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Outdoor Section => The Outdoor and Survival Forum => Topic started by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 06, 2007, 09:12:25 AM
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I've just found the perfect bike for Def, I'd like to see him break one of these in a hurry ;D
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/surly-pugsley/
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Nice- I even like the color!
I started to worry when I saw that it was for Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard, two places that people like me only go to cater the parties of rich people!
Then I saw the price at the bottom, and, well I have to say that I think maybe I am better off trashing a bunch of cheaper bikes instead!
It is a nice concept though- I do like the "tank on wheels" motif. It kind of reminds me of the old Motocross style bike I had in the 80's. It was a bicycle but had all these plastic addons to make it look like a dirt bike, and the darn thing weighed about as much as a motorbike!
Def
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You can't go wrong with a Surly...there's a lot of good buzz about them.Owners love them,and apparently rock solid rugged.
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Yeah, but for that cost it bloody well make my breakfast too! :P
Def
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Yeah, but for that cost it bloody well make my breakfast too! :P
Def
they are fearsomely expensive and unless you live in a bog, your never gona need tyres like that :o
But i bet there tough as old boots!
me i want one of these... :)
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/rohloffexp.html
I'm thinking when my son gets older, maybe getting a couple of these or a tandem and me and him doing some serious exploring, maybe doing the road of bones in russia? :)
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I like the classic looks of the Thorn bike, but wouldn't it be better to have a recumbent bike to tour a place like Russia?
Def
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I like the classic looks of the Thorn bike, but wouldn't it be better to have a recumbent bike to tour a place like Russia?
Def
Not where i,ve got in mind ;D
Don,t see a recumbent being much use here :D
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Good point...
Although for something like that the only thing I can see being really useful is an old Lada Cossack!
(http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/pastmasters/lada/images/lada_heading.jpg)
Def
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Good point...
Although for something like that the only thing I can see being really useful is an old Lada Cossack!
(http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/pastmasters/lada/images/lada_heading.jpg)
Def
am I the only one who thinks they've a certain charm?
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You kidding me? I love Cossacks and Nivas, and at low speeds, they out-torque a 4.0L Jeep Wrangler!
Def
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You kidding me? I love Cossacks and Nivas, and at low speeds, they out-torque a 4.0L Jeep Wrangler!
Def
my teacher at school had one and i was always impressed by there basic but robust engineering :)
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typical russian engineering, everything could be fixed with a 3 inch spanner ;D
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typical russian engineering, everything could be fixed with a 3 inch spanner ;D
Well that and a hammer too.T-34 drivers found a hammer a useful thing to shift gears in WW2
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I like the classic looks of the Thorn bike, but wouldn't it be better to have a recumbent bike to tour a place like Russia?
Def
Not where i,ve got in mind ;D
Don,t see a recumbent being much use here :D
Hitch on a trailer,and Def can bring the kayak....and a barrel of mosquito repellant.
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Yeah, but for that cost it bloody well make my breakfast too! :P
Def
they are fearsomely expensive and unless you live in a bog, your never gona need tyres like that :o
But i bet there tough as old boots!
me i want one of these... :)
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/rohloffexp.html
I'm thinking when my son gets older, maybe getting a couple of these or a tandem and me and him doing some serious exploring, maybe doing the road of bones in russia? :)
There must certainly be a different philosophy towards touring bikes in Europe.I've seen a Koga-Miyata kitted out similarly. Most North American tourers are more like road bikes with beefier components.The Surly Long Haul Trucker is becoming the champ in that segment of the sport here Stateside.
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Yeah, but for that cost it bloody well make my breakfast too! :P
Def
they are fearsomely expensive and unless you live in a bog, your never gona need tyres like that :o
But i bet there tough as old boots!
me i want one of these... :)
http://www.thorncycles.co.uk/rohloffexp.html
I'm thinking when my son gets older, maybe getting a couple of these or a tandem and me and him doing some serious exploring, maybe doing the road of bones in russia? :)
There must certainly be a different philosophy towards touring bikes in Europe.I've seen a Koga-Miyata kitted out similarly. Most North American tourers are more like road bikes with beefier components.The Surly Long Haul Trucker is becoming the champ in that segment of the sport here Stateside.
Your average european tourer is usually an over built audax bike, typically they have steel frames.
the thorn on the other hand is an expedition bike and is designed, and has actually has gone round the world.
Everything is beefed up to the point of indestructability, all the components are either totally reliable and crashproof or are easy for a complete numptie to fix. and best of all the frames are normally made from good ole reynolds 531 STEEL, none of this aluminium or carbon fibre malarkey ;D
But then a top spec one will cost you almost £3000! :o
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Brand new a Lada Cossack costs about that too!
Def
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Micky,I'm with you 100% Steel rules the roads! I love the shock absorbing properties of steel,and to me a good steel frame gives a friendlier,more responsive ride than any other material.
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Brand new a Lada Cossack costs about that too!
Def
You get better fuel economy on the bike :P ;D
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Micky,I'm with you 100% Steel rules the roads! I love the shock absorbing properties of steel,and to me a good steel frame gives a friendlier,more responsive ride than any other material.
Plus if the worst happens, even some third world mechanic should be able to weld it up for you :)
some of the new carbon fibre bike can't even be droped with out breaking amd they can be as much as £9000 :o :o :o
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That to me is worth more than anything else when on the trail, whether it be a bike, a truck, kayak or whatever. I'd much rather have something that is easily (or relatively easily) repaired rather than something that's "indestructable" because, well, you all know my reputation!
As for the Lada, yeah it probably is less fuel efficient than the bike, but it has more cargo space and you stay dry inside! :pok: Plus it has rear windshield defrosters to keep your hands warm when you have to push it!
Def
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That to me is worth more than anything else when on the trail, whether it be a bike, a truck, kayak or whatever. I'd much rather have something that is easily (or relatively easily) repaired rather than something that's "indestructable" because, well, you all know my reputation!
As for the Lada, yeah it probably is less fuel efficient than the bike, but it has more cargo space and you stay dry inside! :pok: Plus it has rear windshield defrosters to keep your hands warm when you have to push it!
Def
to true mate , I,m a hand,s on spanner man so i hate needless complication in things ;D
except i,d still go with a hub obviously ;) ;D
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Let's not open the hub/derailleur argument again! :pok:
Def
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Let's not open the hub/derailleur argument again! :pok:
Def
i make no promises! ;D
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Do I have to make both of you go to your rooms without supper?! ;D
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Do I have to make both of you go to your rooms without supper?! ;D
sorry boss :cry:
;D
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Unless you have an amphibious bike that can catch my kayak, I doubt you'll have much chance! :grin:
Def
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Unless you have an amphibious bike that can catch my kayak, I doubt you'll have much chance! :grin:
Def
It all depends...if it's hub equipped he might stand a chance in urban waterways. ;)
Drat..now I have to send myself to my room without supper....but it was going to be meatloaf tonight----YIPPEE !! I did myself a big favor!!
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Start paddling boy ;) ;D
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Start paddling boy ;) ;D
Hub or derailleur? Looks like hills might be a tad tough to tackle ;D
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I think I need to get me one of those!
Def
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Start paddling boy ;) ;D
Hub or derailleur? Looks like hills might be a tad tough to tackle ;D
hub of course, i don't want rusty cog's ;D
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I think I need to get me one of those!
Def
I bet there great fun in the wake of a big-ish ship :o
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If I can manage it in my kayak, that shouldn't be much problem!
Def
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maybe def can add tires to his kayak?
that bike looks good, but doesn't those tires weight to much? i have an old khs bike with some mixture of shimano alivio and lx shifts, the frame is made of cromoli, it is very good had survived me for many years and i even bought it used
Esteban
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Funny you should say that- I am waiting for a set of wheels for my kayak now!
Def
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maybe def can add tires to his kayak?
that bike looks good, but doesn't those tires weight to much? i have an old khs bike with some mixture of shimano alivio and lx shifts, the frame is made of cromoli, it is very good had survived me for many years and i even bought it used
Esteban
I demand pics ;D
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maybe def can add tires to his kayak?
that bike looks good, but doesn't those tires weight to much? i have an old khs bike with some mixture of shimano alivio and lx shifts, the frame is made of cromoli, it is very good had survived me for many years and i even bought it used
Esteban
I demand pics ;D
KHS is a very good,underrated brand,not to mention realtively inexpensive,good value for the money
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Funny you should say that- I am waiting for a set of wheels for my kayak now!
Def
Hub or derailleur? :D
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Funny you should say that- I am waiting for a set of wheels for my kayak now!
Def
Hub or derailleur? :D
i think we know what my answer will be ;)
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Off road... :P
(http://www.beachcarts4shore.com/index_new_files/CKT-2_400.jpg)
Def
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Off road... :P
(http://www.beachcarts4shore.com/index_new_files/CKT-2_400.jpg)
Def
Is this gona be your new must have kayak accessory? :)
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Heck yeah- you try carrying a 70 pound, 17 foot kayak on your shoulder! And that's not including the gear you need- PFD, paddles, emergency kit, not to mention significantly more than that if I ever go out for more than an hour or two! I'll be picking it up tomorrow most likely. The little carriage folds up and fits in one of the storage compartments so if I ever have to portage (which I will, at least around the locks on the canal) I will have it with me, ready to go.
Def
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Heck yeah- you try carrying a 70 pound, 17 foot kayak on your shoulder! And that's not including the gear you need- PFD, paddles, emergency kit, not to mention significantly more than that if I ever go out for more than an hour or two! I'll be picking it up tomorrow most likely. The little carriage folds up and fits in one of the storage compartments so if I ever have to portage (which I will, at least around the locks on the canal) I will have it with me, ready to go.
Def
beats the hell out of knackering your knee,s and back!
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One day after a particularly long paddle I swear my legs were going to give out under me as I tried to carry the darned thing home. I'd honestly considered leaving the boat in someone's yard and coming back for it after a nap!
Folks don't realize that there's a lot of leg work in a kayak. For most of the trip, your knees and feet are tensed against the sides and footrests, otherwise when you paddle you'd turn in the boat, then turn the boat. It doesn't seem like much, but try pressing your legs against the arms of your chair for any length of time and you'll see what I mean!
Def
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One day after a particularly long paddle I swear my legs were going to give out under me as I tried to carry the darned thing home. I'd honestly considered leaving the boat in someone's yard and coming back for it after a nap!
Folks don't realize that there's a lot of leg work in a kayak. For most of the trip, your knees and feet are tensed against the sides and footrests, otherwise when you paddle you'd turn in the boat, then turn the boat. It doesn't seem like much, but try pressing your legs against the arms of your chair for any length of time and you'll see what I mean!
Def
I can well imagine!
I did do some canoeing in my teens, and yeah my legs were well and trully rubbery trying to climb the steep banks ;D
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Being Canadian, I have spent many hours in a canoe, and let me tell you, the kayak is much worse! Plus, with a canoe you usually have someone else to help you carry everything!
Def
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Being Canadian, I have spent many hours in a canoe, and let me tell you, the kayak is much worse! Plus, with a canoe you usually have someone else to help you carry everything!
Def
People were always reluctante to help me on account of all the splash and capsizing I did to other canoeists ::)
But i had fun :D
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My rules are, if you don't want to get bit, don't play with dogs, and if you don't want to get wet, don't go near the water! :twak:
If you are in any of those situations, then you accept the consequences. And if you don't, well then you will learn quickly! Seems pretty simple to me, but some folks need a few lessons before figuring it out!
Def
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After reading all that,I think I'll stick with white water rafting.The outfitter does all the grunt work,all I have to do is paddle and hang on for dear life.
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I love white water rafting... you don't worry so much when you hit a rock because the front end of your boat doesn't shatter and splinter then start taking on water!
Plus you have six other people to blame when something goes wrong!
Def
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Def,you need to come down to my corner of the world. I'm only a couple hours from world class rafting on the New and Gauley Rivers. Rafting on the New,has the added benefit of going through the New River Gorge.
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I'm on my way!
My wife wanted to go tidal bore rafting until she saw it done...
Def
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I'm on my way!
My wife wanted to go tidal bore rafting until she saw it done...
Def
Sorry for being dence but whats tidal bore rafting ???
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It's like whitewater rafting, but instead of a river, you go out into inlets where the tides cause nasty swells and whitecaps. It is apparently mostly a Nova Scotia thing- I didn't realize that.
http://www.lulu.tv/?p=4537
I knew we had some of the highest tides in the world, but I didn't realize we were the only ones in the world with a sport dedicated to them!
Def
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It's like whitewater rafting, but instead of a river, you go out into inlets where the tides cause nasty swells and whitecaps. It is apparently mostly a Nova Scotia thing- I didn't realize that.
http://www.lulu.tv/?p=4537
I knew we had some of the highest tides in the world, but I didn't realize we were the only ones in the world with a sport dedicated to them!
Def
Nut jobs the lot of em!
where do i sign up ;D
Seriously though it looks like your body takes a serious pounding in those waves :o
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Yeah... and the water is DIRTY!
Some of the tides in this area are phenomenal. Places where you walked an hour before can be under 6 feet of water within an hour, creating those violent waves which rip the sand and small rocks from the bottom.
http://www.thehopewellrocks.ca/english/fundytides.htm
Those giant rocks become tiny islands in just a few short hours.
Def
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Yeah... and the water is DIRTY!
Some of the tides in this area are phenomenal. Places where you walked an hour before can be under 6 feet of water within an hour, creating those violent waves which rip the sand and small rocks from the bottom.
http://www.thehopewellrocks.ca/english/fundytides.htm
Those giant rocks become tiny islands in just a few short hours.
Def
there's a tidal power station thats the biggest and best of it's kind somewhere in canada, but I can't remember what it's called ::)
Just watching the difference of high and low tide is just amazing (i think it was almost 20ft!) and how the equipment stands up to the battering of the sea is just increadable!
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Without getting into a hippie tree hugging, anti nuclear discussion, it's amazing that we are still burning fossil fuels for energy when there is so much of it around. One of the reasons I want to move out of the city and onto a few acres of land (still quite affordable in my area) is so that I can set up a decent sized solar field, a windmill and maybe even a small waterwheel. Free energy is everywhere, and some days I find it hard to believe that we are still dependent on petroleum. Even if we left petroleum for cars and trucks (because lets face it, a real, viable alternative for that hasn't been found) I'd bet that tidal, wind, hydro electrical and solar could power most other things, especially if folks had the decency to leave their incandescent lightbulbs behind and switch to LED or fluorescent.
Def
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There's a good amount of untapped hydro power in Appalachia,but big coal has it's hooks in pretty deep.Tidal bore rafting...that's like the Maritimes equvalent of surfing!
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We also boast some of the world's best surfing (supposedly), so I think surfing is the Maritimes' equivalent of surfing! Tidal Bore Rafting is our equivalent of getting drunk and seeing how fast we can wreck a boat! :cheers:
Def
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Drinking and boat wrecking is the provenance of jet ski and bass boat owners here >:(
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Jet skis are Mother Nature's way of saying "You're too dumb to live anymore." It's too bad too- they are great fun, and fantastic little watercraft, if only they could come up with a way of getting rid of most of the idiots who drive them while keeping the machine intact!
Def
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Good point...
Although for something like that the only thing I can see being really useful is an old Lada Cossack!
(http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/pastmasters/lada/images/lada_heading.jpg)
Def
am I the only one who thinks they've a certain charm?
hmm now thats a real beater for off road car,most of the crap they sell here and there are useless in woods,with all their alloy wheels,chromes,leatherseats et,all irrelevant in trail filled with bogs,mud,roots,etc.
its original name is lada niva,here mp´s use it widely,it has continuous four wheel drive,good gearbox,really easy t maintain and fix,good set of sturdy tools with it and it doesnt mind if it gets soaked abit since the interior is protected against mildew too,and has good holes in floor for draining,distributor cap is sealed against wet etc little good points.
and the price is good here too.if u are lookin for some offroader instead of some bling bling humWee :D
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The Niva was the base model Cossack- they were the same truck but the Cossack had some fancier stuff, like windows and seats! :P Seriously, the Niva didn't have a roof rack, and I'm sure there were some other differences.
All in all, it's in my top three for off road vehicles, the other two being a Jeep and a Land Rover Defender!
Def
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Good point...
Although for something like that the only thing I can see being really useful is an old Lada Cossack!
(http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/pastmasters/lada/images/lada_heading.jpg)
Def
Reminds me of that joke " Why do Lada's have heated rear windows ? Too keep your hands warm while you push them. " :D
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I dunno, I'd take one- in fact, I was looking for one when I got my Jeep as they are just as tough and much cheaper!
Don't believe me? here's one on the bottom of a lake:
Swimming Lada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4kWYvH0_oY)
Def
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I did not know Lada made submarines :o I wonder how they stopped water getting into the electrickery , gearbox & motor :think: :think: :think:. The two snorkels 1=exhaust, 2=engine air intake . Still do not know how they did it?
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The pipes were a trick- didn't you see the guy's feet underneath like Fred Flintstone? :D
Def
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I dunno, I'd take one- in fact, I was looking for one when I got my Jeep as they are just as tough and much cheaper!
Don't believe me? here's one on the bottom of a lake:
Swimming Lada (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4kWYvH0_oY)
Def
I prefered this Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDhhz7PqRXQ&feature=related not sure why ??? :drool:
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Yeah, I liked that one too!
Def
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Yeah, I liked that one too!
Def
:salute:
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Yeah, I liked that one too!
Def
:salute:
Can't think why but I am quite fond of it too but I have always been a lada fan honest :D
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Me too, but I like simply, no fuss engineering :)
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Me too, but I like simply, no fuss engineering :)
Like the supertool :pok: :D
Sorry couldn't resist. :P
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Me too, but I like simply, no fuss engineering :)
Like the supertool :pok: :D
Sorry couldn't resist. :P
:twak:
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Me too, but I like simply, no fuss engineering :)
Like the supertool :pok: :D
Sorry couldn't resist. :P
:twak:
Rise above the provocation
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Yeah, I liked that one too!
Def
:salute:
Can't think why but I am quite fond of it too but I have always been a lada fan honest :D
Sure did make mud look appealing :D You young'ns won't remember this,but back in the '60s VW ran a tv ad touting the water-tightness of the Beetle.The ad showed a Beetle floating down a stream.