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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: turnsouth on January 07, 2012, 07:00:46 PM
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Saw this recent video where the the tester becomes amazed and speechless:
Victorinox Tinker "Rosta Frei" Rope Cutting/Edge Retention Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peO0akVMNbg#ws)
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That was a great watch. :o Thanks for posting. :tu:
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It's funny to see his attitude change throughout the video.
- From: "I know this isn't going to be very good" :P
- To: "I can't believe it's still cutting" ???
- Ending up with: "Who would have ever thought..." :o
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Nice video, thanks for that.
Once for ounce, SAK's are probably the best value in a pocket knife people can have. Even though I like my medium size stockman pattern knives, SAK's are handier for the same amount of space. They are also a huge bargain at their price point for the quality people get. The quality control is something more knife makers should try to copy.
The steel, well it's an everyperson's steel. Holds a decent edge and can be brought back fairly easily as demonstrated. Heat treat and edge geometry will play significant roles in edge holding capabilities. Personally, I like Bucks 420HC, Vic's stainless, and also a well done 1095 carbon steel blade.
Mike
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If you sharpen a few knives you realise that victorinox steel is not as soft as the supersteel brigade claims.
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
+1 here.
Mike
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
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Nice video, thanks for that.
Once for ounce, SAK's are probably the best value in a pocket knife people can have. Even though I like my medium size stockman pattern knives, SAK's are handier for the same amount of space. They are also a huge bargain at their price point for the quality people get. The quality control is something more knife makers should try to copy.
The steel, well it's an everyperson's steel. Holds a decent edge and can be brought back fairly easily as demonstrated. Heat treat and edge geometry will play significant roles in edge holding capabilities. Personally, I like Bucks 420HC, Vic's stainless, and also a well done 1095 carbon steel blade.
Mike
Well said, Mike.
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thanks for posting the video!
yeah, it is fun to hear how much he is astonished about what a sak can do :-)
another thing i need your help with, please: what is that thing he's got attached to the split ring?
i know what its for but i don't know the name. if any of you could provide a link it'd be very much appreciated.
thanks in advance.
cheers, marcus
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I was wondering the same thing marcus. :think: That would be super nice for pocket carry.
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TEC Accessories P-7 Suspension Clip (http://www.tecaccessories.com/products/product.php?II=27)
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thank you very much, kind sir :cheers:
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thank you very much, kind sir :cheers:
:salute:
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victorinox is outstanding. always.
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jdavis tests a lot of knives, so this is a very valid test.
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Super Video! Thanks for the Link :salute:
Like I've said before, all things considered, Victorinox may have the best steel for a pocket knife, and there is plenty of history to back this up. There are always tradeoffs, but for a general pocket knife Victorinox has a formula which works, and works very well. They still have great value in their products, that's hard to find. Opinel is one of the few others that seems to have really good value in their products when you look at the what's in the market.
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
Well said!!
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
:pok: so you are talking about all those people that bought the Damascus blade edition ??? >:D
:rofl:
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
:pok: so you are talking about all those people that bought the Damascus blade edition ??? >:D
:rofl:
I'll help out anyone who is not happy with the performance of they Damascus steel Victorinox knives. I will find a suitable task for them, just send me a PM.
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I completely forgot about their Damascus Pioneers. Is it actual damasteel, or merely their normal steel, but etched?
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
:pok: so you are talking about all those people that bought the Damascus blade edition ??? >:D
:rofl:
No I'm talking about the people who want 154CM S30V M4 M390 D2 :rant: :rant: :rant: :D
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I'm going out on a limb here and saying what I think. :D I've never been a steel knut and quite honestly people wishing for saks with high grade steels I'd like to :twak: I love saks just as they are. If you want a super steel get a tacticool folder and leave my saks alone! :rant: There I said it! :D
:pok: so you are talking about all those people that bought the Damascus blade edition ??? >:D
:rofl:
No I'm talking about the people who want 154CM S30V M4 M390 D2 :rant: :rant: :rant: :D
Ahh, like they do with Leatherman... >:D
:P :D
:multi:
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No I'm talking about the people who want 154CM S30V M4 M390 D2 :rant: :rant: :rant: :D
Ahh, like they do with Leatherman... >:D
:P :D
:multi:
Hey, hey! Don't be making fun of us poor Americans just because we can't match the fine Swiss engineering and build the perfect utility blade, but instead have to overcompensate with fancy steels.
:think: :think: :think:
You know when I write it down it does sound like we should be made fun of, never mind...
:D
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I am constantly amazed at the value for money you get with a SAK :)
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Is it me or does the guy only use the front third for cutting the rope? And then he uses the back 2/3rds for cutting the paper? What is Vic steel in the hardness scale? I seem to remember 56?
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Is it me or does the guy only use the front third for cutting the rope? And then he uses the back 2/3rds for cutting the paper?
I was thinking the same thing when I first saw it, but he makes a point in all his videos to cut the paper with the same part of the blade he is using on the rope. If you pause it in full screen you'll see that it is indeed the front third cutting the paper, but he holds the knife at such a steep angle (ostensibly to make sure the blade is doing the cutting, and he is not just forcing it through the paper) that it appears he is using a different part of the blade.
:tu:
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This vid pretty much sums up what I want from a knife. Reasonable edge retention, but more importantly ease of sharpening. I'll sacrifice retention over the ability to get a knife back up and running "on the go" anyday, which is why I've steered clear of the fancy steels for the most part.
It's really amusing to see the guy realise that feature has been right under his nose all the time from one of the biggest (and most overlooked IMHO) names in the knife world. By overlooked I mean in the eyes who see a SAK as a cheap and almost irrelevant alternative to the tacticool premium knives. I'll take a SAK, Sheffield made slippy, Case slippy or even my Byrd Tern over a super dooper fandango axis locking kryptonite bladed zombie skull smashing space age material scaled bank account wrecker with titanium liners anyday
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++1 for me
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Feel good movie! :popcorn:
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I couldn't agree more. I've got a D2 Canal Street Canittler, a Russell pen knife with VG10 steel and a Fallkniven with what they call gold laminate powder steel(!). They're good knives but I have knives with 1095 and 1070 carbon steel; SAK stainless; Sheffield stainless; Case CV and Trusharp; Buck 420HC; Rough Rider's 440A and a fair few other steels, and these are every bit as effective for my uses. Every bit. They're also, as has been pointed out above, easy to sharpen and you don't have to send them back to the factory if you dull the edge or put up with owning a knife shaped object that can't quite cut air. Steel snobbery is an unfortunate affliction and it's nice to see it being treated by application of a SAK.
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lol, hadn't watch this one before. Love it. :D
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victorinox has been around a long time and really have their stuff together.
i haven't experienced a bad Swiss made victorinox product.
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I love his demeanor change throughout the video. :tu:
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I love his demeanor change throughout the video. :tu:
I wish we could see his face when he is holding it in his hand and he is at a loss for words. :tool:
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Wow :D I love that this thread resurfaced... it should almost be a sticky.
I have to confess though... I'm working on a little photo idea for my new EDC that is in the mail to me right now... I'm pretty sure this one will be my EDC for the next few years, my current one I've carried for a couple years. Anyway; in doing that I looked back at some of my early knives.... and I could not believe how nice my first real knife was (not a SAK).... anyway it was never a real EDC probably because it was just a knife.... but any how... I got nostelgic and bought a my first non-SAK in a very very long time... textured G10, S30V, and Speedsafe.... if you like knives by this company Amazon has a good sale on.
Oh that's not the only knife that is in the mail to me...
Which one will be my EDC... stay tuned... :mail: :drink:
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It's OK to say Kershaw in my threads. I'm a big fan :D
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I couldn't agree more. I've got a D2 Canal Street Canittler, a Russell pen knife with VG10 steel and a Fallkniven with what they call gold laminate powder steel(!). They're good knives but I have knives with 1095 and 1070 carbon steel; SAK stainless; Sheffield stainless; Case CV and Trusharp; Buck 420HC; Rough Rider's 440A and a fair few other steels, and these are every bit as effective for my uses. Every bit. They're also, as has been pointed out above, easy to sharpen and you don't have to send them back to the factory if you dull the edge or put up with owning a knife shaped object that can't quite cut air. Steel snobbery is an unfortunate affliction and it's nice to see it being treated by application of a SAK.
I love my SAKs, and wouldn't change the steel in their blades at all. I've never abused the blades on any of them, but they've never batted a lash at anything I've thrown at them either.
I've had/have a few knives with VG10, and it'd be nice to have something with an S30V, ZDP, or D2 blade, but I realized that "super steels" really aren't all that different from one another when you look at the big picture. I think the actual differences that steel snobs argue over about edge retention, rust resistance, etc. are all very, very small in terms of the actual differences they make in practical application. I think that actual measurements of such properties in objective tests (hardness, ductility, etc.), would only show fractions of a percent of difference between them.
I used to think that super steels were the only way to go until I got my Condor Golok machete, which is made of 1075. After putting a proper convex edge on it, and putting it through some paces processing firewood, cutting tree branches, brush, and green foliage with it, I am very, VERY pleased with its edge retention and how easy it is to sharpen. It really sold me on the high carbon steels. In fact I went out and bought a BK14 (made of 1095), as a general camp/survival knife because of how well the 1075 in my Condor has held up so far.
But, back on topic... SAKs rule! :D