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Title: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 09:07:30 AM
Well Gents, 3D printed prototypes have been made, a provisional patent has been filed, CAD files being sent to machine shops for metal prototypes.

Things to note:
1. All the tools on the handles can be removed and replaced/swapped in just seconds! (this pivot system is what is being patented)
2. All the tools are outside accessible
3. The bottom of the pliers have been flattened to provide a large hammer/pommel area!
4. The bit driver opens to the centerline of the tool
5. The wire cutters are not only replaceable - but made to fit replaceable carbide tips from lathes
6. There will be a choice of dozens of modules/tools to choose from! Different knife steels, serrated or plain edge, flashlight, lock picks, screwdrivers, flint stick/fire starter, etc.

Any questions, comments, or concerns please don't be shy :)

Here are some of the renderings
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: alexTOOL on September 21, 2018, 11:12:47 AM
Hello!:

Could I make any questions, please?

-Weight?
-Dimensions?
-Locking tools? if not will it be provided?
-Release date?
-Price?
-More pics-videos on real prototype?

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Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: hiraethus on September 21, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
It's all good.  GOAT Tools has a Crowdsourcing subscription. :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 11:48:35 AM
Hello!:

Could I make any questions, please?

-Weight?
depends on tool configuration. 9-12+ oz
-Dimensions?
110x34x22mm
-Locking tools? if not will it be provided?
yes! All tools lock into place. There is a dual purpose lever in each handle that unlocks the tools as well as releases them from the pivot (more details coming soon)
-Release date?
shooting to launch campaign in spring, deliver in summer 2019
-Price?
hoping to keep it under $100 USD with set of modules. It will be made in USA so margins will be tighter than having it manufacturered over seas
-More pics-videos on real prototype?
we are currently working on a video to showcase the modular pivot functionality. I don't have a timeline and n it's release yet, check back soon!

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Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Don Pablo on September 21, 2018, 11:50:54 AM
The concept is very interesting! :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 21, 2018, 01:12:46 PM
I really like the design!

Some thoughts, feel free to ignore them.  :D

- I like the long blades on the scissors, but will the short handle provide enough leverage to use them effectively?
- I also like the X-Acto blade holder, but I am wondering if the replaceable blade and main blade position should be swapped so that the replaceable blade gets dulled faster than the main blade?
- Speaking of the X-Acto holder, should it be shorter to bring the blade closer to the handle for better control over the blade?
- I love the add-on feature for keys, USB drives etc. 
- Will the blades and other functions be user replaceable like the old SOG models were?
- It seems to be sized similar to the old Victorinox Autotool, which failed miserably largely due to the excessive size.  Does that seem like it will be a significant problem for this one?
- What carry method?  Will it come with a sheath?  I assume a pocket clip is out of the question.
- Can you also consider a blunt nosed plier version?  Needle nose type pliers don't benefit much from large, bulky handles.

It looks like an amazing tool, and I am looking forward to seeing it in person when it gets produced.  Please put me down for one of the very first ones produced!

Def
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: MMR on September 21, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
Dumb question;

Will it be that the customer customises their MT on e.g. your website with the tools they want or will you have several models with different tools and then offer (like SOG) that one can order the different tools separately and add them themselves?

..Or are you guys doing something completely different?

Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Wspeed on September 21, 2018, 02:04:22 PM
Looks very interesting
can’t wait to see the finished product  :like: :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 21, 2018, 02:33:23 PM

- It seems to be sized similar to the old Victorinox Autotool, which failed miserably largely due to the excessive size.  Does that seem like it will be a significant problem for this one?


I agree. One of the key things I look at with any new tool is ergonomics. I don't care that features it has if I'll be leaving it at home due to being too cumbersome or uncomfortable. Judging purely from the rendering, I think I would find that particular item too unwieldy. A slimmer half width version might be more to my liking though.

I agree on the blunt nosed plier option too.

Would the carbide lathe inserts render them as facepalmingly pathetic as the evaporating cutters on Gerbers? I would suggest looking to high speed steels. Not only would this be better for your tool, but your inserts might render a new MP600 or CentreDrive usable too  ;) (business opportunity increased to cover aftermarket sales for other brands, as well as your own)
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 21, 2018, 03:09:22 PM
Looks very promising.  :woohoo:

I'm looking forward to see what cunning plan you come up with for the tool unlocking/release lever thing...  :popcorn:

Any thoughts yet on marketing? I'd personally go for various pre-assembled entire tools with different implement complements and with all or most options sold separately.
Someone mentioned a pocket clip... might be interesting regardless of the size (some people have large pockets).

@Grant: I think "needle-nose" doesn't quite apply here. It's a cross that appears to include relatively narrow, yet thick tips... Gives storage advantages as it's less in the way of any (long) handle tools but retains strength. My engineer's eye likes it. One downside is that narrow spaces such as often found around nuts/bolt heads are not accessible with this...
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 10:47:19 PM
I really like the design!

Some thoughts, feel free to ignore them.  :D

Ignore constructive criticism from our customers, peers, and fellow DIYers? That's not how we operate at GOAT Tools :cheers:

- I like the long blades on the scissors, but will the short handle provide enough leverage to use them effectively?
Trying to obtain as much scissor blade real estate as possible - if the prototypes prove ineffective the pivot will be moved closer to center. In our experience scissors are not usually used for tasks requiring a large amount of force
- I also like the X-Acto blade holder, but I am wondering if the replaceable blade and main blade position should be swapped so that the replaceable blade gets dulled faster than the main blade?
Yes! See images below. The long tools can be placed in any of the 4 outer slots (2 per handle)
- Speaking of the X-Acto holder, should it be shorter to bring the blade closer to the handle for better control over the blade?
See below, this design is meant to be removed and used as a traditional precision knife. We could also design a short version to be used while holding the MT
- I love the add-on feature for keys, USB drives etc. 
- Will the blades and other functions be user replaceable like the old SOG models were?
Absolutely! This is our primary mission for the multitool. Pick whichever tools you need, arrange them as you desire, and replace as needed
- It seems to be sized similar to the old Victorinox Autotool, which failed miserably largely due to the excessive size.  Does that seem like it will be a significant problem for this one?
Certainly hope it won't be an issue. It is only a few mm larger than the ever-popular Wave. If our tester feedback reiterates your concern we will likely remove one of the available tool slots (5 on each handle instead of 6) and slim the tool
- What carry method?  Will it come with a sheath?  I assume a pocket clip is out of the question.
See image below for one of the concept sheaths. It will be an injection molded 'Holster' style for quick and easy access. Also intend to have a MOLLE style sheath. Depending on demand we might offer classic leather
- Can you also consider a blunt nosed plier version?  Needle nose type pliers don't benefit much from large, bulky handles.
If the tool is successful enough we will be offering numerous plier options. (shears, blunt nose, crimpers/strippers, etc)

It looks like an amazing tool, and I am looking forward to seeing it in person when it gets produced.  Please put me down for one of the very first ones produced!

Def
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 10:51:06 PM

Would the carbide lathe inserts render them as facepalmingly pathetic as the evaporating cutters on Gerbers? I would suggest looking to high speed steels. Not only would this be better for your tool, but your inserts might render a new MP600 or CentreDrive usable too  ;) (business opportunity increased to cover aftermarket sales for other brands, as well as your own)
I'm not sure if Gerber is making their cutters in-house or utilizing carbide inserts available elsewhere. We will be testing with industrial carbide inserts that are made for machine shops. If they prove to be too brittle, we will definitely be going a different route :tu:.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 10:56:46 PM
Looks very promising.  :woohoo:

I'm looking forward to see what cunning plan you come up with for the tool unlocking/release lever thing...  :popcorn:

Any thoughts yet on marketing? I'd personally go for various pre-assembled entire tools with different implement complements and with all or most options sold separately.
Someone mentioned a pocket clip... might be interesting regardless of the size (some people have large pockets).
We are going to be adding a removable pocket clip that will mount externally

@Grant: I think "needle-nose" doesn't quite apply here. It's a cross that appears to include relatively narrow, yet thick tips... Gives storage advantages as it's less in the way of any (long) handle tools but retains strength. My engineer's eye likes it. One downside is that narrow spaces such as often found around nuts/bolt heads are not accessible with this...
Dumb question;

Will it be that the customer customises their MT on e.g. your website with the tools they want or will you have several models with different tools and then offer (like SOG) that one can order the different tools separately and add them themselves?

..Or are you guys doing something completely different?
We intend to have a few 'curated' models that will be stocked with preselected tools for various markets (Outdoors, handyman, IT professional, gun range, etc). Ideally, customers will select a core (handles + pliers) and then choose just the tools they want = customized.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 21, 2018, 11:10:07 PM

Would the carbide lathe inserts render them as facepalmingly pathetic as the evaporating cutters on Gerbers? I would suggest looking to high speed steels. Not only would this be better for your tool, but your inserts might render a new MP600 or CentreDrive usable too  ;) (business opportunity increased to cover aftermarket sales for other brands, as well as your own)

I'm not sure if Gerber is making their cutters in-house or utilizing carbide inserts available elsewhere. We will be testing with industrial carbide inserts that are made for machine shops. If they prove to be too brittle, we will definitely be going a different route :tu:.

I don't think the Gerber ones are turning inserts, but there was a thread a while ago where someone used lathe inserts instead of paying the elevated Gerber prices. If I remember correctly, there wasn't much improvement, even moving to a tougher grade - but it might have been a seating issue  :think:

It might be worth doing a forum search for more details  :tu:

Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: alexTOOL on September 21, 2018, 11:27:32 PM
I think it would be more interesting a more portable multitool. like Skeletool-Powerlitre-PPP size, with clip (9-12 oz is a brick!)

Thanks

Good luck
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: MMR on September 21, 2018, 11:36:51 PM

Dumb question;

Will it be that the customer customises their MT on e.g. your website with the tools they want or will you have several models with different tools and then offer (like SOG) that one can order the different tools separately and add them themselves?

..Or are you guys doing something completely different?
We intend to have a few 'curated' models that will be stocked with preselected tools for various markets (Outdoors, handyman, IT professional, gun range, etc). Ideally, customers will select a core (handles + pliers) and then choose just the tools they want = customized.
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I actually really like that idea and the concept of that.

Will the bit driver be 1/4?

How many frames will you be offering or is it only the HD / large frame model you have pictured here?

Will you be shipping them internationally?


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Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 21, 2018, 11:55:30 PM


I actually really like that idea and the concept of that.

Will the bit driver be 1/4?
The bit driver is standard 1/4". Will likely be designing another version of the bit driver that will accept other companies '2D bits' as well as standard 1/4"
How many frames will you be offering or is it only the HD / large frame model you have pictured here?
Not immediately at launch, due to the vast cost of starting a line of tools. But we have it in our long term business model to expand the frame options
Will you be shipping them internationally?
Yes! Luckily since they are customizable countries that don't allow mailing knives will be able to order (sans blades, obviously). Also means users can create TSA approved arrangements ;)

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Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 22, 2018, 11:43:19 AM
Care to give more details on the tool lock/release mechanism? That would interest me a lot. The renderings and drawing suggest a conventional PST-like passive spring-type detent and not an active lock, but I'm sure not all details of the actual mechanism are shown here.

Whatever the mechanism is that you guys came up with, it seems a far from trivial task to make this work reliably and still solid and usable enough, assuming it is not based on simply withdrawing a tool pivot pin like with all the other replaceable tools on the market.

Don't be afraid to show... Your provisional patent should be sufficient proof against copying...   ;) :D :cheers:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Antti Lammi on September 22, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
Idea of this tool is excellent, i love idea how you can swap tools needed, that also is my concern how good that mechanism works on long run, i mean does it become loosen over time. Also availability of extra tools is concern.

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Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: CeHo on September 22, 2018, 04:22:11 PM
I hope that the tool would be sold in Germany!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Happy Gilmore on September 22, 2018, 10:31:21 PM
The concept of this multi-tool is really exciting. I hope it comes to life!

Cheers,
H.G.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 23, 2018, 01:44:50 PM
I hope that the tool would be sold in Germany!

It would seem that international shipping is intended. Which brings me to the question of IP coverage. The term provisional patent suggests application was made only in the US. It might be advisable to extend this to other countries, including at least Canada and the European countries party to the EPC...
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 23, 2018, 11:12:00 PM
Care to give more details on the tool lock/release mechanism? That would interest me a lot. The renderings and drawing suggest a conventional PST-like passive spring-type detent and not an active lock, but I'm sure not all details of the actual mechanism are shown here.

Whatever the mechanism is that you guys came up with, it seems a far from trivial task to make this work reliably and still solid and usable enough, assuming it is not based on simply withdrawing a tool pivot pin like with all the other replaceable tools on the market.

Don't be afraid to show... Your provisional patent should be sufficient proof against copying...   ;) :D :cheers:

The provisional patent gives me filing date for coverage for 12 months with PCT and EPO  :)

This [simple] animation shows the basic functionality of the pivot system. The only thing not shown is the bottom of the handle bending as the tools are pivoting, in real life the metal is applying pressure against the tools (as well as locking the tools when they are extended). This force keeps the tools stable and in place, while being rotating through angles you might think would be unstable.

https://youtu.be/2m2Y_WowRwA
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: microbe on September 23, 2018, 11:58:12 PM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 24, 2018, 01:52:21 AM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.
GOAT is kind of a trend in the US right now. It means greatest of all time. It is also subtituted by the emoji at times. Example: Grant=
Title: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 24, 2018, 01:59:08 AM
I personally don’t mind large tools at all if their strength matches up to their size, although different frame sizes would definitely be cool. Either way, I am super excited to see this. One thing that worries me is price point. Starting something like this is hard, but starting it at a price point that will get you enough sales is harder. I don’t think that many people will pay a Charge TTI price for this tool. Not that it isn’t worth it, but it is a lot for a MT, especially for all of the “normal” people outside of this forum. Most people won’t pay Charge TTI price for, well, a Charge TTI.

I also have another question that i may have missed. Can you carry it in half-tool form?
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: microbe on September 24, 2018, 02:55:55 AM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.
GOAT is kind of a trend in the US right now. It means greatest of all time. It is also subtituted by the emoji at times. Example: Grant=

:facepalm: 
I rest my case
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 24, 2018, 03:09:57 AM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.
GOAT is kind of a trend in the US right now. It means greatest of all time. It is also subtituted by the emoji at times. Example: Grant=

:facepalm: 
I rest my case
I don’t disagree that the trend is somewhat silly, but companies that are trying to appeal to anyone under 30 that ignore trends will not do well right now or in the near future, at least not in the US. Naming your company after a trend though is, i agree, a bad idea. Maybe it stands for something else. Either way, as far as I go,
The company or tool name will not stop me from buying it if it a good tool. SOG is just as crude a name as GOAT (especially if goat is not intended to mimic the trend) and they do ok. Gerber shares it’s name with baby food and they do ok. And who even knows what KA-BAR stands for anymore. As long as you associate your chosen name with a reputation for best-in-class or close to it, I think you will be fine. Name is important, so in early stages like this maybe it is a good idea to change it, but if he is set or stuck with that name I don’t see anything wrong with it.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 04:52:06 AM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.

You are correct, it is in the prototype stage. As we stated in the original post we are transitioning from 3D printed to metal prototypes to fine tune the fit, function, and test durability. :)

GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 24, 2018, 04:55:10 AM

GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.

I like that name for sure after it’s explanation!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 24, 2018, 08:57:32 AM
Care to give more details on the tool lock/release mechanism? That would interest me a lot. The renderings and drawing suggest a conventional PST-like passive spring-type detent and not an active lock, but I'm sure not all details of the actual mechanism are shown here.

Whatever the mechanism is that you guys came up with, it seems a far from trivial task to make this work reliably and still solid and usable enough, assuming it is not based on simply withdrawing a tool pivot pin like with all the other replaceable tools on the market.

Don't be afraid to show... Your provisional patent should be sufficient proof against copying...   ;) :D :cheers:

The provisional patent gives me filing date for coverage for 12 months with PCT and EPO  :)

This [simple] animation shows the basic functionality of the pivot system. The only thing not shown is the bottom of the handle bending as the tools are pivoting, in real life the metal is applying pressure against the tools (as well as locking the tools when they are extended). This force keeps the tools stable and in place, while being rotating through angles you might think would be unstable.

https://youtu.be/2m2Y_WowRwA

Thanks very much for the explanation, this makes it rather clear what you intend to do. I've given it some thought. Kudos for the simple design - however I feel I have to draw your attention to the following issues that I see with this mechanism:
1. The tools do not actively lock in the extended state, it seems. As I surmised, it is more like a sprung detent mechanism (the spring opening is forced over the implement's lock stud by the bias of the spring, but moving the tool into the closing position makes the spring lift off the stud). Have you considered the effect of wear on the interacting surfaces of the spring opening and the studs? (Apart from the spring possibly weakening over time?) Also, it seems that adverse forces on an extended implement might easily cause it to close on a user's hand (ouch!), at least (much) more so than e.g. LM's or Vic's or SOG's active locking systems.
2. Have you considered the fact that the mechanism makes it very difficult to apply a 90°-opened locked position, which would be handy for Phillips or flat blade drivers or the bit driver? Applying a force almost, but not quite, in line with the implement opened at 90° might cause it to slip off the pivot.

Edit:
3. A half tang is less than half as strong as a full one...
4. Wear on matching pivot and tang surfaces is quite critical, I think. To make this work you'd need to use a very hard steel... hard steel is brittle... and then see previous point. 
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 24, 2018, 09:12:15 AM

GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.

I like that name for sure after it’s explanation!

+1 - and the logo. A tie, indeed!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: microbe on September 24, 2018, 12:15:47 PM
It does not look like a finished product at all. More of a prototype stage to test the interchangeable tools. The engineering may be solid, but the product design is sub par, and I seriously question how you are going to market a tool named Goat? Who on earth came up with that?
The concept is very good, but for now it is back to the drawing board for me.

You are correct, it is in the prototype stage. As we stated in the original post we are transitioning from 3D printed to metal prototypes to fine tune the fit, function, and test durability. :)

GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.

Ok, I was not aware it was an acronym. Now you have explained the meaning I made the connection with your post signature and your avatar of the gentleman goat wearing a tie.Thumbs up and wishing you good luck.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Syncop8r on September 24, 2018, 09:50:55 PM
GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Not for women then?  ;) :pok:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 11:08:02 PM
Thanks very much for the explanation, this makes it rather clear what you intend to do. I've given it some thought. Kudos for the simple design - however I feel I have to draw your attention to the following issues that I see with this mechanism:
1. The tools do not actively lock in the extended state, it seems. As I surmised, it is more like a sprung detent mechanism (the spring opening is forced over the implement's lock stud by the bias of the spring, but moving the tool into the closing position makes the spring lift off the stud). Have you considered the effect of wear on the interacting surfaces of the spring opening and the studs? (Apart from the spring possibly weakening over time?) Also, it seems that adverse forces on an extended implement might easily cause it to close on a user's hand (ouch!), at least (much) more so than e.g. LM's or Vic's or SOG's active locking systems.
2. Have you considered the fact that the mechanism makes it very difficult to apply a 90°-opened locked position, which would be handy for Phillips or flat blade drivers or the bit driver? Applying a force almost, but not quite, in line with the implement opened at 90° might cause it to slip off the pivot.

Edit:
3. A half tang is less than half as strong as a full one...
4. Wear on matching pivot and tang surfaces is quite critical, I think. To make this work you'd need to use a very hard steel... hard steel is brittle... and then see previous point.

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns! We greatly appreciate the insight we are gathering from people beyond ourselves in the MT world.

1. It seems my explanation and renderings are not properly representing the MT. The tools do lock (the cutouts in the tools fit into the 'spring' section of the handle once fully extended, it is not just spring tension holding them open), requiring the locking arm to be slightly depressed, the locking arm presses the spring down & out of the tool void, thus allowing the tool to be refolded. It is a very similar locking mechanism to Schrade ST1 MT. We will be able to provide real life examples once we get the prototypes back from machining.
2. We will be testing the use of the tools at 90 degrees, you are correct that it might retain less stability. We have gone through dozens of iterations on the pivot design to give it the most security when in use, and still maintain the ability to quickly swap tools. The current design has been our best balance.
3 & 4. We are making the prototypes in varying materials & heat treatments to find out what combination will provide the best possible quality and life of the tool.

Thank you all again for your input! I'm looking forward to sharing our progress with you all as we move closer to a final product!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on September 24, 2018, 11:12:04 PM
Not for women then?  ;) :pok:
Plot twist: It was a woman that came up with the name! :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 25, 2018, 01:47:40 PM
Thanks very much for the explanation, this makes it rather clear what you intend to do. I've given it some thought. Kudos for the simple design - however I feel I have to draw your attention to the following issues that I see with this mechanism:
1. The tools do not actively lock in the extended state, it seems. As I surmised, it is more like a sprung detent mechanism (the spring opening is forced over the implement's lock stud by the bias of the spring, but moving the tool into the closing position makes the spring lift off the stud). Have you considered the effect of wear on the interacting surfaces of the spring opening and the studs? (Apart from the spring possibly weakening over time?) Also, it seems that adverse forces on an extended implement might easily cause it to close on a user's hand (ouch!), at least (much) more so than e.g. LM's or Vic's or SOG's active locking systems.
2. Have you considered the fact that the mechanism makes it very difficult to apply a 90°-opened locked position, which would be handy for Phillips or flat blade drivers or the bit driver? Applying a force almost, but not quite, in line with the implement opened at 90° might cause it to slip off the pivot.

Edit:
3. A half tang is less than half as strong as a full one...
4. Wear on matching pivot and tang surfaces is quite critical, I think. To make this work you'd need to use a very hard steel... hard steel is brittle... and then see previous point.

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns! We greatly appreciate the insight we are gathering from people beyond ourselves in the MT world.

1. It seems my explanation and renderings are not properly representing the MT. The tools do lock (the cutouts in the tools fit into the 'spring' section of the handle once fully extended, it is not just spring tension holding them open), requiring the locking arm to be slightly depressed, the locking arm presses the spring down & out of the tool void, thus allowing the tool to be refolded. It is a very similar locking mechanism to Schrade ST1 MT. We will be able to provide real life examples once we get the prototypes back from machining.
2. We will be testing the use of the tools at 90 degrees, you are correct that it might retain less stability. We have gone through dozens of iterations on the pivot design to give it the most security when in use, and still maintain the ability to quickly swap tools. The current design has been our best balance.
3 & 4. We are making the prototypes in varying materials & heat treatments to find out what combination will provide the best possible quality and life of the tool.

Thank you all again for your input! I'm looking forward to sharing our progress with you all as we move closer to a final product!

Thanks - I've taken another look at the video (now on a 27" monitor rather than my phone :D) and can now see how the unlock lever is supposed to work (although the video does not show that the spring is lifted off the implement's studs), and in addition I somehow had the idea that you weren't turning the pivot for the tool release action but simply counteracting spring retention. But of course you are turning the pivot. Neat feature, that. (I actually thought of including that as a mod to improve my faulty picture of how your tool worked, if that makes sense, but I'd have had an outside pivot turning clip thing - your solution as combination unlocking and release arm/lever is nicer).

I'd suggest that the next iteration of your promo video should be a little clearer as to the twin unlock and release functions of the lever (the latter also clarifying the turning of the pivot). You may want to give the lever (and pivot (?)) a contrasting colour, at least in the video (and, who knows, also IRL(?)).

That means I was wrong on item 1 and in part on item 2 - please disregard. Good luck with the development, and please keep us informed!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Aloha on September 25, 2018, 03:07:42 PM
GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Not for women then?  ;) :pok:

Nor despicable men  :facepalm:

I like the acronym.  I generally think GOAT = Greatest of All Time.  Gear of Advanced Thinkers? 
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Syncop8r on September 25, 2018, 10:56:30 PM
GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Not for women then?  ;) :pok:

Nor despicable men  :facepalm:
I have been discriminated against yet again.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Vidar on September 25, 2018, 11:20:18 PM
GOAT = Gentlemen Of All Trades. Because our MT was designed from the start to be modular, we are looking forward to customers of varying professions, backgrounds, and lifestyles customizing it up as it suits them.
Not for women then?  ;) :pok:

Nor despicable men  :facepalm:


I have been discriminated against yet again.  :facepalm:

Could be worse - you could have been a despicable woman...  :D
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Syncop8r on September 25, 2018, 11:32:48 PM
 :rofl: True!

 :b2t:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Aloha on September 26, 2018, 12:14:20 AM
 :rofl:

Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on September 26, 2018, 08:36:49 AM
I like the name too. Apart from the acronym, goats are renowned for their ability to live in rough terrain.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: microbe on September 27, 2018, 09:52:03 PM
Isn't Gentlepersons the politically correct and gender inclusive version of Gentlemen?  :pok:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Syncop8r on September 27, 2018, 10:21:59 PM
What would be the politically correct and gender inclusive version of Ladies then?  :think:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: G-Dizzle on September 28, 2018, 12:38:23 AM
Oh no, lets please not be politically correct. :facepalm:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: holder228 on October 11, 2018, 03:26:32 AM
The pivots are interesting, but I have some inquiries. I'm making assumptions in my reasoning, so please correct me in places where I'm mistaken. The pivots are shown to rotate to allow the tools to be removed, correct? It looked like the pivot is attached to one of the outer tools to allow ease of access. Generally the outer tools are long ones that someone might use the most. Have you had any issues with the pivot catching on the tool cutouts when it rotates? What about tools slipping off the pivot unintentionally?
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: cody6268 on October 15, 2018, 10:53:30 PM
The basic design looks like it would be very heavy duty, and able to handle anything I would throw at it. The only criticism I have is a personal one--I hate replaceable cutters, as the milling out for them weakens the plier head.

I'm curious, what steel type will you use for the plier head? I would prefer a forged tool steel or D2.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Mike Dunn on January 23, 2019, 06:58:55 AM
Wow just discovered you guys. Is my search for the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) coming to an end?
It sounds like ya'll are open to suggestions for developing stuff, from what I've read. So thought I'd throw some thoughts out there:
1. Traditionally, I think the idea with multi-tools is that they all fit very pretty inside the rectangle, and that maybe be the most popular case, but a lot of guys that belt carry on the job really don't care if you have couple of bigger thumb loops sticking out. Spyderco is a perfect example of a company that basically lives off the fact that they offer big thumb loops that some people think are ugly.
2. On that same note, I can really see a good Plier style Multi-tool w/ an EMT style pair of shears that folds out. But of course when this goes in your nylon or kydex holster that thumb loop loop for the shears would bulge out.
3. I saw that you were making a rifleman's specific multi-tool. So I'm assuming those tools will be available for the customs. I hope a good gun-smith is consulted about these tools. Leatherman makes a multi-tool like this, and i really think that their disassembly punch should be should made of brass and then it could have doubled as a carbon scraper (with a design I see in my head) and had many other uses when working the gun, but again that would be good for brain storming with a gun smith, and I really can see how it too could have been used then for the carbon scraper and many other uses as well.
$.Thanks for making them so we can hammer on them!!!!!!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Mike Dunn on January 23, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
Wow just discovered you guys. Is my search for the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) coming to an end?
It sounds like ya'll are open to suggestions for developing stuff, from what I've read. So thought I'd throw some thoughts out there:
1. Traditionally, I think the idea with multi-tools is that they all fit very pretty inside the rectangle, and that maybe be the most popular case, but a lot of guys that belt carry on the job really don't care if you have couple of bigger thumb loops sticking out. Spyderco is a perfect example of a company that basically lives off the fact that they offer big thumb loops that some people think are ugly.
2. On that same note, I can really see a good Plier style Multi-tool w/ an EMT style pair of shears that folds out. But of course when this goes in your nylon or kydex holster that thumb loop loop for the shears would bulge out.
3. I saw that you were making a rifleman's specific multi-tool. So I'm assuming those tools will be available for the customs. I hope a good gun-smith is consulted about these tools. Leatherman makes a multi-tool like this, and i really think that their disassembly punch should be should made of brass and then it could have doubled as a carbon scraper (with a design I see in my head) and had many other uses when working the gun, but again that would be good for brain storming with a gun smith, and I really can see how it too could have been used then for the carbon scraper and many other uses as well.
$.Thanks for making them so we can hammer on them!!!!!!
Just saw that you guys are actually planning on having a body with heavy duty shears instead of pliers. THAT IS AWESOME!!! Perfect for people who need to do rescue.
I take back my other suggestion for shears... well it would be amazing, but I would be satisfied to just have shears as the body if a side tool is impossible.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Mike Dunn on January 23, 2019, 06:34:50 PM
wow, i just realized that you can just take your knife blade off temporarily and then your GOAT is TSA approved!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Mike Dunn on January 29, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Just in case ya'll are STILL looking for tools to be inspired by. Aside from what I've already seen I just thought I would make a list of all the coolest multi-tool tools I've ever seen for you. This may take more than one post as I may think of more later. In no particular order:
1. Shears.                                                         Victorinox Ranger Grip 71 Gardener
2. Large Thumb Loop Blade.                            SpyderCo. SpydeRench ... also...
                                                                         Victorinox Ranger Grip Boatsman. Also 57, 58, 61,78, 79, 178, 179, Hunter, Alpineer, Forester
3. Ratchet Set for Bit Kit                                   Victorinox SwissTool X/XC Plus Ratchet
4. Whistle & Ferrocerium Rod                          Leatherman Signal
5. Replaceable Fire Arm Disassembly punch  Leatherman Mut        (I'd prefer a brass punch)
6. Replaceable Bronze Carbon Scraper          Leatherman Mut
7. Carbide Glass Breaker Bit  (Unique bit)       Leatherman Skeletool RX
8. Cutting hook on main blade                         Leatherman Charge+
9. Pressurized Ballpoint Pen                           Victorinox Manager
Bonus: Leatherman Raptor. Not an additional tool in itself, but its ingenuity is inspirational for future multi-tool bodies and side shears
Sheath: I'd like my sheath to be clip on. My dad had a great Leather clip on sheath when I was a child for  his large Swiss army knife. It was great because if we were heading some where, he'd ask me to go grab his stuff, and I'd grab his wallet, keys, and knife, and he'd just clip it onto his waist band. No belt needed. If he had a belt, he'd clip it there. I can't find one like it. So much better then having to undo your belt and thread it through.

I'd love to hear uncommon great tools that others have seen in different multi-tools. And I think they would be great to post for GOAT, as they are the first company that I know that are actually trying to provide what the worker wants instead of just trying to sell us additional full sets to carry.  I'm sure what I look to use is different then what other people use. I left out many cool tools because I have already seen that GOAT intends on making this or it is already incorporated into their standard body.

P.S. I read that GOAT is trying to keep it under $100, but I am more than willing to pay double... triple that if they can put everything that I want in one tool, and keep out a bunch of junk I don't need.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 17, 2019, 02:13:30 AM
Interesting ideas with this tool. Looking forward to some updates!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SurgeUk on April 20, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
Sorry to bump... :whistle:


Any news  :dunno: 
Title: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Antti Lammi on April 20, 2020, 07:37:30 PM
Sorry to bump... :whistle:


Any news  :dunno:
Just looked GOAT Tools FB page and it seems they are progressing now. 3d printing first models, update was 6 weeks ago


Only Tools Matters
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on April 24, 2020, 10:22:42 PM
Sorry to bump... :whistle:


Any news  :dunno: 
My apologies for the lack of updates! I don't have a dedicated public relations/social media representative yet to keep track of these things haha.

Just got off the phone with our account manager at Xometry to get some new metal parts made. It costs about $1k per metal prototype, so fingers crossed this one will be the final! Spent the last couple of months 3D printing around the clock making millimeter changes trying to fine-tune the design to perfection.

Just in case ya'll are STILL looking for tools to be inspired by. Aside from what I've already seen I just thought I would make a list of all the coolest multi-tool tools I've ever seen for you.
Thank you for all the feed back and suggestions! I'm adding all of this to a spreadsheet for reference!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Aloha on April 24, 2020, 10:29:42 PM
Fingers crossed for you. 
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SurgeUk on March 11, 2021, 10:56:49 PM
Any news/update  :dunno:

I want one  :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Antti Lammi on March 18, 2021, 03:07:43 PM
Any news/update  :dunno:

I want one  :tu:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0hv28brdxYTB34qGwjo9QqYIVCcBR0UUzwehD69MtDhr20ziWzH6vHZZ0&v=bRBKRcrLk6M&feature=youtu.be


Only Tools Matters
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SurgeUk on April 09, 2021, 05:52:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0hv28brdxYTB34qGwjo9QqYIVCcBR0UUzwehD69MtDhr20ziWzH6vHZZ0&v=bRBKRcrLk6M&feature=youtu.be (https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0hv28brdxYTB34qGwjo9QqYIVCcBR0UUzwehD69MtDhr20ziWzH6vHZZ0&v=bRBKRcrLk6M&feature=youtu.be)


Only Tools Matters
Funding met  :2tu: Just a waiting game now  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 09, 2021, 10:42:42 PM
 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on April 22, 2021, 06:31:10 PM
300% reached...
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Jothra on April 26, 2021, 04:39:13 AM
500% today.
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: GOAT Tools on January 26, 2022, 10:10:06 PM
UPDATE:

Testing the pre-production models (scissors first)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5v9-pmdxII&lc=Ugw1NJ6RHCBkfmwWWL54AaABAg
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Syncop8r on January 26, 2022, 11:16:56 PM
 :tu:  Beefy
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: MarekBanach on August 28, 2022, 07:44:48 PM
So, why any new updates from GOAT here since JAN?? Estimates shipping postponed to October 2022, what is going on really? Does this project have any real chance of entering the production phase or not?
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Aloha on August 29, 2022, 05:47:04 PM
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,87061.msg2345758.html#msg2345758

I am not sure if this link provides any answers?  I sure seems they are woking hard at getting them done and shipped.  I don't know what it takes from thought to finalized product but it seems reasonable that within the time they hit kick starter to his last post a heck of a lot of progress has been made. 

Have you contacted them direct? 
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: MarekBanach on August 30, 2022, 06:43:54 AM
no, I have not contacted them
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SurgeUk on June 25, 2023, 04:38:16 PM
The latest update I have (July it is then, probably  :dunno: :whistle:)

"Good day makers, creators, and DIYers!

First thing first, my optimism has gotten the better of me yet again. Sea freight is taking longer than estimated. May 15th was completion day for the production run, 2-4 weeks was the estimate for freight, which was supposed to give us 2-4 weeks to ship everything out within June. Sea freight is now 6+ weeks, landing estimate July 6th, then processed through customs, to the warehouse, and shipped to all of you. So unfortunately, there is nothing else to add beyond where we were last month. You will all get an email with tracking info when your order ships. I can’t provide individual order statuses, but I will continue to provide updates on the grand plan!

Planning out future projects and community ideas: What kind of competition/raffle/sweepstakes would you guys like to see us do? Tool photography? Best projects? Best DIY instructions? All based around your new tools, of course. We are brainstorming the best ways to share the creativity that exists within all the fascinating members of the Maker Community.



We recommend taking a look at our Introduction to Your Multi-tool video to YouTube.


FAQ about shipping:
When will I get mine?
July for Kickstarter and early Indiegogo pre-orders. August/Sept for later Indiegogo orders.

What order are they being shipped?
They are being shipping in backer order (Kickstarter, then Indiegogo)

I moved, how can I update my address?
If you need to update your address please go to Backerkit
 https://goat-tools.backerkit.com/
If your address is already locked. Just send us a message or email
Indiegogo: If you need to update your address please follow these instructions to change your address

Where in line am I for shipping?
I get a lot of messages asking me when theirs will ship. But with so many variables it’s impossible to give individual answers. You will receive a notification when your order ships.

The templates are now live on our website! in .STEP .STL .PDF and .DXF

https://goat-tools.myshopify.com/collections/downloads/products/goat-tools-templates

(You will notice the rest of our products are “sold out”. We are still taking pre-orders on IndieGoGo until we transition to our own storefront)

If you haven't seen the testing videos on our YouTube channel, it's a great preview of what you will all be receiving!

GOAT Tools pre-production testing videos
Instagram
Facebook
Twitter

Your support and patience are infinitely appreciated! We will continue to provide updates as we venture through this process together.

Respectfully,
Michael O'Donnell
GOAT Tools"
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on July 19, 2023, 05:43:50 PM
Just got my shipping notice, yay :mail:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SteveC on July 20, 2023, 02:15:47 AM
 :popcorn: :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Adam5 on July 20, 2023, 03:25:47 AM
Should have mine next week  :tu:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: SurgeUk on July 20, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
Got my shipping notice yesterday (19th) The current ETA is the 11th August (TBC)  :ahhh
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: DIAMOND on August 31, 2023, 05:35:20 PM
Anyone receive your GOAT yet? Post pictures!  :popcorn:
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 05, 2023, 09:48:37 PM
From the last post I saw, they're sold out for new customers.  I forgot about them until I saw an ad on Instagram.  I'm so curious about how they are!
Title: Re: GOAT Tools Modular Multi-tool
Post by: Barry Rowland on October 05, 2023, 09:50:06 PM
 :iagree:
I really like the design!

Some thoughts, feel free to ignore them.  :D

- I like the long blades on the scissors, but will the short handle provide enough leverage to use them effectively?
- I also like the X-Acto blade holder, but I am wondering if the replaceable blade and main blade position should be swapped so that the replaceable blade gets dulled faster than the main blade?
- Speaking of the X-Acto holder, should it be shorter to bring the blade closer to the handle for better control over the blade?
- I love the add-on feature for keys, USB drives etc. 
- Will the blades and other functions be user replaceable like the old SOG models were?
- It seems to be sized similar to the old Victorinox Autotool, which failed miserably largely due to the excessive size.  Does that seem like it will be a significant problem for this one?
- What carry method?  Will it come with a sheath?  I assume a pocket clip is out of the question.
- Can you also consider a blunt nosed plier version?  Needle nose type pliers don't benefit much from large, bulky handles.

It looks like an amazing tool, and I am looking forward to seeing it in person when it gets produced.  Please put me down for one of the very first ones produced!

Def