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Tool Talk => The Mod Squad => Topic started by: Syph007 on September 07, 2012, 03:15:35 AM
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Moderators Note: This thread has been split away from Syph's alox adventures (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.0.html)thread. :)
So you don't use button srews? But I guess you still have the pivots go into the scales and not flush with the last tool?
Yep exactly. I grind the pivots so they extend the maximum possible into the scale, but allow the screws to be countersunk. I did use button heads at the start but found I didnt like them, and switched exclusively to countersunk.
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Fresh from the lathe!
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/120907/c52333pp.png)
3mm diameter, M2 threading. Forget the screws, these are just for testing. Nice ones are already in the mail. :)
Syph, is it okay if I "use" your thread for this? It's basically your gained experience that I'm using, hehe.
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Fresh from the lathe!
3mm diameter, M2 threading. Forget the screws, these are just for testing. Nice ones are already in the mail. :)
Syph, is it okay if I "use" your thread for this? It's basically your gained experience that I'm using, hehe.
Ya go ahead and post wherever you think it fits in. Now you are making me want a lathe! I need a mill first though. So many tools to want!
Those pivots look cool, what type of steel did you go with?
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V2A steel. Time will tell if it's suitable.
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V2A steel. Time will tell if it's suitable.
Looks like that's close to SAE grade 304. Should be ok I think. Im no steel expert though.
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Cool thanks!
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And here we go!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5958875/Bilder/Cobra%20Compact/pioneermod.jpg)
Thanks all for the great tips!
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Looks good! Did you go with a solo backspring? They only need a very tiny bit of a grind on that one inside corner and then they work awesome.
What are you making next now? :D
I ended up buying that little bottle of Vic oil as well. :D It really makes it easy to get it where you want it in the SAK. :tu:
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Yep, used a Solo spring.
The spring still needs some grinding and polish but I'm getting there. :D
I need to find golden screws.
Next? Mh, I love the concept from the Yeoman thread. Maybe I'll try this.
Also, there are tons of Explorers on German eBay, but always the old models with the long phillips. Xx
Any suggestions? :D
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Yep, used a Solo spring.
The spring still needs some grinding and polish but I'm getting there. :D
I need to find golden screws.
Next? Mh, I love the concept from the Yeoman thread. Maybe I'll try this.
Also, there are tons of Explorers on German eBay, but always the old models with the long phillips. Xx
Any suggestions? :D
Lately Ive been picking up swisschamps.. you get the scissors, pliers and philips. Pliers are fun too sometimes. :D Once I get some more Ti scales in I'm putting together a 4 layer with pliers/scissors and philips.
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Alright, I sucessfully bent a Solo blade to be parallel to the liner.
Also, I have 3 more pivots on the lathe right now. But these will definitely be the last ones done manually.
Does the caplifter need some grinding to fit in front of the blade?
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Alright, I sucessfully bent a Solo blade to be parallel to the liner.
Also, I have 3 more pivots on the lathe right now. But these will definitely be the last ones done manually.
Does the caplifter need some grinding to fit in front of the blade?
I got it to fit without removing anything from the cap lifter, but it did rub a bit. I think I would grind off a bit from it and repolish for a perfect fit. then again the combo and blade rub on a stock Vic compact anyhow... so maybe the rubbing is more authentic. :D
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Hehe!
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/120917/3zttxot6.jpg)
Brass pivots this time (better than nothing :P). Didn't drill the springs and the hole in the middle yet. Fit is nice.
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Finally got an Electrician to tear down. :D
I did some measuring on all the tools and came up with this:
- Blade 2.70mm
- E-Blade 1.70mm
- Awl 1.70mm
- Caplifter 2.20mm
- Phillips Driver 2.70mm
- Spacer (Awl) 1.00mm
- Spacer (E-Blade) 0.50mm
So I was thinking about adding a Phillips to my Pioneer by using the blade spring from the electrician which has the same thickness. Then use the spacer of the electrician's blade to shim up the caplifter.
Thicknesswise it should work. :-X
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Good to hear it arrived safely! I´m looking forward to your mod.
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Got this one together right now to test the bent electrician's blade. Works!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/4990/img0839cq.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/1960/img0840ihw.jpg)
I know the saw is mounted the wrong way. :P
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Got this one together right now to test the bent electrician's blade. Works!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/4990/img0839cq.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/1960/img0840ihw.jpg)
I know the saw is mounted the wrong way. :P
looking good! JR
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Had the posts removed from Syph's thread.
No I can spam without regrets. :D
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I'm really liking those 3mm custom pivots, very interesting stuff! :tu:
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I got sick of searching for a cheap new Explorer so I just ordered a new one. :-X
I also realized the thin spacer from Electricians is still about a 1/10mm too thick to shim up the caplifter to phillips width but I'll sand that sucker until it matches.
So upcoming: A Harvester bringing a pruning blade as a replacement for the awl and an Explorer bringing an inline phillips to replace the can opener (which will go into the Harvester).
Stuff should arrive on Tuesday hopefully.
If somebody wants the leftovers from Explorer teardowns (cap lifter, can opener, magnifying glass, blade, small blade) or even a reassembled Explorer (-> Climber), shoot me a pm.
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And finished!
(http://imageshack.us/a/img204/977/superpioneer3.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img267/3315/superpioneer2.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img826/5066/superpioneer.jpg)
Big thanks to Syph for the support. :angel:
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Looks good to me! :tu:
Did you have any trouble shaping the philips part to get it to work?
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No, once you understand that the front nipple controls the angle of the driver when closed and the second the overall position it's fairly easy. I think I could have left an itsy bit more material on the top, but it works perfectly nevertheless.
The spring needed far more grinding to handle the caplifter. Btw, I used the thin spacer that came with the Harvester to shim the caplifter. Works like a charm.
Bending the Pruner blade was also a lot easier than bending the Electrician's blade. Actually, I already bent it too far with the first blow and had to go back a little. :angel:
6 scales will go to my anodizer (& laser engraver) tomorrow. :)
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And here we go: Call it Super Bantam, Voyageur, Alox Compact... ::)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img841/8357/p1010518m.jpg)
First peen-job. Went smoothly. My new EDC. :D
Two layer 84 alox just feels so nice. I begin to understand why so many people love Cadets.
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Looks good to me! It is a slender but powerful combination of tools isnt it? How do the back side of your pins look? :D
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Pretty much stock, except for one. Not sure why this one turned out so different (a little wider). Might redo that one.
I used a block of steel I drilled a little hole for the pin head of one side in. And a modified 'punch' with the same hole. Worked pretty nicely.
Tools: I'd love to have a caplifter layer and a nail file instead of the combo tool (a scissored Cadet), however then it's just too thick for my taste for a 84.
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very nice! :tu:
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Cool... great EDC :tu:
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Found some time to shoot better pictures. :angel:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img690/4784/voyageur.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2052/voyageur2.jpg)
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Lovely :tu:
You can't really get too much of a good thing.
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Found another old 84mm Climber.
This time I ordered a Cadet. Let's see which one I'll like better: Voyageur or scissored-up Cadet. :angel:
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Scissors on a Cadet does make a good SAK, though I'm actually a big fan of the Climber Small as it stands. :D
(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/gareth_hunt/DSCF3464.jpg)
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Looks like a broken spring.
I recently got 3 84mm replacement scissors from Victorinox. Old leftovers I think. Awesome!
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Looks like a broken spring.
I recently got 3 84mm replacement scissors from Victorinox. Old leftovers I think. Awesome!
it was at the time of the picture, but it's been changed since then. :)
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While waiting for the Cadet I fiddled this one together. Tore apart my old Midnight Manager, bought an Alox Classic and after some magic spells:
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/7857/aloxrambler.jpg)
Notice how the shield is on the right side (like on the bigger models) instead of near to the keyring. This has always been bothering me with the small Alox (including the +B Alox Rambler).
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Tried golden screws on a new Farmer with scissors mod. I like it. Combines both looks. :tool:
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2198/img0900jq.jpg)
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Cadet with scissors. Finally. I have to say this sucker is close to being perfect for me.
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9452/img0905gh.jpg)
I used thin Cadet liners for this (had to get two :S). Super slim. :D
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nice work mate! i rally like the rambler :salute:
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For the cadet that lost its liner, you could use a liner from a donor recruit or somesuch (and maybe use the spring to make it into something else).
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I will make an Alox Huntsman out of it.
I got a Golfer (-> scissors) on the way and a MyFirstVictorinox (-> saw) should be here any minute.
This thing will then have the thick liners of the cellidor models. The thin ones would be better, but I'd need 3 of them and I'm not willing to buy 3 Cadets just to get the liners. :angel:
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Finished my latest one: a red Cadet with scissors and saw. No keyring.
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/9872/p10109141m.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/4229/p10109131.jpg)
Lovely!
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Very nice job! :tu: JR
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Does the fourth layer make it too thick for pocket carry?
Looks great!
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I think it's still fine. I used the thin Cadet liners to keep it as thin as possible.
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Syph made a delicious serrated blade (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,34772.msg685702.html#msg685702) that got me thinking about adding one to a Cadet.
So while waiting for my diamond bit to arrive I came up with a possible toolset:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img109/6977/p1020042yl.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img405/4963/p1020043w.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img15/9687/p1020047rj.jpg)
Due to the asymmetric profile of the 84mm line, placing both blade layers directly next to each other kills accessibility. I solved this by placing the scissors in between.
With this setup you end up having two main blades (one flat and one serrated), nailfile, combo tool and scissors. I really like it.
What do you think?
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Looking good Crackout. :cheers: Only thing I'll say is watch out for the position of the Combo tool, if it's ever going to be used as a can opener it's got to be in the correct place. :)
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What do you think?
DO.WANT.
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Right Gareth. These should be swapped. :)
Depending on the success of papercut this knife will have screw pivots.
Oh, did I mention I have sent stuff to my anodizer? Hehe!
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Really like that, but then I have a copper one pretty much the same :D
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What do you think?
throw a My First Plus saw in there and you have all the cutting bases covered.
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That would be possible, yes.
I used that saw already for my EDC cadet. Let's see if I get another Ecoline-MF+. :whistle:
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These look like the eco MF, but not all the german translated... :D
http://www.ebay.de/itm/270609417600?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1271wt_1037
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Yup, they go for around 10€ each.
I have 3 liners being anodized right now, so that would fit. :angel:
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These look like the eco MF, but not all the german translated... :D
http://www.ebay.de/itm/270609417600?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1271wt_1037
That's where I got mine..
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Found some time to shoot better pictures. :angel:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img690/4784/voyageur.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img854/2052/voyageur2.jpg)
looks great!!
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Here we go. A Pioneer with scissors and threaded pivots anodized in Candy Orange.
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/505/img0110cc.jpg)
Came out nicely. More soon.
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Orange!!! I really wish I could get orange hard anodizing done!
Did you have to strip the scales or did your guy do it? The first time I did mine I let them strip the scales and they did not do a great job, some had some of the red shield showing through the black and it was pretty poor, so after that I do it myself and scrub that red off!
Looking good! :tu:
Cheers
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They do all necessary steps.
I explicitly told them to do proper stripping. >:D
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I like that shade of orange...it may be the way the light hits it, but the inner part of the shield looks like a darker orange. I like the contrast that it gives with the rest of the scale.
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Yeah, it's the lighting.
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Any possibility of two color anodizing, say where the shield is one color and the handle another?
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It is possible to mask certain parts but it takes a long time mask off something this fine like the shield.
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Hey crackout those mods look AWESOME. I wondered if you had a simple cadet+scissors mod. If you do, mind posting a few pics? If not, this could be a little bit of inspiration. ^^ I just want to see that configuration soo much. :D
Also maybe an "Aloxchamp" that has all official Alox tools? That would be interesting. :P
(I cannot buy any SAKs or mods by now...problems of being 13)
EDIT:I just noticed Gareth put a cadet+ scissors mod on the 3rd page. :P
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I wondered if you had a simple cadet+scissors mod. If you do, mind posting a few pics? If not, this could be a little bit of inspiration. ^^ I just want to see that configuration soo much. :D
Sure.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8203/8270672292_1bf154ecec_z.jpg)
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9452/img0905gh.jpg)
Also maybe an "Aloxchamp" that has all official Alox tools? That would be interesting. :P
No problem, but this asks for loads of liners. Since I don't make my own, I won't be able to create such a thing. :p
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No problem, but this asks for loads of liners. Since I don't make my own, I won't be able to create such a thing. :p
No prob! :D
Something just came to my mind... 91mm Alox... :think: That would change everything. A Yeoman Alox... :drool: even thinking it is mesmerizing. :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
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No prob! :D
Something just came to my mind... 91mm Alox... :think: That would change everything. A Yeoman Alox... :drool: even thinking it is mesmerizing. :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Paging Dr. Syph...
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Alright. More anodizing stuff.
First of all I had some Cadet scales stripped and reanodized in black. The liners are orange.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img90/1918/p1020156w.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img145/5174/p1020160e.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img571/3004/p1020158x.jpg)
Not peened yet. I'm still hoping papercut will succeed in getting these darn pivots in 2.2. :D
Then we have a Pioneer. Here I told the anodizing shop conserve the red shield as good as possible. It ended up looking looking like this:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img202/3757/p1020161t.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img29/4593/p1020163t.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/7479/p1020165b.jpg)
I'm not sure what they did, however it was not masked. Masking yields perfect results but it's very complex to mask such a fine structure with this cement. I guess they kept stripping to a minimum as well as the colour exposing stage as short as possible.
I like the looks. The red is homogeneous. Sure, a true red and white shield still kills this, but hey, not bad for a start. :P
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When I get back to Asia, I will get look to have some 2.2mm pivots made at my alternate supplier. It will be a few more weeks though...
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No problem. :)
I have enough SAKs to carry. :sak:
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The pink shield looks familiar. This was how my first test experiment turned out.
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Yup, I think you get that by stripping off only the aluminum oxide.
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Dude, NIIIIIICE! :tu:
I'm kinda interested in playing with the barrel screw type pivots. Man, I wish they made em small enough for a 58mm. Suppose that's a bit too much to ask for though, huh.
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I did some painting today. :D
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/5572/img0120h.jpg)
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I did some painting today. :D
(http://img547.imageshack.us/img547/5572/img0120h.jpg)
:drool: :drool: :drool: YUM YUM GIMME
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PAINTING????
what do you mean !! :)
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I painted the Victorinox shield using white and red model paint.
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The locking position of the scissors on 93mm Alox using Solo springs was annoying me from day 1. I don't have the luxury of custom springs so I went for the more functional less appealing approach. I forged a custom rest into the Solo spring.
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/7955/p1020180j.jpg)
Given that I have currently no access to vices, solid tables, drill presses, belt sanders etc. I'm pleased with the result. :D
Thanks to the rest I could take off more of old "ramp" to get a full snap from all positions. Finally! :D
Comparison shot:
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9639/p1020182ab.jpg)
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What's to come:
(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1860/img0161ak.jpg)
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Do those scissors extend beyond the end of the SAK?
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No, these are vintage original 84mm scissors.
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And here we go!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5958875/Bilder/Cobra%20Compact/pioneermod.jpg)
Thanks all for the great tips!
To be honest, I think I was much more serene before I became aware of this notion show above. Nice pic crackout
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Alright, after some waiting on donor knives I could finally upgrade my keychain Rambler with an USB layer. And since timing allowed it, replaced the silver scales with black ones from Denmark. Close to perfect I'd say. :D
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1750/p10202001.jpg)
At first, I wanted to use the keyring part of the USB release. However, I carry this SAK on my bulky keychain. After the test assembly I hooked it on and noticed that the weight of my keychain alone was enough to flip the USB lock open. That's why I grinded it off and used the standard spring keychain attachment. Works a lot better now.
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That's a gorgeous knife right there. If I do another USB 58mm, I'll likely take off the plastic keyring like you did and go with the spring one instead. Love the black and red scales.
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Alright, after some waiting on donor knives I could finally upgrade my keychain Rambler with an USB layer. And since timing allowed it, replaced the silver scales with black ones from Denmark. Close to perfect I'd say. :D
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1750/p10202001.jpg)
Agreed! :drool:
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How hard was the alox peening. I always worry if I try to peen colored scales as slips show up so much. Silver seems more forgiving. Someday I'm going to build a peening machine. What if one was to combine a drill press / impact drill / 4oz peening hammer head... :D
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I'm pretty good at peening now. No problem there. The scales didn't suffer at all. I found it a lot harder to disassemble the donors without damaging the scales. Took some time. ;)
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I've only done the one alox so far, but I didn't find the work nearly as nerve wracking as I initially thought it would be. It was pretty straightforward and I managed not to mar the scales with the hammer...they were, however, marred when I drilled the rivets out at first, so it was kinda moot anyway.
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Nice USB rambler! Looks great in black.
I'm considering tearing down my orange alox minichamp & removing some of the unused tools since I really don't use anything but what's on the rambler anyway, but I dunno...
Great job.
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Very nice... I definitely have a serious hankering for one of these :drool:
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Must have super bantam
more
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Lumberjack time! :D
Ingredients:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img7/892/p1020274o.jpg)
Then after some peening:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/4443/p1020281m.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7171/p1020282p.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/8361/p1020283h.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img171/8507/p1020284fd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img199/6467/p1020285u.jpg)
I used my custom anodized scales and liner. I like it. :)
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Hi
Very nice looking mod!
Where or how do you do your custom anodizing?
Cheers
pawn
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I'm a professional yoyo builder. Those get anodized as well. So I just threw some scales and liners into the batch. :D
It was done by a German anodizing shop.
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Nice - the orange liner sits really well :tu:
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mmmm orange... I like that! If I have time I might try to do my own regular anodizing for orange scales since my pro cant do them in hard anodize.
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Classy. Love those colors together.
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Indeed! Orange and black together is classy.
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Lumberjack time! :D
Ingredients:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img7/892/p1020274o.jpg)
Then after some peening:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/4443/p1020281m.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7171/p1020282p.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/8361/p1020283h.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img171/8507/p1020284fd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img199/6467/p1020285u.jpg)
I used my custom anodized scales and liner. I like it. :)
One of my all time favorite 84mms.
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After some time in my pocket and heavy EDC, my USB Rambler still holds together nicely. Also the Alox has finally worn in. :D
(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9239/img0323pr.jpg)
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Nice... they look great when they start to look used :)
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Crackout, your custom SAKs look nicer and nicer. Great work there :drool:
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Just a little teaser:
I managed to snatch a mint serrated Recruit on Ebay today. :D
This I will use to build the dual blade Cadet. I thought of it like this:
Red scales, threaded pivots
Small blade, large blade
Scissors
Nail file, large serrated blade
Openers
Maybe I'll also fit a saw in there for even more monstrosity. :D
Let's hope it gets here soon.
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I managed to snatch a mint serrated Recruit on Ebay today. :D
:ahhh
Some of the blades I wished to have up my sleeve. Nice find. :)
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Sounds monstrous! You could slim it down by 86ing the small blade for a combo tool I suppose?
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Yeah, but I dislike the combo tool. It just doesn't feel right. Besides, I'd rather have a small blade and the nailfile.
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Yeah, but I dislike the combo tool.
:ahhh He said Jehova! Stone him! :twak:
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Looks good! Did you go with a solo backspring? They only need a very tiny bit of a grind on that one inside corner and then they work awesome.
What are you making next now? :D
I ended up buying that little bottle of Vic oil as well. :D It really makes it easy to get it where you want it in the SAK. :tu:
I use a small oil dispenser squeeze bottle. On to the nozzle is screwed the needle from a ball inflator.
It's how we bicycle mechanics dispensed tiny amounts of lube, back in the day!!
There is also proprietary lube sold in what looks like a hypodermic syringe. They work perfectly, of course, but why not avoid the premium price?
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Just a little teaser:
I managed to snatch a mint serrated Recruit on Ebay today. :D
This I will use to build the dual blade Cadet. I thought of it like this:
Red scales, threaded pivots
Small blade, large blade
Scissors
Nail file, large serrated blade
Openers
Maybe I'll also fit a saw in there for even more monstrosity. :D
Let's hope it gets here soon.
"Double Recruit Plus" = good.
Here's mine, in cellidor... even the same tool order as you're thinking. :)
I've kept both key-rings so I can have a mini S-biner and a lanyard attached.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20130627_102920_zps0d4335c3.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20130627_102920_zps0d4335c3.jpg.html)
I added a little filework to the spine of the serrated blade so it was identifiable from the closed position.
(http://i1309.photobucket.com/albums/s640/Peter_Thorpe/20130627_104822_zps8c987a02.jpg) (http://s1309.photobucket.com/user/Peter_Thorpe/media/20130627_104822_zps8c987a02.jpg.html)
and yes... I still need to finish grinding the end of the scissor spring rest down.
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It. is. on.
(http://hostr.co/file/5FrVqsiOGK7C/IMG_0455-1.jpg)
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Nice! JR
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I finally found the time to rumble. I give you the super prepared Cadet. :angel:
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4344/xo40.jpg)
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4084/3aop.jpg)
(http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/97/s2fq.jpg)
What a beast. At some point I'll add the thin nickel silver liners (still need two). This one uses the threaded pivots Syph sent me. I didn't have to grind them to length. They just fit. :D
Adding a saw is very tempting, but then I'd have to combine the pivots. Took me a lot of nerve to tear apart the serrated Recruit, it was in a nearly mint condition. >:D
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Very nice work there crackout :cheers:
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Very nice! A saw, very tempting! Will a nail file fit across from a combo? The bottle/can/screwdriver? JR
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:tu:
If you want the regular Al liners to be a bit nicer, I edge sand them up to 800 grit and they actually end up looking decent.
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Lumberjack time! :D
Ingredients:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img7/892/p1020274o.jpg)
Then after some peening:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img534/4443/p1020281m.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7171/p1020282p.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img580/8361/p1020283h.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img171/8507/p1020284fd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img199/6467/p1020285u.jpg)
I used my custom anodized scales and liner. I like it. :)
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Very nice, and the riveting is super.
:cheers:
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Glad you like it. :angel:
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Today I made a Farmer with scissors using worn custom anodized scales I did a few months ago.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img268/2447/8t6o.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img855/6058/kk6q.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img856/7774/khwk.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img38/9468/my7d.jpg)
Love it! :angel:
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I finally found the time to power up the Cadet Syph put together for me.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img811/341/mtby.jpg)
I added a saw. Let me tell you, getting the pivots just right with the thin 84mm scales is hard. Very hard. But I got it eventually. :D
Wilderness pics:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img89/3623/jl6d.jpg)
(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6136/f89s.jpg)
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Here's another shot with the tools exposed:
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3206/ynf8.jpg)
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Nice. :tu: Where did you harvest the saw from for the cadet?
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A My First Victorinox Plus with nylon scales.
I found this to be the cheapest way of getting a saw (10€/~$14 on Amazon.de).
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Yes getting the pivots just right is a huge pain! Thats another reason I gave up doing more 84mm mods. The thicker scales on the 93mm work so much better.
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Next time I'll use button head srews that don't need sinking in the scales.
That way the pivots can extend further into the scales giving the entire structure more strength.
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Finished another super Cadet yesterday.
Saw and scissors for extra beef. Classic silver scales. A beauty.
In order to have the pivots extend as much into the scales as possible I used flat button head screws and only minimal sinking. The snap is intense.
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/3900/jz3i.jpg)
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I actually do like the look. Only small detail: I would countersink the scales as deep as you need to level the surface to the deep part of teh machined structure.
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I think the button heads are the way to go for 84s. To have a good snap the pivots really need to be in the scales as far as possible, and using the flat heads is very frustrating to get just right.
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I actually do like the look. Only small detail: I would countersink the scales as deep as you need to level the surface to the deep part of teh machined structure.
It would look better yes, but this is 100% function first.
And somehow I love the look of things that have their look only because of a purpose. :D
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Very nice looking SAK. :tu:
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i just went thru all 9 pages and great work!!!!! i really like the button heads raised up they look pretty cool. i applaud all your hard work and skill on these awesome looking mods crackout :salute:
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Thanks a lot.
I wouldn't have been able to do a single thing without the immense knowledge and greatness of this forum and its members. ;)
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Alright. I received my latest patients.
This will evolve into an Alox Executive with money/pocket clip.
Already tore the Executive apart. Tiny bushings. :angel:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img11/153/h8rs.jpg)
Tomorrow I'll get the pin stock in 2mm and I hope I can finish it on the weekend.
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Looking forward to this. Not many, if any 75mm mods here. :D
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Looking forward to this. Not many, if any 75mm mods here. :D
I remember Neil did one with a 58mm combo tool added, but not any others spring to mind. :think:
Looking forward to seeing this Crackout. :cheers:
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Cool :tu:
Ya Ive never taken one apart either. I think I have a used one in the msc box, but Ive never really looked at it much. Its neat to see it looks similarly constructed to a 58. On that subject Ive wondered how funny it would be to upscale that spring design to work with 91 mm tools... so a 4 pivot system 91mm that works like a 58... weird but possible. :D
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On that subject Ive wondered how funny it would be to upscale that spring design to work with 91 mm tools... so a 4 pivot system 91mm that works like a 58... weird but possible. :D
That does sound like it would be a very interesting project. :D
Your mission, if you choose to accept it ... :whistle:
It would make the 91mm a bit wider though. :think:
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On that subject Ive wondered how funny it would be to upscale that spring design to work with 91 mm tools... so a 4 pivot system 91mm that works like a 58... weird but possible. :D
That does sound like it would be a very interesting project. :D
Your mission, if you choose to accept it ... :whistle:
It would make the 91mm a bit wider though. :think:
Wider ya, but you could have the same good top tools in a SAK half as thick :D Im not a fan of any of the backtools, so I like the idea. :D
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Next step: MoneyClip slaughter. Beware, graphically content! :whistle:
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/705/gptk.jpg)
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Next step: MoneyClip slaughter. Beware, graphically content! :whistle:
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/705/gptk.jpg)
:ahhh the suspense :ahhh
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First test assembly. Works fine.
(http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4586/kv3c.jpg)
It's too late now to peen today. My neighbors will kill me. :D
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:popcorn:
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Looking great so far. :tu:
I have to ask though. Why do you wish the moneyclip back on it? To use as a pocketclip or for it's intended purpose?
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Pocketclip. :tu:
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We're getting closer.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/y6uhy3u2.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/14/3etaveja.jpg)
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You tease, get the hammer. :pok:
:D
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We have liftoff. I give you: the overly attached Executive. :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img607/5346/6b28.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img41/5312/5c95.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/940/o80w.jpg)
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We have liftoff. I give you: the overly attached Executive. :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img607/5346/6b28.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img41/5312/5c95.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/940/o80w.jpg)
Shiny :drool:
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A+ I Dont see any dings in the scales. :salute:
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Oh me wants! No pocket clip for me thanks. It is the devil finding an alox exec.
Wow, I need to get a stateside guy to fab one up.
Cheers
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Very, very nice mate. :tu:
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It is the devil finding an alox exec.
Yup. And when you do find one, it has a bail or advertisement. That's why I had to go custom on this one.
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It is the devil finding an alox exec.
Yup. And when you do find one, it has a bail or advertisement. That's why I had to go custom on this one.
Nice ! I'm not so fond of the 74mm line. This one I would consider, despite the clip. :)
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Crackout!
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I just ordered 3.0mm and 2.5mm carbide bits to finally attempt my 111 mod. :angel:
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Built a new Urban Pioneer with my remaining anodized scales. Golden screws.
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/8035/ed3r.jpg)
Oh and I made new pivots for this one using pin stock with a 1.7mm hole I cut a M2 threading in.
I can make custom lenghts now. Up to 100cm. :D
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Oh and I made new pivots for this one using pin stock with a 1.7mm hole I cut a M2 threading in.
I can make custom lenghts now. Up to 100cm. :D
What material is the pivot pin stock?
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That is rather big news!
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What material is the pivot pin stock?
Brass.
I made a test where I clamped a piece in my vice and went Rambo on it. It withstood a lot of pressure.
So I'm pretty sure these will hold beautifully in EDC.
Side note: I also clamped the modified Solo spring (with a rest for the scissors) in the vice as well and gave it a few blows bending it a few degrees. Now the scissors have amazing snap. The difference is huge. I'd suggest this to anyone using Solo or blade springs for scissors.
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I have - In the same spiirit - bought soem 4 mm Brass tubeing with 2 mm id to tap M3 threads in tehre and be able to screw togetehr soem 108 and 111 mods. 4 mm Carbide bits are easier to come by than imperial sizes and there is enough meat left at the pivots.
I´m looking forward to your experiences and will gladly share mine!
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I have - In the same spiirit - bought soem 4 mm Brass tubeing with 2 mm id to tap M3 threads in tehre and be able to screw togetehr soem 108 and 111 mods. 4 mm Carbide bits are easier to come by than imperial sizes and there is enough meat left at the pivots.
I´m looking forward to your experiences and will gladly share mine!
Thats a good idea, larger pivot should be strong enough.
I bought some stainless 4mm rod to make some swisstool spirit pivots with so I dont have to drill out those tools to replace with pivots and be able to easily add pocket clips.
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Side note: I also clamped the modified Solo spring (with a rest for the scissors) in the vice as well and gave it a few blows bending it a few degrees. Now the scissors have amazing snap. The difference is huge. I'd suggest this to anyone using Solo or blade springs for scissors.
I found that works well,
even with just careful shaping of the "ramp" at the free end of the backspring and a slight bend you can get scissors sitting just right and having really good snap on a Solo spring.
The main thing is to go SLOWLY with the filing/dremelling and test fit often... you can't put material back. :)
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/26/8ybumu6y.jpg)
Finished! I love these.
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Nice!
sent from Nate's mobile
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Very nice. :)
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I always wanted to try to turn some 91mm in 84mm scissors. I think it came out fine. :angel:
(http://hostr.co/file/1ovNals2cO3M/P1030810.jpg)
(http://hostr.co/file/pDDtTwnJrdOK/P1030808.jpg)
(http://hostr.co/file/hqNBOkvkWPUL/P1030809.jpg)
(http://hostr.co/file/r7Rhn4YqVh4v/P1030806.jpg)
(http://hostr.co/file/yKafhQBnvYIE/P1030804.jpg)
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:tu: the scissors in my "Double Recruit" are cut down 91mm's just the same as this.
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Btw, I had to modify the spring and the lower blade as well, otherwise the scissors would stick out. :whistle:
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The scissors I used had one broken tip so I had to re-profile them anyway. Also I used a blade spring and a rest at the free end.
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The last step to my perfect Cadet. The ribbed vintage scales.
I found a beat up Waiter on eBay, and I knew, this is the missing puzzle piece.
Carnage...
(http://i.imgur.com/reoa5Cj.jpg)
And after some magic it's finally done!
(http://i.imgur.com/e6V22pa.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/s1snJS8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/s6OcH1i.jpg)
Case closed. :tool:
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That's a beauty right there :drool:
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Here are a few more pictures. I also weathered the screws by heat colouring.
You won't believe how much effort and time as well as money went into this sucker.
Included:
* 3 Cadets for the tools and liners
* 1 vintage Waiter for the scales
* 1 vintage 84mm Climber for the scissors spring
* 1 MyFristVictorinox for the saw
* 1 Compact for the 91mm scissors
* drilled out pivot holes
* threaded pivots
* modified 91mms scissors and modified 84mm scissors spring
* heat coloured button head screws
* hours and hours of fiddling
(http://i.imgur.com/3CkOV7h.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PbBWr7Y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FSbDwUQ.jpg)
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Gorgeous. :drool:
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I used a modern 91mm scissor spring in my Urban Cadet (84mm Cadet, with 84mm vintage scissors added). There are two issues to overcome:
1.....the hole the scissors spring locates into is too small for a modern spring. I very carefully ground (Dremel, sanding disk) just a smidge off the curl of the spring, then squeezed it down till it fit the hole tightly.
2....when the scissors close in the knife, the spring is a bit too "open" to permit proper closure. I used a small pin punch in the offending spring bend, and closed the radius till the scissors closed fully. The pin punch was used as a support/stop, in case I closed the spring too far and flattened it.
All told, it only took maybe 10 minutes to modify to my satisfaction. And it's a lot easier than trying to locate a vintage spring.
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I like it, very nice job. :tu:
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BTW, Happy birthday. :cheers:
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(https://hostr.co/file/JS97JeKmxpZo/DSC_0666.jpg)
Finally I could give my Pioneer a red shield! :D
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It got nice new clothes. :D
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This will be the next mod. I just have to find some time to redrill the holes (OH 111mm and Slide-Lock 111mm have different hole sizes).
(http://i.imgur.com/6WcDC2h.jpg)
And I finally got a bigger box to store all the fodder in. :D
(http://i.imgur.com/AjhG7Cl.jpg)
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And I finally got a bigger box to store all the fodder in. :D
(http://i.imgur.com/AjhG7Cl.jpg)
Nicely organised! :tu:
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I found a perfect condition vintage Golfer and decided to harvest the thick tang blade and the nice scissors for my beloved Cadet to replace the modern blade and the converted 91mm scissors.
(http://i.imgur.com/MHKpLTm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y9jYkAY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GfrUePS.jpg)
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Gorgeous looking mod. Lately I've fallen out of love with the standard bottle opener, and now I'm more a fan of the combo one.
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(http://i.imgur.com/izmwUkU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WecOztO.jpg)
I give you: the OHutrider :D
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:drool:
Did you drill out all the Outrider parts to OHT size?
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Yep.
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But now it's no longer DE legal, right? :\
I'll give ot a good, loving home. :whistle:
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I was thinking about a fast way to add a scissors rest to solo springs and came up with this:
(http://i.imgur.com/iN7LSZL.jpg)
I used a thick dremel cutting wheel to create the slot and then hammered two thin 1.5 brass pins in (one from each side). Sand to perfect length and you're done. :D
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:tu: nice job crackout!
JR
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Looks good, I might try that with my next transplant. Maybe use a piece of sheet rather than two pins?
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Looks good, I might try that with my next transplant. Maybe use a piece of sheet rather than two pins?
If you have it ready, why not?
I like the fact that the blade centers in the little groove formed by the two pins though.
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I always wanted to try and add a backtool to a 84mm Alox knife, especially an awl. I used the spring and the tools of a 84mm Climber. The awl sits in the opener layer.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hy4nurx.jpg)
Goodies: Danish Cadet scales, peened and resharpened 84mm scissors, heat coloured screws.
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I figured they would work since the cadet are the same size. Looks good! :tu:
JR
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Shots of the backside.
(http://i.imgur.com/ssFuBng.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6B1yJOq.jpg)
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:salute: I dig it. :salute:
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I always wanted to try and add a backtool to a 84mm Alox knife, especially an awl. I used the spring and the tools of a 84mm Climber. The awl sits in the opener layer.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hy4nurx.jpg)
Goodies: Danish Cadet scales, peened and resharpened 84mm scissors, heat coloured screws.
I'm loving that mod :tu:
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Shots of the backside.
(http://i.imgur.com/6B1yJOq.jpg)
Wow, that SAK looks really happy...
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Shots of the backside.
(http://i.imgur.com/6B1yJOq.jpg)
Wow, that SAK looks really happy...
:whistle:
Excited.
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Is there a hidden 4th pin to locate the opener layer spring?
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Yep.
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Nice job! I started to make one ages ago, I even made the back side cutout before anodizing.. Then when I went to drill the hidden holes on the inside, I drilled right through the bloody scale. :facepalm:
I wouldnt mind converting a small tinker to alox sometime though. The standard silver scales you could do the cutout on without much notice of the bare Al showing.
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I drilled small holes on the insides of the scales for the floating pin, but I found that using cellidor model aluminum liners with holes for the 4th pin (instead of the nickel silver ones with the notch) hold the pin nicely. With these liners you can sand the pin flush with the spring on both sides and don't need to drill into the scale at all.
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I drilled small holes on the insides of the scales for the floating pin, but I found that using cellidor model aluminum liners with holes for the 4th pin (instead of the nickel silver ones with the notch) hold the pin nicely. With these liners you can sand the pin flush with the spring on both sides and don't need to drill into the scale at all.
Ah! Good idea. I could do that trick for the 91mm mods too. :tu:
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I drilled small holes on the insides of the scales for the floating pin, but I found that using cellidor model aluminum liners with holes for the 4th pin (instead of the nickel silver ones with the notch) hold the pin nicely. With these liners you can sand the pin flush with the spring on both sides and don't need to drill into the scale at all.
Ah! Good idea. I could do that trick for the 91mm mods too. :tu:
"We" are teaching Syph so many new ideas the last couple of days.
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I drilled small holes on the insides of the scales for the floating pin, but I found that using cellidor model aluminum liners with holes for the 4th pin (instead of the nickel silver ones with the notch) hold the pin nicely. With these liners you can sand the pin flush with the spring on both sides and don't need to drill into the scale at all.
Ah! Good idea. I could do that trick for the 91mm mods too. :tu:
"We" are teaching Syph so many new ideas the last couple of days.
Yeah, he could send a few modded SAKs our way as a thank you, right?
:whistle: :pok: :pok: :D
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I drilled small holes on the insides of the scales for the floating pin, but I found that using cellidor model aluminum liners with holes for the 4th pin (instead of the nickel silver ones with the notch) hold the pin nicely. With these liners you can sand the pin flush with the spring on both sides and don't need to drill into the scale at all.
Ah! Good idea. I could do that trick for the 91mm mods too. :tu:
"We" are teaching Syph so many new ideas the last couple of days.
Yeah, he could send a few modded SAKs our way as a thank you, right?
:whistle: :pok: :pok: :D
Seems perfectly fair to me.