Post by: Huntsman on July 08, 2016, 06:38:18 AM
Well here is the first of my NLC giveaways with a bottle opener poll
And nicely timed for the MTo 10th Anniversary BO challenge, and hopefully a bit of fun.
Bottle Openers are a feature of nearly every MT of every type... And I never realised there were so many until I looked at the BO challenge last year.
But the question is ‘What is the worst MT Bottle Opener?’
I have put a list up there of common BOs that I am familiar with
– If your worst BO is not in the list please let me know and I will put it up.
I have grouped lots of BOs together as I believe they are the same - eg the Vic/Wenger 85/91/93/111/130;
- Likewise the regular LM BOs (Wave, ST, Charge, PST etc etc) and all OPTs (they seem the same to me), although I did put the Timberline OPT in the list – Why – See the 2016 BO challenge here:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,67123.msg1295537.html#msg1295537
If you disagree with the groupings (in terms of worst BO) again let me know and I will add it to the list.
I have allowed people to change their one vote, in case a tool is missed in the earlier lists and you want to vote for it later
What are the prizes?
Well we have gone very blue - A Victorinox Rambler (left) and a Victorinox Rally (right), both tools appropriately containing a BO!
Both are second hand. Not such a generous GAW – Wait for the main GAW for that!!
(http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/SAKHuntsman/GAW/GAW%20BO_zpssacdo1tb.jpg) (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/SAKHuntsman/media/GAW/GAW%20BO_zpssacdo1tb.jpg.html)
So what do I have to do to win?
Firstly, note ‘I’m in’ and tell me whether you prefer the Rambler, or Rally, or don’t mind.
Secondly, tell me (us) your worst BO story - and while you are at it, optionally, you may want to tell us your favourite MT BO and why.
No need for a list – I will probably add one just before the end to make sure we have everybody.
We’ll run the poll and GAW for a couple of weeks
I am departing from the usual ‘draw for a GAW’ and will select my favourite two stories – I would also prefer these MTs to go to our SAK sceptic members. ;) - So they get to try a wonderful Vic keychain tool!
Note: However, I reserve the right to wimp out of selecting and just do a draw.
To me there is a clear winner of this poll – But let’s see what you all think.
Here’s my second worst story - I was not too keen on the regular LM BOs – If you use it with handles folded the bottom handle often prevents the opener hook getting under the cap rim. However, using the tool with the handles open fixes that – So I will excuse LM. ;)
I have two favourites, for the same reason, and hard to admit as a SAK man!
The LM Skele, and Gerber Dime
Why? The both work brilliantly first time, every time, and you do not need to open anything to get at the BO, so very convenient!!
Thoroughly well designed tools. :tu:
Post by: zoidberg on July 08, 2016, 07:33:03 AM
Terrible bottle openers, how about the CrossCut?
I was going to suggest another but that more falls into the worst toolmaker category.
Right where was I, oh yeah, Rambler all the way baby.
Worst stories, where to start?
Popping caps with a spanner all arvo long for the boys, pretty girl walks in, last of the fancy beers, I smack the cap off taking half the bottle neck with it...
Drunk at pretty girl's place, with super slickness I chip the fancy stone bench top...
North Island garage party, open beer for pretty girl spilling a little on her, she pours it down my top, I dowse her with the keg catcher bucket...
Will that do?
Best bottle opener, I'm really liking the one on the Signal, it works real good.
Thanks for joining in on the fun and hosting a giveaway, happy tenth anniversary Huntsman. :cheers: :cheers:
Post by: Alan K. on July 08, 2016, 07:47:13 AM
Post by: rdub934 on July 08, 2016, 07:54:16 AM
I think the bottle opener on the Wave is crappy. It punctures the cap before you can get the cap off! And that leads me to my story. I was working at my site for my first Christmas in Montana. A chef, six cops, a few of their family members, and myself as the Facility Manager. The Chef had prepared a magnificent feast (okay, it was barely edible (had to drink the yams from a mug)) and as we were laying all the food out we came to the bottles of sparkling grape juice. Somehow, in the entire kitchen, not one bottle opener. No problem - I've got my Wave. I torque down and a narrow jet of purple foam streaks across the room and into the lounge, narrowly missing a few of our guests. I yanked the bottle up to divert the stream, putting a beautiful splattered line of grape juice on the ceiling tiles :D
Probably my favorite opener is the Gerber Octane :tu:
Thanks for the chance, Huntsman :salute:
Post by: Etherealicer on July 08, 2016, 07:56:02 AM
Post by: strmliner on July 08, 2016, 07:57:09 AM
Post by: strmliner on July 08, 2016, 07:59:06 AM
Actually, the Gerber keychain family Shortcut/Clutch/Mini-Suspension/BG Compact Multi/Splice tools, while I like them a bunch, their BO is almost worthless!
And BTW, I'm in...love Ramblers.
Congratulations on joining the NLC and thanks for the GAW... :hatsoff:
Post by: dks on July 08, 2016, 08:04:28 AM
Post by: Corwyn on July 08, 2016, 08:23:38 AM
Worst bottle lifter I saw was the Gerber MP600. I was waiting in a queue with wifey, I pulled out the big flicky to pop the cap it failed 3 times.. she started laughing at me and cursing my dumb knives and all the money I spend on them so I blushed and pulled out the Victorinox Rogue who did quick work of it.
Post by: ddogu on July 08, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
Congrats on NLC and thank you for the great kindness. I don't have a Rambler so I am in.
Worst bottle lifter I saw was the Gerber MP600. I was waiting in a queue with wifey, I pulled out the big flicky to pop the cap it failed 3 times.. she started laughing at me and cursing my dumb knives and all the money I spend on them so I blushed and pulled out the Victorinox Rogue who did quick work of it.
:rofl: lol that sounds like a bad moment
Among the ones I used LM Wave's opener is the worst for me. The tools needs to stay flipped open (flip opened? :think: ) if you wanna use the BO, otherwise the lower handle prevents you from getting to the cap. Also, as rdub934 mentioned, it punctures the cap unless you are boringly careful.
Post by: Sea Monster on July 08, 2016, 09:27:51 AM
It's not up there that I saw, but the one on my PST probably causes me the most grief.
I don't have a great story about one time it pierced the lid, caused the pressure in the bottle to shoot it out of my hand and knock granny's teeth out or anything, but it's still annoying.
Post by: TazzieRob on July 08, 2016, 09:43:50 AM
I'm in for the Rambler :cheers:
Really hate the LM bottle opener, as it is a can opener masquerading as a bottle opener masquerading as a can opener, it has to be accessed by opening the tool first, and the bevel is on the wrong side for a right handed person (score win for the lefties?).
Not a bottle related story but a soft drink / pop can story. Got a can of cola out of the fridge and as I opened it, it sprayed everywhere, up my sleeve, all over the kitchen.... The can had gotten too cold in the fridge and started to ice up, creating excess pressure
Post by: magentus on July 08, 2016, 10:03:04 AM
I once tried to open a bottle with the can opener which resulted in a pierced cap and egg on my face.
Post by: Kampfer on July 08, 2016, 10:16:23 AM
I don't drink beer, but all the opener on my MT work just fine.
Post by: ddogu on July 08, 2016, 12:38:12 PM
Nice GAW Huntsman :salute: Being a SAK Zealot I will duck out so someone skeptical benefits.
I once tried to open a bottle with the can opener which resulted in a pierced cap and egg on my face.
How did that happen?? :rofl:
Post by: SteveC on July 08, 2016, 01:50:01 PM
Post by: firiki on July 08, 2016, 02:11:55 PM
I'm staying out as I already have all the 58mm Vics I need, I just wanted to add that I voted for that Timberline thing which I very begrudgingly accept to call a MT...
Post by: pfrsantos on July 08, 2016, 02:19:29 PM
:cheers: :drink:
Thanks for the opportunity, I'm all in for the Rambler. I already got a Rally, but I don't carry it very often because I miss the scissors.
8) 8)
As for the worse BO, I'd say the one coming from me, when I'm huffing and puffing, trying to open a nice cold bottle of beer with the Vic combo tool. The goddamn forsaken piece of... metal... is always twisting to one side and sliding and not gripping at the cap! Most of the times, I end up using it as a lever, using my thumb as pivot point. Like this:
(http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/670px-Open-a-Bottle-Without-a-Bottle-Opener-Step-201.jpg)
When young and foolish, sometimes I'd go like this, just to show off:
(http://culturacolectiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/asx-.gif)
Admit it...
Show content
I was damn pretty, huh?...
:D :D
:D :D
Post by: Aberdrew13 on July 08, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
Post by: danilo on July 08, 2016, 07:00:22 PM
I've voted the gerber dime, at first look I thought that would be a nice working BO, but upon testing it, it's a pity, worst than the charge one (that at least, when you've discovered how to maneuver, works).
The best BO hands down, is the victorinox one, works like a charm on the first try, every single time. It's better than certain dedicated BO I have in the kitchen.
I haven't tried them all, so I may be missing something here!
Thanks for the generosity, and good luck everybody.
Danilo
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 08, 2016, 07:22:24 PM
Worst (to me) is hands down the Leatherman cap lifter/bottle opener. It makes a pretty good can opener, but I hate using it as a bottle opener with a passion.
Which leads to my worst BO opening story. Was visiting my father, and went to get a couple beers, when I realized I didn't know where the bottle opener was. "No problem" i thought, and pulled out my bright ORANGE FUSE, and proceeded to completely fail at opening the beer, right in front of my dad, his girlfriend, and my fiance :doh:. Got laughed at by the entire company, and i sheepishly opened the beer with the opener my dad slid across the counter.
I have to admit, the best opener is on the Skeletool. It is a great bottle opener, an OK knife, and a very uncomfortable pair of pliers (which is why I don't own one).
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 08, 2016, 07:53:03 PM
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/One-Piece-Tools/Mission-Critical-Tools/101_4699.JPG?m=1375996946)
Def
Post by: WoodsDuck on July 08, 2016, 08:06:59 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 08, 2016, 08:09:41 PM
Post by: lichan on July 08, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
Post by: ddogu on July 08, 2016, 11:42:52 PM
I'm in for the Rambler. I'll go with the Leatherman bottle opener, also. I once tried to open a beer in a group of friends and managed to poke a hole in the lid. To save face, I rotated the bottle and punched it again. After using the pliers to widen the hole, I put in a straw, trying to act all continental! I was known as strawman after that.
Sir, you literally made me laugh out loud :))
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 08, 2016, 11:58:13 PM
Def
Post by: Yalius on July 09, 2016, 04:25:17 AM
Can't understand the hate for the standard LM combo. It bites nicely into the cap, doesn't ever slip, has plenty of leverage... never ever takes more than one try. Works a lot better than the Vic one. The Vic is too short and tends to just bend the crimped portion of the cap rather than actually lifting it.
Post by: Poncho65 on July 09, 2016, 04:39:36 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on July 09, 2016, 05:21:20 AM
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The can had gotten too cold in the fridge and started to ice up, creating excess pressure
Yes.....
My work released a PSA about leaving soft drinks in the freezer.
Apparently it's a serious issue (or it happened one time, and someone particularly sensitive got coke on their microwave meal and it became the lawsuit of the century, I don't know how these things work)
Post by: Yadda on July 09, 2016, 07:47:13 AM
Post by: kaput on July 09, 2016, 08:08:26 AM
Bad bottle opener story? I struggled trying to get a cap off a blue moon with a lighter when someone said let me see it. Thinking they'd nicely take the cap off with a bottle opener of sorts... And they just twisted it off, it's a twist off. Shoulda known, blue moons owned by Budweiser right? :rofl: pretty embarrassing trying to use a bottle opener on an undeserving foe and/or beverage.
Thanks
Post by: Tomcat_81 on July 09, 2016, 10:55:38 AM
I've heard some people complain about them, but I don't touch them myself...
Post by: dks on July 09, 2016, 01:33:08 PM
Post by: Aberdrew13 on July 09, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff210/aberdrew13/20160709_074040_zpsanbrgl2n.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/aberdrew13/media/20160709_074040_zpsanbrgl2n.jpg.html)
Post by: dks on July 09, 2016, 02:54:40 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on July 09, 2016, 02:56:33 PM
Who complained about the Swiza bottle opener?IIRC we both found it working but not good or great... but then, opening a bottle is a task so easy even a classic or a BIC lighter can do it.
Post by: dks on July 09, 2016, 03:14:16 PM
Post by: Tomcat_81 on July 09, 2016, 09:36:13 PM
Any thoughts on the Swizas?Phew, and here I am, unable to find the threads and video I was talking about - someone, I'm quite sure it was here on the forum, tried to open a bottle and simply couldn't hook into the small notches. And there was a Youtube-Video complaining about the same issue... Can't find it at the moment, but I keep on looking :-\
I've heard some people complain about them, but I don't touch them myself...
Post by: TazzieRob on July 10, 2016, 01:35:39 AM
Can't understand the hate for the standard LM combo. It bites nicely into the cap, doesn't ever slip, has plenty of leverage... never ever takes more than one try. Works a lot better than the Vic one. The Vic is too short and tends to just bend the crimped portion of the cap rather than actually lifting it.
You must be one of the the exceptions here. I find the opener on my Vic Cadet very easy to use, even the one on the Rogue works fine if you make sure to engage it in one of the protruding "petals" of the crimp.
Post by: Huntsman on July 13, 2016, 06:11:40 AM
There is definitely a theme here - As opposed to ‘saving the day’ - like we MT people always want to do, we have caused ourselves some considerable embarrassment. :o
The great thing about these polls is that they can surprise you
Three surprises for me here:
- That the LM regular BO is the clear winner so far – I have never had any problems with it – I will retry it following this poll.
- That the LM Squirt is not the clear winner – As to me this is a truly terrible BO - I can never get it to work with less than three pulls, often more, and it always rips the cap to shreds. Maybe you have not experienced the Squirt! I think LM should completely redesign, or ditch, this tool. I am going to test it out again
- And Danilo’s worst BO was my best one – Weird!!
Here’s a pic of a Squirt attempt at opening a bottle - This one took four attempts. :o
(http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/SAKHuntsman/GAW/LM%20Squirt%20cap_zpsofibtnkn.jpg) (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/SAKHuntsman/media/GAW/LM%20Squirt%20cap_zpsofibtnkn.jpg.html)
My embarrassing story was during the Squirt challenge last year. As per the rules the Squirt was the only MT on my person. We were having drinks after work, and what I was dreading happened, I had to open a bottle with the Squirt. Fortunately my colleagues were relaxed and a little well-oiled and not scrutinising my struggles too closely, so I got away with it. I actually even scored a point or two as they were fascinated by the handy wee tool, and had a little play with it.
:multi:
A few other comments:
We should have gone straight to Def of course, for the answer to this poll - as the world expert on BOs. His two proposals are truly terrible. Putting a blade where your thumb goes on the Timberline is extraordinarily, in fact unforgivably, bad design. :twak: And you can see just by looking at the ‘Mission Critical’ (ha ha), that it would never work :rofl: – Although I wondered if the top loop would work??
To Outback – The Manager is not explicitly mentioned as the tool is the standard Vic 58mm opener, which is in the list. Is that OK?
We’ll run this a little longer – But if no further interest I will summarise the ‘ins’, close and announce a winner.
Post by: Shuya on July 13, 2016, 07:57:22 AM
Post by: TazzieRob on July 13, 2016, 08:01:36 AM
Haven't had a chance to test out on a crown seal beverage since I thought of it
Post by: Fortytwo on July 13, 2016, 04:46:28 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on July 13, 2016, 09:15:18 PM
I have no idea who that IIRC bloke is, but he sounds wise...
IIRC stands for"If I Recall Correctly"
For me the worst offender is the Micra.
I had to open a "Douchese de Bourgogne" bottle today during meal time, just before taking this pic, and decided to wait for the frustratingly slow waiter to come with a bottle opener so as not to do a mess and have my sister laughing at me again t a public cafe...happened before with this tool.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM02336_zpstgcmuuw8.jpg)
That and the tweezers are what really spoil the Micra, an excellent, unrivaled keychain tool otherwise
Squirt (voted that) is equally awful IME
Post by: Smashie on July 13, 2016, 09:18:43 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 13, 2016, 09:20:07 PM
Squirt I've struggled with, but nowhere as near as much as the Juice which should be on the listIve never had any problems with the Juice bottle opener. Cans on the other hand, are just horrendous.
Post by: Smashie on July 13, 2016, 09:24:16 PM
Squirt I've struggled with, but nowhere as near as much as the Juice which should be on the listIve never had any problems with the Juice bottle opener. Cans on the other hand, are just horrendous.
I've not tried it on cans, but after a few bottles the juice just doesn't seem to work anymore :rofl:
Post by: Huntsman on July 13, 2016, 11:42:15 PM
LM seems to be taking quite a bit of stick on this!!
Will probably announce winners over the weekend
Post by: strmliner on July 14, 2016, 02:48:50 AM
Squirt I've struggled with, but nowhere as near as much as the Juice which should be on the listIve never had any problems with the Juice bottle opener. Cans on the other hand, are just horrendous.
Yep, I agree with slaughtermed on this one! :cheers:
And while the Gerber keychain tool line is very bad as BO's, the LM Squirt is atrocious! :drink:
Post by: Dragon Lord on July 15, 2016, 04:51:24 PM
The worst is the LM regular I think, That's not a dedicated bottle opener is a can opener, why do LM claim that's a bottle opener ???
The story: Once in my work they organized a party and I'm know as the "knife guy" so when the beers came out they ask for a bottle opener and all stare at me, So I ofcourse have to say I'll open them, so when I realize that day I didn't bring a SAK have no other choise to use my LM REV, I try 5 times to open the cap and make a hole on it with the can opener and decide to open it with the table:
https://youtu.be/fEeHVmtspKg
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 15, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
Post by: Padre on July 15, 2016, 10:02:35 PM
I don't consider Leatherman "bottle opener" even a bottle opener.
Its for cans. It looks like it and feels like it.
Leatherman just claim that It can open bottles and call it bottle opener.
But it is not.
Still IT CAN open bottles in a pinch. But I find the handles (or any object) better for bottle opening.
Usually I use my lighter for this, or Leatherman Brewzer.
They just say that it is a bottle opener to make one more tool in to make the tool sound better than it is,
and don't get me wrong, I love Leatherman. It is my choice over anything else.
I carry it every day. Even today I used my Wave over dozen times.
But this comparison is also not fair because of that.
Victorinox's have separate tools usually.
Physically larger "openers" (like Skeletools) are of course always better.
That is why I wont vote (and that is why I have to logout to follow the poll :) ).
By the way, who else really loves that wire stripper in the base of the so called "bottle opener"?
It has become one of my favorites in the Wave! Nobody ever gives it credit.
Have you ever stripped a wire with it? Go and try! Its really effective. Roll the wire just a little on the cutter, and slice, like you would with a knife, then turn the wire 180 degrees and slice again.
Always perfect cut with no force. Of course if you strip really large cable, then you'll need more force.
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 15, 2016, 11:51:39 PM
By the way, who else really loves that wire stripper in the base of the so called "bottle opener"?I do! Is my favorite part of the can openert, and the main reason the can opener gets to stay on my mods
It has become one of my favorites in the Wave! Nobody ever gives it credit.
Have you ever stripped a wire with it? Go and try! Its really effective. Roll the wire just a little on the cutter, and slice, like you would with a knife, then turn the wire 180 degrees and slice again.
Always perfect cut with no force. Of course if you strip really large cable, then you'll need more force.
Post by: Huntsman on July 16, 2016, 01:10:18 AM
But this comparison is also not fair because of that.
Victorinox's have separate tools usually.
Physically larger "openers" (like Skeletools) are of course always better.
That is why I wont vote (and that is why I have to logout to follow the poll :) ).
Hi Padre
Thanks for your comments - I kind of agree with what you say - but not really ;)
And I don't understand the paragraph above.
Surely the point of a multitool, and every tool on a multitool, is to cram as much functionality as possible into the smallest space possible, but still keeping the tool operational and effective.
It is quite common for tools to double up, or triple up, on function.
I could say to you that Vic do not have a dedicated BO !! It's a screw driver, or I could say it's a pry bar. ;)
And all this is kind of touching on the reason for my poll!
Sometimes I believe the MT designers get it wrong, and cram in too much functionality - so that a function is not effective, and/or just design a bad function in a tool !! .... And possibly the manufacturer should not claim that function!
I certainly believe this is the case for the LM Squirt !!
And my personal view on the LM Wave etc 'can opener'.
Yes it is more of a CO than a BO - But I believe it works OK as a BO. Lots of people here think it is a pretty bad BO.
So come on vote :salute:
PS. I love the wire stripper too - although I only discovered it was there about 6 years after owning my Wave !! :o :twak:
And I have not used it a lot - Need to remember to use it more... :tu:
...... and this also back up my arguments above !! ie another function crammed into a tool
...... But this time a well designed effective one!! :D
Post by: Huntsman on July 18, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Thank you for all your stories and taking the time to comment and vote.
And as I suspected too many good stories, too many good people - So impossible for me to decide on the prize winners - So there will be a draw!!
Below is my list of those taking part in the GAW and their preferences.
Please check the list and make sure I have this correct.
There have been a few people who posted here - But did not declare - 'I'm in' (or out!!) - so your names are not in the list
Not surprisingly, nearly everyone is going for the Rambler - I cannot imagine a 58mm SAK (or any SAK for that matter) without scissors.
The GAW will be open until midnight MTo server time on the 19th July - To get any further partakers and corrections into the list.
I will announce a winner sometime on the 20th
Zoidy or ano mod - If you do catch this post please can you update the 2016 Pub Crawl post with the closing date - Thanks
Post by: Huntsman on July 20, 2016, 06:09:13 AM
Time to annnounce the winners and also a nice (hopefully) surprise.
I actually have two Ramblers - I was saving the other one for another occasion
- But what better occasion than giving to MTo friends in a GAW draw !!
So there will be two Rambler winners.
This brings me to one unexpected side effect of a GAW - You have to select a winner ??? ......... Oh no, I want everyone to win - Waaahhh :(
Anyway .........
Sea Monster wins the Rally - by default - as he was the only one who did not express a preference for the Rambler!!
Was that smart game play ;)
And the Ramblers go to ..................... Zoidy and pfrsantos.
As always - Winners, please PM me your address
Thanks again to everyone for voting, your comments, opinions and for your great stories - They all made me smile
I may do a little wrap up post on the bottle openers shortly
Post by: rdub934 on July 20, 2016, 06:17:07 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on July 20, 2016, 10:18:11 AM
:facepalm:
Poor Huntsman, has to ship the little fella across the world to get it to me.
I'll try for some pics when it arrives though.
Post by: zoidberg on July 20, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 20, 2016, 11:16:22 AM
Leatherman's social media threw a fit about the can opener being used for anything else other than opening cans... even after I posted a simple video demonstrating how easy it was. Threw them for a loop when I used the can opener for a striker device to start a fire with (my first ferrocerium try). And... it can be used for a fat-sided awl too.
Post by: Kev D on July 20, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
Post by: TazzieRob on July 21, 2016, 03:54:30 AM
:multi: FWIW, I've never had an issue using the Charge TTI or Wave opening bottle caps with the can opener. All one has to do is lay the flat side against the bottle cap and flip up.
Leatherman's social media threw a fit about the can opener being used for anything else other than opening cans... even after I posted a simple video demonstrating how easy it was. Threw them for a loop when I used the can opener for a striker device to start a fire with (my first ferrocerium try). And... it can be used for a fat-sided awl too.
Got a link to your vid? I think I understand what you're saying, more of a twisting action than a levering action?
Congrats to the winners. Though my preference is for the Rogue over the Rambler, Victorinox don't make them anymore.
Post by: strmliner on July 21, 2016, 07:03:22 AM
And congrats to the winners...pictures are required! :cheers:
Post by: Sea Monster on July 21, 2016, 07:13:38 AM
I think I've tried twice, but they're not showing up in my "sent items".
:-\
Edit: Oh wait, there's a checkbox for that.
Nevermind.
Sorry for the extra messages Huntsman.
Post by: pfrsantos on July 22, 2016, 03:59:46 PM
:cheers: :tu:
Post by: Etherealicer on July 22, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Thanks Huntsman :salute:
And congratz to the winners :cheers:
Post by: sLaughterMed on July 22, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
Post by: Huntsman on August 07, 2016, 09:10:39 AM
All cleaned, polished and oiled.
(http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y339/SAKHuntsman/GAW/IMG_0780_zpspglmsodc.jpg) (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/SAKHuntsman/media/GAW/IMG_0780_zpspglmsodc.jpg.html)
The reason for the delay will be explained in another thread!!
And of course I declare
- The winner to be the classic LM Bottle Opener – This came as a bit of a surprise
- Second place to the Squirt – Hoorah – This was my winner
One comment on the winner – I think the vast majority of members of this forum are Leatherman bods, and of that group probably all of us, have either a Wave, Charge, Supertool or such like. So maybe this tool won just coz more of us out there have this tool ???
And what else can we conclude from this GAW – Well it seems a lot of us are not very impressed with our MT bottle openers. :twak:
Maybe this is the classic multitool syndrome – In that every tool on a multitool is a compromise compared to a dedicated tool - I hate the use the term ‘real tool’ – as to me multitools are real tools!!
Of course some are very good compromises – some not so good – It seems that the bottle opener falls into the ‘not so good’ category!!
Maybe we would be better off using a dedicated tool like this one.
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Raistlin posted a very interesting thread on this very topic last year, giving a bar man’s perspective on a bottle opener, compared to a multitool fanatic's.
Although I think he meant ultimate not penultimate!!
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61974.0.html
Anyway in conclusion - For me - most of my MT BOs (with the exception of the Squirt of course!!) work pretty well and are probably one of my most used tools.
That’s all folks !!
Post by: TazzieRob on August 08, 2016, 08:40:09 AM
Raistlin posted a very interesting thread on this very topic last year, giving a bar man’s perspective on a bottle opener, compared to a multitool fanatic's.
Although I think he meant ultimate not penultimate!!
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61974.0.html
Anyway in conclusion - For me - most of my MT BOs (with the exception of the Squirt of course!!) work pretty well and are probably one of my most used tools.
That’s all folks !!
I think I have one of those in a kitchen drawer, but with all the other junk in there it is impossible to find. Got a full tang made in Japan opener that is much easier to lay hands on that works on the same design. Will take a pic if I remember, as it has some other features I don't know what for that someone may know
Post by: TazzieRob on August 08, 2016, 03:12:07 PM
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Post by: zoidberg on August 23, 2016, 11:08:00 AM
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Post by: Huntsman on August 23, 2016, 02:14:47 PM
Nice pic ....... of course ....... it's a Zoidy pic :D - I hope it serves you well.
Bit of a GAW :mail: day for you today eh? ....... Nice - Well done
Post by: Sea Monster on December 23, 2016, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: Huntsman on December 24, 2016, 06:37:40 AM
Don't forget to drop it off at my house on your way to Bobbin Head if you want it converted to a Rambler
I probably wont be in, but there should be somewhere to stash it - Let me know where - & Let me know if you need my address again
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Post by: Sea Monster on December 24, 2016, 09:03:25 AM
If you're still after a cheap steel signal mirror, I'll pop one of them along with it :P
For anyone not familiar with it - I can confirm that the 58mm Vic combo tool is excellent at opening bottles :)
Almost too good actually. :whistle:
Post by: zoidberg on July 08, 2017, 01:58:13 AM
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 08, 2017, 07:39:52 AM
Worst.. in no certain order..
• Teeth, yeah, bad bad BAD! :twak:
• Victorinox Manager, perty much like those you're giving away
• KHHI Scourge - it works if you don't cut yourself in a bad way first!
• Cement - seen the can opener version? bottle opener version is worse
• Anything Gerber is bad for anything, not just bottles
As for Leatherman Wave and such, y'all are serious wimps if you haven't figured out how to use the can opener as a bottle opener. :twak:
Use the angled flat side of the CO to open a bottle. Too many people need educated on how to use a multitool past its purposes. Man, hate to see them trying to use a Leatherman as a survival tool if their smurf was on the line. :ahhh I stitched boots back together when I was out on the fire line with a Super Tool! Did it on lunch break even, and that was using an awl & pliers. Saved my foot, saved my job, and been using an awl since. (Thread loops make the job easier now. Didn't have them then.) Even use the CO as a blade and hole punch. Oops, better put the cats back in the back. can't let too many secrets out. :P
Post by: El Corkscrew on July 08, 2017, 12:24:38 PM
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 08, 2017, 05:37:45 PM
:multi: FWIW, I've never had an issue using the Charge TTI or Wave opening bottle caps with the can opener. All one has to do is lay the flat side against the bottle cap and flip up.
Leatherman's social media threw a fit about the can opener being used for anything else other than opening cans... even after I posted a simple video demonstrating how easy it was. Threw them for a loop when I used the can opener for a striker device to start a fire with (my first ferrocerium try). And... it can be used for a fat-sided awl too.
Got a link to your vid? I think I understand what you're saying, more of a twisting action than a levering action?
Congrats to the winners. Though my preference is for the Rogue over the Rambler, Victorinox don't make them anymore.
Will have to make another video. Have one on the KHHI Scourge though. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDY2MSMaZcM
Post by: Huntsman on July 09, 2017, 12:55:53 AM
I'm still using this one.
That's reallly good to hear Zoidy.
As I have to admit to more than a tinge of regret when I sent if off to you. :cry:
After it was all cleaned up and polished, I realised I really liked the blue scales (did not have that colour), and I always like the metal inlays, even for advertising knives, and that Swisslube logo was pretty cool. :(
Anyway it was a good excuse to get another with blue handles - So I now have a Climber and Sportsman in blue :D
And I was very happy to help you out, after the unfortunate demise of your other Rambler ;)
.........
Victorinox Manager, perty much like those you're giving away
.........
As for Leatherman Wave and such, y'all are serious wimps if you haven't figured out how to use the can opener as a bottle opener. Use the angled flat side of the CO to open a bottle ........
Yep agreed re the LM - I was very surprised it won the poll - It always worked for me - And that is a great tip to slant the blade
Re the Manager that works fine too - I think you are a serious wimp if you cannot make that one work :pok: ;) :D :twak:
PS. Ziody - I knew you were still using the Rambler, BTW - As I spied it in the corner of one of your other piccies :tu:
Post by: Sea Monster on July 09, 2017, 01:09:44 AM
I'll be on the East Coast for the second half of July, and these pretzels are making me thirsty...
:whistle:
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 09, 2017, 09:15:58 PM
Victorinox Manager, perty much like those you're giving away
.........
As for Leatherman Wave and such, y'all are serious wimps if you haven't figured out how to use the can opener as a bottle opener. Use the angled flat side of the CO to open a bottle ........
Yep agreed re the LM - I was very surprised it won the poll - It always worked for me - And that is a great tip to slant the blade
Re the Manager that works fine too - I think you are a serious wimp if you cannot make that one work :pok: ;) :D :twak:
LOL. :duel: touché
Actually I've never even tried to use on a bottle. Generally reach for the Leatherman I'm carrying or the Climber. Manager is there more or less as a backup, mostly for the pen, knife, fixing nicked nails. With such a small opening figured of all the list it would been the worst.
Still carrying the Flair as daily work EDC. The butter knife makes for a great ice cream scooper ... till the stuff start melting. I gotta find me another short titanium spork!
Bet them finger popper would be the roughest to use.
Post by: danilo on July 09, 2017, 11:47:15 PM
the best, to me, is the victorinox one, the one om the swisstool with its extra reach is really handy, but the one on SAKs works flowlessy nonetheless.
one shot one kill
Post by: Don Pablo on July 10, 2017, 12:40:08 AM
I'm in for the rambler! the worst bottle opener out of the MT I have is the charge one, almost hopeless. Yes you can open a bottle with it, but hardly in just one try...Errr... The give away happened 365 days ago... I missed it too :drink:
the best, to me, is the victorinox one, the one om the swisstool with its extra reach is really handy, but the one on SAKs works flowlessy nonetheless.
one shot one kill
Post by: danilo on July 14, 2017, 03:27:59 PM
I'm in for the rambler! the worst bottle opener out of the MT I have is the charge one, almost hopeless. Yes you can open a bottle with it, but hardly in just one try...Errr... The give away happened 365 days ago... I missed it too :drink:
the best, to me, is the victorinox one, the one om the swisstool with its extra reach is really handy, but the one on SAKs works flowlessy nonetheless.
one shot one kill
yes, but I dislike it so much I wanted to tell it to the world nonethless...
Post by: cody6268 on July 14, 2017, 05:21:27 PM
Best are those on utility/camp/Scouts and SAKs where they're combined with a screwdriver.
Post by: Mechanickal on July 14, 2017, 10:28:29 PM
Is it even a combo tool or only a can opener? :shrug:
Anyway, friday evening = SAK evening!
Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 15, 2017, 04:56:28 AM
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 21, 2017, 04:22:58 AM
Post by: Sparkey on July 21, 2017, 06:43:53 AM
i voted squirt that was not good, but all time worst is swisstech utilii key thing, or whatever the name is, impossible to use and wants to chop your fingers off
+1 the guy who designed that should be forced to actually use it.
The vic bottle opener is the best I've found.
The weirdest is the carabiner one found on LM crater series knives.
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Post by: Outback in Idaho on July 21, 2017, 07:14:23 AM
i voted squirt that was not good, but all time worst is swisstech utilii key thing, or whatever the name is, impossible to use and wants to chop your fingers off
+1 the guy who designed that should be forced to actually use it.
The vic bottle opener is the best I've found.
The weirdest is the carabiner one found on LM crater series knives.
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Will have to bring a bottle home and try the LM K503x. Never used the carabiner for opening bottle, not the can opener on it.
Reason why I like the Vic Push Can Opener is one time I got a food box that had fruit in it. With the Leatherman Charge TTi it left these tiny metal splinters all about, and a few of those broke loose in my hands. They weren't noticed right away until they festered a few hours later. Then those suckers were painful. Used the Vic Can Opener on the same cheap smurf cans and no splinters!
I'd like to buy a modded Vic Can Opener that could drop-in to replace the Charge Can Opener if if it were at all possible. But then too, y'all are making the Swiss Tool look attractive past the slippery handles part. Spirit looks better. Wonder if the blacked out version gives a better grip?
Post by: Huntsman on November 25, 2017, 12:07:45 AM
Speaking of which.... :P
I'll be on the East Coast for the second half of July, and these pretzels are making me thirsty...
:whistle:
I was wondering if you'd show up when this thread resurfaced ;)
And I am soooooo sorry for the long delay
However your Rally has been magically converted to a Rambler
So now you just have to decide which scales you want: The original blue, classic red, or translucent red ....... As you are the Sea Monster maybe stick with the blue?
And let me know the address - Is it the same as last time ?
I hope this is a case of better late than never eh?
Post by: zoidberg on November 26, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 26, 2017, 12:14:42 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 26, 2017, 12:15:19 PM
Post by: Huntsman on November 26, 2017, 01:09:06 PM
From horses to helicopters ...... Wow
Post by: Don Pablo on November 26, 2017, 01:15:40 PM
Action man ZiodyI think I see "C-130" on the yoke(streering wheel)
From horses to helicopters ...... Wow
Post by: Mechanickal on November 26, 2017, 03:54:48 PM
Indeed!Action man ZiodyI think I see "C-130" on the yoke(streering wheel)
From horses to helicopters ...... Wow
Those buggers fly over my house once a week.
The F16's fly over during their landing all week and night training twice a week.
Anyway, are you a pilot zoid?
Post by: Don Pablo on November 26, 2017, 04:09:50 PM
I thought Z-Man was a sheep farmer? ???Indeed!Action man ZiodyI think I see "C-130" on the yoke(streering wheel)
From horses to helicopters ...... Wow
Those buggers fly over my house once a week.
The F16's fly over during their landing all week and night training twice a week.
Anyway, are you a pilot zoid?
Guess that shows how much I know. :rofl:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 26, 2017, 04:48:18 PM
Post by: ironraven on November 30, 2017, 03:02:06 AM
all time worst is swisstech utilii key thing, or whatever the name is, impossible to use and wants to chop your fingers off
+10, that whole thing is a menace.
Only thing worse is your teeth. The teeth of someone else.... depends on your mood.
Post by: sir_mike on November 30, 2017, 07:54:33 AM