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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: Dale on February 16, 2014, 08:31:49 PM
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Looking at a few MT's. I am stuck... Which is the better of the Two MT's ?
The Gerber MP600 or the Diesel?
Anyone have these & which do you prefer & why?
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The 600 is a classic. Its kinda like a Sherman tank( well a Firefly...the British one with the good gun >:D). Its rough,clanky and pretty unbreakable.
The Diesel is the fixed version,has the rough edges removed. I did order one,but it was a bogus seller,and never got it :rant:
Chances are you be disappointed in both...neither match LM standards,let alone Victorinox ones. Personally I'd still go with a MP600 ProScout...or a MP400.
I'm sure the enforcers of the Gerber Mafia will be here in a minute :D
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I just ordered an mp600. I'll let you know what I think. It's the last of the big 4 I'm missing.
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The 600 is a classic. Its kinda like a Sherman tank( well a Firefly...the British one with the good gun >:D).
Ouch! :twak: That was a bit low, don't you think? Why don't you send me all your inferior, non-British modified American tools and knives? I'll PM you my address. :P
I'm sure the enforcers of the Gerber Mafia will be here in a minute :D
:twak: There is no Mafia. Those are all legitimate businessmen just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! ::)
Now that that's out of the way, you really can't go wrong with the MP600. I have four of them. My regular user is the Pro Scout, which has scissors and a replaceable saw. True, they're not a refined as many Leatherman or Victorinox offerings, but as a user the 600 is a tank. I work in the home improvement industry, and the vast majority of multitools I see contractors carrying are MP's usually 600's but some 400's as well. They're nothing too fancy, just good, tough working tools. In terms of the Gerber line, the 400 Compact Sport is actually my favorite, and the tool that I'm carrying more likely than not. Just as tough as its big brother, in a smaller package. I've handled the Diesel, but haven't gotten around to getting myself one yet. I can't see any big advantage for it over the 600. I'm sure I'll have one at some point though.
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The 600 is a classic. Its kinda like a Sherman tank( well a Firefly...the British one with the good gun >:D).
Ouch! :twak: That was a bit low, don't you think? Why don't you send me all your inferior, non-British modified American tools and knives? I'll PM you my address. :P
So....that means I can keep my Gerber MP425,my MP600BW, my KST,my Fuse BW, my P.U.G... :rofl:
I'm sure the enforcers of the Gerber Mafia will be here in a minute :D
:twak: There is no Mafia. Those are all legitimate businessmen just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families! ::)
Si Fat Tony :salute:
Oh and Fiskers scissors rock!
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I like the diesel for its tool load out.
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I like the diesel for its tool load out.
The tool loadout on the MP600 Pro Scout is identical with two exceptions - the Remgrit saw on the 600, and the 600's Phillips driver is 3D, not the flattened one on the Diesel.
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I like the diesel for its tool load out.
The tool loadout on the MP600 Pro Scout is identical with two exceptions - the Remgrit saw on the 600, and the 600's Phillips driver is 3D, not the flattened one on the Diesel.
Didn't someone put 600 tools into a Diesel?
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Hey@ While I'm at it.. Can anyone tell me what this is.. I got it years ago in the Military... It's a Gerber other than that I have no idea....
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/67e3c5bd-33fe-4b27-bbe0-93d5a30095c2_zpsda5c7c58.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/20140216_163301_zpseb26773d.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/20140216_163413_zps4db3a024.jpg)
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That's a old Gerber "Mr Pinchy" (Multi-Plier) version 2]. That was the first Gerber made in quantity. The version 1] wasn't made in great number before they bought out this improved model.
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That's a old Gerber "Mr Pinchy" (Multi-Plier) version 2]. That was the first Gerber made in quantity. The version 1] wasn't made in great number before they bought out this improved model.
Thanks Greg :cheers:
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:drool:
BO Mr. Pinchy! :tu: if you ever get rid of it let me know.
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I have a couple of MP600's and a Diesel. Both are good tools IMO but I'd give the upper hand to the MP600; just a bit higher fit and finish. That said, if the tool selection of the Diesel suits you then it's a good enough MT. :)
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:drool:
BO Mr. Pinchy! :tu: if you ever get rid of it let me know.
Everything is for sale or trade.... except my wife... she was very clear about that.
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:drool:
BO Mr. Pinchy! :tu: if you ever get rid of it let me know.
Everything is for sale or trade.... except my wife... she was very clear about that.
:rofl: good man. :D
Well PM me with a number. :pok: :D
Just a heads up. Any payment would have to be with a USPS money order.
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Looking at a few MT's. I am stuck... Which is the better of the Two MT's ?
The Gerber MP600 or the Diesel?
Anyone have these & which do you prefer & why?
mp600 all the way
it really is a tank.
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Nice BO Pinchy Dale. :tu: Love the old awl, that sucker is wicked looking! The current US Army issue tool is a BO MP600. I have one and carry it regularly.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF1931_zpsf8fc0cf2.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/DSCF1931_zpsf8fc0cf2.jpg.html)
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And just because this thread needs more pics, ;) here's my Pro Scout. Love this tool. It really is a workhorse.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF1929_zps519e41cc.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/DSCF1929_zps519e41cc.jpg.html)
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Jersey, how do you feel about the new Wharncliffe blades on the MPs vs the old style? Love the Pro Scout
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Jersey, how do you feel about the new Wharncliffe blades on the MPs vs the old style? Love the Pro Scout
The Pro Scout is my favorite full-size multitool. Today though I'm carrying the black issue one.... As to the blade, honestly I don't have too much of an opinion on it. The blades on my multitools are the least-used thing on them. I always have a dedicated folder and/or a SAK on me, so there's really no need for it. I don't mind Wharncliffes though, my favorite work folder is the Kershaw Needs Work, which has a Wharncliffe blade. Very useful utility design.
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I hate the poor excuse for a blade Gerber uses now. Yes sure it cuts, but come on Gerber. Step it up. I have no idea why they ever switched. :think:
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@Dale that BO Mr Pinchy is sweet. I am pretty much a LM guy but I love Gerber especially the older ones like the one you pictured. I won a MP400 in JerseyDevils give away and love it size and load out. I don't have a 600 or Diesel so I don't have anything to add but Gerber does have a lifetime warranty and their customer service as reported here it top notch.
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The MP600 is a sweet MT. Mine has replaced my TTi for EDC.
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
Nice! Love the MP400. :tu:
If you have a Leatherman Blast leather sheath and put a small hole in the bottom it fits perfectly and is very slim.
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
>:D I've been on a roll the past few weeks! That's a great price on one as well. :tu: Looking forward to hearing your opinion of it!
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And just because this thread needs more pics, ;) here's my Pro Scout. Love this tool. It really is a workhorse.
(http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g448/Jerseydevil379/DSCF1929_zps519e41cc.jpg) (http://s1102.photobucket.com/user/Jerseydevil379/media/DSCF1929_zps519e41cc.jpg.html)
I have a deal in the works for one of these... Love the look of them
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So in the past 24 hours you've tripled your Gerber count huh? Good deal. :tu: I think you'll like the 600. I've been carrying mine regularly lately , it's just a tank. Be sure to let us know what you think of the new toys.
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If you must spend the money on a gerber, I would go with the mp600 with the replaceable cutters. Gerber used to be a much better company way back when they were all USA all the time. I have carried one on my duty belt for years and found it to be subpar to leatherman. You cannot compare the supertool 300 or new surge to the 600, unless you are looking for a one hand feature, and that being said I still feel a surge is more of a tank, especially with the outside opening blades. The diesel leaves much to be desired. It does not slide open as easily as the 600 and it doesn't come with replaceable cutters either. I'd say invest in a St300 or a surge then carry either for a few days before deciding to buy the 600. Just my opinion and experience. Trying to help ! Lol
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If you must spend the money on a gerber, I would go with the mp600 with the replaceable cutters. Gerber used to be a much better company way back when they were all USA all the time. I have carried one on my duty belt for years and found it to be subpar to leatherman. You cannot compare the supertool 300 or new surge to the 600, unless you are looking for a one hand feature, and that being said I still feel a surge is more of a tank, especially with the outside opening blades. The diesel leaves much to be desired. It does not slide open as easily as the 600 and it doesn't come with replaceable cutters either. I'd say invest in a St300 or a surge then carry either for a few days before deciding to buy the 600. Just my opinion and experience. Trying to help ! Lol
Lol... A very well informed & accurate assesment. Alas I already have a ST 300... But you did make me wanna go buy another one.
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
Good looking piece! You will get a lot of use out of that thing. I actually carried my old (2004) MP400 at work this past tour and really enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Sure, it was aggravating trying to open everything out of the inside of the tool, but it is such a comfortable tool with easy to use pliers that I really didn't mind too bad. In fact, it kind of has me wanting a MP600. I am going to be on the lookout for a blunt-nose ProScout and if I find one, it will be mine.
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
Good looking piece! You will get a lot of use out of that thing. I actually carried my old (2004) MP400 at work this past tour and really enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Sure, it was aggravating trying to open everything out of the inside of the tool, but it is such a comfortable tool with easy to use pliers that I really didn't mind too bad. In fact, it kind of has me wanting a MP600. I am going to be on the lookout for a blunt-nose ProScout and if I find one, it will be mine.
I have this on the way too!!! No sense half stepping... LOL
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/742bbfc5-b463-48bb-8899-82dfd1a1ff52_zps754b7544.jpg)
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Wow, you work fast! Lol
And again, another good looking tool. Let us know how you like your new Gerbers
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I blame ya'll
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I blame ya'll
Don't blame us. We're just trying to get you to experience new things, and to realize that there is more to the multitool world than Leatherman. We're not trying to enable, we're trying to help and expand your horizons. :tu:
OK, that was a load of BS. Blame away! >:D
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I blame ya'll
Don't blame us. We're just trying to get you to experience new things, and to realize that there is more to the multitool world than Leatherman. We're not trying to enable, we're trying to help and expand your horizons. :tu:
OK, that was a load of BS. Blame away! >:D
it was a great pitch tho.... Gonna try it on Mrs D
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I blame ya'll
Don't blame us. We're just trying to get you to experience new things, and to realize that there is more to the multitool world than Leatherman. We're not trying to enable, we're trying to help and expand your horizons. :tu:
OK, that was a load of BS. Blame away! >:D
You had me thinking that you must of have a bad fever with what you were saying there! We are the Enablers!!
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I blame you Jersey!!! You cost me a $20
Gerber 400 COMPACT SPORT
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/fb7af2d3-0284-4a1f-970f-e84cbf2e7d81_zps7b448370.jpg)
Good looking piece! You will get a lot of use out of that thing. I actually carried my old (2004) MP400 at work this past tour and really enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Sure, it was aggravating trying to open everything out of the inside of the tool, but it is such a comfortable tool with easy to use pliers that I really didn't mind too bad. In fact, it kind of has me wanting a MP600. I am going to be on the lookout for a blunt-nose ProScout and if I find one, it will be mine.
You can always just get a regular Pro Scout, and a regular bluntnose MP600, and mate them into a bluntnose ProScout ;) That's what Lowtech did for me, at least, supposed to be a really easy mod :)
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I was actually just catching up on that topic. I didn't realize that BN MP600 ProScouts were so rare. I will be keeping my eyes open for donor MP600s in order to make one to my liking.
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Swapping the heads over really is pretty easy, just be careful not to lose the little springs that sit in behind the buttons.
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The BN Pro Scout does seem to be a bit of a rare fish for some reason, but they definitely do exist.
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/multitools/MP600007.jpg)
Not a head swap, bought of the shelf that way. 8)
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how big is an MP600 compared to a Leatherman?
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Here's mine next to a TTi and PST.
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Another shot.
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ST200.
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ST200.
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I have owned three Gerbers:
The Multiplier shown on page one here with the large awl. That was a great tool. I carried it for a very long time, and had no real complaints aside from the pinch problem. It was my first MT, and I only replaced it due to loss.
A Pro Scout. Also a terrific tool. That was EDC for many years and even I used it extensively as a handyman, in the shop at college, and to renovate a 100 year old house. My only continuing issue was the pinching.
A Diesel. This was an utter piece of garbage, and put me off Gerber entirely. You see, my Pro Scout was preceded by a LM ST200 that I never carried. I got the LM as a gift after I lost the original Multiplier. I missed the one hand pliers, and for sentimental reasons I just wanted another Gerber. So I went and bought the Pro Scout days after getting the ST.
I did eventually start using the ST for jobs on occasion because of the saw and nicer blade. Then the Pro Scout pliers finally went south on me and got all sticky. They were just useless. The ST was actually a solid tool, and I came to appreciate it, but I still had my Gerber fetish on as I had owned two of them that just kicked a$$ and really saw rough use.
Anyway, to wrap a long story.. I carried the ST, and truly loved it, until I saw the Diesel. It looked like the ultimate Gerber to me. I had to have one, and my by now trusty ST200 lost its place on my hip..
..for about 3 days.
The first day I had the Diesel I went to cut a zip tie with that ugly warncliff combo blade. The tip chipped right off. Ugh. I suddenly missed the old Gerber blades and my ST200 blade.
Soon after I discovered that the scissors spring would slip up onto the scissors. Ugh again. My Pro Scout scissors were top notch. These sucked.
Day three I needed to remove a stair railing. Just some wood screws in studs under drywall. The Phillips stripped on the first screw. I mean all the fins rounded right off. I was absolutely pi$$ed off. The ST finished the job with absolute ease. The Diesel was deemed the end of my love affair with Gerber. It hit me right then and there that while the Gerbers had the whiz bang flick pliers factor, my ST200 was just better in every way. And I had always viewed it as something I wanted to replace with a Gerber ASAP. Dumb dumb dumb.
I went happily back to the ST and never looked back. I bought a Surge eventually, and I liked a lot of things about it. It isn't perfect, but it was as good as my Pro Scout. I bought an ST300 and find it to be excellent. I now EDC a Rebar and think it is the closest thing to a Pro Scout I have ever owned. It is also smaller, and does not pinch me.
So, if you ask me, I would NEVER buy a Diesel for any reason whatsoever. I would, however, happily buy another Pro Scout. I just don't need one. And that blade they use now sucks donkey scrote. If Gerber brought back the old blade, I would say a Pro Scout or Rebar or Spirit or Wave are THE recommended EDC MTs, period.
Avoid the Diesel. And for anyone recommending one, have you ever actually used it for real work? I mean really? I am sure someone here will chime in and say yes. I am dubious. The blade, scissors, and Phillips driver all are utter crap. Sorry.
Someone above mentioned that one of us put Pro Scout bits into a Diesel. That was me. After the thing failed miserably, I added the parts from my pliers locked Pro Scout. The proper 3D Phillips, the scissors (I think anyway), the saw blade exchanger, and the blade. I managed to keep the openers, the file, and the Diesel saw. It was a waste of time though. I now have a Gerber aversion and it just feels cheap to me.
I admit to kinda wanting a Dime and a 400. I won't buy them though. Eh.
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Thanks Glorn.. I did a bit of research. There a A LOT of people out there with your same opinion.. I have a Pro Scout on the way.... There's something about the look of the Scout that I really like.
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No problem, hoss. Happy to help.
My opinion and $5 will get you a coffee at Starbucks, but I am a user as opposed to a collector. I believe MTs and SAKs should be mandatory on every human on Earth from the day they are born. So when I come across a naff multi, I'm gonna do my best to assure nobody else gets saddled with one, the manufacturer sells less of them, and it doesn't ruin any first time MT buyers opinion of multitools.
If we as users and enthusiasts expect a higher standard and help get higher standard tools into peoples hands, everyone is better off.
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...sucks donkey scrote.
:rofl:
But... how do you REALLY feel? :D
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I've also read that about the Diesel. That's one reason that I'm not in a hurry to get myself one. As users though, I'll put my MP400 and 600's against all comers. Yes, they're not as refined as, say, a Spirit. They're tough tools though. I've never had a single issue with any modern MP I've ever handled. No current MP has ever pinched me, either. The old ones? My first one got me about two minutes after I got it out of the package. Yes, Gerber gets its share of abuse on this forum, and at times rightly so. Hell, I broke a Suspension just handling it in a store! :oops: But an MP600 won't let you down, that I say with confidence. Mine never has, and I'm not exactly one to baby my tools. :tu:
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I have been carrying Gerber MPs (Original Multiplier and MP 600s later) for the last 17 years.
Apart from normal wear (dull blades, abused Awl and wire cutter) or pure curiosity for teh other models, there was no need to ever replace or repair any of them.
If it was not for the Forum, I´d still be using my first, standard Bluntnosed MP 600.
I did try out SOG, Leatherman, Vic and others, but I always have come back to my Gerber - I know about it´s limitatons an capabilities and I do get along with the inside tools pretty well - Usually I dont need my blade/file7scissor one hand opening, but if i need, I can get them out with one hand.
Not refined or elegant tools, but capable ones.
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The Mailman was good to me today!
The MP600 Pro Scout & It's little brother the MP400 Compact
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/Mobile%20Uploads/20140222_154724_zps6kpi7fyd.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh571/ajones1051/Mobile%20Uploads/20140222_154550_zpsd8kswnmu.jpg)
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Being that I dont care for nylon sheaths.... Anyone know where I could get a couple leather shesths for these? I'd actually prefer the custom open top pancake style...
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If you use a blast leather sheath you can do this. Fits extremely well you just have to put a hole in it. This will only work for the MP400.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=47631.msg783091#msg783091
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If you use a blast leather sheath you can do this. Fits extremely well you just have to put a hole in it. This will only work for the MP400.
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=47631.msg783091#msg783091
+1
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I found a Leathersmith here locally.. I think I'm gonna have him make me a few sheaths. :)
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I made a modified LM sheath for my MP 400:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_2_zps43d9b67d.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_2_zps43d9b67d.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_3_zps74bd15dc.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_3_zps74bd15dc.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_4_zpsd5afd247.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_4_zpsd5afd247.jpg.html)
compared to the stock one:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_1_zpsa7219e14.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_1_zpsa7219e14.jpg.html)
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I made a modified LM sheath for my MP 400:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_2_zps43d9b67d.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_2_zps43d9b67d.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_3_zps74bd15dc.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_3_zps74bd15dc.jpg.html)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_4_zpsd5afd247.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_4_zpsd5afd247.jpg.html)
compared to the stock one:
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y102/mattschwarz/tools/mpsheath_1_zpsa7219e14.jpg) (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/mattschwarz/media/tools/mpsheath_1_zpsa7219e14.jpg.html)
Nice!!
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I see some Gerber leather sheaths on the bay once in a while. They are not as common as the nylon sheaths. Come to think of it I dont know if I've ever seen a leather sheath for a 400 or 600 :think: :)
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One would be nice to find as I really don't like the Gerber nylon sheaths.
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One would be nice to find as I really don't like the Gerber nylon sheaths.
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The only nylons used in this house are the ones Mrs D wears.... Nylon is a sorry material to make anything else out of.
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I don't mind my nylon MUT sheath, and I like my SwissTool nylon sheath, but haven't seen a Gerber one that I like.
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I don't mind my nylon MUT sheath, and I like my SwissTool nylon sheath, but haven't seen a Gerber one that I like.
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Well, gotta eat my words.... I do like my Nylon Mut sheath... But it seems to be a higher quality than the Gerber ones...
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I think they do use higher quality materials, or at least it feels that way.
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