Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 06:58:45 PM
New Multitools: The PowerPlay and Reactor!!!
PowerPlay Multi-Tool
Compact, comfortable, and feature-rich, the PowerPlay packs the most
often used tools into a smaller, pocketable package. Equipped with pliers powered
by SOG’s Compound Leverage, the PowerPlay also includes a straight edge and a
fully serrated blade that can be deployed single-handedly without opening the tool.
When the tool is closed, the top has a centered hex bit driver that’s convenient and comfortable to use while minimizing chances of stripped screw heads. All told, it houses 18 tool components.
Reactor Multi-Tool
Housing a total of 10 components including a hardcased black
coated stainless steel assisted blade and powerful Compound
Leverage geared pliers, the Reactor combines a great folding
knife with fully functional pliers. A quick push of the thumb stud propels the hardcased black coated blade open and ready for action.
The Reactor’s shape fits firmly and securely in a hand. Tucking the blade back
in and flipping the handle gives easy access to the pliers.
MACV Tool
Whether you need to open a bottle, tighten a screw or nut, pry a
staple out, cut fishing line, or touch up a blade on the go, the MacV Tool has what you need. Designed to resemble the original skull from the MACV-SOG group of which
our company is named after, the MacV Tool is a versatile everyday carry, keychain
tool that will prove handy in many situations.
Post by: captain spaulding on November 16, 2015, 07:01:26 PM
With that said. I'm not excited about these at all and hate the look of both. The Reactor looks like a Skeletool knockoff as well.
Post by: sawman on November 16, 2015, 07:04:04 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 07:07:56 PM
Powerplay sports the horrendous Phillips generally found on the worst Chinese made Aliexpress punted multifails found on the market. For me that is a reflection of the rest of the tool.
Reactor sports the single worst example of handle splay I think I've ever seen
.... and the less said about the MACV the better.
When they released the Switchplier 2.0 I thought they were trying to make amends for previous multifails like the Powerduo. Unfortunately this does not appear to be the case :-\
Thanks for flagging these up rdub :tu:
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 07:11:52 PM
At any rate, I am excited to see SOG stepping up to the plate with something new and sort of taking on Gerber and Leatherman a bit. The full size bit driver capability of the two full size tools is huge IMO.
PowerPlay maybe positioned as a Wingman/Sidekick competitor, and as you noted, the Reactor sort of as a Skeletool competitor.
Post by: Gareth on November 16, 2015, 07:22:01 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
With that said. I'm not excited about these at all and hate the look of both. The Reactor looks like a Skeletool knockoff as well.
Knockoff
Edit :doh:
Post by: captain spaulding on November 16, 2015, 07:30:56 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
With that said. I'm not excited about these at all and hate the look of both. The Reactor looks like a Skeletool knockoff as well.
Knockoff is quite the word I'd use. It isn't like it's anything alike other than having a similar tool selection. I'll happily concede it's "designed to compete" though. :D
Obviously I did not mean its a true knockoff of the Skeletool. What I meant was it is obviously designed with influence from the Skeletool.
I am just disappointed as SOG was falling behind in the multitool world and this could of been their chance to even the playing field and actually compete with their competitors with new, innovative tools. I know I jump the gun on judgement, but my intuition is normally correct. I think SOG is blowing their chance to be a true player in the market and at the very least is setting themselves back a year or two in development.
I really wish thier was another big player in the multitool market as Leatherman seems to piss me off at every turn and I am getting really sick of it.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
With that said. I'm not excited about these at all and hate the look of both. The Reactor looks like a Skeletool knockoff as well.
Knockoff is quite the word I'd use. It isn't like it's anything alike other than having a similar tool selection. I'll happily concede it's "designed to compete" though. :D
Obviously I did not mean its a true knockoff of the Skeletool. What I meant was it is obviously designed with influence from the Skeletool.
I am just disappointed as SOG was falling behind in the multitool world and this could of been their chance to even the playing field and actually compete with their competitors with new, innovative tools. I know I jump the gun on judgement, but my intuition is normally correct. I think SOG is blowing their chance to be a true player in the market and at the very least is setting themselves back a year or two in development.
I really wish thier was another big player in the multitool market as Leatherman seems to piss me off at every turn and I am getting really sick of it.
Totally agree! As far as I'm concerned, this is SOG officially giving up making multitools, and just buying in cheap crap they can try and make a few bucks on at the expense of any credibility they have left :(
Post by: dks on November 16, 2015, 07:44:43 PM
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 07:54:14 PM
Price always makes or breaks new products (case in point: Signal on the negative end of the spectrum vs SwitchPlier 2.0 on the positive) so that will be huge for the PowerPlay. However, depending on size (I'm assuming it's in the 4" range) it will create competition for the marvelous and still very affordable Pocket PowerPlier, which can be had for $35-40. I have a hard time believing the PowerPlay will be much cheaper than that.
I think size will be a bigger factor in the Reactor's case. The PowerDuo was never going to be awesome for a multitude of reasons, but the fact that it was bigger than a PowerLock and with a diminished tool set was unforgivable. If the Reactor is the size/weight of a Skeletool and it has a good pocket clip, it can fill a niche. If it's big and heavy and is meant to be sheath carried, it'll be a travesty. And that handle splay is excessive
Ganzo
They do look very Ganzo, lol. I wonder why no gear covers?
Post by: Kampfer on November 16, 2015, 08:35:23 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 08:50:58 PM
I really wish thier was another big player in the multitool market as Leatherman seems to piss me off at every turn and I am getting really sick of it.
Victorinox and Gerber are keeping me happy at the moment. I don't like everything they do, but they seem to be offering me personally more than the others combined.
Leatherman still have a couple of products I'd endorse, but unless my recently fixed Switchplier wins me over, SOG aren't getting any votes from me at all. CRKT do really well with their knives IMHO, but their multitools tend to seem like they were created after kicking out time at the pub :D Bear and Sons stagnated years ago, Kershaw and Buck gave up, Schrade sold out, Wenger got swallowed up and Leatherman seem to have become..... disorientated :whistle: Did I miss anyone significant? :think:
It's frustrating that there's no new good stuff to get excited about, but if I wanted to buy a new tool tomorrow, at least I know I could buy something with confidence from Gerber or Vic
Oh, and BTW...... wasn't Powerplay a SOG/Palladin trademark? I wonder if there'll be any backlash from Palladin?
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
Pliers, Blade and what looks like a 1/4" bit holder, if the size/quality/price match up then this could be the most interesting thing to come out in the near future.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:01:56 PM
I dig the Reactor, it's obvious a successor to the PowerDuo.
Pliers, Blade and what looks like a 1/4" bit holder, if the size/quality/price match up then this could be the most interesting thing to come out in the near future.
The blurb says "housing 10 components", but I wonder if that's meant to be 10 functions :think: there does appear to be other stuff not opened out/described. There's that little hook thingummy near the blade pivot. Some flat blade looking something-or-other near the plier pivot, something uncoated tucked away on the opposite side of the handle to the blade....
Certainly chance for more excitement or disappointment depending on what else they haven't shown us yet :P :D
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:08:43 PM
Both sets of pliers seem to have some form of toothed grippy/crimper affair on the underside of the pliers. Double headed pliers maybe? Though there's also that line that says....
Quote
When the tool is closed, the top has a centered hex bit driver that’s convenient and comfortable to use while minimizing chances of stripped screw heads.
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2015, 09:09:43 PM
If you look carefully, you see there is at least one screw missing. I think this is photoshopped together...I dig the Reactor, it's obvious a successor to the PowerDuo.
Pliers, Blade and what looks like a 1/4" bit holder, if the size/quality/price match up then this could be the most interesting thing to come out in the near future.
The blurb says "housing 10 components", but I wonder if that's meant to be 10 functions :think: there does appear to be other stuff not opened out/described. There's that little hook thingummy near the blade pivot. Some flat blade looking something-or-other near the plier pivot, something uncoated tucked away on the opposite side of the handle to the blade....
Certainly chance for more excitement or disappointment depending on what else they haven't shown us yet :P :D
Probably not even the right pliers head (looks too big).
Also, the inside gripping area is partially covered by the handle, that can't be right.
Post by: dks on November 16, 2015, 09:13:33 PM
(http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/415/573/475/475573415_904.JPG)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2015, 09:16:32 PM
Also....With that the "tool-count" on the pliers is at least 6: 3 gripping areas, wire cutter, hard wire-cutter, compound lever not to far to get to 10 then ;)
Both sets of pliers seem to have some form of toothed grippy/crimper affair on the underside of the pliers. Double headed pliers maybe? Though there's also that line that says....QuoteWhen the tool is closed, the top has a centered hex bit driver that’s convenient and comfortable to use while minimizing chances of stripped screw heads.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
If you look carefully, you see there is at least one screw missing. I think this is photoshopped together...
Nah, these are the guys that gave us the PowerDuo with cracked scales and centre mounted can opener that can't sit on the rim of a can :D The missing screw will probably be a design feature for adjustable handle splay :rofl:
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 09:22:30 PM
They look interesting, I look forward to try them out.
As soon as I saw the Reactor, I thought "I bet Kampfer is going to like this." It looks kinda Colonial Marine :D
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:26:46 PM
the first one reminded me of this
(http://i00.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/415/573/475/475573415_904.JPG)
Is that one of the True Utility offerings?
It's interesting that they chose to go for a combination of inboard and outboard. It makes the blades more usable, but still leaves the saw potentially impeded by the opposing handle. Not sure why they didn't just make both handles outboard :think:
Post by: dks on November 16, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:31:07 PM
Also....With that the "tool-count" on the pliers is at least 6: 3 gripping areas, wire cutter, hard wire-cutter, compound lever not to far to get to 10 then ;)
Both sets of pliers seem to have some form of toothed grippy/crimper affair on the underside of the pliers. Double headed pliers maybe? Though there's also that line that says....QuoteWhen the tool is closed, the top has a centered hex bit driver that’s convenient and comfortable to use while minimizing chances of stripped screw heads.
Hmmm...
Fine pliers
Bolt gripper
Crimper
Wire cutter
Bit driver
Blade
Rescue hook for gnomes :think:
Awl maybe (behind the blade)
There's got to be a bottle opener in there somewhere, which just leaves flesh shredder (exposed gears :P)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 09:32:29 PM
Ganzo 108 - prety big, solid pliers and OK tools
:salute:
Post by: Demel on November 16, 2015, 10:05:31 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
I would need them in hand or see a video to make judgement. Pictures are one thing bit in hand is another. Glad to see more innovation. The powerplay looks like one side is outside accessible and the other is on the inside? :think:Nah, its Photoshop... makes no sense that an OHO-blade is on the inside :facepalm:
Also the description clearly states that the blades are outside-accessible. This actually makes the tool even more interesting... and probably more comfortable to grip.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
I would need them in hand or see a video to make judgement. Pictures are one thing bit in hand is another. Glad to see more innovation. The powerplay looks like one side is outside accessible and the other is on the inside? :think:Nah, its Photoshop... makes no sense that an OHO-blade is on the inside :facepalm:
Also the description clearly states that the blades are outside-accessible. This actually makes the tool even more interesting... and probably more comfortable to grip.
Beat, the OHO blades are outside when the tool is closed :pok:
Post by: Kampfer on November 16, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
:DThey look interesting, I look forward to try them out.
As soon as I saw the Reactor, I thought "I bet Kampfer is going to like this." It looks kinda Colonial Marine :D
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Oh, you are right... that probably means this is how it will be :ahhh, meaning only half the tools on the outside like Demel said :ahhh WHY? :ahhhI would need them in hand or see a video to make judgement. Pictures are one thing bit in hand is another. Glad to see more innovation. The powerplay looks like one side is outside accessible and the other is on the inside? :think:Nah, its Photoshop... makes no sense that an OHO-blade is on the inside :facepalm:
Also the description clearly states that the blades are outside-accessible. This actually makes the tool even more interesting... and probably more comfortable to grip.
Beat, the OHO blades are outside when the tool is closed :pok:
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 11:23:05 PM
Reactor sports the single worst example of handle splay I think I've ever seen
I think I figured something out regarding this - the missing bolt on the knife-side handle would be the one that connects that handle to the plier head, I believe. I think it was removed so that the tool could be photographed in that position. Meaning, the handles would be closer together at that plier position, but that would not leave enough room to show off that case-hardened blade for the press photo.
I was just thinking about it because the handles appear... just wrong. Something seems off. The angle of the handles seems different.
Can anyone offer any argument or evidence to the contrary?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 16, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
Reactor sports the single worst example of handle splay I think I've ever seen
I think I figured something out regarding this - the missing bolt on the knife-side handle would be the one that connects that handle to the plier head, I believe. I think it was removed so that the tool could be photographed in that position. Meaning, the handles would be closer together at that plier position, but that would not leave enough room to show off that case-hardened blade for the press photo.
I was just thinking about it because the handles appear... just wrong. Something seems off. The angle of the handles seems different.
Can anyone offer any argument or evidence to the contrary?
That makes no sense (no disrespect to you). Surely you'd just open the handles wider to take the shot :shrug:
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 11:39:51 PM
That makes no sense (no disrespect to you). Surely you'd just open the handles wider to take the shot :shrug:
Well, I agree that it doesn't really seem that plausible. But, why else would it be missing the bolt that connects the handle to the plier head? ??? And like I said, the handles appear to be at two different angles. Maybe it's just me? :shrug:
Another arguement against my theory is the gears. Even with that bolt removed, the interaction betwixt the gears would keep the handles at the same angle with respect to each other.
Sorry, I might be a little thinker than I drunk I am :drink:
Post by: Higgins617 on November 16, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
Reactor sports the single worst example of handle splay I think I've ever seen
I think I figured something out regarding this - the missing bolt on the knife-side handle would be the one that connects that handle to the plier head, I believe. I think it was removed so that the tool could be photographed in that position. Meaning, the handles would be closer together at that plier position, but that would not leave enough room to show off that case-hardened blade for the press photo.
I was just thinking about it because the handles appear... just wrong. Something seems off. The angle of the handles seems different.
Can anyone offer any argument or evidence to the contrary?
That makes no sense (no disrespect to you). Surely you'd just open the handles wider to take the shot :shrug:
My thought it that handle isn't fully locked into place which is why it looks so wide, again because the blade wouldn't fit in that position with the handles in the normal plier position.
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 16, 2015, 11:44:27 PM
The Good: Powerplay
-built in hex bit adapters. This is actually a pretty great feature, and the fact that it dosent take up normal tool space is awesome. If I can keep a doublesided bit in there, I can finally forgive SOGs poor screwdriver performance.
-file. The file is cut ALL THE WAY TO TO END! I know its a drawing, but sogs files are another weak spot, and if this one is aggressivly cut, I would be a very excited enthusiast
-phillips head. Again another weak spot. But they finally considered changing it! Frankly, as long as it remains 3D, they cant realy mess this one up by changing is, as SOGs phillips is pretty poor, even on #1 screws (plus it will fold over on non lockig tools). Id rather have a 2D phillips that could fit #1 and #2 phillips heads.
-blades. Looks like they are "standard" pivots, maybe good mod fodder... Big serrated edge is exciting, but OHO, is just ok in my books
-locks. Looks like they incorporated their axis type lock onto this multi. Only time will tell if its any good, but it looks neat.
-micro driver. I assume thats what the tool between the awl and the file is. If that is the case, it is a neat, and welcome addition.
The Bad: Powerplay
-no gear covers. This is a big mistake for SOG. The PowerDuo should have had them, and they will kill this tool for me if they dont include them. It doesn't cost much to include some extra metal there, and they will win many more customers if they do, myself included.
-saw. The woodsaw was one of the best parts of SOGs tools. While the teeth were just as good as LMs, and almost as good as Vics, the fact that it is tapered towards the spine to prevent binding was a fantastic idea. I would be very sad to see this feature go, and hopefully it wont be lost here.
The ugly: Reactor
The only good thing I have to say about this is they appear to have included a hex bit adapter, which was a smart move. Everything else about this tool turns me off. No gear covers, huge handle splay (I assume this is because it's a drawing), ugly plier head, assisted opening, weird jimping near the blade pivot. I dont like the Skeletool much, I doubt ill like this one either.
Other:
It looks like they replaced the cap crimper on the other side of the plier pivot with the extra gripping area found on the PowerCut and normal diagonal cuters. Odd, for a pliers based multi.
Post by: rdub934 on November 16, 2015, 11:44:56 PM
My thought it that handle isn't fully locked into place which is why it looks so wide, again because the blade wouldn't fit in that position with the handles in the normal plier position.
SOG's compound leverage tool's handles don't lock into place, though. :shrug:
So you see it too? The handles are at different angles, right?
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 17, 2015, 12:10:13 AM
My thought it that handle isn't fully locked into place which is why it looks so wide, again because the blade wouldn't fit in that position with the handles in the normal plier position.
SOG's compound leverage tool's handles don't lock into place, though. :shrug:
So you see it too? The handles are at different angles, right?
Could be! If you look inside the handles, the left hand side has more of the backside of the plier head showing. In effect the head is slightly skewed to the handles. There is still no (apparent) rational reason for doing this though. Why the smurf would you prepare PR releases based on photos of partly built tools. That's like advertising a car with the wheels missing :D
Then again, their PR did (still might - haven't checked) proclaim the Switchplier had compound leverage on the pliers :whistle:
Post by: rdub934 on November 17, 2015, 12:44:18 AM
Could be! If you look inside the handles, the left hand side has more of the backside of the plier head showing. In effect the head is slightly skewed to the handles. There is still no (apparent) rational reason for doing this though. Why the smurf would you prepare PR releases based on photos of partly built tools. That's like advertising a car with the wheels missing :D
Then again, their PR did (still might - haven't checked) proclaim the Switchplier had compound leverage on the pliers :whistle:
HAHAHAHA! Good points, on both accounts!
Post by: forest77 on November 17, 2015, 11:31:06 AM
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 17, 2015, 11:39:19 AM
At least they make good knifes.
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I can't comment on that, I've never owned one. Their designs have never really appealed, so I've never experienced their quality first hand. I think they got some bad press a couple of years back for problems with their fixed blades, but can't recall any reported issues with their folders
Post by: ducttapetech on November 17, 2015, 11:42:02 AM
The MACV, while not something I would use, is very cool looking and even cooler throwback to the men who served in SOG.
Not sure how the newer can opener will work. Hopefully better than the older one. That is the one tool on a SOG that I hated. I would like the see a #2 Phillips instead.
Also, I love the looks of some of there new folders.
Post by: forest77 on November 17, 2015, 11:46:57 AM
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Post by: sawman on November 17, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
At least they make good knifes.I agree. For years (years ago) I carried a Flash II and have even gifted that model out to people who loved them. I most recently acquired the Fielder and find it to be one of the highest quality budget knives I've ever owned. SOG may have produced a couple of "flops" in these newly announced multitools, BUT, they're one of the TOP producer of quality folders IMHO.
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Post by: ducttapetech on November 17, 2015, 12:27:44 PM
They make some sweet knives.
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Post by: WWW on November 17, 2015, 01:45:23 PM
Reactor sports the single worst example of handle splay I think I've ever seen
I think I figured something out regarding this - the missing bolt on the knife-side handle would be the one that connects that handle to the plier head, I believe. I think it was removed so that the tool could be photographed in that position. Meaning, the handles would be closer together at that plier position, but that would not leave enough room to show off that case-hardened blade for the press photo.
I was just thinking about it because the handles appear... just wrong. Something seems off. The angle of the handles seems different.
Can anyone offer any argument or evidence to the contrary?
It looks as if it have a bum leg/handle.
Post by: styx on November 17, 2015, 05:14:29 PM
Post by: rdub934 on November 17, 2015, 05:41:13 PM
However, I would have rather seen some refinement to the existing MT product lines. Change the chassis on the PPP and PL, make a pocket clip for them, and then improve their implements, IE a better Phillips, scissors, file, etc...
Post by: AlephZero on November 17, 2015, 05:46:15 PM
:DThey look interesting, I look forward to try them out.
As soon as I saw the Reactor, I thought "I bet Kampfer is going to like this." It looks kinda Colonial Marine :D
Not the only Skeletool fan that likes that, the moment I saw it, I thought "Ok that's SOG Skeletool" :D
Post by: Kampfer on November 17, 2015, 06:13:24 PM
Post by: rdub934 on November 17, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
Hey, it was worth the try :tu:
BTW, I see that my original post on their page has been REMOVED :rofl:
Post by: rdub934 on November 17, 2015, 08:32:44 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 17, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
And even the blog post has been removed! But hey, we still have a few pics don't we? LolNow that is funny!
Hopefully SOG will take some of the suggestions on this thread to heart.
Post by: rdub934 on November 17, 2015, 08:47:14 PM
Come on, Leatherman! File a new patent already :)
Come on, Gerber! Release your 2016 product catalog already :)
Post by: ari6126 on November 18, 2015, 04:06:33 AM
Post by: Kampfer on November 18, 2015, 06:24:22 AM
I think I saw the MACV on sale at Lowes yesterday. Packaged with a knife?You must got the time machine working, what else is happening in 2016? ;)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 18, 2015, 11:01:19 AM
So I posted the link about these new products on SOGs Facebook page and asked about additional information, because I can't find anything else. They messaged me back saying that they didn't even realize that information had been leaked online yet. And while they did not release any new details to me, they are sending me a free SOG hat!!!!Good thing you had downloaded the images :tu: enjoy your hat :salute:
Hey, it was worth the try :tu:
BTW, I see that my original post on their page has been REMOVED :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 18, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
Post by: ari6126 on November 18, 2015, 08:09:44 PM
I think I saw the MACV on sale at Lowes yesterday. Packaged with a knife?You must got the time machine working, what else is happening in 2016? ;)
I went foward in my time machine and got these pictures.
Post by: Kampfer on November 18, 2015, 08:16:55 PM
Post by: sawman on November 19, 2015, 01:26:28 AM
Post by: rdub934 on November 19, 2015, 02:18:12 AM
Post by: rdub934 on November 28, 2015, 10:44:12 PM
http://www.bladeops.com/SOG-Reactor-Multi-Tool-p/sog-rc1001-cp.htm
***Coming Soon in 2016***
The SOG Reactor houses a total of 10 components, including a hardcased black coated stainless steel assisted blade, powerful Compound Levereage geared pliers, gripper, wire cutters, wire crimpers, bottle opener, magnetic hex bit driver, flat head / Phillips combination screwdriver and pocket clip.
Post by: rdub934 on November 28, 2015, 10:47:32 PM
http://www.bladeops.com/SOG-PowerPlay-Multi-Tool-PEG-p/sog-px1001-cp.htm
***Coming Soon in 2016***
Compact, comfortable and feature-rich, the PowerPlay brings many tool components into a small, portable multi-tool with Compound Leverage pliers and blades that can be accessed without opening the tool.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 28, 2015, 10:57:29 PM
***Coming Soon in 2016***
Compact, comfortable and feature-rich, the PowerPlay brings many tool components into a small, portable multi-tool with Compound Leverage pliers and blades that can be accessed without opening the tool.
So as well as photographing an only partially assembled Reactor, did SOG's resident dimwits photograph the Powerplay with one of the handles bolted on backwards?
:facepalm:
Whatever their PR guys have been smoking, they need to save it for the weekends, and avoid taking pictures on a Monday morning
Post by: WWW on November 28, 2015, 11:07:56 PM
***Coming Soon in 2016***
Compact, comfortable and feature-rich, the PowerPlay brings many tool components into a small, portable multi-tool with Compound Leverage pliers and blades that can be accessed without opening the tool.
So as well as photographing an only partially assembled Reactor, did SOG's resident dimwits photograph the Powerplay with one of the handles bolted on backwards?
:facepalm:
Whatever their PR guys have been smoking, they need to save it for the weekends, and avoid taking pictures on a Monday morning
It is like marketing dept and movie trailers. They destroy and spoil the whole thing.
Post by: rdub934 on November 28, 2015, 11:14:09 PM
Post by: Demel on November 29, 2015, 12:20:13 AM
Yes I HATE trailers. The ruin it all
***Coming Soon in 2016***
Compact, comfortable and feature-rich, the PowerPlay brings many tool components into a small, portable multi-tool with Compound Leverage pliers and blades that can be accessed without opening the tool.
So as well as photographing an only partially assembled Reactor, did SOG's resident dimwits photograph the Powerplay with one of the handles bolted on backwards?
:facepalm:
Whatever their PR guys have been smoking, they need to save it for the weekends, and avoid taking pictures on a Monday morning
It is like marketing dept and movie trailers. They destroy and spoil the whole thing.
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 30, 2015, 05:07:39 PM
Post by: rdub934 on December 01, 2015, 08:26:31 PM
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Post by: WWW on December 01, 2015, 09:46:49 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 01, 2015, 09:58:56 PM
Mail person delivered a package as I was getting home from work. Not just a free hat, but a free Crosscut, too! All for just asking a question on Facebook. Way to go, SOG!
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt197/Russell_Wyatt_Jackson/Mobile%20Uploads/20151201_120346-1_zpsc1uj9vuj.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Russell_Wyatt_Jackson/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151201_120346-1_zpsc1uj9vuj.jpg.html)
More like as compensation for silencing you on FB ;)
Nice score though :)
Post by: rdub934 on December 01, 2015, 10:13:40 PM
Mail person delivered a package as I was getting home from work. Not just a free hat, but a free Crosscut, too! All for just asking a question on Facebook. Way to go, SOG!
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt197/Russell_Wyatt_Jackson/Mobile%20Uploads/20151201_120346-1_zpsc1uj9vuj.jpg) (http://s611.photobucket.com/user/Russell_Wyatt_Jackson/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20151201_120346-1_zpsc1uj9vuj.jpg.html)
More like as compensation for silencing you on FB ;)
Nice score though :)
Everyone has a price, right? Lol
Post by: captain spaulding on December 02, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
If I could only wear knife/MT branded clothes every day I would.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 02, 2015, 07:37:22 PM
Pretty cool of SOG. They could of just said "Thanks for letting us know" and removed your post, but decided to reward you for your SOG diligence. A+ performance SOG. That hat is sweet!+1 Nice of them :tu:
If I could only wear knife/MT branded clothes every day I would.
Also clever, good advertisement at a reasonable price :P
Post by: rdub934 on December 04, 2015, 04:34:00 AM
Post by: sLaughterMed on December 04, 2015, 03:31:02 PM
I got to thinking about the Reactor earlier. I hope the tool has good retention of the bit in that handle. If you grab the tool by the larger/blade handle and attempt to one-hand open the tool, anything less than good retention would result in a projectile.I think I read somewhere that the holder is magnetic, for what its worth
Post by: Etherealicer on December 04, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
I got to thinking about the Reactor earlier. I hope the tool has good retention of the bit in that handle. If you grab the tool by the larger/blade handle and attempt to one-hand open the tool, anything less than good retention would result in a projectile.I like the way you think :tu:
However, this is probably beyond what you are supposed to do ;)
Post by: rdub934 on January 06, 2016, 05:27:51 AM
A nice little write-up on the PowerPlay and Reactor. But no new info or pics just some extra insight from SOG, I guess.
Post by: Demel on January 06, 2016, 02:43:11 PM
Post by: rdub934 on January 06, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 11, 2016, 01:25:42 AM
Post by: jlwatso1 on January 11, 2016, 02:57:02 AM
http://content.yudu.com/Library/A3y5ie/GunTradeWorldTactica/resources/16.htm
A nice little write-up on the PowerPlay and Reactor. But no new info or pics just some extra insight from SOG, I guess.
The page was just blank when I clicked on it. I would like to see what the PowerPlay looks like.
Post by: SAK Guy on January 11, 2016, 03:18:18 AM
http://content.yudu.com/Library/A3y5ie/GunTradeWorldTactica/resources/16.htm
A nice little write-up on the PowerPlay and Reactor. But no new info or pics just some extra insight from SOG, I guess.
The page was just blank when I clicked on it. I would like to see what the PowerPlay looks like.
I had lots of probs with scripts on that page...
Post by: jlwatso1 on January 11, 2016, 03:55:05 AM
Post by: SAK Guy on January 11, 2016, 04:09:04 AM
Thanks! I appreciate it. :tu:
:salute:
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 11, 2016, 05:46:15 PM
Post by: Kampfer on January 11, 2016, 07:49:51 PM
Post by: balvenie on January 19, 2016, 01:01:44 PM
Post by: rdub934 on January 19, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
Do anyone know when the powerplay will be available?
We should find out more today, or Friday at the latest, but the initial blog post referring to 2016 SOG products in general mentioned February. I don't really know what that means - are all of them dropping in Feb? I doubt it. My guess is that the new products will start trickling out in Feb. However, at least one of the 2016 releases came out before Christmas - the MACV tool.
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 19, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
Do anyone know when the powerplay will be available?No, but SHOT Show begins today. Theres a decent chance SOG will be revealing the tools, and possibly a release date during the show
Post by: balvenie on January 19, 2016, 05:48:49 PM
Post by: rdub934 on January 20, 2016, 05:12:54 AM
Do anyone know when the powerplay will be available?
1 March, according to Chris from SOG. It looks pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVxajArjaS4
Post by: Zephon on January 20, 2016, 05:58:41 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 20, 2016, 07:35:06 AM
This one is quite interesting --- USD80 with bit kit? If this shows up locally, this might be my first SOG.
I wasn't really all that interested at first, but after seeing the video... it's a sharp little tool kit. Now, if I can just find a video about the Reactor
Post by: Demel on January 20, 2016, 12:26:05 PM
Post by: Demel on January 20, 2016, 12:28:35 PM
Post by: balvenie on January 20, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 20, 2016, 04:02:49 PM
And why make it PowerAssist sized? Why not base it on the Pocket PowerPlier instead?
Post by: alexTOOL on January 20, 2016, 04:08:48 PM
The best of SOG (compund leverage pliers) with the best of Leatherman (outside locking blades with no chisel ground)...
We will wait to see your first review USA SOG guys!!! :gimme:
Post by: alexTOOL on January 20, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
Did I miss it, or are there no gear covers on the PowerPlay?
And why make it PowerAssist sized? Why not base it on the Pocket PowerPlier instead?
Yes, too thick :rant:
In PPP size or better in LM Juice size but with the power of compound leverage pliers will be a winner...!!! :drool: :drool: :drool:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 20, 2016, 04:39:50 PM
It'll be interesting to hear some first hand reports from guys here on the forum in a few months
Post by: Demel on January 20, 2016, 07:15:27 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 20, 2016, 10:40:55 PM
I don't mind the size. How can you tell it is powerassist size? Do the smaller tools lock or just the blades? It is hard to tell on the video. A closer view would be nice. Btw thanks rdub. You have been on it. :cheers:He says full sized in the video, which leads one to assume it is the same size as their large tools like the powerlock and powerassist. Leatherman and Gerber also use the same terms (mid size and full size) for their 4" and 4.5" tools, sosothe terms are fairly standard across the insustry
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 07:05:45 AM
Sorry, just venting frustration at looking for something all day (for two days) and not getting anything.
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 07:09:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ydpGPE3lyA
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 07:33:06 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 07:57:53 AM
:D
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 08:14:00 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
Post by: Zephon on January 21, 2016, 08:47:46 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 21, 2016, 09:06:57 AM
One side note. When he first pops out the Switchplier he says something like "it has good spring in the pliers" while at that exact moment it appears the pliers do not spring back all the way. I could just be seeing thing but check it out and let me know what you think.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 21, 2016, 10:14:20 AM
Post by: firiki on January 21, 2016, 10:49:27 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 21, 2016, 02:01:14 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 21, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
The Reactor looks way better than it did in the leaked pic. I'm thinking SOG might have a hit here.Agreed. I wonder if there is space to slip another double sided bit into the bit holder. If there is, and SOG gets the QC right, this could be a Skeletool killer.
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 03:38:09 PM
One side note. When he first pops out the Switchplier he says something like "it has good spring in the pliers" while at that exact moment it appears the pliers do not spring back all the way. I could just be seeing thing but check it out and let me know what you think.
I noticed something weird happened there as well. It's like he hesitated before giving it a squeeze. And when he did, it was very gingerly.
I don't like the lock tabs on the PowerPlay :-\
That is specifically the reason I posted the freeze frame of the handles. When I saw it from that angle, I noticed the lock tabs seem to stick out a lot, on what is an otherwise pretty smooth profile.
Post by: Demel on January 21, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
overall after initial close up videos I think SOG r & d department has put in hard work and it is paying off. Vic still hasn't put out an explorer with pliers :facepalm: Leatherman is relying on their name and putting out lazy designs. SOG seems to be rebuding their brand. If qc is up to par this will put them back in the game as serious contenders. Thanks for putting in ot rdub getting those videos and pics up. :hatsoff:
Post by: alexTOOL on January 21, 2016, 04:26:49 PM
The Reactor looks way better than it did in the leaked pic. I'm thinking SOG might have a hit here.Agreed. I wonder if there is space to slip another double sided bit into the bit holder. If there is, and SOG gets the QC right, this could be a Skeletool killer.
Sadly in Europe won´t be a Skeletool killer.
In Spain spring assited knives are forbidden weapons.
A liner lock would be enough! :twak: :twak: :twak:
See what our police has confiscated as forbidden weapons...:
http://www.elnortedecastilla.es/nacional/201601/20/guardia-civil-incauta-tarjetas-20160120183659.html
Another confiscation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8l07KJyKc
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 21, 2016, 04:35:23 PM
Thanks for putting in ot rdub getting those videos and pics up. :hatsoff:Agreed. Props to you rdub. Thanks for keeping us informed :cheers:
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
I am still excited to get my hands on the powerplay. The lock tabs do protrude some. I'll reserve judgement until I get it in hand. The reactor seems like the Powerduo and Skeletool love child. I am sure the bits from the powerplay can be used on the reactor. And I am glad they didn't keep the driver on the arm :ahhh
overall after initial close up videos I think SOG r & d department has put in hard work and it is paying off. Vic still hasn't put out an explorer with pliers :facepalm: Leatherman is relying on their name and putting out lazy designs. SOG seems to be rebuding their brand. If qc is up to par this will put them back in the game as serious contenders. Thanks for putting in ot rdub getting those videos and pics up. :hatsoff:
My pleasure! I have been anxious about SOGs offerings this year - glad to finally have something to actually get excited (or disappointed about).
I think you are right about your state of the MT union, and it definitely seems like SOG are actually trying to regain what they lost from 2010 and 2014 after making some changes and putting out some products that were/are below standard. The PowerDuo does have it's merits, but at what they were expecting MSRP SOG were crazy. CrossCut 2.0 is pitiful. Lazy is the precise word that comes to mind when I think about LM they last few years - especially this year.
If the PowerPlay and Reactor are up to the same quality standard as SOG's anchors such as the PL, PPP, and SP2.0. That will make or break SOG with this year's offerings because the tools look well thought-out :tu:
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 21, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
Thanks for putting in ot rdub getting those videos and pics up. :hatsoff:Agreed. Props to you rdub. Thanks for keeping us informed :cheers:
I'll jump on this bandwagon. Thanks, rdub! :salute:
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 21, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
The Reactor looks way better than it did in the leaked pic. I'm thinking SOG might have a hit here.Agreed. I wonder if there is space to slip another double sided bit into the bit holder. If there is, and SOG gets the QC right, this could be a Skeletool killer.
Sadly in Europe won´t be a Skeletool killer.
In Spain spring assited knives are forbidden weapons.
A liner lock would be enough! :twak: :twak: :twak:
See what our police has confiscated as forbidden weapons...:
http://www.elnortedecastilla.es/nacional/201601/20/guardia-civil-incauta-tarjetas-20160120183659.html
Another confiscation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8l07KJyKc
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
Post by: Demel on January 21, 2016, 05:39:14 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 21, 2016, 06:17:05 PM
Aftet watching the close up video again I wonder if the bits that come with the powerplay are standard bits? Meaning you can use any normal bits in the powerplay driver. That would be a huge bonus. Any thoughts?
Thought I heard him say they're regular 1/4" hex bits in there somewhere.
Post by: Kampfer on January 21, 2016, 06:32:36 PM
Post by: captain spaulding on January 21, 2016, 07:13:01 PM
That reactor looks very sweet, but why black blade? I will have to remove that coating.
Or just use it away. :pok: :D
Post by: Kampfer on January 21, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Post by: rdub934 on January 21, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
That reactor looks very sweet, but why black blade? I will have to remove that coating.
#blackbladesmatter
:rofl:
Post by: captain spaulding on January 21, 2016, 08:49:29 PM
Post by: alexTOOL on January 21, 2016, 09:03:38 PM
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Post by: captain spaulding on January 21, 2016, 09:19:36 PM
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 21, 2016, 10:03:07 PM
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
Is it because of the way it's concealed?
Post by: Kampfer on January 21, 2016, 11:53:36 PM
I dont give a **** :DThat reactor looks very sweet, but why black blade? I will have to remove that coating.
#blackbladesmatter
:rofl:
Post by: Kampfer on January 21, 2016, 11:56:23 PM
Yes, fixed blade must be carry openly, not concealed or disguised.
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
Is it because of the way it's concealed?
Technically speaking, Swisscard 's knife is a fixed blade. If the cops and DA really want to make a case of of it, they can.
Post by: alexTOOL on January 22, 2016, 02:07:17 AM
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Post by: rdub934 on January 22, 2016, 07:03:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMZRbdxMl1w
Post by: captain spaulding on January 22, 2016, 07:20:23 AM
Yes, fixed blade must be carry openly, not concealed or disguised.
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
Is it because of the way it's concealed?
Technically speaking, Swisscard 's knife is a fixed blade. If the cops and DA really want to make a case of of it, they can.
What he said. :D
Post by: captain spaulding on January 22, 2016, 07:21:16 AM
They really confiscate those flimsy credit card knives as illegal weapons? :facepalm:
Maybe they're just concerned it'll crumple and mutilate the user's hand when they try to open a letter :rofl:
For that reason for USA members sounds like a joke some situations we have to deal with in the old Europe...
:oops: :oops: :oops:
I know, it is sad
Next thing will be to go for Swiss Cards??? :facepalm:
Not strange to me. A Swisscard could catch me a felony in California if carried in a pocket.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Your fine friend. :tu:
Post by: captain spaulding on January 22, 2016, 07:23:39 AM
Just a bit of knowledge for anyone interested. I take knowing my CA knife laws very seriously.
Post by: alexTOOL on January 22, 2016, 02:03:38 PM
Could it be possible to disengage the assisted opening and left a normal liner lock knife?c :think: :think: :think:
Thanks
P.S.: Hi Captain! :salute:
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 22, 2016, 10:48:28 PM
The Reactor has spring assisted blade and liner lock.It really depends on the spring mechanism, and how SOG decides to implement that mechanism.
Could it be possible to disengage the assisted opening and left a normal liner lock knife?c :think: :think: :think:
Thanks
P.S.: Hi Captain! :salute:
Short answer is that we wont know until someone tears one apart
Post by: rdub934 on January 23, 2016, 07:53:39 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 23, 2016, 07:58:27 AM
Too aggressive? :rofl:
Post by: Ryo Saeba on January 23, 2016, 01:44:16 PM
Post by: Fortytwo on January 23, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
The screwdriver thing is kinda neat but it seems like it will be a major pain if you don't have much clearance around a screw.
Throw an extension in your kit? One of the best parts of this being a 1/4" hex is that there's quite literally millions of pieces to suit your needs. Attach a pen-clip to a 4" extension and you can clip it to the sheath if you choose to carry it in one. Worst case (don't carry a sheath), you're not much worse of compared to the Leatherman offerings.
Edit, for me this is one of those "why is this feature not out before now" cases. With space inside the tool so limited this seemed like such an obvious solution once I saw it.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 23, 2016, 03:17:00 PM
Post by: rdub934 on January 23, 2016, 04:17:42 PM
Looks like that bit driver feature will be a very necessary part of the design. The on-board Phillips isn't filling me with confidence
Lol, I was thinking "why even include that crappy Phillips? Everyone is just going to go straight for the bit driver." Save that slot for something else. The glaring omission on the PP being scissors.
I a little surprised (okay not really) that no improvement on the can-opener design :twak: Oh well, baby steps, I suppose. A lot of good incorporated on the PowerPlay. It does look like it will be very comfy in hand. The file looks like an immense improvement over the existing design. And finally some outside access tools. :salute: I am just hoping quality is where it should be. If these are more kin to the PowerDuo than the PowerLock all the good ideas will be for naught
Post by: rdub934 on January 23, 2016, 05:33:46 PM
The screwdriver thing is kinda neat but it seems like it will be a major pain if you don't have much clearance around a screw.
Throw an extension in your kit? One of the best parts of this being a 1/4" hex is that there's quite literally millions of pieces to suit your needs. Attach a pen-clip to a 4" extension and you can clip it to the sheath if you choose to carry it in one. Worst case (don't carry a sheath), you're not much worse of compared to the Leatherman offerings.
Edit, for me this is one of those "why is this feature not out before now" cases. With space inside the tool so limited this seemed like such an obvious solution once I saw it.
All very good points :tu: I especially agree with your last point - probably Leatherman and Gerber are slapping their foreheads after seeing this. It doesn't take up any additional space inside the tool, it's basically a locked feature but requires no complex mechanism to do so, and it puts the bit perfectly center-lined with the tool. I wonder if SOG got this idea patented? They would have been wise to do so, because I bet we see some copy-cats.
Hmmm, I wonder if the reps from the different companies go over and check out the competition's booths. I know I would! Lol
Post by: Fortytwo on January 23, 2016, 06:06:14 PM
Looks like that bit driver feature will be a very necessary part of the design. The on-board Phillips isn't filling me with confidence
Lol, I was thinking "why even include that crappy Phillips? Everyone is just going to go straight for the bit driver." Save that slot for something else. The glaring omission on the PP being scissors.
This, what's up with manufacturers having such a hard time making toolsets that compliments each other? I'm also a bit peeved that it seems as if though they are moving away from exchangeable tools.
Post by: rdub934 on January 23, 2016, 07:26:13 PM
Looks like that bit driver feature will be a very necessary part of the design. The on-board Phillips isn't filling me with confidence
Lol, I was thinking "why even include that crappy Phillips? Everyone is just going to go straight for the bit driver." Save that slot for something else. The glaring omission on the PP being scissors.
This, what's up with manufacturers having such a hard time making toolsets that compliments each other? I'm also a bit peeved that it seems as if though they are moving away from exchangeable tools.
Not in love with the fact that the PP has gone away from the interchangeable tools. Besides compound leverage, it is probably the biggest selling point for SOG over the other manufacturers. But it was probably necessary in order to allow for locking, outside-access tools. But if they were going to do that, why not redesign the drivers to make them better?
Post by: Obi1shinobee on January 23, 2016, 07:42:34 PM
Another video of the new tools. You get a better idea of the Reactor's overall size and thickness in this one, not as bad as I originally thought. Looks pretty equivalent to the Skeletool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMZRbdxMl1w
$79 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh love it .. kick leatherman ass :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: rdub934 on January 25, 2016, 05:48:35 AM
Post by: Goatlord666 on January 25, 2016, 08:27:13 PM
Post by: metasyntax on January 26, 2016, 05:40:15 PM
PowerPlay looks chunky, kinda reminds me of the MP800. I'm not sure why they didn't just make everything open on the outside. I'm digging the pointy pliers though, and that molded sheath is awesome — I wish more companies would offer that option. I'll be interested to see how the new locks work. The PowerPlier always frustrates me when you close a tool and it pushes the adjacent tools down so the lockbars don't grab them anymore (in the closed position). I'm hoping whatever new mechanism they've come up with solves this problem.
Hopefully these will be awesome quality. Like a lot of folks have said, I love seeing this innovation from SOG!
Post by: rdub934 on January 27, 2016, 03:52:15 AM
Found another video. This one has some really good looks at the new stuff.
Post by: sLaughterMed on January 27, 2016, 05:15:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shzPu5YoSaEThanks for the video. Its has the view I was hoping for: a clear shot of the full length, and full thickness, in the same frame.
Found another video. This one has some really good looks at the new stuff.
Using some quick and dirty measurements, and assuming that the tool is 4 inches long, the Reactor (not including clip) is .63" thick. This is great, as it actually puts it a tad thinner than the Skeletool. If it turns out to be 4.5", the Reactor will be .71", or exactly as thick as a Skele (but .5" longer, which would be too bad).
Now im really excited for this tool, as long as SOG keeps their QC in check.
Post by: rdub934 on January 28, 2016, 03:29:16 AM
Post by: rdub934 on January 28, 2016, 03:30:56 AM
Post by: Demel on January 28, 2016, 03:49:17 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on January 28, 2016, 04:10:22 AM
More deliciousness
Thought that first pic with the Reactor in knife mode was a new SOG folder for a moment as I scrolled by. What a slick design. :gimme:
Post by: rdub934 on January 28, 2016, 04:13:40 AM
It does look chunky but it is also packing a full loadout. I'm very interested ro see how the locks work. After using the powerlock for a month, the current lock system can be unreliable at times. When does the powerplay release?
I believe I heard Chris mention March in one of the videos.
Post by: Demel on January 28, 2016, 07:01:25 PM
Post by: SurivStud on January 29, 2016, 12:11:55 AM
A bit extender would do anyways, and using the MT at closed position to screw will give more secure grip I guess.
I like multitools that allow you to extend one of the handles for longer reach when screwing; but the compound leverage pliers are the very soul of SOG.
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Post by: rdub934 on January 29, 2016, 05:05:33 AM
www.breachbangclear.com
I don't know what this is. I can't get the site to open. But Breach Bang Clear apparently have some pics and opinions on the new SOGs
Post by: Kampfer on January 29, 2016, 09:00:47 AM
(http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/reactorbitholder.jpg)
(http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/reactorblade.jpg)
(http://www.breachbangclear.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/powerplaytools.jpg)
Post by: Kampfer on January 29, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
Post by: rdub934 on January 29, 2016, 07:58:29 PM
I know it's nit-picky, but the name is the only thing I don't really like about the tool (so far)
Post by: Kampfer on January 29, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
I like the name PowerTrio, the three tools it offers are equally strong.
I know, PowerDuo sucks. :facepalm:
Post by: dbeeks1 on January 30, 2016, 04:51:16 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 30, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
I am seeing the Reactor as PowerTrio.
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
PowerSplay ::)
:whistle:
Post by: rdub934 on January 30, 2016, 08:42:43 PM
I am seeing the Reactor as PowerTrio.
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
PowerSplay ::)
:whistle:
Oh hush! It doesn't look that bad! :rofl: Grumpy Gus
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 30, 2016, 09:42:19 PM
I am seeing the Reactor as PowerTrio.
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
PowerSplay ::)
:whistle:
Oh hush! It doesn't look that bad! :rofl: Grumpy Gus
:rofl:
Post by: Wanimator on February 02, 2016, 03:32:45 AM
Post by: Kampfer on February 03, 2016, 12:52:45 AM
http://www.sogknives.com/type/multi-tools/powerplay.html
http://www.sogknives.com/industrial/multi-tools/powerplay-1.html
http://www.sogknives.com/industrial/multi-tools/reactor.html
http://www.sogknives.com/industrial/multi-tools/macv-tool.html
Post by: rdub934 on February 03, 2016, 01:15:16 AM
Post by: Kampfer on February 03, 2016, 01:21:32 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on February 03, 2016, 01:21:57 AM
I am seeing the Reactor as PowerTrio.
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
Still has a missing screw. I am starting to think that's just how it is.
Either that or it has a set screw. :think:
Post by: rdub934 on February 03, 2016, 02:45:49 AM
I am seeing the Reactor as PowerTrio.
(http://zero7one.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/SOG-Knives-Reactor-Multi-Tool-001-1000-600x900.jpg)
Still has a missing screw. I am starting to think that's just how it is.
Either that or it has a set screw. :think:
I think set screw :tu:
Post by: rdub934 on February 03, 2016, 02:47:19 AM
SP2.0 is made in China, right?
I'm not sure. It doesn't say on the website. Or, I missed it, if it is there
Post by: Wanimator on February 03, 2016, 05:09:13 AM
Post by: rdub934 on February 03, 2016, 09:21:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GACAi_g48us#t=12
Post by: rdub934 on February 03, 2016, 09:22:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_B06udPKRI
Post by: firiki on February 03, 2016, 09:49:52 PM
I don't like the lock tabs on the PowerPlay :-\
That is specifically the reason I posted the freeze frame of the handles. When I saw it from that angle, I noticed the lock tabs seem to stick out a lot, on what is an otherwise pretty smooth profile.
Sorry, I missed this post earlier!
Good catch and I agree, the lock tabs seem to stick out enough to intefere during use of both the inner tools as well as the pliers. I feel they should have been made flat. :tu:
Post by: Kampfer on February 03, 2016, 11:57:21 PM
:-\
Post by: Wanimator on February 04, 2016, 05:33:20 AM
Post by: Fortytwo on February 04, 2016, 11:12:19 AM
I'd like the Powerplay if it were USA made and had the satin/polished stainless handles without the gimmicky bit holder.
I find the bit holder to be probably the most innovative new feature I have seen lately. There's really not much better to use that space for (most crimping is just as easily done with the pliers). I would have preferred if they had made it grip the bits instead of using magnets but considering how badly standardised 1/4" bits seem to be I guess they had no choice. I would gladly buy one if they released replacement Pocket Powerplier heads with this new feature.
Oh, and a new bit-kit with the 1/4"square-1/4"hex adapter replaced with a extender would have made so much sense!
Post by: Wanimator on February 05, 2016, 06:46:12 AM
Post by: Fortytwo on February 05, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
That magnet attracts ferrous things like steel dust or pieces of wire next to it, right next to the plier's pivot point.
Very true, and it should have been possible to hold it in there by friction.
Post by: Demel on February 06, 2016, 11:01:15 PM
Post by: dbeeks1 on February 06, 2016, 11:09:29 PM
Post by: rdub934 on February 09, 2016, 07:42:17 PM
http://www.rei.com/product/101885/sog-reactor-multi-tool
Post by: matt2silver on February 09, 2016, 09:26:06 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 10, 2016, 01:04:09 AM
I hope this isn't too off topic, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me. Do you guys think we'll see upgrades to the PPP and power lock giving them the new bit driver capable plier head? Looking at my PPP it seems like it would be easy enough to do, but I'm wondering if they'll opt out of doing this to give consumers more reasons to invest in the new tools. Thoughts and/or opinions?Im hoping they phase out the Pocket PowerPlier all together, and introduce the Pocket PowerLock.the more I think about the bit driver pliers in the PPP, the less I care. The only advantage it had over the PowerLock was size and pocketability, and adding bits to the equation defeats the purpose.
Post by: rdub934 on February 10, 2016, 01:36:11 AM
I hope this isn't too off topic, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me. Do you guys think we'll see upgrades to the PPP and power lock giving them the new bit driver capable plier head? Looking at my PPP it seems like it would be easy enough to do, but I'm wondering if they'll opt out of doing this to give consumers more reasons to invest in the new tools. Thoughts and/or opinions?
I doubt they will get the bit - compatible heads, it sort of steals a point of differentiation from the new lines. Also, the PL has several functions in the crotch of the pliers that the new tools lack (well, maybe just one). Based on these two new tools, I doubt we will see any big updates to either of the legacy tools.
Post by: Wanimator on February 10, 2016, 03:53:02 AM
I hope this isn't too off topic, but my curiosity has gotten the better of me. Do you guys think we'll see upgrades to the PPP and power lock giving them the new bit driver capable plier head? Looking at my PPP it seems like it would be easy enough to do, but I'm wondering if they'll opt out of doing this to give consumers more reasons to invest in the new tools. Thoughts and/or opinions?
I certainly hope not, I hate this new bit holding plier head design. As previously mentioned a locking tool PPP would be great, especially with replaceable wire cutters to go with that compound leverage... Rebar killer.
Post by: matt2silver on February 16, 2016, 04:03:52 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on February 16, 2016, 09:38:12 PM
Of course, I'm just thinking out loud, I'll probably never see one in real life, so don't expect a review or anything useful.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 17, 2016, 05:12:31 AM
Post by: Fortytwo on February 17, 2016, 10:07:30 AM
My Reactor has shipped from REI.
Nice, can we have pictures when it shows up?
Post by: balvenie on February 17, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 17, 2016, 03:00:55 PM
My Reactor has shipped from REI.
Nice, can we have pictures when it shows up?
You bet! I'll even do a review if I have time with a comparison to the Skeletool and a knockoff and others.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 17, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
Does REI send also in Europe?
It looks like they do, but their shipping is pretty pricey.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160217/b16126185466dc2109fb6b404055ad7c.jpg)
Post by: balvenie on February 17, 2016, 06:44:13 PM
Post by: ari6126 on February 17, 2016, 06:51:14 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 12:51:55 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 12:53:47 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 01:00:21 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/5807a77cd375500abe2fcb0326451832.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/e19c4a6cd1c8b65f988416f6a2d98117.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/b5c66ff50f66c51f97151a706875d634.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/426015643ffedec5f0ca5d4848d5eeaa.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/28bf90d82b0e48c805bf1c2b3282454e.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160219/aa197abbed20ba520e357d578a934d8b.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160220/123c22a0002cfec8b2ae3aa83aa70789.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160220/3b8752ee8fbc81814d9a26b385e71e2f.jpg)
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 01:01:26 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 01:25:38 AM
Post by: zoidberg on February 20, 2016, 01:29:19 AM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 20, 2016, 01:50:35 AM
That is a little disappointing. :(Its very dissapointing. Sadly not completely unexpected.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 02:32:45 AM
Post by: rdub934 on February 20, 2016, 04:05:54 AM
Anyways, congrats on getting the Reactor! I can't wait to get one of my own. I looked at Academy Sports earlier this evening but they did not have it yet.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I also tried the bit driver. You have to squeeze the handles pretty tightly to keep the bit from spinning in the mount, and that's pretty uncomfortable and difficult when you have to change your grip to spin a screw.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:25:56 AM
Cool! Awesome pics comparing it to the Skeletool! I am a little bummed to hear that it disappoints you. How would you say it compares to a Gerber Octane? Not so much in size and weight, but in feel? Does it have that sort of "slight" feeling to it. The Octane is my favorite pocket sized tool and the dainty-ness of it never bothered me - I feel that the Skeletool is WAY over-built for it's intended purpose and tool load.
Anyways, congrats on getting the Reactor! I can't wait to get one of my own. I looked at Academy Sports earlier this evening but they did not have it yet.
I don't have an Octane to compare it to, so I can't comment on that.
I'd actually compare this more to a CRKT Zilla Tool and Zilla Junior for the feel of the tool overall and the lightness of the action and function.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 04:15:04 PM
Additional tweaking on the Reactor included loosening the screw for the bottle opener so it could be pivoted. I'm surprised SOG doesn't have better Quality Control in their manufacturing.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 04:16:25 PM
Post by: balvenie on February 20, 2016, 08:00:07 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:34:27 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:38:43 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:40:46 PM
I fear I'm not giving it its due justice with my initial impressions. Mine just had some real problems out of the box.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 08:54:07 PM
Post by: rdub934 on February 20, 2016, 09:19:40 PM
If you're familiar with the CRKT Carson M16 knife, the Reactor feels very similar to that too.
Okay. Now there is a good point of reference for me. The M16 is sturdy despite it's diminutive feel. I was really getting depressed about the Reactor until I saw this. Lol
Post by: Tom Munch on February 20, 2016, 09:59:42 PM
If you're familiar with the CRKT Carson M16 knife, the Reactor feels very similar to that too.
Okay. Now there is a good point of reference for me. The M16 is sturdy despite it's diminutive feel. I was really getting depressed about the Reactor until I saw this. Lol
Good, that's why I added it.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 01:37:51 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 01:39:22 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160221/3989d131dc54f4ea2d25ad02bd724235.jpg)
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 01:41:46 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160221/9a47d550f482dd6c4f897c85ff0e6c1a.jpg)
Post by: Padre on February 21, 2016, 02:09:20 AM
But I have to say that the tool looks really good still. Really good to me.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 02:36:32 AM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 21, 2016, 03:43:30 AM
The magnet is better in the long run anyway.Agreed, why they didnt go that route is beyond me.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 04:05:42 AM
Post by: balvenie on February 21, 2016, 11:14:08 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 21, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
My idea was to buy a power play but now I'm a little bit disappointed.....the quality seems to be very low as the design :-\
I'd say go for it. I'd try it if it had a pocket clip.
Post by: Wanimator on February 21, 2016, 10:30:10 PM
...Additional tweaking on the Reactor included loosening the screw for the bottle opener so it could be pivoted. I'm surprised SOG doesn't have better Quality Control in their manufacturing.
Try the warranty dept. I don't want to trash SOG but maybe this is within their quality tolerances at the factory, hopefully it's a particularly sour lemon.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 22, 2016, 05:27:37 PM
...Additional tweaking on the Reactor included loosening the screw for the bottle opener so it could be pivoted. I'm surprised SOG doesn't have better Quality Control in their manufacturing.
Try the warranty dept. I don't want to trash SOG but maybe this is within their quality tolerances at the factory, hopefully it's a particularly sour lemon.
I got it all working fine now. I've ordered another one to see if this one was just poorly set up.
Also ordered a Powerplay to see how it compares.
Post by: Kampfer on February 23, 2016, 09:22:51 PM
The Reactor is small, at the same time feels very filmy. The blade lock is not only weak and thin, also it is difficult to fully engage .
Blade is not very comfortable to use, many hot spots, and liner lock is easily to accidentally disengage when squeezing the handle.
Pliers is awkward to use, and NOT more comfortable than the exposed sheet metal handles of PPP.
Bit retention in handle is weak, I can see the bit would be lost down the road. To use the driver, you must squzze the handles together as hard as you can or the bit will just end up spinning instead of driving the screw.
While the Reactor looks good on paper, after a few minutes in hand it turned me off.
Post by: balvenie on February 23, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
Post by: Kampfer on February 23, 2016, 09:51:11 PM
Ok got it. I Will Order a spirit :oops:That is the spirit! :tu:
Post by: dbeeks1 on February 23, 2016, 11:14:26 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 24, 2016, 12:12:42 AM
Thanks Tom and Kampfer for taking the hit on this one. I just cancelled my Knifecenter pre-order. Sounds like I can find a better way to spend $50.
You're welcome, but I still think the Reactor has a place with someone who wants a smaller tool that has interesting engineering and doesn't mind if it's a little fiddly.
Post by: Kampfer on February 24, 2016, 12:20:17 AM
You are welcome, get a Skeletool from HD for $20 and save yourself $30.Thanks Tom and Kampfer for taking the hit on this one. I just cancelled my Knifecenter pre-order. Sounds like I can find a better way to spend $50.
You're welcome, but I still think the Reactor has a place with someone who wants a smaller tool that has interesting engineering and doesn't mind if it's a little fiddly.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 24, 2016, 05:42:50 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2016, 10:06:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfXbm2hQjus&feature=youtu.be
Def
Post by: Obi1shinobee on February 24, 2016, 10:07:28 PM
From Lord Kampfer:
https://youtu.be/LROFpsjHi6Q
Def
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Post by: Tom Munch on February 24, 2016, 11:41:37 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2016, 11:53:06 PM
Def
Post by: Tom Munch on February 24, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 24, 2016, 11:59:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfXbm2hQjus&feature=youtu.be
Def
Post by: Kampfer on February 25, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
There. Should be good to go now.That is my short and bitter 12 second review on the Reactor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfXbm2hQjus&feature=youtu.be
Def
The lock was fully engaged in the video, and see how easy I disengaged it just by touching it.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 12:05:21 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 12:47:30 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 12:49:28 AM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 25, 2016, 01:23:27 AM
That is a really disappointing review. :td:
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 01:31:02 AM
Hey Kam, how thick is it compared to a Skeletool?
That is a really disappointing review. :td:
Look at my photo on the previous pages.
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 25, 2016, 03:59:42 AM
Hey Kam, how thick is it compared to a Skeletool?
That is a really disappointing review. :td:
Look at my photo on the previous pages.
The screwdriver bit is a 1/4" right? Does that make the Reactor (minus clip) about 3/4" wide
EDIT: Found it. :facepalm:
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 04:12:58 AM
Post by: Kampfer on February 25, 2016, 05:08:55 AM
I looked at your video again. It just doesn't look like it's getting much bite on the blade butt, and so it's just sliding back into the pre-lock position next to the blade. Mine did that at first until it wore in. SOG really needs someone to inspect these better before they ship.The lock was engaged all the way, but the strength is weak, and at the wrong spot where index finger rests.
One little squeeze, it is done.
Some said Skeletool liner has the same issue, but I personally never encounter it, and the same issue on Reactor is 100 times worst.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 05:21:37 AM
https://vimeo.com/156653757 (https://vimeo.com/156653757)
Post by: Kampfer on February 25, 2016, 09:09:09 PM
Don't know about you but I hate anything sand blasted, just screams cheap to me.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 25, 2016, 09:39:37 PM
Post by: Kampfer on February 25, 2016, 10:46:10 PM
They look painted.I was talking about the sliver parts.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:59:17 AM
The Reactor is looser than the first one, but works better out of the box since the first one felt broken. The resistance on the assistive opening is less, and the spring is also not as strong it seems. The lock doesn't come over as far on the knife butt, and so I can see how it could slip over like it did for you, Kampfer. The blade hinge also seems like it could be tighter since the blade has some side-to-side play. The whole box frame that houses the pliers seems to be a little out of alignment so that the pliers don't fold into the middle which also makes the blade a little crooked in its track. It also has put a scratch on the plier head right out of the box where it grazes the housing. SOG really has some variance in manufacturing tolerances to work out.
The Powerplay is different than the Reactor although the construction is similar. The plier head is longer and comes to a finer point. The outside-opening tools are easy to deploy, lock, and unlock, but they don't seem particularly well made. The Phillips screwdriver especially is small and stubby, and it slips out of my usual test screw very easily. The blade is okay, but isn't very sharp. The can opener is dull, and the bottle opener is so-so. The inside-opening tools are harder to deploy, especially the middle three. The locking piece and the tool butts are both rough and don't slide easily against each other, so it's really hard to get the tools out. SOG tried to make this easier by putting washers in between tools to keep the from clumping and binding, but it's going to take some use to smooth out the rough pieces and make these easy to use. The small flat screwdriver is the only new tool I haven't used in a SOG before. It's too big for eyeglasses, but seems well made.
I'll take pictures and give more details tomorrow.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:18:15 AM
Another note on the Powerplay. The bit driver is misaligned. Pictures will show better. Also the pliers don't fold flush when closed.
Post by: Demel on February 27, 2016, 01:56:57 PM
Post by: WWW on February 27, 2016, 03:06:24 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 04:39:15 PM
With several tools
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/752879b29cbbc31926b261fbd3aa4590.jpg)
With a LM New Wave and Powerplier
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/6ada567efa3df3aec9e1f13f03170403.jpg)
Showing five tools in Powerplier showing thickness and washers in between tools
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/28fe3754e34313f5ecc89586b020d302.jpg)
Comparing pliers
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/2058ff0dc5e3ae1cb3a7bfbc92cad039.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/6056b0a2c2a6eade0520c4a422a9890d.jpg)
With Wave showing grips
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/3642fb50c5fc25dd7b8975c6ff45336f.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/25122e224b7670d15411da3ed433e203.jpg)
PE blades
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/797bbf5212c4e6c6206bf34f5db692af.jpg)
Phillips is stubbier than regular SOG
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/8766e9d6413eca0974d7a614f9eff5a3.jpg)
Nail studs hard to get to
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/e5fd7c95801a4bad7db4d955067d675e.jpg)
Middle inside-opening tools
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/eb61e0b6631579cc67e427b318bb25eb.jpg)
Locking mechanism
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/da935ef21dac7e955b9e2854e9499a5e.jpg)
SOG pliers comparing bit driver addition
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/9d79b57ddd3752984699ad958a5bea9d.jpg)
Different pliers tips
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/8fc8691274830ee4e3b322b299320645.jpg)
Phillips compared to Powerduo
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/0d79ce582d9f8434a242104e5f52bb36.jpg)
Bottle and can openers Powerduo, Powerplay, Powerplier (on top)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/7c44822b83ffeb476144f1f2ce626dea.jpg)
Bottle and can openers Powerduo, Powerplay, Paratool (on top)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/d49d9522eb178365dc87d441d2e564cb.jpg)
Bottle and can openers Powerduo, Powerplay, Vic Spirit (on top)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/d697f82c2f4f9326044f1f996a64e35b.jpg)
Post by: Wanimator on February 27, 2016, 05:09:28 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:08:36 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/e83653fb0bb03130eb17f9e1f737b668.jpg)
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:14:51 PM
Post by: Fortytwo on February 27, 2016, 06:47:45 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
It looks like the Pocket Powerplier has less gears than the Reactor/Powerplay too.
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:56:27 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:02:58 PM
The biggest thing is that the bit driver needs more clearance in the tool, so maybe it wouldn't fold into the handle. Look at the photo of the three SOG tools partially open above.
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 27, 2016, 07:06:10 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/e5f743ff6f1f6a255f2962c425aa3a18.jpg)That particular Pocket PowerPlier is the old version, made before production was shipped to China. You can tell because it has the hexagonal pivot screws, rather than the newer torx screws, and the old plier head. new iterations of the Pocket PowerPlier have the same plier head as the PowerDuo, characterized by the more refined needlenose point and smaller bolt gripping area.
It does look like the Reactor and Power Play have more gear teeth than the PPP. I wonder why that is? :think:
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:07:39 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 27, 2016, 07:09:56 PM
I need a couple more SOGs for comparison. Need to order some accessory tools too.Does the PowerPlay fit the standard SOG parts, or did they change the blade pivots?
Oh, and how is the file?
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:10:25 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/3718b814ffb976fd1eaf6dec6ed1e2a6.jpg)
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:13:56 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/445e14fed2f5abad0f2bbd5c81a820ce.jpg)
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 08:07:50 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 27, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on February 27, 2016, 08:34:57 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 27, 2016, 08:41:29 PM
You can see that it's a new lock. I think they said on one of the SHOT show videos that they viewed it as an improvement.I dont see why they couldnt use the new lock with the old lock notch size
Post by: Tom Munch on February 29, 2016, 01:48:42 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 01, 2016, 09:48:08 PM
Post by: Vinjints on March 01, 2016, 09:56:45 PM
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Post by: Demel on March 01, 2016, 11:34:37 PM
Wow! The Powerlock is HUGE compared to the Powerplay and Reactor and all of the other SOG tools I've owned up to this point.Can you post comparison pics with the two?
Post by: Tom Munch on March 01, 2016, 11:43:23 PM
Post by: Demel on March 01, 2016, 11:52:46 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 04:38:35 AM
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Post by: sLaughterMed on March 02, 2016, 04:59:30 AM
Also, how is the file on the PowerPlay? Better than the PowerLocks?
And finally... did they actually make the PowerPlays Phillips head driver smaller than the PowerLocks #1?
Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 05:12:17 AM
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Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 05:15:04 AM
Yes, the Powerplay Phillips screwdriver is smaller.
Post by: Demel on March 02, 2016, 11:11:44 AM
Post by: balvenie on March 02, 2016, 12:33:13 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on March 02, 2016, 03:06:32 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
What about the quality of the powerplay? Is it sturdy? Is it possible to compare with the LM wave which share almost the same tool load?
It seems very sturdy to me.
Go back a couple pages to see pictures with the Wave and many others.
Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 03:30:00 PM
Man the PowerPlayis thick. Thats a non starter for me right there. And making the phillips driver smaller?
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Yah, it looks like some of the bits I've bought over the years that are rounded at the tip so they'll fit more screw sizes. This one slips out of screws for me though. I've already bunged it up.
Post by: balvenie on March 02, 2016, 07:55:58 PM
What about the quality of the powerplay? Is it sturdy? Is it possible to compare with the LM wave which share almost the same tool load?
It seems very sturdy to me.
Go back a couple pages to see pictures with the Wave and many others.
Yeah I've seen. But I don't understand the problem of the bit holder. Is necessary to squeeze strong the handles to spin correctly?
Post by: Tom Munch on March 02, 2016, 08:06:38 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 03, 2016, 12:58:57 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 03, 2016, 06:26:06 AM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 03, 2016, 02:47:07 PM
Post by: Padre on March 08, 2016, 06:17:34 PM
Now... well. Not so much. Seems that they actually went the wrong way with these...
I really like my PPP and PowerLock and it seems that they are the SOGs I stick with.
Also Tom, earlier you asked that your favorite tool makers would make a MT (Wiha maybe?)...
Please don't ask for that. I love Bahco tools, but the recent Bahco MT is pretty lame.
They also made a step back as their earlier models were better.
You better not ruin your favorites by asking them to do something they are not familiar with.
;)
Post by: Tom Munch on March 08, 2016, 07:18:14 PM
Post by: Demel on March 08, 2016, 11:35:19 PM
Post by: Kampfer on March 09, 2016, 01:25:11 AM
I officially want a reactor. Need to see it for myself.:dwts:
Post by: ThePeacent on March 13, 2016, 06:40:28 PM
I have an offer for a Powerlock, and already own one, but I don't know if the PowerPlay's Compound leverage could compete against the Powerlock's.
If so, I'd go for it. Wanna try it out. But the offer on the Powerlock is so darn good. And I need all that gripping power.
Any help here? ???
Thanks
Post by: Tom Munch on March 13, 2016, 06:55:05 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 14, 2016, 06:30:02 AM
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Post by: Tom Munch on March 14, 2016, 06:32:02 AM
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Post by: scrappy on March 14, 2016, 07:22:14 AM
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Post by: Tom Munch on March 16, 2016, 04:09:15 AM
Post by: alexTOOL on March 20, 2016, 01:54:58 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on March 21, 2016, 08:12:33 AM
I EDC a big MT and med size tool on the belt. I used to carry the Powerlock/Blacktip but it was too heavy and long for belt carry, so it now goes in the bag.
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I, for my particular needs and tasks, need a Comp. Lev. tool for my belt carry (carried the Juice, which I hope a member of this board ^^^^ is already enjoying :cheers:, but it wasn't what I needed), and I thought the PPP would serve me well.
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It has, and it's light and so, but it lacks locks (indispensable to me) and the toolset is almost the same as the Powerlock/Blacktip, so I lose a lot of versatility with the package.
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I ask now: is the Powerplay the new PPP I am looking for? (C.Leverage and a strong bite, locking tools, smaller and lighter than the big SOGs...)
Thanks!
Thankseverybody.
Post by: Tom Munch on March 21, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
Post by: metasyntax on March 21, 2016, 04:10:39 PM
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Do those washers eliminate the tool clumping? They really increase the width, I'd much rather have a slimmer handle with tools that clump. :-\
Post by: Padre on March 21, 2016, 04:55:16 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on March 21, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
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Do those washers eliminate the tool clumping? They really increase the width, I'd much rather have a slimmer handle with tools that clump. :-\
They don't totally eliminate the clumping, but they help.
Post by: Demel on March 23, 2016, 04:29:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSWwc4OjxSMThanks for putting this up. :tu:
After watching the video and reading the comments I still want one :facepalm: honestly I've found that for me personally I won't know whether I like a tool or not until I get it in hand and use it for a while. I think people forget that multitools are compromises. They will never be better than dedicated tools, but using a reactor as a screwdriver will be better than using your car keys. So I still will be getting a reactor. Sad to see so many people write it off of being "leatherman only" guys based one video. :crash:
ps I do want to mention that I like the Lateboy Scout. Some of his reviews I don't fully agree with, but he's still helpful in the way he does reviews.
Post by: Tom Munch on March 23, 2016, 04:52:44 AM
Post by: Demel on March 26, 2016, 12:48:49 AM
Post by: rdub934 on March 27, 2016, 04:30:53 AM
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I like it so far. It's no Skeletool, but that suits me just fine because I don't really like the Skeletool. Its super compact and light and has a great pocket clip.
This is a suitable replacement for my beloved Octane (finally)
Post by: Demel on March 27, 2016, 05:04:53 AM
Post by: ThePeacent on March 27, 2016, 10:57:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93hl0k_etlI
And it's from the SOG guys themselves, so I don't expect to hear anything bad about their tools from them...
Sad!
Post by: Tom Munch on March 27, 2016, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: rdub934 on March 27, 2016, 05:08:41 PM
The octane is a really good tool. Makes no sense why it was discontinued. They should've cut the crucial line honestly. Glad you like the Reactor. It is still on my list just got knocked down priority wise. Any problems with the blade lock on yours?
No problems with blade lock-up, but there is a bit of flex as others have described. I haven't been able to inadvertently unlock mine as I believe it was Kampfer that demonstrated with his. I haven't used mine for much, though, just fiddling
Post by: ThePeacent on March 28, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
The lack of reviews is your biggest clue. I haven't used mine enough to have more than my cursory review above. It's just not that outstanding in any area. What do you want to know about it?
Well, I'd just like to know what does it improve on the PPP and the Powerlock, and in which ways could it be a better substitute for the PPP as a mid-size and weight MT for my belt carry system.
Post by: Padre on April 04, 2016, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: Tom Munch on April 04, 2016, 06:54:53 PM
The lack of reviews is your biggest clue. I haven't used mine enough to have more than my cursory review above. It's just not that outstanding in any area. What do you want to know about it?
Well, I'd just like to know what does it improve on the PPP and the Powerlock, and in which ways could it be a better substitute for the PPP as a mid-size and weight MT for my belt carry system.
Sorry didn't write back right away.
I wouldn't say it improves on either of them other than giving one-hand opening to some tools. It's bigger than the PPP, so I personally don't see it as a substitute for the PPP. Its in between in size, and is a compromise in so many ways. I think you'll just have to see one in person to get your answers.
Post by: dmitrym on April 05, 2016, 07:29:00 PM
I've seen it's dismissed as a gimmick but assisted opening is very nice and I found it quite convenient in my other knives. Full sized bit driver would be nice too, no proprietary bits. I was hoping it would replace my EDC knife...although I'm not too terribly clear on the physical dimensions.
One thing of note is that last week, reactor was available on amazon but at some point it was pulled and the estimates for the next shipment are now a vague "1-2 months". Could it be that SOG has recalled these tools and addressing some of the issues? Hopefully.
Post by: Fortytwo on May 03, 2016, 04:24:46 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on May 04, 2016, 06:12:06 AM
Post by: Demel on May 06, 2016, 12:06:30 AM
and a Reactor of course. Very impressive SOG. Very impressive indeed
Post by: rdub934 on May 06, 2016, 12:33:05 AM