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Non Tool Forum => The Break Room => Topic started by: kirk13 on August 16, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
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Enki made the mistake elsewhere of pointing out that there isn't a dedicated Star Trek thread...
Is get your geek on,and boldly go where MTo'er has gone before!
Qapla!
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and who better to start this thread .....our own Kirk !
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and who better to start this thread .....our own Kirk !
Oh no don't tell me he's the captain!
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Er,no,I far more a Picard,just with more hair
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You've got to love Star Trek, I really wish they'd make a new series soon :)
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What a coincidence, I was just reading this earlier today: http://thestartrekchronologyproject.blogspot.nl/
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Doesn't Kirk.. the Captain I mean, get all the women? :rofl:
Seriously (semi) tho, I abso-smurfing-lutely love Star Trek, every series has been a real treat :tu:
Live long an, um prosper :cheers:
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You've got to love Star Trek, I really wish they'd make a new series soon :)
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Yes,but in which timeline?
In the Origional universe,after TNG,or between ENT and TOS?
Or would it be the five year mission of the new universe Enterprise,after Into Darkness?
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Im not a big star trek fan as those 80's movies put me off,but while out the other day i saw a u.s.s enterprise hotwheels so had to grab it :tu: turns out after some research that its the version used in the newer movies :tu:
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I prefer the original Star Treck series. Thank you Netflix for letting me watch them any time!
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I love Star Trek!! :ahhh
TNG was my favorite series (seen every episode), then Voyager, then DS9. For the movies, as long as Picard was in it, it was AWESOME!
And just because no one else has used this yet. :facepalm:
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You've got to love Star Trek, I really wish they'd make a new series soon :)
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Yes,but in which timeline?
In the Origional universe,after TNG,or between ENT and TOS?
Or would it be the five year mission of the new universe Enterprise,after Into Darkness?
I'd probably like something that followed on from Enterprise, and stick to the original timeline. :)
Having said that, it'd be up for anything as long as it was of a similar quality.
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My favorite, definitely TNG :)
Tho, if I was in charge of new series... I'd probably put it couple hundred years forward, just to see what else is out there ;)
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KHAAAAAAN! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54#)
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Honestly if I had to pick one of the series as my favorite I'd have to pick Enterprise. Let the hate mail commence, but honestly that seemed like the only crew that was really out there, exploring and fighting for survival.
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Honestly if I had to pick one of the series as my favorite I'd have to pick Enterprise. Let the hate mail commence, but honestly that seemed like the only crew that was really out there, exploring and fighting for survival.
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Recently watched the re-mastered original series. Can't stand the CGI.
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Recently watched the re-mastered original series. Can't stand the CGI.
I know right? I have the blurays, and I always select the original version
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I loved TOS when I was a kid but I'm not quite old enough to have caught it during first runs.
My first first-run trek was the (admittedly pretty terrible) animated series. I'm not certain i could remember a single thing about it.
Part of the problem of TOS in retrospect is that while they had good writers, some serious sf authors, in fact, Sci-Fi as a genre has matured to a degree. There's also the fact that you were just seriously restricted with what you could get away with on TV. There are still some great stories, and it is in general great fun.
I only knew two of the actors when they announced TNG: Levar Burton (from Roots), and Patrick Stewart (from a small role in Excaliber). I was NOT impressed with TNG out of the gate, and it took me a while to warm to it. At it's best, TNG is excellent. There are a handful of episodes that I'd call fantastic, virtually all of them focusing on Picard.
I am profoundly repulsed by DS9. I hated everything about it. That's unfortunate, since I like Avery Brooks. (rant ahead) In 1986, J. Michael Straczinski walked into Paramount, and pitched 'Babylon 5' to them. They declined, since they had started production on TNG. Paramount got to see the series 'bible', the overview. There is no way in smurf that didn't 'influence' DS9, as in, stolen. Except B5 did it vastly better, on a lot lower budget. Sorry, those are the facts. PLease feel free to look up the awards each series won. B5 got a ton of acting/writing awards, and virtually everything DS9 got were technical (reflecting a higher budget). I am admittedly utterly incapable of getting over this and seeing anything positive in DS9. (end of rant) I watched the first 5 or so eps, a few during the Dominion War, and the last two. Not impressed.
I was pretty Meh about Voyager, until they introduced 7 of 9. I didn't mind Janeway, and the doctor, but I wished the rest of the crew would die a horrible death. Voyager got a LOT better in later seasons, IMO.
I am very much on the fence about Enterprise. They at least had the guts to try something sort-of-new. It just didn't work for me.
Okay. Here's the truth. Being a trek fan to one degree or another since I can remember, I LIKE the Abrams reboot stuff. Trek suffers from the same BS as anything trying to keep decades of continuity straight. It ties the hands of creative storytellers, with absurd, and often badly written minutia. Screw all that! Start fresh. Keep what works, pitch all the terrible... terrible, rest.
As a fan of sci fi, as a nerd, and as a 3d model builder, who loves starships, I hope that Star Trek lives long and prospers.
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Now Lynn,don't hold back,your with friends here.Tell us how you REALLY feel :pok:
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I've been re-watching the entire Voyager series on Netflix. Its probably my fave. When I finish it up, I'll probably start it over from the beginning.
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I agree with Lynn, excepting that I liked Enterprise. It was grittier and really connected the society of today with what will end up being the society of TOS. Kirk's bunch (the original bunch) were a bit too advanced for us to really connect with them on a personal level- after all, they'd all but abolished money, everyone worked together for a common good, there were no morbidly obese people, no alcoholics or other drug addicts, no crime etc. It was a perfect society, something for us to aspire to, but not something for us to really connect with. The Enterprise crew made mistakes, stumbled, got dirty and didn't have an endless supply of parts and red shirts.
It's amusing looking back on the social aspects of the original Trek. While they were trying to rise above the "typical" societal problems of the time, you can see them all played out, from the racially and ethnically balanced crew (including an Asian and *gasp* a black woman!) in a time when Bruce Lee was told he had to wear his mask all the time because he looked "too Chinese." Looking at the regular cast of aliens we see an extension of this- the Klingons were Russians, the Vulcans were the Japanese ("tame" Asians) and the Romulans were the Chinese- a powderkeg that we knew nothing about, but could explode at any time. It's kind of cool, and yet amazingly cheesy all at the same time by today's standards.
Speaking of Klingons, I was never comfortable with the way they were portrayed. Here you have a society of warriors, bred for strength, raised on warfare and weeded out if they didn't make the grade, and yet in absolutely every encounter they have had with pretty well anyone, the Klingons are sent packing. In hand to hand each Starfleet Officer is capable of beating any six Klingons without breaking a sweat. Just once I'd like to see the Klingons beat someone. ::)
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:pok: There was the glorious victorious campaign to destroy the Tribbles!
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I liked TNG the best. Voyager is, I can't pinpoint it, but just not as good. DS9 is just a knockoff of Babylon 5, which is better wrote and more interesting anyway.
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Lynn, I wholeheartedly agree you on Babylon 5, now THAT is a scifi series i will never EVER stop loving (i think it's time for yet another marathon :D)
I'm a sad geek :facepalm:
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I loved Voyager when it was first on. Couldn't stand DS9. I finally watched all the way through DS9 a few months back and loved it, but can't tolerate re-watching Voyager now. I didn't like Enterprise at the time, but I marathoned it after I finished DS9 and loved it.
That being said: Babylon 5 kills all of them. I rewatch the entire series (well the first 4 seasons) once a year.
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Red Dwarf :whistle: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I'm surprised noone has posted THIS here yet...
The Picard Song - DarkMateria (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXB84fpWzg8#)
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Enjoy, and... Make it so!
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Oh! This is my jam! :ahhh
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I do like the uniform of the original series.
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Bit of a change from the practical,non sexist uniforms of ENT :rofl:
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Yes, non sexist, except that the women's uniforms had strategically placed padding in bosom and hip regions.
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He really must be the most interesting man in the world for this
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Forgive me, but ive only ever seen the two modern films, i think id like star trek - so wheres the best place to begin?
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The Origional series,or the Next Generation...
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Original series, Original series movies, then Enterprise, then Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager, then Generations (Movie), then the rest of the Next Generation movies.
Or you could squeeze in generations and the Next Generation movies in before Deep Space 9. Or you could skip DS9 all together since it was horrid.
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I do like the uniform of the original series.
In the first season of The Next Generation....some of the guys were wearing those outfits too.
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DS9 still worth watching even though B5 is better.
On a related note I watched into darkness earlier, liked it better than the first one. Chris Pine seems to have found his place and isn't trying to be as cocky as Shatner (I don't think anybody besides himself could pull that off!). The environment is interesting too compare to the utopian/cartoonish of the previous series.
I figured out what I didn't like about Voyager, the characters/environments/makeup are way too cartoony, probably the most of all the star trek franchise. Oh and as usual the token Asian guy gets shafted.
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DS9 still worth watching even though B5 is better.
On a related note I watched into darkness earlier, liked it better than the first one. Chris Pine seems to have found his place and isn't trying to be as cocky as Shatner (I don't think anybody besides himself could pull that off!). The environment is interesting too compare to the utopian/cartoonish of the previous series.
I figured out what I didn't like about Voyager, the characters/environments/makeup are way too cartoony, probably the most of all the star trek franchise. Oh and as usual the token Asian guy gets shafted.
:rofl: I almost spit my coffee out when I read that! :rofl:
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I really Liked Voyager,,,Having a Woman for a Captain was a great Move. Made getting lost in the Delta Quadrant Plausible
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I don't get the hate for DS9 here. I've only seen bits and pieces of Babylon 5, but the plot doesn't seem very similar to what DS9 did, other than that they are both on space stations. I agree DS9 definitely had some problems in the beginning (not as bad as Next Generation though, which I love, but which was god-awful for the first season at least). The characters are not likable, the episodes are kind of boring, but once the writers learned how to tie the episodes together to tell larger stories (which other Trek series almost never do) and to develop the characters over time it gets good. No other Trek has anything as epic as the Dominion War stuff.
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I'm a huge Star Trek fan. I've seen every version of the TV series, some even multiple times(currently going thru The Next Generation Blu-rays), but I can't stand DS9. Watched and struggled my way thru the first season and absolutely hated it.
Next Generation is my favorite, but Voyager and Enterprise are still much loved in my household.
As to the movies, I love them all.. Really enjoyed the two newest ones.
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I don't get the hate for DS9 here. I've only seen bits and pieces of Babylon 5, but the plot doesn't seem very similar to what DS9 did, other than that they are both on space stations. I agree DS9 definitely had some problems in the beginning (not as bad as Next Generation though, which I love, but which was god-awful for the first season at least). The characters are not likable, the episodes are kind of boring, but once the writers learned how to tie the episodes together to tell larger stories (which other Trek series almost never do) and to develop the characters over time it gets good. No other Trek has anything as epic as the Dominion War stuff.
No? Enterprise had the Xindi, Next Generation had the Borg, Voyager had Species 830794629874053.... and Kirk had Space Gonorrhea..... :facepalm:
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You'd have to watch more B5 to see the similarity. It isnt so much the exact plot as the overall themes that are so similar. there was actually quite a bit of controversy over it because the creator of B5 originally pitched the show to Paramount and it was rejected, then all of a sudden those same producers popped out DS9 with a LOT of similarities right down to the characters. The big one being Odo: B5 was supposed to have a shape-shifting security chief but that got cut for budget reasons. The Narn are basically Bajorans, the Centauri are the Cardassians, both station commanders are religious icons, etc. Hell, even the Dominion War had a lot of parallels to the Shadow War.
As far as the Dominion war, I agree: Nothing else in Trek had that. The Xindi war from Enterprise comes the closest, but it still wasn't as long, large scale, or detailed a story arc as the Dominion War. The Borg were only on TNG for a couple (amazing) episodes (they were a much bigger plot point in Voyager), the Xindi war was more or less a single season and it felt like even the crew forgot it was going on half the time, and Species 8472 were only a smattering of episodes as well (and one of the better points of Voyager).
I ignored DS9 up until a few months ago, but I give it credit: it not only had better character development than the rest of the franchise, not to mention a real story arc that actually felt permanent and had consequences; it also had two of the best episodes in Trek history: In The Pale Moonlight, and Sacrifice Of Angels are both incredible. Easily up there with the likes of The Best Of Both Worlds, Chain Of Command, City On The Edge Of Forever, etc.
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Frankly, what I feel has been the strength of Star Trek is "you can actually solve problems with the help of technology" and "our better natures actually can win out". Yet another gritty, dystopian future... well, there are a lot of people who do that better than any Star Trek setting. That said, the strangely clean sets of most Star Trek shows are really distracting from the stories. :)
I wanted to like the Enterprise series, because I really loved the concept of explorers with no backup and no second chances, but too much of the writing was, well... horrid. Much of Star Trek suffers from the characters having extreme privileges of power. They can do the right thing because with their Olympian might, they can afford to. There are rarely hard choices. Especially TNG suffered of this. It's pretty easy being compassionate to some warlike species who attacks you, when the same species really poses no credible threat.
(Quick aside: The protagonists getting a phone line, and then a reliable supply line, back home in Stargate Atlantis was a real disappointment for this viewer. It's like there is some taboo against portraying a world that actually is big and difficult without broadband connections and GPS.)
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I've always been more of a casual trek fan, not feeling the need to watch it every week but more like there's nothing else interesting on... mostly TNG, occasionally DS9 or Voyager. Never watched Quantum Leap Trek.
I didn't really start following Stargate and watched it much the same as Trek until Atlantis, which even though they had a lot of filler EPs felt was cut short for Universe, which they dragged at the start and then cancelled just when it was starting to show a little promise.
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I always felt like they did that in Atlantis because they decided fans would want to see more connection to SG-1, a way to keep SG-1 fans watching the new show. Hence Carter joining the show. It's stupid, sure, but it's something you see in spin-off series in all genres all the time because executives are afraid to take anything resembling a risk: "This new Stargate show is too far removed from SG-1, we might lose fans, I demand you connect the two series right now!"
Then when Stargate Universe tanks because it's boring, that same exec can point at it and say "See! It's because it wasn't connected to SG-1, I told them they couldn't do that!" and he gets a raise.
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the Stargates were the only connection needed tbh.
I feel there is a definite lack of Space SciFi atm, be it trek, BSG, or otherwise.
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the Stargates were the only connection needed tbh.
I feel there is a definite lack of Space SciFi atm, be it trek, BSG, or otherwise.
Totally agree on all points.
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the Stargates were the only connection needed tbh.
I feel there is a definite lack of Space SciFi atm, be it trek, BSG, or otherwise.
I know I've said it a million times but bring back Firefly!!!
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I liked the go uld , fake god angle in SG1.
Atlantis was ok but started falling flat
Universe was boring
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I know I've said it a million times but bring back Firefly!!!
Is there a word for "I totally agree with the sentiment, but I feel the moment has passed"? :)
Also, I really wouldn't call Firefly SF. It's another ensemble driven Whedon series about created family,but a really great one. And it's the best space cowboy series ever!
That said, there was absolutely no real exploration angle in Firefly, but it's probably the best example mentioned till now about the concept of "no backup, no second chances" that I was saying I missed from SF on television now.
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I know I've said it a million times but bring back Firefly!!!
Is there a word for "I totally agree with the sentiment, but I feel the moment has passed"? :)
Also, I really wouldn't call Firefly SF. It's another ensemble driven Whedon series about created family,but a really great one. And it's the best space cowboy series ever!
That said, there was absolutely no real exploration angle in Firefly, but it's probably the best example mentioned till now about the concept of "no backup, no second chances" that I was saying I missed from SF on television now.
The thing is Whedon has said many times that he pretty much wrapped up everything he wanted to do with it with Serenity. Sure, you could jump to a point in time after Serenity, but you'd need a whole new angle for the show I just don't think it would feel the same. Sure it could be interesting, but just not the same.
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I don't get the hate for DS9 here. I've only seen bits and pieces of Babylon 5, but the plot doesn't seem very similar to what DS9 did, other than that they are both on space stations. I agree DS9 definitely had some problems in the beginning (not as bad as Next Generation though, which I love, but which was god-awful for the first season at least). The characters are not likable, the episodes are kind of boring, but once the writers learned how to tie the episodes together to tell larger stories (which other Trek series almost never do) and to develop the characters over time it gets good. No other Trek has anything as epic as the Dominion War stuff.
I'd agree with this, DS9 vastly improved in later series. Babylon 5 was a better show overall, but that doesn't mean DS9 was bad IMO.
I have to make a guilty announcement here though: much as I liked and watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager (not so much Enterprise), I don't feel the need to ever watch them again. :-[ Every time I have tried I am struck by just how dated they feel. Also it always feels like I am watching people walking down sets, not corridors, interacting with props, not 'real' devices. I'm sure it's just something to do with the way it's shot but I just don't seem to be able to immerse myself and feel that it's a real world. :shrug:
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More Firefly would be great, I feel like there's a whole lot of story left for them to do... hell if Stargate SG1 could beat a dead horse for 10 seasons, surely there's material for at least another 10 proper seasons worth of Firefly :D
I rewatched Space Above And Beyond a few years ago, and that's another one that got the axe too soon. I don't think they could revive it... maybe a reboot like BSG did.
They really need a new Star Trek series, otherwise where's Apple going to steal the next big thing idea from? :whistle:
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I have to make a guilty announcement here though: much as I liked and watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager (not so much Enterprise), I don't feel the need to ever watch them again. :-[ Every time I have tried I am struck by just how dated they feel. Also it always feels like I am watching people walking down sets, not corridors, interacting with props, not 'real' devices.
Yeah, that's a good observation. I have some of the same feeling. The sets felt like sets, not worlds, even when I watched TNG when it was new, though. Also for DS9. Didn't watch Voyager before it was already dated, so not sure how I would have felt there. TOS is so dated it feels like a time capsule though, so it has a different kind of charm. I don't think the ST sets feeling fake has much to do with age, though, more the way they were designed. B5 still feels "real" when people walk down the corridor, even though we get a cut scene with extremely dated CGI.
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True :D
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Yeah, that's a good observation. I have some of the same feeling. The sets felt like sets, not worlds, even when I watched TNG when it was new, though. Also for DS9. Didn't watch Voyager before it was already dated, so not sure how I would have felt there. TOS is so dated it feels like a time capsule though, so it has a different kind of charm. I don't think the ST sets feeling fake has much to do with age, though, more the way they were designed. B5 still feels "real" when people walk down the corridor, even though we get a cut scene with extremely dated CGI.
It goes back to star trek tend to be "cartoony", bright colors, clean surfaces, the design of things just doesn't match things we see everyday. Voyager is the worst, I mean look at the uniforms, clean large patches of singular bright color, people with slick makeup, it feels like watching a bunch of dolls playing dress up party. Also in a firefight, the new trend in the future is apparently hold and fire the rifle from your hip without aiming, walk directly toward your enemy standing tall and not seek any covers while dressed in a cotton shirt.
Enterprise is more in line with everyday things and it feels different.
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You didn't ever need to aim in any of the Star Trek franchises. Unlike most sci fi where the laser beam fires out in line with the gun barrel like a projectile weapon, phasers often shot out at whatever angle they needed to in order to hit the target dead on. :D
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I rewatched Space Above And Beyond a few years ago, and that's another one that got the axe too soon. I don't think they could revive it... maybe a reboot like BSG did.
Space: Above and Beyond is one series that so desperately deserves another shot with a real budget.
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Agreed. I remember years ago Whoey and I sitting in our tiny underground apartment in London waiting for that show to come on. We were devastated when it was canceled.
Long live Chiggy Con Richthofen!
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You didn't ever need to aim in any of the Star Trek franchises. Unlike most sci fi where the laser beam fires out in line with the gun barrel like a projectile weapon, phasers often shot out at whatever angle they needed to in order to hit the target dead on. :D
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Except in narrow corridors with nowhere to go and 15 meters away, then the laws of phaser demands that the beam shall hit both walls, ceiling and floors without landing a single shot on target. :P
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I have to give it to Star Trek for phasers really. Everyone else uses lasers, which would travel at the speed of light (seeing as how it is light) so you wouldn't see the beams. The idea of phasers were that they were like lasers, but you could see them on TV. Not important really, but an interesting detail.
I would have also thought that it would be virtually impossible to miss with a laser, as the impact to target would be instantaneous and unaffected by wind, distance etc. Of course, if everyone is using lasers, maybe that's why everyone else wears shiny coveralls- I'd imagine it would be great reflectivity!
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the "precision" of phasers is worthy of imperial stormtroopers :rofl:
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I think the Klingons and stormtroopers went to the same shooting academy. :facepalm:
Star Trek vs. Star Wars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4#)
Other than Picard's frequent costume changes this is pretty good!
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IT Crowd.
Star Trek on The IT Crowd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x-ATlpqo1M#ws)
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I think the Klingons and stormtroopers went to the same shooting academy. :facepalm:
Star Trek vs. Star Wars (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4#)
Other than Picard's frequent costume changes this is pretty good!
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excellent. :D
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Caution: Contains series spoilers.
I've been a Trek fan ever since watching TOS over and over again growing up. All thanks to non-affiliate stations in NYC and Philly that would play the series end to end.
Always felt that TOS effects and sets were quite on par when compared to SciFi of the era (except maybe the masterwork 2001).
When TNG came out it was a welcomed friend, granted the writing was less than great at first. It seemed that the story conception was done by the "A team" (Gene Roddenberry) but then handed off to first year pool writers. Thankfully that was fixed in the later seasons. It even excelled in the last couple of seasons when the show was becoming very heavy handed with it's commentary on current day political and social issues, yet they did it masterfully.
I could not get into DS9 at first. The show was dark, and the characters were slowly developed. but by the second and third seasons the show came into its own. With the sweeping story arcs, and the "in your face" commentary on war, culture, and race relations, it was quite a good show. A bit of a letdown in the finally though, with the entire series build up to Sisko's true identity of half human half Prophet, only to be finalized with "I might never be back, or maybe tomorrow", meh...
Voyager I enjoyed, but not as much as others. There was too much "The prime directive is more important than us getting home". Plus the plot holes would get to me. Like reaching warp 10, but not trying to overcome the issue it caused. Not to mention that it seemed like they went thorough 20 or 30 shuttles. The time travel / Borg destruction at the end was quite good though.
Enterprise was good, could have been better. I like the use of the Temporal Wars so that they could change the time line of events and discoveries (wonder where Abrams got the idea). But there was too much of "The Vulcan's are holding us back" and not enough triumph in battle (needed more "humans are superior" moments). Although, it was cool to find out that the Orion Slave Girls actually ran the syndicate by controlling their male "owners". What would have been cool is if this was acknowledged in DS9, or at least hinted at in the DS9 time line.
All that being said, while I'm not so much of a fanatic that I own a uniform, or attend conventions, I did talk my wife into naming our daughter after Tasha Yar. :D
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All that being said, while I'm not so much of a fanatic that I own a uniform, or attend conventions, I did talk my wife into naming our daughter after Tasha Yar. :D
That's awesome! :tu:
I have to admit though, she was probably my least favorite character on TNG.
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All that being said, while I'm not so much of a fanatic that I own a uniform, or attend conventions, I did talk my wife into naming our daughter after Tasha Yar. :D
That's awesome! :tu:
I have to admit though, she was probably my least favorite character on TNG.
I looked at it differently, after watching TOS, and seeing the movies, she was really the first "bad smurf" woman character in the series. Especially when she came back as her Romulan daughter. Good stuff.
EDIT: Plus my wife did not like Deanna... ;)
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I think her character was good, but I didn't care for her as the actress. Not sure why, but she just didn't rub me the right way (and no, not like that).
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I think her character was good, but I didn't care for her as the actress. Not sure why, but she just didn't rub me the right way (and no, not like that).
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I know what you mean, but when compared to the rest of the cast, they really didn't "come into their own" until the second season, a chance she never had.
But she did seem a lot better in "Yesterday's Enterprise", as well as her subsequent appearances.
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Tasha was awesome on Yesterday's Enterprise. My understanding is the reason they killed her off was Denise Crosby was extremely unhappy with how the writers handled the character and she quit. I think Gates McFadden left for the same reason. After the writers got their crap together, Crusher came back and was a much better character, and "Yesterday's Enterprise" Tasha as well as her daughter were great characters. Makes you wonder what the Yar character could have been given more chance. She is a big part of the reason Yesterday's Enterprise is one of my favorite episodes.
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My understanding was that she left because Playboy offered her a pile of money to pose nude and Paramount didn't want to be associated with that.
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I do like the uniform of the original series.
In the first season of The Next Generation....some of the guys were wearing those outfits too.
I think Deanna Troi got kinda singled out to wear the short uniform.
(http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Deanna-Troi-wearing-a-skirt-uniform.png)
Not that I was complaining mind you. :D
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I do like the uniform of the original series.
In the first season of The Next Generation....some of the guys were wearing those outfits too.
I think Deanna Troi got kinda singled out to wear the short uniform.
(http://scifiempire.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Deanna-Troi-wearing-a-skirt-uniform.png)
Not that I was complaining mind you. :D
And I'm very glad she did! :drool:
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My understanding was that she left because Playboy offered her a pile of money to pose nude and Paramount didn't want to be associated with that.
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A common misconception. Actually they were photos that originally appeared in the March 1979 edition of Playboy and were republished in the May 1988 issue.
Bullfrog is right, she was originally cast as Troi, but Roddenberry liked Marina Sirtis better for the part. He had planned for Tasha to be a Trek version of Sigourney Weaver's character in Alien. But as the show began to evolve into more of a "think piece" than an action one, the character of Tasha became more background than principal. That's why she decided to leave the show.
She later joked that it took her death to get her the best episodes.
It is said that the nude photos were not republished until after she left the show because Hefner feared raising the anger of Paramount and Rick Berman. (or at least their lawyers)
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Tasha was awesome on Yesterday's Enterprise. My understanding is the reason they killed her off was Denise Crosby was extremely unhappy with how the writers handled the character and she quit. I think Gates McFadden left for the same reason. After the writers got their crap together, Crusher came back and was a much better character, and "Yesterday's Enterprise" Tasha as well as her daughter were great characters. Makes you wonder what the Yar character could have been given more chance. She is a big part of the reason Yesterday's Enterprise is one of my favorite episodes.
Gates McFadden was fired after season one.
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Gates McFadden was fired after season one.
True. She was originally cast as the love interest of Captain Picard, but the formula / chemistry did not work. She was replaced by Diana Muldaur, a female version of McCoy, but the audience disliked her greatly and she was fired the next year.
Roddenberry then wanted McFadden back, not only because the fans loved her, but he wanted to make her and Picard's relationship "the one that could have been, and may someday be" (hence the marriage and divorce in the final episode).
She didn't want to do it until Patrick Stewart called her and talked her into it (and there were likely many secret contract concessions too).
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Ah yes, I do remember that now.
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:pok: great guys,
now I want to watch Star Trek.
which means I will have to start a marathon, and take forever to get through that huge catalog of content
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Honest Trailers - Star Trek Into Darkness (feat. HISHE) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B22Uy7SBe4#)
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I wondered if Spock was ever going to tell Spock about the whales! :D
While some things would have changed in the reboot universe, unconnected things (like the whale probe thing, V-Ger etc) would probably still remain the same, and still come along to threaten humanity at pretty well the same time as they did in the original series and movies.
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:pok: great guys,
now I want to watch Star Trek.
which means I will have to start a marathon, and take forever to get through that huge catalog of content
I agree. I'm currently working through the blu rays of season two of TNG and season two of Enterprise.
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Spock's PSA
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I still haven't seen Into Darkness. Couldn't get anyone to go with me, and going to see a Star Trek movie alone just felt a bit too.....stereotypical.
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I went alone, wife did not want to go, and friends were unavailable, but I went. had a blast
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TNG is on Netflix Canada! :D
I guess it's time for me to start checking them out again... you know... as reasearch... for the benefit of this thread! :D
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anyone heard about this?
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/star-trek-renegades
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can anyone else see Grant Imohara geeking out at being in anything to do with Star Trek? :D Mind you, has anyone seen him "acting" in Mythbusters? :dwts:
This could be very cool, or possibly very cheesy, we'll just have to wait and see.
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it definitely has potential, I noticed they're saying Online series... is this just going to be BSG Blood & Chrome? cause that was painful to wait for each 12min segment to finally end up with a pretty cool 2h show.
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I think it looks cool. I'd like to see Grant Imahara on Star Trek- chances are he's been involved in many episodes before, but behind the camera working with effects and animatronics. It'll be neat to see him in front of a camera in a non- reality type role.
Also, I'm amazed to see Walter Koenig back in a Starfleet uniform. He hated the original series and was never taken seriously at the time. The producers threw him in last minute as a teen heart throb type to try and mimic another very popular show at the time called The Monkees.
That's one of the reasons he put forward such a powerful performance as Al Bester in B5- he wanted to erase the fact that no one took him seriously as an actor, and TBH, I think he was brilliant as Bester. He was as creepy as they came!
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Agree about his performance on B5, very sinister. >:D
I have to admit though, I kinda thought he was in make-up for the interview. It took me a few seconds to realise that he is just getting old. :-[
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Yeah well, the 60's were 50 years ago! I guess the original series crew is proof that you do still age in space! :P
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Yeah well, the 60's were 50 years ago! I guess the original series crew is proof that you do still age in space! :P
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Logically, logically I know this, however...... :facepalm:
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He was very credible as Bester :)
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Wondering about the "not knowing who is right or wrong" story line.
I know that's it's been played out in story lines of the franchise before, but we always had a foundational moral compass in the core cast. Be it on Voyager, DS9, or one of the Enterprises, we could always look to the Command crew for guidance.
But now it seems like the main plot may be somewhat mercenarial in order for the Federation to survive.
I don't know about that...
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Also, I'm amazed to see Walter Koenig back in a Starfleet uniform. He hated the original series and was never taken seriously at the time.
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But that was part of the mastery of the production. Here we were, in the very heart of the Cold War, a time when anyone with a Russian accent was suspect, and Roddenberry was able to form the pseudo-Russian character into a teen heart throb.
A small bit of détente at a time when Soviets were always the enemy on television.
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He was very credible as Bester :)
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To me Koenig will always be Alfred Bester. Chekov is just some minor role he had in his early days :D
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Yes well the Russians were still the bad guys in the original series, only they were Space Russians called Klingons.
Of course the funniest part was when Koenig hit the streets of San Francisco for Star Trek 4 looking for "nuclear wessels." All of those people you see giving him dirty looks weren't actors- he did that with a hidden camera!
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Just watched Into Darkness. You know what? I don't know what everyone keeps complaining about, I for one LOVED it.
....for Star Trek 4....
:twak: Any good Trekkie knows it's Star Trek IV, not 4. :pok:
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Any good Trekkie knows that is a derogatory term and that the proper and accepted term is Trekker.
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Any good Trekkie knows that is a derogatory term and that the proper and accepted term is Trekker.
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Interesting choice for the 40k post. :P
Welcome to the "He who posts the most, wins!" club. :woohoo: Population: two (2) :hatsoff:
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Wow. I knew I was getting closer, I didn't think I was there yet!
40,000 posts and 5,000 members in the same week!
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Wow. I knew I was getting closer, I didn't think I was there yet!
40,000 posts and 5,000 members in the same week!
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Welcome brother :D
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It's your 40,000th post and you decide to make it something so blatantly wrong? :twak:
Trekker is like people who say Bimmer. It's Trekkie and Beamer :duel:
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It's your 40,000th post and you decide to make it something so blatantly wrong? :twak:
Trekker is like people who say Bimmer. It's Trekkie and Beamer :duel:
Do you really want to go there? A Beemer is a BMW car. A Bimmer is a BMW motorcycle.
Come on, put some effort into this stuff. You'll never make the Big Leagues like Mila and I by lobbing in easy ones all the time!
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I know the difference, I've always just hated the way Bimmer sounds. It just sounds...wrong. Same with Trekker.
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Whether you like it or not, those are the terms the people involved with BMW bikes and Star Trek use, and I'd consider them the experts in their fields, so I think we have to give it to them. :P
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Nope.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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Isn't that a bit more Dallas than Star Trek?
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Worth a look. I've watched a couple of episodes.
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/
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I saw the first ep. Not too bad a job overall.
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Mind meld
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10271293/Scientists-achieve-human-mind-meld.html
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I'm surprised no ones done this yet...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M3k_CgzdR2s
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I thought about posting that a few days ago but I was away from the computer when I thought of it.... and then I promptly forgot all about it. :D
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I remember that one. :D Sadly, once upon a time I probably knew all the words to it. :facepalm:
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Wife and I finally watched into dorkness the other day and enjoyed it regardless of the flaws...
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Yeah, there were flaws, but I enjoyed it greatly as well. I can't see Leonard Nimoy mixing it up physically as much as the Zachary Quinto Spock does.
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For the most part it's well cast
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I just can't get behind Chekov. Only member of the new cast that truly bugs me.
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Any news about the Star Trek: Capitan Worf?
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For the most part it's well cast
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I was truly stunned at just how good Karl Urban was as 'Bones'. I'd only ever thought of him as a middling action guy, and then there he was; a totally convincing Dr McCoy. :o
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It was an exceptional performance alright :)
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I just can't get behind Chekov. Only member of the new cast that truly bugs me.
Yeah, me too, but then, at the time people thought the same as the original Chekhov so I guess it's only natural.
In the Next Generation we all hated Wesley Crusher, in DS9 it was Cisco's kid and the little Ferengi. I don't recall an annoying kid in Voyager but I never really watched it.
Either way, there's a long history of annoying kids in Star Trek.
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There was an annoying kid in VGR to...Naomi Wildman
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Thanks. I was unaware of her existence until now. Thanks Kirk. I'm happy because my point has been proven but now annoyed by the existence of another brat. :P
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:D See Boss,there are actually things I AM to blame for :rofl:
The interaction between Naomi and Seven of Nine made the relationship between Wes and Jean-Luc look non barfworth!
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Karl Urban does indeed blow away the rest of the new cast. I actually think he does McCoy better than DeForest ever did.
I think my problem with "NeoKov" is the way the guy plays him. It feels like he's almost going for a Chekov parody rather than Chekov himself. I mean to some degree that's almost what they all do, but with Chekov it's like he just decided all he had to do was exaggerate the Russian accent even more and call it a day. Might be why he had next to no screen time in Into Darkness.
For whatever it's worth: I never had an issue with Wesley. Jake Sisco and Mini-Quark were annoying at first, but like the rest of the DS9 cast had some pretty good development and grew into decent characters. Well, at least the Ferengi did, Jake just managed to become slightly less whiny. Slightly. God he must have taken after his Mother, I can't believe his Dad didn't send him off with Q when he had the chance.
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I like Quinto as Spock. I'll agree that he isn't as true as he could be to the original, but it's cool to know that at anytime the new Spock could cut open someone's skull and steal their abilities. 8)
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I can't believe his Dad didn't send him off with Q when he had the chance.
+1
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Some thoughts on the reboot Trek.
For Chekov detractors... keep in mind that the actor playing Chekov is the youngest in the cast, and I think that's fine for the character. Also, he's Russian-American, so I imagine his accent is likely a good deal more authentic. There was a character in Babylon 5 who was supposed to be from Russia, and a number of fans said how fake her accent was, but the actress was actually Russian. So...
Karl Urban is AWESOME as Bones. He and Quinto as Spock are the best, IMO. Pegg as Scotty is fine, but different, same as Saldana as Uhura and Cho as Sulu. Chris Pine doesn't seem to be trying to 'do' Shatner as Kirk, except in the first movie during the Kobayashi Maru scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDg674aS-F4
I'm always more than a little shocked that when discussing TOS, no one EVER seems to bring up Yeoman Rand. She's a MAJOR character in the first half of the first season, and she's all but entirely forgotten by everyone but the nerd-core fans. Everyone chant with me: We Want Rand, We Want Rand!
Reminds me of a joke.
What do we want? Time travel!
When do we want it? That's irrelevant!
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While Pine doesn't seem to try to "do" Shatner as you say, he actually nails it in very subtle ways here and there. It's the occasional facial expression, or head nod that does it. His posture sitting in the chair. He will very rarely hit on the odd vocal cadence in a very subtle way too. His Shatner impression is less overt than what a lot of the other actors do, but I think he does a fantastic job of throwing in all the subtle body language quirks that always seem to remind me of "old" Kirk in an almost subconscious way.
Who the crap is Yeoman Rand? :pok: :D
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She's the blond that always hands the data pad to Kirk.
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Ah yes, Yeoman Janice Rand, intended to be Kirk's "go-to" girl, but fired when Roddenberry wanted Kirk to be a man-whore.
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BTW, these uniforms are available on ThinkGeek as a nice gift for your wife or friend... ;)
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Wonder what Kirk's thinking here...:
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This is a family friendly site, so I don't think we can post it here. :-)
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That's okay, looks like Bones is reminiscing "Sorry Jim, already been there"
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A little seasonal Trek
Captain Picard sings "Let it Snow!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc#ws)
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A little seasonal Trek
Captain Picard sings "Let it Snow!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc#ws)
Seen that earlier!
Favour bit? Shut up Wesley!
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A little seasonal Trek
Captain Picard sings "Let it Snow!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSn2JuDQSc#ws)
Seen that earlier!
Favour bit? Shut up Wesley!
Yup. :D
Very good bit of editing though. :tu:
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I just watched that with my wife! The guy did a great job of putting it together.
Shut up Wesley!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2518395/Han-Solos-DL-44-Blaster-Star-Wars-auction.html
Han Solo's gun for sale !!!
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gun enthusiasts all over are going crazy because of that blaster
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I just watched that with my wife! The guy did a great job of putting it together.
Shut up Wesley!
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Shut up Wesley indeed :D