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Title: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 06:00:03 PM
Does anyone else think that Victorinox should produce a Swisstool Spirit version with non-locking blades (like on their standard SAKs)? The only thing  stopping me from getting a Spirit is the fact that it locks!  :-[

P.S. Sorry about the misleading title!
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Styerman on April 03, 2010, 06:05:57 PM
I agree , I think it would be nice if my benighted Brit. cousins got a street legal Spirit .

Chris
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: J-sews on April 03, 2010, 06:08:42 PM
It's not as easy as simply removing the slider locks though. :( (the blades then flop around loosely)  So a bit more of a redesign than that, but it seems like it would be worth it :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Styerman on April 03, 2010, 06:12:46 PM
Common sence in their lawmakers would also help . In no way is a Spirit a weapon . Personally , I don't think locking really matters in a multi .

Chris
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 06:18:53 PM
Common sence in their lawmakers would also help . In no way is a Spirit a weapon . Personally , I don't think locking really matters in a multi .

Chris

I agree, but seeing as the knife laws look like they're only going to get more strict, I can't imagine that locking blades are going to be made legal any time soon.  ???

 
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 06:41:43 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 06:44:38 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D

That would be ideal, you would have drivers etc. that don't fold on you, but the non-locking blade etc. would make it legal!

P.S. Do Victorinox read this forum?  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 06:46:23 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D

That would be ideal, you would have drivers etc. that don't fold on you, but the non-locking blade etc. would make it legal!

P.S. Do Victorinox read this forum?  :D

i would like to think so,  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 06:57:11 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 06:58:26 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 07:00:27 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)

So would I  ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 07:01:40 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)

So would I  ;)
I've emailed them in the past about this subject, probably a couple of years back, so you could always fire of an email and see what they come back with mate :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 07:04:05 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)

So would I  ;)
I've emailed them in the past about this subject, probably a couple of years back, so you could always fire of an email and see what they come back with mate :)

Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a go  :)

Where can I find their email?
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 07:06:10 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)

So would I  ;)
I've emailed them in the past about this subject, probably a couple of years back, so you could always fire of an email and see what they come back with mate :)

Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a go  :)

Where can I find their email?
Hang on a sec...
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 07:06:24 PM
This is a topic very dear to my heart :)

I've wished for a slippy, plier based tool for ages now. But the wheel's at Vic do turn slowly, so hopefully they've something in development for us :)

There's always the LM Juice...
Not for me there isn't :D

There's nothing wrong with the Juice, I'd just prefer a robust, fully equipped MT :)

So would I  ;)
I've emailed them in the past about this subject, probably a couple of years back, so you could always fire of an email and see what they come back with mate :)

Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a go  :)

Where can I find their email?

what about if we all fire them a email  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 07:06:50 PM
http://www.victorinox.com/content/contact_us
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 07:10:02 PM
http://www.victorinox.com/content/contact_us

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 07:19:16 PM
done  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 07:24:41 PM
Nice one guys :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: nuphoria on April 03, 2010, 07:40:57 PM
I totally agree with you zed - locking drivers etc and non-locking blade would be perfect.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 07:46:26 PM
I totally agree with you zed - locking drivers etc and non-locking blade would be perfect.

a dream uk legal MT chrissy  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 07:58:13 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D

depends what your using it for id prefer a locking blade at work especially when im using it to strip wire
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Zed on April 03, 2010, 07:59:43 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D

depends what your using it for id prefer a locking blade at work especially when im using it to strip wire


yeah but we are talking about a legal street carry MY ryan, for work i would use my wave or ST300 , but for general carry i use the pst as no locking blades, blooming laws  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 08:07:57 PM
I would be happy with locking toole ie drivers , but no locking blade and saw, i would like a wave like this,  :D

depends what your using it for id prefer a locking blade at work especially when im using it to strip wire


yeah but we are talking about a legal street carry MY ryan, for work i would use my wave or ST300 , but for general carry i use the pst as no locking blades, blooming laws  :-\

yeah i agree with you now

and im sure the backsprings would help a bit with saftey
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2010, 09:01:17 PM
There are always the non-locking Bear tools

I know what you mean though.   A Spirit with locking drivers but non-locking blades would be most welcome.  A nice strong backspring and perhaps a choil like on the Spyderco UKPK.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
There are always the non-locking Bear tools

I know what you mean though.   A Spirit with locking drivers but non-locking blades would be most welcome.  A nice strong backspring and perhaps a choil like on the Spyderco UKPK.


i thought screwdrivers were classed as offensive these days XD
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 03, 2010, 09:10:30 PM
There are always the non-locking Bear tools

I know what you mean though.   A Spirit with locking drivers but non-locking blades would be most welcome.  A nice strong backspring and perhaps a choil like on the Spyderco UKPK.


Good idea   :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Styerman on April 03, 2010, 09:18:39 PM
Has anyone who wasn't being a Pratt ever gotten busted in connection with a Multitool ? I have heard there have been a few Custodial sentences in re: repeat offenders with locking folders .

Wouldn't a Vic. Mechanic or Cybertool 34 be a good UK legal answer . I would certainly rather have either of those than a Juice .

Chris
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
Well I'm not really a plier user (much prefer molegrips) but the sak pliers are a bit limited on utility :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 11:33:08 PM
There are always the non-locking Bear tools

I know what you mean though.   A Spirit with locking drivers but non-locking blades would be most welcome.  A nice strong backspring and perhaps a choil like on the Spyderco UKPK.



sorry but whats a choil
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2010, 11:37:10 PM
Bit of the blade between the pivot and the cutting edge.  If you take a look at the UKPK you'll see a curved cut out from the bottom of the blade next to the handle.  On that particular knife it works exceptionally well at preventing you folding the blade on your fingers even though there is no lock.

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/choilukpk.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: ryan1835 on April 03, 2010, 11:41:42 PM
Bit of the blade between the pivot and the cutting edge.  If you take a look at the UKPK you'll see a curved cut out from the bottom of the blade next to the handle.  On that particular knife it works exceptionally well at preventing you folding the blade on your fingers even though there is no lock.

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/choilukpk.jpg)

ooh so your fingers kinda act as a lock?
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Neil on April 03, 2010, 11:42:43 PM
You make it sound painful :D  But basically yes.  It really works very well.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 03, 2010, 11:43:57 PM
Bit of the blade between the pivot and the cutting edge.  If you take a look at the UKPK you'll see a curved cut out from the bottom of the blade next to the handle.  On that particular knife it works exceptionally well at preventing you folding the blade on your fingers even though there is no lock.

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/choilukpk.jpg)

ooh so your fingers kinda act as a lock?
No the stiff arsed backspring does that :)

It's more of an additional safety in that the kicker/choil prevents it closing on your fingers :)

Plus it make it easy to choke up your grip on the blade for extra fine cuts :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: rp252 on April 04, 2010, 03:08:27 AM
Bit of the blade between the pivot and the cutting edge.  If you take a look at the UKPK you'll see a curved cut out from the bottom of the blade next to the handle.  On that particular knife it works exceptionally well at preventing you folding the blade on your fingers even though there is no lock.

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/choilukpk.jpg)

ooh so your fingers kinda act as a lock?
No the stiff arsed backspring does that :)

It's more of an additional safety in that the kicker/choil prevents it closing on your fingers :)

Plus it make it easy to choke up your grip on the blade for extra fine cuts :)

Yeah, gives you a lot more control of the blade for fine work.  I never get a user that doesn't have one - they're just so useful.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: gadgetman7 on April 04, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
Why not just leave the blade off completely? That's easier and you could replace it with another tool or make the tool thinner. Besides, you then have an excuse to carry another SAK!
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 04, 2010, 06:12:14 PM
Why not just leave the blade off completely? That's easier and you could replace it with another tool or make the tool thinner. Besides, you then have an excuse to carry another SAK!
I personally don't like bladeless MT's, having said that, if it was the only option...
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Benner on April 04, 2010, 07:01:30 PM
I prefer bladeless MT's.  As someone that always carries a folder of some sort, I find the blades on a MT to be completely redundant.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: nuphoria on April 04, 2010, 07:50:19 PM
That's what I've been thinking recently - mod a SOG to be useful and bladeless and then carry the UKPK with it. Keeping a serrated blade in might be a useful option I think  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: donvito on April 04, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
That's what I've been thinking recently - mod a SOG to be useful and bladeless and then carry the UKPK with it. Keeping a serrated blade in might be a useful option I think  :think:
You can do a Power lock with 4 long tools, file, wood saw, serrated blade, and scissors or v cutter and leave a pe blade out :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Craig on April 05, 2010, 10:32:35 PM
Here's a thread on disabling the locks on a Spirit:

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36566&highlight=scissors (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36566&highlight=scissors)

And hears the resulting discussion on here :tu:

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11046.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11046.0.html)

IMO all Victorinox would have to do is take the locks off and cut a few less slots in the backsprings. Putting all the sharps on one side and leaving the other locking would be a bonus.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: AddictedToTools on April 05, 2010, 10:51:26 PM
Has anyone here tried temporarily disabiling the locks on their spirit? If so, how stiff were the springs? This simple mod might just convince me to buy a Spirit, but only if the springs make the tool usable without locks!
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Neil on April 05, 2010, 11:07:52 PM
Only ever done it to a SwissTool.  A passable solution but obviously not ideal.
Title: Re: UK Legal Spirit
Post by: Bill.H on April 07, 2010, 04:13:36 AM
Has anyone tried to Dremel off the hump where the lock catches? Convert the hump to a ramp and it won't lock - and it won't stop any of the other tools from locking.