Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 02:52:21 PM
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I guess what I am saying, is that when you cut out the marketer bullpoo and actually concentrate on the tools themselves, which one is better? Are they both hype, or are they both on the level? Or, one of each?
As it is well known that I really like the Center-Drive and really dislike the OHT, I am going to keep my opinions out of it, and just point out the facts and score objectively, so that each of you can decide what would work best for you.
PART 1- Tale of the Tape
Gerber Center-Drive-
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(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_090324.jpg?m=1490102199)
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Leatherman One Hand Tool-
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(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_090131.jpg?m=1490102194)
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Center-Drive:
MSRP: $119.00 - $132.00 depending on bit set, bit set model as tested is $132.00
Weight: 280.4g
Length: 120.69mm
Width: 48.29mm
Depth: 24.08mm
Number of functions: 16
OHT:
MSRP: $79.95-$89.95 depending on color, Coyote Tan model as tested is $89.95
Weight: 274.1mm
Length: 115.94mm
Width: 47.13mm
Depth: 21.55
Number of functions: 16
Score:
Leatherman 3
Gerber 0
Part 1 Summary:
Leatherman wins on size, weight and price, giving them three points to Gerber's zero. The size was not a major win for Leatherman, as in some cases it was less than half of a millimeter smaller, but it was overall smaller. The OHT was also lighter by 6.3g, which for those that aren't familiar with grams, is about 1/5oz, or the weight of a quarter. Still, a narrow victory is still a victory.
With regards to pricing, the Center-Drive in this test is the top of the range model, which includes the bit set and larger sheath. However, as the sheaths and bit sets will not be part of this testing at any level, the Center Drive could be reduced to the cheaper version, as the tool itself is identical. Even comparing the cheapest version of the Center-Drive to the top of the range OHT (which is also the case), the OHT still wins by a wide margin of roughly $29 in the difference.
Stay tuned for Part 2 tomorrow!
Def
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 21, 2017, 03:01:25 PM
Post by: Aloha on March 21, 2017, 03:07:10 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 03:27:34 PM
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Post by: Dtrain on March 21, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 21, 2017, 03:49:40 PM
Sometimes the input of members is a bit overwhelming..... :facepalm:should I have put two popcorns??? :popcorn: :popcorn:
Def
It should be interesting to see the comparison of the two like this. Some features of the Center Drive would be better compared to the Wave, and some would be better compared to the OHT. Leatherman has nothing really exactly like the center drive I their lineup, but the OHT is similar because of the sliding pliers, and is good to see a comparison because it was used in the gerber ad. I would also enjoy seeing this type of comparison with the surge, which seems to be Leatherman's more "high tech industrial tool" and may be meant for more of the same purposes as the center drive, while the OHT was aimed more at the military/military enthusiasts, as you said. I think for hard use, the center drive will win easily, but the OHT may win in some other areas, not the driver or length of tool implements of course, but maybe just the convenience factor of everything being OHO. Please excuse any bad grammar in the paragraph above as I try to make sense of my thoughts on this topic.
Post by: Poncho65 on March 21, 2017, 03:52:26 PM
Post by: ddogu on March 21, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 21, 2017, 04:37:41 PM
I'll have to support the CD on this one. Drivers, it wins, pliers, it wins, blade, it wins. That is enough to break the dilemmas of line cutter vs awl, pry bottle opener vs can and bottle opener, and file vs saw.
I'd rather have the CD with me than the OHT. I do not mind the minuscule weight difference, and the size is a sacrifice I'd be willing to make, for what I get.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
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Post by: David Bowen on March 21, 2017, 05:38:31 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on March 21, 2017, 05:40:03 PM
:nothingtoadd:
Post by: Grathr on March 21, 2017, 06:02:00 PM
Having both, I have to admit that I do like the Center drive better.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 06:18:23 PM
I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
I am very interested in hearing your results too Dave- I am not now, nor have I ever been the be all, end all voice on this site. A forum isn't much good without input from everyone. :D
Def
Post by: David Bowen on March 21, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
I think both tools are decent tools but one is definitely heads above the other. Even though the Leatherman OHT is lighter and small I feel the sheath that comes with it sucks. I've ended up putting mine in my SOG Powerassist sheath. I do wish it came with a better one, maybe even horizontal carry would be nice. I've eyed the sheath someone made to copy the one used in Jurassic World but the price is steep, maybe not so for a custom case. Course it's got authenticity papers and serialized or something. Hands down the Center-drive sheath is better for various reasons. It supports verticle and horizontal carry and has a much stronger Velcro closure. It doesn't hold the included bit kit real well but beggars cannot be choosers.I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
I am very interested in hearing your results too Dave- I am not now, nor have I ever been the be all, end all voice on this site. A forum isn't much good without input from everyone. :D
Def
As you do your episodes I'll add my two cents; I have used both tools like you and have pit them against one another. I know my verdict but I await to see if you come to the same conclusion.
I purposely got an OHT so I could do a comparison review between it and the center-drive. Seems great minds think a like, just wish I'd jumped on it quicker. :oops:
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 10:56:53 PM
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Post by: Monrogue on March 21, 2017, 11:03:27 PM
;p
I only have the OHT, but it's too bulky/hefty for carry. It rides in our Jeep. I like the looks of the CD, but knowing it's just as bulky/heavy, I wouldn't carry it. It could ride in our other vehicle though, so maybe someday if I'm tempted enough.
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Post by: chrono on March 21, 2017, 11:04:04 PM
I do not have a Center Drive, and I do not like the OHT. :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 21, 2017, 11:07:56 PM
Kind of like the way Leatherman promotes one handed opening on the Charge, Skeletool and Wave models but neglect to mention that they are only one handed opening if you are right handed.
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Post by: zoidberg on March 21, 2017, 11:54:35 PM
You say that, but the one thing no one mentions with the OHT is that while everything is accessible one handed, you still need two hands because half the tools are accessible with the left and half are accessible with the right.
Kind of like the way Leatherman promotes one handed opening on the Charge, Skeletool and Wave models but neglect to mention that they are only one handed opening if you are right handed.
Def
I so disagree.
I'm left handed and I have no problem opening (or closing) every tool on the OHT or Charge etc with either hand.
For your off side, lift and start with the index finger and finish with the thumb.
To close, press liner lock with middle finger, start with index finger and finish with thumb.
If tool deployment is an issue then maybe that person shouldn't be the one fixing whatever is broke.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
Post by: chrono on March 22, 2017, 12:04:14 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2017, 12:05:23 AM
On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
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Post by: sLaughterMed on March 22, 2017, 02:45:31 AM
Post by: leathermon on March 22, 2017, 06:18:03 AM
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Post by: kaput on March 22, 2017, 06:42:57 AM
I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
Def
It's the reason I can't edc a supertool. But worse. >:D
Post by: zoidberg on March 22, 2017, 07:08:17 AM
I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
Def
It's the reason I can't edc a supertool. But worse. >:D
Don't you edc a Rebar... :D :rofl:
Post by: kaput on March 22, 2017, 07:28:59 AM
I do. Very simple locking mechanism. For me to get a tool open and useable in either tool, it is a very different process feel. Almost night and day. I'd like to hear others experience regarding this issue, I could be out on a limb here, but I doubt it...I'm shocked this isn't mentioned or talked about. It's an absoloute deal breaker for me personally. It's a extra step for nearly everything you will want to do with the tools. I don't get it :think:On the Center Drive, do you have to slide open the pliers to get access to the tools on the handles?
Some, yes. The internal tools.
Def
It's the reason I can't edc a supertool. But worse. >:D
Don't you edc a Rebar... :D :rofl:
Could just be my muscle memory with Leathermans. :D
Post by: Kampfer on March 22, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
Post by: Gareth on March 22, 2017, 09:37:21 AM
Post by: Padre on March 22, 2017, 09:41:09 AM
It will be hard to compare.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2017, 11:52:05 AM
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.
It will be hard to compare.
You say that, but there are an awful lot of similarities between them.
Leatherman had the OHT designed and ready to go the very second that the Gerber sliding head patent expired- I know, I had seen it before the patent expiration, and Leatherman made no secret of the fact that they were going to do it. If Leatherman is going to try and make a Gerber, it only makes sense to compare it to the real thing. As the Freehand is discontinued, the Center-Drive makes a more fitting comparison since it is more on par size wise with the OHT.
Both tools are larger than the MP600. I'll try and get a comparison photo for you Gareth.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
Overall:
Both the Center-Drive and One Hand Tool (OHT) have similar pliers in that they are both of the sliding head variety, both have removable/replaceable wire cutters and both are sprung, which means when the handles are released, the pliers spring open.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085227.jpg?m=1490102172)
The OHT head is much thinner than the Center-Drive's head, and seems very disproportionate to the handles. Additionally, the percentage of the head that is cut out to accommodate the replaceable cutters is more significant on the OHT than the more robust head of the Center-Drive, potentially providing a weak point during hard use. The first point goes to Gerber.
The Cutters:
The OHT does have a slightly greater surface area on the cutters, which would be an advantage, but the Gerber cutters can be rotated to present a fresh surface when one surface gets dull or damaged. This provides the Center-Drive with a longer potential lifespan than the OHT cutters. Another point to Gerber.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170322_101256.jpg?m=1490193133)
When it comes to replacement costs, the Center-Drive cutters cost over twice as much as the Leatherman versions, at $23 for Gerber and $10-$10.50 for Leatherman, depending on whether you want stainless or black oxide. Given that Gerber has almost three times the potential lifespan, I feel that this evens out.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170322_101237.jpg?m=1490193133)
Both sets of replacement cutters come with two blades (complete set), replacement screws and a #8 Torx Wrench to perform the replacement with. It is noteworthy that Gerber includes four screws, while Leatherman only includes two. This could be a benefit, as screws have a habit of falling and getting lost, but could also be considered excessive as you still have the original two screws in the tool to begin with. This is a marginal point for Gerber.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170322_101225.jpg?m=1490193134)
The Pliers:
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The OHT plier jaws open significantly wider than those found on the Center-Drive, giving Leatherman their next point. Further, the jaws of the OHT themselves, while thinner, do come to a finer needle nose point, giving Leatherman their second point.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085300.jpg?m=1490102175)
Conversely to the comment above, the OHT handles also open significantly wider than the Center-Drive's handles, which makes them less comfortable to use for those with smaller hands, and limits the benefits of the wider opening plier head. If one's hands don't stretch that far then the pliers cannot be used in the fully open position.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085043.jpg?m=1490102171)
Further, the Center-Drive's handles are actually thinner than those of the OHT, allowing them to be gripped better, and the width point that Leatherman won in Part 1 for being smaller was actually due to the large lanyard ring adding to the Center-Drive's width. The Center-Drive takes another point for actually being more comfortable to use.
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Given that both pliers are sprung, the Gerber takes another point from the Leatherman as the Leatherman's spring is exposed, and the potential for breakage, gumming up, corrosion etc is much greater than that of the recessed spring in the Center-Drive's plier head.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085427.jpg?m=1490102180)
Plier Access:
Both plier heads slide open with a flick of the wrist- or at least that is what both manufacturers claim. The mechanism and function of both is very similar, but they are not the same.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085058.jpg?m=1490102175)
The OHT plier head has two release buttons, one on either side, while the Center-Drive only has one. This in and of itself does not really make one better or worse than the other, but the details will matter in a moment.
In the past, some of Gerber's sliding head plier designs have suffered from sliding open inadvertently, most notably the Octane, which was carried on a pocket clip, with the head pointed down. This is not an issue with either of these tools, however the OHT has a small lock to ensure that if it should loosen up over time it still won't slide out. This is a point in Leatherman's favor.
When actually attempting to flick the pliers out, I have personally averaged 2-3 flicks to get the OHT head out, versus only 1-2 flicks for the Center-Drive. One could say that there is perhaps some technique involved, but I have carried and used the OHT much more than I have the Center-Drive, so the advantage should go to the OHT. But, in actual practice, the results lean towards the larger, heavier head of the Gerber, and it gets this point.
Score:
Today:
Leatherman 3
Gerber 6
Total:
Leatherman 6
Gerber 6
Part 2 Summary:
It should come as little surprise that the Gerber version of the sliding head pliers function better than Leatherman's- after all, Gerber has been refining the design since the 1990's and they have produced many different versions of it in the MP600 series alone-blunt nose, needle nose, extended fishing pliers, molded cutters, replaceable cutters- they even did interchangeable head versions, although technically speaking those weren't retractable.
Given that Gerber had a huge advantage in this section, it is a major testament that Leatherman managed to score any points at all.
Tomorrow in Part 3 we look at blades-same multitool time, same multitool channel!
Def
Post by: Monrogue on March 22, 2017, 03:50:35 PM
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Post by: Gareth on March 22, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
:cheers:CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.
It will be hard to compare.
You say that, but there are an awful lot of similarities between them.
Leatherman had the OHT designed and ready to go the very second that the Gerber sliding head patent expired- I know, I had seen it before the patent expiration, and Leatherman made no secret of the fact that they were going to do it. If Leatherman is going to try and make a Gerber, it only makes sense to compare it to the real thing. As the Freehand is discontinued, the Center-Drive makes a more fitting comparison since it is more on par size wise with the OHT.
Both tools are larger than the MP600. I'll try and get a comparison photo for you Gareth.
Def
Post by: leathermon on March 22, 2017, 05:21:41 PM
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 22, 2017, 05:24:18 PM
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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I guess I'm wasting my time with all of this then? :P
Def
Post by: JP on March 22, 2017, 05:39:47 PM
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Post by: kaput on March 22, 2017, 06:04:03 PM
Post by: Aloha on March 22, 2017, 06:19:28 PM
Plier head. I have always thought the OHT plier head was odd. Its so slim for such a beast of a tool. The area made for the replaceable cutters really is a weak spot. Looking at the CD plier head its clear they were thinking heavy duty. I also like the rotating cutters. Well played Gerber.
Handle Splay. While the OHT doesn't give my mitts any issues I'm not sure why the splay is so wide? The
Exposed spring on the OHT. Mine does get gunked up. As a matter of fact mine is gummed up as I type.
The OHT is Leathemans Mr Pinchy. The flat straight lines create a pinch point along the whole tool in plier mode. Yes there is a small gap when the pliers are open and fully engaged but not enough for my meaty hands to avoid a pinch or 3.
I do like that every tool is OHO. I've not had any issues opening all tools one handed. Like posted, use the middle finger to access tools opposite thumb opening tools. Easy to do and very effective.
I wonder if the space where the OHO tools sit could have allowed the tools over lap to make them longer. The inner frame where the pliers slide is rather thick while the outside of the tool is rather thin. Seems like it could have been done. Also opposite the plier end there are two rectangle cutouts. That would have been a good point for a 1/4 driver to be used. Beefing up that area seems doable.
Post by: Aloha on March 22, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
Will you please touch on the points of tool access and ease of use. How convenient and efficient it is to access tools?
I can tell you that on my OHT all tools are easy enough to deploy one handed. I'm pretty ambidextrous so when using the tool left handed I can access the serrated blade with my thumb and the PE blade with my middle finger getting it to the point where I finish fully opening it with my thumb. Same goes for all tools right or left handed. Right handed I can deploy the PE blade with my thumb then deploy the SE blade with my middle finger then fully opening it with my thumb.
Thats my experience.
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 07:35:38 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 22, 2017, 07:54:31 PM
Post by: leathermon on March 22, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
First off, no and secondly no. I was trying to make the point that sometimes the tool isn't bad it's just how it's being used. Also you have people like me, who use it in both application, then it's really nice to have this kind of comparison. Can't we all just get along, they are both winners in my book.CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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I guess I'm wasting my time with all of this then?
Def
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Post by: ReamerPunch on March 22, 2017, 09:37:33 PM
Looking forward to the toolset.
Post by: Dtrain on March 22, 2017, 10:30:33 PM
CD is more for mechanics and OHT is more outdoorsy.I think this is probably the best simplistic comparison I've heard, true and straight to the point. Well done sir.
It will be hard to compare.
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I think that Leatherman geared more towards Law Enforcement/Military while Gerber went with Tradesman myself..Which for Leatherman makes sense seeing that Gerber has had a good amount of Success with Military Personnel/Govt Contracts
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2017, 12:27:02 PM
Will you please touch on the points of tool access and ease of use. How convenient and efficient it is to access tools?
You will see some of that in today's instalment, and more on that tomorrow. :D
Def
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 23, 2017, 01:32:15 PM
Just to address some of the comments so far- yes, you probably can access all of the functions one handed if you are dexterous enough, however, that is a skill that you have developed. I am reviewing this for someone who has neither and is looking at the two of them on the shelf and trying to decide which one to buy. Since these two are about as close as tools from these two companies have ever gotten (except maybe the PST and MPT) I thought it was an excellent opportunity to put them together and see how they stack up. That guy wouldn't have the ability to open the tools using different fingers, and neither would someone like my father, who has lost some of his hand strength and coordination as he gets older.
I apologize if any of my remarks came across as criticizing your comparison. That was not my intention whatsoever. I thought that others may find it useful to know that there is a way to open with one hand and while it may take some learning, it is possible. I definitely wasn't aiming to offend you, or bash your decision on the comparison of the tools, so again my apologies if I came across that way.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2017, 04:15:08 PM
I just wanted to make the counterpoint that the tool was designed with the standard one handed opening method where the thumb is used to open the tool. There's a lot of stuff that people can do, or can learn to do, but it isn't the standard and may not be instinctive. That was my only point.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 23, 2017, 04:18:49 PM
No need to apologise- this is an open forum and we accept the input of everyone. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a forum, it would be an againstum. :pok:
I just wanted to make the counterpoint that the tool was designed with the standard one handed opening method where the thumb is used to open the tool. There's a lot of stuff that people can do, or can learn to do, but it isn't the standard and may not be instinctive. That was my only point.
Def
Gotcha. That is a good point. Just wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was attacking your work or anything! Its hard to tell sometimes if someone is offended by just reading so I thought best just to play it safe :tu:
Post by: WoodsDuck on March 23, 2017, 04:23:12 PM
No need to apologise- this is an open forum and we accept the input of everyone. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a forum, it would be an againstum. :pok:
I just wanted to make the counterpoint that the tool was designed with the standard one handed opening method where the thumb is used to open the tool. There's a lot of stuff that people can do, or can learn to do, but it isn't the standard and may not be instinctive. That was my only point.
Def
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oShTJ90fC34
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2017, 05:03:49 PM
Overview:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085516.jpg?m=1490102181)
Both the Leatherman OHT and the Gerber Center-Drive feature one handed opening plain blades and serrated blades. Each blade came very sharp, and all four are similar varieties of stainless.
Main Blades:
There are a lot of similarities between these two blades- both are one handed opening with holes , both open smoothly, both have a dropped point blades, and both lock open with a satisfying click of their liner locks.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170323_114257.jpg?m=1490284572)
However, there is a very noticeable difference in size between the Center-Drive's 80mm blade and the OHT's 60mm one. If you don't know how big 20mm is, and it isn't obvious from the photos, that's roughly the width of a thumb. Also known as a HUGE difference. I don't see how I could not award this point to Gerber, and honestly, you shouldn't be very surprised about that.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170323_114508.jpg?m=1490284545)
But, if I'm being honest, I find the Center-Drive's blade a bit too large, and I would rather see it a bit smaller- but then I would also like to see the blade on the OHT a bit bigger. If I'm being totally honest, I would really like a blade somewhere between the two, but I'm still giving that point to Gerber and there's a simple reason why.
I would rather have a bigger blade than a smaller one, especially when you look at the size of the handles versus the size of the blade. The Center-Drive at least seems to be somewhat balanced- a large tool with a large blade, versus the OHT which is a large tool with a tiny blade.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170323_114238.jpg?m=1490284511)
It almost seems like Leatherman put it there as a joke. Surely they could have eliminated one of the flatheads and put in an actual blade worthy of such a large tool.
Serrated Blades:
The serrated blades on each also follow very similar lines- both are sheepsfoot blades with similar serrations- one large scallop, two small scallops and repeat.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085750.jpg?m=1490102190)
But, there are large differences between the two- the most obvious being that the Leatherman serrated blade is able to be opened from the outside, while Gerber's is tucked inside the handle. The OHT's serrated blade locks open with a liner lock, identical to the one that holds the main blade open, and the Center-Drive's blade is held open by Gerber's SAF-T-LOK system.
But, while it appears that the Leatherman is a serious win for being accessible outside, but not all other things are equal. For example, the OHT blade is at the thicker end of the handle (Pivot end where the pliers are is thinner) and is one of the “left hand” accessible blades. That means that right handed people will have to access it in one of the following ways:
Two handed, like a traditional blade opening
Left (non dominant) handed
Using extra fingers and dexterity
The first method negates the one handed opening features of this multitool, and the other two methods potentially compromise grip.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170322_101441.jpg?m=1490193135)
Putting a further nail in the OHT, the Center-Drive's blade is slightly longer, providing more cutting area, and, as I said above, I do like a bigger blade.
I want to call this one a draw, but in the end, I have to give the point to Leatherman here. The blade on the Center-Drive is just not large enough to justify the extra amount of effort necessary to slide the plier head out, open the handle and extend the blade, then closing the handle and sliding the plier head back in to use it, then repeating the whole mess to put it away.
But, there's one other major issue to the serrated blade- it's on the wrong side.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170322_121009.jpg?m=1490282954)
If you assume that there's a 45 degree angle coming out of the lowest point of the handle and contacting the blade, you notice a HUGE discrepancy, and the lower handle gets in the way of cutting. The Center-Drive blade may be bigger, but it isn't that much bigger.
Many years ago, Victorinox used that as a metric when promoting their new line of plier tools, with outside accessible blades that were flat, versus the inside the handle blades on Leatherman models. It appears that Leatherman has learned that lesson well, and used it to score.
Score:
Today:
Leatherman 1
Gerber 1
Total:
Leatherman 7
Gerber 7
Part 3 Summary:
At the end of Round 3 the score is still tied between them. Personally I am still on side with the Gerber Center-Drive, but, being objective, even I have to admit they still seem very well matched. The serrated blade competition, when taken solely on the blades themselves would have been awarded to Gerber for being slightly larger, but the relative inconvenience of access really hurt it. Leatherman didn't so much win that point as much as Gerber lost it.
Tomorrow will be the fourth and final battle, with both contenders going into the fight confident. Any advantage that one has over the other may be enough to pull off the overall win, but with the score still tied, it is anyone's match.
Def
Post by: Monrogue on March 23, 2017, 06:46:15 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 23, 2017, 07:18:13 PM
Great comparison so far Grant :tu:
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:popcorn:
Sorry, couldn't help it. :D
It's not often that you get two such similar tools from different manufacturers to put head to head. It's actually been kind of fun to pit them against eachother.
Def
Post by: Monrogue on March 23, 2017, 07:20:18 PM
I almost did the :popcorn: actually.Great comparison so far Grant :tu:
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:popcorn:
Sorry, couldn't help it. :D
It's not often that you get two such similar tools from different manufacturers to put head to head. It's actually been kind of fun to pit them against eachother.
Def
:cheers:
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Post by: Sea Monster on March 23, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
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The OHT does have a slightly greater surface area on the cutters, which would be an advantage, but the Gerber cutters can be rotated to present a fresh surface when one surface gets dull or damaged.
I find Gerber cutters shatter rather than dull, but that's not my point today - Larger surface area on hard wire cutters makes sod all difference as I see it - There's no way in hell you're hacking through a 6mm rod with these, so there's no real gain, and the bypass cutters at the base of the plier make them a nuisance for snipping things like cable ties or suchlike anyway.
LM's also encroach on the "gripping" area, meaning they'll likely get damaged doing some other task.
You gave the point to Gerber anyway, I'm just amplifying :)
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Additionally, the percentage of the head that is cut out to accommodate the replaceable cutters is more significant on the OHT than the more robust head of the Center-Drive, potentially providing a weak point during hard use. The first point goes to Gerber.
Mmm, send me both, I'll put them in the press and see if it makes a measurable difference :D - I'm not interested in handing points out for "potential".
(I'll note - I've never used a Centre-drive, but I've used an OHT a few times, and while it has been perfectly up to the task and capable (as it damn well should be for a $$$ leatherman!) I just don't like it)
Post by: leathermon on March 23, 2017, 08:54:30 PM
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Post by: jaya_man on March 24, 2017, 10:09:26 AM
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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Post by: zoidberg on March 24, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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One, cutting paper with a serrated blade is a silly test. Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
Post by: firiki on March 24, 2017, 10:54:22 AM
Interesting thread, thanks :tu:
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 24, 2017, 11:08:38 AM
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Post by: Kev D on March 24, 2017, 11:52:21 AM
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 24, 2017, 12:00:41 PM
I passed by Bunnings on my way home today, and they finally brought Gerbers. I really liked the CenterDrive's size. I could see myself using it, and I do want a full size Gerber anyway.
Post by: gregozedobe on March 24, 2017, 12:12:13 PM
.... wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
The Gerber replaceable wire cutters are quite hard (and therefore brittle). They will stand up to a lot of wear cutting softer wire (eg copper, soft steel), but are known to shatter if you force them on harder materials (eg tough stainless steel). That is no doubt one of the reasons Leatherman chose a softer (but less brittle) material for their replaceable wire cutters (less likely to shatter, but more likely to wear with continuous usage).
Post by: Kev D on March 24, 2017, 12:16:32 PM
Same here. Well, kind of the same. I do not have anything against Gerber, it's just the bashing that got to me. I have a Dime, two EABs, and a MP400. The plier on the 400 is so nice, I usually grab that one, rather than remove my Rebar from the pouch or go for a big tool.
I passed by Bunnings on my way home today, and they finally brought Gerbers. I really liked the CenterDrive's size. I could see myself using it, and I do want a full size Gerber anyway.
I've got a MP400 that lives in my car along side a surge. I've used it all of 3 times since it's been in there, and it only usually sees the light of day for to get some anti corrosion maintenance which consists of a wipe over with the same oil I use on my air rifle. If i buy one it will probably end up the same way as the surge is my go to tool.
Post by: jaya_man on March 24, 2017, 01:42:40 PM
You have a point there Z... was just amazed how the other serrated blades cut paper like butter...Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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One, cutting paper with a serrated blade is a silly test. Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 24, 2017, 02:25:11 PM
If a serrated blade is sharp enough it will glide right through paper even when passing through multiple scallops on the blade. Paper isn't really a good way of telling it's actual effectiveness, but it is cool to see the serrations perform just as well if not better than a plain edge at it. If the center drive doesn't come as sharp, all one would need to do is just sharpen is on a sharp-maker or other triangle stone for it to be just as sharp. That said, maybe the average person doesn't have a triangle stone laying around.You have a point there Z... was just amazed how the other serrated blades cut paper like butter...Very nice comparison review Def...
I don't own both and was just wondering, will there be some kind of actual use test comparing performance? Or has anybody done so.
Part 1 got me really curious about the CD and went to look at some reviews over at youtube.
A video by wealljuggleknives says that the serrated blade on the cd is not sharp as compared to a SAK, an MP600 (I think) and some LM tools (don't remember which model) and even shows this with a papercut test.
On another video by someone else, the replaceable wire cutters shattered while trying to cut a stainless steel wire. The CD belonged to this guy's friend.
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One, cutting paper with a serrated blade is a silly test. Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2017, 03:54:42 PM
Part 4- Other Components
Overview
The Leatherman One Handed Tool (OHT) is well known for having all of it's tools accessible with one hand. What they don't tell you is that you still need two hands, because half of the tools are accessible with your left hand, and half of them are accessible with your right hand. Conversely, only the bit driver and main blade on the Center-Drive are accessible with one hand. This makes the first point in Part 4 Leatherman's.
The other functions of each multitool all lock open- on the OHT they lock open with liner type locks while the Center-Drive uses Gerber's patented SAF-T-LOK system for everything but the bit driver that give the Center-Drive it's name. Both are even in this regard- neither one feels flimsy or inclined to fail, both are easy to release when desired
Screwdrivers
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085614.jpg?m=1490102188)
This one is a bit difficult to judge- nothing is as easy as it seems. On the surface, the Center Drive should take this one hands down, as the fold out screwdriver is so integral to it's instant success that it shouldn't have an issue dominating the screwdriver battle.
BUT...
Without the spare bits the Center-Drive is limited to two screwdrivers, the bit in the driver, and the bit in the carrier inside the handle. With the spare bits the Center-Drive is significantly more versatile, but then the sheath comes in a lot bulkier, but as we determined in Part 1, we aren't counting add on accessories in this competition.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094638.jpg?m=1490365842)
Compared to the Center-Drive's two on board screwdrivers, the OHT has four- three flat heads and a Phillips head. The two dedicated flat heads are not too bad due to the great variation is size, but the third one on the strap cutter (discussed later) is a medium size, and somewhat pointless. I don't see there being many opportunities to use this one that couldn't just as easily be managed by either of the other two. And, there's some concern about twisting the rather thin blade if you put too much effort into it.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170321_085715.jpg?m=1490102187)
And, the dedicated flat heads are a bit stubby, but the Phillips is much nicer, with about an inch and a half of reach to get recessed screws almost anywhere, and being thinner than the bit driver on the Center-Drive it fits more places.
It's a tough decision here, much tougher than it should be considering that this is the main reason for the Center-Drive.
In the end I think this point has to go to Gerber. The bit driver adds versatility as bits are available everywhere, and to a Canadian like me, who encounters Robertson and Torx bits everywhere, that versatility matters. Plus, the Center-Drive ergonomics mean driving long screws is a lot easier on the wrist.
Bottle Opener
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094253.jpg?m=1490365576)
Both tools have gone in very different directions with the bottle openers. Leatherman put their standard can and bottle opener combo tool on the OHT, and, while it can be effective enough, I have never been a big fan of it. As a can opener it functions well enough, but I find that as a bottle opener it tends to just pierce the cap and not remove it.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094323.jpg?m=1490365837)
Meanwhile the Center-Drive suffers from the same issue we looked at yesterday with the serrated blade- you have to deploy the plier head, open the handles, pull out the bottle opener, then close the handles and retract the pliers to use it, then repreat the process to put it away.
In reality it's not that bad, as, unlike the serrated blade, you can use the bottle opener with the handles open. Since it's a bottle opener, you won't cut yourself like you would with the serrated blade, and opening bottles is generally a quick operation.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094210.jpg?m=1490365575)
Further, the Center-Drive opener is a lot more effective at pulling a cap off a bottle, which is largely the point of a bottle opener.
The Center-Drive bottle opener is also a light duty prybar, which is honestly something I personally use more than I need a can opener. One could argue that the flat head drivers on the OHT can be used for prying as well, but it does not have the nail puller notch or the angled cat's paw for leverage.
While the OHT bottle opener is easier to access, the fact that it is barely useful as a bottle opener and my lack of a personal need for a can opener means that the Center-Drive gets this point, despite being more involved to make use of it. The better function makes it worth the extra effort to get out.
Other Tools
It is hard to compare the remaining tools, as they aren't the same. Instead, I will rank them on their own merit, and award points based on whether they are useful or not.
The final tools on the OHT are a strap cutter and a wood saw, both of which are well made enough, although not perfect.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094650.jpg?m=1490365843)
As mentioned above, the strap cutter has a medium flat head at the end, which I find rather flimsy feeling. I can't shake the feeling that the cutout for the blade makes it a bit thin to use as a screwdriver, and the heat treat would either make it too brittle to use as a screwdriver or too soft to have much of an edge on the blade. It really does have to be one or the other, and so while I appreciate the dual functions, I can't help but feel they are at odds with eachother.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094658.jpg?m=1490365844)
And then they put a giant opening hole in the middle of it. :facepalm:
Even more awkward is the fact that the outer point of the cutter sticks out a bit too far. If you try to use this while cutting clothing away from an injury, it seems all too easy to accidentally hook something you don't want to.
All in all, I really can't give them a point for the cutter. I think it was a good idea to have one, I just think this is the wrong way to do it.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094739.jpg?m=1490365844)
So, that brings us to the OHT's wood saw. It is a typical Leatherman saw with good, bi-directional teeth and it cuts well. It does however suffer from being stubby, as many tools on the OHT do. Still, it is functional, despite not really being able to get a good draw on it, so Leatherman gets a point. You can see in the above photo that my OHT saw has been well used, most recently with drywall!
The Center-Drive actually has either two or three other features, depending on whether you count a lanyard attachment. Ordinarily I am not a fan of plastic lanyard attachment points, but this one does seem about as solid as it could possibly get, and so I am forced to admit that it's a good thing on the Center-Drive. And, if like me, you aren't likely to use it as a lanyard attachment point, it makes a very handy ramp to make it easier to pull out of the sheath, especially when you carry it horizontally in the sheath. Point for Gerber.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094533.jpg?m=1490365838)
Inside the handles you have an awl, which is very robust and pointy and a two sided file.
The awl is not bad, but not good either. It is very thick and comes to a really wicked point, but it isn't sharpened and it doesn't have a sewing eye, two things that would have been very easy to include. I also find it a bit on the bulky side, and honestly I am not sure what use I would get out of it- because it's so hefty, I can't help but feel that I might as well use the blade, which is much easier to access. Sorry Gerber, no point for you!
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094449.jpg?m=1490365838)
Lastly we have the file. As has been speculated before, the Center-Drive is meant for mechanics and tinkerers, and so the file is a good thing to have. Personally I rarely find myself using the file for much of anything, and when I do use them, I am usually kind of picky. I would have loved to see a diamond file on this one, and, if not a diamond then at least put metal saw teeth on the bottom, like other manufacturers do with their saws. It seems that, without a method of cutting PVC, aluminum or light gauge steel pipe that this one really missed the mark, especially considering the target market. Honestly, I would rather see a nice pair of Fiskars scissors in there- Gerber doesn't seem to use that resource as much as they should these days.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Leatherman/OHT/OHT-vs-GCD/20170324_094500.jpg?m=1490365838)
I really want to award this point to Gerber since the file is absolutely good for what it is and what it is meant for, but like the awl, I would have liked to have seen something better or something different. Harsh I know, but again, I just can't give it to them.
Score:
Today:
Leatherman 2
Gerber 2
Total:
Leatherman 9
Gerber 9
Part 4 Summary:
There you have it- a dead tie.
Yeah, it surprised me as well.
I personally would never choose the OHT as I really don't like it. It is absolutely not Leatherman's finest creation by far, and, while it seems like I have been against Leatherman from the start of this, the fact is, even when they don't make a good tool, they make a good tool. There are lots of other Leatherman models that I do like (very much) so I am not a Leatherman hater by far- I just don't like this particular tool. But, in the end, it put up a good fight and has absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
The Center-Drive is a tool I like, and I enjoy using. It has quickly become a part of my regular rotation, right up there with the Leatherman Surge, which is one of those models that I alluded to when I said I liked Leatherman products very much. What Gerber has produced here is an excellent tool that I fully recommend to anyone, both because it is a solid tool, and because if you did have problems with it, Gerber's customer service has proven time and again to be absolutely top notch- not to suggest Leatherman's is any different, but again, I don't care for the OHT and (personally) wouldn't recommend it to anyone, despite it's excellent showing in the above examination!
Summary
In the end, you really can't go wrong with either of these tools, if I'm to be honest. As we've seen, they both have their strengths and weaknesses, and my best suggestion if you are trying to decide between these two is to read through the detailed analysis I have posted above, decide which functions you need or want, and make your choice based on which one has the most strengths that go in line with your needs. Then, if you have the opportunity, handle both of them and see which one you are more comfortable with.
As much as I personally prefer the Center-Drive to the OHT, I really wouldn't be upset if I was stranded somewhere with either of them- because honestly, I would rather have either of them than nothing else, and both will do almost any job you need doing.
There you go- I hope you all enjoyed reading this series as much as I enjoyed writing it. It originally was supposed to be one post, but as I started really looking at things and picking out details the post just kept getting longer and longer and longer. Still, getting all the photos together, organising my thoughts, searching through the tiniest details and following up on getting accurate details was a lot of fun even though it was also a fair bit of work.
And, I just finished the write up an hour or so ago, and I am just as surprised by the outcome as anyone!
Def
Post by: ReamerPunch on March 24, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
I did not see that coming. Excellent points made, this is hands down the best comparison I have ever read. :salute:
I still like the CD better. The OHT is too wide, and the pliers are tiny. Isn't the plier head comparable to the Juice?
I'd say, made the head larger, get rid of the hook so the blade is as long as it can be, get rid of a flathead or the can-opener and make the saw longer. Maybe add the Surge reamer, why not.
Even the CD can be improved. Drop the serrated blade for a saw, and the file for a hacksaw holder, and put an actual reamer instead of that balloon buster. Why not have double sided bits too?
As it is, I am warming up to the CD by the day.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2017, 04:55:12 PM
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I did not see that coming. Excellent points made, this is hands down the best comparison I have ever read. :salute:
I still like the CD better. The OHT is too wide, and the pliers are tiny. Isn't the plier head comparable to the Juice?
I'd say, made the head larger, get rid of the hook so the blade is as long as it can be, get rid of a flathead or the can-opener and make the saw longer. Maybe add the Surge reamer, why not.
Even the CD can be improved. Drop the serrated blade for a saw, and the file for a hacksaw holder, and put an actual reamer instead of that balloon buster. Why not have double sided bits too?
As it is, I am warming up to the CD by the day.
I almost agree with you totally... :D
If it was my choice on the Center-Drive, I'd swap the file for the saw holder that we see on the Pro Scout and get rid of the serrated blade in favor of the scissors. I'm torn on the awl, but maybe either make it more functional or swap it out for something else- maybe a can opener?
As for the OHT, well, I'd like to see a better version of the strap cutter, maybe more in the shape of the SOG V Cutter, and ditch the screwdriver tip. I'd love to see a longer blade more than anything else I think, and yeah, slim down the handles and build up the head so they look like they belong to the same bloody tool. :facepalm:
Def
Post by: Monrogue on March 24, 2017, 05:58:07 PM
Oh, and.....:popcorn:
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Post by: G-Dizzle on March 24, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
Post by: zoidberg on March 24, 2017, 07:48:31 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 24, 2017, 07:57:16 PM
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Post by: Poncho65 on March 24, 2017, 09:03:52 PM
Post by: Sea Monster on March 24, 2017, 11:06:00 PM
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Two, wire cutters are for wire and not stainless steel rod.
The LM PST cuts stainless steel tig welding rod with aplomb, that's my standard for MT cutters, and if they can't still do it 20 years later, they F'd up.
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my lack of a personal need for a can opener means that the Center-Drive gets this point,
My personal need for can opener is quite high, I probably open a can every other day when cooking dinner.
HAVING SAID THAT - the CD is a "work" tool, if you're using one in the kitchen, perhaps you bought the wrong tool, so I give them no discredit for not having one on there - Same goes for the LM OHT, it has more outdoorsy potential, and people in those realms might have more use for a can opener.
I love a good comparo with close ups as much as the next tool fancier, but I can't help but feel, though these are similar designs and hence the call for a "shoot out", they're not aimed at the same segment of the MT market.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2017, 12:52:22 AM
But then the OHT is offered in coyote tan and black on black, so it must be meant for hardcore military tactical operators who don't really exist because of the black bag nature of their exploits, right? ::)
If they want to market it to actual outdoors people, make it high visibility orange or that weird green/yellow color so that the mountain biker in the woods doing a quick repair or adjustment on his (or her) bike can find the darn thing again after they put it down. In this old SOSAK article (http://swissarmyknights.com/articles/2007/366-practicing-safe-saks) you see how easy it is to lose something black in even shallow water.
(http://swissarmyknights.com/images/stories/October07/Lanyard/OHT_water.JPG)
So, you know, if you want to market to outdoor people, maybe you should think about that.
Which illustrates the absolute fail of the whole OHT concept as it is.... Leatherman specifically developed the OHT to be released immediately upon expiry of the Gerber sliding head patent so that Leatherman could compete with military contracts that specifically called for sliding head pliers because the military likes Gerber. But they did such a crappy job on the OHT and priced it so high that no military force is ever going to use it.
And the worst part?
You'd think that Leatherman would have learned that from the MUT, which was also aimed at the military (no pun intended) but even the guy they claimed co-designed it told me in person that it wasn't likely to be used by the military, and that if his weapon jammed when the poop hit the fan, he wasn't going to use the MUT to unjam it, he was going to toss it and pick up another from someone who wasn't using theirs anymore.
So, basically a fail, piled on top of a fail that was developed to expand on a failed concept that failed to do what it was supposed to right out of the gate.
I'm so glad that Leatherman produced the ST300 and Rebar, because I think they'd be in real trouble if they didn't occasionally show that they are still capable of making real tools.
Def
Post by: pa_strunk on March 25, 2017, 01:28:02 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2017, 01:34:23 AM
I am not trying to say that everyone else is an idiot, but at least you can count on real experience and use here at Multitool.org!
Def
Post by: Aloha on March 25, 2017, 06:39:42 AM
These are the type reviews that I know I appreciate especially when I'm looking at several tools.
Thanks for all the work done on this.
Post by: dks on March 25, 2017, 08:02:52 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 25, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
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Post by: Kampfer on March 27, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Post by: G-Dizzle on March 27, 2017, 06:22:16 PM
I have a incoming center drive.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170327/6aa3ace3cc4aa23efaebcf7671d8b115.jpg)
Post by: Kampfer on March 30, 2017, 06:06:45 PM
I have a incoming center drive.Received it yesterday, I am impressed, definitely the best Gerber tool so far, many improvements were made. It doesn't offer too many functions but it performs well for everything it does, I can see it would be useful for handyman or construction workers who use the tool a lot.
However, it is a huge tool, not sure it is the right EDC choice for normal people.
Also It carrys two bits within, that means two sizes of driver. I feel it is a little lacking IF it is carried without the bit kit.
I am going to pass it to my handy brother for further evaluation.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 30, 2017, 06:55:06 PM
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Post by: Kampfer on March 30, 2017, 11:30:05 PM
However GCD was love at the first sight to him. Now the ST is in his draw and GCD on his belt.
The 1/4" driver opens up a world of possibility for him.
Post by: kirk13 on March 31, 2017, 12:30:42 AM
I think I'm getting a bit jaded with multitool design.
I really like the OHT,and I should carry it far more than I do. To begin with,I was very anti the design,and if I'm honest,I'm still not sure why LM felt the need to do a flicky plier tool. Having used it,and reviewed it,I rather fell for it,but here's the two kickers...
One: my OHT was a prize won here. I really doubt I'd ever pay the UK price for one.
Two: it's tool load is limited. In fact it reminded me of the PST. There's other tools out there for the money that have greater utility,with less 'trendiness'
Oh,and I'm happy opening all the tools right handed. Not so happy closing them though ;)
I can't say I'd ever be over interested in the Center Drive. One of my (very) personal bugbears with bit drivers is that no matter how long they are,the size of the socket stops them penetrating to recessed screw heads. Other than that,I can't see how the CD is bringing anything new to the Gerber family.
Maybe I'll win one and change my mind :dd:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 31, 2017, 01:29:09 AM
When the patent expired, Leatherman had the OHT already designed and ready to go, so they could get right on stealing those contracts.
Except that the OHT is much more expensive, bulkier and with no significant improvements over the MP600, which kind of defeats the purpose of having it in the first place. :facepalm:
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Post by: WoodsDuck on March 31, 2017, 02:55:15 AM
Leatherman did a sliding plier head tool to try and steal some of the military contracts that call for a sliding head plier tool. Many military agencies like the Gerbers, but they can't only open a contract to only one manufacturer, so they stipulated something in the contract that would take the other competitors out thanks to Gerber's patent.
When the patent expired, Leatherman had the OHT already designed and ready to go, so they could get right on stealing those contracts.
Except that the OHT is much more expensive, bulkier and with no significant improvements over the MP600, which kind of defeats the purpose of having it in the first place. :facepalm:
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For some reason this story makes me smile every time it's told.
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Probably because the MP600 rules and the OHT eats :hatsoff:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 31, 2017, 03:59:03 AM
When Gerber tried to out-Leatherman the folks at Leatherman, Leatherman lost.
http://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=MPT
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Post by: zoidberg on March 31, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
I really dig the MP600 and I've just gone thirty days straight with the OHT.
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Post by: firiki on March 31, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Post by: zoidberg on March 31, 2017, 11:44:18 AM
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Post by: firiki on March 31, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
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IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
Post by: magentus on March 31, 2017, 12:58:02 PM
I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
Post by: firiki on March 31, 2017, 01:02:43 PM
I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
I don't trust you, magentus; you're probably just trying to get rid of the awl puns :D
Post by: magentus on March 31, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
That's a scandawlous accusation.I hear the Schrade Tough Tool is a good one to get hold of :pok:...
IMO sliding pliers is win.
Why do you think that? I can see some cases where sliding pliers are advantageous but in general I feel the usual, butterfly opening style MTs are more versatile when it comes to using the rest of the implements.
Easier to disengage a jam. Deployment. Jaws open wider. Simple strong design. Different handle pivots.
I also like sog's geared pliers but feel the rest of their tool design lets them down.
Totally understand butterfly openers have their good points, just found once I put some wear on them they can be annoying.
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
I don't trust you, magentus; you're probably just trying to get rid of the awl puns :D
Post by: zoidberg on March 31, 2017, 01:14:26 PM
Agreed on pliers, I don't get different handle pivots, could you explain?
Butterfly style, you mean like the handles loosening and moving around freely?
Good thing I'm a SAK/knife guy and sold on my Swisstools so don't intend to look any further :ahhh (unless something catches my attention).
Yes, loosening or tightening up. Kids can struggle to access butterfly pliers. They'll happily play with sliding pliers though.
Post by: Scorpion Regent on August 09, 2017, 05:43:24 PM
Post by: Barry Rowland on August 11, 2017, 07:16:22 PM