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Title: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2017, 01:49:35 AM
For those not familiar, Naked and Afraid is a show where they take a man and a woman, strip them naked and dump them in the woods, tell swamp or the jungle to see if they can survive for 21 days.

Each person is allowed to take one item I to the woods with them. Usually it's a knife and a firestarter, or occasionally a pot for boiling water.

What would be your one item?  And what would you hope your partner would bring?

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: ironraven on February 26, 2017, 03:16:16 AM
If only one... I might actually go with the pot. I can make a knife. I can make sparks by making the knife, or maybe I'll finally after decades of trying get a firebow right. But I can't make a pot very well.

Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2017, 03:33:46 AM
I have often commented that they should have a third person there so they can have a fire starter, a pot and a knife.  It's a discussion that Megan and I have had repeatedly while we've been binge watching the show lately.

I also look at it as kind of silly because for the most part, they really aren't surviving, they are just postponing death for 21 days.  They routinely lose anywhere between 15 and 40 pounds, end up dehydrated and dirty, just waiting for infection to set in.  If they were required to survive longer than 21 days I doubt most of them would make it.

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: chrono on February 26, 2017, 04:28:52 AM
Which season are you watching, boss? If I remember correctly, participants were allowed 2 items in the latest season. The show is staged though, emphasizing so much about drama, with very survival lesson value. Discovery used to have something worth watching. Nowadays, it is following the reality train wreck. Real shame.

Back to the question, for two people in a jungles with water source, I feel mosquito nest is a useful item to have. Other is a blade by default.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Syncop8r on February 26, 2017, 06:24:08 AM
I might choose differently depending on the location.
A third person would upset the "fantasy" they are trying to sell. Unless...

It's disturbing how many of the contestants call themselves "Survival Instructors" given how useless they appear.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Old Boy on February 26, 2017, 06:39:13 AM
I havent watched all of them yet, but it seems to me the couple that has a knife seem to fare a bit better regardless of the pot, with all things being equal.

So maybe a knife. But yeah if you got the skills then it doesnt matter. You can always make a knife, a pot, etc.

Whoever that is, when the zombies plague hits, can I be like your best bud?
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: dks on February 26, 2017, 06:40:07 AM
Soft porn disguised as survival. Like it would greatly affect their survival tactics if they had some light clothes on. I saw bits of it, mainly to check the women out, which is why most people watch it and the reason the participants are naked. I do not bother with it. I think they were totally nude at the time, a few years ago.

A light, knife, SAK, TV and solar panels would be useful. And some clothes if they want to be taken seriously, which they do not.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: kaput on February 26, 2017, 06:40:42 AM
Which season are you watching, boss? If I remember correctly, participants were allowed 2 items in the latest season. The show is staged though, emphasizing so much about drama, with very survival lesson value. Discovery used to have something worth watching. Nowadays, it is following the reality train wreck. Real shame.

Back to the question, for two people in a jungles with water source, I feel mosquito nest is a useful item to have. Other is a blade by default.
I feel like the show when it started wasn't scripted, it was decent. Now it is absoloute dog smurf how bad it's got. I always thought the idea was crazy enough to work. And I thought they either all got a knife and one additional item or something to that effect. Seems to be the way it worked out.

I even tried watching the naked and afraid xl, but had to stop...  :poh:


Anyways. Id probably take a kukri and a jetboil  :D
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: zoidberg on February 26, 2017, 07:30:11 AM
One first aid kit please.

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Contents would be two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
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:facepalm:
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grathr on February 26, 2017, 07:56:39 AM
I watched a bit of season one.
I like how you could see their personalities change and quite early see who had the will to struggle on and who didnt.
Other than that it wasnt that good. It was just watching two people suffer and argue for 3 weeks.

Id take a good knife and a firestarter if I could. With the knife and a fire you can make more tools. You can make a pot from clay, bark,animalskin or stomack.
I guess the real problem is that when you are using all your energy to find water and food, you just dont have the energy or time to make pots and clothes.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grathr on February 26, 2017, 08:01:16 AM
One first aid kit please.

Show content
Contents would be two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
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:facepalm:

I think your confusing it with  "naked and high". A much more entertaining tv show  :D
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: MadPlumbarian on February 26, 2017, 08:41:28 AM
You watch it too? The wife and I sometimes think it's dumb, sometimes funny, or very seldom interesting, but sometimes you learn something, we did watch that XL, which I thought was a little nuts..
  The one thing that really gets me going on most of them is your going to be there for 3weeks, build a half decent sleeping arrangement!

As for carry ons, I'd need a good machete, maybe one with a saw on the back side, and hope she brought a pot to boil the water..
JR
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Mechanickal on February 26, 2017, 08:51:05 AM
A sewing machine!

And I hope the other one wound bring a giant piece of cloth!


Or my trusted multi and a firestarter...
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Mechanickal on February 26, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
One first aid kit please.

Show content
Contents would be two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.
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:facepalm:
Dang! That's going to be one major jungle party!
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Etherealicer on February 26, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
I probably would choose a book on edible plants.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: T1000 on February 26, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
I'd take a pair of shorts.

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Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2017, 12:59:14 PM
We are just a few episodes into Season 2.

We just watched the episode with the guy who grabbed the super poisonous snake with his bare hands then ate a toxic mushroom.   ::)

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Mechanickal on February 26, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
We are just a few episodes into Season 2.

We just watched the episode with the guy who grabbed the super poisonous snake with his bare hands then ate a toxic mushroom.   ::)

Def
Sounds like a true expert :tu:
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Smashie on February 26, 2017, 07:38:35 PM
We are just a few episodes into Season 2.

We just watched the episode with the guy who grabbed the super poisonous snake with his bare hands then ate a toxic mushroom.   ::)

Def
Sounds like a true expert :tu:

 :facepalm: I think I need to find a way to watch this, I miss good comedy on the TV
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 26, 2017, 07:48:03 PM
I watched an episode today where the woman claimed to be a witch, and rather than do anything useful she spent her time weaving pentagrams and headbands while complaining that the guy wasn't doing enough.   :facepalm:

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grathr on February 26, 2017, 07:51:48 PM
I watched an episode today where the woman claimed to be a witch, and rather than do anything useful she spent her time weaving pentagrams and headbands while complaining that the guy wasn't doing enough.   :facepalm:

Def

:rofl:
Now that sounds like a fun episode. Maybe I quit it too early.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: chrono on February 26, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
Most people on that shows are rather survival enthusiasts instead of experts  :P I have a theory that some were picked because the possibility of them failing is high, like that witch, or another model-wannabe spoiled chic. Some were picked for the negativity they would bring to the team, like that Alana woman. It was amusing to go to the Facebook page after each new episode to read comments, mostly negative to down right abusing.

Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Smashie on February 26, 2017, 09:08:35 PM
Most people on that shows are rather survival enthusiasts instead of experts  :P I have a theory that some were picked because the possibility of them failing is high, like that witch, or another model-wannabe spoiled chic. Some were picked for the negativity they will bring to the team, like that Alana woman.

I'm pretty sure, to the point I'd put money on it, that you are correct  :salute:
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Gareth on February 26, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
I watched a couple of episodes but like a lot of you I gave up as I just got annoyed by the contestants. 

I'd be very tempted to bring a good saw. 
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Smashie on February 26, 2017, 09:14:47 PM
Not having seen it, what knife to they give them?
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: chrono on February 26, 2017, 09:34:22 PM
Not having seen it, what knife to they give them?

Knife is too cliché. Try bring a magnifier to purify water like that Honora woman. However, she said she was suggested to bring it as item of choice, with a fabricated story about it being her Dad's memento. She failed miserably. If that was true, producers of this show is among scum on Earth, who cares nothing but show rating.

Back to topic, most people picked machetes. There was at least one guy bringing kukri

Me personally, I would bring a dadao (chinese saber sword) for maximum slashing, chopping, and all around cool affect.  >:D

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Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Syncop8r on February 26, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
There have been a few who call themselves "military survivalists" or something, including one who failed miserably but explained he was used to military survival and this was different.


I probably would choose a book on edible plants.

Not a bad idea. :tu:  Being a vegetarian who eats, roots shoots and leaves I could bring that and a box of condoms...
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: kaput on February 26, 2017, 09:54:54 PM
Or

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Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Ron Who on February 26, 2017, 10:52:23 PM
Probably the only goal of shows like these is to up the ratings (why else the "naked" element?).
If you need information, go see Ray Mears.

PS to survive 21 days, the best thing to take with you might well be a giant pizza.  :D
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 27, 2017, 12:26:27 AM
Probably the only goal of shows like these is to up the ratings (why else the "naked" element?).
If you need information, go see Ray Mears.

PS to survive 21 days, the best thing to take with you might well be a giant pizza.  :D

And a Camelbak!

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 27, 2017, 12:28:20 AM
I watched an episode today where the woman claimed to be a witch, and rather than do anything useful she spent her time weaving pentagrams and headbands while complaining that the guy wasn't doing enough.   :facepalm:

Def

:rofl:
Now that sounds like a fun episode. Maybe I quit it too early.

I think it was the last episode of season 2.  She ate a rotten parrot head at the end and had to be pulled a few hours before the completion due to medical issues.

 :facepalm:

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 27, 2017, 12:30:15 AM
Not having seen it, what knife to they give them?

I think the contestants pick the knives they bring.  Most bring a good sized knife- or a small machete, although I have seen a couple of people bring axes too.

One woman pulled out a Tom Brown Tracker that was fairly well used already from the looks of it.

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Smashie on February 27, 2017, 12:39:54 AM
Not having seen it, what knife to they give them?

I think the contestants pick the knives they bring.  Most bring a good sized knife- or a small machete, although I have seen a couple of people bring axes too.

One woman pulled out a Tom Brown Tracker that was fairly well used already from the looks of it.

Def

The Tracker is a good choice, machetes are too thin for anything other than clearing undergrowth, unless of course you are Danny Trejo  :rofl:
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 27, 2017, 02:36:38 AM
It seems like machetes might be too big to clean the small game they manage to get on most episodes.

Def
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: chrono on February 27, 2017, 03:07:59 AM

Not a bad idea. :tu:  Being a vegetarian who eats, roots shoots and leaves I could bring that and a box of condoms...

Not a bad idea. Though no funny business happens between the two participants (really, are you sure you want to play, literally, dirty?  :D ), condoms can have various usages: protect you junk from insects (better than nothing!), contain and transport water, plant seeds....

However, they probably allow you to bring only one piece though  :D
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on March 03, 2017, 07:17:51 AM
I've watched most of it, for me the attractive women didn't stay attractive very long  :rofl:

I would want a knife, a pot and a ferro rod.  It all depends on the location, that determines what you can improvise.   They might as well standardize the equipment since that's no what makes the story.

There is a moment in the first XL season.......I honestly believe the planet would be a better place without that woman in it.

XL season 2 also had a moment, not as bad just idiotic.......don't want to spoil it for anybody. 
What I will say is the way XL S2 ended redeemed the show......fascinating how quickly things can go wrong.....
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:12:53 PM
IF they'd give me a cooking pot (as has happened) I'd want Leatherman Surge,  with 7" dewalt saw blade, ferrorod, scoop knife as part of the tool. I can make a stone adze for the heavy work. I'd want my partner to bring a BIG paracord gill net. If not allowed, I'd want her to bring a big hammock, made of 7 strand paracord. Unravel whichever, separate out the strands and weave a much larger gill net and have lots of cordage for making a bundle-bow, bow drill, pump-drill, etc.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
I've watched dozens of these shows. Everyone averages losing a lb per day, and some have lost nearly 2 lbs per day (like AJ in the first show. The women lose less, until the man has to leave. When they have to do all the heavy work themselves, women lose just as much as men do. The only thing that they have caught that was worth the effort was big eels/snakes or manta rays. None of them know to have the small end of the spear be a 4 tined gig, with the big end sharpened. for bigger critters. It needs to be 7 ft long, and to have a short, small diameter stick or a stone lashed to the small end, to make the spear balance midway along its length. They need to rig a sling for the spear, and a belt for hanging their throwing stick. 

They also need to learn to dig a hole, line it with clay, fire the clay with coals and red-hot stones, then have a big bowl for boiling water and cooking. Roasting wastes food and you have to tend the food constantly.  They also need to learn to make a SMALL, low shelter, with a raised bed and  (if it's cold) a Siberian fire lay. An awning is easier to add, for shelter from the rain, for yourself, your fire and your fire wood. Get the wood up on a drying rack and keep the bush-roof dampened, so it doesn't catch fire. Learn to bank the fire at night, None have bothered to make a stone adze, almost none have bothered to make a bow, or even a throwing/digging stick. They'd suffer a LOT less if they brought the right gear, did the right things, ASAP. You have to go like hell, that first 2-3 days, while you still have strength from your normal life and ASAP, get major amounts of food coming in. Plants dont hack it, unless you have a major source of acorns, nuts, tubers and I mean several lbs per day, reliably, for each person. Greens have almost no food value, not worth the picking in the short term, but needed for vitamins and minerals in the long term.

Gotta make containers, ASAP. Big leaves suffice in the jungle. Bark does the job in other places, hollowed out hunks of log have worked, and of course,  you can normally make simple pottery and baskets.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:38:07 PM
given the Surge multitool and the cordage from the hammock, you can make a big stone adze in one day, for heavy work.. You'll never (primitively)  make anything as useful as the Surge, tho!  Especially not if it incorporates the Signal's ferro rod and sharpening tool
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:40:09 PM
If I could take the cookpot that I wanted, on top of the hammock and the Surge tool, we'd be in pretty good shape, cause the lid of mine is haftable as a machete. :-)
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: lurkee on March 09, 2017, 04:45:17 PM
Only rarely have they known to IMMEDIATELY get a fire (barring heavy storms, when first you have to seek shelter). You'll need potable water in just an hour of the sort of hard work you'll have to be doing and you don't DARE risk drinking it without first boiling it. The dehydration swiftly, and I mean in a very few hours, leads to making bad decisions and awkward movement. So fire is of paramount importance, even if it's not cold. get it NOW, and get LOTS of water boiled, so you can stay hydrated, while you seek out the best location for "home" and get a shelter (one for self and one for the fire). If you wait for the firemaking, rain or dampness can prevent your getting it at all (especially if you dont have a ferro rod ).  Get the hammock/net set for fish ASAP. Make a digging stick and use it to dig "j-channels" along the  water's edge, trapping minnows that you can use to bait the nets. Whittle and fire-harden some fishhooks, until you can make some out of bones. Set the lines to spring poles, so that something "sets" the hook in the fish's mouth. Find and fracture stones for usable tools.

Fish, eels, snakes, amphibians, are by far the best return for your time spent trying to get flesh food. Bird snares are worth the time needed to make and set them (usually) but bird traps are not.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: dks on March 10, 2017, 08:20:11 AM
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/news/n0820-everything-is-allowed-fighting-alcohol-murder-rape-smoking-anything/

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/dec/15/russian-reality-tv-show-allow-rape-murder-game2-winter

"Game2: Winter will strand 30 contestants in the -40F (-40C) Siberian wilderness for nine months with the surviving winner receiving a $1.6m prize. It will stream 24/7 online."
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Dwest on March 18, 2017, 12:04:02 AM
I watched an episode today where the woman claimed to be a witch, and rather than do anything useful she spent her time weaving pentagrams and headbands while complaining that the guy wasn't doing enough.   :facepalm:

Def

Sounds like my brother's ex was on the show.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
Yeah, I was a bit surprised at how useless she was.  She kept saying things like "If my husband was here we'd have meat on the table long before now."

She sounded totally self sufficient....  ::)

I have a bit of a laugh at many of the guys that go on the show that are hunters.  They always have this great history of hunting, and their photo at the beginning is often them posing with a wild boar they have killed or something similar.... which is great, but they forget one key item that they have always had while hunting and don't have now- their guns.

I don't care how many times you have successfully hunted in life with a rifle or shotgun, you can't count on those skills when you no longer have the ability to take down large prey at a distance.  The game changes greatly when you don't have a gun... or crossbow, compound bow or even a recurve.  When you don't have the ability to strike a target at a distance, hunting is very difficult, if not impossible.  Before distance weapons, humans used to hunt by running prey down until they were exhausted, then finishing them off, but we, as a species, don't have that level of endurance anymore.

We often wonder while watching the show why more people aren't trapping and snaring animals, and the few that do are only setting one or two traps when they really need to set at least ten to twelve.   :facepalm: :facepalm:

Defe
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Mechanickal on March 18, 2017, 07:43:45 PM
Yeah, I was a bit surprised at how useless she was.  She kept saying things like "If my husband was here we'd have meat on the table long before now."

She sounded totally self sufficient....  ::)

I have a bit of a laugh at many of the guys that go on the show that are hunters.  They always have this great history of hunting, and their photo at the beginning is often them posing with a wild boar they have killed or something similar.... which is great, but they forget one key item that they have always had while hunting and don't have now- their guns.

I don't care how many times you have successfully hunted in life with a rifle or shotgun, you can't count on those skills when you no longer have the ability to take down large prey at a distance.  The game changes greatly when you don't have a gun... or crossbow, compound bow or even a recurve.  When you don't have the ability to strike a target at a distance, hunting is very difficult, if not impossible.  Before distance weapons, humans used to hunt by running prey down until they were exhausted, then finishing them off, but we, as a species, don't have that level of endurance anymore.

We often wonder while watching the show why more people aren't trapping and snaring animals, and the few that do are only setting one or two traps when they really need to set at least ten to twelve.   :facepalm: :facepalm:

Defe
Or they hunted in groups, trapping animals in a corner.

There have been rock paintings found which show prehistoric humans pushing a boulder off a cliff when a large animal passed.
If you aren't strong, be smart.
Title: Re: Naked and Afraid- what would you choose?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on March 18, 2017, 10:11:36 PM
Absolutely. 

My point was that modern hunters use tools that aren't available in the Naked and Afraid scenarios.  All of the guys on the show who claim to be top notch hunters are usually the hungriest because they are used to shooting prey, a small fact they seem to forget about when talking about what awesome and skilled hunters they are.

Def