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Title: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:51:08 AM
The title pretty much says it all.

While it is fairly easy to find modern knives being manufactured with higher end steels such as ATS-34, 154CM, S30V, S35VN, etc., finding traditional patterns using these same steels is proving an interesting collecting challenge for me lately.

Left to right:

Cold Steel Ranch Boss (S35VN)

Schatt & Morgan Series IX Stockman (ATS-34 main blade)

Cattaraugus Cutlery CM-16 (ATS-34 clip blade)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:52:34 AM
More pics of the above knives...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:56:04 AM
Top to bottom:

Cattaraugus Cutlery CM-15 (ATS-34 main blade)

Case Mini-Trapper (154CM)

Case Barlow (154CM)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:58:02 AM
Cattaraugus CM-15 looks almost the same as the CM-16 (especially in pictures), but seeing them next to one another the size difference becomes apparent.

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:59:11 AM
A few more pics of the Case Mini-Trapper...
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Post by: nate j on April 27, 2020, 12:59:56 AM
A few more pics of the Case Barlow...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on April 27, 2020, 01:07:08 AM
Cattaraugus CM-15 looks almost the same as the CM-16 (especially in pictures), but seeing them next to one another the size difference becomes apparent.


Sweet !    :drool:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Pop on April 27, 2020, 05:55:18 AM
Be on the lookout for the original Canal Street knives. Certain ones were made in 14-4 CrMo. That's a 154cm equivalent
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Post by: nate j on May 17, 2020, 07:08:34 AM
Case C. Platts & Sons Saddle Horn in ATS-34...

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Post by: pomsbz on May 17, 2020, 09:05:19 AM
Buck 301 two blade stockman in CPM154.

(http://www.timelessjewishart.com/EDC_zx/buck_3.jpg)

(http://www.timelessjewishart.com/EDC_zx/buck_2.jpg)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on May 17, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
Lionsteel Roundhead in M390

(http://www.timelessjewishart.com/EDC_zx/EB_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on May 17, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
Couple of nice ones there, pomsbz!   :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on May 17, 2020, 04:04:34 PM
Case C. Platts & Sons Saddle Horn in ATS-34...

Nice wavy jigging !   :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on May 17, 2020, 05:19:17 PM
Cattaraugus CM-15 looks almost the same as the CM-16 (especially in pictures), but seeing them next to one another the size difference becomes apparent.

Like those Improved Muskrats!    :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on May 30, 2020, 06:39:15 AM
Case Doctor's Knife in ATS-34...

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Post by: nate j on May 30, 2020, 06:40:33 AM
...which came with a very nice wood case:

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on May 30, 2020, 01:55:30 PM
 :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 11, 2020, 06:57:13 AM
Case Trapper in 154CM...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on June 11, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
Another nice one Nate !    :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on June 11, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Whole lotta awesome in this thread  :drool:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 12, 2020, 06:14:37 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 14, 2020, 03:37:05 AM
@pomsbz how do you like that Lionsteel Roundhead?
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on June 16, 2020, 05:12:45 AM
@pomsbz how do you like that Lionsteel Roundhead?

It's how 'did' I like it I'm afraid. I had one of the originals. It was simply too thick behind the edge to be a slicer and despite the 'supersteel' it wouldn't hold an edge which was weird. I had it set up by 3 different sharpening pro's but to no use. I just gave up. It's a shame, otherwise it was a brilliant, perfect knife, in hand, in pocket, for the eye, etc. I've heard that the second run was thinner behind the edge and there was some controversy about the hardening of the steel which seems to have blown over but I've transitioned over to carrying a SAK full time these days.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 17, 2020, 05:30:33 AM
It's how 'did' I like it I'm afraid. I had one of the originals. It was simply too thick behind the edge to be a slicer and despite the 'supersteel' it wouldn't hold an edge which was weird. I had it set up by 3 different sharpening pro's but to no use. I just gave up. It's a shame, otherwise it was a brilliant, perfect knife, in hand, in pocket, for the eye, etc. I've heard that the second run was thinner behind the edge and there was some controversy about the hardening of the steel which seems to have blown over but I've transitioned over to carrying a SAK full time these days.

Interesting; thanks for sharing that.  I've been eyeing up the two-blade version, but $160 is the best price I can find, which is a pretty penny for a knife in my estimation, and I'm still on the fence about it.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: cody6268 on June 21, 2020, 04:05:47 AM
Carbon steel is tough and easy to sharpen, but not very high on the edge retention, corrosion resistance, and many performance steels are tougher and more wear resistant.  The Cold Steel Ranch Boss (which I recall was made by Canal Street Cutlery Co.)was S30V, Queen used a lot of 154CM, ATS34, and D2 (and some of their early "440 Stainless" knives were 440C, not 440A). I use a D2 Railsplitter quite a lot. My question is--why don't we see more of it? While Buck 420HC is really good, Rough Ryder 440A decent, and Case Tru-Sharp OK, they are not the best. I sharpen my 420HC 110 far more than I do my 440C 110 from the mid 1970s. And that is sharpened more than my CPM-154 version.  Pretty much, the only thing "upgraded" in traditional steels is the occasional Euro traditional in Sandvik 12C27 or 440C (which the Italians seem to love).   S30V is a very good steel, and is well suited to a workingman's knife. The Bohler stainless steels are very well balanced with great corrosion resistance and edge retention.

Of course, I'd say it's down to cost. Look what Cases are these days! Imagine a GEC in a premium steel. The price would be nuts!  But, why not?  Sometimes, I like the form of traditional knives over more modern designs .
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 21, 2020, 07:42:09 AM
Carbon steel is tough and easy to sharpen, but not very high on the edge retention, corrosion resistance, and many performance steels are tougher and more wear resistant.  The Cold Steel Ranch Boss (which I recall was made by Canal Street Cutlery Co.)was S30V, Queen used a lot of 154CM, ATS34, and D2 (and some of their early "440 Stainless" knives were 440C, not 440A). I use a D2 Railsplitter quite a lot. My question is--why don't we see more of it? While Buck 420HC is really good, Rough Ryder 440A decent, and Case Tru-Sharp OK, they are not the best. I sharpen my 420HC 110 far more than I do my 440C 110 from the mid 1970s. And that is sharpened more than my CPM-154 version.  Pretty much, the only thing "upgraded" in traditional steels is the occasional Euro traditional in Sandvik 12C27 or 440C (which the Italians seem to love).   S30V is a very good steel, and is well suited to a workingman's knife. The Bohler stainless steels are very well balanced with great corrosion resistance and edge retention.

Of course, I'd say it's down to cost. Look what Cases are these days! Imagine a GEC in a premium steel. The price would be nuts!  But, why not?  Sometimes, I like the form of traditional knives over more modern designs .

I think you've hit on a good example with Buck.  Some of their popular models, including the 110, 112, and Squire, are available in their standard 420HC, but also premium steels like S30V, S35VN, and 20CV.  The premium steel models are roughly twice the price of the standard models.  I'd gladly pay twice the price of, say, a standard Case knife to get a premium steel version.  I refuse, however, to pay ten times the price, which is what the Case/Tony Bose collaborations in 154CM seem to go for.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 27, 2020, 08:10:21 AM
Another Case Trapper in 154CM...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 01, 2020, 06:19:16 AM
It's how 'did' I like it I'm afraid. I had one of the originals. It was simply too thick behind the edge to be a slicer and despite the 'supersteel' it wouldn't hold an edge which was weird. I had it set up by 3 different sharpening pro's but to no use. I just gave up. It's a shame, otherwise it was a brilliant, perfect knife, in hand, in pocket, for the eye, etc. I've heard that the second run was thinner behind the edge and there was some controversy about the hardening of the steel which seems to have blown over but I've transitioned over to carrying a SAK full time these days.

Well, I succumbed (as we all knew I eventually would), and snagged one with a single clip-point blade and green G-10 handle.  The video review by the US distributor notes exactly what you said, that the original spear point blade was criticized for being too thick behind the edge, and that this and other later blades are thinner.  Initial impressions overall are positive, but we shall see...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on July 01, 2020, 12:50:17 PM
Good score!     :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on July 01, 2020, 05:58:21 PM
Well, I succumbed (as we all knew I eventually would), and snagged one with a single clip-point blade and green G-10 handle.  The video review by the US distributor notes exactly what you said, that the original spear point blade was criticized for being too thick behind the edge, and that this and other later blades are thinner.  Initial impressions overall are positive, but we shall see...

I'd be interested in your thoughts!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 13, 2020, 06:32:48 AM
I'd be interested in your thoughts!

I haven't given it quite as thorough a workout as I might like, but here are some thoughts after carrying it some and playing around with it for about ten days:

Likes


Dislikes
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on July 13, 2020, 01:09:53 PM
I haven't given it quite as thorough a workout as I might like, but here are some thoughts after carrying it some and playing around with it for about ten days:

Likes
  • Blade is very sharp right out of the box.  The factory edge passed the cigar trimming test.
  • Thanks to the titanium liners & bolsters, the knife is considerably lighter than someone (who is more used to knives with liners & bolsters of brass, nickel silver, or stainless steel) might expect.
  • The shape of this blade approaches the ideal clip blade IMO. The tip is acute without being weak.  The clipped portion of the blade is neither too long, nor too short, nor too deep, nor too shallow.  The top of the clip is not over-exaggerated.  The swedge is a nice touch.
  • The blade can easily be opened by pinching it.  This is nice to have on a knife that isn't OHO, and in my experience can really save one's fingernails if using the knife very frequently.
  • Overall fit & finish are good.
  • While not a big deal to me personally (I'm a righty anyway), I note that matching nail nicks on both sides of the blade make it fully ambidextrous.


Dislikes
  • The blade has a half stop.  I agree a half stop has value on some tools (e.g. SAK screwdrivers), but I really hate seeing them on knife blades.  I understand some makers think half stops are a safety feature, the idea being that a half stop makes closing the knife on one's fingers less likely.  My position is that, if someone has the knowledge and sense to use a slipjoint safely, having a half stop doesn't make them any safer; if someone does not have the knowledge and or sense to use a slipjoint safely, having a half stop is unlikely to save them from injuring themselves anyway.  It just basically adds another two steps each time you use the knife.  Did I mention I hate half stops on knife blades... :rant:
  • I'm generally a big fan of G-10 scales, as I consider G-10 to be one of the toughest scale materials available (with the exception of all-metal scales).  YMMV, but I consider the texturing of these G-10 scales to be more aggressive than desirable, and I might have gone with a different handle material if I had to choose over again.  How did you like the carbon fiber scales?
  • While it isn't a deal-breaker for me, as I rarely attach lanyards to my knives, the lack of a lanyard hole, bail, hollow screw, etc. could be a negative for some.

I really like a half stop myself, I love the feel of the engineering that goes into making it work if that makes sense? My CF scales were really great. smooth but still grippy when wet. I've heard that some people got really rough CF however.

How is the blade thickness, specifically behind the edge? Mine from the first batch was so bad that the knife was a really bad cutter. They were supposed to have improved since then however.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on July 13, 2020, 01:10:58 PM
(http://www.timelessjewishart.com/EDC_zx/buck_10.jpg)

Carrying this one today. It helped me out of a problem yesterday, a task where the SAK steel gave up very fast but the CPM154 kept on going right till the end and was still shaving sharp.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Ron Who on July 14, 2020, 06:34:36 PM
I really like a half stop myself, I love the feel of the engineering that goes into making it work if that makes sense?

I also like half stops but I don´t think there´s much engineering involved. On a half stop blade the end of the tang is square, else it is rounded. That´s all.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 16, 2020, 05:33:57 AM
How is the blade thickness, specifically behind the edge? Mine from the first batch was so bad that the knife was a really bad cutter. They were supposed to have improved since then however.

Doesn't seem to be an issue, though to be fair:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 16, 2020, 05:35:29 AM
Case Tiny Toothpick in 154CM...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on July 16, 2020, 11:23:17 AM
Case Tiny Toothpick in 154CM...

Wow, what a great knife, concept and execution!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 16, 2020, 03:58:42 PM
 :iagree:  :drool:

Thats pretty wonderful.  I've got a CRKT Toothpick that I do really like.  A Case in 154  :ahhh. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on July 17, 2020, 06:12:07 AM
:iagree:  :drool:

Thats pretty wonderful.  I've got a CRKT Toothpick that I do really like.  A Case in 154  :ahhh.

Yup, I have a really nice Kissing Crane toothpick with some nice stag but it's 440A and I rarely carry it. The idea of one with 154...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 18, 2020, 06:23:52 AM
A.G. Russell Toothpick in ATS-34, with an interesting sort of hybrid linerlock/framelock...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 18, 2020, 06:42:48 AM
A.G. Russell lockback in ATS-34...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2020, 01:09:33 AM
A couple of sweet ones there Nate  !    How about a pic showing how the lock engages the blade   :pok:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 02, 2020, 01:13:47 AM
A couple of sweet ones there Nate  !    How about a pic showing how the lock engages the blade   :pok:

Looks like someone almost simultaneously posted a pic of this type of lock in the A.G. Russell Knives thread!   :D
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 02, 2020, 01:18:07 AM
Queen Trapper in ATS-34...

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Post by: David on August 02, 2020, 02:37:57 AM
Verah nice!     :tu:     :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 18, 2020, 04:47:24 AM
Case Cattaraugus Cutlery Gunstock in ATS-34...

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Post by: nate j on August 18, 2020, 04:49:49 AM
A.G. Russell Arkansas Toothpick in ATS-34 (wood handle & bolster lock)...
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Post by: nate j on August 18, 2020, 04:50:30 AM
A.G. Russell Arkansas Toothpick in ATS-34 (wood handle & bolster lock), continued...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 18, 2020, 03:31:24 PM
That Gunstock has some great blades.  Really liking how Case did a swedge on both.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on December 28, 2020, 09:17:30 PM
Case Trapper in ATS-34.  I'm loving the clip blade on this one; the shape; the long pull, the swedge...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on December 29, 2020, 01:11:48 AM
Albers Cutco

CPM154

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOEd2BK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Cd0HIAN.jpg)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on December 29, 2020, 07:28:34 AM
Albers Cutco

CPM154

(https://i.imgur.com/ZOEd2BK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Cd0HIAN.jpg)
That’s a beauty, Steve!

I have to admit, I wasn’t familiar with Albers Cutlery, but having looked it up, I definitely want one now.  Prices seem very reasonable too.  It seems the real trick is finding any in stock.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on December 29, 2020, 01:54:54 PM
Thanks Nate  :cheers:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on February 23, 2021, 06:27:59 AM
I'm stoked to have finally snagged one of these!  Tuna Valley Swell Center Moose in 154CM and India Stag...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on February 23, 2021, 06:28:32 AM
One more pic...
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on February 23, 2021, 02:09:11 PM
Nice Moose Nate !   :cheers:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on March 03, 2021, 08:25:59 PM
I'm stoked to have finally snagged one of these!  Tuna Valley Swell Center Moose in 154CM and India Stag...

Missed this ^^.    :drool:  congrats.  This is a superb looking knife. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on March 03, 2021, 09:54:05 PM
Thanks guys!   :cheers:

IMO, this is the way a Moose should ideally be, with one clip and one spear blade.  More useful than Case (and others), who seem to think the second blade should be a spey blade.

I also don't understand how anyone who has actually carried a knife loose in his/her pocket can't appreciate the value of rounded over square bolsters.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on March 16, 2021, 01:26:16 AM
Case Backpocket in 154CM...

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on March 16, 2021, 02:13:32 AM
Nice one Nate !   :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on March 16, 2021, 03:01:40 AM
I'm stoked to have finally snagged one of these!  Tuna Valley Swell Center Moose in 154CM and India Stag...

A real beauty! Thats what a Moose should be. Great score.    :tu:     :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on December 09, 2021, 06:20:23 AM
I was tickled to snag this Robert Klaas lockback in ATS-34…
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Post by: Aloha on December 09, 2021, 05:55:09 PM
Thats a beauty. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on December 10, 2021, 05:46:02 AM
 :iagree: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on January 17, 2022, 04:47:22 AM
Excited to receive this Case Brothers Seahorse Whittler in ATS-34.

The Seahorse Whittler (a Case trademark; referred to as a Wharncliffe Whittler or English Whitter by others) is an interesting pattern.  The first time I ever saw one, I remember thinking it was incredibly ugly.  Holding this one in hand, I begin to appreciate the utility of the pattern, at least as a dedicated whittling knife.  It also has a couple of features that I really like to see in any traditional knife, including no exposed sharp corners when the knife is closed and a blade that can be pinched open.

Besides not being a fan of wharncliffe main blades in general, the blades on this pattern are just small.  Even the main blade only measures about 2.3”, in spite of the knife being 4” closed.  Not a problem for a dedicated whittler, but not necessarily ideal for a general use pocketknife.  A lot of knives boast main blades around 2.5” at only 3.25” closed, or alternatively, knives that are about 4” closed often have at least one blade that is 3.3” or longer.

W&T and F&F on this example are very good.    It came to me as a used knife, and though the blades look pristine, it has no box and a crack in one of the scales, so it is going in the user pile.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on January 17, 2022, 05:39:44 AM
Very nice !   :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on January 18, 2022, 05:24:04 AM
 :like: Congrats.  A single blade or 2 blade would also be pretty great.  I guess then it wouldn't be a whittler  :facepalm:. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on March 01, 2022, 06:55:39 AM
Though I wasn’t initially familiar with the maker, I was pumped to score what appears to be a sowbelly stockman handmade by one Mark Entwistle.

Other than the “Entwistle” maker’s mark on the main clip blade, there are no other markings anywhere on the knife, but the CoA indicates ATS-34.

Fit and finish are excellent.  All blades open and close cleanly, though the pull is on the lighter side (nothing wrong with that IMO).
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on March 01, 2022, 11:47:05 AM
Excited to receive this Case Brothers Seahorse Whittler in ATS-34.

The Seahorse Whittler (a Case trademark; referred to as a Wharncliffe Whittler or English Whitter by others) is an interesting pattern.  The first time I ever saw one, I remember thinking it was incredibly ugly.  Holding this one in hand, I begin to appreciate the utility of the pattern, at least as a dedicated whittling knife.  It also has a couple of features that I really like to see in any traditional knife, including no exposed sharp corners when the knife is closed and a blade that can be pinched open.

Besides not being a fan of wharncliffe main blades in general, the blades on this pattern are just small.  Even the main blade only measures about 2.3”, in spite of the knife being 4” closed.  Not a problem for a dedicated whittler, but not necessarily ideal for a general use pocketknife.  A lot of knives boast main blades around 2.5” at only 3.25” closed, or alternatively, knives that are about 4” closed often have at least one blade that is 3.3” or longer.

W&T and F&F on this example are very good.    It came to me as a used knife, and though the blades look pristine, it has no box and a crack in one of the scales, so it is going in the user pile.

Beautiful Whittler!    :tu:

Though I wasn’t initially familiar with the maker, I was pumped to score what appears to be a sowbelly stockman handmade by one Mark Entwistle.

Other than the “Entwistle” maker’s mark on the main clip blade, there are no other markings anywhere on the knife, but the CoA indicates ATS-34.

Fit and finish are excellent.  All blades open and close cleanly, though the pull is on the lighter side (nothing wrong with that IMO).

 :tu:    :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on March 01, 2022, 01:45:40 PM
 :iagree: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on March 01, 2022, 04:38:31 PM
NATE, are you kidding me with this one  :ahhh.  Wowzers.  This is a gorgeous knife.  Congrats to you  :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on March 03, 2022, 04:25:21 AM
Thanks all!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on March 17, 2022, 05:11:31 AM
Case C. Platts Sons clasp knife in ATS-34…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on March 18, 2022, 01:03:17 PM
 :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on March 19, 2022, 01:50:47 AM
Case C. Platts Sons clasp knife in ATS-34…

Really nice knife!     :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 08, 2022, 03:42:38 AM
Well, I finally managed to snag one of these at what I thought was a reasonable price.  Case Tony Bose Premium Stockman in 154CM and brown bone…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on June 08, 2022, 05:29:46 AM
Sweet !    :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on June 08, 2022, 03:24:26 PM
 :hatsoff:  Good for you.  Looks great  :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on June 09, 2022, 02:56:50 AM
Well, I finally managed to snag one of these at what I thought was a reasonable price.  Case Tony Bose Premium Stockman in 154CM and brown bone…

Awesome score! Beautiful Stockman.    :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: cody6268 on July 01, 2022, 03:15:33 AM
Case is trying their hand it at again.

I figured that when they started using S35VN on the Kinzua and Marilla when they were introduced, they would do a traditional folder in the steel.

Handles are burnt amber jig bone. The MSRP is $142, but the street price is under $100 at $95.

https://casexx.com/Handle/DisplayHandlePageFH.asp?MaterialAutoID=608

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I'm hoping they do some in Magnacut as well, seeing as an SMKW special run uses that steel.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 01, 2022, 07:31:08 AM
Case is trying their hand it at again.

I figured that when they started using S35VN on the Kinzua and Marilla when they were introduced, they would do a traditional folder in the steel.

Handles are burnt amber jig bone. The MSRP is $142, but the street price is under $100 at $95.

https://casexx.com/Handle/DisplayHandlePageFH.asp?MaterialAutoID=608

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I'm hoping they do some in Magnacut as well, seeing as an SMKW special run uses that steel.
I’m glad to see this.  I’ve long thought Case was missing the boat by not offering some of their traditional patterns in higher end steels as part of their regular lineup at a reasonable premium to their standard SS and CV.  Hopefully they continue adding patterns to the lineup.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Farmer X on July 01, 2022, 09:11:14 AM
 :iagree:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on July 01, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
Too bad about the ugly holes in the blades   :(
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: cody6268 on July 01, 2022, 04:19:21 PM
Too bad about the ugly holes in the blades   :(

I wonder if it was a limitation of equipment? As in their nick-cutting equipment couldn't handle S35VN, so they just cut them out when the blades were laser-cut/blanked?

Anyway, the cutouts remind me of some off-shore made knife (i.e. Frost), or Swiza (which also aren't that great).
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 01, 2022, 04:26:53 PM
Very nice Case is offering trads with premium steels.  I'm not liking the cutouts either.  Maybe this is something they'll continue  :think:. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Farmer X on July 01, 2022, 05:07:33 PM
The e-mail that Shepherd Hills sent me claimed the holes were for easy opening. Not sure if Case awlso made that claim. Based solely on my experience with my Bear & Son 109, it could be a dubious claim.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 01, 2022, 05:09:44 PM
Fair enough but even with my short nails and thick fingers I've not had issues with nail nicks.  Those cutouts IMO uglifies the blades. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Farmer X on July 01, 2022, 05:40:42 PM
 They do look rather out of place in a traditional frame.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 02, 2022, 04:06:16 PM
I'm just going to put this here if anyone is interested in a Tony Bose very deeply discounted and a Tribal Lock to boot. 

https://casexx.com
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 08, 2022, 05:38:49 PM
I took advantage of the link above I provided.  Well my lovely partner did.  I am the proud owner of a Premium Stockman.   :woohoo:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Farmer X on July 08, 2022, 09:27:27 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on July 09, 2022, 01:43:16 AM
 :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 09, 2022, 07:30:53 AM
Thank you. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on July 09, 2022, 03:35:15 PM
Too bad about the ugly holes in the blades   :(

The holes reminds me of Scagel knives. Case is doing nothing new. William Scagel was one of the very early custom knife makers. He lived from 1873 to 1963 if I remember correctly. His knives inspired Bo Randall to start making knives. Quite a few of the Northwoods knives have the opening holes also.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2022, 02:44:06 AM
Do I need premium steel to cut mangos?  No but it was sure nice. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on July 11, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 11, 2022, 03:47:35 PM
We are down to the last one.  We bought a box and have enjoyed them each morning and night.  They were so darn yummy.  I think only one was not perfect. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on July 19, 2022, 03:53:41 AM
Case 18 pattern Stockman in S35VN

Overall, I really like this knife.  F&F are excellent, the color and jigging pattern of the bone are nice, and the brushed bolsters sort of match the more brushed (almost as-ground) finish of the blades.

With this knife and Trapper in the same series, Case has done something laudable IMO, i.e. provided quality traditional knives in premium steel at a street price under $100.  I wonder if Case chose two of their most popular patterns as a bit of a test, to try to gauge demand.  Hopefully it is successful, and they expand the line.

As for the holes in the blades, while I would still prefer the more traditional nail nicks, they are pretty much a wash functionally, and not as offensive aesthetically in person as I feared.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on July 19, 2022, 04:07:31 AM
Case 18 pattern Stockman in S35VN

Overall, I really like this knife.  F&F are excellent, the color and jigging pattern of the bone are nice, and the brushed bolsters sort of match the more brushed (almost as-ground) finish of the blades.

With this knife and Trapper in the same series, Case has done something laudable IMO, i.e. provided quality traditional knives in premium steel at a street price under $100.  I wonder if Case chose two of their most popular patterns as a bit of a test, to try to gauge demand.  Hopefully it is successful, and they expand the line.

As for the holes in the blades, while I would still prefer the more traditional nail nicks, they are pretty much a wash functionally, and not as offensive aesthetically in person as I feared.

Good score! I like it.     :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on July 19, 2022, 06:23:43 AM
While I am not loving the holes in the blades, I am happy they made this knife.  Not much to dislike with S35VN and a Stockman. 

Darn darn darn.

Congrats  :like:     
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on July 19, 2022, 01:58:50 PM
 :iagree: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: LoopCutter on July 19, 2022, 03:36:11 PM
Very nice!
 :like: :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Farmer X on July 20, 2022, 05:54:00 AM
I'm awlso glad that Case made that move. Hopefully they'll prove popular and I'll be able to snag one in the future.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 01, 2022, 02:47:17 AM
I see the Case S35VN Medium Stockman is starting to be out of stock at most dealers (although the Trapper is mostly still available).  Hopefully this strong demand will encourage Case to continue and expand the line.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: LoopCutter on August 01, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
 I acquired a Buck slip joint with updated design and materials that consider a TRADITIONAL.

THE Saunter 250 appears to be fashioned after the Canoe pattern.

S35VN Steel, Carbon Fiber scales, torx screw assembly. A 2022 Limited release with a price to match😢. 

I like it, and it is part of my rotation. And despite the work I have put it through the blade cuts today as it did when it arrived with out any touch up effort. 

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Thoughts?
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 01, 2022, 11:47:46 PM
I acquired a Buck slip joint with updated design and materials that consider a TRADITIONAL.

THE Saunter 250 appears to be fashioned after the Canoe pattern.

S35VN Steel, Carbon Fiber scales, torx screw assembly. A 2022 Limited release with a price to match

I like it, and it is part of my rotation. And despite the work I have put it through the blade cuts today as it did when it arrived with out any touch up effort. 

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Thoughts?
I think many wouldn’t consider it a traditional due to torx screw construction, but regardless it looks like a nice knife!
:tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 02, 2022, 05:28:04 PM
I hope Case does well with those S35 trads.  Be nice to see more coming out in different patterns.  I'm still loving my Tony Bose Premium Stockman quite a lot so my temptations are at a all time low. 

We'll see how long this will last  :whistle:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on August 02, 2022, 05:38:50 PM
I hope Case does well with those S35 trads.  Be nice to see more coming out in different patterns.  I'm still loving my Tony Bose Premium Stockman quite a lot so my temptations are at a all time low. 

We'll see how long this will last  :whistle:

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 23, 2022, 02:09:16 AM
A.G. Russell Muskrat(?) in ATS-34, black MoP with abalone inlays…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 23, 2022, 03:03:53 AM
Buck/A.G. Russell Canoe in 154 CM, S30V, and stag…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 23, 2022, 06:58:02 AM
So the Buck/A.G. Russell Canoe in 154 CM, S30V, and stag has one of each steels?  Both those knives shown are pretty great.    :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 23, 2022, 12:17:31 PM
Yes, the spear point is 154 CM and the wharnie is S30V.  Both are stamped but it’s hard to read; will have to try for some better pics.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on August 23, 2022, 02:09:45 PM
Cool Canoe !    :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 23, 2022, 03:39:15 PM
Now that is really neat.   :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: pomsbz on August 26, 2022, 06:14:42 AM
A.G. Russell Muskrat(?) in ATS-34, black MoP with abalone inlays…

That is really really nice.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 29, 2022, 04:09:44 AM
Looks like Case’s small run of S35VN trads did well enough to prompt another run with some additional patterns, and covers this time are jigged buffalo horn.  October delivery is forecast, but some dealers appear to be taking pre-orders.

They all still have the holes in place of nail nicks though.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 29, 2022, 04:51:35 PM
I'm happy to hear this.  I do hope the QC was up to par as well. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on August 29, 2022, 10:11:35 PM
QC was good on the burnt amber bone ones I got.
:tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on August 30, 2022, 01:36:33 AM
Way to go Case.  I'm am so happy to hear this.  I've become a big Case fan.  I've also been pretty lucky it seems with knives that are in great shape. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on September 03, 2022, 12:10:29 AM
Tuna Valley Railsplitter in 154CM and burnt stag…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on September 03, 2022, 05:36:45 AM
Tuna Valley Railsplitter in 154CM and burnt stag…

Nate that is a beauty !   :drool:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on September 03, 2022, 07:36:49 AM
 :iagree: I've seen this brand and they do some nice work. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on November 06, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on November 06, 2022, 09:44:56 PM
Although it’s been mentioned in other threads, here’s the two-bladed Buck 301 Stockman in S30V & micarta that was the October 2022 BOTM.

The brushed brass bolsters are starting to develop a patina after only a handful of days in pocket.

The razor sharp flat ground S30V blades are excellent cutters.

Because the 301 has one blade per layer (each blade on a dedicated back spring), dropping from three blades to two noticeably reduces the thickness and weight.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on November 06, 2022, 09:49:49 PM
A.G. Russell Premium Scout in 154CM and micarta.

I’m impressed with the F&F on this knife.  The back springs aren’t terribly strong (which I’m fine with), but the tools click open and closed with precision, and there is no blade rub as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on December 09, 2022, 01:45:55 AM
Queen small penknife in ATS-34 and MOP…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: David on December 10, 2022, 02:15:35 AM
Good score on the Queen Nate!     :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on December 10, 2022, 08:13:16 AM
Good score on the Queen Nate!     :like:
Thank you! :salute:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on December 10, 2022, 03:27:30 PM
Premium steel and MOP, heck of a combination.  Nice catch.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on January 10, 2023, 09:03:54 PM
S&M Folding Hunter in ATS-34 and brown worm groove bone…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on January 11, 2023, 03:34:07 PM
Thats a beauty. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Adam5 on January 30, 2023, 12:19:34 PM
Case Sod Buster Jr with buffalo horn scales and S35VN blade

(https://i.imgur.com/vOKVlz5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xUbvIpY.jpg)
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on January 30, 2023, 12:22:04 PM
Case Sod Buster Jr with buffalo horn scales and S35VN blade

(https://i.imgur.com/vOKVlz5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xUbvIpY.jpg)
Nice one, Adam!
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on January 30, 2023, 03:30:47 PM
Just turned a great work knife into amazing work knife.  That is also a great looking soddie as well.

Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Adam5 on January 30, 2023, 11:43:52 PM
Thanks, nate and Aloha  :cheers:

I foresee this one getting a lot of pocket time  :D
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on February 05, 2023, 12:40:35 AM
Pilot test run 18 pattern medium stockman in amber peach seed jigged bone and 20CV…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on February 05, 2023, 01:02:32 AM
 :like: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on February 05, 2023, 04:26:55 AM
NEED.  You have one of the coolest Premium trad collections.   :like:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: bryan123 on February 05, 2023, 03:10:01 PM
Some Buck knives can be custom ordered with SV30.
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: LoopCutter on February 05, 2023, 06:03:32 PM
Nate that is a beauty !   :drool:


 :iagree:  :like: It very much. 😉

Also, please post your Canoe in the Canoe thread.  Others need to enjoy your beautiful knife as well😉
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on February 05, 2023, 06:54:29 PM
Thanks all!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on February 25, 2023, 04:53:56 AM
Case Bros Cutlery Co stamped Trapper in ATS-34…
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on March 05, 2023, 05:26:42 PM
 :like:  Another very nice addition to your collection. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: LoopCutter on March 05, 2023, 06:19:41 PM
Case Bros Cutlery Co stamped Trapper in ATS-34…
Very nice!   
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on April 07, 2023, 02:16:20 AM
Case 18 pattern Stockman in S35VN and buffalo horn
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on April 08, 2023, 03:18:40 AM
Looks great.  Its awesome Case is offering these. 
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on April 09, 2023, 01:53:02 PM
 :iagree: :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: LoopCutter on April 09, 2023, 02:32:34 PM
 :like: :iagree: 2
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: nate j on June 20, 2023, 10:13:09 PM
Case Cattaraugus Cutlery Company Gunstock in ATS-34 and red jigged bone
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: SteveC on June 24, 2023, 12:08:57 AM
Nice !    :tu:
Title: Re: Traditional Knives, Premium Steels
Post by: Aloha on June 24, 2023, 04:51:43 PM
 :like: That is nice.