Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 02, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
I ordered this a month or so ago, and to be honest, I kind of forgot about it, as I do with many of my online purchases. It's sort of the fun of being so scatterbrained- I am always surprised when something shows up!
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_135656.jpg?m=1509649853)
Anyways, I obviously felt that the BO version was cooler and that's what I decided to get, and it's fitting that I got it in black, because this particular Tread has a dark secret. But, more on that later. I tried it on and immediately realized that I needed to lose a couple of links, as I expected since I have pretty thin wrists.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_135846.jpg?m=1509649850)
In the end I decided to get rid of Links 4 and 9. I chose these because the cutter and scribe seemed largely useless to me, and 9 and 10 seemed to duplicate uselessness for me. I'm not sure the hex doodads are going to be of much use, and the wrenches seem pretty hit or miss- if I have a 10mm wrench I'm going to find 9mm bolts and vice versa. :facepalm:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_141941.jpg?m=1509649936)
Of course this leaves me with a lot of small, leftover pieces, so to reduce the chances of losing any of them I bolted them all back together.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_142105.jpg?m=1509649931]/img]
Even with those links removed, my Tread weighs in at around 120 grams, which is about 20% heavier than my Seiko Orange Monster.
[img]http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Miscellaneous/Watches/20151008_184323_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1444343143)
It seems like an interesting tool, but I am not sure this is something that is actually going to get used for much, if anything, but I am going to wear it to see what happens. If I am wrong, and it gets a lot of use and comes in handy, I will eat my words. I've done it before and I'll do it again.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140326.jpg?m=1509649883)
So what is the deep, dark secret? This is not a Leatherman Tread. It is a fake, sold for around $50 by one of the big Chinese online retail shops. :facepalm:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_135949.jpg?m=1509649883)
Now don't go telling me that I suck, this forum sucks and I shouldn't be condoning people buying knockoffs and I shouldn't be buying knockoffs yadda yadda yadda. I've heard it all before, and while I am not usually supportive of buying knockoffs, I am supportive of finding out if the knockoffs are any good or not. And, when it comes to protecting someone else's intellectual property I am supportive, but I am also interested in what works and what doesn't. I was also hoping to find the details that make this fake obvious, so that others don't fall for it either. This is, above all an informational site, and not supported financially in the least by Leatherman, so if they have a problem with me buying this, tough noogies for them.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140356.jpg?m=1509649899)
The scary thing is how well this one is made and put together. None of the screws I took out were problematic to remove or put back in, none of the markings are off or cheaply done. Even with my experience in picking out fakes, and without a real Tread to compare this one to, I can't actually see any telltale signs that this one isn't real, and I am hoping that some Tread owners will provide some photos of the same bits for comparison.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140348.jpg?m=1509649920)
I have handled the Tread (the real one) and I do not recall it feeling any different than this one does.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140340.jpg?m=1509649921)
The only imperfection I have found in this one is a slight discoloration inside the cutouts on the sides of a couple of links.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140102.jpg?m=1509649886)
And, with the real Tread running at 4-5 times what this one cost, I have to wonder why anyone would go with the original over this one, but time will tell whether it will hold up like the real one or not.
So far, without any mileage on it, I have to say that I am more impressed with this $50 knockoff than I think I would be with the $200+ original version. But, we will see how it holds up as it gets subjected to my daily use and abuse.
Def
Post by: styx on November 02, 2017, 08:53:33 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 02, 2017, 09:01:39 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 02, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
Dealer cost on the Tread is significantly higher than what I paid for this one, so between cost and where I got it from I have to believe that it wasn't painstakingly crafted in Oregon.
The thing is, with the box, the instructions etc..... everything appears so authentic that some unscrupulous person could buy these by the case and unload them for $175 or so on eBay and people would think it was real. I just wish I was unscrupulous like that, but us nice guys finish last....
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on November 02, 2017, 09:45:39 PM
So if this one does that too, it'll appear even more genuine :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on November 02, 2017, 11:48:02 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 03, 2017, 12:37:40 AM
I've red reports here of people experiencing rust and corrosion on their Tread after just a few months.I sorta do the same thing with Vics. But instead of rust, I wait for something to bust on them. Usually the scissor springs, can opener tip pr plier jaws. :rofl:
So if this one does that too, it'll appear even more genuine :rofl:
Joking aside, you could have fooled me. I thought it was real. But then I never have handled a tread before.
Post by: David Bowen on November 03, 2017, 12:57:05 AM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 03, 2017, 01:47:20 AM
I fear that a higher percentage of this product is being fabricated overseas than the Brand would have us believe
While I have no original with which to compare, the likelihood that this Chinese connection is actually an OEM manufacturer who is allowing product out the back door seems suspiciously high to me. That explains the quality, detail, and ability to sell for less than wholesale.
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:05:20 AM
What you have here, is a counterfeit.
Totally different animal. It should be traced back, in my opinion. If we think about it and work this backwards, this is likely a partner of Leatherman who is breaking a contract. Additionally, had any of us purchased this at the normal price and under the auspices of this being genuine, it seems we may not have known any better and could have been taken for a ride
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 03, 2017, 02:15:25 AM
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Post by: David Bowen on November 03, 2017, 04:04:35 AM
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Post by: Etherealicer on November 03, 2017, 08:40:15 AM
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140326.jpg?m=1509649883)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_135949.jpg?m=1509649883)
Maybe I'm just not familiar with LM Quality, but I immediately thought FAKE!
I mean looking at the cap lifter, on the back side it is un-even and the R2 stamp on the left is really badly done. On the front where the writing is, it looks very rough and above the E from Square it looks like its damaged. The linking bridges too look not as smooth as I would want them to be.
Post by: Etherealicer on November 03, 2017, 08:43:53 AM
A knockoff is a rough and similar but different, immitation of something. Like your cheap and cheerful Chevy Avalanche non-PST. We know it isn't the real deal, and they don't pretend to be. But they offer a similar widget that does about the same thing for less money. Think Pop-Tarts vs grocery store brand fruit-filled toaster pastries.Yep, it is. I think this should be reported
What you have here, is a counterfeit.
Totally different animal. It should be traced back, in my opinion. If we think about it and work this backwards, this is likely a partner of Leatherman who is breaking a contract. Additionally, had any of us purchased this at the normal price and under the auspices of this being genuine, it seems we may not have known any better and could have been taken for a ride
Post by: Zed on November 03, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 11:59:39 AM
A knockoff is a rough and similar but different, immitation of something. Like your cheap and cheerful Chevy Avalanche non-PST. We know it isn't the real deal, and they don't pretend to be. But they offer a similar widget that does about the same thing for less money. Think Pop-Tarts vs grocery store brand fruit-filled toaster pastries.
What you have here, is a counterfeit.
Totally different animal. It should be traced back, in my opinion. If we think about it and work this backwards, this is likely a partner of Leatherman who is breaking a contract. Additionally, had any of us purchased this at the normal price and under the auspices of this being genuine, it seems we may not have known any better and could have been taken for a ride
I absolutely will report it to Leatherman, however there's not much they can do about these kinds of things. The thing you have to remember is that US Patents don't apply in China, and any attempts to sue will be costly and result in absolutely nothing happening.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 12:01:17 PM
In your sixth photo, see the area around the wording "1/4 square" , how the material is crazed, or scarred. This may have been a QC reject for cosmetic reasons, and they sent it out the back.
And there's a glob of black paint on the bottle opener in the picture above it. I have gotten Leatherman models with worse QC than that.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 12:02:37 PM
Checking my Tread tonight I see there are differences although slight the may be. Most of its manufacturing marks, things not being as crisp or finished to the the level it's supposed to be. It's a good copy for sure; the Tread is made from 17-6 stainless and we don't know what this one is made from. I wonder what the weight on yours is with all the links versus a legit copy. One way they tell folks to know if yours is the real deal or a copy is the one from Leatherman has one ball bearing for retention but the fake one has 2 of them.
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So the fake is better? I would think two retention balls would be more secure than one. :D
I'll happily weigh this thing with all of the links if you will do the same and we can compare.
Def
Post by: Kev D on November 03, 2017, 12:12:52 PM
Post by: David Bowen on November 03, 2017, 12:55:16 PM
Sounds like a plan!Checking my Tread tonight I see there are differences although slight the may be. Most of its manufacturing marks, things not being as crisp or finished to the the level it's supposed to be. It's a good copy for sure; the Tread is made from 17-6 stainless and we don't know what this one is made from. I wonder what the weight on yours is with all the links versus a legit copy. One way they tell folks to know if yours is the real deal or a copy is the one from Leatherman has one ball bearing for retention but the fake one has 2 of them.
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So the fake is better? I would think two retention balls would be more secure than one. :D
I'll happily weigh this thing with all of the links if you will do the same and we can compare.
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 01:30:49 PM
Def
Post by: ThePeacent on November 03, 2017, 01:54:34 PM
a few days ago, we almost burn Butch for being an heretic and buying a fake Chinese made SAK, but now we congratulate Grant for letting us know how dangerously close the clones are getting to the real thing and thank him for providing us with the key features and differences to spot a clone Tread
curios how the views on the knockoff subject change :rofl:
PS: I forgot, that now the (in)famous SPAMCORP that starts by Gear... is selling these in non.BO (stainless) for $29.90 in a limited deal, you need a code though (which I won't post here unless it is agreed that it is fair for the community's interest, and harms nobody here)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 03:24:18 PM
Oh, and I have found one thing that I don't like about this unit, which would be the same with a real Tread- I have to take it off to work at my computer, otherwise it will gouge the living crap out of my laptop. :facepalm:
This is more than just a personal pet peeve- if you have to take it off when you type, you may not remember to put it back on again when you get up... which means regardless of how useful the tool may or may not be, you aren't likely to have it when you need it, and that is a catastrophic fail for a tool IMHO.
Def
Post by: Kev D on November 03, 2017, 04:06:35 PM
I don't think I would post the code openly, but I am sure everyone here knows how to send you a PM if they are interested.
Oh, and I have found one thing that I don't like about this unit, which would be the same with a real Tread- I have to take it off to work at my computer, otherwise it will gouge the living crap out of my laptop. :facepalm:
This is more than just a personal pet peeve- if you have to take it off when you type, you may not remember to put it back on again when you get up... which means regardless of how useful the tool may or may not be, you aren't likely to have it when you need it, and that is a catastrophic fail for a tool IMHO.
Def
Put the extra links back in and wear it as an anklet .
Though with how much metal you have holing your feet on nowadays you may jangle a bit if you do
:D
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 05:05:57 PM
Sorry about the crappy pictures. I really am the worst photographer. :facepalm:
Post by: Zed on November 03, 2017, 05:12:07 PM
Maybe I got a fake :think:
Sorry about the crappy pictures. I really am the worst photographer. :facepalm:
Looks real to me Aloha :salute:
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: sawman on November 03, 2017, 05:55:28 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 03, 2017, 06:16:47 PM
Scary how real this one looks. Usually the fakes have an obvious sign of them being fake, but I guess I'm going by comparison of real and fake. I'd believe that one was real.
I guess performance could indicate flaws? :think:
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
TREAD™
Anytime, anywhere. The functionality of a Leatherman tool, with you everywhere. Our engineers designed multiple tools in each 17-4 stainless steel bracelet link, making usable tools like Allen wrenches, screwdrivers and box wrenches available at a moment’s notice. Adjustable to accommodate any wrist size and fully customizable with the links you need most, the Leatherman Tread is as stylish as it is functional.
SPECIFICATIONS
CIRCUMFERENCE 8.56 in | 21.74 cm
WEIGHT 5.9 oz | 168 g
BAND WIDTH 1.2 in | 3.05 cm
BRAND Leatherman
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 03, 2017, 06:46:35 PM
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 03, 2017, 06:58:42 PM
A knockoff is a rough and similar but different, immitation of something. Like your cheap and cheerful Chevy Avalanche non-PST. We know it isn't the real deal, and they don't pretend to be. But they offer a similar widget that does about the same thing for less money. Think Pop-Tarts vs grocery store brand fruit-filled toaster pastries.
What you have here, is a counterfeit.
Totally different animal. It should be traced back, in my opinion. If we think about it and work this backwards, this is likely a partner of Leatherman who is breaking a contract. Additionally, had any of us purchased this at the normal price and under the auspices of this being genuine, it seems we may not have known any better and could have been taken for a ride
I absolutely will report it to Leatherman, however there's not much they can do about these kinds of things. The thing you have to remember is that US Patents don't apply in China, and any attempts to sue will be costly and result in absolutely nothing happening.
Def
I apologize, Grant. I don't presume to be on a high horse or try to suggest what you should do with your own property. I never had a Tread in hand. Packaging looks good enough where if I bought it online I wouldn't know the difference...
Which brings us to an interesting place. In terms of LM not having legal recourse... I don't know if Treads or parts of them are made China, but I do know that if they are, and if this made it out the back door of an OEM, Leatherman will be able to penalize or cancel their contractor/ manufacturer for allowing this to ever be sold. That can be as bad as any court action
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
That is quite a good fake. I'd love to see some side by sides of the real thing vs a knockoff
I agree. I'm now wondering if this is a partner of LM overseas who released marred or a down right counterfeit item.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 10:23:44 PM
A knockoff is a rough and similar but different, immitation of something. Like your cheap and cheerful Chevy Avalanche non-PST. We know it isn't the real deal, and they don't pretend to be. But they offer a similar widget that does about the same thing for less money. Think Pop-Tarts vs grocery store brand fruit-filled toaster pastries.
What you have here, is a counterfeit.
Totally different animal. It should be traced back, in my opinion. If we think about it and work this backwards, this is likely a partner of Leatherman who is breaking a contract. Additionally, had any of us purchased this at the normal price and under the auspices of this being genuine, it seems we may not have known any better and could have been taken for a ride
I absolutely will report it to Leatherman, however there's not much they can do about these kinds of things. The thing you have to remember is that US Patents don't apply in China, and any attempts to sue will be costly and result in absolutely nothing happening.
Def
I apologize, Grant. I don't presume to be on a high horse or try to suggest what you should do with your own property. I never had a Tread in hand. Packaging looks good enough where if I bought it online I wouldn't know the difference...
Which brings us to an interesting place. In terms of LM not having legal recourse... I don't know if Treads or parts of them are made China, but I do know that if they are, and if this made it out the back door of an OEM, Leatherman will be able to penalize or cancel their contractor/ manufacturer for allowing this to ever be sold. That can be as bad as any court action
No apology necessary- I ever took any offense in the slightest. I totally agree with you BTW, just our loyalty here is to our membership, not to Leatherman. I will send them a link to this thread out of courtesy and goodwill, but we are not beholden to any manufacturer. None of them pay the bills here, but the members do, and so you are all my first priority.
If it turns out that this is as good as a real Tread, or at least close enough, then I would rather members buy these counterfeits and save their hard earned money to spend on friends, family and good times. If however, if turns out to be a piece of junk, well then I would also rather no one else wastes their money on it.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Direct from the Leatherman site.
TREAD™
Anytime, anywhere. The functionality of a Leatherman tool, with you everywhere. Our engineers designed multiple tools in each 17-4 stainless steel bracelet link, making usable tools like Allen wrenches, screwdrivers and box wrenches available at a moment’s notice. Adjustable to accommodate any wrist size and fully customizable with the links you need most, the Leatherman Tread is as stylish as it is functional.
SPECIFICATIONS
CIRCUMFERENCE 8.56 in | 21.74 cm
WEIGHT 5.9 oz | 168 g
BAND WIDTH 1.2 in | 3.05 cm
BRAND Leatherman
Mine weighs 173g. I don't think 5g is a significant difference between them, as it is very easy to have a scale out by more than that, and manufacturers' info is rarely 100% accurate. They don't weigh each piece, they weigh a prototype or pre-production version and never change the documentation even though there may be changes to the item itself.
With scales that are not legal for trade, a 2.9% difference is not significant, so I guess I will have to get a real Tread at some point and weigh them both on my scale to see if there's any difference.
Def
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 10:48:22 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 03, 2017, 10:49:58 PM
You are right. That weight difference can be many things. This Tread is interesting. I'm certainly staying tuned to see how this plays out.The correct term is:
:popcorn:
Post by: Aloha on November 03, 2017, 10:54:57 PM
it is.
Post by: David Bowen on November 04, 2017, 12:46:16 AM
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Post by: Blackbeard on November 04, 2017, 01:50:12 AM
Post by: David Bowen on November 04, 2017, 04:24:22 AM
I dont get the tread, is it jewelry or a last ditch tool? seems more like I am getting ready to be tossed in the back of a police car or a torture device or your arm got entangled with a bicycle or motorcycleIt's designed to be a multitool when no other options are allowed like theme parks. Sometimes I don't want to carry a full tool with pliers and it compliments knife quite well.
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Post by: ThePeacent on November 04, 2017, 01:57:05 PM
Direct from the Leatherman site.
TREAD™
Anytime, anywhere. The functionality of a Leatherman tool, with you everywhere. Our engineers designed multiple tools in each 17-4 stainless steel bracelet link, making usable tools like Allen wrenches, screwdrivers and box wrenches available at a moment’s notice. Adjustable to accommodate any wrist size and fully customizable with the links you need most, the Leatherman Tread is as stylish as it is functional.
SPECIFICATIONS
CIRCUMFERENCE 8.56 in | 21.74 cm
WEIGHT 5.9 oz | 168 g
BAND WIDTH 1.2 in | 3.05 cm
BRAND Leatherman
Mine weighs 173g. I don't think 5g is a significant difference between them, as it is very easy to have a scale out by more than that, and manufacturers' info is rarely 100% accurate. They don't weigh each piece, they weigh a prototype or pre-production version and never change the documentation even though there may be changes to the item itself.
With scales that are not legal for trade, a 2.9% difference is not significant, so I guess I will have to get a real Tread at some point and weigh them both on my scale to see if there's any difference.
Def
just on that issue, I completely agree.
I love weighing things (I've got 3 scales with 0.1g precision, 4 scales with 1g precision, and a very nice and expensive one with 0.01g precision and other cool feats.) and have witnessed the much common differences between the same models of knives, lights, SAKs or MTs as well as the difference between specs by the manufacturer and real weight.
For instance, Cold Steel folders can vary up to 12g between the same model, and up to 34g between the Cold Steel website's (or boxes) specs and the real thing.
In MTs I've found a 3 up to 11g difference acceptable and not that unusual
In SAKs by Wenger and Victorinox I've come to see differences of 4g between the same model, and 6g between the specifications they give and what the thing weighs.
So yes, a 5g difference in a >100g tool is absolutely acceptable and to be expected. :salute:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 04, 2017, 02:07:13 PM
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 05, 2017, 01:23:29 AM
And it's significant, and easy to check, I don't know why/how I missed it before! :ahhh
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%281%29.jpg?m=1509840157)
I have a spare #1 link, it was a gift from Leatherman prior to the launch party that I was unable to attend. It is the closest I have to a real Tread and I just dug it out this evening for comparison. I should be getting ready to go out of town tomorrow on business, but damnit, this is important!
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%282%29.jpg?m=1509840185)
Sorry for the terrible pics, but it is so obvious you should spot it right away.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%283%29.jpg?m=1509840186)
Yup, the barrel ends on the link for the screws to go into are absent on the fake Tread, meaning the screws take on the whole weight and pivot of the fake. If you look closely at the screws for the fake, you can see they are rounded under the head, where the links and bridge pieces would pivot, in hopes of reducing the amount of friction on the screw so that it doesn't turn and come out, causing your bracelet to possibly fall off.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140319.jpg?m=1509649900)
However, if you try to attach the real Tread link to the fake, the barrels actually fit inside the bridge pieces, but the screws don't go in- the threads work, but the flair on the mid section of the screws does not, meaning the screws will stick out if you try.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%287%29.jpg?m=1509840184)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%285%29.jpg?m=1509840185)
Other than the thread depth and the barrel ends the links are virtually identical.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%284%29.jpg?m=1509840183)
The main body of the link is actually the same size, it's the curvature of the body coupled with poor lighting and a complete lack of photography skills that makes it look like the fake is bigger.
Initially I was inspired by the similarities and apparent quality of the fake, and the old Johnny Cash song kept echoing through my head....
Quote
Well, I left Kentucky back in forty nine
An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
The first year they had me puttin' wheels on Cadillacs
Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.
One day I devised myself a plan
That should be the envy of most any man
I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.
I'd get it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.
So the very next day when I punched in
With my big lunchbox and with help from my friends
I left that day with a lunch box full of gears
I've never considered myself a thief
But GM wouldn't miss just one little piece
Especially if I strung it out over several years.
The first day I got me a fuel pump
And the next day I got me an engine and a trunk
Then I got me a transmission and all the chrome
The little things I could get in my big lunchbox
Like nuts, an' bolts, and all four shocks
But the big stuff we snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.
Now, up to now my plan went all right
'Til we tried to put it all together one night
And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.
The transmission was a fifty three
And the motor turned out to be a seventy three
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.
So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an adapter kit
We had that engine runnin' just like a song
Now the headlight' was another sight
We had two on the left and one on the right
But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.
The back end looked kinda funny too
But we put it together and when we got through
Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin
About that time my wife walked out
And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts
But she opened the door and said "Honey, take me for a spin."
So we drove up town just to get the tags
And I headed her right on down main drag
I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around
But up there at the court house they didn't laugh
'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff
And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.
I got it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.
Ugh! Yeah, RED RYDER
This is the COTTON MOUTH
In the PSYCHO-BILLY CADILLAC Come on
Huh, This is the COTTON MOUTH
And negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there RED RYDER
You might say I went right up to the factory
And picked it up, it's cheaper that way
Ugh!, what model is it?
Well, It's a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53, '54, '55, '56
'57, '58' 59' automobile
It's a '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '67
'68, '69, '70 automobile.
My thought was to replace fake links one at a time with the real Leatherman links, available for individual purchase, figuring that eventually I'd have a whole Tread.... except that I don't believe you can buy a Tread clasp. And the bridge pieces and screws may or may not come with the individual components and I can't use the screws I have. And at $25/each, it would cost me more in the long run to buy individual pieces than to buy the whole.... but the thought was there.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%286%29.jpg?m=1509840170)
Anyways, it is nice to see that there is an actual difference, and now that I have looked at it first hand I can see why the real Leatherman would be stronger to use- if one was to torque hard on a screw or nut with the fake, it could damage the tiny threads on the screws, since that's all that's holding them in. I can also see drilling and tapping those barrel ends being a huge PITA, so I can understand why the fake eliminated them, and why the Tread costs so much more.
Do I still think the Tread is worth 4-5x as much after this? I don't know, as I still have not used the thing for anything, and $200+ for a tool that doesn't get used seems a bit excessive. And, there's the observation I had above, where you take it off to use the computer or something and forget to put it back on, meaning you may not have it when you need it. Not having actually used this tool yet, I would say the Tread is probably worth at least 2-3x as much as this one, in construction and design if nothing else.
Def
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 05, 2017, 06:12:56 AM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 05, 2017, 09:24:54 AM
You'll never know if you don't buy at avLM retailer
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 05, 2017, 02:48:58 PM
If you are unsure, ask the seller for photos of the individual links- if they are legitimate, they won't mind snapping extra pics. Even so, I would ask for closeups to check for scratches or something, rather than explain the real reason why you want extra pictures. >:D
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on November 05, 2017, 02:51:44 PM
Writing replies 5min after waking up seems like a good guarantee for typos...
Post by: ReamerPunch on November 05, 2017, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 05, 2017, 03:34:11 PM
If you're paying fifty bucks, that's another sign. :tu:
Absolutely!
Def
Post by: Don Pablo on November 05, 2017, 03:52:33 PM
All we need is a through test of the strength of the fake tread vs the real tread. :whistle:If you're paying fifty bucks, that's another sign. :tu:
Absolutely!
Def
Post by: ThePeacent on November 05, 2017, 07:35:02 PM
I guess that this, coupled with a (probably) lower quality steel makes for the $ difference, adding to that the obvious "Plus" that you can concede yourself to add to the price if you're the one and only Leatherman, and the inventor of the original tool.
Nice Sherlock eyes! :salute:
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 05, 2017, 09:01:50 PM
With the stampings of lettering and measurements sizes being so close to the real production values, I have to wonder then, whether or not this manufacturer was asked to mock up a prototype at some point, which did not have the barrels, or if they bought one and used silly-putty to copy the stampings so accurately and skipped the barrels.
I second the motion for a double blind durability test. Although I disdain the Tread as gimmicky, it would be good to know, for those who do like it.
What Grant said to me makes sense. The forum is dedicated to all multi tools, not beholden to any one manufacturer, and a fair assessment should be made of this one.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 06, 2017, 12:59:18 AM
I am really curious now.... so i anyone has a Tread they don't need and would be willing to sell me, please feel free to PM me.
Def
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 04:48:06 AM
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 06:49:50 AM
https://youtu.be/zDDkCfwzhco
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 06:57:33 AM
See 3:06 of this video.
https://youtu.be/NnSiBYZUERw
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 07:05:09 AM
Does anyone have an early LM Tread? One they know is legit?
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 07:17:33 AM
https://youtu.be/e6J0nAdfmO0
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 06, 2017, 07:35:36 AM
Seems that this could be solved rather easily. While not beholden to any manufacturer, this site is all about Multi's. I'm sure that contact could be arranged with Leatherman - not a customer service rep, but a contact with the boss or an engineer who can give us the scoop on what constitutes a real Tread and any variations.
Their interests lie in confirming real ones, especially if we are doing a review of sorts. No? A review or test of an inferior fake, if we didn't know it was fake, would reflect poorly on Leatherman.
Honestly at this point, I'm surprised they don't send Grant one of each new tool when they come out, expressly for the purposes of reviews. They would expect it back, of course, but it would make the rounds for reviews...
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 06, 2017, 04:16:32 PM
https://www.leatherman.com/tread-metric-488.html?dwvar_488_color=10&cgid=tread#start=1
I think I am going to have to send the folks at Leatherman a few questions now.... >:D
Def
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 08:00:57 PM
:popcorn:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 06, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
Def
Post by: Aloha on November 06, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
It's very interesting indeed.
Post by: clown on November 08, 2017, 06:45:41 PM
:popcorn:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 08, 2017, 09:57:59 PM
https://www.2dehands.be/bijoux-horloges/bijoux/armband/leatherman-tread-380458292.html
Post by: ThePeacent on November 08, 2017, 10:33:18 PM
I have zero interest in owning a Tread but this thread is proving to be a great read.
:popcorn:
hahaha just what I thought: "why the hell am I following this thread with such interest if I have no Tread nor do I care for it? :think:"
MTO illness :facepalm:
Post by: magentus on November 08, 2017, 10:39:18 PM
Lol +1I have zero interest in owning a Tread but this thread is proving to be a great read.
:popcorn:
hahaha just what I thought: "why the hell am I following this thread with such interest if I have no Tread nor do I care for it? :think:"
MTO illness :facepalm:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2017, 02:55:14 PM
Except that there are times when I don't know it's there, and there are times that I sort of find the weight on my wrist reassuring for some reason. These are the good times.
I haven't actually used it for anything yet, but this fake is making me want a real Tread more and more, despite the fact that I have yet to find an actual use for this one. I can't find a use for it to even test whether it's worth anything or not, and yet I find myself absolutely wanting a real one, specifically one with the barrel ends because that has somehow become the uber collectible early version in my mind. :facepalm:
And I keep telling myself it is just for the sake of comparison, which is even worse because that means I also need to get a newer, non-barrel version as well, you know, just to be scientific and compare apples to apples..... you know, both real Tread models, the real and fake barrel-less models, all three together......
Someone above suggested I wear it as an ankle, but I am concerned that when I am done it will be a belt, or worse, a Chewbacca style bandolier of tiny wrenches and stubby screwdrivers.....
:facepalm:
Def
Post by: Aloha on November 09, 2017, 03:07:20 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 09, 2017, 03:25:04 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on November 09, 2017, 06:17:37 PM
that's a lot of boxes to tick... :ahhh
Post by: 16VGTIDave on November 15, 2017, 04:01:58 PM
I wear the Tread daily, though I do remove it when performing physical tasks or mechanical work. It is bulky, heavy, and sometimes a bother. It has also come in handy a couple times and saved me a long walk / having my motorcycle towed. It wasn't the right tool for the job, but it was the tool I had that could do the job. My SwissChamp, Spirit X, and motorcycle tool kit didn't have the hex key I needed. But the Tread did.
I also hate flying without any tools (I'm a retired Aircraft Technician) and the Tread provides me a couple screwdrivers so that I can, for example, adjust the latch on a stubborn overhead compartment and thereby make friends with the Flight Attendants. :whistle: I also like the idea of having a cutter available, though I hope to never need it as a belt cutter...
Post by: Aloha on November 16, 2017, 07:33:30 AM
Post by: Chako on November 16, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
Here is what I can contribute to this discussion....
I have 2 Treads that are original. Both do not have those shoulders as seen in Def's link from Leatherman, or that second video posted above.
Come to think on it, I was certain I wouldn't even have the one. Funny how that worked out. :think:
Here are the photos.
I bought one from the local Leatherman Dealer in town for quite a pretty penny I may add. I can fully understand Def's viewpoint on the mater as I bought one just to see what it was all about, but felt cheated at the same time as I did pay $200+ for it at the retail store. The other I found at the local pawn shop for pretty much what Def paid for his knock off. That one didn't come with a box lid, but for that price, I didn't care. I didn't feel so much robbed buying that second one.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4444small_zpsirohaimh.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4444small_zpsirohaimh.jpg.html)
Both have the same inside instruction pamphlet. Note that the pamphlets show the links without shoulders.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4457small_zpsdauvy0xc.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4457small_zpsdauvy0xc.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4445small_zpsqeiuvfhz.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4445small_zpsqeiuvfhz.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4446small_zps7y899j8i.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4446small_zps7y899j8i.jpg.html)
Here is a closeup of the underside product tag. The location of this is a bit odd as you can tell, wear and tear of this label is evident on both of my samples.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4447small_zpsiuvjho6b.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4447small_zpsiuvjho6b.jpg.html)
Both boxes feature a nice black foam interior with a pull out oval with the tool wrapped around it.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4448small_zps2851whgl.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4448small_zps2851whgl.jpg.html)
Some photos of the tread.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4449small_zps76cdl5yd.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4449small_zps76cdl5yd.jpg.html)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4451small_zpszrqijk3e.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4451small_zpszrqijk3e.jpg.html)
Here is the claps with the single ball bearing retention mechanism and details of the hinge.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4452small_zpss1ispffo.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4452small_zpss1ispffo.jpg.html)
I was curious to see if I had shoulders much like that of Def's link from Leatherman. It wasn't the case for both of my samples. Here is detail of the screw used with one link flipped over to show the lack of a collar.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4453small_zpsjbfovqsk.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4453small_zpsjbfovqsk.jpg.html)
Here is the Tread flipped over on its side to take a closer look at the link.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4454small_zpsaa5kt3th.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4454small_zpsaa5kt3th.jpg.html)
And finally, some detail of the inner markings on a few of the links. The smaller central link features the Leatherman name on the backside.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4456small_zpsnrdrxjes.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4456small_zpsnrdrxjes.jpg.html)
Hope that helps. :salute:
Post by: lister on November 16, 2017, 01:16:07 PM
Besides I doubt I would actually wear it. I like my EDC to not be evident to other people. Though it might work as a watch band, if it could be used as one without special adapters. Maybe a fake one with vostok amphibia watch for that alter-cool look? :D
Post by: Chako on November 16, 2017, 01:28:13 PM
First Tread.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4459small_zps4qw3sa06.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4459small_zps4qw3sa06.jpg.html)
Second Tread.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4460small_zpsgwpb10w8.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4460small_zpsgwpb10w8.jpg.html)
And a Core because it was easily at hand.
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo005/IMG_4461small_zpshyizmjiu.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/Chako_photo005/IMG_4461small_zpshyizmjiu.jpg.html)
There are several plausible explanations.
1. I may have a pair of fakes on my hands as mine looks awfully similar to Def's. If this is the case, I won't be all that happy with the retail store that sold me the first one. I have a hard time thinking this is the case because manufacturing is top notch and finish is equally so. You don't see this from folks trying to make maximum bucks in knocking off a product. But who knows in the end?
2. Possible that Leatherman made changes from the first production run to the next. This would mean that both of mine are originals to the manufacturer. This wouldn't be the first time that something like this has happened with Leatherman. Maybe they found that the newer system provides the same benefits with possibly some savings in manufacture. I have no clue to be honest. I wasn't even aware there were links with shoulders out there.
If number 2 is the case, I won't see the need to try and hunt down one of the original production run Treads.
Post by: Aloha on November 16, 2017, 04:04:50 PM
Post by: Chako on November 17, 2017, 02:45:15 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 19, 2017, 11:23:50 PM
I absolutely still want one, and preferably an early one with collars, barrels, bumps, whatever we want to call them, even though I am seriously doubting the actual usefulness of it.
Def
Post by: Syncop8r on November 19, 2017, 11:35:36 PM
Post by: RF52 on November 19, 2017, 11:39:50 PM
Sent fra min PLK-L01 via Tapatalk
Post by: David Bowen on November 20, 2017, 01:17:32 AM
I still have not actually used this monstrosity for anything. :facepalm:
I absolutely still want one, and preferably an early one with collars, barrels, bumps, whatever we want to call them, even though I am seriously doubting the actual usefulness of it.
Def
It's not bad when you have no other drivers on you but it falls short compared to everything else out there. I'm carrying the new LT a lot and so far not much action, lots of people tell me it's cool. :-[
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 24, 2017, 05:07:06 PM
I finally had an opportunity to use the (fake) Tread today. One of my tail lights blew with the cold weather we have had recently and I decided today was the day to replace it. All I needed was a screwdriver, right?
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/15115385548470.jpg?m=1511538732)
The screws are not what I would call recessed, but they apparently are slightly, but enough that the (fake)Tread just barely reached them. I would consider them more countersunk than recessed, but either way the Tread just barely reached them. I don't believe the real Tread's drivers have any more reach than this one's, so I don't think we can blame this on the quality of the fake.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/15115385549811.jpg?m=1511538732)
Further I found there to be such little leverage on the screwdriver that it was awkward to turn. I suppose it could be done, but it wouldn't be my first choice. By far. In fact, the Tread did such a wonderful job that this is the way I ended up doing it. :facepalm:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/15115385550162.jpg?m=1511538732)
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 04, 2018, 01:29:59 AM
The thing is, I really haven't found a use for the fake Tread yet, and I am not sure I am going to find much of a use for the real one either. My problems with the fake aren't anything to do with build quality or anything else that you would associate with fakes vs real, it's that in the past few months I really haven't found anything to use the fake on that would give me an accurate gauge of its abilities, and I feel like the real one isn't going to be any better- and worse, not 4-5 times better, which is about how much I sunk into it. :facepalm:
Chances are the real Tread will end up in The Multitool.org Store (https://store.multitool.org/) after testing and comparison to the fake, unless of course it meets at least one of the following criteria:
1- It is somehow superior enough to the fake that it earns it's way into my collection.
2- It is an older version with the barrels (as seen above, and in the below photo- basically if it looks like the silver one and not the black one)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/Comparison/Comparison%20%283%29.jpg?m=1509840186)
That having been said, I am looking forward to the comparison, as this is an informational site first and foremost, and identifying the differences so that people can spot the fakes is of primary importance. I really wouldn't want members (or anyone else) to inadvertently buy a fake, especially not at real prices. :ahhh
Def
Post by: Poncho65 on March 04, 2018, 01:43:26 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 06, 2018, 03:24:57 AM
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on March 06, 2018, 11:17:49 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 06, 2018, 12:17:46 PM
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on March 06, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
I'd be lying if I said the idea hadn't crossed my mind, but then my integrity is worth more than That, even though I would have clearly labelled them as fakes.And think of the MTO store's reputation! :pok:
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 06, 2018, 12:24:52 PM
Folks know where to get the cheap knockoffs if they want them- they don't need to spend the extra $$ that I'd have to charge to resell them and/maintain an inventory.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
In fact, just to ensure they don't get mixed up, I have had to do the reverse link mod on the fake! :ahhh
Pictures etc soon....
Def
Post by: magentus on March 08, 2018, 01:57:27 PM
Post by: SteveC on March 08, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
The real Tread arrived last night and I have been looking over the two of them since (with a short break to sleep!) and I really am astounded. This is going to be a hell of a comparison, and one really has to look deep to find the differences. The packaging is almost identical, and the differences in the product are very subtle!
In fact, just to ensure they don't get mixed up, I have had to do the reverse link mod on the fake! :ahhh
Pictures etc soon....
Def
Are you sure you haven't mixed them up already :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 04:44:25 PM
The real Tread arrived last night and I have been looking over the two of them since (with a short break to sleep!) and I really am astounded. This is going to be a hell of a comparison, and one really has to look deep to find the differences. The packaging is almost identical, and the differences in the product are very subtle!
In fact, just to ensure they don't get mixed up, I have had to do the reverse link mod on the fake! :ahhh
Pictures etc soon....
Def
Are you sure you haven't mixed them up already :D
You joke about that, but it is harder than you'd think to keep them straight. But, I found a few telltale signs, although some of them will surprise you....
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
Months ago I bought a fake Leatherman Tread in black for $50. Now I have a legitimate Leatherman Tread, also in black, and while I aid considerably less than the $312.00 price tag on it, you can rest assured that it was still several times as much as the fake. But, it's worth it for the real thing, right? After all, the Leatherman brand is built in the USA and quality is the defining factor, while the knockoff is.... well, it's a cheap hunk of China made crap, right? Let's find out.
First off, let me once again point out that while it has been a very successful model for Leatherman, I am not a big an of the Tread. I want good, solid, real tools from Leatherman and this seems like an overpriced gadget, designed to generate hype in a brand that has lately not given us much in the way of cool new, solid, real tools to rave about. That having been said, if I was really that disinterested, I would not have bought either a fake or a real one, so that proves that there is something pervasive about it. Or, I'm a junkie.
The first thing you notice is the box- it will take a very close observation to spot what is wrong here.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2831%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
The real Tread is on the left and the fake is on the right. Notice that the colors on the fake are brighter and that the image is slightly larger. These are not differences you are likely to notice without having the real one to compare to, but you can also see that the image and logo are slightly off center on the fake box, and perfectly centered on the real one. I will admit that I didn't notice the offset logo on the fake until both boxes were side by side and Megan pointed it out.
The end panels of the boxes are virtually identical as well, with the real box having slightly smaller Leatherman brandings than the fake, although again this is not something one would notice without having both for comparison.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2830%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
Flipping the boxes over we see that the real box (again on the left) is virtually identical to the fake one. In this case there has been a bar code and price tag added to the real one, but I am not sure at what point they were added, and so I wouldn't count on that as an identifier. Both have trademark info, although it does slightly differ- however one is marked 2015 and one 2016, and as any collector knows, the wording and placement of these types of marks often change from year to year on legitimate products, and so should not be considered an identifier either.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2829%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
Opening the box we see the presentation is virtually identical. To make it easier to identify the fake, I have added some green paint to the logos and reversed the connecting links everywhere except where the ones between the strap cutter and the clasp, because the links impact the cutter ends when inverted. Everywhere else they seem to be fin when inverted.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2828%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
Pulling the Treads out of the box gives us another clue as to which one is real and which one is fake. The real Tread fits perfectly onto the elongated foam oval while the fake sort of sits loosely on it's shorter, fatter one. The real one seems more like it was designed to fit (which it was) while the fake appears to have been a setup for another product (possibly a fake watch or different bracelet) that was used out of convenience. The foam in the real Tread box is also much more dense than the cheaper foam found in the fake. If you can gain access to the inside of the packaging, this should be one of the first telltale signs of whether the Tread you are buying is real or not.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2827%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
Getting rid f the packaging, the two Treads look and feel remarkably similar. They move the same and the finish is almost identical. At first glance they are almost impossible to tell apart. If you are one of those people that can look at the above photo and claim to instantly know the difference without the cues I have offered (links and paint) then I suggest you chalk that up to my poor photography skills. I have been spotting fakes and working with companies to identify them for about twenty years now, and I see no appreciably difference in finishes or feel.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2825%29.jpg?m=1520524108)
Ordinarily the various bits aren't as well formed or the assembly is substandard, but in this case there is very little to distinguish the fake rom the real thing. The cutouts and screwdriver ends are just as precise as the real McCoy.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%282%29.JPG?m=1520524094)
I mentioned above the discoloration on the sides of some of the links, and if you look at the above pic you see the Leatherman also suffers from the same issue, only not as pronounced. I am assuming both use a similar process to blacken, however Leatherman either uses a slightly better version of the process, or merely has a more skilled person doing it. I'm not sure this would be an indicator on a natural stainless finish, butt it certainly is obvious on the black version.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2823%29.jpg?m=1520524108)
It is also possible that the fake uses a lower grade of steel, which may be evidenced by a lower density, so I put both on the scale to see how they stacked up. As you can see, there is a slight variance in weight- 1 gram to be exact.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2824%29.jpg?m=1520524108)
I wouldn't count that as an indicator either- for those not familiar with the metric system, 1 gram is a drop of water. It is a negligible amount and my scale could easily vary by a gram from one item to another... and in fact the difference may be even smaller, as my scale won't do portions of a gram, meaning one may have been 173.6g and the other 173.4g, and both were rounded off. It is such a small variance that I'm sure any two legitimate Treads fresh off the assembly line would vary by this much or more.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2811%29.JPG?m=1520524104)
Getting into the nuts and bolts of it (literally) we can see another noticeable difference- the screws for the real Tread are only black on the head and neck, while the threads are left uncoated while the fake one is black all the way down. I would imagine that Leatherman doesn't coat the threads because of concerns of shed paint gumming them up. But, the process of only coating half of a screw that is about a quarter of an inch long takes some effort, which is probably why that's one of the corners that the knockoff manufacturer cut. You can see that the real Tread's screw is also slightly more robust, and it will not fit in the hole on the fake, while the fake screws can turn awkwardly into the holes in the real Tread.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%288%29.JPG?m=1520524099)
The connecting links themselves are also interesting. They are almost identical, except the finish on one seems a bit better able to withstand use while the other seems to rub off a bit. What might surprise you is that the one that has the finish removed in the above picture is the brand new in box, still factory sealed until I got it and handled it enough to take these photos, while the finish on the fake still looks perfect despite a few months of wear.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%289%29.JPG?m=1520524101)
The same goes for the other side of the connecting link, and if there was any doubt about which one was which (maybe I confused them at some point) I would like you to have a look at the Tread itself:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%281%29.JPG?m=1520524093)
Even though my camera focused on the cutter instead of the side of the link you can see that there is no black finish on the ends of the links where the connection links attach, while the fake has black ends.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%286%29.JPG?m=1520524100)
I will probably end up deconstructing these both eventually and comparing each link with each other one, but for now trust me when I say that the links themselves are almost indistinguishable between the fake and the real Tread.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%285%29.JPG?m=1520524094)
The text and injector pin marks from the casting process are just as pronounced on one as they are the other. I doubt anyone here could identify the real ones from the fake ones without the other for comparison, and worse, I doubt most of us could sort them out 100% from a pile of real and fakes. In both of the above photos, the real Tread is on top and the face is on the bottom.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%284%29.JPG?m=1520524099)
Getting to the business end, as noted previously the clasp on the fake features too ball bearing detents to hold it closed while the real Tread only has one. This may be the easiest way to identify the fake from the real Tread, as it should be easy enough to pick out from photos, and is certainly easier than pulling screws out to see if they are the same color all the way through. You'll also notice that the real Tread seems to be just as scratched and scuffed as the fake, again despite the fake having been worn for months and the real one being factory fresh. Not a good sign for the Tread.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2821%29.jpg?m=1520524107)
You will also notice something else- what I'd originally thought was a glob of black paint on the fake is actually a bottle opener icon, which is more defined on the real one than the glob-ish look on the fake.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Fake/20171102_140326.jpg?m=1509649883)
Getting back to the ball detent, I have to wonder why Leatherman went with only one detent, while the fake one has two. Is Leatherman's ball detent that good that they only need one or did the cheapo decide it was just easier to use two? This is one of those things that needs time and testing to decide on, but I will say that the fake has never inadvertently come loose on my wrist, even when bumping into things, which is something I do often. :facepalm:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
There's one more thing to point out and that was something I hadn't picked up on until I was putting everything away. Again, I don't know if this would be something that would be noticeable on the natural stainless version, but here it is anyway.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2832%29.jpg?m=1520524111)
The scribe on the real Leatherman is uncoated. My guess is that this is a high carbon insert on the real Leatherman and just moulded in on the fake.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2833%29.jpg?m=1520524111)
So what does one conclude from all of this?
Well, the real Leatherman is superior for a few reasons, such as the (theoretically) better ball detent, (slightly) thicker, uncoated screws and real scribe, but the fake hits back with what appears to be a better coating and, let's face it, a hell of a lot better price. Is the real Tread worth roughly 4 times the price? That's for you to decide. All of this is just there so that you can make the right decision and not pay full price for what turns out to be a fake.
Def
Post by: dks on March 08, 2018, 06:34:07 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on March 08, 2018, 06:39:48 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 06:43:50 PM
the price should give you a good hint on whteher it is real or not
Until someone starts buying $50 ones and tries to resell them for $150.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 06:44:09 PM
Seems very easy to spot the real one. The links have the curve on the outside.
:facepalm:
Def
Post by: pfrsantos on March 08, 2018, 07:58:30 PM
Seems very easy to spot the real one. The links have the curve on the outside.
:facepalm:
Def
Well, ok, people may start turning them around... but for now it works, right?
:think: :think:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 08, 2018, 08:21:15 PM
Seems very easy to spot the real one. The links have the curve on the outside.
:facepalm:
Def
Well, ok, people may start turning them around... but for now it works, right?
:think: :think:
It came the normal way. I turned them around to make the fake easier to identify in the photos.
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on March 08, 2018, 08:35:08 PM
Now go sit on the naughty step.
And thank you Def, for your thorough write-up :salute:
Post by: RF52 on March 08, 2018, 09:22:47 PM
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Post by: microbe on March 09, 2018, 01:18:46 AM
Keep up the good work! :cheers:
Post by: pfrsantos on March 09, 2018, 07:25:46 PM
Seems very easy to spot the real one. The links have the curve on the outside.
:facepalm:
Def
Well, ok, people may start turning them around... but for now it works, right?
:think: :think:
It came the normal way. I turned them around to make the fake easier to identify in the photos.
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2018, 11:25:06 PM
Starting with this one:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Stainless-Steel-NEW-FREE-SHIPPING-Boxed/183134776103?hash=item2aa3aeeb27:g:Ay4AAOSw5E9arwaG
The box and instruction booklet are a dead giveaway, at least according to my samples. The fake one has a large booklet, while the real one has a smaller one. The 4th picture also shows the Tread is visibly loose on a lower quality, egg shaped hunk of foam. Looking t the Tread itself, we don't get to see the carbide scribe clearly in the pics, although to be honest I am not sure how obvious it will be on a silver Tread. Sadly I have plans to pick up a silver one soon to add to this comparison.
Knowing what I know at the moment, I am about 99% certain that this is NOT a read Tread.
The there's this one:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Black-NEW-FREE-SHIPPING-No-Box/183142169997?hash=item2aa41fbd8d:g:3uAAAOSwu4hatArj
Being black it plays into my wheelhouse, since that's where all my experience is. There's no packaging with this one to tip us off- is it a used one, or is it a fake?
The first thing I noticed was the lack of crazy colors resulting from the blackening process shown above. That puts a point in this one's favor, perhaps showing that it is real?
Without being able to see the scribe or the open clasp from both sides, this is a very difficult one to guess. Given that it is coming from the US, one has to wonder about this one, and based on the pics alone, I would honestly go 50/50 on this one, and I would contact the seller for specific pictures to determine it's legitimacy.
My larger conclusion is not to bother, as it is the same seller as the obvious fake above, and so I'm quite certain this one is fake as well. My reasoning is that if this person is selling one fake, what are the odds that they have real ones.
Then this one came up:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Stainless-Steel-NEW-FREE-SHIPPING-No-Box/183137127458?hash=item2aa3d2cc22:g:yX8AAOSwu4hasEAM
So the obvious issue is that it is the same seller as the previous one, and so this one is most likely a fake as well, but that's not really the point of this exercise- it's whether or not a fake can be positively identified from photos, and so far I have one yes and one no- the second (and third) so far are only guilty by association, with no real "smoking gun" so to speak.
Like the one above, there are no clear pictures of the scribe, but there is a clear (ish) photo of the clasp, showing the ball detent on one side. We know that the real Tread has a single ball, while the fake has two, so I pulled out my real one to check. Unfortunately, the image show in the auction shows the side where the real detent is, and so this is inconclusive.
However, given the price and the same seller that we know sells fakes, I am forced to conclude that this is yet another fake.
Then this last one, from a totally different seller:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-TREAD-Stainless-Steel-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Multi-Tool-As-LEATHERMAN-Black-NO/173220074623?hash=item2854b8947f:g:wZwAAOSwqURaq9jF
The cheesy photos give this one away as a knockoff, as does the fact that they obviously have many, and the seller is in China. Getting past that thought, and looking at the photos we see that most of the "in use" style photos really don't help, but if you scroll down you will see the Tread stretched out followed by a bunch of individual links.
The stretched out photo appears to only have one ball, although that may just be the angle, as the clasp photo shown below clearly shows two. If we go a little deeper into the single ball photo, we notice that the ball we can see is on the wrong side of the clasp, compared to the real Tread.
Looking at the opposite end of the stretched out photo we see the scribe, although it is difficult to tell if it's real or not, although if I had to guess I would say molded in because it does not seem like the darker grey one would expect from carbide. That is just 100% a guess though, as I don't have a silver Tread to compare it to (yet) and so I am guessing it is just molded in. Looking at Link #4 in the deconstructed section we see it is even listed as a carbide glass breaker, which in itself is odd, as Leatherman calls it a scribe. It seems odd to me that a seller would do this much research on a real Tread, then post wrong info like that.
Although this is the most obvious fake of the bunch, I am considering buying it because I think the description itself is almost worth the money they are asking!
Quote
No matter be the captive in the City long, man bones of wild genes all have never been forgotten. They are eager to explore and develop a thirst for adventure, eager to release the hot blood. Letterman portable multi function tool, to meet the man of tough temperament vision and longing, functional and practical,
I hadn't realized that David Letterman designed a tool similar to the Tread.... and they are right, the an bones in my wild genes are eager to release the hot blood, but that is probably because I like to do dumb things and am kind of accident prone... :ahhh
Tomorrow I will have a look through some of the more typical priced Treads and see if I can spot any fakes there, but so far it doesn't seem like there are any deals to be had on legitimate Treads or whether some sellers are putting real Tread prices on fake Treads and selling them off. I'll also report the above fakes to both Leatherman and eBay once you have all had a chance to look at them.
Def
Post by: twiliter on March 22, 2018, 11:30:18 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2018, 02:11:43 AM
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Black-Stainless-Steel-Bracelet-Multi-Tool/202103732470?hash=item2f0e5238f6:g:e-QAAOSwvTpZ~eoc
This one shows what appears to be real Treads in the photos, but as the model is the same one as above, and is obviously a stock photo I would be concerned as to whether it was a legitimate product or not.
However, the ball detents that you see are consistent with real Treads, and you can clearly see the different colored carbide insert on the otherwise black Tread. My guess would be (especially since the seller is in China) that this would be fakes at (almost) real pricing, which is, in my opinion much worse than fakes at fake prices.
Def
Post by: shark_za on March 23, 2018, 08:47:34 AM
Just had a look at a super cheap one on the bay, compared to my silver.
The ball bearing detent seems to have a collar around it on the fake while mine does not.
The finish on the clasp sides seems to be very bad while the original is very well smoothed out.
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 23, 2018, 08:54:57 AM
Post by: shark_za on March 23, 2018, 09:06:04 AM
Post by: Striker on March 23, 2018, 09:47:33 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on March 23, 2018, 11:23:09 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2018, 01:47:32 PM
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Stainless-Steel-NEW-FREE-SHIPPING-Boxed/183134776103?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908131621%26meid%3D9e5006fdcf2e47c4b48b9d712bc12a41%26pid%3D100678%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D3%26sd%3D183142169997%26itm%3D183134776103&_trksid=p2481888.c100678.m3607&_trkparms=pageci%3A34897428-2e98-11e8-8ab8-74dbd180e981%7Cparentrq%3A52e566ce1620aa14438f99e7ffff5f50%7Ciid%3A1
I'm off to report them to eBay now.
Def
Post by: ThePeacent on March 23, 2018, 02:03:07 PM
I would honestly go 50/50 on this one, and I would contact the seller for specific pictures to determine it's legitimacy.
My larger conclusion is not to bother, as it is the same seller as the obvious fake above, and so I'm quite certain this one is fake as well. My reasoning is that if this person is selling one fake, what are the odds that they have real ones.
well, maybe he was curious and got a fake, then a real one like you did, and just like you he found little use for them so is selling both :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2018, 02:19:11 PM
Methinks it is time I started pushing more info out there about fake Treads.
Def
Post by: David Bowen on March 23, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
He (or she) is selling a lot more than one or two, and many at real Tread full price.If I didn't own a few treads I would think these were real by the photos. You can see the rough spots in the clasp and stuff and Leatherman versions are clean and crisp. I'm floored by how good these fakes are.
Methinks it is time I started pushing more info out there about fake Treads.
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2018, 03:41:48 PM
Def
Post by: Aloha on March 23, 2018, 03:55:45 PM
Post by: Aloha on March 23, 2018, 04:06:04 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2018, 04:49:41 PM
Neither of my Treads, real or fake, have the barrels, only the preproduction link I got from them prior to launch.
Def
Post by: Aloha on March 24, 2018, 05:57:52 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2018, 12:36:24 AM
And I still need to find an early model with the barrels. I think I have a serious problem.
Def
Post by: zoidberg on March 25, 2018, 04:35:44 AM
Have you used it yet?
Like a legit saved the day because you wore a Tread type event.
Post by: Mechanickal on March 25, 2018, 09:32:21 AM
Can't be arsed looking back over the pages so I'll ask.I followed up here and haven't seen any reports on that :salute:
Have you used it yet?
Like a legit saved the day because you wore a Tread type event.
Post by: zoidberg on March 25, 2018, 10:14:37 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2018, 01:17:37 PM
Can't be arsed looking back over the pages so I'll ask.
Have you used it yet?
Like a legit saved the day because you wore a Tread type event.
Honestly?
Not at all. And, the one time I actually tried to use the fake, I ended up doing the job with a SOG SwitchPlier 2.0. The fake failed because of concept, not because it was a fake.
Imagine using a screwdriver bit with a driver handle made of chain. It provides a small amount of ability to hold and twist, but that small mechanical advantage is overshadowed by the fact that the handle requires constant support and the small screwdriver bit needs to have constant pressure to stay in contact with the screw. You'd be better off just using the bit by itself, and I think the Tread might benefit from having the links attached with some kind of quick release fastener so that the link could be popped out, used by itself without the frustration of the rest of the bracelet, then put back when done.
Def
Post by: Syncop8r on March 25, 2018, 01:21:26 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2018, 01:26:10 PM
Def
Post by: Syncop8r on March 25, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
To be carried in conjunction with a multitool, which wouldn't fulfill the carry anywhere-ness of the Tread but would perhaps cover the novelty aspect.
Post by: Mechanickal on March 25, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
Would you wear one to work Mechnic?I would, yes.
Most screws I encounter aren't dead tight and rather small.
However, I can not bring myself in paying retail price over here (usualy in store around $220) and I don't feel confident in buying second hand since this thread...
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
Def
Post by: David Bowen on March 25, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
No problem. I am seriously intrigued by the Tread now and I have my eye on both a real one in stainless, but tragically also another fake in stainless for an accurate comparison. :facepalm:Maybe you can talk me out of mine.....
And I still need to find an early model with the barrels. I think I have a serious problem.
Def
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2018, 03:00:50 PM
No problem. I am seriously intrigued by the Tread now and I have my eye on both a real one in stainless, but tragically also another fake in stainless for an accurate comparison. :facepalm:Maybe you can talk me out of mine.....
And I still need to find an early model with the barrels. I think I have a serious problem.
Def
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I'm game. What are you looking for?
Def
Post by: chrono on March 25, 2018, 03:14:22 PM
I had a quick look at a couple of higher priced models, and I'm not sure I would believe them. For example:
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Black-Stainless-Steel-Bracelet-Multi-Tool/202103732470?hash=item2f0e5238f6:g:e-QAAOSwvTpZ~eoc
This one shows what appears to be real Treads in the photos, but as the model is the same one as above, and is obviously a stock photo I would be concerned as to whether it was a legitimate product or not.
However, the ball detents that you see are consistent with real Treads, and you can clearly see the different colored carbide insert on the otherwise black Tread. My guess would be (especially since the seller is in China) that this would be fakes at (almost) real pricing, which is, in my opinion much worse than fakes at fake prices.
Def
Almost anything name brand items with free shipping from China, Hongkong... is guaranteed counterfeit. Ask yourself questions:
- Why the seller has so many?
- Why sell for cheaper than average price on eBay to American buyers, when retail price in their countries is two times as much?
- Why shipping costs very little to free, when it is not cheap to ship internationally, and eBay/ Paypal take even bigger cuts for international trades?
To me, most people buying these knowingly know they are buying fakes, and eBay is turning a blind eye on these sales.
Post by: chrono on March 25, 2018, 03:25:51 PM
Honestly, given the rub marks and un-coated bits on the real Tread, I would be inclined to think IT was the fake if I didn't know better. The finish on the fake is still in better shape after months of wear than the real one was straight out of the box. :facepalm:
Def
I have a metric Tread, bought "new without box" from a seller I bought I few stuffs from before. It was last year, I have not used it yet. I just looked at it again a moment ago. The foam insert is dense (checked), the scribe bit is uncoated (checked), the ball bearing detent is one sided (checked), the included pamphlet is small (checked). I think I got a real deal. There is a spot on one of the link, where the DLC coating is missing. So, in all, quality control in the coating dept at Leatherman is not the greatest, whereas the counterfeiters try to make the fakes as close to the real things as possible, hence potentially better coating. Ironic, isn't it?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 26, 2018, 03:04:56 AM
Def
Post by: Syph007 on March 26, 2018, 03:08:47 AM
Post by: shark_za on March 26, 2018, 08:43:22 AM
That’s why I would not take the hex bit links off mine.
And I wear it to impress friends and colleagues ;)
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Post by: shark_za on March 26, 2018, 08:51:00 AM
I have also used the 6mm “link 12” to hold the one end of a bolt while I used a spanner to remove the nut.
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Post by: Don Pablo on March 26, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
The tread still confuses me. If I couldnt have a bladed sak or my MT I would probably carry a multibit screwdriver and a knipex plierwrench. You can do alot with those and it's bladeless. I don't know how to wear that as man jewelery though. I hate jewelery. I don't wear my wedding ring either as I've seen pics of degloved fingers.Why is it when I learn about a scary word, someone uses it the next day? :dwts:
Post by: Syncop8r on March 26, 2018, 11:06:45 AM
Why is it when I learn about a scary word, someone uses it the next day? :dwts:Unbesmirched.
Post by: Don Pablo on March 26, 2018, 11:18:57 AM
Whom? (or what?)Why is it when I learn about a scary word, someone uses it the next day? :dwts:Unbesmirched.
Post by: Syncop8r on March 26, 2018, 11:34:26 AM
Post by: chrono on March 28, 2018, 01:46:45 PM
Besides the price, I would call this fake just for the Chinese-like user name, other junks he/ she is selling, grammatical error "sliver", and the disgusting picture of untrimmed finger nails (yuck!). That packaging is getting really close to the real thing.
Post by: lister on March 28, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
The tread still confuses me. If I couldnt have a bladed sak or my MT I would probably carry a multibit screwdriver and a knipex plierwrench. You can do alot with those and it's bladeless. I don't know how to wear that as man jewelery though. I hate jewelery. I don't wear my wedding ring either as I've seen pics of degloved fingers.Why is it when I learn about a scary word, someone uses it the next day? :dwts:
I am not googling that but I think I know what it means. That is exactly why I would never wear a ring! :ahhh
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2018, 02:25:04 PM
The tread still confuses me. If I couldnt have a bladed sak or my MT I would probably carry a multibit screwdriver and a knipex plierwrench. You can do alot with those and it's bladeless. I don't know how to wear that as man jewelery though. I hate jewelery. I don't wear my wedding ring either as I've seen pics of degloved fingers.Why is it when I learn about a scary word, someone uses it the next day? :dwts:
I am not googling that but I think I know what it means. That is exactly why I would never wear a ring! :ahhh
Ya Im actually thinking about a tattoo for a ring. Im sure other people must do that who work with machinery.
Post by: Mechanickal on March 28, 2018, 02:35:05 PM
How do you take it off to act all chill and cool at the bar? :ahhh
Post by: Syph007 on March 28, 2018, 02:38:06 PM
But... but...
How do you take it off to act all chill and cool at the bar? :ahhh
Im too old to know anything about that. :D
Post by: Mechanickal on March 28, 2018, 02:39:16 PM
Then you should stay at home watching birds and building SAKs instead of going to work :pok:But... but...
How do you take it off to act all chill and cool at the bar? :ahhh
Im too old to know anything about that. :D
Post by: Mechanickal on March 28, 2018, 02:40:10 PM
Post by: lister on March 28, 2018, 02:47:15 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 28, 2018, 10:07:40 PM
Check this listing out https://www.ebay.com/itm/LEATHERMAN-TREAD-Stainless-Steel-Multi-Tool-Bracelet-Sliver-or-Black-Gift/323175108157
Besides the price, I would call this fake just for the Chinese-like user name, other junks he/ she is selling, grammatical error "sliver", and the disgusting picture of untrimmed finger nails (yuck!). That packaging is getting really close to the real thing.
Tell me about it!
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/Leatherman-Tread/Tread-Comparison/Tread%20%2831%29.jpg?m=1520524110)
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that one is a fake as well, even though none of the identifiers I have pointed out are visible. That's probably WHY none of the identifiers are visible.... :ahhh
And of course the pricing....
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Post by: Syph007 on March 29, 2018, 03:30:31 PM
Im with the snake. :whistle:
(https://cdn7.bigcommerce.com/s-90c91/products/1218/images/2737/BS_TREAD_TEMP.1__43696.1291495952.600.600.gif?c=2)
Post by: chrono on March 30, 2018, 05:14:29 AM
I recommend having the 3/32 hex bit at the same side as the clasp's 1/4" drive for minimum interference. Also make sure the spring bars are straight to minimize the links pop out. I just wish Leatherman sell the clasp alone, so I can do another watch band with remaining links.
These 16mm chronolinks are of pretty good quality. There is virtually very little if no clearance between the link width and the watch slot. If only they are not so expensive... :facepalm:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 31, 2018, 12:08:57 AM
One of the fakes I am currently bidding on actually includes fake Chronolinks too. :facepalm:
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Post by: chrono on March 31, 2018, 02:24:55 AM
Looks pretty Cool!
One of the fakes I am currently bidding on actually includes fake Chronolinks too. :facepalm:
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I should have boasted in the Tread thread, but since this thread is all about being "Tread Cool" so I hijacked it a bit :whistle: There are quite a few eBay listings for watch adapter to Tread. Since the Chronolinks parts are made in China, I wonder if that contractor just went rouge and started selling them repacked? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Watch-Adapter-For-LEATHERMAN-THREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet/182479194422)
I am curious, do you mind to share the auction you are bidding on?
Post by: chrono on March 31, 2018, 03:41:44 AM
I bought it from a well known Chinese retailer for $50. If it's not a knockoff then I want to know how to contact their suppliers because I would buy Leatherman products by the truckload to resell.
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This guy might have done just that https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?item=183154805852&hash=item2aa4e08c5c%3Ag%3AyX8AAOSwu4hasEAM&_ssn=bookandpaper75
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 02, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
Looks pretty Cool!
One of the fakes I am currently bidding on actually includes fake Chronolinks too. :facepalm:
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I should have boasted in the Tread thread, but since this thread is all about being "Tread Cool" so I hijacked it a bit :whistle: There are quite a few eBay listings for watch adapter to Tread. Since the Chronolinks parts are made in China, I wonder if that contractor just went rouge and started selling them repacked? (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Watch-Adapter-For-LEATHERMAN-THREAD-Multi-Tool-Bracelet/182479194422)
I am curious, do you mind to share the auction you are bidding on?
I'd share it but I think it's over. I bid on it and it went $1 over my bid, doubtless as a way of getting me to increase it. I didn't bite so I'm expecting a second chance offer any minute now. :P
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Post by: lister on April 03, 2018, 10:01:27 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 04, 2018, 02:07:30 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 06, 2018, 11:00:58 PM
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Post by: Mechanickal on April 07, 2018, 09:33:05 AM
Post by: Syph007 on April 07, 2018, 02:45:12 PM
I have now added a silver Tread to the mix- I'll post some pics tomorrow. It's been worn and used, so I feel a lot better about putting it to use! :ahhh
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But how many will you wear at one time!
Post by: Mechanickal on April 07, 2018, 03:22:59 PM
1around the ankle, so it'll add more support and blend in perfectly.I have now added a silver Tread to the mix- I'll post some pics tomorrow. It's been worn and used, so I feel a lot better about putting it to use! :ahhh
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But how many will you wear at one time!
Both wrists...
It'll look like Grant is more than a MT enthousiast though... :think:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 07, 2018, 10:58:56 PM
Honestly, I still see the Tread as virtually useless but I am currently fascinated by it. :facepalm:
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Post by: Nix on April 07, 2018, 11:45:06 PM
I'm surprised Gerber hasn't released a Bear Grylls model.
Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2018, 12:06:15 AM
I was thinking more of a Chewbacca style bandolier.
Honestly, I still see the Tread as virtually useless but I am currently fascinated by it. :facepalm:
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With all those weird one piece tools and this tread, I will wonder if they were having a useless tools design contest. I don't think Tim would have got anywhere with his company if these were his first ideas.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2018, 03:27:10 AM
Plus, whether you like the Tread or not, what other tool from any manufacturer has gotten as much attention as the Tread, from inside the knife community as well as outside? Whether it is useful as a tool or not is open for debate, but you can't say that it hasn't brought Leatherman back to the forefront.
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Post by: Nix on April 08, 2018, 03:29:34 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2018, 01:34:23 PM
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Post by: David Bowen on April 08, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Speaking of which, look at this photo I took on yesterday's hike.... :facepalm:
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Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2018, 05:27:51 PM
Well you can use it as impromptu brass nuckles if nothing else. I can see if being a gift people buy for others. But looking at it in terms of value : function ratio it's the opposite of something I would think of making.
It's gotta dig into the skin a bit and rip out arm hair?
Post by: David Bowen on April 08, 2018, 06:28:57 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2018, 07:37:49 PM
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Post by: dks on April 08, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 08, 2018, 08:17:43 PM
I used the bottle opener to pop the top off a lime soda for Megan and is used the strap cutter to free a new bike pump from the zip ties holding it in the package.
It actually performed both tasks quite well, although when I was shifting from one zip tie to another I had to maintain a firm grip on it as holding the bracelet is like holding a chain and it threatens to slip out of your hand if you vary your grip even slightly.
If you don't drop it, you still may have to re-orient it in your hand to get the tool back that you were just using.
I had exactly the same problem with the fake Tread, the one time it got used.
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Post by: Syph007 on April 08, 2018, 08:56:54 PM
I guess the tread name comes from It looking like army tank tread?
Looking forward to my 6 treads I'm wearing saved the day stories. And it only counts a use if your could not have somved it with anything else on you like a coin or fingers etc. :D
Post by: chrono on April 09, 2018, 02:08:53 AM
Post by: nexus_HD on August 03, 2018, 06:56:08 PM
All of that said, it's a neat looking bracelet and I've gotten questions/compliments on it, but I haven't used it at all thus far. After seeing how expensive a real tread is, there is no way I'd spend that much on it, but I don't think I'd spend $50 on a knockoff either. Thanks again!
Post by: Mechanickal on August 03, 2018, 08:36:04 PM
Great to hear that you found your way here when looking for info and thanks for adding your pics :cheers:
Feel free to stick around. We're a friendly bunch ;)
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 05, 2018, 10:46:40 AM
The guy I gave it to never won a single Leatherman tool from the time they started on Facebook, and he was on of their biggest supporters. I won it on Father's Day a few years back, and I do miss it. However I'd buy a knock-off for $50 but would prefer that knock-off company left of the Leatherman logo as that would bug me.
For what I would use it for I cannot justify the cost of a Leatherman Tread for a hex wrench set, Mako, and a few smaller wrenches. I still need larger wrenches that the Tread could not handle, but it would reduce some weight issues. Leatherman ought to make a true cyclist's multitool, but I guess some recumbent trike manufacturer would have to hook up with Leatherman to give some incentive in the manufacturing of such.
Post by: Outback in Idaho on August 05, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
● Clasp hinge used a hollow pin. This warped a lot in use.
● The 1/4" socket adapter, which also locked the bracelet was wonky. Would of been better if the 1/4" socket adapter had locking bearing on both sides. When I was working with a farmer, the guy would throw a cantaloupe my way and on catching it the impact jarred the locking mechanism unlocked.
Was able to slide a skinny rectangular magnet inside one of the links, but found it not to be of much use other than sticking a hex bit or nail on the magnet and using it as a sun dial.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1813/43141145704_28931c0561_o.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 14, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
I woke up this morning to an interesting email:
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Hi !
I would personally like to thank you for writing this review.
http://www.multitool.org/news/how-to-tell-a-fake-tread-from-a-real-leatherman
I would be really grateful if you could answer a question of mine. I
have just received a fake leatherman Tread
it happens that the links are strongly attracted by magnets which
brings me to suspicion about whether it is actually stainless steel or
not. This does not apply for the screws and brackets which are not
attracted by magnets. Would you please share with me the behaviour of
you versions of Tread regarding magnets? Is there any way that it
could actually be stainless steel?
Thanks in advance,
John
I hadn't considered the magnetic attraction to be significant when I was going through my initial testing, as the term "stainless steel" applies to any steel with a minimum of 10% chromium. Beyond that, the composition is anyone's guess, and so stainless steels could be very attracted to magnets, or not at all, depending on the percentage of iron in the mix. Still, the idea of this test is not to determine the level of magnetic attraction, it is to determine any differences between the fake and real Treads.
I started off by using a stack of rare earth magnets that I use for all manner of magnetic testing. They are extremely powerful, and I once tested the screws in my ankles with them, not thinking it through and realizing how painful that test would be if it was successful. Fortunately, as it turns out, the screws and plates in my ankles are non-ferrous, so I am guessing they are titanium. If there had been even a small amount of iron in them, with magnets this powerful you likely would have heard my scream, regardless of what part of the planet you are on. :facepalm:
The magnets seemed to attract all three Treads (one fake in BO, one real in BO and one real polished stainless) with equal force- at least to my "feel" which admittedly is hardly scientific. Inconclusive, at least as far as the links go.
I then removed a screw from a real Tread and the fake Tread. As we know from above, the fake Tread screws are different, at least in appearance from the real ones, so would there be a difference in magnetic attraction, indicating a difference in iron content?
It turns out that yes, there was a difference. The real Tread screws launched themselves from several inches away and stuck to the magnets on impact with no additional movement, indicating a high level of magnetic attraction. The fake tread screws were still attracted to the magnets, but to a lesser degree, and rolled around a bit on the surface of the magnet, indicating a lower attractiveness in relation to their mass.
This makes sense, as the fake Treads are likely sourcing screws from somewhere else to minimize costs. These could be screws destined for electronic use, where magnetic attraction is a bad thing, or they could be intended for use in sealing something that is intended for use in a product where corrosion resistance is important, and therefore less iron was used for that reason. When producing a knockoff, it's typical to use something that already exists rather than going to the time/effort of manufacturing all the components from scratch.
On the other hand, it makes sense for Leatherman to manufacture their own screws in house, using the same source steel used in the Tread production itself, rather than having multiple types of steel.
This was a fascinating experiment to perform when I got up this morning and I would like to thank John publicly for bringing it to my attention.
The bottom line is, if the screws are highly attractive to magnets, it might be a real Leatherman. If they are "only sort of" attracted to magnets, it is probably a fake.
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Post by: SteveC on November 14, 2018, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: McStitchy on November 18, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Post by: Syph007 on November 18, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*tvY1wBTkin-IF6IC.jpg)
Sorry couldnt resist. I still think these are just bizarre.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 09, 2019, 05:42:33 PM
:facepalm:
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on October 15, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
This Tread came from Leatherman. Now I did notice there are three Leatherman Tread links than have open ended links. The cavities inside are enough to fit a Leatherman flat bit inside with slight wiggle room. Unsure if Leatherman let this open for people to magnetize their bits, or if there was going to be magnetized bits offered but never came to pass.
Leatherman does not do things like this unless there is a reason, otherwise all the links would have been closed off on the ends. Seems Leatherman had decided to let some Tread owners find a way to make consistent strong magnets from the flat bits to store in the Tread links, if they so wanted.
Post by: Rapidray on October 15, 2019, 03:17:57 PM