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Non Tool Forum => The Break Room => Topic started by: Grant Lamontagne on November 25, 2008, 02:24:24 AM
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My boss sent me a text message about a month ago to see what I thought, since he and his 8 year old son had reached an impasse. His theory was that Starfleet Engineers could beam aboard the Death Star and blow it up from the inside, or that the greater speed and maneuverability of the Enterprise would allow it to win.
His son said, and I tend to agree, that one shot from the main gun on the Death Star would obliterate the Enterprise, and that no one on the Death Star would even feel the bump. Starfleet engineers are pretty well useless against a thousand stormtroopers filling a hallway with hard light, and with numerous bays stocked with thousands of TIE fighters, I really don't see the Enterprise even getting close.
Since the Star Trek thread brought many of the geeks out of the closet, I thought I'd see what everyone here had to say!
Def
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They don't call it the "Death Star" for nothing. It gets my vote. :tu:
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Yeah but if Skywalker can drop a 'bomb" in a ventalation shaft no bigger than 2 meters Capt. Kirk could do it 8)
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Kirk doesn't have the Force to guide him... and I doubt you'd get the Enterprise into the trench on the Death Star!
Def
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I doubt that Capt. Kirk would have the "Force" with him. Anyways at least not the kind of force he would need to defeat Darth Vader and the Death Star. :D
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Come on Kirk has got an inside girl. she drops the sheilds he slips in un noticed blamo. Or they pick up a klingon ship use the cloaking device and knock the force right out of them. Yes I know they would have to uncloak before firing but by that time its to late
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Lots of gun towers on the surface of the Death Star....
And I think a green chick would be noticed on the Death Star!
Def
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Come on Kirk has got an inside girl. she drops the sheilds he slips in un noticed blamo. Or they pick up a klingon ship use the cloaking device and knock the force right out of them. Yes I know they would have to uncloak before firing but by that time its to late
I do not remember seeing any females on the Death Star other than the Princess. Somehow I feel Darth Vader has gotten past the point of needing female companionship. Now there might be some stormtroopers that need that kind of entertainment. Anybody ever hear this short mp3 about stormtroopers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOnTtsL-tCM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOnTtsL-tCM)
I have this in .mp3 for a long time now but here is a youtube version. :rofl:
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All the women were in the kitchen
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Death Star...I'll compare it to a battleship versus a PT boat.
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:rofl: . I think we need to look at the facts guys ::) :D :D. X2 Death Stars X2 mass space junk . How many times has the Enterprise been obliterated ( I know a few ::) :D ) ? The Enterprise was designed by Leatherman , Victorinox & some consultancy from SOG :D :D. The Death Star designed by Gerber on a bad day, looks impressive= think Suspension & Flik , but so many design flaws . The Enterprise's service history countless victories , Death Star was it one planet ? = no contest Star Fleet has the runs on the board.I feel like a right geek now :D :D :D
This reminds me , was it the original Clerks movie that the main characters discussed the morality of blowing up the partially completed Death Star.The issue being the Empire to complete the project would have had to use innocent independent contractors/tradesmen , just trying to make a living. Very funny. :D :D
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Why are you guys even debating this? The issue has already been settled:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNxhrPaaCA4
(Very well done video I might add) :tu:
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Cookies rock
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I went with the Enterprise... Those photon torpedoes could get things cooking. :D By the way, did the Death Star have shields?
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Death star no question. Comparing the two is like saying who would win a fight, a cat or a tiger. :D
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I went with the Enterprise... Those photon torpedoes could get things cooking. :D By the way, did the Death Star have shields?
Yeah Death Star had shields but for some reason it kept getting blown up.
I go with Yoda yeah I think that should have been an option :D
but I did vote for the Enterprise
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It depends on which side has Mike Ditka.
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Don't forget starfleet went up against the borg and their cubes and beat them, the puny death star is no challenge. :twak:
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Death star WILL win. :tu:
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Deathstar no question, as despite the power of the Enterprise (what one A,B,C,D,E?) it would never get close enough to cause any major damage, and as for beeming across, well Stormtrooper's may suck as soldiers (they really do) but they'd have weight of numbers on there side.
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Enterprise! They'd find a way! :D
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they can always just beam a torpedo into the right place and BOOM no more death star :twak:
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IMO the Death Star is like one of them "super guns" the germans used during the war, a very good punch but poor maneuverability
and easy target.
The Enterprise has powerful shields (which stopped the romulans super weapon by backing up ::) ) and uses warp drive for battle
maneuvers. All Kirk would have to do is stay outta the way of the main gun on the D.S. and slowly chip away to the chewy center!
and don't forget the Tribble factor, Kirk could beam some over and all you'd have is one great big "headless" hamster ball, rolling
around the galaxy! :D
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IMOHO, the Federation can destroy the deathstar but the Empire would conquer the Federation. One thing the Federation don't have is a strong army which the Empire have with their storm troopers and don't forget Darth Vader.
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Logically (yeh I know maybe not the best thing to apply) the Enterprise hasn't a chance. The weakness in the Death Star's defence is in small fighters not larger craft. The Death Star destroys several rebel ships at the end of Return of the Jedi. If the Death Star's main gun can destroy planets what chance has the Enterprises' shields? They seem to fall down if a Ferengi farts in the wrong direction. ;)
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If the Death Star's main gun can destroy planets what chance has the Enterprises' shields? They seem to fall down if a Ferengi farts in the wrong direction. ;)
Yes the Death Star's main gun is awesome, but you have the big trouble of getting it to point in the right direction. A Death Star isn't the most maneuverable piece of equipment!! The Enterprise could quite easily stay out of the line of fire. However you do have the problem of the mound of Tie Fighters and point defence weapons :ahhh Assuming they could penetrate the Enterprises sheilds it would be bye bye Enterprise! But if it was just the Enterprise against the main gun of the Death Star the Enterprise would win hands down 8)
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And even though the Death Star might have Darth Vader, don't forget that the Enterprise can always "remodulate the frequency" or "reverse the polarity" and save the day!! :ahhh
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With James Tiberius Kirk at the helm the Enterprise can achieve ANYTHING :salute:
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Enterprise all the way!!! The Empire is nothing butt brut force and sending massive amounts of troops dead on. Can compare their tactics you used during 18th & 19th century, you know, the armies stands face to face and shoot at each otter till someone looses.
Enterprise and Federation/Starfleet on the other hand is smart and cunning. They use there brains and have captains that is not afraid that an admiral will kill them if they FUBAR, hey, lets just face it, Kirk aren’t afraid of no one.
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Death star. ;)
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If the Death Star's main gun can destroy planets what chance has the Enterprises' shields?
Even the old Enterprise has faced planet killers several times, and won; "Dooms Day Machine" (planet eating cornucopia) and "Balance of Terror" (first time they see the Romulan's new toy), not counting the B,C,D,E ships! :twak:
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Well the question is "Could the Enterprise destroy the Death Star?" Possibly, however, they may possibly be destroyed too. Does the Enterprise even have defenses against the hordes of Tie Fighters, Bombers and Interceptors that would be involved too?
Of course this begs the bigger question, what happens in a war between the Federation and the Galactic Empire.
Let's think about this.
The REAL power of the Empire is in its Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers, the Death Star is primarily a terror weapon. There's no way in hell a Federation star ship could even come close to even hurting a run of the mill Star Destroyer. It's slower, has less guns, is almost 1/3 the size and carries no small one man fighting ships. And the Empire has tens of thousands of them. They have more warships than the Federation has planets.
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OK, so here is an interesting scenario;
A Star Destroyer is more than five times longer than Kirk's Enterprise (and two-and-a-half times longer than Picard's Enterprise). So if size is anything to go by, the Enterprise stands little chance in a frontal assault.
However, the Federation has more advanced technology in some respects-- notably, transporter technology-- and if the Enterprise crew can draw upon their much more extensive mission experience, the situation is much more hopeful. For example: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy inject themselves with hefty doses of kironide, the chemical that gives psychokinetic powers (Plato's Stepchildren), then transport directly to the bridge of the Star Destroyer to confront Darth Vader on an equal telekinetic footing. They stun Vader with phasers set on wide dispersion (so he can't block them with his light saber), then take him back to the Enterprise. Before he wakes up they use the transporter to split Vader into his good and evil halves (The Enemy Within). The evil Vader is kept under sedation while the good one tells them everything they need to know to overthrow the Empire. Then the Enterprise uses a slingshot orbit around the nearest sun in order to go back in time (The Voyage Home, et al.) and prevent the fall of the Old Republic. The End.
Taken from here;
http://rjmason.com/ramblings/starTrekVsStarWars.html (http://rjmason.com/ramblings/starTrekVsStarWars.html)
I still think Vader would death strangle Kirk while on screen. :tu:
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Nice scenario but highly dependent on luck. 20000 Star Destroyers overwhelming Federation Space is a lot less dependent on luck.
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I repeat for those that obviously did not hear me: :twak:
ahem...cough cough...
"With James Tiberius Kirk at the helm the Enterprise can achieve ANYTHING :salute:"
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the Death Star was made as a "fear weapon" not a true battleship.
also the Empire is a space bully, only going after weak, unsuspecting,
antiquated opponents.
while the Federation has battled countless war hungry foes,
in many dimensions, time zones, and often vastly superior!
(http://i37.tinypic.com/27y3e3d.jpg)
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SCENE: Space
The Enterprise sits stationary in space.
The Death Star dwarfs the small vessel.
SCENE: Enterprise Bridge
Spock: "The object appears to be a man-made construct.
It is roughly the size of a small moon.
They do have some primitive technology."
Kirk: "We should beam over and investigate.
Sulu: "What about the prime directive, Captain?"
Kirk: "The what?"
Sulu (under breath): "Idiot."
Kirk: "Ok, all of you bridge crew... except you Uhura...
get ready to beam over."
Uhura (under breath): "Chauvinist pig."
On the way to the transporter room, Kirk stops off at the RedShirt
holding pen and selects one unlucky RedShirt to accompany the brigde
crew onto the small metal planetoid.
SCENE: Death Star Hallway
Six forms materialize. Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Mr. Sulu, Mr. Chekov,
Bones and the RedShirt appear, phasers out and ready. Closeup on Redshirt's
face reveals beads of sweat on his forehead. Eight Stormtroopers round
the corner.
ST#1: "There are the intruders. Blast 'em!"
All eight Stormtroopers open fire. All eight hit the RedShirt.
The Enterprise's bridge crew return fire, obliterating the Stormtroopers.
Kirk: "That wasn't so tough. My shirt didn't even get ripped."
Bones (kneeling over RedShirt's body): "He's dead, Jim."
Kirk: "Who?"
Bones: "Ensign... whatsizname? The RedShirt."
Kirk: "Oh! Him! Yeah, well... we have more."
A doorway at the end of the hall slides open. The omnimous form of
Darth Vader fills the doorway. He is flanked by two Stormtroopers.
Kirk (to crew): "Oh good! Another bad guy!"
Kirk (to Vader): "We come in peace!"
Kirk (to crew): "Phasers on kill!"
The Enterprise's bridge crew open fire, concentrating on Vader.
Vader raises his hand and dissipates the energy of the phaser beams.
Spock: "Our phasers seem to have no effect on him, Captain."
Kirk: "We'll just have to take him out in hand to hand. Use your nerve pinch."
Spock advances on Vader, makes it about three feet then turns to Kirk.
Spock (strained voice): "Captain, I am experiencing a bizarre lack of oxygen.
I believe this entity is..."
Spock keels over. Kirk has one of his infamous melodramatic moments,
yelling something unintelligible. Kirk charges Vader. There is a
brilliant red-white flash visual effect accompanied by a snap-hiss sound effect.
Kirk falls down, in two entirely separate directions, then dissolves.
His shirt is ripped, but it's too late to save him. Closeup on each of
the Enterprise's bridge crew exchanging amazed looks.
(Sulu doesn't look entirely displeased.)
Sulu (into communicator): "Scotty, beam us up!"
Sulu (to no-one in particular): "I've always wanted to say that."
The remaining bridge crew dematerialize. Vader kicks Kirks clothes on his
way back to the Death Star's command room.
SCENE: Enterprise Bridge
The bridge crew race to their positions. Sulu assumes command and sits
in the comfy chair.
SCENE: Death Star Command Room
Grand Moff Tarkin stands looking thoughtfully at a large display screen.
Vader stands nearby.
Tarkin (to DS gunnery crew): "You may fire when ready."
Gunnery crew members start pulling levers and pushing buttons.
SCENE: Enterprise bridge
Chekov: "They zeem to be powering up zome zort of energy veapon!"
SCENE: Death Star Innards
Two precariously placed, unlucky DS crew members cower as a brilliant
beam of energy streaks past them down a long tunnel.
SCENE: Enterprise bridge
Sulu (yelling): "SHIELDS!"
SCENE: Space
Several small beams of energy fuse into one really big one. The beam
strikes the Enterprise. Nifty explosion visual effect.
SCENE: DS Command Center
Tarkin <to Vader>: "Well that wasn't so tough."
Vader: "We lost eight Stormtroopers."
Tarkin: "Well, we have more."
FADE OUT.
This is funny.....................
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:rofl: :rofl: fantastic Sir! :salute:
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"With James Tiberius Kirk at the helm the Enterprise can achieve ANYTHING
Pfft. What's he gonna do, screw Darth Vader to death?
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And here is the number one reason why the Empire would win;
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SSxWYjBW12I/AAAAAAAACaA/zRO-m1B7i5U/s800/StarTrek-Data-Windows%20crash.gif) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f1U2vRiQJ8RWIuFK836M2Q)
:crash:
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And here is the number one reason why the Empire would win;
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SSxWYjBW12I/AAAAAAAACaA/zRO-m1B7i5U/s800/StarTrek-Data-Windows%20crash.gif) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/f1U2vRiQJ8RWIuFK836M2Q)
:crash:
Dud...................We all know that they use Linux
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For some reason I could not vote but I got to go with the Deathstar. It really is just a badass piece of kit, plus they allways have cool gismos on it. Comeon what does kirk have Tribbles.
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:think: :think: :think: :think:
Correct me if I'm wrong , but wasn't the "Borg Cube" the same size as the death Star?
And the Enterprise took 2 cubes??
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Yah but Star Trek is fake, and Star wars is real!!!
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He got tribbles from the green chick, but Bones says he has a cream for that....
In this scenario:
However, the Federation has more advanced technology in some respects-- notably, transporter technology-- and if the Enterprise crew can draw upon their much more extensive mission experience, the situation is much more hopeful. For example: Kirk, Spock, and McCoy inject themselves with hefty doses of kironide, the chemical that gives psychokinetic powers (Plato's Stepchildren), then transport directly to the bridge of the Star Destroyer to confront Darth Vader on an equal telekinetic footing. They stun Vader with phasers set on wide dispersion (so he can't block them with his light saber), then take him back to the Enterprise. Before he wakes up they use the transporter to split Vader into his good and evil halves (The Enemy Within). The evil Vader is kept under sedation while the good one tells them everything they need to know to overthrow the Empire. Then the Enterprise uses a slingshot orbit around the nearest sun in order to go back in time (The Voyage Home, et al.) and prevent the fall of the Old Republic. The End.
Vader can absorb incoming energy... I doubt he'd need to try and catch the beams on his lightsaber. And, Luke managed to hold off numerous beams from different sources on Jabba's sail barge, so there's no reason to believe that if Vader wanted lightsaber practice he couldn't have managed it too.
I think that head to head the Enterprise guys make a good point- the Death Star's shortcomings could be overwhelmed by the superior speed and maneuverability of the Enterprise. However, the Death Star isn't dependent on it's main guns, it also has many smaller fixed turbolaser towers, and many TIE fighters. The Enterprise has proven on numerous occasions that they are incapable of dealing with multiple enemies at once. They seem to have trouble with three enemy ships- imagine thousands of TIE fighters swarming them! Maybe each TIE fighter could be dispatched with a single phaser shot, I doubt the Enterprise could fire that quickly in that many directions and would be overwhelmed.
Remember, a Super Star Destroyer, a ship 5 miles long, crashed into the surface of the second Death Star and didn't destroy it. I doubt the Enterprise could muster up that much firepower.
Def
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Yah but the Death star has a bunch of guys and teams manning the guns, where as the Enerprise only has one guy.
Holy crap we are all geeks!!!!!!!
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Yah but the Death star has a bunch of guys and teams manning the guns, where as the Enerprise only has one guy.
Holy crap we are all geeks!!!!!!!
I am soooooooooooooooo glad someone else said that!!! :D :D
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Ya know ben here we all are manly guys. Cops Truckdrivers bikers, longshoremen and factory workers debating the Si Fi world. We are tools.
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From Wikipedia:
Photon torpedoes
Photon torpedoes are a standard ship-based weapon armed with an antimatter warhead. They are present in every version of the Star Trek series and are a standard weapon on almost every Federation ship, though in Star Trek: Enterprise the titular ship uses less powerful spatial torpedoes until receiving the more powerful "photonic" (as the characters describe them) variant. Photon torpedoes first appear on a Starfleet ship in the original series' episode "Arena" as part of the USS Enterprise's armament — in the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "The Expanse", the NX-01 Enterprise first receives photon torpedoes. Smaller Starfleet craft such as shuttlecraft and Runabouts can be armed with "micro-torpedoes", a scaled-down version of photon torpedoes designed for use on craft too small to accommodate the full-sized weapon.
When fired, photon torpedoes usually appear as a spiky ball of energy of varying colors, such as red,[17] orange,[18] yellow, blue, or green.[19] The energy output of a photon torpedo, according to the Technical Manuals is a maximum theoretical yield of 25 Isotons and a maximum rated yield of 18.5 Isotons. According to the TNG Technical Manual, photon torpedoes use 1.5kg of matter and 1.5kg of antimatter. The resulting energy output would be 2.70x1017Joules of energy (by the well-known formula E=mc2). This amount of energy release would be equivalent to a 64.4 megaton nuclear explosion.
Torpedoes are often depicted as being easy to modify to suit specific situations. Despite the stated maximum yield, torpedoes can apparently be made far more destructive with relatively little effort. In Star Trek: Voyager, Tuvok and Kim modify a normal photon torpedo with a gravimetric charge, similar to that of Borg technology, and increase its destructive yield to 54 isotons. Kim comments that 50 isotons would have been sufficient to destroy a small planet. Moments later, Janeway instructs them to increase its yield even further, to 80 isotons. It is not specified exactly how they modified the warhead, but it only requires a few hours to complete the work and uses materials readily available on Voyager. In Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Spock and Dr. McCoy modify a photon torpedo to track the plasma emissions (a futuristic version of the heat-seeking missile) from a cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey as it attacks the Enterprise and the Excelsior.
Like I said, the Star Trek folks can fix any problem with a little remodulation or polarity reversing! Say good bye Darth. :salute:
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However, the Death Star isn't dependent on it's main guns, it also has many smaller fixed turbolaser towers, and many TIE fighters. The Enterprise has proven on numerous occasions that they are incapable of dealing with multiple enemies at once. They seem to have trouble with three enemy ships- imagine thousands of TIE fighters swarming them! Maybe each TIE fighter could be dispatched with a single phaser shot, I doubt the Enterprise could fire that quickly in that many directions and would be overwhelmed.
Remember, a Super Star Destroyer, a ship 5 miles long, crashed into the surface of the second Death Star and didn't destroy it. I doubt the Enterprise could muster up that much firepower.
Def
I remember an episode where an alien race had star-ships/battle ships and they had various lasers and turbo's and the Enterprise scanned it and determined it was not a threat, that the shields could withstand it. Also the Enterprise has shuttle bays which could
house Federation fighters.
I think even George Lucas hated the Super-Star-Destroyer crashing into the Death Star and thought it was "poor"! :P
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2yl9q41.jpg)
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I'm sure the crew of the Super Star Destroyer wasn't all that thrilled with it either....
For the record, anti matter obviation is equivalent to the amount of antimatter present... which means that 4 pounds of antimatter can really only destroy 4 pounds of matter. So, unless they happen to have a planet sized lump of antimatter, I doubt it would really be much of a threat....
Def
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Maybe Kirk could call in the Starship Troopers?
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Just to make sure we're on the same frequency. Which Enterprise ??
Constitution Class NCC-1701(Christopher Pike,James T. Kirk)
Constitution/Tiho Class(modernization-refit)NCC-1701A(James T. Kirk)
Galaxy Class NCC-1701D(Jean Luc Picard)
Endeavor Class NCC-1701E(Jean Luc Picard)
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It wouldn't matter- none of them are capable of tracking/targeting and destroying thousands of targets in time. It would be like being swarmed by fire ants....
Def
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For the record, anti matter obviation is equivalent to the amount of antimatter present... which means that 4 pounds of antimatter can really only destroy 4 pounds of matter. So, unless they happen to have a planet sized lump of antimatter, I doubt it would really be much of a threat....
Yeah, but it's all the energy released during the reaction that does the destruction. E=mc2 and all that. :D
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It wouldn't matter- none of them are capable of tracking/targeting and destroying thousands of targets in time. It would be like being swarmed by fire ants....
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Apparently
"Against the sentry pods in "Conundrum", the Enterprise phaser arrays were used in a peculiar fashion. Normally, we can see the array energize at both endpoints and a beam erupt where the energy meets, but in this case the array energized and a large number of smaller beams were used. This suggests that phaser arrays may be commonly used in such a manner in the event of numerous small weak targets."
According to this page
http://www.st-v-sw.net/BoB/bobSTSWcompare.html
So they might be able to deal with the Tie's after all :think: And their range is apprently superior too so if the shields were down on the Death Star they should be able to take out the Turbolasers and Ion Cannons with out too much difficulty :think:
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Just to make sure we're on the same frequency. Which Enterprise ??
Constitution Class NCC-1701(Christopher Pike,James T. Kirk)
Constitution/Tiho Class(modernization-refit)NCC-1701A(James T. Kirk)
Galaxy Class NCC-1701D(Jean Luc Picard)
Endeavor Class NCC-1701E(Jean Luc Picard)
OH DEAR!! :D
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it's clear that Starbuck and a viper could take them all...
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it's clear that Starbuck and a viper could take them all...
Ah but which Starbuck ??? :D
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OK, how about another version? Darth Lister and crew take over the universe! :pok: :pok: :pok:
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SS2_Eaw1M4I/AAAAAAAACaw/tO9rqk0NJjI/s288/RedDwarf_ship.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/wTRTEQDqlyDvCjho2u8ULQ)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gqsDXwvKqE4/SS2_ElPr7_I/AAAAAAAACbI/UjSmVMrJepg/s400/smeg%20wars-darth%20lister.jpg) (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cMjhi3NGdWM56_wEn1bTgA)
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Now that I would watch :D :D
Especially if there was a Kochanski shower scene :drool: :drool:
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Now that I would watch :D :D
Especially if there was a Kochanski shower scene :drool: :drool:
Ah but which Kochanski? ??? :D
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Committee for the Liberation and Integration Of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation into Society
(CLITORIS)
:D :D :D :D
The boys from the Short Crimson One rule :salute:
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Now that I would watch :D :D
Especially if there was a Kochanski shower scene :drool: :drool:
Ah but which Kochanski? ??? :D
Definetly the last one :drool:
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh46/mickyd1234567/koch6.jpg)
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Noooooo! :ahhh That's the fake one! Clare Grogan may be a bit on the older side now but when I was 13 :drool:.
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Noooooo! :ahhh That's the fake one! Clare Grogan may be a bit on the older side now but when I was 13 :drool:.
Yeah she's a funny lass, quite cute really :)
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Has anyone seen the starwars spoof space balls?
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of course, in fact I have it on DVD
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Me too...
Def
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May the swarts be with you! :D
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Has anyone seen the starwars spoof space balls?
I love that film. :D
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20 vs. 15? You guys are out of you friggin mind, death star would kill enterprise just by sitting on it. :D
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I tell you who would win.
(http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/LocutusOfBorg.jpg)
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they even have one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ijDlbvAxw&fmt=18
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it depends on which enterprise you are refering to. If you had said voyager or death star I would have went with voyager. In the final episode of the series they upgraded the ship with some sort of armor shields and it could destroy borg cubes with a shot or two from the temporal displaced photon torpedoes. It would devistate the death star before it knew it was coming.
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sorta on the subject, what I want to know is, when they destroy the Death Stars, why no-one
feels a disturbance in the force, I mean many 10s of thousands (or more) are killed! :think:
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Let's ask a pro....
Worf, could the Enterprise beat the Death Star?
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Personal/warfgif.gif)
There you have it, even Worf says there's no hope in Hades for the Enterprise! :D
Def
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Between the thousands of TIE fighters and the Death Star's superlaser, Kirk would barely get a glimpse of the Death Star before he and the Enterprise are destroyed.
I feel so ashamed of myself. :(
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(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/Smilies/sFi_boxing.gif) (http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/Smilies/sFi_boxingmatch.gif) (http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p306/Smelp/Smilies/sSig_woohoo2.gif)
OOps.... I thought this was a match between Rocky and Apollo Creed! :D
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Errol Flynn or Stuart Granger?
:duel:
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The Death Star would win.
Now, if we were to talk about the Galactica and Pegasus.... :D
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Okay new observation:
If storm troopers can get on the enterprise/star-ship they'd kick butt, anyone/alien kicks butt once they get in, security sucks and the federations fighting abilities.
Star Ships (Enterprise) have superior sensors, they can see across the galaxy many times, the Empire can't see a ship around them! so the Star Ships have that tactical advantage.
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Death Star...I'll compare it to a battleship versus a PT boat.
no match the PT boat would blow it out of the water, don't mess with a PT boater's grandson :D
It would be the Enterprise D or E do any of you really think the Dath Vader is better then the Borg
Krik could beat anyone in hand to hand (think of a time when he lost by himself :think:)
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it depends on which enterprise you are refering to. If you had said voyager or death star I would have went with voyager. In the final episode of the series they upgraded the ship with some sort of armor shields and it could destroy borg cubes with a shot or two from the temporal displaced photon torpedoes. It would devistate the death star before it knew it was coming.
Voyager vs. death star is no contest, and the Delta Flyer would take care of any fighter
plus you have 7 of 9 and borg tech
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I'd luv to hear more stories about PT boats yud! and pics if ya got em!
start a new thread if you will ;)
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I'd luv to hear more stories about PT boats yud! and pics if ya got em!
start a new thread if you will ;)
here look at this
http://www.cetconnect.org/TheWar/Library.aspx?Page=3
Under "PT Boat Commander Russell Schuster" Odd wording since he was not a Commander till the 50s and retired because with the promotion came the need to buy a new hat.