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Outdoor Section => The Axe Hole => Topic started by: daverobson on August 18, 2017, 09:22:21 PM
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Our resident axe experts will probably have seen this but I've only just come across it.
A Finnish inventor has redesigned the axe! To stop immediately on impact.
No more chopped legs.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623425/Inventor-comes-redesign-axe-8-000-years-curved-blade-stops-swinging-straight-wood-leg.html
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I have seen clips of that in use, and it seems that it could be a strain on the wrists, and only has one function (splitting). Personally I feel happier with traditional patterns :salute:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4I3i36IJrY
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I don't think I would like how it twists on impact. I would have to hold it tight enough to swing without flinging but loose enough to allow it to twist without hurting my wrists. I too prefer the traditional designs. Perhaps they've been around essentially unchanged for so long for a reason.
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How does it split the wood all the way through again? The wedge width?
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How does it split the wood all the way through again? The wedge width?
Watch the slow motion video - it seems the blade striking at an angle and prising the wood apart works better than forcing the blade vertically through the wood.
Its centre of gravity, which isn't directly above the blade but to the side, means the axe automatically comes down at an angle to split the wood.
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I am not chopping wood, so no expert. However, from observation, there are a few potential issues with this design:
- Strain on the wrist, as others pointed out: this design works like a shovel, but side way. The handle would rotate a bit in your hand
- Chopping only on one side: The blade curves toward left or right, depending on the design. I think one of your shoulder will hurt more than the other at the end of the day.
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Perhaps they could make one where the handle stays as is and the head rotates upon striking the wood. :think:
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Perhaps they could make one where the handle stays as is and the head rotates upon striking the wood. :think:
I think the head would turn prematurely from the momentum on the downswing
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The inventor became a member here and kept linking to his page without permission and eventually got banned because he wouldn't listen to the mods and Grant about linking :facepalm: Most thoughts about it were the same as the above comments as well :cheers: :D
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This guy rips it apart at the end :facepalm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_s3Ci1Dl0s
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:oops: + :oops:
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perhaps we should ask this delightful lady what she thinks about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWo0P0MdJM
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perhaps we should ask this delightful lady what she thinks about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWo0P0MdJM
Firstly: barefooted axe-girls... :dd:
Secondly: Also striking at an angle (or flicking it sideways), perhaps more easily done with a double bit as the centre of mass doesn't move when rotating.
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:dd:
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What those guys said above that vid
:dd:
:like: :like:
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I really shouldn't, but
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perhaps we should ask this delightful lady what she thinks about it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fWo0P0MdJM
Thats impressive!
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Honestly, I think I like the Kindling Cracker (https://www.kindlingcracker.com/) much better.... although I haven't tried either of them.
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Honestly, I think I like the Kindling Cracker (https://www.kindlingcracker.com/) much better.... although I haven't tried either of them.
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That's the first time I've seen the Kindling Cracker. :tu:
Good idea for a home wood burning stove or a larger camp site.
I'm not sure if I could take one wild camping or backpacking. :think:
I'd prefer the Barefoot Axe Girl :like:
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^^^ I agree.
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That Kindling cracker might be onto something
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Honestly, I think I like the Kindling Cracker (https://www.kindlingcracker.com/) much better.... although I haven't tried either of them.
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That's the first time I've seen the Kindling Cracker. :tu:
Good idea for a home wood burning stove or a larger camp site.
I'm not sure if I could take one wild camping or backpacking. :think:
I'd prefer the Barefoot Axe Girl :like:
Even then it's still a solution looking for a problem, if it's too thin to stand up and slit from the end, just lay it flat on another piece and split one end of it, then twist axe handle and wood in opposite direction to finish splitting.
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The intention of the kindling cracker is to make cutting kindling safer.
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I know this rambles on for the first 9 minutes but this is how my Grandad used to cut his firewood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_lMbV-Bm7c
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The intention of the kindling cracker is to make cutting kindling safer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-RhakR3Hg8
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Same splitting tips in this video too (from about 2 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W6r5U7yBE
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Same splitting tips in this video too (from about 2 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W6r5U7yBE
Yep exactly that, all that's necessary is a different way to hold the wood instead of $150 lump of cast iron plus a club hammer.
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Same splitting tips in this video too (from about 2 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5W6r5U7yBE
Yep exactly that, all that's necessary is a different way to hold the wood instead of $150 lump of cast iron plus a club hammer.
Or they can simply invest in a splitting maul or splitting axe (supposedly there is a difference between the two :think: )
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serous 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
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Yep exactly that, all that's necessary is a different way to hold the wood instead of $150 lump of cast iron plus a club hammer.
I would hate to think what the shipping costs are. Perhaps shipping from Down Under (where I assume they are all made) to North America is a component of that $150 too.
Around home (when I had a fire) I would usually collect dead branches and prunings and store them to dry out for kindling. Easy to break up with a sturdy pair of gloves. No need to split wood into kindling. Out camping is a different story though, and you wouldn't want to carry a Kindling Cracker out there.
Anyway, kinda off-topic as the lever axe thingy is more about splitting bigger wood.
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Oh and
:nanadance: :nanadance: :nanadance:
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More than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to split kindling. Choose the method that suits you the best.
I used to use a hatchet and made kindling from old cut up fence palings. All depends on what you have available too.
Oh, and a Gransfors Buks Small Forest Axe in Australia can be over $200, so price is a factor on your choice wherever you are
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More than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to split kindling. Choose the method that suits you the best.
I used to use a hatchet and made kindling from old cut up fence palings. All depends on what you have available too.
Oh, and a Gransfors Buks Small Forest Axe in Australia can be over $200, so price is a factor on your choice wherever you are
Yeah, that's a pricey axe for sure. If anyone is looking for a good budget option, I keep hearing good things about the Fiskars X7. Don't have one yet myself though.
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More than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to split kindling. Choose the method that suits you the best.
I used to use a hatchet and made kindling from old cut up fence palings. All depends on what you have available too.
Oh, and a Gransfors Buks Small Forest Axe in Australia can be over $200, so price is a factor on your choice wherever you are
Yeah, that's a pricey axe for sure. If anyone is looking for a good budget option, I keep hearing good things about the Fiskars X7. Don't have one yet myself though.
I haven't tried one myself but for a good budget option there could be the Husqvarna 576 92 64-01 Hatchet.
Available in the UK for £21.95 :ahhh
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Husqvarna-Hatchet-Axe-Firewood-Kindling-Bushcraft-Camping-576-92-64-01-/132314351092?hash=item1ece8cc5f4:g:SnUAAOSwK6RZMYeQ
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serous 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
Considering your health that was an extremely wise investment. How heavy and difficult to set up is the splitter?
More than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to split kindling. Choose the method that suits you the best.
I used to use a hatchet and made kindling from old cut up fence palings. All depends on what you have available too.
Oh, and a Gransfors Buks Small Forest Axe in Australia can be over $200, so price is a factor on your choice wherever you are
Yeah, that's a pricey axe for sure. If anyone is looking for a good budget option, I keep hearing good things about the Fiskars X7. Don't have one yet myself though.
I haven't tried one myself but for a good budget option there could be the Husqvarna 576 92 64-01 Hatchet.
Available in the UK for £21.95 :ahhh
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Husqvarna-Hatchet-Axe-Firewood-Kindling-Bushcraft-Camping-576-92-64-01-/132314351092?hash=item1ece8cc5f4:g:SnUAAOSwK6RZMYeQ
Well supposedly they are on the heavy side with a thick handle. Nut that also depends on the reviewer (some will poopoo on anything under $100, even if by giving very underhanded compliments).
Fiskars is a solid inexpensive brand, in the US Council tool has a very solid inexpensive line. Sadly I don't know of any inexpensive lines or brands that can be found world wide. Perhaps Bahco has something
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Fiskars is a solid inexpensive brand, in the US Council tool has a very solid inexpensive line. Sadly I don't know of any inexpensive lines or brands that can be found world wide. Perhaps Bahco has something
Possibly this one?
https://www.amazon.com/Bahco-HGPS-Standard-Hand-Axes/dp/B06Y5XXHBP
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More than one way to skin a cat, and more than one way to split kindling. Choose the method that suits you the best.
I used to use a hatchet and made kindling from old cut up fence palings. All depends on what you have available too.
Oh, and a Gransfors Buks Small Forest Axe in Australia can be over $200, so price is a factor on your choice wherever you are
Yeah, that's a pricey axe for sure. If anyone is looking for a good budget option, I keep hearing good things about the Fiskars X7. Don't have one yet myself though.
I haven't tried one myself but for a good budget option there could be the Husqvarna 576 92 64-01 Hatchet.
Available in the UK for £21.95 :ahhh
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Husqvarna-Hatchet-Axe-Firewood-Kindling-Bushcraft-Camping-576-92-64-01-/132314351092?hash=item1ece8cc5f4:g:SnUAAOSwK6RZMYeQ
I can't talk about the Husky hatchet, but it looked very rough for the only available offering at my local dealer, and $48 or $49 AUD, so not so far off your Pounds conversion. The Husky Forest Axe was $77, and I did buy that. The Fiskars X7 14" is $65 at the local big box store, and for 5 bucks more at the same place you can get an Aussie brand Cyclone 2kg felling axe (modern version of my Hytest 4.5lb). So we don't really get the Fiskars products for that great a price
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Fiskars is a solid inexpensive brand, in the US Council tool has a very solid inexpensive line. Sadly I don't know of any inexpensive lines or brands that can be found world wide. Perhaps Bahco has something
Possibly this one?
https://www.amazon.com/Bahco-HGPS-Standard-Hand-Axes/dp/B06Y5XXHBP
Possibly. But who knows how good it is. What about garage sales, swap meets or similar things that might be going on locally? You could get an old head and heft it
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serious 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
Considering your health that was an extremely wise investment. How heavy and difficult to set up is the splitter?
Yep, I'm happy with the results. It is a bit heavy to lift one end, but once you get it up in the air a bit it is pretty easy to move, as most of the weight is then on the wheels, not on the end you are lifting. I don't think I'd like to move it too far on a sloping surface as it does weigh over 100kg so it would be hard going pushing it uphill, with a distinct tendency to run away downhill..
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serious 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
Considering your health that was an extremely wise investment. How heavy and difficult to set up is the splitter?
Yep, I'm happy with the results. It is a bit heavy to lift one end, but once you get it up in the air a bit it is pretty easy to move, as most of the weight is then on the wheels, not on the end you are lifting. I don't think I'd like to move it too far on a sloping surface as it does weigh over 100kg so it would be hard going pushing it uphill, with a distinct tendency to run away downhill..
I'm guessing that putting it sideways wouldn't work
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Watching this at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_s3Ci1Dl0s
Although reading some of the comments, perhaps it is not being used correctly?
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This looks like a better way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H10hVHCb-Ts
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Or you can split it on the ground
https://youtu.be/uuSObiRra0Y
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Watching this at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_s3Ci1Dl0s
Although reading some of the comments, perhaps it is not being used correctly?
"I'm not a fanboy of manufacturers..." *
*Unless it's Gransfors Bruks, then I'm all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake.
Yeah, I wouldn't pay 350USD for that thing either
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This looks like a better way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H10hVHCb-Ts
I agree with you, some good tips in that vid
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serious 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
Considering your health that was an extremely wise investment. How heavy and difficult to set up is the splitter?
Yep, I'm happy with the results. It is a bit heavy to lift one end, but once you get it up in the air a bit it is pretty easy to move, as most of the weight is then on the wheels, not on the end you are lifting. I don't think I'd like to move it too far on a sloping surface as it does weigh over 100kg so it would be hard going pushing it uphill, with a distinct tendency to run away downhill..
I'm guessing that putting it sideways wouldn't work
Not if you needed to move it uphill or downhill ???
Thankfully I decided to use it very near where I store it, I did consider moving to near my woodpile, but it is too heavy and awkward to do that every time I want to use it, and i don't want to leave it anywhere it could be easily stolen.
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A few months ago I did what I was told by my health professional and bought an electric powered kinetic log splitter. In a couple of hours work today I split more firewood than I could have in a serious 1/2 a day with either my maul or my splitting axe (and a lot of it was curly grain eucalyptus which can be a real pain to split). I can still move (albeit with a slightly stiff back) so while expensive it was money well spent.
Considering your health that was an extremely wise investment. How heavy and difficult to set up is the splitter?
Yep, I'm happy with the results. It is a bit heavy to lift one end, but once you get it up in the air a bit it is pretty easy to move, as most of the weight is then on the wheels, not on the end you are lifting. I don't think I'd like to move it too far on a sloping surface as it does weigh over 100kg so it would be hard going pushing it uphill, with a distinct tendency to run away downhill..
I'm guessing that putting it sideways wouldn't work
Not if you needed to move it uphill or downhill ???
Thankfully I decided to use it very near where I store it, I did consider moving to near my woodpile, but it is too heavy and awkward to do that every time I want to use it, and i don't want to leave it anywhere it could be easily stolen.
well at this point I really have no helpful insights, suggestions or questions. Constantly having to move that thing around would defeat the purpose of getting it to save your back. wait, you have to pick it up from the ground... maybe a technique change in picking it up could help out a little?
Or you can split it on the ground
https://youtu.be/uuSObiRra0Y
That looks like something that requires a bit of experience. Oddly enough I was very close to getting banned on another forum because of a guy who was machoing it up at a meet using a similar technique. From the video they shot it was obvious that he was just taking wild swings. And one of those ended up in his foot. Not a pretty sight. One of the first time I used the phrase "if you don't have a countdown clock then you can spare the 5 extra minutes to think".
Now that is not to say the technique is bad. Just that a novice shouldn't rush into it. Take it slow, be deliberate, look at the details and don't use it when you're beat and have sweat (or anything else) mucking up your vision if you've never done it. And if you have take it even slower because most big mistakes happen on the 100th hour. Although this can be applied to pretty much everything.Watching this at the moment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_s3Ci1Dl0s
Although reading some of the comments, perhaps it is not being used correctly?
"I'm not a fanboy of manufacturers..." *
*Unless it's Gransfors Bruks, then I'm all over that like a fat kid on a cupcake.
Yeah, I wouldn't pay 350USD for that thing either
Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BifhPJV1U&t=5s
I really like this guy's simple no bs mentality
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Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BifhPJV1U&t=5s
I really like this guy's simple no bs mentality
I have seen that one, I've been binging on a lot of his vids lately.
"My Honda is Jacked Up!.... On bricks!"
He does make a good point about not buying into the hype and expectation that you buy an expensive tool you'll be a better axeman. Learn on something cheaper and affordable, learn how to sharpen it and look after it, if you smurf it up, who cares? You learnt something without wasting lots of money. If I had a chance to own a GB axe I wouldn't say no, but I can't justify to myself to shell out 200 buckeroos for one right now.
An Aussie handle manufacturer Krugers sells a Bonser axe for $31, it's probably Chinese steel, dunno, but still less than half the cost of the equivalent Cyclone tool, and probably still better than the Cyclone budget Trojan (made in China) option as it would have a decent Aussie spotted gum handle on it
http://www.krugers.com.au/store/p14/4lb_Axe_with_Spotted_Gum_handle.html
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Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BifhPJV1U&t=5s
I really like this guy's simple no bs mentality
I have seen that one, I've been binging on a lot of his vids lately.
"My Honda is Jacked Up!.... On bricks!"
He does make a good point about not buying into the hype and expectation that you buy an expensive tool you'll be a better axeman. Learn on something cheaper and affordable, learn how to sharpen it and look after it, if you smurf it up, who cares? You learnt something without wasting lots of money. If I had a chance to own a GB axe I wouldn't say no, but I can't justify to myself to shell out 200 buckeroos for one right now.
An Aussie handle manufacturer Krugers sells a Bonser axe for $31, it's probably Chinese steel, dunno, but still less than half the cost of the equivalent Cyclone tool, and probably still better than the Cyclone budget Trojan (made in China) option as it would have a decent Aussie spotted gum handle on it
http://www.krugers.com.au/store/p14/4lb_Axe_with_Spotted_Gum_handle.html
Well I'm still wondering how my grandfather managed to buck and split so much wood over the years with a second hand fire axe.
I really should hit the flea market
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Here is a very thorough review of a Fiskars hatchet and some comparisons to the Gransfors bruks Wildlife hatchet
http://www.cliffstamp.com/knives/reviews/fiskars_hatchet.html
Now if given the choice I'd rather take the Wildlife but the price being the main deterrent
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Have you seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9BifhPJV1U&t=5s
I really like this guy's simple no bs mentality
... this is what it's about, right, is getting work done. Or is it? Maybe it's not...
;)
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99% of people locally have a horrifically dull axe in the general vicinity of the BBQ area, so dull that accidental hits could cause bruising and broken bones, but no cuts :facepalm:
Reason being we buy bags of local hardwood cut into 30cm'sh pieces, split or not depending on the size of the branch.
Batoning, be it with a knife or an axe is the safest and least effort way, and practically unknown locally.
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Ha, guess what I found while sorting through old files on my computer, I saved this from probably 10+ years ago. No fancy axe/holder here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKhJa2SEYW4
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Just checked the price on Fiskars x7. Not a bad, will have to start looking for it. A big part for me is the lower maintenance because of the handle
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Just checked the price on Fiskars x7. Not a bad, will have to start looking for it. A big part for me is the lower maintenance because of the handle
What sort of price range for you? It appeals as a good car option, no need to worry about the handle drying out. Well a fibreglass handle would be the same too
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Just checked the price on Fiskars x7. Not a bad, will have to start looking for it. A big part for me is the lower maintenance because of the handle
What sort of price range for you? It appeals as a good car option, no need to worry about the handle drying out. Well a fibreglass handle would be the same too
Most stores are about 300 on it. I found some that are closer to 200 though which is the same price of 2 Mora Companions
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Just checked the price on Fiskars x7. Not a bad, will have to start looking for it. A big part for me is the lower maintenance because of the handle
What sort of price range for you? It appeals as a good car option, no need to worry about the handle drying out. Well a fibreglass handle would be the same too
Most stores are about 300 on it. I found some that are closer to 200 though which is the same price of 2 Mora Companions
Yeah, if you can get it for 200 that sounds better. About AUD40, when we pay about AUD65
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Just checked the price on Fiskars x7. Not a bad, will have to start looking for it. A big part for me is the lower maintenance because of the handle
What sort of price range for you? It appeals as a good car option, no need to worry about the handle drying out. Well a fibreglass handle would be the same too
Most stores are about 300 on it. I found some that are closer to 200 though which is the same price of 2 Mora Companions
Yeah, if you can get it for 200 that sounds better. About AUD40, when we pay about AUD65
Amazing how prices are similar on opposite sides of the worlds
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UK price for the X7 from Amazon is £29.99
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fiskars-121423-X7-XSmall-Chopping/dp/B00YKUG032
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UK price for the X7 from Amazon is £29.99
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fiskars-121423-X7-XSmall-Chopping/dp/B00YKUG032
Still cheaper, about $50, but the UK is a lot closer to Finland
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wct4D-iYFeo
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that does look weird