Post by: DaveK on September 28, 2008, 06:57:22 PM
Pretty obvious I know, but that's a Core above, and a Super Tool 200 below:
(http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e10/DaveK-ToolPics/20080928web6.jpg)
Interestingly, the number is actually engraved on the Core, and you can see that the crow's foot is actually complete. Whereas on the ST200, the number seems to be almost "transferred" on, the crow's foot is simply a "^" and it's starting to wear already!
I bough the Core used, from a British squadie, but the ST200 came from ebay, so I've no idea where that was intended to be issued.
Post by: Dunc on September 28, 2008, 09:38:56 PM
Multimats rather nice Australian Army Swisstool reads 5110-25-1475018 also with the broad arrow so I would say it doesnt necessarily meen yours are British although you bought one from a squaddie so that one obviously is .I suppose Canadien military stamp theres with the broad arrow too ?
Thanks for sharing Dave
Dunc
Post by: DaveK on September 28, 2008, 09:52:08 PM
On the Core, it's actually stamped into the metal - quite deeply afterwards.
I used to collect stop watches, and I have a few with the crow's foot on them too! [/ irrelevant]
Post by: Dunc on September 28, 2008, 09:57:57 PM
Dunc
Post by: DaveK on September 28, 2008, 10:43:39 PM
I might sign up and add some details to it when I've got a minute. Quite a useful site!
Post by: J-sews on September 29, 2008, 04:19:31 AM
Not sure when I'll get to it, but do you mind if your picture gets used in a future Multitool Encyclopedia article?
Post by: DaveK on September 29, 2008, 01:18:59 PM
Interesting stuff Dave, thanks for posting. :cheers:
Not sure when I'll get to it, but do you mind if your picture gets used in a future Multitool Encyclopedia article?
Not at all Bob - help yourself!
Post by: Dunc on September 29, 2008, 05:41:28 PM
Dunc
Post by: Dunc on January 27, 2009, 07:24:22 PM
Loads of pics to come later but for now I found this little snippet ...
http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Leatherman
Dunc
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 27, 2009, 07:37:54 PM
Def
Post by: cryptrick on January 27, 2009, 07:41:52 PM
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/cryptrick/core_number.jpg)
Post by: DaveK on January 27, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
Looks like my NATO one has the same number as yours :)
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd137/cryptrick/core_number.jpg)
Yup, I have another just like it - they should be the same!
Good site that Dunc btw - very funny comment.
Post by: Dunc on January 28, 2009, 08:16:17 PM
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN001.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN003.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN004.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN005.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN006.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN008.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN009.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN010.jpg)
And heres my other two British military knives
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/album1/CoreN012.jpg)
Dunc
Post by: DaveK on January 28, 2009, 08:33:46 PM
That tool has taken some serious abuse from me, and even still looks pretty. Better than a Surge :angel:
Great pics Dunc
Post by: BIG-TARGET on January 30, 2009, 12:41:47 AM
Great stuff Dave :D Your a lucky guy :D I know the 5110 meens hand tools , but why doesnt my RAF Vic Hunter start with that :think: No wait my vic hunter should have 5110 on it but it isnt the whole Nato stock number but rather the Section/Reference number, So my Vic says 27C/7018504 on the blade but the NSN is 5110-99-701-8504. They aren't RAF or they would be pre-fixed by 27C/
Multimats rather nice Australian Army Swisstool reads 5110-25-1475018 also with the broad arrow so I would say it doesnt necessarily meen yours are British although you bought one from a squaddie so that one obviously is .I suppose Canadien military stamp theres with the broad arrow too ?
Thanks for sharing Dave
Dunc
Correct me if I'm Wrong, but isn't the "^" also used by former british colonies/protectorates? :think:
Post by: DaveK on January 30, 2009, 01:54:39 AM
Correct me if I'm Wrong, but isn't the "^" also used by former british colonies/protectorates? :think:
I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Although the empire is long gone, there is the Commonwealth and in most cases the armed forces of Commonwealth countries still follow the same military protocols and traditions as they did under British rule. I wouldn't be surprised at all therefore if the administrative systems etc were still similar or even the same today.
If you ever watch for example an Indian military ceremony, the similarity to what you see going on outside Buckingham Palace is quite stunning. It's like the Brits quietly slipped out whilst they weren't looking, and they've carried on like nothing changed! During the last Gulf war, I noticed several reports that showed how Saddam's Iraqi armed forces still followed the British "model". Almost surreal really.
I guess it's a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Post by: DaveK on October 06, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
So I have two again now Dunc :D
Post by: Dunc on October 06, 2009, 11:37:44 PM
I received another Core from Nuphoria today as part of a trade, and it too has the NATO markings as in the op.
So I have two again now Dunc :D
:drool: :drool: :drool: Dunc runs around house trying to find something to trade :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Dunc
Post by: jim guy on October 06, 2009, 11:39:42 PM
Post by: DaveK on October 06, 2009, 11:40:15 PM
Did you part with it?
Post by: AHB on October 06, 2009, 11:41:32 PM
I received another Core from Nuphoria today as part of a trade, and it too has the NATO markings as in the op.Sweet... :tu:
So I have two again now Dunc :D
Post by: Dunc on October 06, 2009, 11:45:35 PM
Hang on Dunc - you've already got one? ???
Did you part with it?
Oh no its safe with me :D I just want another in as new condition :D
Dunc
Post by: DaveK on October 06, 2009, 11:46:30 PM
PM me an offer ;)
Post by: 1jump2many on October 07, 2009, 05:46:24 AM
1Jump2Many
Post by: jim guy on October 07, 2009, 05:50:22 AM
Which NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
Post by: Dunc on October 07, 2009, 07:35:04 AM
Dunc
Post by: scrappy on October 07, 2009, 07:47:28 AM
Post by: 1jump2many on October 07, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
Which NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
A good friend of mine I was stationed with at one of my assignments left that assignment and did a 1 year remote to Turkey and then went right back to the same place we had been stationed together. They issued him a Gerber MT too. But I think that was just that particular unit. I don't know what model Gerber it was.
1Jump2Many
Post by: jim guy on October 07, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
im not up on gebers so i dont know their model numbers, mine is a standard needle nose black oxide modelWhich NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
A good friend of mine I was stationed with at one of my assignments left that assignment and did a 1 year remote to Turkey and then went right back to the same place we had been stationed together. They issued him a Gerber MT too. But I think that was just that particular unit. I don't know what model Gerber it was.
1Jump2Many
Post by: Zack on October 07, 2009, 03:30:22 PM
im not up on gebers so i dont know their model numbers, mine is a standard needle nose black oxide modelWhich NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
Probably the MP600.
A good friend of mine I was stationed with at one of my assignments left that assignment and did a 1 year remote to Turkey and then went right back to the same place we had been stationed together. They issued him a Gerber MT too. But I think that was just that particular unit. I don't know what model Gerber it was.
1Jump2Many
Post by: 1jump2many on October 07, 2009, 08:11:44 PM
im not up on gebers so i dont know their model numbers, mine is a standard needle nose black oxide modelWhich NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
A good friend of mine I was stationed with at one of my assignments left that assignment and did a 1 year remote to Turkey and then went right back to the same place we had been stationed together. They issued him a Gerber MT too. But I think that was just that particular unit. I don't know what model Gerber it was.
1Jump2Many
Gerber is my least favorite MT, I only own a couple. I don't know the different models either. It was a bit of a coincidence that you mentioned your wife being issued the Gerber. I was talking to my buddy on the phone a couple weeks back. I mentioned that I bought a Leatherman 300. He knows nothing about MT's of any kind and calls all MT's, Leatherman's. Like adhesive strips are called Band-Aid. That was when he mentioned he was issued one in the unit we were stationed together in. He did two tours in that unit, I did one, and it was his second time when they issued the MT's. I asked him to check and see what model it was and that was when he mentioned it was a Gerber and not a Leatherman after all. I'm pretty sure it was just that particular unit though. I never received any issued MT's in any of the units I served in. I would have been nice but............
1Jump2Many
Post by: jim guy on October 07, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
Post by: jim guy on October 07, 2009, 09:58:22 PM
Did they issue you a benchmade auto?im not up on gebers so i dont know their model numbers, mine is a standard needle nose black oxide modelWhich NATO countries issued the Core? I'd never heard of that. You learn something new everyday. I can't imagine the US Military issuing MT's on a large scale though. It would have been nice but when I was in if you wanted something like that you bought it yourself. From what I read on various forums it still seems to be the same. That might change from individual unit to unit though.when my wife was enlisted they issued her a gerber multitool and a benchmade afo, I now have both.
1Jump2Many
A good friend of mine I was stationed with at one of my assignments left that assignment and did a 1 year remote to Turkey and then went right back to the same place we had been stationed together. They issued him a Gerber MT too. But I think that was just that particular unit. I don't know what model Gerber it was.
1Jump2Many
Gerber is my least favorite MT, I only own a couple. I don't know the different models either. It was a bit of a coincidence that you mentioned your wife being issued the Gerber. I was talking to my buddy on the phone a couple weeks back. I mentioned that I bought a Leatherman 300. He knows nothing about MT's of any kind and calls all MT's, Leatherman's. Like adhesive strips are called Band-Aid. That was when he mentioned he was issued one in the unit we were stationed together in. He did two tours in that unit, I did one, and it was his second time when they issued the MT's. I asked him to check and see what model it was and that was when he mentioned it was a Gerber and not a Leatherman after all. I'm pretty sure it was just that particular unit though. I never received any issued MT's in any of the units I served in. I would have been nice but............
1Jump2Many
Post by: 1jump2many on October 08, 2009, 04:32:27 AM
what unit was he in? My wife was in Iraq in 05-06 101st air assault div.
This was many years ago, I was there from 87 - 91. It's a joint Spec Ops unit on MacDill AFB, FL. I was Army, this praticular buddy was Air Force. We had all four branches together in one unit. He did a second tour there after doing a one year remote to Turkey so it was sometime around 92 - 95. It's an Airborne assignment. The only knife they issued us was a small fixed blade knife that I think was a Camillus but I'm not sure anymore. We strapped it to our leg when we jumped in case we needed to cut our risers. Was your wife attached to the 101st or was she active duty?
1Jump2many
Post by: jim guy on October 08, 2009, 06:59:56 AM
active duty :salute:what unit was he in? My wife was in Iraq in 05-06 101st air assault div.
This was many years ago, I was there from 87 - 91. It's a joint Spec Ops unit on MacDill AFB, FL. I was Army, this praticular buddy was Air Force. We had all four branches together in one unit. He did a second tour there after doing a one year remote to Turkey so it was sometime around 92 - 95. It's an Airborne assignment. The only knife they issued us was a small fixed blade knife that I think was a Camillus but I'm not sure anymore. We strapped it to our leg when we jumped in case we needed to cut our risers. Was your wife attached to the 101st or was she active duty?
1Jump2many
Post by: Raoul Octav on April 19, 2019, 05:45:37 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on April 19, 2019, 07:38:01 PM
Post by: JasonMUK on April 20, 2021, 09:29:11 AM
I too have a Supertool 200 with the same markings.
Im still trying to find out what UDT means too.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2KfHkWh/0/X2/i-2KfHkWh-X2.jpg)
Post by: gregozedobe on April 20, 2021, 03:21:16 PM
https://www.nato.int/structur/ac/135/ncs_guide/english/e_1-6-5.htm
https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-01-541-1453
A link to the ISO page for the NATO ST200:
https://www.iso-group.com/NSN/5110-99-573-5003
And of course wikipedia also has some info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_Number
If your head isn't spinning enough, here is the US Defence Logistics Agency view:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Stock_Number
AFAIK the first country that requests a NATO id number for an item sets the number for that tool, so even if another country requests it for issue to their military they use the same NSN number.
Here is a link to an MTo thread about NATO LMs:
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=5671.0
I'm not sure what the UTD means, but I'm led to believe the two digits after that are the year eg 05 = 2005
I think the UTD is a later addition/customisation for the NSN as I have some earlier NATO LMs that don't have the UTDYY stamping, just the NSN.
I have a couple of NATO Cores, one is stamped "^ 5110 01 541 1 453 /!\ UTD 07", the other "^ 5110 01 541 1 453 /!\ UTD 08"
I've seen a couple of reports about NATO ST200s, both were stamped 5110995735003 /!\ UTD06
I hope that helps.
Post by: parnass on April 20, 2021, 10:49:09 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on April 21, 2021, 02:29:17 AM
Great rereading this thread as well :tu: :like:
Post by: Catflem on January 13, 2024, 09:35:46 PM
The NSN is 5120997865309UTD03
(https://i.ibb.co/3p2MhNP/Leathermanmilitary.jpg)
Post by: Poncho65 on January 13, 2024, 10:24:54 PM
Post by: Catflem on January 16, 2024, 11:50:45 AM
Welcome to :MTO: :cheers: Thanks for adding the PST to this thread :tu: :like:
Many thanks.
I have received a message from a forum member about the PST, but as a new member I am not able to reply to it. So if the member is reading this - please accept my apologies for not replying directly to you.
Post by: SteveC on January 16, 2024, 01:53:13 PM
Many thanks.
I have received a message from a forum member about the PST, but as a new member I am not able to reply to it. So if the member is reading this - please accept my apologies for not replying directly to you.
You need more than 5 posts on the forum before you can send a pm. a few more posts and you're good to go :tu:
Post by: Catflem on January 20, 2024, 04:36:31 PM
You need more than 5 posts on the forum before you can send a pm. a few more posts and you're good to go :tu:
:cheers: Things must be far more relaxed on this forum.
On a watch collectors forum I use I would be denounced as a speedposter and they'd have the pitchforks out............... watch collectors can be an unruly mob :D
Post by: genevabuck on January 20, 2024, 06:40:09 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on January 20, 2024, 07:50:37 PM
:cheers: Things must be far more relaxed on this forum.
On a watch collectors forum I use I would be denounced as a speedposter and they'd have the pitchforks out............... watch collectors can be an unruly mob :D
We are relaxed about most things :cheers: only thing we have rules majorly against are politics and religion :salute: just be kind and converse in a respectful manner and we are all good :D
Post by: gregozedobe on January 24, 2024, 05:13:39 AM
I have an OG BO Super Tool with similar type numbers neatly engraved in with a Dremel. I’ll have to find it. Tried to research the numbers and could never find anything. It came out of Florida.
I've never seen an MT with hand engraved (by Dremel or similar) NATO Id numbers. All the Early ones I've seen are machine stamped, while later ones have Laser (machine) engraved NATO numbers. Maybe if you can add a pic of your Og ST handles someone will be able to add more info.
Post by: Legend on January 31, 2024, 04:30:05 AM
Many thanks.That might have been me. Don’t give up hope, but please give up the PST when you’re allowed to reply.
I have received a message from a forum member about the PST, but as a new member I am not able to reply to it. So if the member is reading this - please accept my apologies for not replying directly to you.
Post by: genevabuck on February 08, 2024, 02:55:12 AM
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Post by: gregozedobe on February 08, 2024, 02:00:26 PM
Anyone know what these numbers could be?
I'm not sure. A quick search of SCMP turned up several possibilities:
"Strategic Communication Management Professional"
https://gcccouncil.org/About-GCCC-Certifications
MSE in Scientific Computing (SCMP) program at Penn
https://pics.upenn.edu/masters-science-engineering-scientific-computing/
Specialty Crop Multi-State Program (SCMP)
https://agr.wa.gov/services/grant-opportunities/specialty-crop-multi-state-program
NMMSS Upgrade Project. NAC 135-PL-300A. Software Configuration Management Plan.
And several others.
So possibly something to do with one of the above (or not). The hand done engraving doesn't look anything like an official NATO Id to me.
Post by: Sea Monster on February 10, 2024, 07:16:11 AM
Anyone know what these numbers could be?
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apparently 89 CS is a USAF department?
do you have any history on the item at all?
If it was part of a larger tool kit/equipment set, the individual pieces might have been engraved - serial number of a higher assembly it was supposed to be kept with?