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Title: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 15, 2015, 09:45:23 PM
My supertool 300, Mut and Rebar had issues with the friction that keep the handles in the plier position, after a while it would get so sloppy that it would barely work in the plier position and open and rattle in my pocket, the leatherman Mut was basicly a balisong plier, there was no friction at all after 3 month of hard use. The supertool i haven't onwned of a long time so i have not really expirienced a problem there altought in the closed position the handles would not close completely because the part where the folded edge on the handle starts, that are portruded al little bit and so it wobbeld in the closed positon.
My leatherman rebar had the same problem, when new the friction is excellent but after half a year of use it is almost completly gone.

I just bought a leatherman wave and i wil see how that will hold up.

Are there guys out here that own a leatherman for 5+ years, is your friction completely gone? Does it annoy the crap out of you? is there a way to fix it?

I find it strange that the cheapest leatherman (wingman sidekick) has the best plier locking system?
I would love to see that lock system on new leatherman instead of the friction system.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: NKlamerus on March 15, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
Have you tried tightening the screws?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 15, 2015, 10:01:25 PM

I find it strange that the cheapest leatherman (wingman sidekick) has the best plier locking system?


Do you mean locking open or locking closed and what exactly do you mean by "locking"?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 15, 2015, 10:28:20 PM

I find it strange that the cheapest leatherman (wingman sidekick) has the best plier locking system?


Do you mean locking open or locking closed and what exactly do you mean by "locking"?

The sidekick has springs that lock in a notch on the plier, thereby it locks firmly and for years to come in the closed and open position.
other leatherman's just have the friction on the bolts and the middle edge of the plier that is pushed against the handle top.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 15, 2015, 10:29:34 PM
Have you tried tightening the screws?

That could be a soloution but on the wave/charge models the knife and saw etc would be hard to open.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: NKlamerus on March 15, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
Have you tried tightening the screws?

That could be a soloution but on the wave/charge models the knife and saw etc would be hard to open.
It matters yes, but even an eighth of a turn has a huge affect on the pliers without messing with the saw/blade deployment.

I think finding the perfect tension was the hardest part of putting my Charge AL back together.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: SteveC on March 15, 2015, 10:32:49 PM
Try tightening, there should be a happy median for the pliers and the OHO tools. You could also send it to Leatherman for warranty tune up.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 15, 2015, 10:42:04 PM
I have loosen al the bolts on my wave because they where too tight, it is pretty difficult find the right tension, half a turn too lose and the tools just fall out, half a turn too tight and your nail breaks.

In europe tools are never repaired, they are always replaced so that is not an option.
I guess that tightening the bolts is the best solotion for classic style tools such as the rebar and supertool.
However the raised part on the plier where on the wave/charge model the blade safety slides by is not adjusteble and this was the part that whore of my mut and rebar.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: av8r1 on March 15, 2015, 10:47:11 PM
My main tool is the Skeletool, and the pliers on those are held open and closed with back spring snaps.  In four years, it didn't wear out.  My Wave is almost as old but not as worn.

Are you having a problem with the pliers staying open when you're using the tool, or staying closed in carry?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 15, 2015, 10:59:40 PM

I find it strange that the cheapest leatherman (wingman sidekick) has the best plier locking system?


Do you mean locking open or locking closed and what exactly do you mean by "locking"?

The sidekick has springs that lock in a notch on the plier, thereby it locks firmly and for years to come in the closed and open position.
other leatherman's just have the friction on the bolts and the middle edge of the plier that is pushed against the handle top.

That reminds me of my Kick (rip) which had open friction via the slightly eccentric pivot against the handle as you describe.  Was unacceptably stiff. My Fuse has exactly the same system but is not over stiff.  Closed retention is just pivot to Zytel friction and easily adjusted.

You are right to highlight Wingman (spring against pivot flat in open and closed position).  Seems to work well with every expectation of lasting.  Speculating that Wingman needs good closed retention because of the sprung pliers.

Rebar has closed retention via two spring arms against pivot flats.  Same as Wingman.  If that fails that has to be a warranty issue.  Opening friction is the spring arms against the pivot and handle friction set by pivot torque.  Adjust to suit.  The fully open retention is the old eccentric pivot against the handle.  I could see that wearing with heavy use.  Probably a warranty issue.

Warranty is not an option for me because invariably my MTs are modded.  I would attempt adjustment.








 
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 15, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
I have loosen al the bolts on my wave because they where too tight, it is pretty difficult find the right tension, half a turn too lose and the tools just fall out, half a turn too tight and your nail breaks.


Yes half a turn is too much.  I use low strength thread lock and adjust a few degrees at a time.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 15, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
There is another method that requires a hammer, nail punch and screwdriver.

I'll try and get some pics for you later showing where to do the adjusting work.

Ten points awarded if you can figure it out before I find time to take the pics.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: SteveC on March 15, 2015, 11:13:18 PM
There is another method that requires a hammer, nail punch and screwdriver.

I'll try and get some pics for you later showing where to do the adjusting work.

Ten points awarded if you can figure it out before I find time to take the pics.

Nice !  Dr. Z to the rescue  :tu:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 16, 2015, 10:31:20 AM
There is another method that requires a hammer, nail punch and screwdriver.

I'll try and get some pics for you later showing where to do the adjusting work.

Ten points awarded if you can figure it out before I find time to take the pics.

I suspect you are going to solve a too loose when closed up issue.  Regarding my Kick (rip) stiff to fully open issue would you have recommended filing the pivot or the handle?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 16, 2015, 11:32:45 AM
There is another method that requires a hammer, nail punch and screwdriver.

I'll try and get some pics for you later showing where to do the adjusting work.

Ten points awarded if you can figure it out before I find time to take the pics.

I suspect you are going to solve a too loose when closed up issue.  Regarding my Kick (rip) stiff to fully open issue would you have recommended filing the pivot or the handle?

I was going to cover both.

In the past I've tried the pliers cam/wedge and the handle.

I find the nail punch and screwdriver much quicker and it can be adjusted both ways.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 16, 2015, 01:27:01 PM

 :wait:

OK I realise I need a NZ clock on my desktop.

Added it and its smaller than the mother country clock :rofl:

Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 16, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

 :wait:

OK I realise I need a NZ clock on my desktop.

Added it and its smaller than the mother country clock :rofl:

I'll try and get to it in the next couple days.  :D
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 16, 2015, 01:35:15 PM
 :tu:
Didn't mean to wake you up.  No hurry for my question,  Fuse handle stiffness is OK.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 18, 2015, 03:57:38 PM
Today i used a blast from a friend of mine, the tool is 5 years old.
The plier friction in the open position is good, but closed is completely worn out.
If you hold the tool with one hand the other handle just falls out.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 18, 2015, 04:39:10 PM
Today i used a blast from a friend of mine, the tool is 5 years old.
The plier friction in the open position is good, but closed is completely worn out.
If you hold the tool with one hand the other handle just falls out.

Blast closed friction is 100% pivot to Zytel.  Nip up the pivot.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: anditsgone on March 18, 2015, 04:42:54 PM
Today i used a blast from a friend of mine, the tool is 5 years old.
The plier friction in the open position is good, but closed is completely worn out.
If you hold the tool with one hand the other handle just falls out.

Blast closed friction is 100% pivot to Zytel.  Nip up the pivot.

Is the plier pressing against the zytel insert?
That would mean that it weares out in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: pingu on March 18, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Today i used a blast from a friend of mine, the tool is 5 years old.
The plier friction in the open position is good, but closed is completely worn out.
If you hold the tool with one hand the other handle just falls out.

Blast closed friction is 100% pivot to Zytel.  Nip up the pivot.

Is the plier pressing against the zytel insert?
That would mean that it weares out in a couple of weeks.

There may or may not be a washer but that's the principle.   I don't think a couple of weeks is right.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:31:26 AM
Better late than never right.
This is my take on this, it works for me, YMMV.
Grab some beater tools, don't use your nice screwdrivers.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8751/16744292557_5d736b3311.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rvCSPg)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:32:07 AM
If the handles are loose in the plier mode.

Hit it here or near. You have to hit it pretty hard. Test between strikes.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/16950698661_4b7dfd784d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rPSLac)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:32:36 AM
It will look something like this old Surge handle.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7617/16329271544_801af743ec.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qSXMwy)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:33:18 AM
If the handles are loose when closed.

This is where I hit. Test between strikes, feel which side needs the work.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7611/16331571793_b3674eda27.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/qTazj2)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:33:50 AM
If the pliers are removed then I use a vice/vise.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7584/16951660465_b94dc1af4c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rPXG52)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:34:37 AM
If the handles are too tight when deploying to plier mode.

Position the MT against something solid.
Note the vice isn't tightened, the MT is just sitting there.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7623/16951659965_d891c52001.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rPXFVp)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on March 28, 2015, 09:35:30 AM
You can tap the screwdriver in or use it to lever up with. Test and repeat.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/16744290127_80ae8a6481.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rvCS6n)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: SteveC on March 28, 2015, 01:22:09 PM
Excellent tutorial     :tu:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on April 06, 2015, 04:07:35 AM
Excellent tutorial     :tu:

Thanks Steve.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: NKlamerus on December 02, 2015, 02:17:42 AM
I started this trial but never finished it. Ill take apart the surge again and start over tomorrow.

@zoidberg ,  what is the purpose of the 2 pronged "fork" that is riveted in? Is it only to lock the blades while handles are open?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on December 02, 2015, 11:28:43 AM
IMO that's correct.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: NKlamerus on June 16, 2016, 07:02:03 PM
Marked.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Poncho65 on June 17, 2016, 04:32:08 PM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Toolslinger on June 17, 2016, 08:06:10 PM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh

^ solves so many problems... ;)
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Poncho65 on June 17, 2016, 08:09:25 PM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh

^ solves so many problems... ;)

It has caused a few as well :ahhh :D
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Poncho65 on June 17, 2016, 08:10:27 PM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh

^ solves so many problems... ;)

It has caused a few as well :ahhh :D

Live by the hammer die by the hammer  :viking:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Toolslinger on June 17, 2016, 08:14:59 PM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh

^ solves so many problems... ;)

It has caused a few as well :ahhh :D

Live by the hammer die by the hammer  :viking:

By the HAMMER!!! :viking:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Don Pablo on September 01, 2017, 03:07:16 PM
I'm glad I found this friction adjusting guide, very interesting.  :like: :like: :like:
Bookmarked, thanks Zoidberg.  :salute:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on September 01, 2017, 11:38:21 PM
I should add that before going to the hammer to check the pivots etc.
Sometimes the loctite lets go and the screw loosens or the post unseats or a washers gets mangled.
A good cleaning, thread locker and lube goes a long way.
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Don Pablo on September 02, 2017, 12:18:50 AM
I understand.  :tu:
If anything, the friction on mine is a tad much, but I like it that way.  :like:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Poncho65 on September 02, 2017, 12:45:55 AM
I have a bit of this going on with my Supertool 300 :tu: I m gonna try and tighten it if I ever remeber to when I am home ::) if that doesn't work then I am gonna use the Zoidberg technique :D I always like the addage "use a bigger hammer" anyway so that should be fun :ahhh

^ solves so many problems... ;)

It has caused a few as well :ahhh :D

Live by the hammer die by the hammer  :viking:

By the HAMMER!!! :viking:

I still go by this :viking:

 :D
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Chunky_lafunga on September 12, 2022, 03:48:55 AM
If the handles are loose in the plier mode.

Hit it here or near. You have to hit it pretty hard. Test between strikes.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/16950698661_4b7dfd784d.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/rPSLac)

I realize this thread is very old, but I'm having the same issue with my 24 hour old Surge. Both handles just flop open :( rendering the pliers almost completely unusable.

For some reason the quoted pictures don't seem to be working. Any idea where I could see a similar tutorial?
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: Poncho65 on September 12, 2022, 04:37:37 AM
Welcome to :MTO: :cheers:

I haven't had this issue but hopefully someone with a better understanding of how they did this will be along to help you out :salute: :tu:
Title: Re: Leatherman plier friction problems?
Post by: zoidberg on September 12, 2022, 03:34:11 PM
I realize this thread is very old, but I'm having the same issue with my 24 hour old Surge. Both handles just flop open :( rendering the pliers almost completely unusable.

For some reason the quoted pictures don't seem to be working. Any idea where I could see a similar tutorial?

A brand new tool shouldn't do this.
If replacing it isn't an option then like I mentioned above check that the pivot screws are tight before adjusting with a hammer.
The hosted pics are long gone but I could probably dig them up or take new ones if needed.