Post by: Simon_Templar on January 16, 2020, 11:41:16 PM
In view of the upcoming Fieldmaster challenge, I feel it is my holy duty as a Swiss Army Knight to point out how utterly pointless the Fieldmaster is. The Huntsman pairs a saw with a corkscrew. It is rather easy to picture a romantic camping scenario where these two tools might come in handy. But who in their right mind would ever pair a saw with a Philips screwdriver?
Cheers,
Blasphemous Simon
Post by: Nix on January 16, 2020, 11:47:19 PM
Post by: Nix on January 16, 2020, 11:50:21 PM
Post by: SirVicaLot on January 16, 2020, 11:51:18 PM
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 16, 2020, 11:52:30 PM
Scenario: you are changing out a light switch for a larger box, say a single to a double. The straight driver removes the plate, the Phillips is used to remove the box, the saw gets used to open the hole. Cap lifter gets used to open a beer after a job well done. Viola! Fieldmaster to the rescue!
Touché! ;)
Post by: BClogic on January 16, 2020, 11:55:48 PM
I have spent many seconds learning to open a corked bottle of wine with my FIeldmaster for just such an occasion! Also, to justify the need of not needing SAK with a corkscrew! But I still have and want more :rofl: :cheers:
Post by: Greg Jones on January 17, 2020, 12:02:43 AM
Post by: BClogic on January 17, 2020, 12:08:12 AM
Cutting a stick is much easier......
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Post by: LoopCutter on January 17, 2020, 12:16:41 AM
Scenario: you are changing out a light switch for a larger box, say a single to a double. The straight driver removes the plate, the Phillips is used to remove the box, the saw gets used to open the hole. Cap lifter gets used to open a beer after a job well done. Viola! Fieldmaster to the rescue!The Phillips will also loosen and tighten wire connectors on see we itch or outlet.
Definitely an American tool, who corks their BEER? If opened you drink it.
Post by: Greg Jones on January 17, 2020, 12:27:30 AM
What I learned (think I explained this some where’s else) is: small blade cuts into cork, push the can opener into the cut, twist the cork loose to break the bond. Once the cork is 1/4 way out it wants to split. Rotate Fieldmaster perpendicular with bottle and pinch the cork between thumb and pointer and start to rotate cork out!
Cutting a stick is much easier......
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But your method, requires nothing more than a Recruit :hatsoff:
That's the beauty of a SAK, they give us the tools, the rest is imagination :cheers:
Post by: SirVicaLot on January 17, 2020, 12:36:53 AM
That's the beauty of a SAK, they give us the tools, the rest is imagination :cheers:
Amen! :like:
Post by: BClogic on January 17, 2020, 12:44:01 AM
But your method, requires nothing more than a Recruit :hatsoff::think: :facepalm:
That's the beauty of a SAK, they give us the tools, the rest is imagination :cheers:
Agreed, Ive had more fun EDCing a SAK than any other MT or folder that I've owned/own. :cheers:
Post by: Storm on January 17, 2020, 12:45:10 AM
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 17, 2020, 12:53:01 AM
I like the way you think, Nix :rofl: :cheers:
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 17, 2020, 12:54:22 AM
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 17, 2020, 01:05:56 AM
Use the saw to cut an appropriate size stick, then use said stick to push the cork into the bottle, yes you can, yes I have, I'll have to demonstrate it during the challenge, I'll admit it does take some force, especially if the bottle is hydro locked with too much wine :hatsoff:
So you end up with the cork in the bottle? Splendid. Now you just have to add some ice cubes to your drink. Fieldmaster saved the day!
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 17, 2020, 01:08:59 AM
Post by: BClogic on January 17, 2020, 01:21:05 AM
Post by: Sos24 on January 17, 2020, 01:26:02 AM
However, the battery compartment on my battery operated fan requires a phillips and I would hate for the romance to be spoiled because we were sweating and the fan batteries couldn’t be replaced. Also, the screws on my gun holster require a phillips and I have been known to come across some not so friendly wildlife while camping. I never did need to shoot one, but if the need did arise I would hate to have a holster malfunction keep me from protecting my wife, especially if a phillips could have prevented it.
Post by: Greg Jones on January 17, 2020, 01:33:44 AM
Trust me, when the situation calls for shoving the Cork into the bottle, forget ice cubes or glasses, you're drinking it right out of the bottle, adds a whole new level of romance passing the bottle :rofl:
Post by: SirVicaLot on January 17, 2020, 01:46:57 AM
Post by: Barry Rowland on January 17, 2020, 02:12:59 AM
Post by: cody6268 on January 17, 2020, 04:52:36 PM
And, if I ever need a corkscrew, there's always my Waiter or Alpineer (seriously, a great side carry with a backside Phillips SAK--thin and lightweight if you've got a slide-lock version).
Post by: boatman422 on January 17, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Backside Phillips can be used as a light duty punch (in a pinch).
Just thinking of typical ‘handyman’ tasks that might employ the FM’s unique toolset.
Post by: comis on January 17, 2020, 06:38:51 PM
Sounds like you need to join the February challenge! :SAKnight:That indeed is the Spirit! It is far to easy to stay within our comfort zone, true knights always rise up to challenge. :SAKnight:
But your method, requires nothing more than a Recruit :hatsoff:Amen to that too! :like:
That's the beauty of a SAK, they give us the tools, the rest is imagination :cheers:
Simon
Trust me, when the situation calls for shoving the Cork into the bottle, forget ice cubes or glasses, you're drinking it right out of the bottle, adds a whole new level of romance passing the bottle :rofl:
I like the way you think, Greg! :rofl:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 17, 2020, 06:51:45 PM
That indeed is the Spirit! It is far to easy to stay within our comfort zone, true knights always rise up to challenge. :SAKnight:
Nice try, but true to form, the Fieldmaster is one of the few current 91 mm SAKs I don't possess. Models without scissors or models with a saw seem to attract me less...
Post by: Myron on January 17, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 17, 2020, 08:17:26 PM
I don't own a Field Master either, but not for any particular reason. However, I think Simon's original blaspheme misses the point. I can easily picture a scenario on a camping trip where a Phillips head screwdriver could come in handy (fixing/disassembling my Coleman propane stove, for example), BUT, my thing is I hate hate hate the backside Phillips. I guess if you really need one and it's all you've got you'd be glad you had it. But otherwise, give me a Yeoman with inline Phillips and corkscrew every time. I'll bring a Farmer or a modern 111 mm Soldier for my sawing needs along as well.
Whatever floats your boat, Myron. :) The fact remains: the Fieldmaster is pointless :tu:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 17, 2020, 08:27:32 PM
Post by: Myron on January 17, 2020, 08:38:40 PM
Whatever floats your boat, Myron. :) The fact remains: the Fieldmaster is pointless :tu:
Haha! It's funny how we all have these lines drawn in the SAK sand. I am in agreement with you, Simon, that scissors are a must, so if I'm carrying a Pioneer or Cadet you can bet there'll be a Yeoman or Compact nearby. And joining the backside Phillips on my own personal list of useless SAK implements would be the small knife blade.
The King is dead. Long live the King!
Post by: Alan K. on January 18, 2020, 04:20:39 AM
Post by: SA on January 18, 2020, 05:31:30 AM
Post by: comis on January 18, 2020, 06:26:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/c8VS9GH.jpg)
Mountain Tinker mod (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82166.msg1969411.html#msg1969411)
Post by: kamakiri on January 18, 2020, 06:44:05 AM
The only thing wrong with a Fieldmaster is the lack of a metal saw/file. Or that it's not 84mm...
Post by: BadMechanic on January 18, 2020, 06:52:45 AM
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 18, 2020, 11:35:12 AM
Come to think about the choice between corkscrew and phillips, that is why Mod squad exist :D
(https://i.imgur.com/c8VS9GH.jpg)
Mountain Tinker mod (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82166.msg1969411.html#msg1969411)
Smooth move, Comis :hatsoff:
Post by: Hevy (CT-782) on January 18, 2020, 12:18:27 PM
Come to think about the choice between corkscrew and phillips, that is why Mod squad exist :DOne of the best mods ever!
(https://i.imgur.com/c8VS9GH.jpg)
Mountain Tinker mod (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82166.msg1969411.html#msg1969411)
Mountain tinker rocks!
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Post by: Don Pablo on January 18, 2020, 01:50:04 PM
... come to think of it: the Hiker is even more pointless. Saw and Philips, but does not even bring scissors to sweeten the deal. The king is dead, long live the king?That was my very first SAK. :twak:
(Never mind that I disassembled it later to turn it into something different, because the backside Philips sucks compared to the inline one..)
Post by: Rapidray on January 18, 2020, 02:24:37 PM
Come to think about the choice between corkscrew and phillips, that is why Mod squad exist :DThat mod is so great! :like: :cheers:
(https://i.imgur.com/c8VS9GH.jpg)
Mountain Tinker mod (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82166.msg1969411.html#msg1969411)
Great looking translucent red scales also
Post by: Aloha on January 18, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
Post by: Greg Jones on January 18, 2020, 05:58:25 PM
Post by: BClogic on January 18, 2020, 06:26:34 PM
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Post by: ElevenBlade on January 18, 2020, 08:54:12 PM
... come to think of it: the Hiker is even more pointless. Saw and Philips, but does not even bring scissors to sweeten the deal. The king is dead, long live the king?
Hang on a minute. Now you've gone too far.
I actually think that the Hiker is an excellent entry-level SAK, for a number of reasons. It's the one I gift the uninitiated friends of mine.
- its very easily pocketable
- by now, people know if they run into corked wine or not... and if they do, they have their contingency plans (electric powered corkscrews at home, wine keys in the camp kit). a priori, a Phillips seems more useful than a corkscrew, so I think people appreciate it as a gift more easily
- The Hiker has the same elements as the OHT and the Soldier, both tools many of us already find indispensable
- The Hiker also has similar elements in comparison to the Farmer, another outdoor favorite
- for someone who hasn't used knives for their whole lives, the added capability of the saw seems to give the uninitiated the sense that they can cut through whatever it is they need to. Meanwhile, withholding the scissors gets them more comfortable with using the knife for things that most people don't use a knife for (that we do)... cutting paper, opening letters, boxes, cutting cord... (at least where I'm from, I'd say most people dont EDC a knife or MT)
Check out this video. I really like this guy, very entertaining video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7cGX3d3AIE
Post by: BClogic on January 19, 2020, 01:10:54 AM
Personally I feel "the most useless SAK" is the one left on the nightstand.
Post by: Rapidray on January 19, 2020, 01:37:54 AM
Megawoodswalker is the most cheerful YouTuber I've watched.:iagree: 110% :cheers:
Personally I feel "the most useless SAK" is the one left on the nightstand.
Post by: Storm on January 19, 2020, 02:06:18 AM
Megawoodswalker is the most cheerful YouTuber I've watched.
Personally I feel "the most useless SAK" is the one left on the nightstand.
Promote that man immediately ! :hatsoff:
Post by: BClogic on January 19, 2020, 02:25:04 AM
Promote that man immediately ! :hatsoff:Thanks Storm :D :cheers:
Post by: Aloha on January 19, 2020, 03:32:52 AM
Megawoodswalker is the most cheerful YouTuber I've watched.
Personally I feel "the most useless SAK" is the one left on the nightstand.
:hatsoff:
Post by: EMZ on January 19, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
:facepalm:
Post by: Cauldronborn on January 19, 2020, 04:01:20 PM
While I don't drink wine most of the SAKs seem to come with the corkscrew and I've found the spirals of it dig into the palm of my hand if I use the wood for a prolonged period.
Post by: Hevy (CT-782) on January 19, 2020, 04:12:43 PM
;-)
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Post by: Myron on January 19, 2020, 04:17:46 PM
Personally I feel "the most useless SAK" is the one left on the nightstand.
So nicely put and so true.
I think Simon Templar's original point in starting this thread was just to get some discussion going, not necessarily to inflame the Fieldmaster's fans, who are legion. We are all Knights of the same Order, and have more in common than not. I hate the backside Phillips, you hate the corkscrew. Just gives us something to talk about.
Imagine how boring the Avengers would be if they all had the same super powers!
Post by: Aloha on January 19, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Post by: Greg Jones on January 19, 2020, 04:35:11 PM
I've just come to like the Phillips too :dunno:
Post by: BClogic on January 19, 2020, 05:52:03 PM
So nicely put and so true.Thanks Myron and well put. Good analogy too! :tu: Any SAK can be superhero in the pocket or on the key ring!
I think Simon Templar's original point in starting this thread was just to get some discussion going, not necessarily to inflame the Fieldmaster's fans, who are legion. We are all Knights of the same Order, and have more in common than not. I hate the backside Phillips, you hate the corkscrew. Just gives us something to talk about.
Imagine how boring the Avengers would be if they all had the same super powers!
Or his real ambition was to get you all to go buy a Fieldmaster :pok:. He is a S.A.K after all.:iagree: This is definitely agreeable too! :rofl:
I like the Corkscrew,Ditto :tu: :like:
I've just come to like the Phillips too :dunno:
Post by: ElevenBlade on January 19, 2020, 08:27:16 PM
So nicely put and so true.
I think Simon Templar's original point in starting this thread was just to get some discussion going, not necessarily to inflame the Fieldmaster's fans, who are legion. We are all Knights of the same Order, and have more in common than not. I hate the backside Phillips, you hate the corkscrew. Just gives us something to talk about.
Imagine how boring the Avengers would be if they all had the same super powers!
:tu:
The use of satire, and intentional overgeneralization is often misunderstood on the interwebs.
Post by: BClogic on January 19, 2020, 08:33:35 PM
:tu:MTO is the only forum I’m apart of. I have stalked around for a few years and I’ve notice the lack of who can pee farther arguments. And for that I felt accepted and joined we all have interests in the same hobby. Whether that be user or collector. And our own individual preferences are fun to read!
The use of satire, and intentional overgeneralization is often misunderstood on the interwebs.
Okay sorry to go off topic. FIELDMASTER RULES!!!!
I forgot to include the modders! Apologies!
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Post by: ElevenBlade on January 19, 2020, 08:35:32 PM
MTO is the only forum I’m apart of. I have stalked around for a few years and I’ve notice the lack of who can pee farther arguments. And for that I felt accepted and joined we all have interests in the same hobby. Whether that be user or collector. And our own individual preferences are fun to read!
Okay sorry to go off topic. FIELDMASTER RULES!!!!
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Same here :cheers:
Post by: Aloha on January 30, 2020, 10:47:31 PM
Post by: cody6268 on January 30, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
I'll just leave this here, 84mm.
I like that one as well--it's called either an Artisan or Craftsman. Mine has the file on the Phillips and no can key. Victorinox rebuilt one I had that was beat up, but I don't carry it much aside from around the house and barnyard. Main reason--they are uncommon and hard to replace if I lost it. And the Wenger Handyman doesn't hold a candle. Honestly, I just simply don't get the deal about Wenger scissors.
Post by: Rapidray on January 30, 2020, 10:56:51 PM
I'll just leave this here, 84mm.That is a nice one! :like: :cheers:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 30, 2020, 11:07:02 PM
Post by: Sawl Goodman on January 30, 2020, 11:32:59 PM
However, having little need for 91mm scissors, I'd choose the thinner, lighter Hiker over the Fieldmaster.
Hang on a minute. Now you've gone too far.
I actually think that the Hiker is an excellent entry-level SAK, for a number of reasons. It's the one I gift the uninitiated friends of mine.
- its very easily pocketable
- by now, people know if they run into corked wine or not... and if they do, they have their contingency plans (electric powered corkscrews at home, wine keys in the camp kit). a priori, a Phillips seems more useful than a corkscrew, so I think people appreciate it as a gift more easily
- The Hiker has the same elements as the OHT and the Soldier, both tools many of us already find indispensable
- The Hiker also has similar elements in comparison to the Farmer, another outdoor favorite
- for someone who hasn't used knives for their whole lives, the added capability of the saw seems to give the uninitiated the sense that they can cut through whatever it is they need to. Meanwhile, withholding the scissors gets them more comfortable with using the knife for things that most people don't use a knife for (that we do)... cutting paper, opening letters, boxes, cutting cord... (at least where I'm from, I'd say most people dont EDC a knife or MT)
Good argument, and I've often considered getting one for myself as a scaled down Trailmaster (my primary work knife). But I'd gift the Camper myself. I'm going to give one to a colleague for his birthday. The corkscrew has more uses than the Phillips, once they're pointed out.
Post by: BClogic on January 31, 2020, 02:01:21 AM
Looking at the bright side, as of tomorrow you Fieldmasters have one month to prove to the world that the combination of a saw with a Philips isn't totally absurd after all :angel:Used my saw today to cut ceiling tile! can also use on drywall.
Plus, with outlet box installation the backside phillips is useful wiring an outlet :salute: :cheers:
Granted the right tools for the job are usually on your belt or in your bag but......we all carry a SAK for a great reason :climber:
Post by: ElevenBlade on January 31, 2020, 02:05:08 AM
Looking at the bright side, as of tomorrow you Fieldmasters have one month to prove to the world that the combination of a saw with a Philips isn't totally absurd after all :angel:
Post by: kamakiri on January 31, 2020, 06:57:02 AM
I'll just leave this here, 84mm.
:D
——
I think there’s a reason why this toolset has been in continuous production since at least the late ‘40s.
These three span more than 20 years:
.
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 31, 2020, 07:48:23 AM
Used my saw today to cut ceiling tile! can also use on drywall.
Plus, with outlet box installation the backside phillips is useful wiring an outlet :salute: :cheers:
:hatsoff:
Post by: Shuya on January 31, 2020, 07:59:47 AM
Fellow knights,
In view of the upcoming Fieldmaster challenge, I feel it is my holy duty as a Swiss Army Knight to point out how utterly pointless the Fieldmaster is. The Huntsman pairs a saw with a corkscrew. It is rather easy to picture a romantic camping scenario where these two tools might come in handy. But who in their right mind would ever pair a saw with a Philips screwdriver?
Cheers,
Blasphemous Simon
Dude, looks like you favour the wrong drinks.
Plusyou can open corks with the can opener.
Ive survived one month in eastern france with just a pioneer. :drink:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 31, 2020, 09:03:15 AM
Dude, looks like you favour the wrong drinks.
Plusyou can open corks with the can opener.
Ive survived one month in eastern france wirh justa pioneer. :drink:
...opening all those bottles of nice French wine with the can opener? I, uh, see...
Post by: Shuya on January 31, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
...opening all those bottles of nice French wine with the can opener? I, uh, see...
Nope, just drinking the right stuff
Nothing beats sitting at the beach, eating fish and having a nice bottle of cider.
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Post by: BClogic on January 31, 2020, 12:39:39 PM
:hatsoff:I like the Fieldmaster because it got me back into SAKs after an overdue hiatus. I believe I read on this thread about the Phillips head camming out or perhaps somewhere else on MTO. Mines about worn out. The inline definitely grabs harder.
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Post by: Aloha on January 31, 2020, 02:43:29 PM
That is a nice one! :like: :cheers:
Thanks. Like Cody said it names is Artisan/Craftsman/AKA Fieldmaster small. Its a good toolset but in all honesty I rarely use it.
Post by: Aloha on January 31, 2020, 02:44:03 PM
:D
——
I think there’s a reason why this toolset has been in continuous production since at least the late ‘40s.
These three span more than 20 years:
.
:like: Thats a great representation.
Post by: kamakiri on January 31, 2020, 03:51:20 PM
:like: Thats a great representation.
:cheers: Mahalo, Aloha!
Post by: LoopCutter on January 31, 2020, 04:06:47 PM
Looking at the bright side, as of tomorrow you Fieldmasters have one month to prove to the world that the combination of a saw with a Philips isn't totally absurd after all :angel:You are part of the “YOU” too. I saw your name on the list? Look forward to the challenge.
Post by: BClogic on January 31, 2020, 05:29:02 PM
You are part of the “YOU” too. I saw your name on the list? Look forward to the challenge.:rofl: :rofl:
That's right! what was it called? "Forced Recruitment"! :rofl:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 31, 2020, 06:27:15 PM
You are part of the “YOU” too. I saw your name on the list? Look forward to the challenge.
Nope, I'm afraid I still don't own a Fieldmaster. Although the day might come eventually, this affliction is unpredictable :facepalm:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 31, 2020, 06:36:12 PM
:rofl: :rofl:
That's right! what was it called? "Forced Recruitment"! :rofl:
Holy smokes, I just checked, you are right! That joker Nix put me on the list. Someone should have told him that it's no good to draft someone without handing him a service weapon and letting him know :pok: He could have guessed I wasn't following the challenge thread. Talk about "imagine there's a war and nobody turns up" :salute:
Post by: BClogic on January 31, 2020, 07:29:21 PM
Holy smokes, I just checked, you are right! That joker Nix put me on the list. Someone should have told him that it's no good to draft someone without handing him a service weapon and letting him know :pok: He could have guessed I wasn't following the challenge thread. Talk about "imagine there's a war and nobody turns up" :salute:Eh, overnight a Fieldmaster! :pok:
JOIN US...... :assimilate: :rofl:
Post by: Simon_Templar on January 31, 2020, 07:50:24 PM
Eh, overnight a Fieldmaster! :pok:
JOIN US...... :assimilate: :rofl:
Never! ... will...resist...<moan>
Post by: Rapidray on January 31, 2020, 08:58:07 PM
Post by: BClogic on January 31, 2020, 09:17:03 PM
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Post by: SirVicaLot on January 31, 2020, 09:49:41 PM
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Post by: Rapidray on January 31, 2020, 11:18:52 PM
Post by: kamakiri on February 01, 2020, 06:04:59 PM
Bring Simon to justice!!!
Post by: Simon_Templar on February 01, 2020, 06:12:16 PM
Drafted, but no show...equals: AWOL! :D
Bring Simon to justice!!!
:ahhh
Post by: kamakiri on February 01, 2020, 08:35:33 PM
:ahhhWe’ll find you! Just keep running in tight circles waving your arms like that.
Post by: BClogic on February 01, 2020, 08:55:11 PM
We’ll find you! Just keep running in tight circles waving your arms like that.:rofl:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 01, 2020, 10:23:57 PM
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Post by: Simon_Templar on February 01, 2020, 11:14:00 PM
We’ll find you! Just keep running in tight circles waving your arms like that.
<Note to self: bigger circles, less flapping>
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 01, 2020, 11:24:06 PM
Post by: cody6268 on February 02, 2020, 04:31:49 AM
I had a Classic SD early on, but I didn't own a Spartan until El Corkscrew's giveaway. I now own 3 Spartans (Standard, Spartan, Spartan Serrated) and two Tourists. It's a good "Keep It Simple Stupid" pattern. A basic pocketknife with plenty of stuff, but not a whole lot of bulk. I can't even explain why I didn't have one until then. Guess a lot of us have weird reasons why we don't own certain models. The only ones I don't own that I want are because they have been out of production for a long time, are rare, or are current production models out of my budget.
Post by: Simon_Templar on February 02, 2020, 10:19:21 AM
I am probably gonna argue that it's the XAVT and Wenger Giant that are the most useless. They both weigh a ton, are ridiculously wide, and obviously--WON"T FIT IN A POCKET! You lose any advantage of the tools being in a "compact' format. I'm sure the little tool kit I made in a Condor pouch probably weighs less than each of them--and it's only full-sized tools.
I had a Classic SD early on, but I didn't own a Spartan until El Corkscrew's giveaway. I now own 3 Spartans (Standard, Spartan, Spartan Serrated) and two Tourists. It's a good "Keep It Simple Stupid" pattern. A basic pocketknife with plenty of stuff, but not a whole lot of bulk. I can't even explain why I didn't have one until then. Guess a lot of us have weird reasons why we don't own certain models. The only ones I don't own that I want are because they have been out of production for a long time, are rare, or are current production models out of my budget.
From that perspective the XAVT and Giant are useless, no doubt. I am not sure whether it's the right perspective for these items though. Although I don't own any of them, and wouldn't even want the Giant for lack of storage space, I for one can see their appeal as a SAK-related "tech demo". If one considers this to be their actual purpose, they are all of a sudden the most useful of their kind. ;)
Interesting observation on the Spartan. I actually had to buy my first one, which I did only recently (I already had a Standard, which I got cheap on the bay; since it's NIB and discontinued, it never leaves its drawer tomb though). I too find the Spartan very nice. It has a good weight and size, feels good in the hand and the pocket. Great SAK to carry around, yet ... it has no scissors. So it will be difficult for the Spartan to steal the Compact's crown, at least in my EDC rotation. I guess that's why I chose the Spartan PS :)
Post by: Aloha on February 04, 2020, 05:08:18 PM
Great SAK and great size but alas not gonna carry it so useless it is sadly.
Post by: Simon_Templar on February 04, 2020, 10:03:27 PM
Good post Cody. Keeping it simple, the most useless SAK is the one not being carried. I think this was said earlier. I've got some great SAKs. They sit in a dark container never used. I look at my Explorer as my most useful SAK. My Manager while sitting on my keys and carried every day is least used as compared. I pulled my 84mm Artisan/Craftsman aka Fieldmaster small out due to this thread but back into the dark it went.
Great SAK and great size but alas not gonna carry it so useless it is sadly.
Fair enough, but this just amounts to saying that collecting SAKs is pointless. Which is certainly true objectively speaking - after all, nobody needs more than one pocket knife - but entirety disregards the hobby aspect imho
Post by: Aloha on February 04, 2020, 10:58:25 PM
Use has multiple meanings. The owning of SAKs has as many meaning which makes this hobby wonderfully enjoyable. My post was attempting to relate my usage in my comparison of Explorer vs Manager vs Artisan. My SAK ownership extends a little beyond those SAKs which most see no actual usage.
Post by: Simon_Templar on February 05, 2020, 08:32:26 AM
No way! Collecting SAKs is in no way pointless. I've said over and over again that enjoyment is enough for me and in some situations the point intended. I have SAKs that purely bring me enjoyment just by owning them and rightly so, which is why I bought them in the first place. Never intended to use them other than a fondle every now and again.
Use has multiple meanings. The owning of SAKs has as many meaning which makes this hobby wonderfully enjoyable. My post was attempting to relate my usage in my comparison of Explorer vs Manager vs Artisan. My SAK ownership extends a little beyond those SAKs which most see no actual usage.
:hatsoff:
Post by: ddogu on February 05, 2020, 10:16:12 AM
Come to think about the choice between corkscrew and phillips, that is why Mod squad exist :D
(https://i.imgur.com/c8VS9GH.jpg)
Mountain Tinker mod (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,82166.msg1969411.html#msg1969411)
wow! THA mod! :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:
Post by: cody6268 on February 05, 2020, 08:13:50 PM
No way! Collecting SAKs is in no way pointless. I've said over and over again that enjoyment is enough for me and in some situations the point intended. I have SAKs that purely bring me enjoyment just by owning them and rightly so, which is why I bought them in the first place. Never intended to use them other than a fondle every now and again.
Use has multiple meanings. The owning of SAKs has as many meaning which makes this hobby wonderfully enjoyable. My post was attempting to relate my usage in my comparison of Explorer vs Manager vs Artisan. My SAK ownership extends a little beyond those SAKs which most see no actual usage.
That being said, I'd love to have an XAVT mostly as a conversation piece. Just not in my budget range right now. My local knife store has one, and I'm amazed at how that thing is as thick as a watch case.
Even thicker would be the Giant. I remember they were like $500 through SMKW, now they're a lot more than that.
Post by: ElevenBlade on February 17, 2020, 12:15:39 AM
In other words - why is the BSA Huntsman actually a Fieldmaster?
I think it's always been this way. :think:
Post by: SirVicaLot on February 17, 2020, 03:22:22 AM
Can anyone shed some light on why the BSA Fieldmaster is called a Huntsman.
In other words - why is the BSA Huntsman actually a Fieldmaster?
I think it's always been this way. :think:
SAKwiki doesn‘t know either: „The official BSA version with the same tools is called a Huntsman - for reasons that may never be known“ :dunno:
Post by: ElevenBlade on April 05, 2020, 09:01:53 PM
Hang on a minute. Now you've gone too far.
I actually think that the Hiker is an excellent entry-level SAK, for a number of reasons. It's the one I gift the uninitiated friends of mine.
- its very easily pocketable
- by now, people know if they run into corked wine or not... and if they do, they have their contingency plans (electric powered corkscrews at home, wine keys in the camp kit). a priori, a Phillips seems more useful than a corkscrew, so I think people appreciate it as a gift more easily
- The Hiker has the same elements as the OHT and the Soldier, both tools many of us already find indispensable
- The Hiker also has similar elements in comparison to the Farmer, another outdoor favorite
- for someone who hasn't used knives for their whole lives, the added capability of the saw seems to give the uninitiated the sense that they can cut through whatever it is they need to. Meanwhile, withholding the scissors gets them more comfortable with using the knife for things that most people don't use a knife for (that we do)... cutting paper, opening letters, boxes, cutting cord... (at least where I'm from, I'd say most people dont EDC a knife or MT)
Check out this video. I really like this guy, very entertaining video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7cGX3d3AIE
I just found out that 10 days before I posted this, MegaWoodswalker passed away suddenly.
:SAKnight: RIP Kevin "MegaWoodswalker" Renkavinsky :SAKnight:
Post by: BClogic on April 05, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
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Post by: Storm on April 06, 2020, 01:24:10 AM
Post by: 39hotrod on April 07, 2020, 03:28:41 PM
Post by: Aloha on April 07, 2020, 04:06:28 PM
I just found out that 10 days before I posted this, MegaWoodswalker passed away suddenly.
:SAKnight: RIP Kevin "MegaWoodswalker" Renkavinsky :SAKnight:
RIP. I've watched a few of his videos, very well done I might add.
Post by: charlie fox on April 07, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: kamakiri on April 07, 2020, 07:00:51 PM
Whaaaaat?!:rofl:
...
Simon still be running around like: :ahhh
...
As a direct result of the February Fieldmaster Challenge, and probably this thread...I’ve worked several of them into rotation and almost daily use.
Main tools it’s missing for me within the last month since the Challenge ended have been the magnifier, metal saw and pliers. But many days it’s gone from inside the house to out in the yard and garden without needing to grab a different knife or co-carry backups.
I still prefer larger knives, but I certainly like it better than I thought I would.
Post by: Simon_Templar on September 02, 2023, 03:49:33 AM
I would like to bump this thread to ask the current forum dwellers which SAK they consider the most useless/disappointing, and why.
Personally, I have to add the Executive and the S557 to my list of disappointments. The S557 is just terrible in practice (at least the Vic version), despite having a toolset which looks excellent on paper. The Executive is nice, but every single time I use it I cannot help but think it should have a Rambler-style combo tool. It just feels so incomplete without a bottle opener. This constant nagging thought has become so annoying I stopped carrying the Executive altogether.
Cheers,
Simon
Post by: nate j on September 02, 2023, 06:03:45 AM
Post by: BPRoberts on September 02, 2023, 05:20:25 PM
Fellow knights,
I would like to bump this thread to ask the current forum dwellers which SAK they consider the most useless/disappointing, and why.
Personally, I have to add the Executive and the S557 to my list of disappointments. The S557 is just terrible in practice (at least the Vic version), despite having a toolset which looks excellent on paper. The Executive is nice, but every single time I use it I cannot help but think it should have a Rambler-style combo tool. It just feels so incomplete without a bottle opener. This constant nagging thought has become so annoying I stopped carrying the Executive altogether.
Cheers,
Simon
The edge of the Executive peeler works pretty well as a bottle opener. The caps often fly off a bit dramatically, which adds to the fun in my opinion. Picture below, sometimes you have to use the screwdriver tip to start the first crimp or two.
Post by: Tasky on September 02, 2023, 11:36:57 PM
Personally, I have to add the Executive and the S557 to my list of disappointments. The S557 is just terrible in practice (at least the Vic version), despite having a toolset which looks excellent on paper. The Executive is nice, but every single time I use it I cannot help but think it should have a Rambler-style combo tool. It just feels so incomplete without a bottle opener. This constant nagging thought has become so annoying I stopped carrying the Executive altogether.As a very unexpected fan of the S557, I would disagree - The pliers suck compared to Wenger's own and would be better with Vic's modded in, along with plain scales, but everything else works rather well.
The Exec has several benefits over most Vic SAKs, particularly the nail file (newer version) and the small blade, which I believe is the smallest on any Vic model. The scissors work and are bigger than a 58mm, so good enough for the typical Exec target market (is clipping nails).
The orange peeler is a gimmick, but my girls have oranges often enough that I EDC an Exec... partly because it's useful, and partly in case I encounter any MacGyver fans.
The most useless SAKs I can think of are the Classic CD and anything 58mm with even fewer tools.
Post by: MacGyver on September 02, 2023, 11:51:43 PM
partly because it's useful, and partly in case I encounter any MacGyver fans.
I don't know why so many MacGyver fans have this thing for the Executive. It was actually one of his least used SAK's. The small Tinker will always be MacGyver's prime SAK for me.
I guess the thing with the Executive was the fact of that shot him of defusing the bomb on the cruise ship was on the show opener for many of the later seasons.
When i bought my Executive like, over 15 years ago, it was also because of Macgyver, but i gave it to my wife about 10 years ago. Great pocket knife, terrible multitool...
Post by: Tasky on September 03, 2023, 01:45:21 AM
I don't know why so many MacGyver fans have this thing for the Executive. It was actually one of his least used SAK's. The small Tinker will always be MacGyver's prime SAK for me.I have a Tinker Small too... But he uses an Executive in 8 or 9 different episodes. MacGyver Online says 6, but ReamerPunch here has done a more in-depth analysis in his thread.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,79050.0.html
https://www.macgyveronline.com/analysis/total-knife-usage-in-all-episodes/
It's still one of his more used models, though.
Post by: Simon_Templar on September 03, 2023, 02:08:29 AM
The edge of the Executive peeler works pretty well as a bottle opener. The caps often fly off a bit dramatically, which adds to the fun in my opinion. Picture below, sometimes you have to use the screwdriver tip to start the first crimp or two.
Thanks for the tip, BPR! :cheers: I did use the peeler during the Chuck Yeager Challenge to open bottles, however not the way you showed in your picture. I rather pried the bottle open using the tip of the peeler as a wedge. Worked reasonably well, but it's still a lot more cumbersome than using a dedicated bottle opener. Also, the peeler once closed up on me during those antics, resulting in a minor cut. Guess the Executive just isn't my cup of tea.
Cheers,
Simon
Post by: marlowe221 on September 03, 2023, 06:14:08 AM
My best guess (having grown up in Boy Scouts myself) is that it has to do with a certain, American-centric semi-Puritanical thing about drinking alcohol and the fact that any kid in Boy Scouts is, by definition, under the legal age to consume alcohol in the United States.
So, most of the SAKs commonly associated with the Boy Scouts have the Phillips on the back and not the corkscrew (despite the usefulness in untying knots, etc). If you go on the BSA webstite right now, you'll see the Tinker for sale, but not the Spartan.
That's my personal explanation of why I think the BSA has long had a preference for Phillips backed models over corkscrew models. Now, why do they call it Huntsman and not Fieldmaster? Or why did they do so, since it's not listed for sale on scoutshop.org right now? I have no idea! :dunno:
Post by: Bunk Tuppins on September 03, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
Post by: Rizio Il Ghiro on September 03, 2023, 08:36:42 AM
Post by: MacGyver on September 03, 2023, 06:38:28 PM
For me it would have to be the Solo - just a blade, so not really a SAK/multi tool at all! For me, a SAK has to have multiple functions…..
That's not really a SAK, it's a Victorinox pocket knife, and a very good one. It's a bit puzzling why would anyone consider it "useless"
Not all Victorinox products have to be SAK's... ;)
Post by: BPRoberts on September 03, 2023, 07:46:55 PM
I have a Tinker Small too... But he uses an Executive in 8 or 9 different episodes. MacGyver Online says 6, but ReamerPunch here has done a more in-depth analysis in his thread.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,79050.0.html
https://www.macgyveronline.com/analysis/total-knife-usage-in-all-episodes/
It's still one of his more used models, though.
Isn't the Executive in the credits and that's why?
Post by: Tasky on September 04, 2023, 01:33:27 AM
Isn't the Executive in the credits and that's why?Were that the case every epsode would include it, but RP does also separately mention the Exec being added to the opening credits for Seasons 2 and 3, which would not be counted.
I ran a search on the thread and found the Executive listed (with supporting screenshots) in the following episodes:
- 1x05 - The Heist
- 1x07 - Last Stand
- 1x08 - Hellfire
- 1x10 - Target: MacGyver
- 1x14 - Countdown
- 1x16 - Every Time She Smiles
- 1x18 - Ugly Duckling
- 1x19 - Slow Death
Post by: MacGyver on September 04, 2023, 11:33:21 AM
Were that the case every epsode would include it, but RP does also separately mention the Exec being added to the opening credits for Seasons 2 and 3, which would not be counted.
I ran a search on the thread and found the Executive listed (with supporting screenshots) in the following episodes:
- 1x05 - The Heist
- 1x07 - Last Stand
- 1x08 - Hellfire
- 1x10 - Target: MacGyver
- 1x14 - Countdown
- 1x16 - Every Time She Smiles
- 1x18 - Ugly Duckling
- 1x19 - Slow Death
It may be used (or appeared) in those episodes but most was just what happened to be used for a specific shot, and because us "fannatics" cared enough to identify it from still shots, but not as the main SAK for all those Ep's.
He only used the orange peeler (Executive) in 3 or 4 ep's
Post by: MacGyver on September 04, 2023, 12:56:44 PM
Isn't the Executive in the credits and that's why?
The Wenger is also in the opening credits for the entire show, but i don't see people referring to it as "the Macgyver SAK"
Post by: BPRoberts on September 04, 2023, 09:00:51 PM
Post by: Bunk Tuppins on September 04, 2023, 09:39:36 PM
Actually answering this question, I think my answer is the Recruit. The Cadet is slimmer, and the Tourist/Small Tinker are more capable. I generally tend to prefer the Alox 84s, but the Recruit sticks out in particular.I love the Cadet and have several of them but if I am actually going to do quite a bit of work - such as flattening a bunch of cardboard boxes - I prefer a Recruit. The thicker shape is a better handle. The Recruit is also a very nice looking knife, IMO. In some ways it is almost the perfect simple, basic knife (and has some of the loudest clicks out there). However I have been using 85mm knives like the Evogrip 10 a lot recently and I find that the added width (and thickness) of the evolution scales makes an Evo 10 even nicer in the hand than a Recruit.
Post by: MacGyver on September 05, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
Actually answering this question, I think my answer is the Recruit. The Cadet is slimmer, and the Tourist/Small Tinker are more capable. I generally tend to prefer the Alox 84s, but the Recruit sticks out in particular.
You're nuts.... :o :twak:
I love the Recruit. The most comfortable SAK in the 84/91mm line.
It's the perfect cellidor 2 layer thickness, flush back springs that makes it the most comfortable in hand of them all. It has the most essential tools, what's not to like?
Sure the Small Tinker and Tourist have the Awl and CS/Phillips, but i can live without those if i need. I wouldn't choose a Cadet over it either, the Cadet is way too thin and uncomfortable, only good for a "dress up SAK" for me, i'd take the Recruit over it any day
Post by: Tasky on September 05, 2023, 04:54:12 PM
It may be used (or appeared) in those episodes but most was just what happened to be used for a specific shot, and because us "fannatics" cared enough to identify it from still shots, but not as the main SAK for all those Ep's.
He only used the orange peeler (Executive) in 3 or 4 ep's
It's not his most used model, but he did switch around and change it up quite often, and the Exec is one of the Top Ten.
One day I'll trawl RP's entire thread and tabulate a count by model, against the MacOnline list, of which ones were used the most.... excluding any appearances in opening credits!
Post by: MacGyver on September 05, 2023, 06:07:32 PM
It's not his most used model, but he did switch around and change it up quite often, and the Exec is one of the Top Ten.
One day I'll trawl RP's entire thread and tabulate a count by model, against the MacOnline list, of which ones were used the most.... excluding any appearances in opening credits!
While RP's thread is absolutely great, there are still some things wrong/missing in there, and i've pointed it out to him a while ago.
Just as an example, on The Eraser (2x02) episode he lists only the Standard and i can identify at least 4 different SAK's in there, a Tourist/Sportsman, a Small Tinker, a Camper and the Standard. There are a few more Eps with a couple of things wrong too.
The MacOnline list is completely off in many things.
It will be almost impossible to identify all the SAK's used in the series. RDA himself talked about being used around 150 of them total, between the ones on the shots and the ones he destroyed by throwing them and sticking them in telephone poles, trees, and the such, as he was passing time between shoots... :facepalm:
Post by: Tasky on September 06, 2023, 01:25:03 AM
While RP's thread is absolutely great, there are still some things wrong/missing in there, and i've pointed it out to him a while ago.All the more reason for us to put our collective heads together and get something closer to definitive.
Just as an example, on The Eraser (2x02) episode he lists only the Standard and i can identify at least 4 different SAK's in there, a Tourist/Sportsman, a Small Tinker, a Camper and the Standard. There are a few more Eps with a couple of things wrong too.
It might be impossible to get 100% accuracy, but we can still do our absolute best...
Post by: MacGyver on September 06, 2023, 09:09:08 AM
All the more reason for us to put our collective heads together and get something closer to definitive.
It might be impossible to get 100% accuracy, but we can still do our absolute best...
Yes, i agree. :tu:
I firmly believe that there are a lot more 84mm's listed as 91mm's in there. Especially the Tinker, it's usually the small Tinker, you can often tell by comparing dimensions of the frame and the bottle opener's shape.
Some of the listed Super Tinkers i think it's actually the Salesman (84mm Super Tinker). They only started to use 91mm's more often, almost exclusively, later into the series.
On one scene they could use 2 different SAK's sometimes, on for the general shot, and a different one for the close up shot. T think they would just grab any random one from the prop box for a lot of takes, unless they where aiming for some specific tool.
I remember as a teen, trying to get THE ONE, but being confused all the time as it looked slightly different every time... :facepalm:
Post by: marlowe221 on September 07, 2023, 03:03:35 AM
But sometimes you only get a quick glance or only see it from the very end of the SAK. It’s not always easy to tell!
Post by: MacGyver on September 07, 2023, 10:05:30 AM
Given the time the show was produced, I also suspect a higher percentage of 84mm models than you will see on the Macgyver thread.
But sometimes you only get a quick glance or only see it from the very end of the SAK. It’s not always easy to tell!
If they released the series in upscales Bluray quality it would be a hell of a lot easier to identify... That and boosting up the brightness of the video. Why does it always have to be so darn dark?? :rant:
Post by: Tasky on September 07, 2023, 11:54:37 AM
On one scene they could use 2 different SAK's sometimes, on for the general shot, and a different one for the close up shot.@ReamerPunch did cover this in his thread, as far as possible.
The question is whether either would qualify that model for counting as an official use.
Post by: MacGyver on November 16, 2023, 04:59:54 PM
And i have to agree that the Fieldmaster is probably one of the SAK's that makes less sense to me... So let's see:
We already have the Huntsman for outdoors, with a corkscrew and a wood saw, that makes all the sense for the woods, as the corkscrew is a very versatile tool. But what sense does it make having a wood saw and a phillips for outdoors...? For tightening screws in the trees...?
Yet there is the Mountaineer, with the metal saw/file and the corkscrew..., wouldn't it make much more sense as an urban SAK to have an Automobile Special (a Mountaineer with the phillips) as opposed to the Fieldmaster?
We have two 4 layer SAK's with the wood saw, and only one 4 layer SAK's with the metal saw/file
Similar thing can be said about the Hiker... we already have the Camper... wouldn't a Automobile (metal saw/file instead of the wood say) make more sense...?
We have two 3 layer SAK's with the wood saw, and zero 3 layer SAK's with the metal saw/file
Post by: Mitch-O on November 16, 2023, 05:16:40 PM
But what sense does it make having a wood saw and a phillips for outdoors...? For tightening screws in the trees...?Before you go into the woods you fix the loose screw in your garage with the same SAK you will saw a branch later ;)
Post by: nate j on November 16, 2023, 05:37:47 PM
We already have the Huntsman for outdoors, with a corkscrew and a wood saw, that makes all the sense for the woods, as the corkscrew is a very versatile tool. But what sense does it make having a wood saw and a phillips for outdoors...? For tightening screws in the trees...?
I can think of a couple of possibilities…
As mentioned earlier in this thread, some organizations (e.g. BSA) may want essentially the tool set of the Huntsman but shy away from any association with alcohol that might be implied by the corkscrew.
Some individuals may not drink wine, and thus feel they have no use whatsoever for the corkscrew. (Though I agree with you that the corkscrew has a number of other uses, and overall is a much more useful and versatile tool than the backside Phillips.)
For extended use (e.g. whittling), some prefer the Phillips over the corkscrew due to the smoother handle profile and lower tendency to create hotspots.
While they don’t necessarily publish the figures, I have to believe that sales volumes are a key driver of the decisions Vic makes about which models to continue and which to discontinue. So as long as both the Huntsman and the Fieldmaster continue to sell acceptably well, I suspect we will continue to see both produced.
Post by: MacGyver on November 16, 2023, 05:48:45 PM
I can think of a couple of possibilities…
As mentioned earlier in this thread, some organizations (e.g. BSA) may want essentially the tool set of the Huntsman but shy away from any association with alcohol that might be implied by the corkscrew.
Some individuals may not drink wine, and thus feel they have no use whatsoever for the corkscrew. (Though I agree with you that the corkscrew has a number of other uses, and overall is a much more useful and versatile tool than the backside Phillips.)
For extended use (e.g. whittling), some prefer the Phillips over the corkscrew due to the smoother handle profile and lower tendency to create hotspots.
While they don’t necessarily publish the figures, I have to believe that sales volumes are a key driver of the decisions Vic makes about which models to continue and which to discontinue. So as long as both the Huntsman and the Fieldmaster continue to sell acceptably well, I suspect we will continue to see both produced.
I can understand that reasoning. But my point wasn't as much as to "why do we have the Fieldmaster and the Hiker", but more as to "why don't we have the Automobile and the Automobile Special" as the pairing of a metal saw/file with a phillips makes way more sense to me than just pairing the wood saw and phillips
Post by: Myron on November 16, 2023, 06:05:46 PM
Post by: Enginears on November 16, 2023, 06:55:51 PM
wouldn't it make much more sense as an urban SAK to have an Automobile Special (a Mountaineer with the phillips) as opposed to the Fieldmaster?
We have two 4 layer SAK's with the wood saw, and only one 4 layer SAK's with the metal saw/file
Similar thing can be said about the Hiker... we already have the Camper... wouldn't a Automobile (metal saw/file instead of the wood say) make more sense...?
We have two 3 layer SAK's with the wood saw, and zero 3 layer SAK's with the metal saw/file
Yes!! I had the same though during the camper challenge. The automobile needs to return, and the mountaineer needs a phillips. In particular the Hiker as a toolset has me :think:
Post by: Simon_Templar on November 16, 2023, 09:44:03 PM
I'll probably get hate mail for this, but I gotta vote the Classic as most useless SAK. Good for opening mail and cleaning your fingernails, I guess. But otherwise it's just too dinky for any real chores and you can't open a beer with it. Ok, let the flames begin.
I wouldn't go so far as to call it the most useless, the Field master still firmly holds that crown imho, but I agree that in the 58 mm class, the Classic makes the least sense. With alternatives like the Rambler or Manager, which are much more potent with hardly any additional bulk, its hard to find any justification for the Classic.
Cheers,
Simon
P.S.: to be fair, with the Rambler and the Manager on the playing field, it's hard to find a justification for any other 58mm SAK except the Jetsetter. I am currently in a MiniChamp challenge and thus far I didn't need a single tool which wasn't on the Manager as well. Admittedly, I used the orange peeler to open a package, but this happened out of curiosity - the blade would have worked just as well.
Post by: MadPlumbarian on November 16, 2023, 11:10:34 PM
JR
Post by: marlowe221 on November 17, 2023, 06:07:47 AM
When I was in the Cub Scouts and the Boy Scouts in the 80s and 90s, a LOT of camping gear had Phillips screws!
Coleman camp stoves, cots, external frame backpacks, camping cookware, lanterns, etc.
I didn’t have a Phillips on the back of my SAK - I had an Explorer! But having a Phillips on a camp out made a lot of sense in those days. Also, the use of the can opener as a 2D Phillips was not as widely known in the days before the internet was common and people were making YouTube videos about it.
That being said, I don’t see as much camping gear that has Phillips screws these days as I did back then.
To me, the Wenger name for the same tool set as the Fieldmaster makes a little more sense - the Handyman! It’s just that that name is already taken in Victorinox-land…
Post by: Rizio Il Ghiro on November 17, 2023, 09:38:49 AM
As for my thoughts on a fieldmaster being the most useless sak, I’d have to say no, it is the most simplest must have tools depending on what your needs are, but as for the most useless id have to say the “solo” cause well, its only got one simple thing a blade,, :dunno::iagree: But got chastised for saying so earlier in the thread! :cheers:
JR