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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: Shambopyro on February 04, 2014, 12:39:10 PM
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Usually victorinox knives of the same tool layer count and size cost around the same price, whereas the cybertool line costs double or more than knives of the same tool layer count. Like the super tinker costs about $30, and a cybertool 29 costs about $60. What gives? Is a little bit driver that much more expensive to make?
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I'm sure there are several factors, the bits are likely the biggest manufacturing cost difference since they come from a 3rd-party.
I will say though, I got a super deal on a Super Tinker once... now i'm in the poor house with a pile of SAKs... of course a couple small Alox knives were partially responsible for me even looking at the ST in the first place.
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Because they're worth it. :pok:
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:pok: :pok:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4481small.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/IMG_4481small.jpg.html)
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All the blades (tools) are hammered out of a sheet of steel. Which is the norm, but I don't believe this to be the case with the bit driver.
I'm not sure if it's even the same steel. Mine has oxidation and the oxidation on the blade and bit driver are't consistent. But then again I'm not really sure.
The bits alone will run you about $15 for a replacement set.
Higher manufacturing cost, multiple pieces, other factors which I probably don't know about... = more money.
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:pok: :pok:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4481small.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/IMG_4481small.jpg.html)
Chako, looks like you are missing a bit
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Usually victorinox knives of the same tool layer count and size cost around the same price, whereas the cybertool line costs double or more than knives of the same tool layer count. Like the super tinker costs about $30, and a cybertool 29 costs about $60.
While that is the case with the Super Tinker vs. the CT29, that is not the case when you compare the larger models. A Swisschamp and a CT41 are not that far apart in price.
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:pok: :pok:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4481small.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/IMG_4481small.jpg.html)
Well, there's no doubt, this "is" the swiss army formation :salute:
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:pok: :pok:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4481small.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/IMG_4481small.jpg.html)
Looks like an armoured column getting ready to invade!
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This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
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This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
Man I thought I was bad with two.
Swiss Army knives .
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Wow that is or was a nice collection! :tu:
This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
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This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
WTF... :whistle:
"You know you've got a multitool problem if........"
I don't really need to spell it out do I?? :pok: :pok:
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Nice pic :cheers: But at $60 a pop, that's a rather expensive collection!
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Awesome pic GigaHz!
I think they recently changed to a different kind of allow for the bit driver. It now has a more gray color.
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(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
Awesome :tu:
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:pok: :pok:
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/IMG_4481small.jpg) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Chako_photo/media/IMG_4481small.jpg.html)
Looks like an armoured column getting ready to invade!
That's artillery for sure. M110 Self Propelled 8" Howitzer battery, that's it.
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This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
Man I thought I was bad with two.
Swiss Army knives .
:rofl: :tu: :tu:
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Awsome pic, GigaHz. :tu: And a few of those are mods too. It's a shame Vic doesn't offer more SAKs in differnt configurations with the bit driver. The 5th from the right, 2nd row from the top is my favorite. ;) Your first mod right?
Awesome pic GigaHz!
I think they recently changed to a different kind of allow for the bit driver. It now has a more gray color.
Yeah, this summer I believe during the Dash4it shopping craze. GigaHz noticed it first. The newer is lighter in color.
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Usually victorinox knives of the same tool layer count and size cost around the same price, whereas the cybertool line costs double or more than knives of the same tool layer count. Like the super tinker costs about $30, and a cybertool 29 costs about $60. What gives? Is a little bit driver that much more expensive to make?
Guys
I have nowhere near the experience of some of you - But one further thought on this....
I do remember reading that the smaller Vics are all assembled 100% automatically.
Obviously QA (and sharpening??) is by hand.
However the larger Vics (SwissChamp + bigger??) are hand assembled.
My guess is that the CTs with the bit holder etc have to be hand made.
Labour in Ibach is very (very) expensive
Also as mentioned above there is a different manufacturing process for the tool itself.
So ..... (More expensive parts) + (Way higher labour) = Much higher price??
Then when you add in the CT 'coolfactor' and 'Coz they're worth it' !! :whistle:
PS. @ Gigahz - That collection is nuts !!
It's bigger than my whole collection and I thought I 'had a multitool problem'.
Is that just your CTs? And do you have a pile of others too?
Not sure I even want to know the answer!!
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Yeah, this summer I believe during the Dash4it shopping craze. GigaHz noticed it first. The newer is lighter in color.
I thought I did (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21658.msg798572#msg798572) :whistle:
But who's counting...
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I am, that's who! :D
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Yeah, this summer I believe during the Dash4it shopping craze. GigaHz noticed it first. The newer is lighter in color.
I thought I did (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21658.msg798572#msg798572) :whistle:
But who's counting...
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I am, that's who! :D
Yup Reinier was first. I just took the pictures.
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Which means my Swiss Points count is once again above zero :P
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Yeah, this summer I believe during the Dash4it shopping craze. GigaHz noticed it first. The newer is lighter in color.
I thought I did (http://forum.multitool.or...21658.msg798572#msg798572 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=21658.msg798572#msg798572)) :whistle:
But who's counting...
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I am, that's who! :D
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Sorry, my good sir, I hope you'll be able to forgive me at some point. :cry:
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Well GigaHz posted the first pics in response to your question and I'm more of a visual guy, if that's a good enough excuse. :whistle:
I remember the pictures best. ;)
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Well I'm always too lazy to take pics :)
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Well I'm always too lazy to take pics :)
I think you posted quite a few if I can recognize them by the backdrop. ;)
But yes, more pics is always better. :whistle:
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That is correct detron. I lost it myself...and could never find it in the grass.
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If it is still there at the flea market this weekend, I am planning on getting a Blue translucent Cybertool for $15. It had a pen too
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You left it there the first time? :ahhh :o :ahhh
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WOW! I thought I was rather fond of Cybertools. :drool: :drool:
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You left it there the first time? :ahhh :o :ahhh
you are making me lose hope that it is still there :ahhh
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This picture was before I started downsizing. I think the driver is handmade. I had 3 of them side by side on a brass rod in the open position and all 3 were open at different angles. I can't believe they were all bent. I thought they were stamped out, but now i don't know. Unless there is 3 different types? Like the 2 types of bit holders.
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/cybertoolsmost001_zpscf4225cf.jpg.html)
Tsk! Tsk! I at least spread my insanity around a bit. :facepalm:
Nice collection BTW! :cheers:
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Those are some really great picture GigaHz and Chako :tu:
@Luna I sure hope its still there and at that price.
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I have noticed the price difference between the Champs and the Cybertools also. The 29 isn't too bad, but the 34 and 41 are quite a bit more expensive here in Aus land.
If any member has a 34 or 41 they'd like to sell please let me know- I'm not having much luck on Ebay.
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I think GigaHz has a few spare ???
Seriously tools are expensive in Oz eh?
I try various webshops in the UK, US and Europe - But it is pot luck whether they will ship to Oz.
I bought a Cybertool Lite from Amazon in the UK at a great price - £44 - Its list price was more, but they dropped the tax - Hoorah - However Amazon uk does not seem to ship knives to Oz anymore >:( - nor does amazon.com.
Good Luck
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I think GigaHz has a few spare ???
Seriously tools are expensive in Oz eh?
I try various webshops in the UK, US and Europe - But it is pot luck whether they will ship to Oz.
I bought a Cybertool Lite from Amazon in the UK at a great price - £44 - Its list price was more, but they dropped the tax - Hoorah - However Amazon uk does not seem to ship knives to Oz anymore >:( - nor does amazon.com.
Good Luck
Yeah, good old 'Australia Tax' at work unfortunately. I get all of my Leatherman stuff from USA. I mean, I don't mind paying and extra 10% or whatever and buying local, but I see prices like $280AUD for a Wave at my local shops...well the choice isn't a hard one.
And yes, have tried both Amazons, its a shame they just have a blanket 'no knives to Oz' rule, when in reality as long as it isn't OHO it is fine.
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A used CT34 in nice shape usually goes for $45 here. Shipping to AUS was $20 last time I shipped to there. I would think you could do better on the AUS eBay?
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A used CT34 in nice shape usually goes for $45 here. Shipping to AUS was $20 last time I shipped to there. I would think you could do better on the AUS eBay?
You'd think so, but cybertools don't seem to be that common locally. Am keeping my eyes peeled for one...
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A used CT34 in nice shape usually goes for $45 here. Shipping to AUS was $20 last time I shipped to there. I would think you could do better on the AUS eBay?
You'd think so, but cybertools don't seem to be that common locally. Am keeping my eyes peeled for one...
They come up occasionally. There were two late last year. I got a CT34 in near perfect condition with the leather sheath for $50 including postage just after Christmas. At the same time there was a blue CT40 that didn't sell the first time for around $48 including postage, it sold just after that for not much more. Neither were listed as Cybertools, just Swiss Army Knives. If I see another one on there I'll try to remember to shoot you a PM.
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A used CT34 in nice shape usually goes for $45 here. Shipping to AUS was $20 last time I shipped to there. I would think you could do better on the AUS eBay?
You'd think so, but cybertools don't seem to be that common locally. Am keeping my eyes peeled for one...
They come up occasionally. There were two late last year. I got a CT34 in near perfect condition with the leather sheath for $50 including postage just after Christmas. At the same time there was a blue CT40 that didn't sell the first time for around $48 including postage, it sold just after that for not much more. Neither were listed as Cybertools, just Swiss Army Knives. If I see another one on there I'll try to remember to shoot you a PM.
Much appreciated. Yes, I'm noticing that searching for 'swiss army knives' tends to net more gems than other search terms
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What cybertool has no scizzors or pliers? Just the driver, bit rack and plus scales. Kind of like a spartan plus with a driver added.
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CT 29?
Mod?
(http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll211/gigahzfemtohz/mod033_zps4545fbed.jpg) (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/gigahzfemtohz/media/mod033_zps4545fbed.jpg.html)
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What cybertool has no scizzors or pliers? Just the driver, bit rack and plus scales. Kind of like a spartan plus with a driver added.
Sounds like the CT 29! :)