Post by: Syem on December 08, 2018, 11:36:50 AM
Has anyone seen or heard anything about this?
Post by: Reinier on December 08, 2018, 11:38:37 AM
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2018, 11:51:47 AM
Strange...
I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade :drool:
Post by: Syem on December 08, 2018, 01:19:12 PM
Of all the great models they could choose from, they select such a small niche of enthousiasts?Well... It is listed as one of their best selling models... It also won the reddot award 2018 and the kitchen innovation of the year 2018.
Strange...
I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade :drool:
It's also one of their latest innovations AND their first original 130mm knife (that's not just a Vic remake of a Wenger knife).
The 130mm 2015 damas had great success too so it's a very understandable move. It's a bit sad they don't go for more risky stuff like original toolset or resurrecting defunct models but that's typical of these guys on the other side of the röstigraben
If it has a similar silver shield unlock button it might just be gorgeous.
It should sell and resell very well i think.
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2018, 01:22:36 PM
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.
I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset :cheers:
Post by: Rapidray on December 08, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
Post by: EMZ on December 08, 2018, 06:07:54 PM
But...but...I don’t drink. (Emoji - Lyons with head lowered walking away with blanket in tow)
Well... you could start a new hobby... Drinking wine!
Post by: Etherealicer on December 08, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.
I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset :cheers:
Post by: Rapidray on December 08, 2018, 08:05:34 PM
Nooo... :rofl:But...but...I don’t drink. (Emoji - Lyons with head lowered walking away with blanket in tow)
Well... you could start a new hobby... Drinking wine!
Resisting a LEGO bug as it it...enablers they are!
:cheers:
Post by: maxt on December 08, 2018, 10:46:04 PM
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.
Post by: koke on December 08, 2018, 11:39:38 PM
Of all the great models they could choose from, they select such a small niche of enthousiasts?Well... It is listed as one of their best selling models... It also won the reddot award 2018 and the kitchen innovation of the year 2018.
Strange...
I'd rather see something like a Yeoman or other discontinued toolconfig with damascus blade :drool:
It's also one of their latest innovations AND their first original 130mm knife (that's not just a Vic remake of a Wenger knife).
The 130mm 2015 damas had great success too so it's a very understandable move. It's a bit sad they don't go for more risky stuff like original toolset or resurrecting defunct models but that's typical of these guys on the other side of the röstigraben
If it has a similar silver shield unlock button it might just be gorgeous.
It should sell and resell very well i think.
:iagree:
Post by: Rapidray on December 09, 2018, 01:31:49 AM
I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).Oh boy, thats just way to cool. And different patterns! :like: :tu:
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.
Post by: Huntsman on December 09, 2018, 11:20:51 AM
Or maybe two models of the WM - One as now and a new one with an additional cheese knife blade!!
Possbly retire the 111mm :o
Post by: BerkshireHunter on December 09, 2018, 08:21:08 PM
Post by: maxt on December 09, 2018, 10:15:24 PM
Still think they should merge the Wine Master and Cheese knifeThis is exactly my product suggestion I have submitted to Victorinox some months ago. To replace the blade by a serrated for bread and add cheese blade. That will be a perfect wine combination and interesting serrated Damasteel blade )
Post by: gadgetman7 on December 10, 2018, 02:20:33 AM
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Post by: LoopCutter on December 10, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.
I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset :cheers:
You may very well be right!
At dinner the other night with my wife, the table next to us had ordered 3 different bottles of wine between the 5 of them. The Wine Stewart opened each bottle at the table with his Swiss Wine Master, and at least 3 of the party went :drool: :drool: :think: :hatsoff: over his tool, each asking in unison what and where to get one. I will admit I was interested too!, Then found this discussion.
I am curious though, isn't all of Europe limiting on locking blades? Which would restrict use in public and picnic settings.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2018, 07:05:20 PM
Not Switzerland... the soldier knife has to be legal.Uhm... yes, I stand corrected.SAKs are also really popular gifts in Switzerland and a totally new SAK reduces the risk that you gift one the other guy already has.
There are probably more wine lovers than SAK lovers out there, appealing to a wider public.
I was thinking with my collector mindset, which is not the general client mindset :cheers:
You may very well be right!
At dinner the other night with my wife, the table next to us had ordered 3 different bottles of wine between the 5 of them. The Wine Stewart opened each bottle at the table with his Swiss Wine Master, and at least 3 of the party went :drool: :drool: :think: :hatsoff: over his tool, each asking in unison what and where to get one. I will admit I was interested too!, Then found this discussion.
I am curious though, isn't all of Europe limiting on locking blades? Which would restrict use in public and picnic settings.
Basically, what it boiled down to is that when they wanted a new knife for the Swiss Military, they had to make that open to everybody (EU law)... so a Chinese company that basically offered to gift the knives had the lead. So, they changed the specifications and now the Soldier '08 is a weapon by EU standards. Weapons contracts don't need to be open to companies from other counties... so, Victorinox won :o
And because the soldier knife has to be legal (everybody carries one), they changed the law. That said, weapons laws in Switzerland are pretty mild. You should know that the largest shooting competition is not held in the US, but in tiny Switzerland with a wooping 130000 contestants. 8)
Post by: Mechanickal on December 10, 2018, 07:07:51 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2018, 10:38:20 PM
Mostly reservists? :DAll kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m :D (25/50m for handguns)
Post by: Rapidray on December 10, 2018, 10:54:31 PM
300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! :like:Mostly reservists? :DAll kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m :D (25/50m for handguns)
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?
Post by: Syem on December 11, 2018, 01:13:48 AM
You can't carry the bolt in the rifle while travelling with it to and from the army courses. You can't have a loaded magazine and definitely can't have a magazine in the rifle.300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! :like:Mostly reservists? :DAll kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m :D (25/50m for handguns)
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?
In terms of Swiss knife laws. The only restrictions I know are (and I prolly got some somewhat wrong so don't take this as legal advice :D ):
- No button-opening blade (no stilettos but the assisted opening knives are fine).
- No butterfly knives.
- No double-edged blades of less than 30cm (some exceptions are historical army bayonets and officer daggers which can be shorter than 30cm).
- No disguised knife (knife hidden as a pen for example. The crappy folding knife shaped like a pistol should be forbidden theoretically but it's borderline 'cause most can tell it's a knife).
- any knife used as a weapon is considered illegal. You can carry a huge bowie-knife (although you may be asked to justify doing it if they see you with it in the city) but the minute you're using it as a weapon, even to defend yourself, you can get in trouble and it may be seized.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 11, 2018, 08:15:51 PM
I agree on 1+2, although I don't understand 2, butterfly knives make bad weapons. These you cannot even get a permit for these.You can't carry the bolt in the rifle while travelling with it to and from the army courses. You can't have a loaded magazine and definitely can't have a magazine in the rifle.300 meters is like 330 yards on the other side of the pond. Very nice! :like:Mostly reservists? :DAll kinds, also loads of girls, shooting is fairly popular. Also, the range is 300m :D (25/50m for handguns)
I also like the fact you get to take them home! I did see a YouTube video showing a gentleman going to do his qualification with the rifle and they do a safety check at the door and then like 2 other times...is that right?
In terms of Swiss knife laws. The only restrictions I know are (and I prolly got some somewhat wrong so don't take this as legal advice :D ):
1) No button-opening blade (no stilettos but the assisted opening knives are fine).
2) No butterfly knives.
3) No double-edged blades of less than 30cm (some exceptions are historical army bayonets and officer daggers which can be shorter than 30cm).
4) No disguised knife (knife hidden as a pen for example. The crappy folding knife shaped like a pistol should be forbidden theoretically but it's borderline 'cause most can tell it's a knife).
5) any knife used as a weapon is considered illegal. You can carry a huge bowie-knife (although you may be asked to justify doing it if they see you with it in the city) but the minute you're using it as a weapon, even to defend yourself, you can get in trouble and it may be seized.
3) Only fixed blades, folders can have double-edged blades (e.g. the Gerber Fairbairn-Applegate folder is completely legal). Accidentally ordered a dagger that was shorter than described, is absolutely no problem, you just need a permit and carrying is restricted.
4) Never heard of that and its also not in the guidlines of the EJPD/fedpol (http://www.ejpd.admin.ch/dam/data/fedpol/sicherheit/waffen/Brosch%C3%BCre/waffenbroschuere-d.pdf)
Addendum I) For some reasons throwing knives are also illegal, but you can buy them everywhere. :dunno:
Addendum II) Exceptions are historical weapons or if you partake in historical re-enactment. Then you can legally carry a dagger and what not.
Basically for guns the rule is, you are only allowed to carry them when you are going to use them (training, competition, hunting etc) and you have to take the direct route.
It is important that you transport ammo and weapon separately. Also, handguns have to be carried in your pack, not on your belt.
We have a 3rd category which are "dangerous items". This includes most tools (hammer, axe) and many sporting gear (baseball, Hornussen whip). They are legal, but you can only carry them with you if you need them (e.g. the hammer because you are a handyman, or the baseball bat if you go to your training). This has a funny result. By the letter of the law you are not allowed to carry a hammer, however, you can carry your Katana/Rapier/Longsword (they are explicitly listed as non-weapons) with impunity :duel:
Another funny thing is, that items intended to harm others (nunchuck, tonfa, brass knuckles and so on) are weapons... swords are not :rofl:
Post by: coSAK on April 19, 2019, 08:49:50 PM
Post by: VICMAN on April 20, 2019, 12:10:29 AM
I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).Those are beautiful SAKs maxt! :like: :tu: :tu:
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.
Post by: gustophersmob on April 20, 2019, 02:12:38 PM
I like this idea of WineMaster (though I would prefer to have a 91mm Damascus).
But they will have hard time not to repeat the style of their 2015 model - that RangerWood was the pure perfection.
:dd:
The pattern on the 111mm blade is very pretty!
Heck, they all are! :like:
Post by: maxt on April 20, 2019, 09:25:35 PM
Post by: Syem on April 21, 2019, 01:30:48 AM
Looks gorgeous and 6001 is a good number (I like 7s :P)
Post by: gadgetman7 on April 22, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
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Post by: Syem on April 22, 2019, 07:21:55 PM
Have to pass on this one. I have no use for a wine tool.One more for the rest of us then! Lots of people see these damas Victorinox as investments though... or simply shelf Queens!
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Post by: koke on April 24, 2019, 04:07:40 PM
Smoked oak wood looks fine to me. But the shape of the blade and the button is not new and it will repeat the previos 130mm model.
:dd:
Post by: Etherealicer on April 26, 2019, 10:28:15 PM
One more for the rest of us then! Lots of people see these damas Victorinox as investments though... or simply shelf Queens!If you are in Basel, I know a store that still has 2014/2017 :D
Post by: Borg on April 26, 2019, 11:01:28 PM
ps - There is not really any money under my bed but the interest in say 5 years may be less than how much these increase? who knows..
Post by: Mechanickal on April 26, 2019, 11:05:07 PM
If you are in Basel, I know a store that still has 2014/2017 :DFind a 2016 and bring me a bucket to drool in :D
Such a shame I was just starting at the end of that year...
Post by: Thunderpants on April 26, 2019, 11:12:52 PM
ouch! That's mean of them. But the value will definitely increase with time. Stick it in a drawer and forget about it for 20 years.
Post by: Syem on April 27, 2019, 11:36:48 AM
If you are in Basel, I know a store that still has 2014/2017 :DI'm in Geneva and already have these 2 :D
It's an expensive week... I just spent a small fortune on a lot of Wenger rarities and HAD to buy a few of these damas...
I saw this on the Vic site this morning, what an absolute stunner, i was so tempted till i saw the price, £380, i closed the page and went away thinking.. is it likely this will lose value? for the first time in my life i thought about buying a knife as an investment, Ok it's not going to be much but the money i have under my bed is just sitting there, not gathering any interest and just sitting there getting moldy, crying out to be spent, been there for years so i went back to the website and they are sold out, how can it be that in a couple of hours 6000 of them have been sold? 1 per person it says so it's not like anyone is bulk buying, do we know if when they are released all 6000 are ready to go, or if they release them in dribs and drabs ? part of me is glad its away from temptation but man what a beautiful knife, also the cold reality is even if i did buy one as an investment i would really struggle to sell it, i know me..i find it hard to sell anything :facepalm:Considering inflation, the money "under your bed" loses value gradually. Even money sitting in a bank account generates less interest than would be required to compensate inflation. Some damas have been hard to resell for a profit (2014 comes to mind) but others have gained a lot of value.
ps - There is not really any money under my bed but the interest in say 5 years may be less than how much these increase? who knows..
" i was so tempted till i saw the price, £38"The 2010 goes for around 3k nowadays. It's probably because it was the first... But this 2019 is such a beauty... (must post pic :D)
ouch! That's mean of them. But the value will definitely increase with time. Stick it in a drawer and forget about it for 20 years.
Post by: Syem on April 27, 2019, 11:38:15 AM
Find a 2016 and bring me a bucket to drool in :DI restarted actively collecting at the end of 2016... It took me a while to find one at a "reasonable" price.
Such a shame I was just starting at the end of that year...
Post by: Mechanickal on April 27, 2019, 11:42:30 AM
I restarted actively collecting at the end of 2016... It took me a while to find one at a "reasonable" price.Right?
They were €221 retail (from what I can find online) and I'd pay that with a smile for one, today.
Here's hoping they'll release another alox version one day and I can get it in time...
Post by: Borg on April 27, 2019, 12:15:15 PM
Post by: koke on April 27, 2019, 02:43:32 PM
Right?
They were €221 retail (from what I can find online) and I'd pay that with a smile for one, today.
Here's hoping they'll release another alox version one day and I can get it in time...
I started collecting also at the end 2016, and had to go to Budapest in a business travel to find one at a reasonable (original) price 8)
Post by: Mechanickal on April 27, 2019, 02:45:24 PM
Post by: Thunderpants on April 27, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
I want the 2019 Damascus Wine B-stard.
Decisions, decisions...
Post by: Thunderpants on April 27, 2019, 03:02:31 PM
I ordered it, and paid.
Only to get an email saying the price had increased to 400 euros.
I was so annoyed by this outrageous price change I decided I could live without the 2010 after all. So I let it go.
It's probably still there in a Calabrian warehouse, gathering dust. Yours for 400 euros. If you can find it.
Post by: koke on April 27, 2019, 03:44:21 PM
When the 2010 Damascus was going for ca. 600 euros I tracked a new one down to a shop in Italy. 200 euros!
I ordered it, and paid.
Only to get an email saying the price had increased to 400 euros.
I was so annoyed by this outrageous price change I decided I could live without the 2010 after all. So I let it go.
It's probably still there in a Calabrian warehouse, gathering dust. Yours for 400 euros. If you can find it.
:facepalm:
Post by: Mechanickal on April 27, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Post by: Syem on April 27, 2019, 10:52:34 PM
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Post by: Thunderpants on April 27, 2019, 11:05:14 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on April 27, 2019, 11:49:50 PM
Post by: Borg on April 28, 2019, 10:23:42 AM
That Oak looks fantastic, congrats :tu:
Post by: zoidberg on April 28, 2019, 10:24:53 AM
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Post by: koke on April 29, 2019, 07:59:08 PM
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