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Title: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: NorCalJim on October 12, 2017, 12:10:43 AM
I am a firm believer that creativity and Swiss Army Knives go hand in hand as was frequently demonstrated by MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) so I am not the most sympathetic audience when someone complains about the multi-purpose hook. :)  On the other hand, some tools are so far down on my likelihood of using them, it is just a shame that they are not used for a more functional tool. The pharmaceutical spoon on my Minichamp is taking up space better used by a more useful tool. I feel the same way about the fish scaler.  Give me an inline awl in both cases and I would be happy.

What about you?

Jim

Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 12, 2017, 12:41:38 AM
I am a firm believer that creativity and Swiss Army Knives go hand in hand as was frequently demonstrated by MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) so I am not the most sympathetic audience when someone complains about the multi-purpose hook. :)  On the other hand, some tools are so far down on my likelihood of using them, it is just a shame that they are not used for a more functional tool. The pharmaceutical spoon on my Minichamp is taking up space better used by a more useful tool. I feel the same way about the fish scaler.  Give me an inline awl in both cases and I would be happy.

What about you?

Jim



The cuticle tool on the Minichamp, is probably the only tool on that I'd want that isn't already on the Rambler/Manager. Why? Snuff spoon! Taking a pinch of English snuff is fine, but Indian snuffs are oiled and very messy. A very "person specific" requirement, but that's why so many people like such different things.  :cheers:

Personal dislikes:

Fish tickler
Mag glass (particularly the 85mm one)
Anything with 84/93mm alox scales
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
85mm locking blade
Alligator wrench
There's probably more  :whistle:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: strmliner on October 12, 2017, 12:44:18 AM
I agree with an inline awl for the 91mm line, definitely. I also agree that the pharmaceutical spoon in the Minichamp is pretty worthless. I've had a couple of fish scalers on a few of my SAKs for over 35yrs and don't believe I've ever had an occasion to use one...ever, though if I lived somewhere else in the world where scaling fish was the norm (I'm a western US kind of guy), then maybe it's purpose would be served. However, even with all the group hugs over the value of the hook, I've no use for it and look for older versions without it.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 12, 2017, 01:19:23 AM
I am a firm believer that creativity and Swiss Army Knives go hand in hand as was frequently demonstrated by MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) so I am not the most sympathetic audience when someone complains about the multi-purpose hook. :)  On the other hand, some tools are so far down on my likelihood of using them, it is just a shame that they are not used for a more functional tool. The pharmaceutical spoon on my Minichamp is taking up space better used by a more useful tool. I feel the same way about the fish scaler.  Give me an inline awl in both cases and I would be happy.

What about you?

Jim
Corkscrew.
I know you're NorCal Jim so being in wine country, you probably think that's absurd. I don't drink wine. Literally, not even once a year. Outside of removing the cork, I see very limited use for it. It has a very specific, unique shape and (partially due to that), it bends very easily.

So for me, I have very little use for a corkscrew--on a SAK or anywhere else for that matter.


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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: GoatDragon on October 12, 2017, 01:48:13 AM
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
Why not the Cybertool, isn't that exactly what you are asking for? It even comes in three sizes so you can have your technician screwdrivers any way you like them!
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 12, 2017, 01:53:02 AM
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
Why not the Cybertool, isn't that exactly what you are asking for? It even comes in three sizes so you can have your technician screwdrivers any way you like them!
Sorry, I'll try to be clearer.

I like the Cybertool, but it does make for a bulky knife. They used to do a technicians driver which could be sited in lieu of the can opener or small blade on a 91mm model. Personally I have no need of two knife blades, and have found myself with a Climber or such in my pocket, and been unable to turn certain screws.

Here's the tool in question ...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Fine-Technician
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: NorCalJim on October 12, 2017, 02:06:08 AM
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
Why not the Cybertool, isn't that exactly what you are asking for? It even comes in three sizes so you can have your technician screwdrivers any way you like them!
Sorry, I'll try to be clearer.

I like the Cybertool, but it does make for a bulky knife. They used to do a technicians driver which could be sited in lieu of the can opener or small blade on a 91mm model. Personally I have no need of two knife blades, and have found myself with a Climber or such in my pocket, and been unable to turn certain screws.

Here's the tool in question ...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Fine-Technician

Thanks for the link explaining the driver you like. I continue to learn so much through posts like these.

:cheers:

Jim
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 12, 2017, 02:11:20 AM
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
Why not the Cybertool, isn't that exactly what you are asking for? It even comes in three sizes so you can have your technician screwdrivers any way you like them!
Sorry, I'll try to be clearer.

I like the Cybertool, but it does make for a bulky knife. They used to do a technicians driver which could be sited in lieu of the can opener or small blade on a 91mm model. Personally I have no need of two knife blades, and have found myself with a Climber or such in my pocket, and been unable to turn certain screws.

Here's the tool in question ...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Fine-Technician

Thanks for the link explaining the driver you like. I continue to learn so much through posts like these.

:cheers:

Jim

 :salute:

I might consider modding one from a can opener and try putting it in the small blade location, while still keeping a full can opener in it's own slot. There's too many other mods that I have planned first though  :D
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: NorCalJim on October 12, 2017, 02:13:58 AM
I am a firm believer that creativity and Swiss Army Knives go hand in hand as was frequently demonstrated by MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) so I am not the most sympathetic audience when someone complains about the multi-purpose hook. :)  On the other hand, some tools are so far down on my likelihood of using them, it is just a shame that they are not used for a more functional tool. The pharmaceutical spoon on my Minichamp is taking up space better used by a more useful tool. I feel the same way about the fish scaler.  Give me an inline awl in both cases and I would be happy.

What about you?

Jim
Corkscrew.
I know you're NorCal Jim so being in wine country, you probably think that's absurd. I don't drink wine. Literally, not even once a year. Outside of removing the cork, I see very limited use for it. It has a very specific, unique shape and (partially due to that), it bends very easily.

So for me, I have very little use for a corkscrew--on a SAK or anywhere else for that matter.


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I think the corkscrew fit better in an earlier time and place. I think the same could be said to some extent about the cap lifter and can opener considering twist-off caps and pull tabs, etc. The corkscrew does have some use for loosening knots and some other creative functions. I'm not a big fan of the corkscrew and gravitated towards the Tinker and Super Tinker instead of the Spartan and Climber. I've accepted it because of my partiality toward the Explorer and Swiss Champ.

Jim
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: NorCalJim on October 12, 2017, 02:20:00 AM
Absence of technician drivers across the range. Putting one on the back of the saw backspring doesn't count - we should be able to have one inline, other than the Cybertool or having to mod a can opener. They really should bring that tool back.
Why not the Cybertool, isn't that exactly what you are asking for? It even comes in three sizes so you can have your technician screwdrivers any way you like them!
Sorry, I'll try to be clearer.

I like the Cybertool, but it does make for a bulky knife. They used to do a technicians driver which could be sited in lieu of the can opener or small blade on a 91mm model. Personally I have no need of two knife blades, and have found myself with a Climber or such in my pocket, and been unable to turn certain screws.

Here's the tool in question ...

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Screwdriver-Fine-Technician

Thanks for the link explaining the driver you like. I continue to learn so much through posts like these.

:cheers:

Jim

 :salute:

I might consider modding one from a can opener and try putting it in the small blade location, while still keeping a full can opener in it's own slot. There's too many other mods that I have planned first though  :D

Modding is another area that I find fascinating. There seems to be a number of people who frequent this forum with modification abilities. I'm not looking to develop those abilities myself since I have enough hobbies but I still admire them in others (wonder if there are YouTube videos).

:tu:

Jim
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ironraven on October 12, 2017, 03:05:22 AM
Inline flashlight. Just.... sucks.

Vic Pliers. They are more like big tweezers or non locking hemostats.

And now for the heresy. The Cybertool is has possibility, but the execution fails. The tool is fine. The problem is the bits. Too limited options, way too expensive. If they'd put a magnet in the bottom of the 4mm holder, it would be better. Or if they replaced it with a 1/4" socket stud and it might not be bad, but easily over torqued, it's just not robust enough.

Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: theonew on October 12, 2017, 04:15:38 AM
Scissors. If you don't have a knife then scissors are quite handy. If you do have a knife then scissors are basically redundant. Now that I have reprofiled and sharpened the small clip point blade on my Wenger, I have been able to tackle that oft mentioned task of scissors fanatics - nose hair  :o  91mm scissors are the worst in that they take up a relatively thick layer compared to layers like the saw and file and only offer the hook as a back layer tool. They are basically a fun little gadget that may give the user an air of sophistication but really offer much less functionality than adding a serrated blade with a plain edge blade.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: holygoat on October 12, 2017, 04:40:23 AM
I can't stand the combo tool. No use as a driver (either kind), way worse at opening cans and bottles, not so good at light prying, no use for scraping… the dedicated openers together have so many more uses. Oh, and it's strangely ugly.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Steinar on October 12, 2017, 08:47:25 AM
Nailfile on the back of the hook. SAKs are pocket knives. Pocket knives should be more or less smooth when all tools are closed, because you should be able to pocket carry a pocket knife comfortably and without ruining other stuff you carry or your pockets themselves. Having an outside facing file loose in the pocket, is in my opinion a very bad idea.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 12, 2017, 09:57:36 AM
Nailfile on the back of the hook. SAKs are pocket knives. Pocket knives should be more or less smooth when all tools are closed, because you should be able to pocket carry a pocket knife comfortably and without ruining other stuff you carry or your pockets themselves. Having an outside facing file loose in the pocket, is in my opinion a very bad idea.

blasphemously put :D
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 12, 2017, 10:04:14 AM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: glenfiddich1983 on October 12, 2017, 10:46:09 AM
There are a couple of tools I barely use (like the fish scaler, chisel) but I wouldn't call them my least favorite. Those tools probably will do what they are made for. The tool I consider to be my least favorite is the combo tool. I have very ambivalent feelings about it. Yes, it's the only way to get rid of the opener layer while still keeping those functions. But the problem is that while it is a cap lifter and a can opener, it doesn't do any of those tasks very well.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 12, 2017, 10:59:56 AM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 12, 2017, 01:32:44 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Twist off bottle caps and pull tab cans are often not available in all parts of the world. Many developing countries do not have them at all, or in very small quantity. Even here in the US, many cans and bottles are not twist/tab. Plus, In the event of catastrophe, you may find yourself somewhere where regular bottles and cans have been stored for some time, and may not be as new as that. So I still want those on my SAK.

Scissors...I have more SAKS with scissors than saws (BSA Tinker, a Super Tinker from the 80's, and  Tinker Deluxe from 5 years ago) even though I am a firm believer that I would far more likely need the saw when outdoors roughing it. Then again, a lot of my LM' s have saws, and I always try to carry both a SAK and  LM. And before I carried an LM, I would camp with a small folding saw. So even though I don't have many, I still really like the saw.

Corkscrew. I use a Philips head more than a corkscrew, but I also like the idea of having a corkscrew on a SAK. Wish they made a 3 or 4 layer with both scales cut out...one side a Philips, the other a corkscrew. The awl could be center (replacing that Gawd awful hook) or inline. The corkscrew can be used to open wine for the lady while semi-roughing it, or in celebration at the top of a peak. Plus it can do near anything the hook can do.keep the corkscrew.

Fish scaler. Although I have no SAK fish scalers I do like them. Seems very useful when roughing it.

Yeah, I would say that my least favorite tool I have encountered on a SAK is the hook. I have only one SAK with the hook, and that was a gift to me. My friend who gave it to me was equally baffled by it, as it seemed so unnecessary. When making SAK purchases these days, if I want one with scissors, I actively seek out older models with no hook. I would rather have on older model with the crossbow stamped tang anyway.

Down with the hook!
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 12, 2017, 01:43:31 PM
Post Script,

The plyers on my Tinker Deluxe...I see what they are trying to do, but meh. The plyers on the LM Squirt PS4 are far, far superior in every way. Better purchase on the handles. Better leverage, better wire cutters, better spring. I will use the Tinker Deluxe plyers in a "pinch" (see what I did there), but I don't really care for them. I still don't dislike them as much as the hook, though - that useless waste of backspring.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ducttapetech on October 12, 2017, 01:57:13 PM
I know I am gonna catch some flack for this, but any 58mm SAKs. Wenger did a better job with there 65mm, and I still don't carry any of them. Now saying that, they are built very well and they do have there uses and some gentleman use them all of the time. My hat off to you guys. Me, they are to small and lack the tools I use.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 12, 2017, 03:24:58 PM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Thou speaketh the truth!  :salute:

Warning: People viewing my "Slim Fishy" mod may undergo temporary distress if they dislike the fish scaler.  :D
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 12, 2017, 03:27:10 PM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Thou speaketh the truth!  :salute:

Warning: People viewing my "Slim Fishy" mod may undergo temporary distress if they dislike the fish scaler.  :D
As far as I'm concerned the 'Slim Fishy' is an instant classic Pabs.  :salute: You will turn a few heads with that one hun.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 12, 2017, 03:41:25 PM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Thou speaketh the truth!  :salute:

Warning: People viewing my "Slim Fishy" mod may undergo temporary distress if they dislike the fish scaler.  :D
As far as I'm concerned the 'Slim Fishy' is an instant classic Pabs.  :salute: You will turn a few heads with that one hun.
You gain instant class when using the "Slim Fishy" to eat olives at a cocktail party. 8)
If I could change one thing on it, I would add a keyring (or bail!  :ahhh ) for easier neckcarry  :salute:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 12, 2017, 03:44:21 PM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Thou speaketh the truth!  :salute:

Warning: People viewing my "Slim Fishy" mod may undergo temporary distress if they dislike the fish scaler.  :D
As far as I'm concerned the 'Slim Fishy' is an instant classic Pabs.  :salute: You will turn a few heads with that one hun.
You gain instant class when using the "Slim Fishy" to eat olives at a cocktail party. 8)
If I could change one thing on it, I would add a keyring (or bail!  :ahhh ) for easier neckcarry  :salute:
Cocktail party? Olives?? that already makes you a classy dude Pabs  :hatsoff:

Last time I used my scaler was to clear a plug of hair from one of my residents sink. Not very classy. We live in different worlds Pabs.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 12, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Generally speaking, the back layer Phillips pretty much ruins a SAK for me... I'm like,"Hey! Get outta my spot!!"

I guess I'm not a huge fan of the wax scraper on my Wenger Ski Loper.. Though, nevermind, it's cool.

The idea of the fish scaler is getting more acceptable to me for some very rational reasons i won't get into.

That's my 33¢
I'm with you on the scaler M'Lord - very useful in certain circumstances so I'm sold on it.  :salute:

The one tool I really don't get is the combo tool. There's no weight to it and for the sake of a layer I find the can opener and cap lifter too darn useful.

100% for the in-line awl as standard in the 91mm range.
Thou speaketh the truth!  :salute:

Warning: People viewing my "Slim Fishy" mod may undergo temporary distress if they dislike the fish scaler.  :D
As far as I'm concerned the 'Slim Fishy' is an instant classic Pabs.  :salute: You will turn a few heads with that one hun.
You gain instant class when using the "Slim Fishy" to eat olives at a cocktail party. 8)
If I could change one thing on it, I would add a keyring (or bail!  :ahhh ) for easier neckcarry  :salute:
Cocktail party? Olives?? that already makes you a classy dude Pabs  :hatsoff:
Maybe the olives are not a surefire indicator of classiness... Many the common bar in some regions(like parts of spain) serve olives and other little snacks with your beer. :think:
Cocktail party though? Oh yeah.  8)
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 12, 2017, 03:54:59 PM
Ok ok, I'll go back on topic.  :P
I would nominate the Backside Phillips in stock SAKs.

Why the backside phillips? Because in its current position, a T-handle screwdriver, it implies that it can handle lots of torque, when really, because of a combination of a very small tang, thin aluminium liner sandwich, and 2.2mm brass pinstock holding it in place, it will irreparably twist out of its slot with relatively little torque(that the inline philips and maybe the can opener would be able to handle), damaging your SAK badly.   :ahhh

Now, if you were to use Ti liners, and 1/8" steel barrel pivots to hold it in place, like Syph does with his 91mm Ti mods, THEN its not so bad, because like that, it can walk as good as it talks.  :tu:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Forklift on October 12, 2017, 04:57:00 PM
Ok ok, I'll go back on topic.  :P
I would nominate the Backside Phillips in stock SAKs.

Why the backside phillips? Because in its current position, a T-handle screwdriver, it implies that it can handle lots of torque, when really, because of a combination of a very small tang, thin aluminium liner sandwich, and 2.2mm brass pinstock holding it in place, it will irreparably twist out of its slot with relatively little torque(that the inline philips and maybe the can opener would be able to handle), damaging your SAK badly.   :ahhh

Now, if you were to use Ti liners, and 1/8" steel barrel pivots to hold it in place, like Syph does with his 91mm Ti mods, THEN its not so bad, because like that, it can walk as good as it talks.  :tu:
Has anyone ever done a test comparing the strength of the backside phillips and the can opener tip.  I've never damaged either as I stop before I do any damage.  The phillips is easy to know how far you can push it because you can start feeling the knife flex.  It seems to me that you can put more torque on the backside phillips, but I don't know at what point exactly the can opener tip will bend.  I've noticed that the 111 backside phillips handles much more torque- at least on the 2-3 layer liner lock models, that may not be the case with the slide locks or 4+ layer knives.
Either way it is much easier to repair an over-torqued can opener tip.  I've fixed that on a 2nd hand knife before.
Title: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Zhenchok on October 12, 2017, 05:15:36 PM
I’ll be honest I do not like having a nail file on any Sak or Wagner.  It does work well and I do find it useful from time to time, but I feel like I’m carrying a gimmick tool when my tool has it and wish it was a small knife instead. I do like having one on the classic because it’s mostly a dedicated nail clipper for me.  As a guy I rarely need to file my nails and the knife turns me off when I see the nail file.


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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Nix on October 12, 2017, 05:49:08 PM
I’ll be honest I do not like having a nail file on any Sak or Wagner.  It does work well and I do find it useful from time to time, but I feel like I’m carrying a gimmick tool when my tool has it and wish it was a small knife instead.

Funny, I'm the exact opposite. If a SAK has a large and small blade, my instantaneous thought is "too bad they didn't replace the small blade with a nail file." I find I'm drawn to more utility per layer.

Oh, there's no way I'm giving up my hook. .....or corkscrew.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 12, 2017, 05:50:12 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Zhenchok on October 12, 2017, 05:54:54 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:

Really?, I thought that the regular opener would do a much better job than the combo.  I think because the regular tool is sharp vs. the combo. Actually thought that the combo on my waiter was more of a gimic, I havent used it yet.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Zhenchok on October 12, 2017, 05:55:47 PM
I’ll be honest I do not like having a nail file on any Sak or Wagner.  It does work well and I do find it useful from time to time, but I feel like I’m carrying a gimmick tool when my tool has it and wish it was a small knife instead.

Funny, I'm the exact opposite. If a SAK has a large and small blade, my instantaneous thought is "too bad they didn't replace the small blade with a nail file." I find I'm drawn to more utility per layer.

Oh, there's no way I'm giving up my hook. .....or corkscrew.

I just dont really see myself filing my nails :) I tried it myself and felt that using clippers is more efficient.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 12, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
I’ll be honest I do not like having a nail file on any Sak or Wagner.  It does work well and I do find it useful from time to time, but I feel like I’m carrying a gimmick tool when my tool has it and wish it was a small knife instead.

Funny, I'm the exact opposite. If a SAK has a large and small blade, my instantaneous thought is "too bad they didn't replace the small blade with a nail file." I find I'm drawn to more utility per layer.

Oh, there's no way I'm giving up my hook. .....or corkscrew.

I just dont really see myself filing my nails :) I tried it myself and felt that using clippers is more efficient.

I file my nails sometimes but don't like a nail file on a medium knife,I've awlways got a 58mm on the key chain so if I need a file, it's there. 
On a side note, the only thing that bothers me about the combo tool is it's not as sturdy as the cap lifter and more caution must be exercised when using it as a prying tool.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 12, 2017, 07:03:48 PM
Ok ok, I'll go back on topic.  :P
I would nominate the Backside Phillips in stock SAKs.

Why the backside phillips? Because in its current position, a T-handle screwdriver, it implies that it can handle lots of torque, when really, because of a combination of a very small tang, thin aluminium liner sandwich, and 2.2mm brass pinstock holding it in place, it will irreparably twist out of its slot with relatively little torque(that the inline philips and maybe the can opener would be able to handle), damaging your SAK badly.   :ahhh

Now, if you were to use Ti liners, and 1/8" steel barrel pivots to hold it in place, like Syph does with his 91mm Ti mods, THEN its not so bad, because like that, it can walk as good as it talks.  :tu:
Has anyone ever done a test comparing the strength of the backside phillips and the can opener tip.  I've never damaged either as I stop before I do any damage.  The phillips is easy to know how far you can push it because you can start feeling the knife flex.  It seems to me that you can put more torque on the backside phillips, but I don't know at what point exactly the can opener tip will bend.  I've noticed that the 111 backside phillips handles much more torque- at least on the 2-3 layer liner lock models, that may not be the case with the slide locks or 4+ layer knives.
Either way it is much easier to repair an over-torqued can opener tip.  I've fixed that on a 2nd hand knife before.
Possibly the backside Phillips on the liner lock models is a wee bit stronger, due to one of the liners being made of stainless steel. But you still need to consider the aluminium liner on the other side.
Side lock models? Definitely as weak as the 91/84mm models.

I know Mr.Whippy took the 91mm bottle opener to 20 Nm before the tip broke off, but I don't know about the can opener or backside phillips. :think:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 12, 2017, 07:15:41 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:

I have found that different cans work better with different openers.

I’ll be honest I do not like having a nail file on any Sak or Wagner.  It does work well and I do find it useful from time to time, but I feel like I’m carrying a gimmick tool when my tool has it and wish it was a small knife instead. I do like having one on the classic because it’s mostly a dedicated nail clipper for me.  As a guy I rarely need to file my nails and the knife turns me off when I see the nail file.


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I don't mind having a second blade if it is distictly different, for example if the main blade is serrated, or the second blade is a pruner. If they are both spear point blades, then I would rather have a different tool with different function. I don't use a nail file often, but it's a heck of a lot better than repeating something that's already there

Ok ok, I'll go back on topic.  :P
I would nominate the Backside Phillips in stock SAKs.

Why the backside phillips? Because in its current position, a T-handle screwdriver, it implies that it can handle lots of torque, when really, because of a combination of a very small tang, thin aluminium liner sandwich, and 2.2mm brass pinstock holding it in place, it will irreparably twist out of its slot with relatively little torque(that the inline philips and maybe the can opener would be able to handle), damaging your SAK badly.   :ahhh

Now, if you were to use Ti liners, and 1/8" steel barrel pivots to hold it in place, like Syph does with his 91mm Ti mods, THEN its not so bad, because like that, it can walk as good as it talks.  :tu:
Has anyone ever done a test comparing the strength of the backside phillips and the can opener tip.  I've never damaged either as I stop before I do any damage.  The phillips is easy to know how far you can push it because you can start feeling the knife flex.  It seems to me that you can put more torque on the backside phillips, but I don't know at what point exactly the can opener tip will bend.  I've noticed that the 111 backside phillips handles much more torque- at least on the 2-3 layer liner lock models, that may not be the case with the slide locks or 4+ layer knives.
Either way it is much easier to repair an over-torqued can opener tip.  I've fixed that on a 2nd hand knife before.
Possibly the backside Phillips on the liner lock models is a wee bit stronger, due to one of the liners being made of stainless steel. But you still need to consider the aluminium liner on the other side.
Side lock models? Definitely as weak as the 91/84mm models.

I know Mr.Whippy took the 91mm bottle opener to 20 Nm before the tip broke off, but I don't know about the can opener or backside phillips. :think:

The issue is not so much the pin or liner, but the size of the tang.

Pressure = Force / Area     Force = Torque / Radius

The same torque on the inline Phillips will do less harm, as the pressure is lessened due to being spread over a greater supporting area, and greater radius from the axis of rotation
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Frailer on October 12, 2017, 07:51:51 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:

Really?, I thought that the regular opener would do a much better job than the combo.  I think because the regular tool is sharp vs. the combo. Actually thought that the combo on my waiter was more of a gimic, I havent used it yet.

As was mentioned previously, it depends on the can (e.g. cans made of heavier gauge metal are pierced more easily with the standard can opener tool), but for most cans the combo tool will often do a quicker—if a bit sloppier—job. Because of the way it works, the combo tool cuts a longer distance with each stroke.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Zhenchok on October 12, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:

Really?, I thought that the regular opener would do a much better job than the combo.  I think because the regular tool is sharp vs. the combo. Actually thought that the combo on my waiter was more of a gimic, I havent used it yet.

As was mentioned previously, it depends on the can (e.g. cans made of heavier gauge metal are pierced more easily with the standard can opener tool), but for most cans the combo tool will often do a quicker—if a bit sloppier—job. Because of the way it works, the combo tool cuts a longer distance with each stroke.

interesting, havent used either much to compare
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 12, 2017, 08:14:45 PM
I will challenge anyone to a can and bottle opening match with the combo tool versus the regular openers.  I'm confident it does both better and faster. :duel:

Really?, I thought that the regular opener would do a much better job than the combo.  I think because the regular tool is sharp vs. the combo. Actually thought that the combo on my waiter was more of a gimic, I havent used it yet.

I have had instances where both have struggled, and switching to the other made life easier.
Both will get the job done, but some cans seem to favour one type or the other.

As was mentioned previously, it depends on the can (e.g. cans made of heavier gauge metal are pierced more easily with the standard can opener tool), but for most cans the combo tool will often do a quicker—if a bit sloppier—job. Because of the way it works, the combo tool cuts a longer distance with each stroke.

interesting, havent used either much to compare
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: strmliner on October 12, 2017, 09:53:00 PM

Corkscrew.
I know you're NorCal Jim so being in wine country, you probably think that's absurd. I don't drink wine. Literally, not even once a year. Outside of removing the cork, I see very limited use for it. It has a very specific, unique shape and (partially due to that), it bends very easily.

So for me, I have very little use for a corkscrew--on a SAK or anywhere else for that matter.


Yeti, I get why you don't like the CS...if you don't drink wine or buy liquid products stopped with a cork, you have no need for the CS. Based on all the SAK history since WW2, it's why Vx started offering the backside phillips in North America...most people in North America didn't drink wine back then, and probably most still don't.

I drink wine and have used the CS dozens of times since my first Champion to open a bottle. The CS on my SAKs have saved the day more than any other single tool excepting the large blade and the scissors over the years. 

We all have different tastes and make personal choices. :cheers:  That's why the variety of choices regarding SAK tool selection is so interesting...I do like learning how others here view their choices.  :tu:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: VICMAN on October 12, 2017, 10:33:40 PM
I am a firm believer that creativity and Swiss Army Knives go hand in hand as was frequently demonstrated by MacGyver (Richard Dean Anderson) so I am not the most sympathetic audience when someone complains about the multi-purpose hook. :)  On the other hand, some tools are so far down on my likelihood of using them, it is just a shame that they are not used for a more functional tool. The pharmaceutical spoon on my Minichamp is taking up space better used by a more useful tool. I feel the same way about the fish scaler.  Give me an inline awl in both cases and I would be happy.

What about you?

Jim
Corkscrew.
I know you're NorCal Jim so being in wine country, you probably think that's absurd. I don't drink wine. Literally, not even once a year. Outside of removing the cork, I see very limited use for it. It has a very specific, unique shape and (partially due to that), it bends very easily.

So for me, I have very little use for a corkscrew--on a SAK or anywhere else for that matter.


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I have never used the corkscrew to remove a cork, but I have used the corkscrew a number of times to loosen tight knots in rope, shoestrings, or paracord.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: VICMAN on October 12, 2017, 10:51:56 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Twist off bottle caps and pull tab cans are often not available in all parts of the world. Many developing countries do not have them at all, or in very small quantity. Even here in the US, many cans and bottles are not twist/tab. Plus, In the event of catastrophe, you may find yourself somewhere where regular bottles and cans have been stored for some time, and may not be as new as that. So I still want those on my SAK.

Scissors...I have more SAKS with scissors than saws (BSA Tinker, a Super Tinker from the 80's, and  Tinker Deluxe from 5 years ago) even though I am a firm believer that I would far more likely need the saw when outdoors roughing it. Then again, a lot of my LM' s have saws, and I always try to carry both a SAK and  LM. And before I carried an LM, I would camp with a small folding saw. So even though I don't have many, I still really like the saw.

Corkscrew. I use a Philips head more than a corkscrew, but I also like the idea of having a corkscrew on a SAK. Wish they made a 3 or 4 layer with both scales cut out...one side a Philips, the other a corkscrew. The awl could be center (replacing that Gawd awful hook) or inline. The corkscrew can be used to open wine for the lady while semi-roughing it, or in celebration at the top of a peak. Plus it can do near anything the hook can do.keep the corkscrew.

Fish scaler. Although I have no SAK fish scalers I do like them. Seems very useful when roughing it.

Yeah, I would say that my least favorite tool I have encountered on a SAK is the hook. I have only one SAK with the hook, and that was a gift to me. My friend who gave it to me was equally baffled by it, as it seemed so unnecessary. When making SAK purchases these days, if I want one with scissors, I actively seek out older models with no hook. I would rather have on older model with the crossbow stamped tang anyway.

Down with the hook!

I have found the hook to be useful.

  I work part time at a restaurant and put away truck deliveries early in the morning. One day the delivery driver knocked on the back door to be let in and I asked him if he lost his key. He said he had just dropped the key ring down a steel grate by the curb outside. I could see the key ring about 3 feet below the grate.
   I told him I could get the keys.  I opened the hook on my Super Tinker and made a loop in some paracord and cinched the cord around the Super Tinker and lowered it through the grate. It took about 2 minutes for me to finally get the hook to catch the keyring and pull it up out of the hole.
   The driver really appreciated it because he was dreading telling his supervisor he had dropped the keys down a grate.

I have also used it to pull out the hot shelf of an oven partially to remove food.

I have used it to open a drawer that both knobs had come off of . It had a decorative key hole in the center of the drawer, so I just inserted the hook and opened the drawer.

I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy if you think outside the box when you run into a problem.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 12, 2017, 10:56:11 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Twist off bottle caps and pull tab cans are often not available in all parts of the world. Many developing countries do not have them at all, or in very small quantity. Even here in the US, many cans and bottles are not twist/tab. Plus, In the event of catastrophe, you may find yourself somewhere where regular bottles and cans have been stored for some time, and may not be as new as that. So I still want those on my SAK.

Scissors...I have more SAKS with scissors than saws (BSA Tinker, a Super Tinker from the 80's, and  Tinker Deluxe from 5 years ago) even though I am a firm believer that I would far more likely need the saw when outdoors roughing it. Then again, a lot of my LM' s have saws, and I always try to carry both a SAK and  LM. And before I carried an LM, I would camp with a small folding saw. So even though I don't have many, I still really like the saw.

Corkscrew. I use a Philips head more than a corkscrew, but I also like the idea of having a corkscrew on a SAK. Wish they made a 3 or 4 layer with both scales cut out...one side a Philips, the other a corkscrew. The awl could be center (replacing that Gawd awful hook) or inline. The corkscrew can be used to open wine for the lady while semi-roughing it, or in celebration at the top of a peak. Plus it can do near anything the hook can do.keep the corkscrew.

Fish scaler. Although I have no SAK fish scalers I do like them. Seems very useful when roughing it.

Yeah, I would say that my least favorite tool I have encountered on a SAK is the hook. I have only one SAK with the hook, and that was a gift to me. My friend who gave it to me was equally baffled by it, as it seemed so unnecessary. When making SAK purchases these days, if I want one with scissors, I actively seek out older models with no hook. I would rather have on older model with the crossbow stamped tang anyway.

Down with the hook!

I have found the hook to be useful.

  I work part time at a restaurant and put away truck deliveries early in the morning. One day the delivery driver knocked on the back door to be let in and I asked him if he lost his key. He said he had just dropped the key ring down a steel grate by the curb outside. I could see the key ring about 3 feet below the grate.
   I told him I could get the keys.  I opened the hook on my Super Tinker and made a loop in some paracord and cinched the cord around the Super Tinker and lowered it through the grate. It took about 2 minutes for me to finally get the hook to catch the keyring and pull it up out of the hole.
   The driver really appreciated it because he was dreading telling his supervisor he had dropped the keys down a grate.

I have also used it to pull out the hot shelf of an oven partially to remove food.

I have used it to open a drawer that both knobs had come off of . It had a decorative key hole in the center of the drawer, so I just inserted the hook and opened the drawer.

I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy if you think outside the box when you run into a problem.

+1
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Grateful on October 12, 2017, 11:46:50 PM
 One tool I have never used is the metal file / saw. Does it actually work? It seems like a gimmick tool but I've never had a chance to test it.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 12, 2017, 11:52:42 PM
I find it works very well. I have used it many times when modding SAK's to file down pin stock etc. It's a pretty good hack saw too. Give it a try.  :salute:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Huntsman on October 13, 2017, 05:14:52 AM
I definitely do not have a least favourite SAK tool  :D   :o
I am of the view  - If you have it you will use it !! .... So don't discredit it!!   :twak:
 
I know the hook, scaler, pliers, corkscrew, even back-spring Phillips - Always get a lot of flack from some folks
But I can honestly say I have used all of those tools for multiple purposes - If I have had them with me.
To me this is the whole point of a SAK - You come across a little tool requirement or challenge in your day-to day life - and you pick out a tool on the SAK you have with you at the time to fix it there and then  :D

What determines what I carry is layers not tools
- I definitely prefer fewer layers these days - Especially during the week
- So usually a three/four layer would be what I carry - eg a Climber (- may give you a clue on favourite tool ;) ) - and of course this misses out on lots of tools :(
I do carry the SwissChamp sometimes at the weekend - and always feel happy and well prepared when I do :tu:

PS.@  Grateful - Mags is right - The file is great as a file and a metal saw - I use it quite a lot as I don't have a set of fine files in my garage!!
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Grateful on October 13, 2017, 12:42:27 PM
I guess I'll have to look around for a little metal project this weekend. Give one of my saks with the metal file a chance to shine.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: hiraethus on October 13, 2017, 12:46:05 PM
Combo tool.   >:( Don't make me explain it again.  :gtfo:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 13, 2017, 01:58:02 PM
I will post my 2 cents. I don't have a least favorite specific "tool", but I am not fond of many(not all, just many) SAK implements on tools under the 91mm & 100mm classes. They just start getting too small and less robust at the <91mm level. Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people go bonkers for the smaller SAKs, but it is just not me. :)
Now, I'll run for the hills, before everyone carrying a classic starts trying to run me down! :pommel:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: pomsbz on October 13, 2017, 03:22:06 PM
I'm also in the 'combo' tool camp. Using an entire layer for two tools, one of which is practically an anachronism in an era of pull ring cans and the other far too big for its purpose - when you can do both jobs better with a single tool already being manufactured -  seems to me wasteful. Ditto just replacing the can opener with something and leaving the bottle opener. Why not just put the combo tool in there adding utility and still freeing up the space opposite for something else?
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Don Pablo on October 13, 2017, 03:39:57 PM
I'm also in the 'combo' tool camp. Using an entire layer for two tools, one of which is practically an anachronism in an era of pull ring cans and the other far too big for its purpose - when you can do both jobs better with a single tool already being manufactured -  seems to me wasteful. Ditto just replacing the can opener with something and leaving the bottle opener. Why not just put the combo tool in there adding utility and still freeing up the space opposite for something else?
Because we like our pry tools, and the combo tool is too weak for that job.  ;)
I understand where you are coming from though. The combo tool is prefectly adequate for those who do not need the bottle or can opener for prying, pulling Staples, etc.

And that's an interesting idea. Replacing the can opener with a thicker version of the combo tool, and putting something else(sheepsfoot blade?) in place of the bottle opener.
A pity that the current combo tool is too thin....
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 13, 2017, 03:53:44 PM
I'm also in the 'combo' tool camp. Using an entire layer for two tools, one of which is practically an anachronism in an era of pull ring cans and the other far too big for its purpose - when you can do both jobs better with a single tool already being manufactured -  seems to me wasteful. Ditto just replacing the can opener with something and leaving the bottle opener. Why not just put the combo tool in there adding utility and still freeing up the space opposite for something else?
Because we like our pry tools, and the combo tool is too weak for that job.  ;)
I understand where you are coming from though. The combo tool is prefectly adequate for those who do not need the bottle or can opener for prying, pulling Staples, etc.

And that's an interesting idea. Replacing the can opener with a thicker version of the combo tool, and putting something else(sheepsfoot blade?) in place of the bottle opener.
A pity that the current combo tool is too thin....
+1 - I still really like the opener layer - so useful for so many different things, and there are enough cans in my kitchen without the ring pull to warrant one, as well as prying, screwdriver duties, prodding, etc
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 13, 2017, 05:58:57 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Twist off bottle caps and pull tab cans are often not available in all parts of the world. Many developing countries do not have them at all, or in very small quantity. Even here in the US, many cans and bottles are not twist/tab. Plus, In the event of catastrophe, you may find yourself somewhere where regular bottles and cans have been stored for some time, and may not be as new as that. So I still want those on my SAK.

Scissors...I have more SAKS with scissors than saws (BSA Tinker, a Super Tinker from the 80's, and  Tinker Deluxe from 5 years ago) even though I am a firm believer that I would far more likely need the saw when outdoors roughing it. Then again, a lot of my LM' s have saws, and I always try to carry both a SAK and  LM. And before I carried an LM, I would camp with a small folding saw. So even though I don't have many, I still really like the saw.

Corkscrew. I use a Philips head more than a corkscrew, but I also like the idea of having a corkscrew on a SAK. Wish they made a 3 or 4 layer with both scales cut out...one side a Philips, the other a corkscrew. The awl could be center (replacing that Gawd awful hook) or inline. The corkscrew can be used to open wine for the lady while semi-roughing it, or in celebration at the top of a peak. Plus it can do near anything the hook can do.keep the corkscrew.

Fish scaler. Although I have no SAK fish scalers I do like them. Seems very useful when roughing it.

Yeah, I would say that my least favorite tool I have encountered on a SAK is the hook. I have only one SAK with the hook, and that was a gift to me. My friend who gave it to me was equally baffled by it, as it seemed so unnecessary. When making SAK purchases these days, if I want one with scissors, I actively seek out older models with no hook. I would rather have on older model with the crossbow stamped tang anyway.

Down with the hook!

I have found the hook to be useful.

  I work part time at a restaurant and put away truck deliveries early in the morning. One day the delivery driver knocked on the back door to be let in and I asked him if he lost his key. He said he had just dropped the key ring down a steel grate by the curb outside. I could see the key ring about 3 feet below the grate.
   I told him I could get the keys.  I opened the hook on my Super Tinker and made a loop in some paracord and cinched the cord around the Super Tinker and lowered it through the grate. It took about 2 minutes for me to finally get the hook to catch the keyring and pull it up out of the hole.
   The driver really appreciated it because he was dreading telling his supervisor he had dropped the keys down a grate.

I have also used it to pull out the hot shelf of an oven partially to remove food.

I have used it to open a drawer that both knobs had come off of . It had a decorative key hole in the center of the drawer, so I just inserted the hook and opened the drawer.

I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy if you think outside the box when you run into a problem.

Hi Vic,

Hope all's well. Just trying to prove my point in a friendly way, no malice intended, but:

Keys retrieval? = paracord tied to keyring of Tinker. That's more secure than cinching cord around the body of the tool anyway. Open can opener to 45 degrees. Done. And if you are really good, one you've hooked the keys, bump the bottom end of the Tinker on the ground and let it lean a little, all in a quick motion, and it will cause the can opener to close (as much as it can with the ring in its craw) and you will have the keys more securely than the hook would.

Drawer with no knobs? = open drawer below it, reach in and up, and pull. Or use the corkscrew. Or the Phillips in the keyhole.but gently. Or any thin blade carefully wedged between the drawer and face.

Hot oven shelf? = here's a common sense one...i figure, if youth are in a kitchen, you can use the oven mitt. Or towel. Or apron. Or, again, the can opener.

Alright? Who's next?
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: ThundahBeagle on October 13, 2017, 06:05:19 PM
One tool I have never used is the metal file / saw. Does it actually work? It seems like a gimmick tool but I've never had a chance to test it.

Hi Grateful

I actually have a pre-1985 Victorinox Mountaineer. I have tested the metal saw on a Coke or Pepsi can and it works for that. So there's an emergency stove it can help you make.

I have not tried it on thicker gauge or stronger metal yet, but there is that, at least.
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: VICMAN on October 13, 2017, 09:07:24 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Twist off bottle caps and pull tab cans are often not available in all parts of the world. Many developing countries do not have them at all, or in very small quantity. Even here in the US, many cans and bottles are not twist/tab. Plus, In the event of catastrophe, you may find yourself somewhere where regular bottles and cans have been stored for some time, and may not be as new as that. So I still want those on my SAK.

Scissors...I have more SAKS with scissors than saws (BSA Tinker, a Super Tinker from the 80's, and  Tinker Deluxe from 5 years ago) even though I am a firm believer that I would far more likely need the saw when outdoors roughing it. Then again, a lot of my LM' s have saws, and I always try to carry both a SAK and  LM. And before I carried an LM, I would camp with a small folding saw. So even though I don't have many, I still really like the saw.

Corkscrew. I use a Philips head more than a corkscrew, but I also like the idea of having a corkscrew on a SAK. Wish they made a 3 or 4 layer with both scales cut out...one side a Philips, the other a corkscrew. The awl could be center (replacing that Gawd awful hook) or inline. The corkscrew can be used to open wine for the lady while semi-roughing it, or in celebration at the top of a peak. Plus it can do near anything the hook can do.keep the corkscrew.

Fish scaler. Although I have no SAK fish scalers I do like them. Seems very useful when roughing it.

Yeah, I would say that my least favorite tool I have encountered on a SAK is the hook. I have only one SAK with the hook, and that was a gift to me. My friend who gave it to me was equally baffled by it, as it seemed so unnecessary. When making SAK purchases these days, if I want one with scissors, I actively seek out older models with no hook. I would rather have on older model with the crossbow stamped tang anyway.

Down with the hook!

I have found the hook to be useful.

  I work part time at a restaurant and put away truck deliveries early in the morning. One day the delivery driver knocked on the back door to be let in and I asked him if he lost his key. He said he had just dropped the key ring down a steel grate by the curb outside. I could see the key ring about 3 feet below the grate.
   I told him I could get the keys.  I opened the hook on my Super Tinker and made a loop in some paracord and cinched the cord around the Super Tinker and lowered it through the grate. It took about 2 minutes for me to finally get the hook to catch the keyring and pull it up out of the hole.
   The driver really appreciated it because he was dreading telling his supervisor he had dropped the keys down a grate.

I have also used it to pull out the hot shelf of an oven partially to remove food.

I have used it to open a drawer that both knobs had come off of . It had a decorative key hole in the center of the drawer, so I just inserted the hook and opened the drawer.

I don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy if you think outside the box when you run into a problem.

Hi Vic,

Hope all's well. Just trying to prove my point in a friendly way, no malice intended, but:

Keys retrieval? = paracord tied to keyring of Tinker. That's more secure than cinching cord around the body of the tool anyway. Open can opener to 45 degrees. Done. And if you are really good, one you've hooked the keys, bump the bottom end of the Tinker on the ground and let it lean a little, all in a quick motion, and it will cause the can opener to close (as much as it can with the ring in its craw) and you will have the keys more securely than the hook would.

Drawer with no knobs? = open drawer below it, reach in and up, and pull. Or use the corkscrew. Or the Phillips in the keyhole.but gently. Or any thin blade carefully wedged between the drawer and face.

Hot oven shelf? = here's a common sense one...i figure, if youth are in a kitchen, you can use the oven mitt. Or towel. Or apron. Or, again, the can opener.

Alright? Who's next?

Thank for your reply and no offense was taken on my part.

The paracord was cynched around the body in a way it could not possibly come loose.

Also in order to hook the keys with the can opener you would have to drag the knife handle on the concrete in order to hook the ring and you would scar up the handle.  With the hook the handle was totally clear from the concrete.

The drawer has a board between it and the drawer below, so it is impossible to reach it from below,
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: VICMAN on October 13, 2017, 09:17:30 PM
I definitely do not have a least favourite SAK tool  :D   :o
I am of the view  - If you have it you will use it !! .... So don't discredit it!!   :twak:
 
I know the hook, scaler, pliers, corkscrew, even back-spring Phillips - Always get a lot of flack from some folks
But I can honestly say I have used all of those tools for multiple purposes - If I have had them with me.
To me this is the whole point of a SAK - You come across a little tool requirement or challenge in your day-to day life - and you pick out a tool on the SAK you have with you at the time to fix it there and then  :D

What determines what I carry is layers not tools
- I definitely prefer fewer layers these days - Especially during the week
- So usually a three/four layer would be what I carry - eg a Climber (- may give you a clue on favourite tool ;) ) - and of course this misses out on lots of tools :(
I do carry the SwissChamp sometimes at the weekend - and always feel happy and well prepared when I do :tu:

PS.@  Grateful - Mags is right - The file is great as a file and a metal saw - I use it quite a lot as I don't have a set of fine files in my garage!!

I totally agree with "I am of the view  - If you have it you will use it !! .... So don't discredit it!! "

The variety of tools on a SAK are created to make it possible to improvise in a given situation to accomplish what needs to be done. :like:  :tu: :tu:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: this_is_nascar on October 14, 2017, 04:08:58 AM
The coke-spoon, by far.

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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: twiliter on October 14, 2017, 11:54:22 AM
Combo tool.   >:( Don't make me explain it again.  :gtfo:

+1  :tu:

So let me get this straight, I can replace the entire opener layer and the small blade with one tool?  :rofl:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 14, 2017, 02:34:20 PM
I have never used the corkscrew to remove a cork, but I have used the corkscrew a number of times to loosen tight knots in rope, shoestrings, or paracord.
I've heard is this being done a lot. I've only tried it once and was underwhelmed. Perhaps the knot wasn't enough of a challenge. I generally use the pliers for loosening really tight knots. I find the pliers give me pin point control over individual strands that the corkscrew requires more finesse to do.

I may have to play with the corkscrew a little more.



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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 14, 2017, 02:56:10 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Corkscrew...it can do near anything the hook can do. keep the corkscrew.

Down with the hook!
Interesting view on it. I have a couple of questions though.
1) "common sense" can be a rather vague term so if you could clarify what you mean by common sense being what's lacking when people use the hook. Meaning that they could have functioned equally without the hook if they'd employed common sense.

2) How much have you actually used the corkscrew?

I have found some places where the corkscrew would be difficult to use because in order to get it to strongly hook an item, you have to twist the handle and there may not be room due to narrow clearance. I'm this photo, the manual release cable is already pulled clear of the recess so there is obviously plenty of room; however, when the cable was within the recess, it required reaching down vertically with the headrest next to the knife handle. Not impossible, perhaps, but slower and more difficult.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/cf5a71d6371a5d53531104d45e7a4eb3.jpeg)

I've found the corkscrew bends very easily under reasonably light torque, IMO, and isn't suited to most tasks...like pulling recessed items that are tight in their location.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/a375f97f21fdf3686a527a94686f2821.jpeg)
 The corkscrew is too thin and bends too easily for much use beyond pulling corks and holding the mini screwdriver.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/0a52f501f9a207f53d5fbe70335ca040.jpeg)

At least that's been my experience.


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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Aloha on October 14, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
Don't tell my Swisschamp I said this, hook and fishscaler.  I think its more about where on the SAK I'd prefer the tool rather than the tool itself.  I'd prefer my phillips inline vs backside.  I'd prefer my awl inline vs backside.  I'd also prefer the chisel inline vs backside.  These days I don't carry my SC as much for EDC as my Tinker is my preferred SAK.  The Explore for me should be my favorite SAK but like 50ft I can do without the dual blades.  I'd much prefer something else in that space.  Ok I'm veering off topic.  Hook and fishscaler with the option to recant or revise at a later time  :whistle: 
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 14, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
The HOOK!!! Please do away with this most useless appendage as soon as possible. I see it as a waste of time, space, and resources. I've not yet been shown any use for it that cannot be duplicated with another tool on my SAK, or with common sense. Some of the uses I have seen have been so invented as to be ridiculous, with the user going out of their way or dropping all common sense just to be able to say they used the hook for X.

Corkscrew...it can do near anything the hook can do. keep the corkscrew.

Down with the hook!
Interesting view on it. I have a couple of questions though.
1) "common sense" can be a rather vague term so if you could clarify what you mean by common sense being what's lacking when people use the hook. Meaning that they could have functioned equally without the hook if they'd employed common sense.

2) How much have you actually used the corkscrew?

I have found some places where the corkscrew would be difficult to use because in order to get it to strongly hook an item, you have to twist the handle and there may not be room due to narrow clearance. I'm this photo, the manual release cable is already pulled clear of the recess so there is obviously plenty of room; however, when the cable was within the recess, it required reaching down vertically with the headrest next to the knife handle. Not impossible, perhaps, but slower and more difficult.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/cf5a71d6371a5d53531104d45e7a4eb3.jpeg)

I've found the corkscrew bends very easily under reasonably light torque, IMO, and isn't suited to most tasks...like pulling recessed items that are tight in their location.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/a375f97f21fdf3686a527a94686f2821.jpeg)
 The corkscrew is too thin and bends too easily for much use beyond pulling corks and holding the mini screwdriver.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171014/0a52f501f9a207f53d5fbe70335ca040.jpeg)

At least that's been my experience.


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Great points. 2 different tools for A number of unique tasks.
Also, a good point that the hook is Super Sturdy.

Just the other day I was  removing lanyards from zippers on one of my jackets.  The cord was pretty thin, and on there SUPER tight, My fingernails didn't have a chance and I was really trying to think of any other tool that would have done a good job as el corkscrew in getting those things loose...
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: twiliter on October 14, 2017, 07:45:04 PM
Interesting thing about the SwissChamp, no back Phillips, and no dreaded combo tool or crummy file where the small blade should be. That's why the SwissChamp is The Champ.  :D
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: magentus on October 14, 2017, 07:46:39 PM
Interesting thing about the SwissChamp, no back Phillips, and no dreaded combo tool or crummy file where the small blade should be. That's why the SwissChamp is The Champ.  :D
+1 - Spoken like a Bro, bro.  :salute:
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Tired_Yeti on October 15, 2017, 01:25:16 AM
Interesting thing about the SwissChamp, no back Phillips, and no dreaded combo tool or crummy file where the small blade should be. That's why the SwissChamp is The Champ.  :D
I do love that knife!
I pocket carry mine and I don't feel any bulky discomfort when doing it. I don't wear snug pants or dress slacks usually so maybe that's why. SC is a really great SAK IMO.


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Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: Huntsman on October 15, 2017, 03:02:26 AM
I definitely do not have a least favourite SAK tool  :D   :o
I am of the view  - If you have it you will use it !! .... So don't discredit it!!   :twak:

A few developments in this thread made me realise that I lied  :o

I do have three least  favourite tools:
Two due to redundancy (IMHO of course ;) )
- The small blade - I already have one - so way prefer the Wenger file in this position
- The back spring flat SD -  I already have one on the CO, yes the back one has slightly better reach, but only if the screw is not recesed by more than 4cm!!

One due to  -  ???  :think:
- The chisel - It's a beautiful sharp little tool - But I am pretty sure I have never used it and, due to its position, I can't imagine ever using it - even for non intended purposes  :(
Title: Re: What are your least favorite SAK tools and why?
Post by: El Corkscrew on October 15, 2017, 04:53:29 AM
I definitely do not have a least favourite SAK tool  :D   :o
I am of the view  - If you have it you will use it !! .... So don't discredit it!!   :twak:

A few developments in this thread made me realise that I lied  :o

I do have three least  favourite tools:
Two due to redundancy (IMHO of course ;) )
- The small blade - I already have one - so way prefer the Wenger file in this position
- The back spring flat SD -  I already have one on the CO, yes the back one has slightly better reach, but only if the screw is not recesed by more than 4cm!!

One due to  -  ???  :think:
- The chisel - It's a beautiful sharp little tool - But I am pretty sure I have never used it and, due to its position, I can't imagine ever using it - even for non intended purposes  :(

This thread is great...  I prefer the small blade b/c I'll always have  file on the keychain and the small blades is better for finer tasks...  I've never used the back layer chisel either but I've ready many members singing its praises.... and as for the fine screwdriver on the back, I guess it's a something is better than nothing situation...