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Title: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on June 02, 2007, 11:48:02 AM
Many people get confused about how many different models of Swisstools there are or didn’t realize there is more then one , so I was asked by Def to say a few words that may be of some help.

Firstly there are three versions of the large Swisstool

The Standard , which has a plain blade and a  serrated blade

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/knifepics027.jpg)

Then the X model which swaps the serrated blade for scissors

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/Copyofvictorinox_swisstool2wallpaa.jpg)

Then the RS ( Rescue & Security ) which is the same as the X but swaps the file for a curved serrated rescue blade ( belt cutter )

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/knifepics026.jpg)

CS stands for corkscrew which is just an add on corscrew which slots in the lanyard hole , and the plus which includes the little wrench .


Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on June 02, 2007, 02:59:40 PM
Good explanation Dunc. Simple as it is, I can remember being confused about the different SwissTool variations for quite some time. For some reason I kept thinking that the SwissTool CS was an entirely different model.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 02, 2007, 03:07:03 PM
Nope- it's just dressed differently! :P

Def
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: 17Chap on June 04, 2007, 05:11:09 PM
Great Post and Great Pictures. :cheers:  The X tool now serves as my background.

Question:  The chisel/crate opener on my spirit has an extra beveled cutting edge than the one on my xtool.  I find the newer Spirit tool more handy.  Do the newer Swisstools have the corner ground blade.

17Chap
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on June 04, 2007, 06:49:06 PM
Great Post and Great Pictures. :cheers:  The X tool now serves as my background.

Question:  The chisel/crate opener on my spirit has an extra beveled cutting edge than the one on my xtool.  I find the newer Spirit tool more handy.  Do the newer Swisstools have the corner ground blade.

17Chap

No sorry they dont . i agree with you that the Spirit one is quite handy .

cheers

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 05, 2007, 10:40:21 AM
Nice piccies with helpful explanations, thanks Dunc :cheers:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 06, 2007, 03:07:25 AM
All I need now are a SwissTool X and a Spirit S model and my SwissTool collection will be complete!

Not that it will stop me from getting more of them down the line!

Def
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Fred on June 06, 2007, 03:34:35 AM
you can never have enough
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 06, 2007, 03:38:14 AM
I'm sure you could, but why would you want to?

Def
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Fred on June 06, 2007, 03:39:55 AM
theres gotta be a 12 step program for this kind of thing but Im not takin it!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: martin on June 07, 2007, 09:24:11 AM
Hi All,

I'm a new member in this forum, from Denmark, I've had SAK's since late 1999, i hope i do this right i have a quistion regarding accessories for swisstools.

Currently I have a swisstool std. from 99, and a swisstool RS from last year, i'd like the RS the best because of the sissors and the rescue blade, but now to the question, I'm looking for a bit adapter for 1/4" std bits, i have seen in a article here on MT.org that the universal tool adapter from leatherman can be used with the swisstool, I allreasy know that the tool adapter can be used with std bits, but you also have the wrench or ratchet from Victorinox, can they be used with std 1/4" bits, or do i have to buy the solution from leatherman.

Sorry for my bad English.

Regards,
Martin
 :multi:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on June 07, 2007, 12:22:11 PM
Quote
Sorry for my bad English

Your English sounds fine to me!  Welcome to Multitool.org!

The wrench and ratchet from Victorinox both take standard 1/4 inch bits.  For the best price on Victorinox, contact one of our banner advertisers at felinevet@sosakonline.com and I am certain he will help you out.

Def
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 08, 2007, 10:02:31 AM
welcome to the forum mate :)

your english is fine, and you,ll get a lot of chances to practice your english here ;)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: CQC-7 on June 08, 2007, 03:26:15 PM
The only swisstool that I own is the Spirit.  I like it very very much.  Although, I would like to get one of the larger swisstools because although I love the spirit I like spearpoint blades.  I have no desire to buy the spirit "S" model because I have a spirit and would like to try somthing different.  Besides, it is a Victorinox and I know that it will not disappoint me.   
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: scibeer on March 21, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
So how about the black swiss tool?    Did it come in all those configurations or just one??
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on March 21, 2008, 05:57:25 PM
So how about the black swiss tool?    Did it come in all those configurations or just one??

The black beauty is produced only in the standard model layout.




Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on March 21, 2008, 05:58:44 PM
Recap on the SwissTool models, which differ only in the four "long" blades:

STANDARD..............plain knife........saw blade.........serrated knife.........file
SWISSTOOL X.........plain knife........saw blade.........scissors.................file
SWISSTOOL RS........plain knife........saw blade.........scissors................curved rescue blade

SWISSTOOL CS......same exact thing as the X model, but packaged with a removeable corkscrew accessory.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Styerman on March 24, 2008, 10:18:51 PM
Thank you for the thread ! Up till now I was a very confused puppy . Sadly my Swisstool was sent to Iraq , must get another ! Spirits are much easier to understand !

Chris
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 24, 2008, 10:32:59 PM
Thank you for the thread ! Up till now I was a very confused puppy . Sadly my Swisstool was sent to Iraq , must get another ! Spirits are much easier to understand !

Chris
Yep lifes a bit more straight forward with just the 2 models :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on March 31, 2008, 06:43:58 AM
 My wish:  Swisstool model with the 4 big blades: PE blade, serrated blade, file, and saw (like the standard model) but lose the scraper/crate opener and replace it with a small scissors.  Kinda like a LM Charge.  This shouldn't be too difficult or costly to build.   
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 31, 2008, 08:50:04 AM
My wish:  Swisstool model with the 4 big blades: PE blade, serrated blade, file, and saw (like the standard model) but lose the scraper/crate opener and replace it with a small scissors.  Kinda like a LM Charge.  This shouldn't be too difficult or costly to build.   
Maybe you should forward your sugestion to victorinox :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on March 31, 2008, 11:34:38 AM
My wish:  Swisstool model with the 4 big blades: PE blade, serrated blade, file, and saw (like the standard model) but lose the scraper/crate opener and replace it with a small scissors.  Kinda like a LM Charge.  This shouldn't be too difficult or costly to build.   

That crate opener is damn handy at times though.  :)  I agree though, a Swisstool combining both type of blade, the file and the scissors would be awesome.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: WhichDawg on April 13, 2008, 11:41:48 AM
one of our new members (bdws1975) showed me something today, Victorinox calls the Spirit, the Swisstool Spirit, isn't that confusing?
it's not another model of the Swisstool, but a whole different animal. Eye's confused :-\
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on April 13, 2008, 12:12:29 PM
one of our new members (bdws1975) showed me something today, Victorinox calls the Spirit, the Swisstool Spirit, isn't that confusing?
it's not another model of the Swisstool, but a whole different animal. Eye's confused :-\

I suppose the way to look at it (and this may only make sense to me  :D) is that the Spirit is a different form of the Swisstool rather than a completely new one.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on April 13, 2008, 07:48:54 PM
one of our new members (bdws1975) showed me something today, Victorinox calls the Spirit, the Swisstool Spirit, isn't that confusing?
it's not another model of the Swisstool, but a whole different animal. Eye's confused :-\

I suppose the way to look at it (and this may only make sense to me  :D) is that the Spirit is a different form of the Swisstool rather than a completely new one.

Yep thats about it . I've always known it as the Swisstool Spirit .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: scrappy on April 14, 2008, 12:27:16 AM
what are the differnet spirit models?
I bought one that was suppose to have the ratchet but when it came it didn't so I bought another. I think i have two of the same tool now.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on April 14, 2008, 12:33:24 AM
There are 2 models of Swisstool Spirit, the standard and the 'S' model.  The S doesn't have the scissors but does have a PE blade.

You can also buy a Plus model which has a wrench as well as a 'plus ratchet' model which has a ratchet included.  The Spirit is the same as the standard one though.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Rodion on June 20, 2008, 12:39:33 PM
You can also buy a Plus model which has a wrench as well as a 'plus ratchet' model which has a ratchet included.  The Spirit is the same as the standard one though.

That's one thing I don't understand about Victorinox: why go to the trouble of installing an awesome bit kit into the Cybertools, if you're still selling stone age* bit drivers?

*Work with me here.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on June 20, 2008, 06:47:29 PM
I really like the idea of the separate bit drivers.  It's rare that I need any "additions" to a tool and therefore it's handy to be able to leave some at home.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on June 21, 2008, 02:28:36 AM
You can also buy a Plus model which has a wrench as well as a 'plus ratchet' model which has a ratchet included.  The Spirit is the same as the standard one though.

That's one thing I don't understand about Victorinox: why go to the trouble of installing an awesome bit kit into the Cybertools, if you're still selling stone age* bit drivers?

*Work with me here.

I've never handled a Cybertool. What's so "stone age" about the bit drivers? ???
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Leatherman123 on June 21, 2008, 02:34:52 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't call bit drivers " stone age "! If you think about it, they can be found everywhere that sells tools and they are not expensive. The CyberTool bits are about $5-8 bucks each!  :o
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on June 21, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
The thing is if the adapter or bits attach to the tool then how can you hold something with the pliers and use a bit at the same time ? An example of this is holding a nut and using a screwdriver on the other end .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Rodion on June 21, 2008, 10:42:29 AM
You can also buy a Plus model which has a wrench as well as a 'plus ratchet' model which has a ratchet included.  The Spirit is the same as the standard one though.

That's one thing I don't understand about Victorinox: why go to the trouble of installing an awesome bit kit into the Cybertools, if you're still selling stone age* bit drivers?

*Work with me here.

I've never handled a Cybertool. What's so "stone age" about the bit drivers? ???

I meant the Spirit "Plus" driver. Cybertools are just fine.

The thing is if the adapter or bits attach to the tool then how can you hold something with the pliers and use a bit at the same time ? An example of this is holding a nut and using a screwdriver on the other end .

Dunc

Perfectly understandable. In fact, I often wish I had a Crunch with me when using my Juice's pliers to give steel wire a shape God did not intend for it. Should Leatherman sell the Crunch with every Juice, because it's handy?

The "plus" bit driver would be a joke if sold in a blister pack with the name Victorinox on it. That means they ought to come up with a bit-oriented multi, based on the Cybertool concept, and sell it separately.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on June 21, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
But why make a bit incorported MT when the bit kit and driver that is currently sold, adds a huge amount of function in the way it can be used with the Spirit, can be left at home when not needed to reduce bulk and, works damn well already?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Rodion on June 21, 2008, 03:17:32 PM
If it's so bloody handy, why not sell it separately? Call it the Victorinox Ratchet.  :multi:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on June 21, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
If it's so bloody handy, why not sell it separately? Call it the Victorinox Ratchet.  :multi:

Actually they do sell it separately.

Have you actually tried one?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Roadie on June 21, 2008, 03:22:44 PM
Tim (felinevet) gets them in occasionally if i remember rightly, give him an email and see what he says :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Rodion on June 21, 2008, 04:37:58 PM
If it's so bloody handy, why not sell it separately? Call it the Victorinox Ratchet.  :multi:

Actually they do sell it separately.

Have you actually tried one?

lol

I did not know that. Well, there goes my theory of Vic designers taking a shortcut.  :oops:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on June 21, 2008, 09:33:48 PM
That means they ought to come up with a bit-oriented multi, based on the Cybertool concept, and sell it separately.

Just wanted to chime in and say that I have always wished Vic would make a dedicated purely bit-based Cybertool or something along that lines. I think they could lock up the market if they tried.

Imagine a little bit driver tool of Vic quality that you could just throw in your pocket as a perfect compliment to any SAK or multitool you choose?  :drool:

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on June 21, 2008, 09:35:50 PM
That means they ought to come up with a bit-oriented multi, based on the Cybertool concept, and sell it separately.

Just wanted to chime in and say that I have always wished Vic would make a dedicated purely bit-based Cybertool or something along that lines. I think they could lock up the market if they tried.

Imagine a little bit driver tool of Vic quality that you could just throw in your pocket as a perfect compliment to any SAK or multitool you choose?  :drool:



You could always just buy the Vic ratchet or wrench with bit kit and carry that.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on June 21, 2008, 09:52:59 PM
You could always just buy the Vic ratchet or wrench with bit kit and carry that.

I haven't seen the ratchet kits in person. I just assumed they would be much bigger than a Cybertool with just a driver layer.

I think you would need the extension as well to get the same reach.

Do you know how they compare in size? Could the bit kit and ratchet be used for pocket carry?

I do think that a dedicated bit driver-only Vic tool would have a compactness and geek factor that would be hard to match though...  :D



Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on June 22, 2008, 03:07:25 AM
Uh, are you guys talking about the same thing?

For reference, here is a Victorinox SportRatchet knife:

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=82)


And here is the Victorinox bit driver ratchet accessory:

(http://www.equipped.com/pp/GR/vic_ratchet.jpg)


And of course, a Cybertool with its fixed bit driver:

(http://www.ebayhelp.co.il/images/victorinox-cybertool-34-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on June 22, 2008, 03:36:05 AM
Uh, are you guys talking about the same thing?

I think Benner was simply suggesting that I might consider using the ratchet kit as a dedicated bit driver solution since my fantasy Cybertool doesn't exist.

I had never heard of the SportRatchet before. I just read up on it in one of the old threads. What a neat idea! I can't believe it was as big as a Swisstool though!

It sounds like they gave up on the whole concept after the SportRatchet. That's too bad, because there are some great ideas there.

It looks more like a problem with execution, but I think they were onto something there.


Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on June 22, 2008, 03:38:34 AM
I hear ya! Seems like if they could only downsize the ratchet mechanism itself a little bit, then the whole SportRatchet concept would be appealing to more folks. As it is, the darn thing is just too big to lug around. :(
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on June 22, 2008, 10:37:08 AM

I think Benner was simply suggesting that I might consider using the ratchet kit as a dedicated bit driver solution since my fantasy Cybertool doesn't exist.


It's a good job someone round here understands me.  :D

Not quite a Vic, but I think the CRKT Get-a-way driver might be something that would interest you.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on June 22, 2008, 08:34:43 PM
Yes, that CRKT Get-a-way driver does look interesting, and at a great price too! I might just get one when they become available.

I think the Vic ratchet set with extension is a better solution though, since it holds more bits and can deal with recessed screws.

The Get-a-way does offer the tremendous advantage of cheap and plentiful bits though...  :P

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: AndyTiedye on July 22, 2008, 07:34:51 AM
My fave among the (almost) pure bit-drivers is actually a bike tool:  the Topeak "Toolbar"

(http://media.rei.com/media/697056Lrg.jpg)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on July 22, 2008, 12:31:31 PM
I like that one!

I was on Topeak's website yesterday and didn't see anything about that one.  Is it discontinued?

Def
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Agreatscot on July 26, 2008, 07:03:52 AM
That rocks, Andy! Gotta get one. Def, here is the link on their site http://www.topeak.com/products/Tools (http://www.topeak.com/products/Tools)  Andy, what about the Ratchet Rocket?

(http://www.topeak.com//mediafiles/products/1396/)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Agreatscot on July 26, 2008, 07:05:58 AM
I've gotta post more, this being a newbie so long is embarrassing!  :oops:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on July 26, 2008, 07:27:40 AM
Anyone know what that gizmo is across the top of the ratchet rocket? Do the Topeak tools accept standard bits?

My big sticking point is that I frequently deal with recessed screws. A larger Cybertool-like "lightweight folding screwdriver" seems like it would be ideal. Just a collapsible, folding, or detaching shank; a small handle; and someway to store bits would do the trick.

I love talking about bit drivers, but I always feel guilty tagging everything into this amazing Swisstool thread. Maybe we should move the discussion into the general forum?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: AndyTiedye on July 26, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
The part at the top is obviously a chain tool.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on July 26, 2008, 01:48:20 PM
Multitool.org Ratchet Rocket review: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,4908.0.html


(https://wiki.multitool.org/show_image.php?id=925)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on July 26, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
The part at the top is obviously a chain tool.

Thanks for the info. It definitely wasn't obvious to me though...  :P
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: AndyTiedye on July 26, 2008, 09:27:52 PM
I like that one!

I was on Topeak's website yesterday and didn't see anything about that one.  Is it discontinued?

Def

I don't know,  but REI has it on their website:
http://www.rei.com/product/697056

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 08, 2008, 10:11:46 PM
I'm bummed.  Emailed SAK and asked if they have any upgrades or changes to the Swisstool in the works.  They replied with a quick "nothing is planned at this time.  Thank you for contacting us."  I was hoping for something to look forward to, maybe at the next SHOT but I guess not.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on October 08, 2008, 10:13:18 PM
I hope they are still working on the plier problems..
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 09, 2008, 05:42:33 PM
I was waiting on a fix for the Swisstool file (not coarse enough) before I bought an "X" model but since they have no improvements planned and since a recession is upon us and that means cutting back on R&D costs (which even further supports a dim outlook on future upgrades), should I just buy my "X" now? 
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 09, 2008, 07:00:34 PM
I was waiting on a fix for the Swisstool file (not coarse enough) before I bought an "X" model but since they have no improvements planned and since a recession is upon us and that means cutting back on R&D costs (which even further supports a dim outlook on future upgrades), should I just buy my "X" now? 
Oh yes, and you won't regret it either :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on October 09, 2008, 07:48:33 PM
Yes get one , that file is better then you think and the saw edge on it really does cut through metal with ease.

Then get a Spirit  ( if you don't already have one ) .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 10, 2008, 08:21:05 PM
The "General" forum is discussing the use of "soft" metal by Victorinox in the Swisstool. 
1)  Is bending a common problem with the tools?
2)  Has anyone stripped a driver head?  I stripped a phillips head on a Gerber.  It went smooth after one use.
3)  Does the straight blade go dull quickly?
4)  Does the wire cutter go dull quickly?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on October 10, 2008, 08:50:57 PM
The "General" forum is discussing the use of "soft" metal by Victorinox in the Swisstool. 
1)  Is bending a common problem with the tools?
2)  Has anyone stripped a driver head?  I stripped a phillips head on a Gerber.  It went smooth after one use.
3)  Does the straight blade go dull quickly?
4)  Does the wire cutter go dull quickly?

I know a little about swisstools so I will try and help

1) No its not common , In 9 years of owning swisstools I've bent two flat screwdriver /bottle operners . The first time was a slight bend when I had the handles open at 90 degrees for extra leveradge and it was replaced with a new one . The second was when I wrongly used it as a pry bar and bent it quite bad , straightened it with a spirit and its been fine ever since . You must understand that I used as much force my 15 stone could put behind it . They didnt bend easily .

2 ) To be honest the phillips on the Swisstool can slip if you dont push hard enough and can lead to rounding off , its not as bad as some people make out .

3 ) Its the same metal as any other Vic SAK , Can be sharpened to hair shaving sharpness very quickly because its quite soft  ( and rust resistant ) not bad at edge holding but the secret is to keep it nice and sharp , a little sharpening often . Compared with super steels like S30V that holds a superior edge but is a b*tch to sharpen as its so hard .

4 ) No not at all , have a search around these forums and theres a couple of vids I done on cutting coat hangers and barbed wire with no damage at all to the cutters .

Hope this helps


Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: max6166 on October 10, 2008, 08:55:15 PM
I think Dunc's response is spot on with what others have said.

I think some people have touched up the phillips head a bit to get around the problem too.

Don't forget the phillips on the can opener too!  :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 11, 2008, 01:26:33 AM
One more question:  Does anyone do any custom work/mods on Swisstools?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Benner on October 11, 2008, 01:27:51 AM
One more question:  Does anyone do any custom work/mods on Swisstools?

Not that I know of.  The only common mod on here is the Spirit pocket clip.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Freudian Frog on October 11, 2008, 01:38:32 AM
Why would you mod a perfect tool? ::) :D

Except for a pocket clip... really...
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 13, 2008, 09:06:08 AM
One more question:  Has the side play on the head been fixed?  I handled an older Swisstool and the play was more than i expected.  I know it doesn't affect function but...
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 13, 2008, 07:26:22 PM
My 05 is tight as a drum mate :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Leatherman123 on October 13, 2008, 07:29:38 PM
I have a ton of SwissTools now and only two of them have plier pivot play! An 05 RS and X.  :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 14, 2008, 06:41:05 AM
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 14, 2008, 07:40:45 AM
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Leatherman123 on October 15, 2008, 02:00:35 AM
I'm not a naysayer!  :pok: ;) :D I really like the SwissTools!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 02:07:39 AM
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)

I bet I could break one. Destruction is my thing, when the mood takes me.

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 07:32:01 AM
Two '05 Swisstools?  Those are recent models.  Do they have the wider/taller head and the smaller pivot pin?
The pin really is only slightly smaller if at all, and yes they are a lot beefier too :)

To be honest mate, just get one. Forget what all the naysayers say, there a great, and nigh on indestructable tool :)

I bet I could break one. Destruction is my thing, when the mood takes me.


I did say nigh on :D

Nice sigline BTW :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 01:21:57 PM
Nice sigline BTW :D

Ta!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 15, 2008, 09:39:34 PM
A quote I found regarding metal hardness. 

VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives). For every activity, be it professional, in the home or during leisure time, there is a need for excellent tools and cutting implements. All Victorinox knives are high carbon, stainless, first grade, A-quality steel. They are tempered to a 55-56 HRC hardness for optimum edge retention. The wood saws, scissors and nailfiles have a hardness of RC 53, the screwdrivers, tinopeners and reamers RC 52, and the corkscrews and springs RC 49.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 09:56:56 PM
Sound's right to me :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 10:42:43 PM
I'm guessing that was from a Vic website / seller, right? :D

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 10:45:21 PM
I'm guessing that was from a Vic website / seller, right? :D


Don't be so cynical :twak: :D

But the Rockwell's are the same as what I've seen quoted in the past :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 10:49:08 PM
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the expression "VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives)" didn't come from a Gerber site did it? :D

I've no reason to doubt that the stats are right, but that bit is a just a tad biased isn't it?

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 10:51:15 PM
I'm not saying it's wrong, but the expression "VICTORINOX is the world leader of Pocket tools (Multi-Tools and Pocket knives)" didn't come from a Gerber site did it? :D

I've no reason to doubt that the stats are right, but that bit is a just a tad biased isn't it?


I would say they were the world leader in pocket tool's, maybe not so much MT's, but there enourmous Sak range more than offset's there relative lack of MT's imo :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 11:00:48 PM
It's opinion though innit?

Anyhow, we can resolve this once and for all when carl tells us where he read it.....

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 11:02:20 PM
Well were both be in bed when he does, and seeing as I've got to be up at stupid o'clock, I'll edit it if I don't like the answer :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 11:04:34 PM
It's cool:

It's a Vic seller!

http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Pioneer-Pocket-Knife/dp/B000687B4O

Now, if it had been on Wikipedia, I'd have taken it more seriously :D

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 11:05:15 PM
It's cool:

It's a Vic seller!

http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-Pioneer-Pocket-Knife/dp/B000687B4O

Now, if it had been on Wikipedia, I'd have taken it more seriously :D


::)Like a dog with a bone aren't you ::) :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on October 15, 2008, 11:08:16 PM
I'm only kidding. As this thread is properly hijacked by now anyway, I'm gonna mention that I'm really loving this GAK that Mikko sent me.

It feels so much more serious than my regular sized SAKs. Is the blade on this the same sort of thickness as a Farmer? Or is that not a fair comparison?

Teach me master - I need to know my enemy.....

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 15, 2008, 11:12:51 PM
It may have to wait till tommorow my young apprentice, as I've just popped my sleeping pills :D

In summary I'd say, the Farmer feels every bit as solid (except the saw, but it is at least longer than the one on the 108mm's) just smaller and with more sensible tools :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 17, 2008, 05:46:31 PM
Thanks for all the input guys.  I'm pretty much settled on a Swisstool X but since the Shot show is right around the corner now, I think I'll wait to see whats up in '09 before i get it.  By then, the recession will be in full swing and the prices will come down too.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 18, 2008, 01:17:45 AM
FYI even though most of you have probably seen this already, here's a good review of the standard Swisstool with good pics of each implement:

http://www.gkgraphics.com/reviews/hardware/multi/victorinox/swisstool/index.shtml
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on October 18, 2008, 09:51:01 AM
FYI even though most of you have probably seen this already, here's a good review of the standard Swisstool with good pics of each implement:

http://www.gkgraphics.com/reviews/hardware/multi/victorinox/swisstool/index.shtml

No I havnt seen it Carl , thanks its a great review and I like the pictures .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 21, 2008, 06:16:22 AM
Is there a consensus regarding the "best" or "favorite" vintage (year of make) of Swisstool (X/RS/standard)?  For example, I like the wider head but also like the Swisstool imprint on the smaller head.  I don't know about "vintage" differences regarding the implements.  I assume no changes were made to the implements.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 21, 2008, 07:29:23 AM
I'm pretty sure the implements have remained the same :), I think the general view is to get as late a one as possible :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on October 21, 2008, 04:04:21 PM
There were some changes  :P In the Awl , chisel angle and in the wire strippers .There is a post about it I done in here somewhere .

  I prefer the older model with the smaller plier head because it feels betting in the hand as the handles arent so far apart . But its not a deal breaker .


Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on October 21, 2008, 04:31:47 PM
Try this thread  :D  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,923.0.html



Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 21, 2008, 05:23:00 PM
thanks for the great thread on the ST updates.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 24, 2008, 09:56:15 PM
Well, someone keeps outbidding me on a Swisstool X.  I can only go so high. 
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on October 27, 2008, 05:55:29 AM
Lost out on my first ebay bid for an X but won the next one for a CS.  The CS turned out to be actually cheaper.  Can't wait to get it - of course I'll inspect it thoroughly to make sure its not used or from older stock.   The dealer had a good rating so I don't expect any problems.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 27, 2008, 07:02:04 AM
Lost out on my first ebay bid for an X but won the next one for a CS.  The CS turned out to be actually cheaper.  Can't wait to get it - of course I'll inspect it thoroughly to make sure its not used or from older stock.   The dealer had a good rating so I don't expect any problems.
Good on ya mate, you won't regret it :tu:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on November 02, 2008, 02:08:14 AM
Got my CS yesterday - its gorgeous - including the leather case.  All the tools have very little or no play - the plier pivot pin has very little play also.  When any tool is deployed, the play at the attachment point to the handle is much tighter than on an as-new early model ST I handled a while back.  There was a video on this forum about a year ago showing the amount of end-play - my new up-to-date ST-X has no play or almost none on all of the tools.  Vic must have addressed this issue on the newer models.  Anyway, since this is my Christmas gift from my wife, it goes back in the box until the early am hours of 12-25-08.  can't hardly wait! 
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on November 02, 2008, 02:17:03 AM
Got my CS yesterday - its gorgeous - including the leather case.  All the tools have very little or no play - the plier pivot pin has very little play also.  When any tool is deployed, the play at the attachment point to the handle is much tighter than on an as-new early model ST I handled a while back.  There was a video on this forum about a year ago showing the amount of end-play - my new up-to-date ST-X has no play or almost none on all of the tools.  Vic must have addressed this issue on the newer models.  Anyway, since this is my Christmas gift from my wife, it goes back in the box until the early am hours of 12-25-08.  can't hardly wait! 


Oooh, that's got to be a terrible tease, knowing a SwissTool is so close but not able to play with it! >:D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on November 02, 2008, 05:11:46 AM
Its called "Will Power".
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 02, 2008, 09:33:25 AM
Its called "Will Power".
Who's he :think: :D

Congrates on the ST mate :tu:, it'll be worth the wait mate :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on November 02, 2008, 10:49:54 AM
Its called "Will Power".
Who's he :think: :D

Congrates on the ST mate :tu:, it'll be worth the wait mate :)

I think he's Austins Brother  :D

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 02, 2008, 02:42:10 PM
Its called "Will Power".
Who's he :think: :D

Congrates on the ST mate :tu:, it'll be worth the wait mate :)

I think he's Austins Brother  :D

Dunc
:D :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on December 03, 2008, 07:49:15 PM
The ST is great but the small screwdriver seems a bit too small.  I wish all the flatblades were a bit larger.  Most people I know of deal with medium to large flat blade screws.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tholiver on February 20, 2009, 05:48:26 AM
I have a Swisstool X and i love it.
Kinda off topic but where the heck did the multitool.org comparative weight chart go?
I remember you used to be able to easily find it on the home page but i just looked and looked (even did a search) and can't find it.
Seems kinda silly to have to wade through a text review to just find out simple facts like weight.
The chart i remember was pretty useful, is it still here (somewhere)?
Anybody have a link?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tholiver on February 20, 2009, 05:54:43 AM
Nevermind found it down a few layers in the Multi-tool Encyclopedia section
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Comparative+Multitool+Weight+Chart
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tholiver on February 20, 2009, 05:55:53 AM
Strange the search engine couldn't find it, i found it by accident, lol!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 20, 2009, 10:33:07 AM
Well I'm glad you helped yourself then mate :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Poncho65 on February 21, 2009, 06:21:10 AM
Well I'm glad you helped yourself then mate :D

 :D Rather an obliging fellow that one ::) :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: ausjulius on March 01, 2009, 07:55:03 PM
i dont know id be happy with  tools at the hardness they ar eit is soft, but the blade is thin andyou can push it through things if it is blunt also because of the thin edge it can be sharpened very quickly..

sure the vic and wenger tools aint great steel , but they are not meant for whittling  hardwoods or carving bone ,, theyer pocket knifes for lite use..  knife blade steel is fine in their multitools also.... it stays sharp long enough, if it i were to hard then theyed proably have a few broken blades and would cost the $ in warrenty $ due to the thinness of the blade and its shape.. also it would add costs to the amount of stones they buy per year.. and theyed add that to the price of the knives,...  the vic butchers knives are soft as hell, but look most butchers dont even sharpen the knives properly only thin them out on a corse stone and steel them, if they were hard the butchers would have trouble...
id like it if victorinox and wenger made some pocket knives with  better harder steel.. remember  good only british pen knives many are 59-61 rockwell.. (same with  surgical knives.. ) you can see this by the chips in their  blades...
you can ben a vic blade and it wont spring back.. same with their kitchen and butcher knives... for me this is no problem... as they arnt ment to be hard and making them soft sames  money  on grinding stones and so keeps the price lower.. (wenger and victorinox are very well prices for their  knives compared to knives from other makers that have insane quality problems...  like many pen knives from europe and u.s. that cost more.. and are softer and poorer steel and most have  many defects in the one knife.. for bad machine work )

i would like to know how hard the toold head is as a good plier head should be in the high 50 rockwells.. like 57 -59.. it cshould be hard enought to chip  and not fold, 

2 things id like address on the vic multitoo are
1 , sand blast the  screwdriver tips so the stick in the screws and not slip, who the hell polishes a screwdriver tip?? makes no common sence..
maybe ever titanium oxide coat the tips ,.. to help it stick to the scrwew heads.. although sand blasting would be enouth..

2 make it so it is easy to remove broken tools or to remove tools one dosnt need and replace them with  tools you want.....

.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: North Man on January 16, 2010, 02:30:41 PM
i dont know id be happy with  tools at the hardness they ar eit is soft, but the blade is thin andyou can push it through things if it is blunt also because of the thin edge it can be sharpened very quickly..

sure the vic and wenger tools aint great steel.

Hi

I find the Vic steel one of the best in  the world.

NM
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Vadim on May 07, 2010, 06:52:54 PM
i dont know id be happy with  tools at the hardness they ar eit is soft, but the blade is thin andyou can push it through things if it is blunt also because of the thin edge it can be sharpened very quickly..

sure the vic and wenger tools aint great steel , but they are not meant for whittling  hardwoods or carving bone ,, theyer pocket knifes for lite use..  knife blade steel is fine in their multitools also.... it stays sharp long enough, if it i were to hard then theyed proably have a few broken blades and would cost the $ in warrenty $ due to the thinness of the blade and its shape.. also it would add costs to the amount of stones they buy per year.. and theyed add that to the price of the knives,...  the vic butchers knives are soft as hell, but look most butchers dont even sharpen the knives properly only thin them out on a corse stone and steel them, if they were hard the butchers would have trouble...
id like it if victorinox and wenger made some pocket knives with  better harder steel.. remember  good only british pen knives many are 59-61 rockwell.. (same with  surgical knives.. ) you can see this by the chips in their  blades...
you can ben a vic blade and it wont spring back.. same with their kitchen and butcher knives... for me this is no problem... as they arnt ment to be hard and making them soft sames  money  on grinding stones and so keeps the price lower.. (wenger and victorinox are very well prices for their  knives compared to knives from other makers that have insane quality problems...  like many pen knives from europe and u.s. that cost more.. and are softer and poorer steel and most have  many defects in the one knife.. for bad machine work )

i would like to know how hard the toold head is as a good plier head should be in the high 50 rockwells.. like 57 -59.. it cshould be hard enought to chip  and not fold,  

2 things id like address on the vic multitoo are
1 , sand blast the  screwdriver tips so the stick in the screws and not slip, who the hell polishes a screwdriver tip?? makes no common sence..
maybe ever titanium oxide coat the tips ,.. to help it stick to the scrwew heads.. although sand blasting would be enouth..

2 make it so it is easy to remove broken tools or to remove tools one dosnt need and replace them with  tools you want.....

.



I used my swisstool knife very hard and not sharpen it yet,its still very sharp,so I don't know what you mean about soft steel in Vic Wenger.They can't be wrong over 100 years,believe me. :salute:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Magic Bus on May 07, 2010, 07:18:44 PM
Nothin' wrong with a Swisstool  :multi:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: DaveK on May 08, 2010, 01:40:41 AM
i dont know id be happy with  tools at the hardness they ar eit is soft, but the blade is thin andyou can push it through things if it is blunt also because of the thin edge it can be sharpened very quickly..

sure the vic and wenger tools aint great steel , but they are not meant for whittling  hardwoods or carving bone ,, theyer pocket knifes for lite use..  knife blade steel is fine in their multitools also.... it stays sharp long enough, if it i were to hard then theyed proably have a few broken blades and would cost the $ in warrenty $ due to the thinness of the blade and its shape.. also it would add costs to the amount of stones they buy per year.. and theyed add that to the price of the knives,...  the vic butchers knives are soft as hell, but look most butchers dont even sharpen the knives properly only thin them out on a corse stone and steel them, if they were hard the butchers would have trouble...
id like it if victorinox and wenger made some pocket knives with  better harder steel.. remember  good only british pen knives many are 59-61 rockwell.. (same with  surgical knives.. ) you can see this by the chips in their  blades...
you can ben a vic blade and it wont spring back.. same with their kitchen and butcher knives... for me this is no problem... as they arnt ment to be hard and making them soft sames  money  on grinding stones and so keeps the price lower.. (wenger and victorinox are very well prices for their  knives compared to knives from other makers that have insane quality problems...  like many pen knives from europe and u.s. that cost more.. and are softer and poorer steel and most have  many defects in the one knife.. for bad machine work )

i would like to know how hard the toold head is as a good plier head should be in the high 50 rockwells.. like 57 -59.. it cshould be hard enought to chip  and not fold,  

2 things id like address on the vic multitoo are
1 , sand blast the  screwdriver tips so the stick in the screws and not slip, who the hell polishes a screwdriver tip?? makes no common sence..
maybe ever titanium oxide coat the tips ,.. to help it stick to the scrwew heads.. although sand blasting would be enouth..

2 make it so it is easy to remove broken tools or to remove tools one dosnt need and replace them with  tools you want.....

.



I used my swisstool knife very hard and not sharpen it yet,its still very sharp,so I don't know what you mean about soft steel in Vic Wenger.They can't be wrong over 100 years,believe me. :salute:

I think even the most loyal Victorinox users would concede that the blade steel used is "soft" compared to some of the steels used in other multitools and knives, and many like that because it makes it so easy to sharpen. It's not necessarily a criticism, just an observation.

Nothin' wrong with a Swisstool  :multi:

Quite ;)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Magic Bus on May 08, 2010, 08:33:12 AM
Pure curiosity, but I would love to see some accurate numbers relating to relative hardness between Vic and Leatherman  :think:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on May 08, 2010, 08:48:17 AM
I think Vic steel is quite soft but like Dave said its not a bad thing . It makes the blades easy to sharpen .This would also explain why Vic tools tend to bend rather then snap and also why its easy to misshapen the phillips driver .It also explains their high rust resistance .

This is in no way a criticism and I wouldn't want vic blades any other way .


Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Magic Bus on May 08, 2010, 08:56:19 AM
I think Vic steel is quite soft but like Dave said its not a bad thing . It makes the blades easy to sharpen .This would also explain why Vic tools tend to bend rather then snap and also why its easy to misshapen the phillips driver .It also explains their high rust resistance .

This is in no way a criticism and I wouldn't want vic blades any other way .


Dunc

I did bend the smallest flat driver on a Swisstool once although I was being unkind to it. My Swisstool is here to stay but I wouldn't mind having an ST300 to compare  :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on May 08, 2010, 09:00:58 AM
I think Vic steel is quite soft but like Dave said its not a bad thing . It makes the blades easy to sharpen .This would also explain why Vic tools tend to bend rather then snap and also why its easy to misshapen the phillips driver .It also explains their high rust resistance .

This is in no way a criticism and I wouldn't want vic blades any other way .


Dunc

I did bend the smallest flat driver on a Swisstool once although I was being unkind to it. My Swisstool is here to stay but I wouldn't mind having an ST300 to compare  :)

Yes I've yet to try a ST300 , I would be very interested to see how they compare .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Magic Bus on May 08, 2010, 09:41:28 AM
I think Vic steel is quite soft but like Dave said its not a bad thing . It makes the blades easy to sharpen .This would also explain why Vic tools tend to bend rather then snap and also why its easy to misshapen the phillips driver .It also explains their high rust resistance .

This is in no way a criticism and I wouldn't want vic blades any other way .


Dunc

I did bend the smallest flat driver on a Swisstool once although I was being unkind to it. My Swisstool is here to stay but I wouldn't mind having an ST300 to compare  :)

Yes I've yet to try a ST300 , I would be very interested to see how they compare .

Dunc

Tell you what Dunc. If we club together and buy one it'll be cheaper for both of us and the ST300 could spend most time with me and then go on it's holidays to Sea Palling  :rofl: ;)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MultiMat on May 08, 2010, 10:10:33 AM
Ahh joint custody , not sure if it is equitable though  :think: :D :D :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Magic Bus on May 08, 2010, 08:26:29 PM
Ahh joint custody , not sure if it is equitable though  :think: :D :D :D

Strangely I haven't had an answer yet. I reckon Dunc is playing hard to get  :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: boomer on May 31, 2010, 02:43:23 AM
which one of the swiss tools would be goo for hunting. like repairing your gun or cleaning your bird or deer an other game.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Zed on May 31, 2010, 09:41:05 AM
I have to say that my swisstool is turning out to be a very handy tool, i leave it in the kitchen when im not edc'ing it in my bag and angie has used it a few times and said that she likes it compared to the wave as that scares her  ::) for her to show a interest is something special  :D  the drivers are not as bad as i thought they might be, there still a little slippy but ok, so far so good,  :tu:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: boomer on May 31, 2010, 07:24:58 PM
where would you find the different models of knifes old or new. the reason why is I saw an orange handle one an would love to know where to get one. also know if there is a book on them.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: sergemaster on June 01, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
I have a Swisstool as well as a Spirit X, and Ifind either one of them totally compatible with either hunting or hiking when it comes to any sort of chore that requires a little PMCS or something along those lines.. I do notice a little slipping also in the drivers because of the polishing but nothing a little patience can't fix..

Cheers,
Serge
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on November 28, 2010, 06:35:00 AM
The Stainless Swisstool now comes with a more aggressive file, probably in response to the complaints about the original very mild file.  Does anyone know when this new aggressive file was incorporated into the Stainless Swisstool?

Do all Swisstools on sale today have the newer aggressive file?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on November 28, 2010, 10:37:35 AM
The Stainless Swisstool now comes with a more aggressive file, probably in response to the complaints about the original very mild file.  Does anyone know when this new aggressive file was incorporated into the Stainless Swisstool?

Do all Swisstools on sale today have the newer aggressive file?

I don't know when the new one came into being but my 02 style head has a newer type .This doesn't mean that all 02 plier heads might have it .
   AS for your question about all swisstools on sale today I would say no . There are many in shops and some have been sitting there for years . I often see 98 plier head tools in stores .So if you do buy a new one try and find out which model it is .
   The strange thing is I prefer the older 98 pliers but I do like the new file .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on November 29, 2010, 06:58:21 AM
My Stainless Swisstool which I purchased in 2008 has the old file.  In late 2008 or early 2009 we started seeing reports of the newer aggressive file showing up on the BO model first.   The stainless model must have received the newer file afterwards.

When did you purchase your new file stainless model?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on November 29, 2010, 10:59:02 AM
Carl my stainless models are the old type 98 plier heads . What plier head is your model ? you can find out in this thread .....

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2463.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2463.0.html)

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on November 30, 2010, 07:43:50 AM
Its got the 2005 head,  I purchased in 2008 but still has the old file.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Sazabi on November 30, 2010, 03:37:19 PM
Its got the 2005 head,  I purchased in 2008 but still has the old file.

Victorinox tries to refrain from wasting, so perhaps they found one in their tool bin that had escaped previous fitters' hands?  Happens with Leatherman's handles from time to time.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on December 01, 2010, 06:11:15 AM
Maybe but the question is, will I get one with a newer file if I buy one now?  How long is a reasonable amount of time to expect the old stock to have been cleared out?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on December 01, 2010, 11:47:28 AM
Theres is no sure way of knowing to be honest unless you actually see the tool or manage to get one off here in the classified and confirm it with the seller/trader . Like I said stock can sit on the shelves for years in shops .

Dunc
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: carl on December 07, 2010, 08:11:54 AM
I asked an ebay dealer whether the file on his Swisstool for sale was mild or coarse.  He said the file on his Swisstool he was selling was different on each side (?).

  I don't see why this would be so.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Nikos on December 07, 2010, 07:48:19 PM
I asked an ebay dealer whether the file on his Swisstool for sale was mild or coarse.  He said the file on his Swisstool he was selling was different on each side (?).

  I don't see why this would be so.

That's the way SwissTool files are made. Both sides are double-cut smurf files, with one being more aggressive than the other. ;)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: SURGE on December 08, 2010, 12:10:57 PM
HELLO THERE ,I HAVE TWO SWISSTOOLS,THE STANDARD MODEL WITH DIFFERENT SET OF PLIERS BUT I NEVER NOTICED THE FILE!NIKO POU THA VROUME ALLA PSWNIA SAN K MENA STHN ELLADA?( ENNOW ME TH VICTORINOX!)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Nikos on December 08, 2010, 03:13:46 PM
Hi there fellow countrymate. :cheers: :D

HELLO THERE ,I HAVE TWO SWISSTOOLS,THE STANDARD MODEL WITH DIFFERENT SET OF PLIERS BUT I NEVER NOTICED THE FILE!

So do the files on your swisstools actually differ?

NIKO POU THA VROUME ALLA PSWNIA SAN K MENA STHN ELLADA?( ENNOW ME TH VICTORINOX!)

(Translation for non-Greek-speakers/readers: "Niko how can we find any more fanboys like myself in Greece? (I mean Vic fanboys!)")

Not many of us here Surge. :-\ I know there are a couple more over at SOSAK (http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showforum.php?fid/31) (e.g. trailmaster, also a member here), but that's about it. Perhaps some member of the VSAKCS (http://www.vsakcs.org/) could help you out better than me. :think:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: LightFR on February 12, 2011, 06:58:34 PM
Hi all,
I'm a Field Engineer in Power Plants, and I have the luck to use daily my Victorinox Swisstool.
My work is mainly done with steam, high PH water, and sea cooling water, so I chose to get the Swisstool model black oxidized.  (Victorinox code 53954).
Unfortunately it not available at Victorinox Europe so I had to get it from the US.  I really enjoy working with it everyday :

(http://www.hebergementimages.com/images/2628c99837d52bef51b9fcdaa07e072b_SwissTool-black-oxide.JPG)

(http://www.hebergementimages.com/images/944b20e6892a27e24be675febb362b1b_SwissTool-blade-stamp.JPG)

(http://www.hebergementimages.com/images/2bd1d62240ddb241e6f14ab28c4dd2ec_SwissTool-Victorinox-logo.JPG)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: AHB on February 12, 2011, 08:19:19 PM
Good pics LightFR.. :tu: Swisstools are nice in BO too..  8) 8)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: edcgear on February 12, 2011, 09:00:08 PM
Great tool in BO!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on February 13, 2011, 06:51:57 PM
Good choice of tool and great photos LightFR! :salute:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 13, 2011, 08:43:31 PM
Good choice of tool and great photos LightFR! :salute:

I couldn't agree more , you've got one of the best Multitools there . I love the pic in your sig line too  :tu:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Reinier on February 14, 2011, 01:31:33 PM
I chose to get the Swisstool model black oxidized.  (Victorinox code 53954).
Unfortunately it not available at Victorinox Europe so I had to get it from the US.  I really enjoy working with it everyday :

Very nice! They look awesome in black.
I didn't know it's not available in Europe? Isn't yours the same as European number 3.0323.3L?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: LightFR on February 14, 2011, 07:38:25 PM
Very nice! They look awesome in black.
I didn't know it's not available in Europe? Isn't yours the same as European number 3.0323.3L?

Thank you for your nice comments about my pictures, the back ground is just a swiss chocolate paper !
I ave check on Victorinox France web site the code 3.0323.3L and it give no result !!! So I don't know.
Anyway it is better to buy in the US because of the high rate of the Euro compare to dollars and also when you are not from the US and you buy in the US you don't pay VAT taxes... For example my SwissTool Black cost me 72USD If I buy a normal SwissTool in France it will cost me 99EUR (around 134 USD).

 :multi:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: SLT.AMBEMC on February 20, 2011, 06:54:19 PM
That's funny you can't find the BO Swisstool in France; the French Army decided to issue its infantry as part of the new Felin programme with the very same model. Anyway I have a standard Swisstool and it is superb. My only gripe is I would have preferred the model with the scissors. My father, who was in the trades and knows his tools, had a look at it and was very impressed by the design and the quality.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 20, 2011, 07:05:50 PM
Yes there was a thread or post about the French adopting the Swisstool . I'll have a hunt about .
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 20, 2011, 07:16:41 PM
I couldn't find the thread but I did find this ..........

http://www.victorinoxblog.com/2010/09/30-000-swiss-tool-for-french-army-felin.html (http://www.victorinoxblog.com/2010/09/30-000-swiss-tool-for-french-army-felin.html)

Quote
We participate since 1996 with a stand in the Swiss Pavilion in the largest European Defence Exhibition, EUROSATORY, which takes place every second year in Paris. Initially, the French Army only placed small scale orders, mainly for mine clearing units, using our Swiss Tool.

Approach/Actions:

At the Eurosatory and through publications in Defence Magazines, we created the interest of French defence industry giants SAGEM who were awarded by the French Army with the development of a completely new, highly sophisticated infanterist equipment. The program is called FELIN which stands for Fantassin à Equipments et Liaison Intégrés. (see www.army-technology.com/projects/felin (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/felin))

A multipurpose plier tool had to become part of this program and SAGEM has selected a variety of products of different suppliers to be tested and compared.

Result:

SAGEM decided that the black oxidized Swiss Tool, which we already sell to the Norwegian Army (since 1998) and Australia (since 2001) is matching best with their requirement. They further decided that each tool shall be equipped with an explosive cap crimper in order not to issue a different tool for those soldiers involved in pyrotechnical works.

After a first test series, we delivered the first official quantity in 2008. Presently we are working with our French representatives Waldmann SA and SAGEM on a "contract cadre" for the delivery of the first 6'000 units. The French Army does foresee to equip approx 30'000 soldiers with this high tech equipment with a cost of various 10'000 SFr each ! Other Nato Armies, for instance also the Italian, are orienting themselves at the FELIN program. So the order with the French army might be groundbreaking for our efforts in other countries too.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: LightFR on February 20, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
Hi all, I guess that Victorinox will make a lot of money by selling SwissTool to the French Army. The French Army always buy the best tools but pay it twice the price that normal people pay it !
In France this story is known about Facom (very nice mechanics tool, very high quality company, making a life time warranty on their tools). Facom was making tool with the stamp French Army and sell it twice to ten time the normal price.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: SLT.AMBEMC on February 20, 2011, 09:47:12 PM
Didn't know about the Facom story but I am hardly surprised (I am French by the way and I served in the army as pasrt of my national service). Going back to multis, I think Gerber also sold a bespoke version (EOD-style) of their MP600 to the French Army.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MultiMat on February 21, 2011, 11:58:41 AM
May I ask LightFR & SLT.AMBEMC do you guys know if the French armies Swisstools have any markings on them to signify military issue  :think: :think:.

The Australian Defense forces have used Swisstools for some time & they have a NATO marking on them (Australia is not part of NATO  ??? ??? ??? :D)

Some pics of the Aussie issue Swisstool markings/military ID


(http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll287/multimat426/Digger/S6304330-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 21, 2011, 12:43:42 PM
Good question Matthe   :tu: , I did a little digging (  ;) ) lastnight and I can confirm fifth and sixth numbers ( 25 ) are to signifey Norway was the first country to register this tool as Military/Nato issue .

http://stampedout.net/odds-007-ncb.html (http://stampedout.net/odds-007-ncb.html)

What this means is that any country which adopts the tool from then on it will still carry the number of the original country .Hence the codes on the Australian Swisstool . While Australia isn't part of NATO it is a supporting country and has its own code which is 66.

But the new French ones have a Cap Crimper plier head  :think: does that mean if it has got a number stamped on it will it be that same as the other Swisstoolls ?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MultiMat on February 21, 2011, 12:56:47 PM
Thanks for that Dunc  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:. Great investigative work mate , I did some digging but just got the NATO thing.

It did bother me that I thought the Diggers had been branded for NATO & not Oz  :ahhh :D :D :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 21, 2011, 01:29:15 PM
From what I know some years back the Australian Military were looking for a Multitool and held trials , Vic submitted the Std Swisstool and I know LM put up the Supertool 200 but I don't know what other ( if any ) were also in the trial .The Swisstool was choosen  :D It does seem a very popular choice among Armies . They must of read my review  :rofl:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: LightFR on February 21, 2011, 08:08:18 PM
Hello MultiMat,
We just know that the order was placed by the French Army, I haven't saw one yet.
As france is part of the NATO It is highly possible that they will get an number. It is also highly possible that they get "Armée Française" on it !
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on February 22, 2011, 03:17:36 AM
From what I know some years back the Australian Military were looking for a Multitool and held trials , Vic submitted the Std Swisstool and I know LM put up the Supertool 200 but I don't know what other ( if any ) were also in the trial .The Swisstool was choosen  :D It does seem a very popular choice among Armies . They must of read my review  :rofl:

 ::) ::) ::) :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MultiMat on February 22, 2011, 08:53:27 AM
Hello MultiMat,
We just know that the order was placed by the French Army, I haven't saw one yet.
As france is part of the NATO It is highly possible that they will get an number. It is also highly possible that they get "Armée Française" on it !

Thanks mate  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:.

Time to get friendly with some one in the Army mate  :pok: :pok: :P :D :D :D
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 23, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
I've just asked on the Vic Facebook page if the Norwegian issue St carraries the same numbers as the Aussie one .

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 23, 2011, 02:46:09 PM
I would very much like a cap crimper model  :drool:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: SLT.AMBEMC on February 23, 2011, 10:45:45 PM
Re military markings, based on the equipment I was issued with during my service, it is likely the Swisstool will have some specific code/marking, an inventory number at the very least (to avoid them bein nicked) and probably no brand. I think I have a pic of the Swisstool in a French knife mag and that it had the Felin logo stamped on it (a kind of tiger or puma). I'll have a look.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: SLT.AMBEMC on February 24, 2011, 12:00:31 AM
I managed to find this: jackgers.blogspot.com/2010/11/30-000-swiss-tool-for-french-army.html
The picture is not very good but you can guess that there is actually the Victorinox markings (stamped) on one handle and on the other handle the Felin logo. Cannot see a C4 punch but the plier head is shaped as a crimper.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on February 24, 2011, 01:46:24 PM
I managed to find this: jackgers.blogspot.com/2010/11/30-000-swiss-tool-for-french-army.html
The picture is not very good but you can guess that there is actually the Victorinox markings (stamped) on one handle and on the other handle the Felin logo. Cannot see a C4 punch but the plier head is shaped as a crimper.

30 000 Swisstools  :o  thats more then Chako has  :D

I don't think it has a dedicated C4 punch . It looks like a Standard Swisstool but with a Cap Crimper plier head .
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: North Man on April 10, 2011, 08:38:40 AM
HI

I have some information on the Black oxide what it is, and yes from  :)Victorinox, i have a few tools now and the latest was a used SwissTool Black Oxide 3.0323.3. (standard functions)

B.oxide:

Bluing (black oxide or blackening) is a passivation process and is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. It is used to add mild corrosion resistance and for appearance. One of its advantages over other coatings is its minimal buildup. Bluing, being a chemical conversion coating, is not as robust against wear as plated coatings, and is typically no thicker than 2.5 micrometres (0.0001 inches). The Victorinox blackening process is appropriate for stainless and high alloy steel.

Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: ICanFixThat on April 17, 2011, 06:11:01 PM
NM, Nice, but there is not much mystery in the BO finish;  However; can you get them to spill the beans (or give just a little more info) on the coating/plating/material-transform used on the Spirit RT?

Thanks for getting us info and comments from Victorinox, on all sorts of topics.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: ICanFixThat on May 07, 2011, 06:07:50 PM
Something a little different; a Black Bit-Kit.  Included with a BMW Motorcycles branded SwissTool - X kit.

(http://www.sakwiki.com/show_image.php?id=1934)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on May 07, 2011, 07:11:21 PM
Speaking of black Swisstools and motorcycles, another variation is this Aprilia Black Iron 23 tool 8)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/ApriliaBlackIron23Victorinoxblackoxidefinish.jpg)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: 1jump2many on October 13, 2011, 07:17:17 AM
I wish Vic would make a version of the Spirit with a plain edge pen knife blade, wood saw, scissors and the belt cutter from the SwissTool.  Basically the Spirit X with the metal file replaced with the belt cutter. :tu:  I own a SwissTool and a SwissTool RS.  I like the RS much better.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Gott on February 02, 2012, 07:26:58 PM
I really like the tools in black finish casing! SwissTool especially looks good in black. :tu:
But I think that in every multitools must be present scissors. This is a very important option, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Reinier on February 02, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
Yes the black ones are very cool. The black bit holder looks better than the red one too!
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MirrorEdge on May 18, 2012, 02:40:20 PM
What is the different models of the spirit ??
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: applevalleyjoe on July 01, 2012, 08:16:13 AM
So how about the black swiss tool?    Did it come in all those configurations or just one??


I would also like to know?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: applevalleyjoe on July 01, 2012, 08:20:19 AM
Whats a good price for a "Standard" and where can I get one...not a fan of scissors.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on July 01, 2012, 10:22:50 AM
So how about the black swiss tool?    Did it come in all those configurations or just one??


I would also like to know?

I've only ever seen the Std models in BO and the std with cap crimper , I wonder if they done any others
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: ByNa on August 11, 2012, 01:47:41 AM
I have got my first SwissTool (4.0883.L). I am very happy with it. But two things are bugging me. First, it‘s plier head has no markings on it, so it is not similar to any of these examples (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b176/ebbingtide/SwissTool20Entwicklung20Zange.jpg). I almost started thinking that I have a fake. But then I found that one member has the same looking one (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2463.msg552403.html) (so either we both have fakes, or we both don’t). Second, ruler numbers on one side look bold, and on another side look normal. I took a few images, I hope you can see the difference.
So two questions: is it fake and is it normal to have a different type of numbers used on the ruler?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on August 11, 2012, 09:10:42 AM
Its not a Fake , Vic have recently moved the logos about on the Spirit model and stopped putting their shield on the plier head so looks like they've done the same on the Swisstool.

while its not on every model  I have seen it on more then one occasion to have fainter numbers on one handle then the other. As long as you can read them ok then you'll be fine  :tu: 
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Grail Knight on September 02, 2012, 01:13:06 AM
......Vic have recently moved the logos about on the Spirit model and stopped putting their shield on the plier head so looks like they've done the same on the Swisstool.....

I just received a new SwissTool Spirit X today and the plier head does not have any emblem stamping.
The handles do have an excellent name stamp and Vic symbol on both handles.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: kore on October 22, 2012, 07:20:57 AM
Omg! The truth was as simple as that!
Thanks for sharing this info...
Now i'm thinking of getting a standard  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Wilson_88 on April 19, 2013, 04:18:58 PM
Didn't think it would warrant its own thread so i'm bumping this one :

I just got my first Swisstool (CS Plus with ratchet & leather sheath) and I have a few questions...

- I bought it brand new last week, but the box says 2011 (no date on the tool itself though). I'm pretty sure it means it's been on the store shelf since then, but I was just wondering if some of you have 2012 or 2013 boxes?

- With that in mind, are there any changes made to the 2012/2013 models? Since i've just bought it, it'd be a shame to miss out on new stuff.

- I was suprised to see that it doesn't have the red and white "Victorinox" stamp on it, but after a quick search it seems the newer ones are all like this. Does anyone know when they lost the logo?


Any help much appreciated :)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Melvin Sjardinal on June 28, 2013, 11:56:21 AM
Swiss Tool with Blasting Cap Crimper
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tgbrendaj on September 26, 2013, 08:58:18 AM
Does anyone have a Victorinox catalog pic of the 1998 Victorinox SwissTool X set which also included screwdriver bits, the "L" shaped bit drive bar, and nylon case that holds all?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: loki-mobile on November 25, 2013, 05:01:19 PM
Can someone count the number of different Victorinox Multitools
Do Swisstool were different versions, depending on the year of production (the main difference is the shape and labeling of pliers). Some versions have been in black
[Example]
Swisstool
         STD   X   RS   STD Black  STD Bl CC STD Signed
1997    *     ?    ?          ?                 -               -
1998    *     ?    ?          ?                 -               *
1999    *     ?    ?          ?                 -               -
2002    *     *    *         *                 -               -
2005    *     *    *         *                 -               -
2008    *     *    *         *                 -               -
2012    *     *    *         *                 *               -
Result  - 21

Spirit
               STD   X    S    Black  RT
? ? ? ?        *     *    *      *      *
Result - 5 :)
 
SportRachet, Autotool
Result -2
 
End result 21 + 5 +2 = 28 :)
[/Example]

PS More interested in the question - what year began to produce black version Swisstool? I have a version in blister - on an early version of pliers (1997-2000), but without the logo, it would be desirable to determine without opening.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: komalsharma on December 11, 2013, 11:35:31 AM
I want to know about Swiss tool .please tell me how i can use it exactly ? even i have also swiss knife but dont 9 exact use of it. here i post my Swiss Tool.

http://www.museumreplicas.com/images/product/large/2157_1_.jpg
http://www.atlantacutlery.com/images/product/large/2583_1_.jpg
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: mashguy4077 on December 11, 2013, 03:03:15 PM
I want to know about Swiss tool .please tell me how i can use it exactly ? even i have also swiss knife but dont 9 exact use of it. here i post my Swiss Tool.
http://www.museumreplicas.com/images/product/large/2157_1_.jpg
http://www.atlantacutlery.com/images/product/large/2583_1_.jpg

What?  :think:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: komalsharma on December 12, 2013, 11:44:53 AM
mashguy4077  tell me, where swiss blade is used . :sak:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: derekmac on December 12, 2013, 05:18:33 PM
Recap on the SwissTool models, which differ only in the four "long" blades:

STANDARD..............plain knife........saw blade.........serrated knife.........file
SWISSTOOL X.........plain knife........saw blade.........scissors.................file
SWISSTOOL RS........plain knife........saw blade.........scissors................curved rescue blade

SWISSTOOL CS......same exact thing as the X model, but packaged with a removeable corkscrew accessory.
komalsharma, this is what we are talking about for different SwissTool models.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: komalsharma on December 13, 2013, 11:17:46 AM
 Ok .i got it. thank you derekmac .
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Aloha on January 10, 2014, 08:24:46 PM
I got my Swisstool RS in and I think I'll get a BO Swisstool and call this collection done.

I was gonna collect the different heads but so many Swisstools and I have other tools I really want.  I'm thinking the 98 Swisstool Standard may go up for trades since I have 2.  Now on to a few Spirits I think. 
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: J-sews on January 12, 2014, 04:29:10 AM
Good luck with that, but fair warning, there are a couple of Spirit variations that might be hard to find :salute:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: lowtech on February 21, 2016, 10:23:40 PM
So, dear Swisstool enthusiasts...
I came across a Swisstool that I thought would only exist as a Photoshopped model. I bougt it right away (at a premium) to secure it for the Swisstool Lovers.  ;)

It is a 2 bladed model with what I´d identify as a `98 model Plierhead. The tool has teh holes for accepting the Corkscrew. It is teh SS version. BUT - It has a CC plierhead!

Does anybody own one like it? I have only found threads mentioning the BO Cap Crimper.

I know,  :worthless: but I need to find soem time during daylight hours and clean the Tool before taking pics.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: firiki on February 26, 2016, 10:09:15 AM
:popcorn:  Nobody reads the stickies, it seems...
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: zoidberg on February 26, 2016, 10:16:20 AM
:popcorn:  Nobody reads the stickies, it seems...

I sure don't...
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: lowtech on February 26, 2016, 12:57:27 PM
I have thought the same... Tool is up to a good scrubbing after the initial wash and WD 40 and I hope to be able to post pics tonight - I´ll open another thread, though...
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: sLaughterMed on February 27, 2016, 11:55:11 PM
I have thought the same... Tool is up to a good scrubbing after the initial wash and WD 40 and I hope to be able to post pics tonight - I´ll open another thread, though...
:wait:
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tango44 on June 17, 2016, 04:12:20 AM
Sorry if this is not the right place to post about this, but here I go:

Where are all the Black Oxide Swisstool Spirit?

I been looking for one for the last 2 months and I can`t get one!

I want a Swisstool Spirit with scissors in BO and I cant find those!

Are this discontinued?

Help please.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: kaput on August 22, 2016, 07:10:19 AM
What if... They made the Swiss tool in brushed instead of the high polish? I think I'd be like  :ahhh

(Since the BOs are virtually non existent)
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: LoopCutter on September 19, 2016, 07:22:54 PM
:popcorn:  Nobody reads the stickies, it seems...
I do when looking for special info, as this thread quite helpful.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: firiki on September 20, 2016, 09:48:36 AM
:popcorn:  Nobody reads the stickies, it seems...
I do when looking for special info, as this thread quite helpful.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Allow me to rectify, then: Almost nobody reads the stickies, it seems :D

Plenty of useful stuff hidden in the stickies, that's true.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: sak60 on February 07, 2017, 07:32:23 AM
Sorry if this is not the right place to post about this, but here I go:

Where are all the Black Oxide Swisstool Spirit?

I been looking for one for the last 2 months and I can`t get one!

I want a Swisstool Spirit with scissors in BO and I cant find those!

Are this discontinued?

Help please.

Thank you.
just saw your post. Let me know if you're still looking
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tapout0304 on May 05, 2017, 02:33:05 PM
Hello! I have owned my RS awhile now and use the "seatbelt cutter" for all the time has any one tried to sharpen the separations on the one side? I'm pretty experienced in  sharpening and feel comfortable doing it just wondering of anyone else had tried it and if so did you a diamond steel rod or something else thank you!!!

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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: tapout0304 on May 05, 2017, 02:34:46 PM
Hello! I have owned my RS awhile now and use the "seatbelt cutter" for all the time has any one tried to sharpen the separations on the one side? I'm pretty experienced in  sharpening and feel comfortable doing it just wondering of anyone else had tried it and if so did you a diamond steel rod or something else thank you!!!

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autocorrect changed some words around in there sorry

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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dunc on May 05, 2017, 04:04:05 PM
Hi I've found the Spyderco Sharmaker gives perfect results on victorinox curved serrated blades
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Toolslinger on May 06, 2017, 07:25:59 PM
Hi I've found the Spyderco Sharmaker gives perfect results on victorinox curved serrated blades

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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 28, 2017, 10:41:33 PM
Dragging up an old topic by the hair... are there any markings I can use to put a definite date on my SwissTools? I think they are the original model from around when they started being sold. Red markings, left side plier pivot. They do have saw blades, not serrated knives.

Thanks in advance!

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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: zoidberg on August 28, 2017, 10:59:51 PM
I believe that's a 98 plier head.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: MusicMen on August 29, 2017, 01:31:29 AM
Check out the plier head progression here (http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=SwissTool). Scroll down to history. It talks about the different pliers and tools.
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 29, 2017, 09:02:59 AM
Thanks, that conforms to what fractions of my memory still exist  :rofl:

The history of my Swisstool collection (see next post from my phone) begins with the one on the right - I was fascinated that Victorinox (in an attempt to emulate Leatherman's success, one might be tempted to speculate) came with a plier based tool and I bought it as soon as I could justify it for myself (read 'immediately'). That must have been around 1998. About a year later I got the other one as a present (which I politely did not decline  :D).

BTW the link you posted MusicMen - this seems to work only with Tapatalk (but ends up showing a tiny picture even on an S7) and not on the Web version of the Wiki ("Access Frobidden").
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on August 29, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Huntsman on August 31, 2017, 11:23:09 PM
The Wiki should be pretty clear on models etc now - We did quite a bit of work on it last year.

See link in Musicmen's post above.

Any comments, omissions, clarifications needed - Please let us know
And we do need to add in the new black ST BS and ST Spirit XBS models

And from the 2017 catalogue it looks like the RS is withdrawn - Anyone any info/confirmation on that?

We have also re-organised the Autotool page and LeaF has put some great new photos there
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: JustinCase on November 13, 2017, 05:43:42 AM
Any info on the 1997 Swiss Tool with logo centered on the pliers? Rare or not? :think:  Not familiar with all different Swiss Tool models and as far as I understand, logo and shield emblem were centered on the pliers only in 1997.
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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: stugumby on February 07, 2018, 12:54:39 AM
Was looking at online catalog and it seems Swisstool standard and Swisstool RS are no longer available, but standard is available in black oxide only?
Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: David Bowen on February 07, 2018, 01:45:01 AM
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Wish I could find one of these horizontal sheaths.

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Title: Re: Swisstools the different models
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on May 30, 2018, 01:36:35 PM
Only just saw this reply, sorry. :-[

These sheaths appear to be very rare indeed, to the extent that Vic NA reportedly deny they ever existed :rofl:

I can think of one reason why they were discontinued relatively soon after introduction of the tools - there is no separate belt loop and your belt just passes through two vertical slits in the outer layer of leather at the back, which is not excessively thick. The tools are then just separated from the belt by an inner liner.

Whilst the belt slits are rounded off, I can imagine that any undue effort will simply let the belt cut into the leather and damage it, with possible loss of the tool as an extreme result. This applies in particular to the version with the added bit set, which sits just inside (towards the belt) from the tool proper and almost doubles total bulk. I tend to avoid carrying the sheaths on my belt too often, for that reason amongst others.

However, they do very occasionally pop up. One, with tool, is here: https://www.ebay.de/itm/Victorinox-Multitool-Swisstool-mit-Bits-und-Tasche-gebraucht/123160774907?hash=item1cacf448fb:g:z-sAAOSw48dbDOms (dispatch in Germany only; I have no association with this seller whatsoever).