
As a kid I was always in the phillips driver camp because I believed the corkscrew was only useful for one thing and didn't know at the time that the can opener tip worked on phillips heads. This ideology did persuade me to ask for a Craftsman for Christmas when I was 14 though! After reading and learning about the can opener tip, I have been leaning towards the corkscrew camp ever since. Both tools do have their advantages, and makes deciding which knife to carry difficult at times.
Here's where I stand on each tool:
Phillips Driver:
Seems to only work in low-torque situations or else you can feel the liners starting to bend. Great for some recessed screws. T-handle is awkward and cumbersome at times, as many have already stated. Works well to loosen double-knots on my Five-Ten mountain bike shoes versus the CS. The laces are wide like on a skateboard shoe and the CS just pokes a hole in the middle. Also it works way better than the CS as a bike/car Schrader valve air-down tool. For those two reasons alone is why I carry an 84mm Tinker on my rides.
I have actually done a lot of research into fastener types and a major problem with the Phillips is the fastener design itself. Not sure how it ever became so popular, but it seems like either the driver or fastener, whichever has the softer steel, gets damaged if the fastener is too tight. Phillips drivers are disposed of more frequently than other types, in my experience and I've encountered so many soft Phillips screws where the driver just eats away at it and you cannot get it loose! There are much better fastener types out there.
Corkscrew:
I have not yet had the chance to use it for its intended purpose, as there is usually a dedicated one in the kitchen. I recently cleaned my bike's bottom bracket and needed a tool to get the leftover dirty grease out of the threads. The only tool I had lying around that could do the job without damaging the aluminum threads was the 5-turn CS on an early 1970's Spartan. Afterwards, I tried the CS on my modern Spartan and discovered that the tip was not as sharp as the old one and did not fit between the threads. Not to mention the fact that the old one sits slightly more flush. So even among Victorinox corkscrews, the old design is much better IMO. In addition to cleaning threads, I have used the CS to remove old o-rings and even as a split ring tool for heavy-duty rings and even a stubborn spring.
Nowadays in my EDC I prefer to to carry a SAK with a CS due to possibly needing to save the day at a party as well as the ingenuity purposes. The Phillips driver SAK's make good gifts for kids, because they may think as I once did about the corkscrew!
Post by: nate j on May 28, 2020, 05:30:26 AM
Thought I would let everyone know where stand on this debate!
As a kid I was always in the phillips driver camp because I believed the corkscrew was only useful for one thing and didn't know at the time that the can opener tip worked on phillips heads. This ideology did persuade me to ask for a Craftsman for Christmas when I was 14 though! After reading and learning about the can opener tip, I have been leaning towards the corkscrew camp ever since. Both tools do have their advantages, and makes deciding which knife to carry difficult at times.
Here's where I stand on each tool:
Phillips Driver:
Seems to only work in low-torque situations or else you can feel the liners starting to bend. Great for some recessed screws. T-handle is awkward and cumbersome at times, as many have already stated. Works well to loosen double-knots on my Five-Ten mountain bike shoes versus the CS. The laces are wide like on a skateboard shoe and the CS just pokes a hole in the middle. Also it works way better than the CS as a bike/car Schrader valve air-down tool. For those two reasons alone is why I carry an 84mm Tinker on my rides.
I have actually done a lot of research into fastener types and a major problem with the Phillips is the fastener design itself. Not sure how it ever became so popular, but it seems like either the driver or fastener, whichever has the softer steel, gets damaged if the fastener is too tight. Phillips drivers are disposed of more frequently than other types, in my experience and I've encountered so many soft Phillips screws where the driver just eats away at it and you cannot get it loose! There are much better fastener types out there.
Corkscrew:
I have not yet had the chance to use it for its intended purpose, as there is usually a dedicated one in the kitchen. I recently cleaned my bike's bottom bracket and needed a tool to get the leftover dirty grease out of the threads. The only tool I had lying around that could do the job without damaging the aluminum threads was the 5-turn CS on an early 1970's Spartan. Afterwards, I tried the CS on my modern Spartan and discovered that the tip was not as sharp as the old one and did not fit between the threads. Not to mention the fact that the old one sits slightly more flush. So even among Victorinox corkscrews, the old design is much better IMO. In addition to cleaning threads, I have used the CS to remove old o-rings and even as a split ring tool for heavy-duty rings and even a stubborn spring.
Nowadays in my EDC I prefer to to carry a SAK with a CS due to possibly needing to save the day at a party as well as the ingenuity purposes. The Phillips driver SAK's make good gifts for kids, because they may think as I once did about the corkscrew!
Welcome! :cheers:
I'm firmly in the CS camp myself, finding it (as you have) good for a myriad of tasks, while the backside Philips is rather limited in its application. Should you have to use it for its namesake purpose, I can assure you from personal experience it performs quite adequately.
Post by: cody6268 on May 28, 2020, 05:37:50 AM
Post by: Thunderpants on May 28, 2020, 01:39:07 PM
You know you want it!
Post by: EMZ on May 28, 2020, 08:30:00 PM
It's about time Victorinox killed this topic by inventing the Phillips-Corkscrew combo tool. A corkscrew with a Phillips at the end of it.
You know you want it!
:rofl:
Since the Phillips is useless anyway, it could be installed also at the beginning of the corkscrew. :D
Post by: ElevenBlade on May 28, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
:rofl:
Since the Phillips is useless anyway, it could be installed also at the beginning of the corkscrew. :D
:rofl: