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Title: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on November 29, 2014, 12:09:52 PM
I have taken on a mod job firing some new custom wooden scales to a model1908 soldier with mint steel but ratty scales and a smaller knife of similar constriction. The owner has sent me some "basket case" knives to practice on as I have not worked on these old knives before other than patching up the scales on my 40 Wenger.

I thought some of you might like to follow along as I tear down and rebuild some of these old veteran soldiers.
First a roll call pic of the candidates.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0895_zps34e88de6.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/IMG_0895_zps34e88de6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: TazzieRob on November 29, 2014, 12:13:13 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on November 29, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
   :o
 
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: magentus on November 29, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Nice one for making a thread out  of this. Can't wait to see the progression, and well done for taking it on.

 :salute:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Steinar on November 29, 2014, 01:00:12 PM
This thread should be marked X-rated...  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on November 29, 2014, 01:03:01 PM
There was one 41 knife not in the above pic.
it was the worst of the bunch with one scale completely missing, a blade that had been butchered on a grinder and rusty gummed up tools. It was so bad I didn't even take a before photo as I thought it would only be useful to see how these are put together and for parts.

After tearing it down I had second thoughts. Perhaps we could make something out of this after all. The gouges on the blade were quite bad but the shape of the blade was still there. After some work with wet and dry paper most of the damage was removed even if the deepest marks were still evident. All the rusty parts got a bath in hydrochloric acid and a date with the polishing wheel. No, they don't look new. But even the blade is acceptable for a "user".

At work we use scrapers made of real MicartaTM. Phenolic resin and paper. I decided to try some as scale material. Looks good so far. Shapes easily, tales a nice finish and with its brown colour it looks appropriate for the age of the knife.
I have some 1/8 silver steel rod which is a good fit for the pivot pins ans some 2.2mm for the spring middle pin and scale rivet.

With the strength of the backsprings on these old knives, I was surprised at the ease of reassembly.
To  cut a long story short... here are some"after" pics.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0897_zpsab343891.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/IMG_0897_zpsab343891.jpg.html)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0898_zpscc7fd853.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/IMG_0898_zpscc7fd853.jpg.html)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0900_zpsa09df10b.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/IMG_0900_zpsa09df10b.jpg.html)

Sure the blade is still a bit skanky, but I'd happily carry this old fella. I hope some of the others improve to the same extent.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Sparky415 on November 29, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
:drool:

   :o
 
 :popcorn:

What they said  :D

Thats some great work Peter  :salute:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 29, 2014, 01:39:56 PM
Nice resto job there mate! Always nice to see some old soldiers getting some TLC :tu:

Sent from the astropathic choir.

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: SteveC on November 29, 2014, 11:55:37 PM
The Micarta goes well with the old look of the knife !
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on November 30, 2014, 12:03:19 AM
Great looking scales really fine work around the awl.

Oh and a spectacular job on the front pin in the bolster ....

I think this may become my favourite thread ever :)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on November 30, 2014, 02:51:08 AM
Id love to restore one of the old ones like that.  Ive never even seen what the old springs look like.  Did you happen to take pics of it disassembled?
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on November 30, 2014, 09:08:58 AM
Great looking scales really fine work around the awl.

Oh and a spectacular job on the front pin in the bolster ....

I think this may become my favourite thread ever :)

ah.. wait until I get into some of the others, this first one was just a bit of a play around. ;)

Id love to restore one of the old ones like that.  Ive never even seen what the old springs look like.  Did you happen to take pics of it disassembled?

Didn't take any pics of this one, as I said I expected it to be little more than useful for parts. One of the others has a broken spring and I was hoping to salvage that.

Promise to take step-by-step pics of the next ones.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on November 30, 2014, 03:22:45 PM
Okay, with this one I'm going to try an experiment. I want to find out if I can add wooden scales to a knife without breaking it down. I think this would be the way to go with the "mod job" knives if it works out because two of them are in pristine condition apart from the scales and it would be a shame to disturb the wonderful Swiss precision assembly unnecessarily.
So, this 1943 Elsener Schwyz has quite reasonable steel but broken up scales.
As promised we will start with a "before" shot and I will add progress pics along the way.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0909_zps389fbf76.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0910_zps837a8356.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0911_zps06d77fc6.jpg)

As you can see, only some very light scratching and minor rust.
I'll be using wood for scale material this time and as yet have not decided which.
Seeing it's an experiment, probably not something too exotic, and something I have a decent quantity of. But something a bit nice. Hmmm, probably should sleep on it and have a look in my wood box tomorrow. Take some blocks to work tomorrow evening and slice a few blanks off with the bandsaw...  Snakewood? Brown Mallee burl? or there's that piece of Red Gum... keep guessing.
Title: A nice serving of leftovers...
Post by: PTRSAK on November 30, 2014, 03:38:32 PM
Oh, and a slight derail of my own thread.

Another job I have on at the moment is building one nice 84mm SAK from several donor knives. Blade from this, Awl and Openers from that, Corkscrew from the other, Scissors from over there and Small Blade from somewhere else again.
As you can imagine, break down 4 or 5 SAKs but only pick out parts to build one from the pile and you have a LOT of leftovers.
Search through that pile and pick out the "next best" of everything and it's surprising what you can put together.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0903_zps805ff5f7.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0908_zps5e26d2d0.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0906_zps4ee069a2.jpg)

Bear in mind that so far in this thread all the work has been on knives and parts saved from the junk pile and you can imagine what will be coming down the pipeline once I start working on the good stuff, I can't wait to see it all myself.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: toolguy on November 30, 2014, 04:49:58 PM
The Lazarus knife.LOL.

The micarta that you've selected works really well.

Great work and thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jerseydevil on November 30, 2014, 05:10:40 PM
:popcorn:

This will be fun to see......
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Grathr on November 30, 2014, 06:22:58 PM

:popcorn:

This will be fun to see......

+1


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Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Huntsman on December 01, 2014, 05:59:38 AM
Nice one PTR

Looking forward to this  :D - I love your work  ;)

Guess you will be thinking through your plans for the Three Face Wenger restoration project and one other very carefully given another recent post/thread on the forum  ???  :-\
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: firiki on December 01, 2014, 12:25:14 PM
This thread should be marked X-rated...  :popcorn:
Definitely!

:popcorn:

:drool:

 :ahhh
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 01, 2014, 04:26:41 PM
Peter how thick are the springs on those old boys, they look MASSIVE.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 01, 2014, 04:49:42 PM
an old photo of an old refurb

Before

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T_wunRVvrgU/TUBMGu95LlI/AAAAAAAACUA/PMnWDl7j6dI/w873-h652-no/k_before.bmp)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QApK1IjLQK8/TUBMHGea-LI/AAAAAAAACUA/rCUIuH5gFJM/w800-h565-no/k_stripped.bmp)

After

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vwhpHOyn1hE/TUBMGxuVgOI/AAAAAAAAHHg/XueJcAI4Wwk/w800-h602-no/k_clean.bmp)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6mmzcivH8AM/TUBMHRVKB_I/AAAAAAAACUA/sy_ltGpvE1M/w800-h408-no/k_pinned2.bmp)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oJDeuQFB3lc/TUBMHsyxQhI/AAAAAAAACUA/Y96FaObm_Hs/w800-h427-no/k_pinned.bmp)

If cleaned up ok :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-c3AlrfRL-RI/TWEEWMs19PI/AAAAAAAAIKQ/6ezywnnvI8I/w869-h652-no/P1130436.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p_D-0aFHJZc/TWEEU1u6xhI/AAAAAAAACUA/rR_0yeH1_3s/w1085-h502-no/P1130422.JPG)

This was done by Russel White over on British Blades
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 01, 2014, 06:04:52 PM
Nice restore!

The great thing about old metal parts is there is still nice new steel underneath, just need to apply elbow grease and make them look pretty again.   :tu:

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: pfrsantos on December 01, 2014, 06:19:41 PM
I thought this thread was about me. I feel cheated.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Dexter on December 01, 2014, 06:24:16 PM
Wow! That's a keeper...  :drool:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 01, 2014, 06:59:10 PM
 :drool: oh wow, jaydar that carbon fiber is beautiful!!

And PTRSAK keep up the good work! JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 02, 2014, 10:09:47 AM
A couple of quick pics on the progress on the no disassembly scale replacement experiment.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141202_190045_zpson9svq88.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141202_190045_zpson9svq88.jpg.html)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141202_190026_zpslfz1hbgc.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141202_190026_zpslfz1hbgc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: firiki on December 02, 2014, 10:28:39 AM
The scales look perfectly good to me :tu:

:popcorn: :drool:  :ahhh

:)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on December 02, 2014, 11:33:54 AM
The scales look perfectly good to me :tu:

:popcorn: :drool:  :ahhh

:)

And to me.   :ahhh  :drool:  :ahhh   :tu:  :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 02, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
They need several more coats of oil and a lot of rubbing between. But I'm pleased with the fit, which was the object of the exercise.

Finished photos will follow eventually.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on December 02, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Your work looks excellent mate.  :salute:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 02, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Very nice work we will have to get you a WK stamp made up :)

What is the wood on that one it looks great and very much in keeping with the knife
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 02, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
Wow,looking GOOD! JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 02, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
Very nice work we will have to get you a WK stamp made up :)

What is the wood on that one it looks great and very much in keeping with the knife

The wood is She Oak. it doesn't show up very well in these photos but is has a really nice grain with some very bold figure in it.
I'll take some pics in better lighting with a real camera after I get several more coats of oil on it.
Unfortunately this was my last piece but I do have some even better looking species lurking in my wood box.

haha, love the idea of my own personal WK stamp ::)  but that would be just a little too cheeky methinks.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 02, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
and extra points to anybody who noticed that the scales on this one are "bookmatched" with the grain on each side being a mirror image.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 02, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Im trying to picture what those old ones would look like dressed in custom alox scales.  Would be a pain to make but for sure unique.   :think:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 02, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
Im trying to picture what those old ones would look like dressed in custom alox scales.  Would be a pain to make but for sure unique.   :think:

Would probably be better using one of the Inox ones with Aluminium scales. Not sure how the carbon steel would react.
A couple of these are stainless steel. There is a Elsener Schwyz stamped INOXYD and another that has a Wengerinox stamp. Unfortunately that one has a broken backspring on the driver/opener layer.

I do have one in pieces at the moment, just measured the blade backspring. It's 3.4mm thick.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 02, 2014, 05:13:22 PM

haha, love the idea of my own personal WK stamp ::)  but that would be just a little too cheeky methinks.

Maybe go for the simple cross circle stamp just showing a repair  :)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/tjYAAOSw0vBUe6tK/$_57.JPG?rt=nc)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 02, 2014, 05:28:05 PM
Im trying to picture what those old ones would look like dressed in custom alox scales.  Would be a pain to make but for sure unique.   :think:

Alox scales and black oxide tools ? :)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 02, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
Im trying to picture what those old ones would look like dressed in custom alox scales.  Would be a pain to make but for sure unique.   :think:

Alox scales and black oxide tools ? :)

There are all kinds of things that could be done.  BOing would be easy since they aren't stainless parts. 

I was just trying to picture what black alox with polished brass accent parts would look like.  Those old tools look so vicious.  The can opener looks like some sort of medieval disemboweling device.

Have past mods to this frame size just been to restore as is, or have people done anything crazy tool wise?
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 03, 2014, 03:38:57 AM
more oiling and natural light shows the grain much better.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0915_zpsc1cdb2c1.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0913_zps5a390205.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0918_zps4df944a3.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jerseydevil on December 03, 2014, 03:48:02 AM
 :drool:  Beautiful!  I really like the grain on that wood.  :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 03, 2014, 04:09:59 AM
:drool:  Beautiful!  I really like the grain on that wood.  :tu:
I'll second that! Very nice wood! :tu: JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on December 03, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
Approved by zoidberg.  (http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/sparky_415/hammerc.gif)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: tattoosteve99 on December 03, 2014, 06:21:04 PM
You should send one of those to me :D
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 03, 2014, 07:29:09 PM
Im trying to picture what those old ones would look like dressed in custom alox scales.  Would be a pain to make but for sure unique.   :think:

Would probably be better using one of the Inox ones with Aluminium scales. Not sure how the carbon steel would react.
A couple of these are stainless steel. There is a Elsener Schwyz stamped INOXYD and another that has a Wengerinox stamp. Unfortunately that one has a broken backspring on the driver/opener layer.

I do have one in pieces at the moment, just measured the blade backspring. It's 3.4mm thick.

Right! I forgot that model was in both carbon and inox.  I guess the best 'warm' look would be brass but that would add alot of weight.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 05, 2014, 03:58:35 AM
Elsener Schwyz 43P with Bimble Box burl scales.


(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/3cfc4e6d-e50d-4805-876e-510398c4e484_zps29bada8f.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/60a04af6-3a61-48ac-a117-6353047d0749_zps65bb48d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 05, 2014, 04:00:07 AM
 :drool: :drool: :drool: so nice!!
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on December 05, 2014, 04:02:29 AM
This thread delivers.  :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 05, 2014, 04:07:57 AM
This thread delivers.  :tu:
Delivers what?
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jerseydevil on December 05, 2014, 04:20:55 AM
Again, beautiful!  :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 05, 2014, 04:28:52 AM
So which one are you going to EDC? :D
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 05, 2014, 05:02:48 AM
So which one are you going to EDC? :D

Currently giving an undated Elsener Schwyz  INOXYD one with worn but uncracked scales some pocket time.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Glofindel on December 05, 2014, 06:03:49 AM
Another great thread from Peter. Salute!!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: firiki on December 05, 2014, 10:50:20 AM
:tu: Lovely, just lovely. I have no words to express how badly this thread makes me drool :drool:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 08, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Okay, just a teaser. not completed this one yet, it's a special little knife as it's like an early "Farmer" so I used the last of my Red Mallee burl on it.
more/better pic's when it's complete.


(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0925_zps1d3889d4.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 08, 2014, 01:45:32 PM
Aww man, freakning beautiful!! JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: zoidberg on December 08, 2014, 10:08:20 PM
Aww man, freakning beautiful!! JR

+1  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 08, 2014, 11:46:42 PM
Wow that looks nice!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 11, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Damn I'm good. 
Saw layer replacement spring made from Florist's knife backspring. Fully functional and it fits in without looking out of place.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0931_zps3adf8a07.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0932_zps741944c9.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0934_zps9de68709.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0935_zpscd33885a.jpg)


so, a little more final polishing and that's two out of the five commission pieces done

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0936_zpsb89d99a8.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0928_zpsf55bbe71.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 11, 2014, 10:58:32 AM

Pretty stunning looking knives .... and a magnificent repair  .... someone is very very lucky  ;)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: ducttapetech on December 11, 2014, 12:45:06 PM
Wow! I will even say it backwards. Wow!
Nice work!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: magentus on December 11, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
 :salute: :drool: :tu: :salute:  :drool::tu: :salute: :drool: :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: firiki on December 11, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
Damn you're good! :tu:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 11, 2014, 01:49:50 PM
NICE! Good job :tu: JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Huntsman on December 12, 2014, 11:15:54 AM
Damn I'm good. 
Saw layer replacement spring made from Florist's knife backspring. Fully functional and it fits in without looking out of place.
Don't think anyone would argue with that PTR !!
But was the saw itself new to the knife?  If so from where did it come ? Or was it original with a broken spring?
Not that I'm an expert - But haven't seen a Soldier with a saw before.

PS. Did I already say this?? Love your work/this thread :)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 12, 2014, 01:56:11 PM
Damn I'm good. 
Saw layer replacement spring made from Florist's knife backspring. Fully functional and it fits in without looking out of place.
Don't think anyone would argue with that PTR !!
But was the saw itself new to the knife?  If so from where did it come ? Or was it original with a broken spring?
Not that I'm an expert - But haven't seen a Soldier with a saw before.

PS. Did I already say this?? Love your work/this thread :)

The saw came with the knife but its not a soldier its a range victorinox did of light weight soldier type knives if you look at the fantastic 1942 catalog on the sakwiki this would be knife number 310 knife 200 on the same page is a standard size 1908

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=3314&scalesize=o)

I have linked the photo for ease of viewing hope that is ok  but the whole catalog if fantastic to look through

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Swiss+Army+Knife+Catalogs

The knives are great but the scales on them are the same as the soldier and in the thinner size they are not very robust at all 95% of these knives I have seen the scales are off the liners.

This is one of my favorite knives of this era (the 1908 is fantastic but its a bit heavy for day to day) but my only perfect versions are so delicate I dont like to carry them without a pouch
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Huntsman on December 12, 2014, 04:00:06 PM
Hey Thanks for the info JD
Love these old knives - possibly even more when PTR does them up!!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: papercut on December 17, 2014, 03:54:26 AM
What a nice Xmas treat to see this thread. PTR is a real master!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 22, 2014, 02:19:13 PM
The second and better condition small Soldier/old Farmer knife.

Also in Red Gum, but a lighter coloured piece. To add a little interest this one has a thin ebony spacer which gives a black pinstripe effect.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141222_230406_zpsgjqt14ca.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141222_230434_zpsnwtbi9by.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141222_230618_zps9tud7cuz.jpg)


just one to finish, an 84mm "small Climber" assembled from the best bits of at least 5 donor SAKs.  Should have mugshots of that one up tomorrow. Along with some pics of the mint 1908 with its new red gum clothes.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 22, 2014, 04:03:18 PM
 :tu: nice job!
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 22, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_052445_zpsdravw6zk.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141223_052445_zpsdravw6zk.jpg.html)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_052459_zpsrcormzgi.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141223_052459_zpsrcormzgi.jpg.html)

The big one.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 22, 2014, 11:11:39 PM
Very nice work!  :clap:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 23, 2014, 12:05:03 AM
Some of the next "challenge"...

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/output_zpsdqwcvnwc.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/output_zpsdqwcvnwc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 23, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
84mm "Climber"  Elsener Schwyz

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_213559_zpsm3zup3ur.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_213723_zpsfadr2met.jpg)

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 23, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
All five done, just a few more coats of oil and we'll be finished.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_214314_zpsskcfwq7v.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 23, 2014, 01:06:55 PM
Seeing I needed to poach an opener/driver layer backspring from one of the next batch of 1908s to repair a rather nice condition Wengerinox I am left with an incomplete knife.
Not wanting to waste this classic steel I am going to create something that I'm not sure ever existed... a 1908 Solo.  One layer, Blade and Awl only.

trial fit up.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_212908_zpspxs7dd3n.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 25, 2014, 06:19:28 AM
Well, I've even surprised myself with this one.

Remember the group "before pic"

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/output_zpsdqwcvnwc.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/output_zpsdqwcvnwc.jpg.html)
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This is a prime example of how well good quality steel cleans up with a bit of work.

Undated 1908 pattern "Victoria Switzerland" tang stamp. Finished with African Ebony scales.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0946_zps544fff16.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0947_zps7d82d9ec.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0948_zps654cb243.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0950_zps523a2e39.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0951_zps928afeb0.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0952_zps5d9f47b0.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0954_zpsdaf086c3.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0955_zps50c4c3d3.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0972_zps7698b7d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Higgins617 on December 25, 2014, 06:27:48 AM
I'm sure you don't need me to say this, but damn do you have skill my friend. Nothing better than seeing quality old items getting the new lease on life they deserve
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 25, 2014, 07:05:45 AM
Thanks, I really enjoy the "Trash into Treasure" transformation. Even more than dressing up what are already pretty knives.

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 25, 2014, 07:16:40 AM
All five done, just a few more coats of oil and we'll be finished.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141223_214314_zpsskcfwq7v.jpg)

Individual pic's of the "Swiss family Robinsak" ready for the trip back to their homeland.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0958_zpsae68b175.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0959_zps625bf9d5.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0960_zps0f948422.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0961_zps3024dbc3.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0962_zps07184d47.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0963_zpsd7c22b2e.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0965_zpsdf023811.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0966_zps70c6a575.jpg)

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0968_zps582c269a.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0969_zpsa80fc37d.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on December 25, 2014, 10:44:18 AM
They are fantastic ..... A stunning set :)

Oh and looking forward to see your one layer knife it should be great

The ebony one has come up great considering its aprox 100 years old and had a hard life :)

Did you slim down the scales a little ? It really suits the wood
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: enki_ck on December 25, 2014, 10:50:56 AM
Stunning work, Peter. :tu:

Really liked following this thread. :D So when's the next batch of basket cases coming? :whistle:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 25, 2014, 11:35:18 AM
Stunning work, Peter. :tu:

Really liked following this thread. :D So when's the next batch of basket cases coming? :whistle:

Well, I still have five or six 1908 soldiers to work on and a few 84mm and 91mm old awl SAKs to build from a pile of donor parts, so stay tuned to this thread.

After that lot runs out, I will have to talk to my pusher.  er,  dealer... er contact. ;-)

(http://api.ning.com/files/HTKb1rusxvNkWc8ZfE3*9gXImVFPZHfUQ0czh-mTSmWkBzIvC8-JiydeXR0lPcdzhlUppqZJqmWO922eU83q5dHZ5nkSpHJs/4221247483.jpg)

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 26, 2014, 02:53:03 AM
"Leftovers" Solo  no tang stamp,  green canvas micarta

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0976_zps4aa6ebb9.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0975_zpseac1ee5f.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0977_zps3a5e5b39.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 26, 2014, 03:20:38 AM
Yet another good job :tu:
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: papercut on December 26, 2014, 02:14:04 PM
A nice post Xmas thread too!  Fantastic!

What did you do with the "BO" Wenger with the jank scales I sent you several months ago?
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Syph007 on December 26, 2014, 03:58:15 PM
I'm really enjoying this thread Peter keep it up! :D

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 27, 2014, 01:08:44 AM
A nice post Xmas thread too!  Fantastic!

What did you do with the "BO" Wenger with the jank scales I sent you several months ago?

That one went from this
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0183_zpsd0f4c080.jpg)

to this
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0195_zpsa378054a.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0201_zpse3d4da9b.jpg)

stripped, lightly cleaned, new brass liners made (old alumimium ones were falling apart), fibre scales "stabilised" with superglue and flattened and a bone shield made to fill the hole in the front scale. I kept the "natural BO" patina on the tools. With that and the original scales retained, once the brass ages a bit it will look really nice.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 27, 2014, 05:46:24 AM
ARMEE SUISSE  90mm officers knife.
Going by the tang stamps made between 1935 and 1942

Brown Mallee burl scales
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141227_142151_zpsvt2cbcsy.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141227_143713_zpsattz31fb.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: papercut on December 27, 2014, 09:06:06 AM
A nice post Xmas thread too!  Fantastic!

What did you do with the "BO" Wenger with the jank scales I sent you several months ago?

That one went from this
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0183_zpsd0f4c080.jpg)

to this
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0195_zpsa378054a.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0201_zpse3d4da9b.jpg)

stripped, lightly cleaned, new brass liners made (old alumimium ones were falling apart), fibre scales "stabilised" with superglue and flattened and a bone shield made to fill the hole in the front scale. I kept the "natural BO" patina on the tools. With that and the original scales retained, once the brass ages a bit it will look really nice.

Wow!  Great rehab job. I love the bone shield too!  Definately new life in that one.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 28, 2014, 09:58:51 AM
A little brother to the previous one, but this one still in original scales
84mm ARMEE SUISSE "Tourist" pattern with yellow brass liners

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0983_zpsd72a8ecf.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0982_zpsa6b34ebd.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0986_zps8474cdea.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_0987_zps498ef1db.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 28, 2014, 01:45:36 PM
A little brother to the previous one, but this one still in original scales
84mm ARMEE SUISSE "Tourist" pattern with yellow brass liners


My bad, this one is nickel silver liners, the yellow brass liners are in another one being built.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 28, 2014, 02:17:24 PM
In the spirit of "full disclosure" this one is a "build up" from the pile of parts.
But it's a cool little Climber small with +ARMEE SUISSE tang stamped blade, old-skool 84mm scissors. (okay, with non period spring::)) and original Horn scales.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/Img_0996_zps15587148.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_1003_zpsc19cb2f5.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_1001_zps709175aa.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: firiki on December 29, 2014, 02:00:36 PM
That's right, turn the knife in the wound even further :drool: :tu:

PS: The "Leftovers" Solo, no tang stamp, green canvas micarta ? Awesome.
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: SAKchief on December 30, 2014, 01:14:50 AM
Awesome work mate. :tu:

Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on December 31, 2014, 06:56:47 AM
A second ebony 1908. This one a Wenger.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141231_114618_zpsawrremro.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141231_114618_zpsawrremro.jpg.html)

three more to come
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on December 31, 2014, 07:04:31 AM
A second ebony 1908. This one a Wenger.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20141231_114618_zpsawrremro.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20141231_114618_zpsawrremro.jpg.html)

three more to come
Very nice! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on January 01, 2015, 12:58:58 PM
Just to keep things interesting, I decided to make the scales for this undated Elsener Schwyz out of Buffalo horn. I was getting bored with ebony... NOT.
Going by Ulli's tang stamp chart, the font used in the tang stamp appears to date this one as pre-1931.

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150101_213412_zps3stjzemv.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150101_213548_zpsdquyiwh3.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150101_213509_zpsry9ktgxc.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 01, 2015, 05:14:42 PM
 :tu: nice!
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: Schneider on January 01, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
Excellent thread and work there PTRSAK. :hatsoff:
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on January 02, 2015, 03:42:12 PM
running total of the "Box of death" knives...

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/IMG_1006_zps99714863.jpg)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: MadPlumbarian on January 02, 2015, 07:13:07 PM
Wow, they look great! :tu:
JR
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: jaydar on January 14, 2015, 10:55:22 PM
Picked up this today ..... and I love it :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0TvYMg1n978/VLbhH_EoQYI/AAAAAAAAIvQ/X5ceojGlMbY/s912/P1010268.JPG)

keeping it safe :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-szV7_BS_5vg/VLbhIs_91iI/AAAAAAAAIvY/4lbcW9whKyM/s912/P1010269.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-puyZuXuPvf8/VLbhKCW0GII/AAAAAAAAIvo/VoSCQw2yjGs/s912/P1010271.JPG)

this shows the beautiful combination of brass steel red gum and ebony

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yi3oVnatAsM/VLbhL1PN1fI/AAAAAAAAIv4/ni1TX5lHrwA/s912/P1010279.JPG)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-66koxzvi74w/VLbf7Xai7zI/AAAAAAAAIvE/5xUUR-QJCws/s912/P1010281.JPG)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-lQYcn8WmYaM/VLbf4bwYHII/AAAAAAAAIuk/zUM6ik0QjPo/s912/P1010277.JPG)

Not great photos but this is the best knife I own :)

Oh and 91mm.

This model has been a favorite of mine but the standard scales are so delicate it is not useable ... these are rock solid :)
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: papercut on January 20, 2015, 08:15:24 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Breathing new life into 70 year old basket cases
Post by: PTRSAK on January 20, 2015, 09:31:01 AM
This one is more of a repair than anything else. It's an undated Wengerinox and had a broken backspring in the opener layer.
I measured up the spring thickness from the five "Box of Death" knives and took the closest to replace the broken spring. This left me with the parts that I built the 1908 Solo from.

Yes, technically I have used a carbon spring in an inox knife, but hey, it's fixed... sue me.

I wanted to retain the original fibre scales but the material around the holes wasn't in the best of shape. I drilled the holes oversize and made up some plugs from scrap scales. These were glued in with superglue and then sanded back to the original contour.

Again, Yes, you can see where it was done, but it's still more original than newly made wood scales.

So, on with the pictures...  which for some reason look like they were taken with a potato. :facepalm:

(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_174927_zpssrjuzn84.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_174914_zpsaytcqz3c.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175008_zpscilsts0g.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175130_zpsaspfym3g.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175212_zps51ezxlzn.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175225_zpsffcdgbfl.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175309_zpsl0bcyme3.jpg)
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20150120_175451_zpspwj25w8r.jpg)