Post by: Zed on January 27, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on January 27, 2015, 11:07:38 AM
Sure, you don't have OHO. But you get
- Super beefy flat screwdriver
- Chisle tool
- Comfy pliers
- Compact tool
- Long screwdrivers (especially the Phillips)
Post by: hiraethus on January 27, 2015, 11:16:21 AM
Post by: mrynnr on January 27, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Post by: kirk13 on January 27, 2015, 11:27:48 AM
I got my first SwissTool from TaxiDad. It just didn't work for him. He then started getting nudge for a Spirit. I sent mine over to him to road test,and he hasn't stopped bitching at me about it since. Like me,it reset what to expect from a MT.
Oh,and he bought Bmots one( and no,he didn't have to go to the basement to get it)
Post by: ducttapetech on January 27, 2015, 11:31:14 AM
Nate
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 27, 2015, 11:43:57 AM
.... but you really do need to TRY one ... :pok: ;)
Post by: Zed on January 27, 2015, 11:45:30 AM
Post by: Corwyn on January 27, 2015, 11:58:49 AM
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
Post by: kirk13 on January 27, 2015, 12:00:45 PM
You DEFINATELY need a Spirit, although it will sour you for all other multitools. Nothing comes even close in quality, fit&finish and sheer beauty.
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
...and to save Kampfer the bother,just don't expect it to sit flat on a table ;)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 27, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
You DEFINATELY need a Spirit, although it will sour you for all other multitools. Nothing comes even close in quality, fit&finish and sheer beauty.
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
...and to save Kampfer the bother,just don't expect it to sit flat on a table ;)
... or for that to matter :rofl:
Post by: Lichtbote on January 27, 2015, 12:08:39 PM
You DEFINATELY need a Spirit, although it will sour you for all other multitools. Nothing comes even close in quality, fit&finish and sheer beauty.
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
Hmm, no.
Sorry, but ... no.
Post by: magentus on January 28, 2015, 11:59:11 AM
No you don't really NEED a Spirit, but you want one don't you?
Treat yo'self.
Post by: Monrogue on January 28, 2015, 02:29:29 PM
Post by: hiraethus on January 28, 2015, 02:56:49 PM
You DEFINATELY need a Spirit, although it will sour you for all other multitools. Nothing comes even close in quality, fit&finish and sheer beauty.
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
There are plenty of flaws in the Spirit (handle misalignment,, blunt nosed pliers, blade play, soft steel tools, slippery grip, odd looks) but none of the tools I've played with or researched is perfect. The Spirit is, for me at least, better than the others.
It almost makes a SAK unnecessary though, as it's pretty much a SAK in plier based MT form, with some extras for more versatility.
That's the conclusion that I've recently come to as well. Stick a Classic on your keys and a Spirit in your pocket and you're good to go. If I didn't like the feel of the Pioneer so much I probably wouldn't bother carrying a SAK at all.
You should at least borrow one to try out for a bit. I've got one I could loan you if you want.
Post by: Zed on January 28, 2015, 05:07:08 PM
You DEFINATELY need a Spirit, although it will sour you for all other multitools. Nothing comes even close in quality, fit&finish and sheer beauty.
I have a shelf full of multies which I use to play around (Surge, SuperTool, SkeleTool, MP400, a throng of saks), but when I need a reliable tool, that will do everything, I find myself taking the Spirit.
After using a Spirit, everything will seem lacking.. you will start seeing rust spots, sharp edges, faulty locks, wobbly pliers, loose blades on everything else...
There are plenty of flaws in the Spirit (handle misalignment,, blunt nosed pliers, blade play, soft steel tools, slippery grip, odd looks) but none of the tools I've played with or researched is perfect. The Spirit is, for me at least, better than the others.It almost makes a SAK unnecessary though, as it's pretty much a SAK in plier based MT form, with some extras for more versatility.
That's the conclusion that I've recently come to as well. Stick a Classic on your keys and a Spirit in your pocket and you're good to go. If I didn't like the feel of the Pioneer so much I probably wouldn't bother carrying a SAK at all.
You should at least borrow one to try out for a bit. I've got one I could loan you if you want.
thanks for the offer mate but kirky is sending me one too look at :salute: will be cool too compare to my og wave :tu: ill get back with my views on it ,thanks wgain kirky :salute:
Post by: sawman on January 28, 2015, 05:10:05 PM
Post by: Zed on January 28, 2015, 05:14:21 PM
I keep asking myself the same thing and always come back to the same issue of the Spirit's wire cutters not being up to par. Other than that it's a great tool but not exactly UK carry legal is it ???
no not uk legal,i guess a butter blade doesnt look lethal though,i wish they did a bladeless version :-\ this is another reason ive not gone for one as my og wave lives in a box under my bed :-\
Post by: kirk13 on January 28, 2015, 05:24:21 PM
I keep asking myself the same thing and always come back to the same issue of the Spirit's wire cutters not being up to par. Other than that it's a great tool but not exactly UK carry legal is it ???
no not uk legal,i guess a butter blade doesnt look lethal though,i wish they did a bladeless version :-\ this is another reason ive not gone for one as my og wave lives in a box under my bed :-\
Without opening the usual can of worms,the Spirit looks a lot less threatening than the currant Wave.
Post by: sawman on January 28, 2015, 05:26:30 PM
That's a good point. I'm convinced now that you DO indeed need a Spirit :DI keep asking myself the same thing and always come back to the same issue of the Spirit's wire cutters not being up to par. Other than that it's a great tool but not exactly UK carry legal is it ???
no not uk legal,i guess a butter blade doesnt look lethal though,i wish they did a bladeless version :-\ this is another reason ive not gone for one as my og wave lives in a box under my bed :-\
Without opening the usual can of worms,the Spirit looks a lot less threatening than the currant Wave.
Post by: hiraethus on January 28, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
thanks for the offer mate but kirky is sending me one too look at :salute: will be cool too compare to my og wave :tu: ill get back with my views on it ,thanks wgain kirky :salute:
So if you do decide to buy one, we definitely can (http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/blamekirky_zps92b2ebee.png)
Look forward to seeing what you think.
Post by: kirk13 on January 28, 2015, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: AHB on January 28, 2015, 05:34:36 PM
Oh,I'm so ready for the blame on this one!Nice one Kirk... :tu:
Post by: Zed on January 28, 2015, 05:58:27 PM
Oh,I'm so ready for the blame on this one!
why change a habbit of a lifetime mate :rofl:
cant wait too handle this :salute:
Post by: BASguy on January 29, 2015, 03:29:03 AM
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There are plenty of flaws in the Spirit (handle misalignment,, blunt nosed pliers, blade play, soft steel tools, slippery grip, odd looks) but none of the tools I've played with or researched is perfect. The Spirit is, for me at least, better than the others.
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Handle misalignment....."flaw" is really stretching it. It doesn't affect performance at all.
Blunt nose pliers is a plus if you are are a heavy duty pliers user.
Blade play...? Haven't ever seen that as a flaw.
Soft steel tools.....I'm a pretty hard user and my Spirit has held up as well as any Leatherman in that area.
Slippery grip.....OK, that's legitimate
Odd looks? Seriously...? A flaw....?
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Post by: captain spaulding on January 29, 2015, 03:38:31 AM
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Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 29, 2015, 03:58:43 AM
:twak:
...as that's been what I've been carrying everyday for the last several weeks.
Fixed
If I didn't like the feel of the Pioneer so much I probably wouldn't bother carrying a SAK at all.
This times eleventy million. I am really loving the feel of my Pioneer, what a great design.
What is this about blade play? Please say it is an issue so I will not have to buy a Spirit.
:facepalm: For this whole thread.
Post by: kkokkolis on January 29, 2015, 08:14:06 AM
It almost makes a SAK unnecessary though, as it's pretty much a SAK in plier based MT form, with some extras for more versatility.
That's true. It was difficult to persuade myself to leave the Swisschamp behind after decades. But the Spirit has most Swisschamp century proven tools (even the corkscrew!), most of them are more functional (longer tools, more robust prying driver, inline philips and awl, all lockable) and it adds a versatile chisel only Victorinox offers. It is flat to fit where Wave/Charge won't. Where the Wave handles dig in your palm, Spirit is like a lady's skin and with the most ergonomic handles. It opens with gravity, something none of the Leathermans does (they are stiff). It has the better spring system, a Swiss specialty. It is built as a Swiss watch, everything fits perfectly in place and clicks reassuringly. Mine stays flat for what this might worth (nothing?). It plays music for you! The wrench or ratchet option completes it and the only problem is the scissors but not for me anymore, since hiraethus solved it with the custom alox he made for me.
I can't compare it with the Wave, for me it is in the same market section with Juice. It is much better in every respect and it even fits better in pocket, despite the fact that it is bigger.
I don't know if you need it but I know I do and this is the one I EDC. The Swisstool is of the same quality but too big and boxy to be EDCable and ergonomic. With the Spirit they addressed this problem and reached percection. I carried most of my tools and Spirit with Charge TTi and Swisschamp XLT for almost a year. When I had job to do I almost always choose the Spirit instinctively.
Post by: Zed on January 29, 2015, 09:33:55 AM
Post by: hiraethus on January 29, 2015, 10:10:59 AM
What is this about blade play? Please say it is an issue so I will not have to buy a Spirit.
No, it's no big deal. You should try one. :pok:
Post by: kirk13 on January 29, 2015, 10:26:07 AM
It almost makes a SAK unnecessary though, as it's pretty much a SAK in plier based MT form, with some extras for more versatility.
That's true. It was difficult to persuade myself to leave the Swisschamp behind after decades. But the Spirit has most Swisschamp century proven tools (even the corkscrew!), most of them are more functional (longer tools, more robust prying driver, inline philips and awl, all lockable) and it adds a versatile chisel only Victorinox offers. It is flat to fit where Wave/Charge won't. Where the Wave handles dig in your palm, Spirit is like a lady's skin and with the most ergonomic handles. It opens with gravity, something none of the Leathermans does (they are stiff). It has the better spring system, a Swiss specialty. It is built as a Swiss watch, everything fits perfectly in place and clicks reassuringly. Mine stays flat for what this might worth (nothing?). It plays music for you! The wrench or ratchet option completes it and the only problem is the scissors but not for me anymore, since hiraethus solved it with the custom alox he made for me.
I can't compare it with the Wave, for me it is in the same market section with Juice. It is much better in every respect and it even fits better in pocket, despite the fact that it is bigger.
I don't know if you need it but I know I do and this is the one I EDC. The Swisstool is of the same quality but too big and boxy to be EDCable and ergonomic. With the Spirit they addressed this problem and reached percection. I carried most of my tools and Spirit with Charge TTi and Swisschamp XLT for almost a year. When I had job to do I almost always choose the Spirit instinctively.
But the Spirit doesn't have a fish scaler :ahhh
Post by: kkokkolis on January 29, 2015, 11:15:24 AM
Post by: kirk13 on January 29, 2015, 11:16:30 AM
You can use the saw.
Not on olives >:D
Post by: Mextreme on January 29, 2015, 12:30:57 PM
You can use the saw.
Not on olives >:D
The in-line awl is the work-around solution for olive retrieval. :)
Post by: kkokkolis on January 29, 2015, 01:00:49 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 01:11:38 PM
There are plenty of flaws in the Spirit (handle misalignment,, blunt nosed pliers, blade play, soft steel tools, slippery grip, odd looks) but none of the tools I've played with or researched is perfect. The Spirit is, for me at least, better than the others.
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Handle misalignment....."flaw" is really stretching it. It doesn't affect performance at all.
Blunt nose pliers is a plus if you are are a heavy duty pliers user.
Blade play...? Haven't ever seen that as a flaw.
Soft steel tools.....I'm a pretty hard user and my Spirit has held up as well as any Leatherman in that area.
Slippery grip.....OK, that's legitimate
Odd looks? Seriously...? A flaw....?
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Handle misalignment is a flaw. Granted the tool still works. That flaw is right up there with LMs plier head scratching. Does not affect performance but still a flaw.
Blade play seems to on some. My Spirit had it. So did one of my Waves. Easy fixes. Tighten the wave and smack the Spirit with a hammer. No big deal.
It all boils down to what you like.
Nate
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 01:23:02 PM
Nate
Post by: kkokkolis on January 29, 2015, 01:59:38 PM
My Surge is somewhat loose and opens (Juice too) but Skeletool and Charge don't. It helps when working to just let one scale drop and the pliers open this way. Both Vics open as if they where meant too (without being loose any other way).
Post by: Mextreme on January 29, 2015, 02:02:24 PM
Quote
Handle misalignment is a flaw. Granted the tool still works. That flaw is right up there with LMs plier head scratching. Does not affect performance but still a flaw.
Blade play seems to on some. My Spirit had it. So did one of my Waves. Easy fixes. Tighten the wave and smack the Spirit with a hammer. No big deal.
It all boils down to what you like.
Nate
A misalignment with the tongs by the handle length is increased proportionally. This offset is caused by the tolerances you can achive with casting of the plier jaws. To after treat the jaws or individually spacer the handles would through them out of market price ballpark.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Nate
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 29, 2015, 04:37:14 PM
Maybe. Still flaws. Luckily for me, they don't bother me to much. I scratch and twist them more on the first day of use than the the flaws will ever cause. And let's face it. They are tools. Use 'em.
Nate
I wouldn't define it a flaw. Same with the scuffing on the Charge heads. I'd say they were characteristics of the tools rather than flaws.
To me flaws are when an individual component has a specific defect, or when it is designed to do one thing, but doesn't ... and I seriously doubt that sitting flat on a table was ever in the design brief. That's just something that some of us tool geeks obsess about, like how central a blade sits on a folding knife in the closed position. If it's not fouling the liners, it's fine. If it's close to but not touching one side, is that a flaw? Not in my book. The way the Griptillian clips sit slightly askew to the curvature of the handle scale - is every single one flawed or is that just how they are?
A flaw is a manufacturing/functional fault, not a non-conformance to what we as users dreamed up afterwards. If you start playing that game, every inboard Leatherman is flawed because the blades and saw are orientated the "wrong way", every MP600 is flawed because of the length of the drivers, and every off-the-shelf 93mm alox SAK is flawed because it doesn't have scissors.
Examples:
The Juice saw diving to the wrong side of the awl on stowage, or the Juice scissors catching on the scales and having to be pushed home ... I might consider those flaws, because the designed action of the tool isn't working and the user has to intervene to compensate/override. The Juice bitey drivers on the other hand ... a characteristic.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 04:45:03 PM
OMG! I just agreed with Trad!
Is that a flaw? LMOA! Well he did agree with me a couple times.
Nate
Post by: eddie1115 on January 29, 2015, 04:47:56 PM
Seems like this would be a good companion for the Spirit :)You can use the saw.
Not on olives >:D
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/29/251a39f32b63ea49b00e4e032c45b800.jpg)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 29, 2015, 05:00:36 PM
Yeah that makes sense. Good points.
OMG! I just agreed with Trad!
Is that a flaw? LMOA! Well he did agree with me a couple times.
Nate
:D :D
If people don't like these various characteristic of tools, that's completely fine - we all have different tastes. It's when people start griping about QC and saying these are aspects of a tool which mean they should never be allowed out of the factory that gets my back up. It's totally wrong!
I don't like the way the handles on a ST300 or Surge sit so far apart, but that's the design of the tool. I dare say that if I sat and worked through a huge batch of them, I'd find variations between the actual splay. That doesn't mean I'm entitled to send them back as "defective" and demand another with closer handles ::)
Post by: Corwyn on January 29, 2015, 05:09:33 PM
There are plenty of flaws in the Spirit (handle misalignment,, blunt nosed pliers, blade play, soft steel tools, slippery grip, odd looks) but none of the tools I've played with or researched is perfect. The Spirit is, for me at least, better than the others.handle misalignment - meh... only noticed after you guys pointed it out and still I don't care, it doesn't affect functionality and it doesn't feel bad in hand
blunt nosed pliers - to each his own. I sometimes miss the SuperTool needlenoses but the Spirit pliers are strong, easy to grip and more versatile
blade play - what? My Spirit locks perfectly everywhere. I't's the LMs and Gerbers that rattle and shake.
soft steel tools - could be. never really abused mine.. only semi-abused her, but nothing broke or got dented. also it really really rustproof
slippery grip - I'll give you that one. I don't mind it much personally, but if you have sweaty hands or work near water, a Spirit might be unsuitable
odd looks - seriously? To me it is the most beautiful thing to ever unfold to a plier.
Post by: Amedio on January 29, 2015, 05:13:31 PM
QuoteHandle misalignment is a flaw. Granted the tool still works. That flaw is right up there with LMs plier head scratching. Does not affect performance but still a flaw.
Blade play seems to on some. My Spirit had it. So did one of my Waves. Easy fixes. Tighten the wave and smack the Spirit with a hammer. No big deal.
It all boils down to what you like.
Nate
A misalignment with the tongs by the handle length is increased proportionally. This offset is caused by the tolerances you can achive with casting of the plier jaws. To after treat the jaws or individually spacer the handles would through them out of market price ballpark.
I think the misalignment is not a tolerance problem. The cast should not be a problem, they are machined after casting and the machining tolerances are much tighter than casting. All spirits I have checked sit flat on a table when opened (opened to use the pliers) and wobble when closed. If it was a tolerance problem, chances are some of them would wobble when opened too.
I think the misalignment is deliberated, but I don't know the reason. In the "Bad Swisstool Spirit?" thread you can find different theories, this is my guess:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,47468.msg1025724.html#msg1025724
Post by: Mextreme on January 29, 2015, 05:57:16 PM
Maybe. Still flaws. Luckily for me, they don't bother me to much. I scratch and twist them more on the first day of use than the the flaws will ever cause. And let's face it. They are tools. Use 'em.
Nate
I think what you say, has to do with expectations. You expect more and percive everything else as a flaw.
However if it is within the procuct specification of the tool it is not a flaw. They surely have very detailed requirment specifications and tests of the tools´ all aspects. Products that fall outside this is have one ore several flaws. Victorinox clearly says this issue is within their specification and is not a flaw.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 06:16:23 PM
I like Trad's take on it better.
Also for the record, I don't think the spirit is junk. While Trad and I like to take fun jabs at each other, the Swiss Spirit is a fine tool. I tend to like my Surges and SOGs. But that is me.
Nate
Post by: enki_ck on January 29, 2015, 06:22:48 PM
I was hoping they'd change that with the new surge but alas it's still there.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 29, 2015, 06:50:15 PM
The rubbing of the pliers doesn't bother me in the slightest. The diamond file rubbing on the scales on wave, charge, surge however ... :rant:You and me both. It is the one thing that does kinda bother me.
I was hoping they'd change that with the new surge but alas it's still there.
Nate
Post by: Mextreme on January 29, 2015, 09:00:17 PM
QuoteHandle misalignment is a flaw. Granted the tool still works. That flaw is right up there with LMs plier head scratching. Does not affect performance but still a flaw.
Blade play seems to on some. My Spirit had it. So did one of my Waves. Easy fixes. Tighten the wave and smack the Spirit with a hammer. No big deal.
It all boils down to what you like.
Nate
A misalignment with the tongs by the handle length is increased proportionally. This offset is caused by the tolerances you can achive with casting of the plier jaws. To after treat the jaws or individually spacer the handles would through them out of market price ballpark.
I think the misalignment is not a tolerance problem. The cast should not be a problem, they are machined after casting and the machining tolerances are much tighter than casting. All spirits I have checked sit flat on a table when opened (opened to use the pliers) and wobble when closed. If it was a tolerance problem, chances are some of them would wobble when opened too.
I think the misalignment is deliberated, but I don't know the reason. In the "Bad Swisstool Spirit?" thread you can find different theories, this is my guess:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,47468.msg1025724.html#msg1025724
The tolerance problem is how Robert Elsener, quality manager at Victorinox described it in a German forum he is active in. He normally seem very honest. He is also active in the Victorinox collector´s Facebook group, which is english, if you want to ask him more details.:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAKCollectors/
Here is Mr. Elsener:
https://www.facebook.com/robert.elsener?fref=ts
He always answers if you send him a p.m.
It was also necessary to pair individual handles with plier heads because of corresponiding tolerances to minimize the problem.
He also wrote it is not a flaw but within the spec they work and has no importance whatsoever for a user.
Post by: kkokkolis on January 29, 2015, 10:24:46 PM
Post by: Amedio on January 30, 2015, 12:44:04 AM
The tolerance problem is how Robert Elsener, quality manager at Victorinox described it in a German forum he is active in. He normally seem very honest. He is also active in the Victorinox collector´s Facebook group, which is english, if you want to ask him more details.:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAKCollectors/
Here is Mr. Elsener:
https://www.facebook.com/robert.elsener?fref=ts
He always answers if you send him a p.m.
It was also necessary to pair individual handles with plier heads because of corresponiding tolerances to minimize the problem.
He also wrote it is not a flaw but within the spec they work and has no importance whatsoever for a user.
I he said so I am obviously wrong, but it is surprising that the misalignment affects only on one position.
Post by: ducttapetech on January 30, 2015, 12:46:51 AM
Regarding "misalignment" (or "offset design") I believe we are searching for a needle in the straw as we say here (and without a magnet or metal detector). Spirit is a masterpiece, a work of art. Not everyone likes art of course.Art is in the eye of the beholder.
Nate
Post by: BASguy on January 30, 2015, 03:00:55 AM
Post by: ducttapetech on January 30, 2015, 03:11:52 AM
True enough.
Nate
Post by: Kampfer on January 30, 2015, 05:45:02 AM
Post by: eddie1115 on January 30, 2015, 05:48:05 AM
Post by: Kampfer on January 30, 2015, 05:48:45 AM
I have one on the way :)Hard to find one on sale. :shrug:
Post by: eddie1115 on January 30, 2015, 05:49:40 AM
I have one on the way :)Hard to find one on sale. :shrug:
I picked up mine from a member on here, lucked out that way.
Post by: Kampfer on January 30, 2015, 05:52:39 AM
That is the Spirit! :tu:I have one on the way :)Hard to find one on sale. :shrug:
I picked up mine from a member on here, lucked out that way.
Post by: eddie1115 on January 30, 2015, 05:53:56 AM
I've got Spirit! ...almost...That is the Spirit! :tu:I have one on the way :)Hard to find one on sale. :shrug:
I picked up mine from a member on here, lucked out that way.
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on January 30, 2015, 06:21:50 AM
Good thing there is some kind of issue with Amazon at the moment or I would have prolly bought one. Not sure what is wrong, maybe a misprint or typos but they are showing 90 dollars for one.
Will see about getting one once they get the error sorted.
Post by: Kampfer on January 30, 2015, 08:38:28 AM
Post by: Monrogue on January 30, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
Post by: Cupboard on January 31, 2015, 02:43:08 PM
Then add in pliers that are too fat to use for things I can use Leatherman pliers for and I'm never going to carry it.
If they put a Leatherman shaped plier head in I'd be much more likely to carry it, but I prefer Leatherman tools too. Fit and finish of the Spirit, tools of a Leatherman, outside opening and ergonomics of a Spirit (but with handle closeness of an MP600), I'd like that.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 31, 2015, 03:29:49 PM
I still like the Spirit's tools though, and can't think of any I'd really like to see replaced (other than maybe the scissors with standard Vic ones)
Post by: Cupboard on January 31, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
Yeah, stranded wire is where the Spirit is at a disadvantage. The scissors (assuming you haven't got an S model) will save the day, but that's hardly a solution if you're cutting large-ish stranded wire with any frequency.
Which I am. That reminds me, I've been meaning to take the replaceable bits out of my wire cutters to see if I can sharpen them to make cutting easier.
The only other thing I've found that the pliers can't do that a LM typically can is "pretend" to be a panel key. I have opened a few (older) electrical panels in the past with a LM or Gerber to reset a breaker, by having the points of the pliers wide enough to engage and turn the lock. Only worked on some panels though.
I do that all the time. I don't carry a panel key round with me, but I have lots of panels round the place that need opening.
I still like the Spirit's tools though, and can't think of any I'd really like to see replaced (other than maybe the scissors with standard Vic ones)
I do like the Vic tools and it's a good selection. I think I prefer the Leatherman ones (selection of the Spirit, materials of the Leatherman: my Spirit Phillips driver is more damaged with less work than any Leatherman one I have) but have no problem with the Vic ones. For some reason I think I prefer Wave scissors to 91mm SAK ones, but they're both much better than the Spirit ones which are in turn much better than SOG ones.
Post by: BASguy on January 31, 2015, 09:08:27 PM
Yeah, stranded wire is where the Spirit is at a disadvantage. The scissors (assuming you haven't got an S model) will save the day, but that's hardly a solution if you're cutting large-ish stranded wire with any frequency. The only other thing I've found that the pliers can't do that a LM typically can is "pretend" to be a panel key. I have opened a few (older) electrical panels in the past with a LM or Gerber to reset a breaker, by having the points of the pliers wide enough to engage and turn the lock. Only worked on some panels though.I work on electrical controls all day, every day, and carry a Spirit on my hip. It's a great tool for so many things you run into when your not lugging your tool bag around. With that being said, when I'm stripping stranded wire I'm gonna be using a proper wire stripper.....always. No multi tool is made for precision electrical work. The Leatherman ES in my pocket gets the occasional call to arms in an emergency situation, but it's not something I'd use if I had any other choice.
I still like the Spirit's tools though, and can't think of any I'd really like to see replaced (other than maybe the scissors with standard Vic ones)
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Post by: Zed on February 02, 2015, 01:19:48 PM
thanks again kirky,oh its all your fault you know :D
Post by: kirk13 on February 02, 2015, 01:21:22 PM
Post by: Zed on February 02, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
>:D >:D >:D
:D too be honest,since mainly carrying a sak,ive got use to vics quality, the og wave was my first plier based mt,although ive tried many lm's,sogs,gerber etc,i had a swisstool but found it bulky,but did love the way it worked,the spirit has all the tools i like and more,plus its compact,and its defently a looker :D i do like the look of the chisel/wire stripper tool,i look forward too trying this out :salute:
Post by: magentus on February 02, 2015, 02:22:37 PM
>:D >:D >:D
:D too be honest,since mainly carrying a sak,ive got use to vics quality, the og wave was my first plier based mt,although ive tried many lm's,sogs,gerber etc,i had a swisstool but found it bulky,but did love the way it worked,the spirit has all the tools i like and more,plus its compact,and its defently a looker :D i do like the look of the chisel/wire stripper tool,i look forward too trying this out :salute:
Look, all we want to know is..... does it sit flat on the table? :facepalm:
joking aside, I'm interested to know what you reckon to it. Having only ever had a Spirit I can't imagine looking at anything else except a full sized Swisstool. The quality seems head and shoulders above everything else.
No disrespect to LM/SOG/Gerber etc fans out there.
Post by: Zed on February 02, 2015, 02:28:11 PM
>:D >:D >:D
:D too be honest,since mainly carrying a sak,ive got use to vics quality, the og wave was my first plier based mt,although ive tried many lm's,sogs,gerber etc,i had a swisstool but found it bulky,but did love the way it worked,the spirit has all the tools i like and more,plus its compact,and its defently a looker :D i do like the look of the chisel/wire stripper tool,i look forward too trying this out :salute:
Look, all we want to know is..... does it sit flat on the table? :facepalm:
joking aside, I'm interested to know what you reckon to it. Having only ever had a Spirit I can't imagine looking at anything else except a full sized Swisstool. The quality seems head and shoulders above everything else.
No disrespect to LM/SOG/Gerber etc fans out there.
lol,its flatish,but im use to the waves rattle so this is nothing in comparison,time will tell :tu:
Post by: Zed on February 02, 2015, 04:32:39 PM
Post by: magentus on February 02, 2015, 04:47:01 PM
Kirkys spirit paired with my farmer :tu:
You can saw 2 things at once!
Or saw one thing and file another...
Or saw something while you open a can
Open 2 cans at once - dinner and pudding
Hack one thing to pieces while repairing another entirely different thing....
unscrew/screw up 2 things at once
Shall I stop now? :facepalm:
Post by: Zed on February 02, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
Post by: kirk13 on February 02, 2015, 05:05:32 PM
:rofl: i get the point :D or I could use both awls as corn on the cob skewers :D
Neat!
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 03, 2015, 04:05:42 AM
Kirkys spirit paired with my farmer :tu:
You can saw 2 things at once!
Or saw one thing and file another...
Or saw something while you open a can
Open 2 cans at once - dinner and pudding
Hack one thing to pieces while repairing another entirely different thing....
unscrew/screw up 2 things at once
Shall I stop now? :facepalm:
No please continue.
Post by: bitterchan on February 03, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on February 03, 2015, 01:52:34 PM
Nate
Post by: Zed on February 04, 2015, 09:49:59 AM
So how are you liking it Zed?
Nate
well nate i dont like it ::) ok i love it :D ive no need for oho anymore ,my og wave lives in a box these days ,and although the spirit has a locking blade (not uk friendly) its a much less lethal looking blade,now the big $100 question, would i swap it for a wave, :think: ive still not decided that,but would i carry one daily,the answer is definitely, the other appeal is its much slimmer than the wave and xe6, i would miss the diamond file but the spirit makes up for that in other ways,for me the wave more than does the job and has done for me since 98,but the spirit does it with more style and finesse, basically im sold :D
Post by: ducttapetech on February 04, 2015, 09:56:04 AM
Nate
Post by: magentus on February 04, 2015, 09:56:37 AM
Glad to hear you like it and are finding it useful.
Mine is propping up my wobbly table at home - it's perfect flatness is just right.
Post by: Zed on February 04, 2015, 10:02:47 AM
Come to the dark side, we have Spirits...........
Glad to hear you like it and are finding it useful.
Mine is propping up my wobbly table at home - it's perfect flatness is just right.
:rofl:
Post by: Monrogue on February 04, 2015, 03:04:45 PM
Post by: HarleyXJGuy on February 04, 2015, 08:41:29 PM
Come to the dark side, we have Spirits...........
Glad to hear you like it and are finding it useful.
Mine is propping up my wobbly table at home - it's perfect flatness is just right.
:facepalm:
Post by: BASguy on February 05, 2015, 03:29:16 AM
So how are you liking it Zed?
Nate
well nate i dont like it ::) ok i love it :D ive no need for oho anymore ,my og wave lives in a box these days ,and although the spirit has a locking blade (not uk friendly) its a much less lethal looking blade,now the big $100 question, would i swap it for a wave, :think: ive still not decided that,but would i carry one daily,the answer is definitely, the other appeal is its much slimmer than the wave and xe6, i would miss the diamond file but the spirit makes up for that in other ways,for me the wave more than does the job and has done for me since 98,but the spirit does it with more style and finesse, basically im sold :D
I recently retired my OGW for a Spirit.... No going back
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Post by: kirk13 on February 05, 2015, 09:32:39 AM
So how are you liking it Zed?
Nate
well nate i dont like it ::) ok i love it :D ive no need for oho anymore ,my og wave lives in a box these days ,and although the spirit has a locking blade (not uk friendly) its a much less lethal looking blade,now the big $100 question, would i swap it for a wave, :think: ive still not decided that,but would i carry one daily,the answer is definitely, the other appeal is its much slimmer than the wave and xe6, i would miss the diamond file but the spirit makes up for that in other ways,for me the wave more than does the job and has done for me since 98,but the spirit does it with more style and finesse, basically im sold :D
I recently retired my OGW for a Spirit.... No going back
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That's a big endorsement :tu:
Post by: Zed on February 05, 2015, 09:46:58 AM
my og wave is pretty much retired these days,the xe6 is ok but bulky,the spirit is sooo shinny :tu:
Post by: ducttapetech on February 05, 2015, 11:29:51 AM
Nate
Post by: zoidberg on February 05, 2015, 11:34:07 AM
Im glad you like it. I never could get alone with it. It is a very nice tool and well built.
Nate
:rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on February 05, 2015, 01:27:29 PM
Nate
Post by: Monrogue on February 05, 2015, 03:16:42 PM
Im glad you like it. I never could get alone with it. It is a very nice tool and well built.
Nate
:rofl:
What Nate does on his own time is his business - no judgment :whistle:
Post by: magentus on February 05, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
Im glad you like it. I never could get alone with it. It is a very nice tool and well built.
Nate
:rofl:
What Nate does on his own time is his business - no judgment :whistle:
I think Nate may well be a 'multiphiliac' - don't lend him any of your MT's - they won't come back the same. He will sully them.
Post by: Monrogue on February 05, 2015, 03:28:46 PM
Im glad you like it. I never could get alone with it. It is a very nice tool and well built.
Nate
:rofl:
What Nate does on his own time is his business - no judgment :whistle:
I think Nate may well be a 'multiphiliac' - don't lend him any of your MT's - they won't come back the same. He will sully them.
:rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on February 05, 2015, 03:32:41 PM
Nate
Post by: Zed on February 05, 2015, 05:01:49 PM
Post by: sawman on February 05, 2015, 05:25:20 PM
Post by: Zed on February 05, 2015, 05:28:31 PM
You bastahd's!! Now I want a Spirit :rant:
you know who's fault that is :D
Post by: sawman on February 05, 2015, 05:30:05 PM
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/blamekirky_zps92b2ebee.png)You bastahd's!! Now I want a Spirit :rant:
you know who's fault that is :D
Post by: Zed on February 05, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx122/50ft-trad/blamekirky_zps92b2ebee.png)You bastahd's!! Now I want a Spirit :rant:
you know who's fault that is :D
thats the one :D