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Outdoor Section => The Outdoor and Survival Forum => Topic started by: Anthony on January 30, 2009, 02:37:58 AM
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So everyone can have a tabletop Sharpmaker and set up rods and whatnot...but what kind of kit do you have that you can take "on the go", as in outdoors? A kit that can fit in the palm of you hand or a pocket.
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I got those pen like diamond coated rods, and lansky triangle stone that's half the length of sharpmaker stick. Although I think I've sharpened one knife with them and it was a buddy's. Sharpened a lot of fishing hooks with the lansky stick thou.
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I got a Lansky Dog Bone sharpening and it rocks!
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I've got the Spyderco ProFile Set (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=95), and I've thought about getting the Double Stuff (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87).
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Usually a Fallkniven DC3 or DC4 sharpener...best pocket stones I've used. (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2803/thumbup6ly.gif)
I did make this wallet strop/sharpener with a DMT extra fine plate. I use it mostly for pocket blades.
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Good suggestions; I ended up going the route Cgjones and Spork were on with flat, rectangular "stones".
I just ordered this lot from ragweedforge.com...these three are all relatively small "traditional" supplies. The diamond stone isn't exactly traditional, but I assume the technique is very similar to an actual STONE. The viking and Finnish stones are more for the final edge. There's good descriptions of them at www.ragweedforge.com
Two sided diamond plate
Viking whetstone
Finnish whetstone
Lansky puck sharpener (for my hatchets and machetes)
And how can you order from Ragnar without getting another Mora? You can't! I also got a Mora #1 8)
A great vid I'm sure was posted here before, but interesting. I think that's the exact diamond plate I'm getting with the sleeve and all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7ajppjN768
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DC3 stone for me, I'll be picking a DC4 sometime in the future :tu:
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I have a Smith's Pocket Pal knife sharpener that my brother gave me. It's got ceramic, carbide and diamond sharpeners. Really good for touching up hollow and flat ground blades but if I need to reprofile something else, I will have to have my brother use his professional lanksy system on it.
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Flat stoners Rock (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8399/thumbsup4kk.gif) :D
That's a DC4 Mears is using in that video...I use the ceramic side more than the diamond
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Here is my favorite travel set:
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/USNPostItems280-1.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/USNPostItems281-1.jpg)
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87
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DMT Duo Fold, Key chain fine edge one, and 2 of there credit card ones :), and a Falkniven DC4 plus the glue on DC3 that stuck to my F1 :)
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I have a bladetech carbide sharpener that I could take, but TBH I'd hope the knives I have have good enough edge retention to last me for the short period of time I'd be outside using them.
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I rarely need to sharpen my knives in the field...usually it's one belonging to someone else :P
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I picked up a DC4 not long ago for taking out and about with me.
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A Vic 4.3323 is always in my pocket or bag...
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I rarely need to sharpen my knives in the field...usually it's one belonging to someone else :P
His name wouldn't be Ben by any chance ??? :D
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I rarely need to sharpen my knives in the field...usually it's one belonging to someone else :P
His name wouldn't be Ben by any chance ??? :D
LOL! :D
Not anymore. ;)
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I rarely need to sharpen my knives in the field...usually it's one belonging to someone else :P
His name wouldn't be Ben by any chance ??? :D
LOL! :D
Not anymore. ;)
Let's hope not :tu:
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I got 1 of the DMT extra fine credit card sized sharpener's and it does a nice job of touching up my blades @ work if need be :tu:
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:think: Besides your on the go kit what does everyone use to sharpen with :)
I mainly use my Sharpmaker but I also have a large bench stone don't really know what kind a guy from work gave it to me :D and a DMT smaller diamond stone and a Smith 2 in 1 sharpener which gives a good edge without much effort on a lot of my knives :tu:
I got varying result with all of the above except for the Sharpmaker though :D
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sharpmaker, craftsman 6" belt sander, and a hardware store two side stone.
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I picked one of Benchmade's Mini Tactical Pro Knife Sharpener's today :)
It seems to do a decent enough job an can be put on a keychain :cheers: Well see how it goes for a while paired with my DMT Card :D
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I picked one of Benchmade's Mini Tactical Pro Knife Sharpener's today :)
It seems to do a decent enough job an can be put on a keychain :cheers: Well see how it goes for a while paired with my DMT Card :D
Got a picture mate ???
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There (http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/_noth_/MTs/127859454_o.jpg) ya go.
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There (http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq13/_noth_/MTs/127859454_o.jpg) ya go.
Thanks mate :tu:
Not a fan of that style of sharpener though sadly :-\
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I totally agree. Those carbide sharpeners just scrape metal right off the blade and the edge retention goes down the drain as well. I hate it...
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I totally agree. Those carbide sharpeners just scrape metal right off the blade and the edge retention goes down the drain as well. I hate it...
Well I was trying to be polite :D
But yeah I can't stand the bloody things either tbh :D
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Well I was trying to be polite :D
I thought that was the case :P
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Well I was trying to be polite :D
I was polite... Don't get me started on that... I can rant for hours for such devices... :D
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I never said I loved them but it being a Benchmade product thought I would give it a go :D Mainly for use on a gaped blade (someone else's most all the time ::) ) Then put an edge on it with the DMT :) Just gonna give it a few days though :pok: :D
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DMT Double Sided Diafold
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Actually it's just a rebadged redi-edge sharpener... ::) It's supposed to have some BM-proprietary ceramic blades, but I wouldn't hold my breath...
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Actually it's just a rebadged redi-edge sharpener... ::) It's supposed to have some BM-proprietary ceramic blades, but I wouldn't hold my breath...
:tu: Thanks noth :)
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DMT Double Sided Diafold
I've used one of those for well over a decade :)
Great bit of kit :tu:
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There's a double-sided Diafold model that is Extra Fine/Ceramic that I've been eyeballing :P - Link (http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=DMTCFWE)
I have quite a few of the Diafolds but I prefer the EZ lap products because they have solid plates. My favorite is the double-sided Medium/Super Fine - Link (http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=EZL510)
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I put these together last year using 6" DMT plates.
The front one is Coarse/Fine and the rear is Extra Fine/Leather Strop.
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I use this one....
its OK but the 2 sides of have come apart (I need to epoxy them together at some point)
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Isn't that a DC3/4 with a stamped sheath?
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Yes its the DC4 I got from Ray Mears website.
I could not find it anywhere else at the time, but now I have found it sans logo for a lot less >:(
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Yes its the DC4 I got from Ray Mears website.
I could not find it anywhere else at the time, but now I have found it sans logo for a lot less >:(
Yes you do pay a lot for the logo don't you. :-\
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Yes its the DC4 I got from Ray Mears website.
I could not find it anywhere else at the time, but now I have found it sans logo for a lot less >:(
Yes you do pay a lot for the logo don't you. :-\
Don't I know it
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Here is my favorite travel set:
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/USNPostItems280-1.jpg)
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/USNPostItems281-1.jpg)
http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87
Mine too. Or if I'm in a pinch, the bottom of most any ceramic coffee mug or bowl.
Mike
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MIke,
Love the ingenuity....must try that sometime :salute:
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MIke,
Love the ingenuity....must try that sometime :salute:
The bottom of ceramic coffee cups or bowls works decently if it's just a touch up. Though I was able to take a SAK from fairly dull to a working edge this way. On the ceramic coffee cups or bowls, I feel for a relatively smooth, bare ceramic edge to work with. Find one that doesn't have any (or too many) bumpy parts in it. Then just work it the best you can. I mean, all the cool kids do this. :D
Mike
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My buddy's got a Carbee-Sharp sharpener http://www.carbee-sharp.com/ and I've gotta get one, too. Can ride your keychain and seems to be pretty well made. Blade magazine did a review on it and gave it kudos.
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My buddy's got a Carbee-Sharp sharpener http://www.carbee-sharp.com/ and I've gotta get one, too. Can ride your keychain and seems to be pretty well made. Blade magazine did a review on it and gave it kudos.
:o that looks interesting I need to remember that one :tu: if you end up getting one tell us if you like it or not ;) :D
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Another DC4 here. I like it and it's more abrasive than the Sharpmaker. You get there quicker on a blade with a really dull edge. :tu:
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I got a DC3 recently, and other than trying it out on a cheap knife, I haven't used it in anger yet.
The test went well though - I'm sure I won't need much more than this.
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A note on the DC3/4's is that they feel incredibly rough to start with. This does wear down quite quickly and you are left with a much more forgiving surface.
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I found the pen type diamond rod doesn't work well for some reason, so just bought a lansky pocket hard arkansas stone. Tried it on kitchen pairing knife and it seems to work well, will have to wait and see if it works on harder steel.
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On holiday's abroad i always take my complete Sharpmaker with me, together with a large coarse and medium sided diamondstone from Smith's Abrasives.
When i go into the forests surrounding my hometown i only take a Spyderco ProFile set and a Leatherman with diamond file,
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EZ-Lap Diamond M.
Dtrain
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:think: I was wondering if it would be a good idea or not to carry a smallish piece of leather rolled up for a on the go type strop :think:
When I bought the remnant of leather for my strops that I made I have plenty enough to make another or 2 but I could cut a 3 inch by 9 inch piece and maybe add a leather string to it to roll it up and also to hook it to something for a strop :D
So what do you guys think :) Yes or no or what in the world is this guy thinking :pok: :D
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I almost always wear a leather belt. If I really felt the need I'd strop it on the back of that. I can't say I've ever needed to though.
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I almost always wear a leather belt. If I really felt the need I'd strop it on the back of that. I can't say I've ever needed to though.
I always have a leather belt on me as well but I would almost rather carry the leather than take my belt off :think: :D
but this is why I asked the question thanks Gareth :tu:
The leather would be in my coat pocket and not in my pants pocket and I just wear that coat to work and then put a heavier 1 on when I get there so it's not like I will be carrying with me at all times just to have close by ;) should have mentioned that earlier as well ::) :D
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I'd stick to your belt too :)
Having a piece of rolled up leather on you is hardly convienient :D
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I've used the side of my boot to strop blades before.
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Palm of you hand is the most convienent :)
Failing that you could use a friends forearm :D
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Well I guess I may just stick with the belt :D I am gonna cut it out anyway and if I know I am gonna sharpen somebody else's knife or I am gonna sharpen a few blades elsewhere besides my house I may take it with the sharpener ;)
Thanks for all the input guys :D
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This guy seems to be pretty good at sharpening :tu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuOlGGl97dI
He uses his stone as the strop
and another of his videos he uses a concrete block and a piece of cardboard to sharpen a knife :D
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Cool linky :tu:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG2QqhCTqT8
and here's the block cardboard clip :D
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Well I have all 3 grits on the DMT card sharpeners now and I can get a dull blade pretty sharp in just a few minutes :tu:
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Well I have all 3 grits on the DMT card sharpeners now and I can get a dull blade pretty sharp in just a few minutes :tu:
Good man :tu:
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3 socket blanking plates with 240, 400 and 600 grit wet and dry stuck to them, or a teeny little whetstone I got from a carboot sale :)
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I usually use whatever is available. The top of my car window. Bottom of a ceramic cup or dish. Back of my belt. I strop my knives on my hand or jeans all day long whenever used, so actual sharpening is always kept to a minimum.
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I usually use whatever is available. The top of my car window. Bottom of a ceramic cup or dish. Back of my belt. I strop my knives on my hand or jeans all day long whenever used, so actual sharpening is always kept to a minimum.
that's about as on the go as your gonna get :tu: I think I had better stick with the cards until I get a bit better in sharpening :D after then I may try and improvise like that ;) :)
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I have a Victorinox sharpener for softer knives. Not too great, but OK in the field.
When it comes to travel - rent holiday houses tend to have the dullest knives ever - I usually bring one good knife and my Byrd Duckfoot sharpener. It´s not as good as my Sharpmaker, but faster and it puts a quite good working edge on most knives in no time. Love it!
Still, I may get a DC3/DC4 some day, for I never heard anything bad about them.
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Still, I may get a DC3/DC4 some day, for I never heard anything bad about them.
And you won't from me :)
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1 of those are on my list to get as well :tu:
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1 of those are on my list to get as well :tu:
You won't regret it mate :tu:
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I've been trying out a Spyderco Doublestuff Pocket stone for the last couple months and it's not bad at all. I like the extra length and it seems to be a good alternative to the DC3/4s I've been using.
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Here's something else to try, that I kind've stumbled upon. I have two small, three inch long whetstones. One fell and broke into pieces. I looked at the small pieces, and put one in my wallet. Anytime I really need to sharpen a knife, I take it out and go to town. Your technique may need to be improvised a little, but it works in a pinch.
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I don't have a pic of it by itself, but I carry a speedysharp everywhere I go. It's a perfect piece of kit that'll not just sharpen my knife or mt or whatever. It'll sharpen axes, lawnmower blades, even a stick of rebar if the need may arise. My pics aren't workin' at present, but it's basically a pocket carbide cut off tool.
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Is it one of those "drag knife through V" type things? >:D
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Is it one of those "drag knife through V" type things? >:D
Not only no, but HELL NO!!! It's simply a small cutoff tool. A small piece of diamond polished carbide welded to a handle. Here's pics of my do-it yerself, Cold Steel Ghurka Kukri Piggyback Kydex Sheath. Pics are pretty dark, but it's a double pocket for a firesteel & a sharpener that doubles as a firesteel striker.
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/th_IMG_3178.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/?action=view¤t=IMG_3178.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/th_IMG_3177.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/?action=view¤t=IMG_3177.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/th_IMG_3179.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/?action=view¤t=IMG_3179.jpg)
(http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/th_IMG_3180.jpg) (http://s304.photobucket.com/albums/nn170/jb9881255/?action=view¤t=IMG_3180.jpg)
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I carry one of these.
http://www.knivesplus.com/eze-lap-sharpener-ez-201.html
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I carry one of these.
http://www.knivesplus.com/eze-lap-sharpener-ez-201.html
Those are very similar to the DMT ones that I use :tu: how is it holding up :think: I was thinking of getting a few of these in the different grits as well :tu: I love those style sharpeners as they are very easy to carry in a wallet without noticing them :cheers:
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So far it is holding up well.I bought it a year and a half ago.
I also need to get some different grits,fine works well but when
I get a really dull knife it would be a lot faster to get an edge with
a medium grit.
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So far it is holding up well.I bought it a year and a half ago.
I also need to get some different grits,fine works well but when
I get a really dull knife it would be a lot faster to get an edge with
a medium grit.
Yeah the different grits really make all the difference :) The DMT ones are holding up for me pretty good as well :cheers:
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I've got one of these little Gerber pocket ceramic things.... think it needs cleaning though, do you chaps think just doing the hot water and soap thing will work?
(http://www.venturesport.co.uk/images/products/product_13408.jpg)
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I've got one of these little Gerber pocket ceramic things.... think it needs cleaning though, do you chaps think just doing the hot water and soap thing will work?
(http://www.venturesport.co.uk/images/products/product_13408.jpg)
I think a bin will do a cracking job myself. :tu: :D
I think those things are horrid myself, but I expect soupy water will do the trick yes. :tu:
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I've got one of these little Gerber pocket ceramic things.... think it needs cleaning though, do you chaps think just doing the hot water and soap thing will work?
(http://www.venturesport.co.uk/images/products/product_13408.jpg)
I think a bin will do a cracking job myself. :tu: :D
I think those things are horrid myself, but I expect soupy water will do the trick yes. :tu:
+! on the lobbing front :tu:
Don't even bother trying to recycle it, just get rid :pok: :D
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I've got one of these little Gerber pocket ceramic things....
Aaaack! :ahhh :D
I think those things are horrid myself, but I expect soupy water will do the trick yes. :tu:
What kind of soup works best? (http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/190/1/1/_ducksoup__by_Kermodog.gif) ::)
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(http://www.venturesport.co.uk/images/products/product_13408.jpg)
I picked one of these up to try because it was cheap .... :ahhh
I didn't throw it away, I was feeling evil so sold it for 20p at a car boot sale >:D
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(http://www.venturesport.co.uk/images/products/product_13408.jpg)
I picked one of these up to try because it was cheap .... :ahhh
I didn't throw it away, I was feeling evil so sold it for 20p at a car boot sale >:D
They were robbed :D
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Well that explains why it's rubbish then! :D
OK, so now I need to decide what else to get.... is the DC3/DC4 a double sided affair?
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They are yes.
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Where's the best place to get a DC4 and do I need different grades :cheers:
I only have this but me no like :twak:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/025-1.jpg)
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Heinnies have them if you want a UK supplier.
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Heinnies have them if you want a UK supplier.
Thanks :tu: I'm of shopping now :D
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Ebay's worth a try too - I got mine from there for a keen price.
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Ebay's worth a try too - I got mine from there for a keen price.
Not a bad price :)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fallkniven-D4-Knife-Sharpening-Diamond-Whetstone_W0QQitemZ270402241063QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item3ef53ac227&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
+1 on the Heinnie's front, as that's where i bought mine :)
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Yeah 8 quid sounds about right.
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With whatever sharpening stones, tools or devices I use I also have a 10x Hastings triplet magnifier loupe. I use this to examine the bevel and edge to make sure it's done right.
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... is the DC3/DC4 a double sided affair?
Yes, it's a diamond coated plate bonded to a ceramic stone. You'll probably use the ceramic more often if you keep the edge up. That and a strop should keep you shaving sharp.
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Ebay's worth a try too - I got mine from there for a keen price.
Not a bad price :)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fallkniven-D4-Knife-Sharpening-Diamond-Whetstone_W0QQitemZ270402241063QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item3ef53ac227&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
+1 on the Heinnie's front, as that's where i bought mine :)
That's a good price :tu: but has he got the description wrong he doesn't mention ceramic stones :think:
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That's a D4 (D for diamond)...what you want is a DC4 (diamond/ceramic)
I believe they started to sell just the plates so they could be glued onto their thermoplastic sheaths.
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That's a D4 (D for diamond)...what you want is a DC4 (diamond/ceramic)
I believe they started to sell just the plates so they could be glued onto their thermoplastic sheaths.
Got ya thanks :tu: DC4 is what I hunt down :D
[edit] yikes some guys on ebay want more than Heinnie :ahhh
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fallkniven-DC4-Whetstone-Knife-Sharpening-Stone_W0QQitemZ150370293293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item2302c4962d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1850wt_890 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fallkniven-DC4-Whetstone-Knife-Sharpening-Stone_W0QQitemZ150370293293QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item2302c4962d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_1850wt_890)
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Another Pocket stone that I like is the Spyderco Doublestuff (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87) - same ceramics as on their Sharpmaker. It's an extra inch longer and easier to hold.
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Another Pocket stone that I like is the Spyderco Doublestuff (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=87) - same ceramics as on their Sharpmaker. It's an extra inch longer and easier to hold.
That's a bit of a bargain :tu: