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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: algernonramone on October 24, 2010, 07:34:08 PM
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Any one make Alox customs? I have an idea for a new model (Farmer + file/metal saw + pruning blade/electrician's blade layer), but I don't know if anyone can build one or what the cost would be. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Ed
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Any one make Alox customs? I have an idea for a new model (Farmer + file/metal saw + pruning blade/electrician's blade layer), but I don't know if anyone can build one or what the cost would be. Any ideas?
Can the file fit in the 93mm frame? I don't seem to have seen that type of mod.
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I assume it does, but I really don't know. That's why I need to find someone who does this sort of thing.
Actually, wasn't there an Alox Swisschamp floating around a while back? That would have the file in it, right?
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Yes the 91mm file can be drilled out and fitted to the 93mm frame.
Now the pruner/electrician layer seems like a no brainer but... I've tried it (long time ago) and am trying to remember why it didn't work :think: It was either the kick sizes or blocking of nail nicks but I can't remember which :ahhh
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... Now the pruner/electrician layer seems like a no brainer but... I've tried it (long time ago) and am trying to remember why it didn't work :think: It was either the kick sizes or blocking of nail nicks but I can't remember which :ahhh
That's one thing I want. it could make the perfect knife for me as a combo or a do it all. They do it on those fancy 91mm collectors, and the tools are available on the 93mm on different models at the right ends, so maybe if it really won't work it was a nail nick thing.... maybe with the right tools... since I think the small pruner is available on either end on 93mm knives and so it the sheepsfoot. Maybe there are different profiles for these that would allow the two in the same layer, because on Alox I don't want to give up the reamer.
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Yeah, I work in telecom, and I think this would be a perfect pairing to a Cybertool Lite and/or a multi-tool for me. I thought about a customized Cybertool Lite, but decided that a custom Farmer might be a better option. I'd rather carry 2 knives that fit my hands rather than 1 that's too big. I hope we can figure out a way that this could work!
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It could well have been a nail nick clearance issue as I remember I needed to retain the opener layer. However keep in mind that both those blades replace the can opener normally and the opener backspring isn't symmetrical so it could still be a kick issue :ahhh
I'll have to physically check.
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pruner and electricians blade in the same knife is not a problem but it's not easily possible in the same layer.
You cannot exchange the bottler opener with a pruner or electricians blade. The nail nick would be on the wrong side.
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So it was a nick access issue :D Thanks :tu:
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How are the layers arranged on a Swisschamp XLT? Are the pruner and electrician's blade on the same layer? If so, is it possible to do a similar set on an Alox frame?
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Yes, on the XLT they are on the same layer.
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(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz255/neilstools/Victorinox/xlt-2.jpg?t=1288086501)
different frame of course :) If people :pok: me towards the end of the week I'll see if I've got the parts to check this with :)
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I'd love to see you try, it might be instructive... :)
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Can a Farmer with scissors be made?
Is so does anything need to be sacrificed?
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Can a Farmer with scissors be made?
Is so does anything need to be sacrificed?
There's a few of those knocking around :) No real issues. You drill out a 91mm scissors and its backspring and fit them into the 93mm frame. Additional liner and a bit of brass required. Action on the scissors will be acceptable but don't expect it to be as snappy as the tools that are designed to fit that frame.
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Can a Farmer with scissors be made?
Is so does anything need to be sacrificed?
There's a few of those knocking around :) No real issues. You drill out a 91mm scissors and its backspring and fit them into the 93mm frame. Additional liner and a bit of brass required. Action on the scissors will be acceptable but don't expect it to be as snappy as the tools that are designed to fit that frame.
You can add snap using a brass tube around the brass pin. In this way the snap is as usuall.
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I'd considered that but I felt that the snap was acceptable without and I must admit, I felt better not putting the additional strain on the backspring as it was already being employed in a role it was not designed for :) I'm probably just paranoid :D
Excellent picture by the way :tu:
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I'd considered that but I felt that the snap was acceptable without and I must admit, I felt better not putting the additional strain on the backspring as it was already being employed in a role it was not designed for :) I'm probably just paranoid :D
Excellent picture by the way :tu:
This is Swiss quality :twak: and this spring will stand forever... hopefully.... :D :D :D
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(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/stars.gif) Ouch, yes of course it will, what was I thinking ;)
They last forever.... or until some grubby Brit start shoving them in places they shouldn't go :D
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Can a Farmer with scissors be made?
Is so does anything need to be sacrificed?
Any excuse to show off my Scibeer mod. :D
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/gareth_hunt/DSCF3686.jpg)
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Very nice idea with the extra bushing! I like snap. I noticed my EDC, probably an early scissor mod have no snap. I have some other thoguht hat seem to have more, not sure if they did anything special or it's just in the peening. I'm not sure if any have factory level snap.
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Can a Farmer with scissors be made?
Is so does anything need to be sacrificed?
Any excuse to show off my Scibeer mod. :D
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/gareth_hunt/DSCF3686.jpg)
Nice :drool:
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Did anyone come to the conclusion if the pruner/electrician blades from the XLT can be used in the same layer on a 93mm? What if they were in the layer behind the bottle/can openers or after the saw? can you get access to the nail nicks then?
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Pron :D
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Did anyone come to the conclusion if the pruner/electrician blades from the XLT can be used in the same layer on a 93mm? What if they were in the layer behind the bottle/can openers or after the saw? can you get access to the nail nicks then?
I did some investigation about this issue today.
I took a farmer and exchanged the bottle/can opener layer with a pruner/electrician blade layer and it works!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCJ98Yn9CI/AAAAAAAABwo/MlLYbXWfo8c/s640/DSCN9702.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCKAPOMcmI/AAAAAAAABw0/3xXpXCYbixw/s640/DSCN9704.JPG)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCJ_HJ_E-I/AAAAAAAABww/Hh1O4fwBBzk/s640/DSCN9705.JPG)
You can even add the bottle/can opener layer. Then the electrician blade is hidden behind the can opener, but it's still possible to open it.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCK_hNGqZI/AAAAAAAABxI/4vI7eF6-5xY/s640/DSCN9641.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCLAinus3I/AAAAAAAABxM/OPOQy6QLI8Y/s640/DSCN9645.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_FNlpQ5hIeCc/TaCMaFR2CSI/AAAAAAAABxU/FdnDv0NdkXo/s640/DSCN9638.JPG)
More pics....
https://picasaweb.google.com/marsax7000/AloxModPrunerAndElectricianBlade?feat=directlink
(https://picasaweb.google.com/marsax7000/AloxModPrunerAndElectricianBlade?feat=directlink)
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Fantastic shots Victor. :salute:
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OH thankyou so much! Just what i wanted to see/hear. I will have to try this.
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Great shots! Thanks 8)
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AWESOME!! And great pictures...
I've been wanting an Alox knife with these two blades for a long time!
Thanks for the testing!
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Superb job. Great to see the pictures. :salute:
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:tu: very cool!
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That looks amazing! I really want one! Any chance anyone can make that w/ a file blade as well? Any idea how much it would cost?
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It wouldn't be cheap. That's for sure. Thought I'd chime in here. Been kinda sick lately though. You'd have to find/buy at least 2 alox models 3 would be best for the build and a SAK with the file. I actually put one on my alox mod but removed it as it was an unwieldily beast (6 layers). I'm happy with the one I have now.
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That looks amazing! I really want one! Any chance anyone can make that w/ a file blade as well? Any idea how much it would cost?
I'll give it a try next weekend. I'm not sure about the file.... :think:
Stay tuned :D
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That looks amazing! I really want one! Any chance anyone can make that w/ a file blade as well? Any idea how much it would cost?
I'll give it a try next weekend. I'm not sure about the file.... :think:
Stay tuned :D
The file will work ;) Just do a harryf3 mod to it as seen in the sticky at the mod squad.
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OK today I've put together what I think was the initial question for.
This 5 layer configuration includes:
Layer1: main blade and awl (from Farmer)
Layer2: wood saw (from Farmer)
Layer3: metal file/saw (from a 91mm Ranger)
Layer4: electrician balde and pruner blade (from Alox Apprentice and Alox Pruner)
Layer5: can opener and bottle opener (from Farmer)
and the key ring can also be added if desired...
It works fine and is easy to make. There is no technical issue but perhaps a tiny commercial one. ;)
You will need: Farmer + Apprentice + Pruner + Mountanier (or Ranger or ...) to get all parts.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-u4-0bxqdHoY/Tr05OljSaSI/AAAAAAAADMY/6f06Fgcfnxw/s800/DSCN4975_r.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IwNSGE81Z0Y/Tr05QejdCGI/AAAAAAAADMo/lYE-pIEO-eE/s800/DSCN4979_r.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2mn3TDYsdUA/Tr05O9nuUJI/AAAAAAAADMc/B-ll2fxlDfU/s800/DSCN4973_r.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kJhzegCWXX0/Tr05QhUiE1I/AAAAAAAADMs/sB55PrnWJEE/s800/DSCN4981_r.jpg)
Some more pics... (https://picasaweb.google.com/marsax7000/AloxModPrunerAndElectricianBlade?authuser=0&feat=directlink)
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Oh Very Nice!!!
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Oh that looks amazing! How hard will it be to finish off the pins? I've been really wondering how hard alox modding would be, and I have no idea how to redo the rivets. Do you need to peen the pin stock in some sort of holder to give it the right shape, or peen against the scale itself?
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Yes, that's exactly what I want, in Silver Alox. Sounds a bit rich for my blood, though. You think it would be ~$125 or so?
I have a good name suggestion - the Victorinox Lineman.
edit - Do you think it would work using just a Pioneer Harvester, an Alox Apprentice, and a Ranger? The can opener on the Ranger might need to be drilled out, but since the file needs to be as well, I'm thinking it might not be a big deal.
edit 2 - Make that an Electrician instead of an Apprentice, I believe you need the extra backspring.
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If you want to sell that knife, you know who to call. :drool: :cheers:
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Oh that looks amazing! How hard will it be to finish off the pins? I've been really wondering how hard alox modding would be, and I have no idea how to redo the rivets. Do you need to peen the pin stock in some sort of holder to give it the right shape, or peen against the scale itself?
For peening tips and tricks have a look here http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,28568.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,28568.0.html) and in other Mod threads....
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Yes, that's exactly what I want, in Silver Alox. Sounds a bit rich for my blood, though. You think it would be ~$125 or so?
I have a good name suggestion - the Victorinox Lineman.
edit - Do you think it would work using just a Pioneer Harvester, an Alox Apprentice, and a Ranger? The can opener on the Ranger might need to be drilled out, but since the file needs to be as well, I'm thinking it might not be a big deal.
edit 2 - Make that an Electrician instead of an Apprentice, I believe you need the extra backspring.
I would not use the can opener from a 91mm it's a bit thinner than the Alox one. Some small parts like a wood saw backspring, one or two liners and a little spacer is also needed in adition to the above mentioned knives, but this stuff usually lay around on every modder's workbench. ;)
For material about $125 should be ok. Now you need to find a modder in your country (I don't know where you are from) or of course you can do it yourself...
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/board,16.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/board,16.0.html)
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If you want to sell that knife, you know who to call. :drool: :cheers:
Do you want it as it is or after peening ? :D
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If you want to sell that knife, you know who to call. :drool: :cheers:
Do you want it as it is or after peening ? :D
I'll take that peened please! :D
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I'm thinking again about getting this one done. Who would be willing to put this together? How much would it run?