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Title: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 15, 2013, 09:43:40 PM
This is probably pretty sad, but I'm a bit excited about it anyway- this is my new (to me) utility trailer.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969302_10153164863350441_315715279_n.jpg)

I realize it's not new or exciting, flashy or special, but I have been after a reasonably priced, decent trailer for some time now, and the guy across the street mentioned he may be selling his.  We got to talking, and long story short, it's now mine!  :D

The deck doesn't tilt, but the tongue does so that the whole trailer can tilt, achieving the same thing.  The back fence also folds down- the previous owner used it for his motorcycle, which he recently sold as well, which is actually how we started talking about the trailer in the first place.

Now all I need to do is get a hitch installed on the new Jeep- the old one has the receiver but no ball, and it doesn't have a plate on it at the moment, so that's really no good to me unless I want to drive it around in the yard!  :P

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on August 15, 2013, 09:55:05 PM
That's a nice looking little trailer you picked up.  :tu:

I've been wanting to buy one for sometime now as every time I need to borrow my fathers, it either has garbage in it, or something electrical isn't working.

Oh, and think of how many spare parts you'll be able to take on the trails now!!  :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Zed on August 15, 2013, 10:01:43 PM
The dogs will love it def  :D  :salute:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: captain spaulding on August 15, 2013, 10:14:28 PM
Soooooo what do you plan on using it for?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 15, 2013, 10:18:35 PM
That's a nice looking little trailer you picked up.  :tu:

I've been wanting to buy one for sometime now as every time I need to borrow my fathers, it either has garbage in it, or something electrical isn't working.

Oh, and think of how many spare parts you'll be able to take on the trails now!!  :D

You are welcome to borrow mine any time Derek, although it might be a little less convenient to come into town to get it!

As I said in Facebook, not everyone needs a utility trailer, but just about everyone needs a friend who has one!  I imagine I'm going to get very popular!

As for what I'm going to use it for, well I own a small apartment building so I'll be hauling lumber, drywall, plywood and the odd appliance.  Pretty well anything that needs hauling that I can't put in or don't want to put in the Jeep.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Nhoj on August 15, 2013, 10:29:50 PM
Right now I own a F150 but when I get my new Wrangler I'm sure I'll miss the pickup bed and certainly need one of those.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 15, 2013, 10:45:25 PM
That's exactly why I wanted one.  I figured this was the best of both worlds since I didn't want a pickup truck. There are times when that big bed comes in handy though!

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on August 16, 2013, 12:52:25 AM
That's a nice looking little trailer you picked up.  :tu:

I've been wanting to buy one for sometime now as every time I need to borrow my fathers, it either has garbage in it, or something electrical isn't working.

Oh, and think of how many spare parts you'll be able to take on the trails now!!  :D

You are welcome to borrow mine any time Derek, although it might be a little less convenient to come into town to get it!

As I said in Facebook, not everyone needs a utility trailer, but just about everyone needs a friend who has one!  I imagine I'm going to get very popular!

As for what I'm going to use it for, well I own a small apartment building so I'll be hauling lumber, drywall, plywood and the odd appliance.  Pretty well anything that needs hauling that I can't put in or don't want to put in the Jeep.

Def

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Thanks, I appreciate that!

You will definitely become more popular. I always use to get asked if I could borrow my father's trailer to help someone move something. I'd uselessly get beer out of it though, so it wasn't all bad :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on August 16, 2013, 01:37:41 AM
That's one of the reasons I don't want a pickup truck- I'd have to put those stickers all over it that say "Yes it's my truck, and no I won't help you move."

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on August 16, 2013, 04:17:21 AM
I actually considered pickup an an option after I get rid of my jeep since cargo space is nice, but having to help people move sure is an downside I've never thought about!
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2014, 12:42:21 AM
Thread necro!

I finally got a hitch receiver and wiring harness for my JK.  This poor little trailer has been sitting there doing nothing since I brought it home last summer, and it will probably continue to sit there until the weather warms up and I have a chance to install my hitch receiver.

Now I have to work on a way to clamp a set of cross bars on the top rails of the trailer so I can put my kayak J racks on it, as that is probably how it is going to be used most of all.  You'd be amazed at how badly your fuel economy is affected by a few kayaks on the roof:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/542306_10152088353510441_1274841441_n.jpg)

I figure putting them on the trailer tucked in behind the slipstream of the Jeep will make a big difference, plus I won't have to lift it as high at the end of the day, which is also important because kayaks are always super heavy on the way home!  :P

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: WhichDawg on February 11, 2014, 02:15:45 AM
where's the pink one?  :think:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
I swear I don't know what you are talking about...  :think:

:P

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ToolJoe on February 11, 2014, 04:00:47 PM


   When I had my Honda Fit before I bought the Mazda 5, I told Mrs. TJ that a hitch and a utility trailer was the solution for my cargo ability instead of getting another vehicle.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: WhichDawg on February 11, 2014, 04:28:41 PM
I am truly shocked and amazed at the popularity and "prices" of cargo/utility trailers!

they are like gold sometimes, few weeks ago here in Oregon the news had a story about some crooks stealing them right out of people's yards! so popular  :salute:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2014, 04:49:22 PM
Around here there are no serial numbers or anything on a utility trailer which means anyone can take it, claim they built it, put their own plate on it and it is officially theirs and there isn't much you can do about it.

Of course, to get mine you'd need to come into my yard, maneuver it around several other cars, up a small but steep embankment, over the sidewalk and onto the road, in full view of pretty well everyone in the neighborhood, all without alarming one of three large dogs in the house.

And, this summer I'll probably put a lock of some kind on it, probably chain it to the fence or put one of those tongue locks on it.  Either way, there are a lot easier scores than mine, so I feel pretty safe.  :D

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Cupboard on February 12, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
Round here hitch locks and wheel locks (like if you've parked somewhere naughty and got clamped?) are quite popular.

My dad's horse trailer's anti theft device is the brakes sticking on and requiring a sledgehammer to free off  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: RT1969 on February 12, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
My dad's trailer security is a combination of both methods: The Hammer Breakā„¢ and a lock in the hitch that is uncomfortable to reach and open with a key, I wonder what pain you would endure with a lockpick.

Very useful, those 'little' trailers!
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 12, 2014, 02:21:58 PM
This is my trailer security system.  :D

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/t1/296204_10152894186705441_1646538332_n.jpg)

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 13, 2014, 06:32:12 AM
Note to self, bring steak and dog treats when stealing Grant's trailer.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
It'll cost you more in gas to get here than the trailer is worth!  :P

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 13, 2014, 02:56:05 PM
And I don't have a trailer hitch, wonder if bungee cords are going to hold.  :think:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
I have a hitch on my TJ but not on the JK. I don't have a plate on the TJ, nor do I have the wiring harness for the lights. 

I've now got all the wiring I need for both, I just need some decent weather to install all of it!

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 13, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Are you going with a hitch bar to the frame or a bumper with built in hitch?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2014, 05:57:08 PM
I just have the Rugged Ridge basic hitch now that bolts under the existing bumper but eventually I will be getting a better steel bumper with hitch and tire carrier.

The basic one is more than capable of handling my utility trailer so that's the priority at the moment.  When I start looking at campers again I'll look at weight distribution setups.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 13, 2014, 06:09:26 PM
On TJ? if it only attaches to the bumper you might need a frame tie in, since the bumper is only attached to frame by two thin steel tabs. Not sure how the bumper on JK works.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 13, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
No the TJ has a whole setup.  The JK apparently has something just forward of the rear bumper to attach to.  I haven't been under it to look yet due to the weather, but that's what the pictures in the instructions show.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 14, 2014, 04:38:21 AM
Nice, they even made it doable from factory. Sure is night and day compare to TJ, at least it rides like a car instead of like a tractor with bad suspension.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: bmot on February 14, 2014, 03:49:05 PM
Thread necro!

I finally got a hitch receiver and wiring harness for my JK.  This poor little trailer has been sitting there doing nothing since I brought it home last summer, and it will probably continue to sit there until the weather warms up and I have a chance to install my hitch receiver.

Now I have to work on a way to clamp a set of cross bars on the top rails of the trailer so I can put my kayak J racks on it, as that is probably how it is going to be used most of all.  You'd be amazed at how badly your fuel economy is affected by a few kayaks on the roof:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/542306_10152088353510441_1274841441_n.jpg)

I figure putting them on the trailer tucked in behind the slipstream of the Jeep will make a big difference, plus I won't have to lift it as high at the end of the day, which is also important because kayaks are always super heavy on the way home!  :P

Def


So... I can't stop wondering, are you just a master of photoshop, or don't you have front number plates in Canada?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 14, 2014, 04:58:28 PM
No front plates in Nova Scotia, but it varies by province.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 14, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
Nova Scotia and Quebec are the only two provinces in Canada that don't require a front plate.  You can get a front plate if you like here, but as it costs extra most folks don't bother. 

Nice, they even made it doable from factory. Sure is night and day compare to TJ, at least it rides like a car instead of like a tractor with bad suspension.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  :D

I really like my TJ.  Every time I get behind the wheel of that thing I'm reminded of just how much fun it is to drive, and I can't wait to get it back on the road again.  It's nice to have an alternative though, as that suspension can really wear you out on long drives!   :ahhh

Still, if I had to choose one or the other, it would be a very hard decision indeed.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 23, 2014, 05:10:19 PM
Today I installed the hitch receiver on my JKU.  Sure it's February and I had to do the work in my driveway, but it's +10C here today and the sun is shining- I won't have a better opportunity to do it until spring, so I did it today.  After all, it will only take a few minutes right?  It's only four bolts.... :whistle:

The main problem arose when I noticed just how little space I had to work with.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110443_zpsb4170bbc.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110443_zpsb4170bbc.jpg.html)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110452_zps4641338b.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110452_zps4641338b.jpg.html)

As you can see, the space between the cross member that I had to work in was just marginally wider than the nuts I had to use to secure it, and I had to put a washer under the nut.  Luckily there's a small cutout inside the bumper, but it isn't easy to reach it in the first place.  I have pretty slender hands, but even my fingers were too large to fit up in there.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110455_zpsf44b4637.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110455_zpsf44b4637.jpg.html)

I realize these are some odd angles, but bear in mind I am lying on my back under the truck in the driveway.  If you know how a hitch receiver works you shouldn't have any problems figuring out the odd angle.

I tried balancing the nut in the jaws of a wrench and carefully sliding it up inside, but that really didn't work- I ended up knocking the washer off and having to start again, so something else had to be done.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110512_zpsffabfb0a.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_110512_zpsffabfb0a.jpg.html)

I ended up using a telescoping magnet doodad used for picking up dropped screws to reach in and hook the washer on the bolt, then following it with the nut.  If I was careful I could manage it without the magnet taking the washer off when I lifted the nut into place, and it allowed me to position the nut more carefully than I would have been able to by balancing it in the jaw of a wrench.  It wasn't an ideal solution, but it was the only one I had available to me that worked, so I went with it.  :D

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111225_zpsb40e9e00.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111225_zpsb40e9e00.jpg.html)

Once all four bolts were tightened (and I mean really tightened!) it was time to install the wiring harness.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111228_zpse48046e7.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111228_zpse48046e7.jpg.html)

This was the easy part, just unscrew the driver's side tail light, unplug the connector, plug the harness in then feed the wiring down through the body until it comes out underneath.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111333_zpsdca12a61.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111333_zpsdca12a61.jpg.html)

Note the extra wire (white one) that leads to the flashers we installed last year.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111512_zpsffd0d49b.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111512_zpsffd0d49b.jpg.html)

Then just simply run it under and attach it to the hitch itself so that it's handy to plug the trailer into and done!

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111654_zps06067d07.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Jeepin/JKU%20Hitch%20Install/20140223_111654_zps06067d07.jpg.html)

So maybe it wasn't the most difficult mechanical job ever done, but it did take a lot longer to do than I'd initially planned as I didn't realize there was so little room for the nuts.  It would have taken all of about twenty minutes to do had there been an inch or an inch and a half of space to work in, but I think it went well enough.  All in all I think it took about an hour- I wasn't timing myself and it wasn't a race, so no big deal.

Still, it always feels good to get your hands dirty and getting something done!  Now all I need is to get a ball and have my trailer inspected and it'll be ready for the road.  Then I will need to get some practice in backing a trailer up, as that is something I haven't done much of in my life, and I could really use some practice.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 23, 2014, 05:19:35 PM
I hate when there's not much room to maneuver your nuts!  That is a bloody tight fit eh!
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 23, 2014, 05:25:45 PM
I hate when there's not much room to maneuver your nuts!  That is a bloody tight fit eh!

(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa232/98ekhatch98/TheOffice-ThatsWhatSheSaid-Michael.jpg)

:D

Seriously, yes, it is a huge pain in the butt.  I have to wonder if the mechanics that install these kinds of things on a regular basis have some kind of jig they use, because this was a major pain in the arse.

I was very tempted to take the whole bumper off to install it, or just say to heck with it and pay a mechanic to deal with it.   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: gregozedobe on February 24, 2014, 01:50:15 AM
I would have been tempted to use a small dab of superglue to temporarily attach the washer to the nut, then use a Schrade ST6 (long nose locking plier MT) to firmly hold the nut (and attached washer) exactly where I wanted it.  Unless the nut was too far in for the ST6 to reach.

You should always look for an excuse to involve an MT or SAK on any job described on MTo, you should know that  :pok:

Nice photo how-to BTW.  I find it satisfying to work out how to do something myself, especially if it gets a bit fiddly or tricky, because I know not all tradesman will take care to do a thoroughly good job like I try to.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: WhichDawg on February 24, 2014, 09:01:57 AM
Nice photo how-to BTW. 

yeah very nice play by play shots! :salute:

it was like I was there Grant, stuck under your jeep swearing too! :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 24, 2014, 10:41:03 AM

Nice, they even made it doable from factory. Sure is night and day compare to TJ, at least it rides like a car instead of like a tractor with bad suspension.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  :D

I really like my TJ.  Every time I get behind the wheel of that thing I'm reminded of just how much fun it is to drive, and I can't wait to get it back on the road again.  It's nice to have an alternative though, as that suspension can really wear you out on long drives!   :ahhh

I thought it was okay too when I bought it, but now that I'm getting older, feeling like I'm driving through Rubicon trail on roads that barely felt in a civic just isn't as appealing anymore.  :ahhh
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 24, 2014, 12:25:01 PM
Damn, using superglue is a great idea!  I'll have to remember that in case I'm ever in an equally crappy situation.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 12:54:55 PM
I would have been tempted to use a small dab of superglue to temporarily attach the washer to the nut, then use a Schrade ST6 (long nose locking plier MT) to firmly hold the nut (and attached washer) exactly where I wanted it.  Unless the nut was too far in for the ST6 to reach.

You should always look for an excuse to involve an MT or SAK on any job described on MTo, you should know that  :pok:

Nice photo how-to BTW.  I find it satisfying to work out how to do something myself, especially if it gets a bit fiddly or tricky, because I know not all tradesman will take care to do a thoroughly good job like I try to.

It was about an inch to an inch and a half in, and there wasn't room for both the washer and the nut to go in at the same time.  Once you got in a little ways it opened up a little bit more so you could get the nut on the end of the bolt, but you couldn't put the washer and the nut in at the same time.  I'm not sure the ST5 would have made it either, but the superglue combined with my initial wrench idea probably would have worked.  Of course, I don't usually keep superglue around as it tends to dry out from one use to the next.


Nice, they even made it doable from factory. Sure is night and day compare to TJ, at least it rides like a car instead of like a tractor with bad suspension.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  :D

I really like my TJ.  Every time I get behind the wheel of that thing I'm reminded of just how much fun it is to drive, and I can't wait to get it back on the road again.  It's nice to have an alternative though, as that suspension can really wear you out on long drives!   :ahhh

I thought it was okay too when I bought it, but now that I'm getting older, feeling like I'm driving through Rubicon trail on roads that barely felt in a civic just isn't as appealing anymore.  :ahhh

If you saw the roads in my neighborhood right now you'd be thankful for the rough ride in the Jeep, as your Civic would probably bottom out or worse.  This is a picture I took last month, and it's gotten worse since then.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1549450_10153753197105441_2108565259_n.jpg)

That curb you see in the top right corner is the one surrounding my house.  I'll see if I can get a better shot for you later, but you get the idea- a sturdy truck is a much better drive here than a car.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 24, 2014, 01:03:08 PM
Our roads are a bloody disaster right now!  I'd hate to think how many people have blown tires and bent rims around here.  There are some potholes that would probably make our Jeeps disappear, never to be seen again.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
Yeah, I know what you mean.  My boss' wife blew out and destroyed a rim on their Jag last month, and those rims are worth more than I have paid for many entire cars I have owned.   :ahhh

While I'm not exactly scared to take my VW out (I did yesterday) there are some very nasty holes around here and I would much rather deal with them easily in the Jeep than have to swerve around them in the VW.  I still try to avoid them in the Jeep, but it's just not as much of a concern in it.  This is a large part of why I prefer a solid front axle in a truck.  Yes the ride quality may suffer a bit, but every year I see cars and SUV's in intersections with the front end only held off the ground by the front tire being wedged into the fender, and I would really prefer that wasn't me.  I just don't trust independent front suspension in that level of punishment, especially in SUV's, which have a lot more mass than a car and hit potholes that much harder.  In order to achieve the same strength ratio as a car, an SUV that weighs twice as much has to have a front end that is four times as strong as that of the car, and I really don't believe they are that strong. 

People call me paranoid, but you hit holes like that on a fairly regular basis, at certain speeds and I think it's just a matter of time that you lose a wheel. 

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 04:33:51 PM
Latest photo of my road.   For some reason it is rotated again.  Stupid Tapatalk. ...

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 04:35:16 PM
Or maybe not. 

Here is the completed look of the receiver install.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 04:35:51 PM
And a close up.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 24, 2014, 04:43:15 PM
Looks good!  I like how it's pretty well hidden, unlike mine that sticks out like a sore thumb!
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2014, 05:52:23 PM
Yeah well it will be a lot more obvious once there's a ball on it.

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on February 24, 2014, 06:00:40 PM
People do tend to notice balls on a rear end don't they. :whistle:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 25, 2014, 06:10:09 AM
Latest photo of my road.   For some reason it is rotated again.  Stupid Tapatalk. ...

Def

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Damn, that is bad, I guess you have those city workers spending more time in coffee shop than filling potholes too eh?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 25, 2014, 11:40:01 AM
Looks that way.  If I come from the other way (in the distance in that photo) I can get the VW in the narrow gap between pothole and curb without hitting any.  Coming from the direction the photo was taken from there's no chance- I have to take the car through it.  Very slowly.  Some are deep enough that there's potential to bottom out, even at low speeds.

This is why I like my Jeep.  By the time I come across a pothole big enough to affect it, it's probably already been filled in by the wreckage from smaller cars.   >:D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 25, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
If I recall, your place is on the left next to the road sign, right?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2014, 12:51:29 AM
Yes, that's me, although we have moved into the middle unit since you were here.  We were in the lower one, but my wife wanted more space so when one was available we moved upstairs.

That means I have to turn up the side street to get home, which means driving through that mess.   :ahhh

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 26, 2014, 03:46:44 AM
So, figure it'll take them 4 months to fix it, then crumble again after 5 months?  :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Whoey on February 26, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
I've noticed some particularly awful sections of road here as well on some of my regular routes. And I'm not in a Jeep  :ahhh
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2014, 11:37:42 AM
So, figure it'll take them 4 months to fix it, then crumble again after 5 months?  :D

That section of road is always bad, but not usually this bad.  It seems like they fix it every year.  I think it's a drainage problem- it is the joint between two roads, with the side road going uphill.  The water comes down the side road, hits the main road and kind of stops, seeping into any small cracks where it freezes in the winter and pushes up the asphalt.  It doesn't help that the buses run over that section every half hour and that it's a popular spot for people to turn around.

The city apparently acknowledges that there is a hazard there, and has put up a sign warning people it's there.  Personally I believe if someone doesn't see a series of bad road like that ahead of them they deserve to have the underside of their car ripped out. 

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on February 26, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
The salt you have probably plays a big part too, look how rusty your frame is already!

My friend who moved to NZ tells me even 20 years old cars there are pretty much rust free.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
Yeah, very likely.  I've posted pictures before of how brake discs on brand new cars show significant rust within 24 hours here.   :ahhh

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Whoey on February 26, 2014, 12:01:42 PM
I saw something about that on one of the auto programs I watch... maybe wheeler dealers?

Seems it's normal for the discs to have surface rust within 24h of not being used, so a car that sits for a while is completely covered  :ahhh but a quick trip around the block and it's all cleared up :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
Yes, it is normal, just we end up getting a lot more rust here than many other places.  Within 24 hours the entire disc can be orange here, while in most places you just start getting spots.

The joys of living near the ocean.... :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 15, 2014, 03:44:07 PM
As of this morning my trailer is finally mine and legal.  To make this happen it has now more than doubled the initial cost of buying the trailer, but it's all done finally.

Unfortunately I can't finish my kayak rack for a few days yet as a friend of mine has already borrowed it.

It's true - not everyone needs a utility trailer but everyone needs a friend with a utility trailer!

Def

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Cupboard on April 15, 2014, 09:37:24 PM
If you're a trailer reversing novice, you'll find it easier to start with your TJ because it's got a shorter wheelbase so you'll get a better lock when you cock it up. Also, if you can't see your trailer in your mirrors, fits some deely-boppers to it so you have something to aim for. Finally, if you're trying to go backwards set yourself up going the correct direction forwards first. It's much easier to do minor adjustments than to have to start by un-jacknifing the whole arrangement.

My trailer reversing skills still aren't great (much to the amusement of everyone else at work) but they're substantially improved over two years ago. I can now happily reverse back along a road and usually get a trailer round in one shunt so long as no one is watching  :D

Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on April 15, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
What I tell people learning to backup a trailer is, if you want your trailer to go left, put your hands on the bottom of the steering wheel and move them left.  Same for going right.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Cupboard on April 15, 2014, 10:37:16 PM
Oh, I don't really think about my hands at all. Most of the vehicles I have to reverse things with have a steering wheel knob which is handy.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: RT1969 on April 15, 2014, 11:56:32 PM
I actually had to take driving lessons for trailers. And learn how to back up around corners etc. That was pretty intense for someone who learned to drive 2 weeks ago  ;)

And now I haven't really driven a trailer for years, only one time per year or so. And everytime it's like learning it anew....  :poh:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on April 16, 2014, 12:15:57 AM
I've been driving with trailers for as long as I can remember.  When I was young, I use to drive my Grandfathers ride on lawnmower around with a small trailer attached, and that's how I learned.


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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 16, 2014, 12:35:28 AM
I am a novice backing up a trailer but I have done it twice now- successful both times and one of those times was in a crowded parking lot.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 04, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
I see it has been a bit since I updated this thread.  Not really a long time, but I have done a fair bit to the trailer since then.  Also it seems like I haven't posted a picture in a long while!  Here's what it looked like when I bought it:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/969302_10153164863350441_315715279_n.jpg)

Here's what it looks like right now.

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46729.0;attach=122213;image)

(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=46729.0;attach=122215;image)

I spent $500 to buy it and have put a good chunk more money and effort into it.  Starting at the front, I replaced the coupler (bit that fits on the ball) because it jumped off the ball when I was taking it in for the safety check and ran into a railroad track, denting the coupler so it would no longer fit on a ball.   ::)

That cost a lot once you factor in cutting off the old coupler (welded on) and welding on a new coupler, plus the cost of a tow truck to get it to the trailer shop to have the work done on it.  While there I also put new chains on it, new reflectors, upgraded the lighting to LED lights (less hassle) and had a few other things upgraded on it.  That was about $350 all told, plus $100 for the tow truck.

I also added a wheel jack on the tongue to keep the coupler off the ground and make it easier to hitch up.

Since I don't have a motorbike I cut out the bracket in the front that held the front tire of a bike.  I'll probably replace the deck next year since it's ok at the moment and I have some dirty landscaping jobs for it this summer.   >:D

I also bolted 1" squared aluminum pipe across the top to hold my kayak J racks.  With these cross bars and enough J racks I can comfortably carry four kayaks on racks with one to two more inside the trailer, depending on the size of them.

You'll also notice the yellow deely boppers I attached to the back.  I can't actually see the trailer when I'm pulling it as it is too low and hidden by my spare tire and too narrow to be seen in my wing mirrors.  Adding these means I can see the trailer in all my mirrors now.  If you don't know what deely boppers are, you must have been absent in the 80's.
 
(http://www.allaboutyou.com/cm/allaboutyou/images/5h/08%20deelyboppers300-25571903.jpg)

The other main problem I had with this trailer was some rust on one of the fenders.  It was just surface rust where it had been dripped on at the previous owners' place.  The drips eventually wore away the paint and the metal started to rust.  It wasn't serious, just surface rust, but I figured I'd fix it anyway.  I also decided to increase the visibility at the same time, so I got bright yellow anti rust paint and used my angle grinder with a wire brush attachment to clean off the old black paint and bring it down to bare metal.  Then I sprayed on a very uneven coat of yellow anti rust paint that I will even out a bit later if the weather holds long enough.

Given how easily a trailer can be stolen and re-registered in this province (ie legally stolen) I figured I'd make it a bit distinctive too with the yellow.

Between the distinctiveness of the fenders, the lock on the coupler and the geographic and canine issues trying to steal it, I imagine thieves will just go elsewhere.  :D

By the way, I had three kayaks and all the gear that goes with them in it yesterday and it hauled very nicely!  :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Whoey on May 04, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
looks good, should match the old jeep pretty closely?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 04, 2014, 09:56:22 PM
Different shade of yellow, but yeah, the yellow and black color scheme does seem familiar.  :D

It started to rain- I'm hoping the paint mostly dried before it did.  Either that or I'll have to get the grinder out again in a few days.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 05, 2014, 12:13:17 AM
Certainly looks the part mate :)

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: WhichDawg on May 05, 2014, 12:36:29 AM
very nice! we called them deely boppers "curve feelers" I think or whiskers (our joke was clumsy people should have them on when walking)

can you "etch" engrave your personal info (any numbers/letters etc) somewhere on it that is hard to find unless you know where to look? just wondering ;)
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 05, 2014, 01:39:49 AM
I could and I've thought of that as well, but there are a few other, easier to steal and less distinctive trailers in my neighborhood so I imagine mine is pretty safe already. 

Besides, I have this thread as reference in case I need it, plus I'm insured.  :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 06, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
It looks like the rain didn't hurt the coat of paint I put on it, but I'll still have to wait for another decent day to apply another coat.

Hopefully the rain didn't penetrate the first coat and start some more rust or I'll have to start all over again.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 12:56:04 PM
Unfortunately the yellow paint didn't last too well.  Countless stone chips are starting to cause rust to set in and I figured I'd better do something about it before it's too late.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152807_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps8zz2x28l.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152807_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps8zz2x28l.jpg.html)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152800_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsx2eoggnk.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152800_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsx2eoggnk.jpg.html)

As you can see, it is quite a mess, so out came the angle grinder and wire wheel again and I took it down to bare metal again.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152029_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsco7lyjs7.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_152029_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsco7lyjs7.jpg.html)

I only wish I had the time right now to do the whole body of the trailer and not just the fenders, but I only have so much time before I move and this was the biggest priority.  I picked up some spray in bedliner for pickup trucks and I figure that should stand up to more punishment than the basic Tremclad did.  Unfortunately all that was available was black bedliner.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_161716_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsd6dtu8al.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_161716_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsd6dtu8al.jpg.html)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_161702_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps2lubpb2z.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_161702_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps2lubpb2z.jpg.html)

So now my trailer isn't quite as distinctive looking as it was, but at least the metal should be somewhat safer from rust now.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_165719_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps4cv9wcxf.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_165719_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps4cv9wcxf.jpg.html)

My marker lights haven't fared much better than the yellow paint, so I purchased new LED lights on eBay- I got ten for less than I could get one for locally, so I'll probably wire those in today.

As I said, I'd really hoped to be able to strip the whole thing, paint all the metal with bedliner, replace the deck etc this year, but I don't see any of that happening as I have no place to work on it when I get to Ottawa, so I'm limited to whatever I can do here and now.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
Oops, forgot the final product, at least for now.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_163219_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsjdfypg0r.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_163219_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsjdfypg0r.jpg.html)

I plan to somehow fabricate a mount for the spare tire on the outside of the bed so I can reclaim the space it takes up on the inside. 

(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/2000x2000/418/41867_2000x2000.jpg)

I'm also thinking that a tool box may find it's way onto the trailer too if I can find one for a reasonable enough price.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on April 28, 2016, 01:13:15 PM
Princess Auto sells a tire mount that should do what you need. 

http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/heavy-duty-spare-tire-trailer-mount/A-p8112575e
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 01:20:39 PM
Princess Auto sells a tire mount that should do what you need. 

http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/heavy-duty-spare-tire-trailer-mount/A-p8112575e

Thanks, I think that one mounts on the tongue though and I'm not sure I can do that.  With the folding jack stand and the giant spare tire on the back of the Jeep there's not really a lot of space to mount things on the tongue any more.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on April 28, 2016, 01:50:49 PM
Weld a bolt on top of one of the sides. In front or back of the wheel well. Then stick the tire on and tighten the nut. Tire will be on the outside and it will cost you all most nothing.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 03:41:16 PM
That's pretty much what I'd planned.  I thought about making an A frame that would attach inside the bed and hold the bolts whole they poke through the grate, and I could attach the wheel to that.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on April 28, 2016, 03:48:30 PM
That would work nicely too.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
Another project for another time......  I am going to miss my power tools when I move!  :P

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on April 28, 2016, 03:58:28 PM
Didn't you take them with you?

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 04:00:34 PM
I'll be taking a drill and my hand tools.  I don't have a garage or any place to put my various saws, grinders, sanders etc so they will have to stay here for now.

Our place in Ottawa is small and there's barely enough outdoors space for my Jeep.  No garage, no basement space etc.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on April 28, 2016, 04:16:00 PM
Bummer. Hopefully you two can find a bigger place later.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: dks on April 28, 2016, 04:18:23 PM
...so they can become more   >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 04:28:57 PM
We are looking at cottages.

But I should probably get a job at some point.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Whoey on April 28, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
since it's black now maybe I need to do a batch of white Lamontagne logos... or a stencil so you can spray it whatever colour you want?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 08:48:45 PM
Silly wiring question....

The incandescent lights I am taking off were wired up with only one wire.  There was a white wire connected to the light, and a black wire that was cut off pretty far back on one side of the trailer, and no black wire (seemingly) on the other side of the trailer.

I'm not very good when it comes to electricity, but don't you need two wires to create a circuit to make things light up?

Any help on sorting this would be appreciated...

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Whoey on April 28, 2016, 09:28:38 PM
grounded to the frame?
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 28, 2016, 09:34:52 PM
Maybe- don't I need a positive and negative to make a circuit?

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on April 28, 2016, 10:45:47 PM
You do, but if it's grounded to the frame either via a mounting screw, or wire, that will make the circuit.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on April 28, 2016, 10:48:32 PM
The mounting screw on the right should be what's giving you a ground.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_165719_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps4cv9wcxf.jpg) (http://s253.photobucket.com/user/Multitooldotorg/media/Personal/Trailer/20160427_165719_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zps4cv9wcxf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 29, 2016, 01:57:59 AM
I figured that..... but I assume the yellow  wire from the light connects to the existing wire and the black just grounds out to the frame?

That doesn't sound right?

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on April 29, 2016, 01:07:26 PM
Yes. Also the mounting bolt on the right is the ground. The black is a ground but is not really needed but double grounding is nice and makes sure you get good connection. Also you would use the black wire if the light was mount on something non metallic, say like a plastic faring or a nose clip.
Did that help any?

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on April 29, 2016, 02:13:55 PM
The confirmation of what to do is very helpful, thanks.  My understanding of electricity however, which has always been dangerously slim, has just taken a large step backwards.  :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 15, 2017, 10:11:44 PM
I got my utility trailer back today- the landlord has been storing it at his cottage for the winter, and he has been using it for the weekend, and just returned it today.

I can see it has taken a few hits over the winter, so, as I am planning to take it for an 8 hour (each way) drive this week to go get my boats, I figured I'd better put some time into fixing it up a bit.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%282%29.jpg?m=1494877861)

The first thing I had to do was fix my wheel jack.  The brackets holding it on to the tongue had both been bent- you can see one that I'd already straightened before realizing I should be taking pics.   :facepalm:

Both were bent as badly as the bent one in the photo, and I wasn't sure how to go about straightening them.  I could have beat them with a hammer, or I could have pressed one of our camp stoves into service to heat the metal, but it occurred to me that I could use the rail on the trailer, the bolts used to hold the wheel jack on the tongue and a little thing called mechanical advantage.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%283%29.jpg?m=1494878063)

By running one bolt through the most arched point of the bracket, and all the way through the trailer rail and attaching a nut, then a second bolt through another hole to keep it straight I then used my ratchet to turn the nut and pull the bracket to more or less straight again.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%281%29.jpg?m=1494878276)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%284%29.jpg?m=1494878094)

In the end I think it made a very significant difference.  :D

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%285%29.jpg?m=1494877859)

Here it is all put back together again!

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%286%29.jpg?m=1494877876)

While taking the jack apart at first I noticed another, much more important job would also need to be done- one of the wires from the harness wasn't actually leading anywhere.  I know very little about electricity, but I'm pretty sure that low voltage wires like this one have to be connected to something in order to work.   :facepalm:

Out came the SOG Sync I, a roll of electrical tape and a roll of silicone stretch and hold tape.  I have to say, I know this is blasphemous in this crowd, but I love this stuff more than duct tape.   :ahhh

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%288%29.jpg?m=1494877881)

The great thing about wiring this harness (I wired it in a couple of years ago) is that it is nice and simple- you simply match the colors.  In this case it was even simpler, as there was only one wire not leading anywhere.  The Sync I made short work of the stretch and hold tape I used last time, as well as the electrical tape that was holding a dead end on the wire, which should come as no surprise as SOG seems to always do an amazing job of sharpening things to the point where they are just dangerous to hold, let alone use.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%289%29.jpg?m=1494878875)

It didn't take much to reconnect the wires, then I wrapped them in electrical tape, and then wrapped the whole thing back up in stretch and hold tape, which should keep the weather out for at least another couple of years.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%2810%29.jpg?m=1494877878)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Trailer%20%2811%29.jpg?m=1494877890)

And that's about it- the trailer is ready to go again.  I am maybe going to try and paint it this year as it's pretty scuffed up, but overall it's in great shape and I am glad to have it back, even if it takes up my one and only parking spot.   :facepalm:

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: MusicMen on May 15, 2017, 11:52:25 PM
Def, the brackets on the stand would not bend as easy if they were on the other way with the rails aganist the tongue. You have to bend twice as much metal that way.   :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 16, 2017, 12:12:14 AM
Yes but then there would be less contact with the tongue and it might slip a bit more.

What I figure I need are some blocks of wood to fill the large gaps between the tongue and where the bolts are.  I hate bolting something that is bolted that far away from the piece it is supposed to be attached to.

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on May 16, 2017, 12:27:28 AM
Nice work, however, two things.
1. The duct tape comment
2. Why don't you have a miners wrench?
 :D Just messing with ya boss.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 16, 2017, 02:02:09 AM
I had a feeling that you wouldn't like the duct tape comment, but I love that silicone tape and I use it everywhere.

As for the miner's wrench, what's the difference between that and the big adjustable wrench in the background of the pics?

I also have pipe wrenches if you think I need to go bigger.  :D

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: ducttapetech on May 16, 2017, 02:54:22 AM
Miner's  wrench has a Precision thumb detector on it.  :D
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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 16, 2017, 03:15:44 AM
I just use the big head on that adjustable as a thumb detector. 

It is more effective than I'd like to admit.   :ahhh

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Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 17, 2017, 11:58:56 PM
It seems that there was more wrong with my trailer than I thought.  I will need to replace the wiring harness for it and I have used my last spare tail light cover.  It seems like every time someone borrows it is need to replace a tail lights cover.  :facepalm:

I had bought them in bulk..... guess I'll see if I can find less obtrusive tail lights for it.

I already have a new harness on order.

Worst part is, I can't really get annoyed with the guy who was borrowing it as he let's me store it at his cabin for free, when it would cost at least $30/month otherwise.  :facepalm:

Plus, when you look at the way he treats his car, the relatively minor damage to my trailer makes me wonder if this is his version of babying something.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 24, 2017, 09:38:00 PM
I took my trailer out yesterday and the lights still didn't work- I am guessing it is the terrible old harness, so I went to Princess Auto today to buy a new harness and get rid of any leftover weak links.  I completely rewired the trailer a couple of weeks ago and had to use a nasty old harness that I took out of the old wiring, so I am not surprised it has issues.

While I was at Princess Auto I spotted something I have been wanting or some time- a spare tire carrier.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Spare%20%281%29.jpg?m=1508872934)

It was all of about $35, I I believe it is the same one that Derek linked to earlier in this thread:

Princess Auto sells a tire mount that should do what you need. 

http://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/heavy-duty-spare-tire-trailer-mount/A-p8112575e

As you can see, the spare used to be inside the bed, taking up space, and held there by bungee cords..

(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/Trailer/20160427_163219_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker_zpsjdfypg0r.jpg)

It's not often that I need the full interior space of the trailer, but when I do I find the spare tire to be a complete pain in the butt.  I have wanted to move it outside of the bed for some time, and I finally have.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Spare%20%283%29.jpg?m=1508872898)

I am not really a huge fan of where it is now, but until I can get my hands on a more powerful drill (I only have a small Black & Decker cordless drill at the moment) I am going to have to deal with it being mounted on the tongue.  My plan is to eventually have it mounted on the bed frame, preferably on one side or the other.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Spare%20%282%29.jpg?m=1508872900)

You can see that it mounts with the same kind of setup as the wheel jack does.  I initially thought I might do away with the small rails it bolts into and attach it opposite the wheel jack, using the same bolts, but the spacing on them is nowhere near the same, so it had to go by itself.

The replacement coupler needs to go straight down on the ball, which is something it can't really do with the Jeep's spare in the way, so I may have to move this spare to open the Jeep's back door when attaching it, or I'll have to buy a hitch that drops even more.  I already have a 3 1/2" drop and I don't really want to go any lower.... especially since the next size is 5" which I think may put my trailer lower than I'd like.

Of course, as soon as I can get access to a powerful enough drill my plan is to use the top set of holes on the spare mount and run those through the upper frame of the trailer, then bolt the others to the grillework, probably just over one of the vertical parts of the frame for extra stability.  This is probably more work I will do in the spring at my father's place, unless I can get back to Halifax in the meantime to pick up my own drill.

Either way, it gets the spare out of the way for now, which was the ultimate goal.  :D

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 24, 2017, 09:41:33 PM
This is likely where I am going to end up mounting the spare tire.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Syncop8r on October 24, 2017, 10:34:47 PM
I imagined it was going to go on the outside of the old location...

Next you need to attach an ammo box to store tie-down rope, straps etc.  :pok:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Syncop8r on October 24, 2017, 10:46:28 PM
If on the side I would have it on the non-road side, the less time spent close to traffic when accessing it the better.
Also might be better lower down so if you ever want to transport something big and flat on top of the cage it won't be in the way.
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: derekmac on October 24, 2017, 10:49:00 PM
Looks good!  :tu:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 25, 2017, 12:39:23 AM
If on the side I would have it on the non-road side, the less time spent close to traffic when accessing it the better.
Also might be better lower down so if you ever want to transport something big and flat on top of the cage it won't be in the way.

Lower down was a thought but then I don't think it would be mounted as solidly as it would on the top of the frame.  I had considered flipping it upside down so it angled downward though, and therefore would be sticking up as little as possible.

And yes, I will put it on the passenger side to keep me out of traffic as much as possible.  I have very little desire to get squashed while changing a tire!

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 25, 2017, 12:42:48 AM
I imagined it was going to go on the outside of the old location...

Next you need to attach an ammo box to store tie-down rope, straps etc.  :pok:

I don't want to put it on the front as it is a tilt deck and the further forward it is the more weight I have to contend with when tilting the trailer.  Plus with the Jeep spare on the back and the boats overhanging it, it would be more awkward to get to when needed.

And yes, I do want to (eventually) put a tool box on the front.  I would like a sizeable one to put a jack, some jack stands, a tire iron, maybe a compressor and a small shovel (Maybe my Cold Steel one) and a few other things.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Syncop8r on October 25, 2017, 01:18:51 AM
I imagined it was going to go on the outside of the old location...
I don't want to put it on the front as it is a tilt deck and the further forward it is the more weight I have to contend with when tilting the trailer.  Plus with the Jeep spare on the back and the boats overhanging it, it would be more awkward to get to when needed.
OK, I will allow that then.  ;)

And yes, I do want to (eventually) put a tool box on the front.  I would like a sizeable one to put a jack, some jack stands, a tire iron, maybe a compressor and a small shovel (Maybe my Cold Steel one) and a few other things.
Sounds like you need another trailer just to carry all that.  :pok:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: jzmtl on October 25, 2017, 02:24:10 AM
You could always install a hitch at back of the trailer, and tow another smaller one behind it!  :D
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 25, 2017, 12:50:57 PM
I imagined it was going to go on the outside of the old location...
I don't want to put it on the front as it is a tilt deck and the further forward it is the more weight I have to contend with when tilting the trailer.  Plus with the Jeep spare on the back and the boats overhanging it, it would be more awkward to get to when needed.
OK, I will allow that then.  ;)

And yes, I do want to (eventually) put a tool box on the front.  I would like a sizeable one to put a jack, some jack stands, a tire iron, maybe a compressor and a small shovel (Maybe my Cold Steel one) and a few other things.
Sounds like you need another trailer just to carry all that.  :pok:

I just need one of these, preferably one that doesn't cost $600....  :facepalm:

(https://www.pickupspecialties.com/toolboxes/Unique/Chest.jpg)

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Syncop8r on October 25, 2017, 01:12:04 PM
Not the ones I was thinking of (probably too narrow) but http://www.herooutdoors.com/nato-40mm-l-70-beaufort-ammo-can/
My friend has just the standard .50cal box welded to the drawbar. http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/ammo-cans-storage-containers/50-cal-ammo-box-grade-2.html
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 25, 2017, 03:07:04 PM
Those are indeed nice, but I want to put farm jack in it and some jack stands.  The stands are probably about 10" square on the base and the jack is roughly 40" high.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on October 25, 2017, 03:26:59 PM
I'm a bit surprised to see the towbar on your trailer, locally trailers will have a triangular towbar or a  combination of something like yours with supports from the outside corners of the trailer to just before the hitch  :think:

Quite frankly, I would be nervous loading my toys in that trailer!  :ahhh
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 25, 2017, 04:09:45 PM
I don't.  I have loaded well over a thousand pounds in this thing and had only one serious issue with it.  Now with the thicker metal tongue I doubt I will have that issue again. 

I have the kind of triangular tongue on my camper but I see lots of straight tongues like this one on trailers that are heavier than mine.  Of course, if I had access to welding equipment I think I'd probably beef it up some because that's just something I like to do.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 22, 2018, 04:33:09 PM
I've made a few changes to my trailer lately.  First off, I have added the spare tire carrier that I mentioned above, and upgraded the wheel jack to a more useful one.  A few months ago I also picked up and older Thule cargo box and spent a fair bit of time refurbishing it.  I've put wider crossbars on the trailer and mounted the boats on the outboard sides of the bed, while the Thule box sits in the middle.  The Thule box is a 250L model originally imported in the 80's for skis, but it does a great job of holding all of my kayak gear, including sprayskirts, paddles, safety kits, pfd's, carts and other stuff.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Boat%20Carrier%20%281%29.jpg?m=1526998039)

It all fits together nicely and tows pretty much the same as it did before.  I thought with the boats sitting wider that they may catch the wind a bit more, but so far I haven't noticed any differences.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Boat%20Carrier%20%282%29.jpg?m=1526998039)

I think I will have to set the cross bars back a bit more as the big boat (pink one :P) sticks forward a bit too much and actually scratched the fiberglass top of my Jeep the other day while I was trying to turn too tightly to get out of a parking lot.   :facepalm:

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Boat%20Carrier%20%283%29.jpg?m=1526998039)

Last summer I ripped out all of the existing wiring since it had been damaged in the infamous Day From Hell (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,73226.0.html) and rather than continue to patch it up I just redid it from scratch.  I also made sure to run the new wiring through ABS conduit to make sure it is protected in the future.

I used to have a big Rubbermaid bin that I kept my kayak stuff in, but not everything fit in it.  The Thule box isn't much bigger than the Rubbermaid bin but it is a better configuration and everything fits into it much better.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Thule02.jpg?m=1526998794)

In fact, it is long enough that I could (theoretically) carry some of my paddles assembled, but I really don't see any need to do that.  Instead I have them disassembled, with all of the blades in the most forward section of the box, so they don't come in contact with anything that might chip, crack or break them.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Thule.jpg?m=1526998794)

Also, unlike the Rubbermaid bin, the Thule box locks and is bolted on, so I feel a bit safer leaving things like my expensive paddles in it, knowing they should be relatively safe.  Yes, they can still be stolen, but it will take some effort. 

The worst part is, everything fits so well into the Thule box that I feel like I am forgetting things- with the old setup I would put the box on the trailer, then get the paddles, then get the carts etc.  Now it is all there and I can't help but feel like I have left something behind!   :ahhh

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: SteveC on May 22, 2018, 08:30:52 PM
Nice set up !    :tu:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 22, 2018, 10:15:42 PM
Thanks!

The Thule boxes are super expensive to buy new but this 30 year old model was listed locally for $100 so I decided to give it a try.  I wasn't 100% sure this was the setup that I wanted to go with, but I really wanted to see if it worked.  The box is difficult to access with the boats on, but that's not too big a deal because it's only boat stuff in it.  The blue Rubbermaid bin you see on the trailer has straps, cargo nets and other general trailer stuff in it and is easily accessible.

The box has two locking latches, both keyed alike.  The box came with one key, which I almost immediately broke off when bringing the box home.  It cost another $60 for a local locksmith to service the locks, cut two new keys and remove the old key fragment, but it was well worth it- the locks are as ultra smooth as they day they were made! 

I used Mr Clean Magic Erasers on the outside of the box and removed the Thule stickers that were cracked and torn and falling off.  The plastic looks like brand new now, not the 30+ year old plastic it really is.  I thought about painting it, but it came out so nice that I didn't feel I needed to.

I'll post pics of the process as soon as I find them.... I have no doubt that if I decide I don't like it I'll be able to get more back from it than I put into It, so thats always a good feel8ng!

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Syncop8r on May 23, 2018, 02:49:59 PM
This might be a dumb question... but why not have the kayaks pointing 'in' rather than 'out'?  :think:
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on May 24, 2018, 02:01:08 AM
I have considered that, but there are two problems with doing it that way.

1- with the kayaks pointed out I can see the tips of them.  They have a bit of a curve to them and if they were the other way around I would t know where they were.

2-  the J racks are longer on the "back" side and so I would have to lift the boats over to seat them in.  Also then I would have to climb into the trailer to secure the straps that hold them in place.

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: gregozedobe on May 24, 2018, 04:14:21 AM
This might be a dumb question... but why not have the kayaks pointing 'in' rather than 'out'?  :think:

Oops, asked and answered (but the answer was on the next page so I didn't see it before I responded).
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 02, 2018, 08:36:05 PM
I did some very important work on the cargo box today.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Rear.jpg?m=1527964381)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Reveal.jpg?m=1527964381)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Final.jpg?m=1527964381)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Front_Close.jpg?m=1527964381)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Front.jpg?m=1527964381)

That feels better!  :D

Def
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: dks on June 09, 2018, 08:39:50 PM
They should pay you for advertising.....
Title: Re: The multitool of the automotive world!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on September 09, 2018, 11:14:42 PM
I made a startling discovery a few days ago.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%286%29.jpg?m=1536525278)

On the side of the tire, where it says NOT FOR HIGHWAY USE they really mean it.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%282%29.jpg?m=1536525277)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%281%29.jpg?m=1536525277)

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%284%29.jpg?m=1536525277)

Minutes after I got on the highway last week a white F-150 pulled up next to me and wound down his window, yelling something I couldn't hear while pointing at the trailer and pointing down.  I knew something was wrong, so I waved a thank you and pulled off at the next exit to find that my wheel jack was still down.  The wheel was just barely touching the ground, but obviously it was down enough, and the wheel, as you can see, looks like it was shredded.  It was split, worn out and popped all at once, and the hub was also separated.  :facepalm:

Out came my trusty bottle jack/jack stand combo to lift the tongue of the trailer while I removed the wheel.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%283%29.jpg?m=1536525277)

I like this jack because it will actually go high enough to lift my Jeep, and is strong enough to lift my Jeep and has a bolt built into it that allows it to work as a jack stand as well.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%289%29.jpg?m=1536525279)

The wheel was easy enough to remove- it was just a single long bolt, which came off nicely with an adjustable wrench and a 15/16ths" ratchet. 

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%287%29.jpg?m=1536525278)

I figured I'd better replace it as it doesn't move so well when it's in pieces, and luckily the store that I got the jack from had replacements, probably because I am not the first person to have done this.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%285%29.jpg?m=1536525278)

I was impressed that the bearings were still intact, given the devastation of the rest of the wheel, and when I went to take a photo, they fell out right in my hand.   :facepalm:

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%288%29.jpg?m=1536525279)

And the bearings weren't the only parts coming off in my hands!   :ahhh

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%2810%29.jpg?m=1536525279)

The new wheel is actually slightly larger than the original, but it fits in the jack well enough, and really, the wheel isn't (normally) used for much other than shifting the trailer a few meters at most, so it doesn't need to be absolutely perfect.  It rubs a bit, but not a huge amount, and I doubt it will for long.  It isn't actually as much larger as it appears in the photo- the original is somewhat worn down, and under the new one, making the size look very different.

(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Defventures/Trailer/Wheeljack%20%2811%29.jpg?m=1536525279)

New wheel installed, and showing where it rubs slightly.  There's a good possibility that the bolt was bent sightly as the wheel only touches at certain points in it's rotation, but in the end it cost me $13 to fix, and I'm ok with it because, as I said, it doesn't need to go far.

My stupidity has cost me a lot more than $13 in the past, so I'm happy.  :D

Def