Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.
Oh wait Benner said those ::)
Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and where the blade folds into the handle).
Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.
If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.
And breath :police:
I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.
Any questions feel free to ask or PM :salute:
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?
There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below. Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK. Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise. Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no. Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.
What about plier based MTs? The LM Juice range are OK but what about others? I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed? :think:
Neil
Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either. Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.
Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either. Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.
I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.
Neil
o genuine relgious purposes
o genuine relgious purposes
You know, I think I've read in u.k. if you get so many members you will be given official religion status, like how jedi is now recognized as an official religion.
So where can I buy a lightsabre...
Benner....would the PP be viewed as a form of frame lock? I honestly don't know and reckon it would take a stated case at a court to decide it.
As a mod why don't you sacrifice yourself for the greater good :pok:
Given the present climate perhaps it would be wise to keep the list to those we know to be legal rather than think are. Then again, given the reaction of people to any size or shape of blade we could just give up now and just presume they'll be grief if we dare to use a Classic in a public place :-\
It might also be an idea to mention that vehicles are also considered public spaces and that all bets are off as to what you can or can't carry on the public transport system :ahhh
Isn't the law so much fun :P :P
Neil
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
Does have a few pointy bits though :P
Neil
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
Does have a few pointy bits though :P
Neil
Very true that.
I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously? :D
Are they that much more than a UKPK? Not really, now go buy one so I can play with it ;)I'm waiting for Spyderco to get there arse into gear and get the Urban out ::), but it is really tempting as it's a cracking wee knife :drool:
"The blade is instead held in place with an springsteel key, a technique which has been in use for more than 100 years and which ensures that the blade does not fold." They seem very confident of that ::)
Anyone own one of these?
Neil
Gerber Multiplier (pre MP series)
Leatherman Squirt series
And i think the Leatherman Hybrid :think:
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
It's great when we get to behave like proper mods and bully people :DIsn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
:D :D :D
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Another one broken >:D :D :DIsn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee
Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee
Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :DIsn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee
Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :DIsn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee
Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
But you'll never take my Freeeeeeeeeeeedom
How about the Gerber Shard or any of the Atwood (Multi use) keyring tools and some of the "true utilty" line (for what their worth)
Gerber Solstice.... i think.
I don't need to take your freedom, that's what HM government are for :DAnother one broken >:D :D :DIsn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like? :pok:What like the first post you mean :P
Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee
Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
But you'll never take my Freeeeeeeeeeeedom
How about the Gerber Shard or any of the Atwood (Multi use) keyring tools and some of the "true utilty" line (for what their worth)
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the Queen :police:She's to manky to pull anyway :D
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the queen :police:
Bugger ye off :twak: :twak: :DI can arrest ANYONE apart from the queen :police:
Mike's safe then :P :D
Neil
Swiss-Tech tools, not sure about all of them but certainly most of them?Yep they get my vote :)
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Swiss-Tech
Your turn to add some Mike, I'm getting behind here. :DJust done the Swisstech just going for the seber now :)
How about
CRKT Guppie
CRKT Get away driver
CRKT Lumabiner
Does the Zilla tool lock?
Try these
http://www.heinnie.com/ycfyof1009887/Pocket-Tools/SeberTool/c-1-94-223/
(Only time I will ever be nice in public)Well let's hope it does :)
Good work Ben, Micky d and the rest of the gang....this work will help a lot of people. :cheers:
Gerber Cool Tool :)Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Fire byrd...knife and lighter :DTrue :tu:
Gerber Cool Tool :)Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???
Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\
Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???
Ok anything goes then :)Gerber Cool Tool :)Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???
I think it should be anything really.
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:
It might be easier to add all "Non locking, under 3" Wenger and SAKS as a cover all
I wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:
I had already done the Firebyrd. :D
I called it an MT though. Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
What about the Lm mini
I wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:
I had already done the Firebyrd. :D
I called it an MT though. Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
But I guess you right, I'll delete my entry :)
What about the Lm mini
That would sadly fall foul as the blade would not be able to be closed with the handles closed.
Just what every murderous, alcoholic pyromanic needs :DI wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:
I had already done the Firebyrd. :D
I called it an MT though. Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
But I guess you right, I'll delete my entry :)
Could be either really. I just called it a MT as it had a bottle opener and came with a lighter. :D
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :DBid's for tool design immortality don't count :P
Didn't it have a saw?
Also, that spike is I'm sure.
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :DBid's for tool design immortality don't count :P
:( :(Didn't it have a saw?and the spike never made it on to the final layout :D
Also, that spike is I'm sure.
Didn't it have a saw?
Also, that spike is I'm sure.
It has a jigsaw blade attachment which i can just remove the blade from (not that its sharp anyway its a remgrit blade) and the spike never made it on to the final layout :D
I'm a mod, being mean is in the job description :DMy Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :DBid's for tool design immortality don't count :P
Meanie :( :(
You'd be safe with that then. :)
Still not going on the list though. :P
PST should be on there - it ain't a locker!I agree there non locking, it's just you can't close the blade without hiting the other handle, so technically there not 100% legal, I know it's stupid but then so is the law ::)
So should be the PST II, Sideclip, Micra and Flair!
PST should be on there - it ain't a locker!I agree there non locking, it's just you can't close the blade without hiting the other handle, so technically there not 100% legal, I know it's stupid but then so is the law ::)
So should be the PST II, Sideclip, Micra and Flair!
How about this? The Moki Thuja UK http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/
I don't have one but it had a good reception over on BB. It is a shame it still looks like a locker but I suspect the reason they didn't re-model the scales was to keep tooling costs down.
How about the Spyderco T-Mag? It's just under 3 inches, and uses a magnet rather than a lock (I think). http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=244
Leatherman call it the Posi-Stop feature .They obviously can't call it a locking device because it isn't . I personally would EDC one myself as a non locker BUT technically the blade doesn't close all the way so it could be classed as a locking blade >:( This discussion about the PST has been going on for years :( and just goes round and round .
Dunc
Leatherman call it the Posi-Stop feature .They obviously can't call it a locking device because it isn't . I personally would EDC one myself as a non locker BUT technically the blade doesn't close all the way so it could be classed as a locking blade >:( This discussion about the PST has been going on for years :( and just goes round and round .
Dunc
Exactly, so innocent until proven guilty, it should be in! By the same definition, a SAK blade is locking, 'cos your finger would be in the way ;)
Well, until someone comes up with something to conclusively prove that it's illegal, I'll consider it be legal, as is widely accepted!
Well, until someone comes up with something to conclusively prove that it's illegal, I'll consider it be legal, as is widely accepted!You go for it mate, and I'm sure you'd be fine, but for the benefit of this thread it has to be 100% legal and not open to intepretation :)
What about plier based MTs? The LM Juice range are OK but what about others? I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed? :think:Because of this closing the legality of the Micra & PST still worries me. It's a bit of a scaremonger frenzy here at the mo >:(
Neil
What about plier based MTs? The LM Juice range are OK but what about others? I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed? :think:Because of this closing the legality of the Micra & PST still worries me. It's a bit of a scaremonger frenzy here at the mo >:(
Neil
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098
Latshaw Pocketwrench II http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html
Latshaw Pocketwrench II http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html
I could do with one of them , are they cheap ?
Dunc
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098
It has been held that going to a party where you may have to open bottles of beer is a good reason for possession of a locking bladed multi tool which also had a bottle opener attachment.
Case make some nice slip jointed folders http://www.wrcase.com/knives/
They must have no locks and have a blade length under 3" to be legal EDC.
Case make some nice slip jointed folders http://www.wrcase.com/knives/
They must have no locks and have a blade length under 3" to be legal EDC.
...Unless you have a reason to carry it. According to that discussion that Phil found, going to a party to open beer is a good reason! Sorted.
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098
Personally I don't want to be arrested by any of them ... but I see your point :PWell I was up near Victoria a few weeks back, and there was one WPC I wouldn'd have minded being arrested by ;)
Neil
A guy from where I work had a visit by the police and taken down the station :police: ( I believe his neighbour accused him assult ) .A very pretty WPC came and took him away and in the car she asked him if he had anything on him he shouldn't have . He had a small lock knife .She told him it was illegal to carry and best let her look after it until he came out of the station .Fair play to the lass :tu:
Sounds fair to me .
Dunc
I can't believe what I have just read :o I suggest all UK members read thisThat is truly stupid >:(, you cannot flick a blade out on a UKPK, I know coz I've tried >:(
http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71404
Theres alot of wound up Brits :twak:
Dunc
And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\
Yeah there is still the choice, but as you pointed out, there's quite a risk you won't actully get it :-\And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\
There still is a slight pay advantage with buying from the US, but I find the main bonus is the selection of blades they have over there. I can think of a couple of knives I'd be interested in getting that aren't available over here, but simply won't risk customs taking it (even though they are perfectly legal ::) ).
Yeah there is still the choice, but as you pointed out, there's quite a risk you won't actully get it :-\And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\
There still is a slight pay advantage with buying from the US, but I find the main bonus is the selection of blades they have over there. I can think of a couple of knives I'd be interested in getting that aren't available over here, but simply won't risk customs taking it (even though they are perfectly legal ::) ).
Looks like an over-eager HMCE officer jumping to conclusions to me. I reckon he'll get his knife back, but I suppose time will tell!
Looks like an over-eager HMCE officer jumping to conclusions to me. I reckon he'll get his knife back, but I suppose time will tell!
I wish this were true but I doubt it. Unless he is prepaired to pay for legal council with the good chance he will incurr the costs it's never going to go near the courts. Without that then he is never going to see his knife again. He is now in the position that he has to prove that the knife is legal (which it is IMO) rather than the other way around.
The fact that Customs are wrong doesn't come into it, he has to be willing to fight it in court. It shouldn't be that way but, at the moment, it is. :rant:
Ok the UK law regarding the carrying of blades is in the first post :)
Anyone who want's to expand upon it, please feel free :)
How about the new Spyderco Bug?Added, and I'll add a link as soon as I can find one :)
Seems to be a slippie ;)
Thank's mate :)Ok the UK law regarding the carrying of blades is in the first post :)
Anyone who want's to expand upon it, please feel free :)
Looks good! :tu:
Ok if like me your tired of trawling the internet for interesting, but UK street legal edc how about we make a list of them here for easy reference for us poor oppressed Brits :)
Add your sugestions, and either Ben or myself will edit them into this thread to make life easier all round :)
So it's up to you fella's to make this idea work, so get listing :)
Folding knives
Spyderco Bug
Spyderco UKPK - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=243
Spyderco Pride - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=62
Spyderco T-Mag - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=244
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/edgie.html
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578
Falkniven U1 - http://fallkniven.com/u1/us-u1.htm
Douk-Douk (small) - https://edcdepot.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=43&products_id=160
Moki Thuja UK - http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/
Case knives (sub 3" bladed, non-locking models) - http://www.wrcase.com/knives/
Maserin Marinera - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49
Swiss Army Knives - All those with a blade below 3" and where the blade does not lock. Below are a good selection.
Victorinox Soldier (make sure it's the 2 handed ALOX version) - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E
Victorinox Swisschamp - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E
Multitools
Leatherman Juice series - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/pocket-tools/default.aspx
Leatherman Knifeless Fuse - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx
Leatherman Squirt series - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/keychain-tools/default.aspx
Gerber Shortcut - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/89
Gerber Clutch - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/97
Gerber Solstice - http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html
Atwood tools (all bladeless models) - http://www.atwoodknives.com/
Swiss-Tech tools - http://www.swisstechtools.com/
Sebertech tools - http://www.sebertech.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
CRKT Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/guppie.html
CRKT Li'l Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/lilguppie.html
CRKT Get-a-way driver - http://www.crkt.com/gawdriver.html
Byrd Firebyrd - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207
Beretta Shotgun tool - http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/
Gatco/Timberline Frog Tool - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html
Latshaw Pocketwrench II - http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html
The UK carry laws...
CJA 1988 – Section 139: Offence of having article with blade or point in
public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this
section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove
that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public
place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a
person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with
him —
a. for use at work;
b. for religious reasons; or
c. as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable -
a. on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
b. on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two
years, or a fine, or both.
(Continues overleaf)
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public
have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
The text quoted on this card is from the Criminal Justice Act 1988
and can be checked for veracity (or for any changes to the law) online at:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim
ary&PageNumber=1&Year=1988&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId
=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116820&filesize=4465
Please type the above URL into your web browser as one line of text, there are no spaces.
Handy link :) http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf
Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.Thanks fella :tu:
You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.
However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview :cry:
Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.
You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.
However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview :cry:
It's a piece of Case law set in court rather than by Government. The case was called Harris v DPP (I did have to look that up). An over-enthusiastic CPS prosecutor convinced a judge that any locking blade was effectively a fixed blade, hence illegal to carry. It technically could be overturned by a higher court but I can't see that ever happening. ::)
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list :tu:On it :tu:
Neil
Spirits are not allowed because of the lock I suppose?
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list :tu:On it :tu:
Neil
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :PI can list another 1001 if you ever get tempted :D
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool! :tu:
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool! :tu:
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool! :tu:
Yes I do , and I use it alot . Its a very handy and useful knife :)
dunc
I still think the Spyderco Pride is the most Sheeple friendly OH folder available. :) Even my Nan wasn't scared of it. :D
That sounds tricky. :pok: I'd just sell it to raise cash for an Urban.
I do just happen to know someone interested in getting one (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/shades.gif)
Neil
If I remember correctly, I have seen the US flagged ones on there for around £30 + postage. I have never seen any with the Union flag/ Jack on there for sale nor the one with the Spydie bug which is the one I want. Mine doesn't have a badge on there at all.
Don't think I've seen one on the UK site. I'm not enthralled at the prospect of UK customs seizing it on import :( It seems like anything with a Spydie hole is fair game at the moment >:(Trust me you can NEVER acuse a Pride as being a gravity knife :), smooth, they are not :-\
Neil
Don't think I've seen one on the UK site. I'm not enthralled at the prospect of UK customs seizing it on import :( It seems like anything with a Spydie hole is fair game at the moment >:(Trust me you can NEVER acuse a Pride as being a gravity knife :), smooth, they are not :-\
Neil
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P
Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .
Dunc
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P
Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .
Dunc
Well, when I was in London UK working as an IT manager in an office I used to carry a really crappy multitool that I bought (at Tescos)... Had I known about spirit or swisstool then, I probably would have wanted to carry one daily... it was necessary for cutting cables etc... I guess I could have looked for another tool...
so in other words it would be fine to carry it at work, just not to and from work... which either means taking it out of the case every day before leaving, and putting it back when arriving (probably not a good idea as you would undoubtedly forget it was there or not some days) or... removing/adding the case&tool from my belt every day (rather annoying considering it would be towards the back...)
My current one doesnt even have a pointy blade... just a locking one... oh well... not like it matters now anyways... nice to see the new tools have a clip-on beltclip tho!
so in other words it would be fine to carry it at work, just not to and from work... which either means taking it out of the case every day before leaving, and putting it back when arriving (probably not a good idea as you would undoubtedly forget it was there or not some days) or... removing/adding the case&tool from my belt every day (rather annoying considering it would be towards the back...)
My current one doesnt even have a pointy blade... just a locking one... oh well... not like it matters now anyways... nice to see the new tools have a clip-on beltclip tho!
Also don't carry these:
* flick knives
* gravity knives
* knuckle-dusters
* sword-sticks
* samurai swords
* hand-claws
* foot-claws
* belt-buckle knives
* push daggers
* butterfly knives
* blow-pipes or guns
* kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
* shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
* telescopic truncheons (automatically extending)
* kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
* kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
* kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
* disguised knives (for example, lipstick knives)
* stealth knives
* straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons
Above + public place = Prison :pok: :police:
Just got my Spyderco catalog today...should add the Spyderco Urban to the list :tu:
Perhaps we should start a crime wave so the press can focus on something else? :DI'm up for some mayhem :D
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on. Large spoons?I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on. Large spoons?I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D
And the right one at that :tu:Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D
Has to be the Daily Mail surely. They have to be the biggest sensationalists out there. >:(
To any Mail readers out there I apologise for any offence caused, but it is my opinion. :D
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D
Has to be the Daily Mail surely. They have to be the biggest sensationalists out there. >:(
To any Mail readers out there I apologise for any offence caused, but it is my opinion. :D
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on. Large spoons?I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D
I suppose that I won't be able to carry my swisstool when I'll come in London in two months as a tourist, then -even when other than in travel does anyone need to have tools at hand?-
At least there'll be my cybertool :/
I suppose that I won't be able to carry my swisstool when I'll come in London in two months as a tourist, then -even when other than in travel does anyone need to have tools at hand?-
At least there'll be my cybertool :/
But it is a good reason to get a PST/Kick/Knifeless Fuse :tu:. You can of course bring your Swiss Tool with you but just not carry it on the street. Leave it in your room or something. If you were going somewhere quieter then I'd say you would get away with it, but not in London. It is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the big tourist attractions will have a "No Knife" policy anyway. Last time I was there I just didn't bother when going to museums etc as it became such a PITA. It felt very odd I can tell you. I hope you enjoy the trip.
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OKI think the DK is on the list :think:
I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OKI think the DK is on the list :think:
I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
Added :salute:Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OKI think the DK is on the list :think:
I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
Can't see it, but then I am slykdexic and can't be trusted with these matters :-X
Now, why aren't there more options that don't cost stupid money eh?It is a right royal pain in the buttocks isn't it >:(
I want something a bit spydie or byrdie, not useless to lefties and legal.... that too much to ask?! I quite like the idea of half serrated too as it seems more useful to me if I'm carrying a single blade.
Anyone?! ???
Now, why aren't there more options that don't cost stupid money eh?It is a right royal pain in the buttocks isn't it >:(
I want something a bit spydie or byrdie, not useless to lefties and legal.... that too much to ask?! I quite like the idea of half serrated too as it seems more useful to me if I'm carrying a single blade.
Anyone?! ???
Myself and Ben were complaining about it at some length on the way to the meet ::)
There is this... http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=g3e92l1453701&strParents=&CAT_ID=121&P_ID=3979 and I'm quite tempted by it, especially at that price, but I'm not sure how comfy it'll be with that second blade :-\
There is this... http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=g3e92l1453701&strParents=&CAT_ID=121&P_ID=3979 and I'm quite tempted by it, especially at that price, but I'm not sure how comfy it'll be with that second blade :-\
Not sure how much it weights I'm afraid :-\
I'm up for that :pok: :DWell it won't be this month :-\
I'm up for that :pok: :DWell it won't be this month :-\
Here's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149Shame it's bloody awful :D
Yep, that's not a pretty sight... :DHere's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149Shame it's bloody awful :D
Do we have a throwing up smiley.Thats the ugliest thing I have seen in ages and that includes the ugly beggar I shaved this morningHere's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149Shame it's bloody awful :D
Is it just me that doesn't think it looks that bad? It is a blade on a carabiner and looks as it should for that kind of design IMO. If I wanted something to hook on a bag I'd consider it.
Yeah, but it's on the body of a carabiner so it's hardly going to handle like a Sebenza is it.
I just think that for it's application it looks as it should.
Is it just me that doesn't think it looks that bad? It is a blade on a carabiner and looks as it should for that kind of design IMO. If I wanted something to hook on a bag I'd consider it.
Yes, its just you :D
Don't you think it looks awkward to use?
...
But anyway, any more legal EDC's around? Haven't added many recently.
I want one of those for Eddie but Sue said no. ::)
I suppose I could get one for myself and let him play with it though. :D
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But anyway, any more legal EDC's around? Haven't added many recently.
Have we added this one yet?
(http://www.sortprice.com/images/rimg/large_69195)
What!? >:( ;)
In this house you have to have 2 of everything to prevent WW3, so thank you for your offer (if that was an offer? :D ) but I will have to pick up 2 at some point when Sue isn't looking. >:D
Is there a nail nick on that spoon? Or is it a :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh GRAVITY SPOON :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh ? :D
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil. :o You don't want to be seen. :mn:
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil. :o You don't want to be seen. :mn:
True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil. :o You don't want to be seen. :mn:
True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)
Sooooooooooooooooo many comments, so little time. :D
He is the true master of the off putting mental image :salute: :DMake sure the curtains are drawn Neil. :o You don't want to be seen. :mn:
True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)
Sooooooooooooooooo many comments, so little time. :D
Best leave those kind to Spork ;)
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?Heinnie's have got Opinel No 6 in :pok: :pok:
I want a legal EDC knife.... :pok:
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?
I want a legal EDC knife.... :pok:
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?
I want a legal EDC knife.... :pok:
Any one of many SAK's ? :)
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?
I want a legal EDC knife.... :pok:
Nah, doesn't do it for me..... I think what I want is unobtainium currently (including sleep eh?!)Sleep would be nice :D
Look forward to the review mate :tu:
Easily done mate :)Look forward to the review mate :tu:
I hope I make a better job of it than I did of that dodgy link two posts up :o
Not even sure how I managed that!
I'm still after a nice buffalo handled slippie.... don't want another badly made one though! ::)
(I just like posting those pics :D)I can see why.... :drool:
(I just like posting those pics :D)I can see why.... :drool:
Shame on you, Benner... First the Spyderco DKPK & now this... :twak:Looks great doesn't it :)(I just like posting those pics :D)I can see why.... :drool:
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it :tu:
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it :tu:
I'll have to take some more up to date piccies. :)
It's a shame really as it sees very little use.
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it :tu:
I'll have to take some more up to date piccies. :)
It's a shame really as it sees very little use.
Why?
:pok: You know where you have to send it if it looks like becoming a shelf queen >:D
Trouble is you can say that about pretty much everything :-\That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it :tu:
I'll have to take some more up to date piccies. :)
It's a shame really as it sees very little use.
Why?
:pok: You know where you have to send it if it looks like becoming a shelf queen >:D
It does get carried every now and then, but the problem is that for it's size and weight I can have so much more function in a SAK.
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.Sorry that's what I meant :-[
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.Sorry that's what I meant :-[
I'm not hung up on OH anymore, so any slippy I buy is going to have to compete head to head with a Sak, and frankly none of them do, exept perhaps in better steels :-\
Mind you that's probably a good thing really, or we'd be even more skinted :DYou can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.Sorry that's what I meant :-[
I'm not hung up on OH anymore, so any slippy I buy is going to have to compete head to head with a Sak, and frankly none of them do, exept perhaps in better steels :-\
Which don't seem to be very readily available :think: (at least over here anyway).
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.There is this http://www.heinnie.com/ntae5m38043/Knives/B%C3%B6ker/Boker-Buddy/p-92-116-3578/
There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?! :-\
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.
There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?! :-\
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.
There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?! :-\
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.
There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?! :-\
I'm tempted to have a play with the Edgie :think: I can't imagine second hand UKPKs are common. I don't use mine as often as used to but I've no intentions of parting with such a good UK legal carry knife and I expect there are many of a similar mindset. You might have to save up your pennies :-\
How much are those UKPK going for?
How much are those UKPK going for?
£106 :ahhh
http://www.heinnie.com/Yq7mk838445/Knives/Spyderco/Spyderco-UK-Penknife/p-92-191-3097/
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.
There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?! :-\
I'm tempted to have a play with the Edgie :think: I can't imagine second hand UKPKs are common. I don't use mine as often as used to but I've no intentions of parting with such a good UK legal carry knife and I expect there are many of a similar mindset. You might have to save up your pennies :-\
I was hoping heinnies would do this and now they have http://heinnie.com/vmg9hu48831/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/c-1-92-641/ All the legal carry knives in one section. :tu: Great.
I noticed that too, good idea. They need a Tac Folder section too though, eh Ben?? :pok: :D
I noticed that too, good idea. They need a Tac Folder section too though, eh Ben?? :pok: :D
No they don't! At least mixing them all up slows me seeing them a tad. Could be very dangerous having a section devoted to them. :o :D
Did you see the Silver Stag? Actually I saw quite a few interesting items, all at around twice what I'd pay. I've been so spoiled by SAKs :)
That's fair enough :) I thought it was a bit quirky but in a nice way. I'd never use one, look good on the shelf though ;)
The wordl's gawn bonkers eh? ??? :ahhh :think:So true,now to all the governments out there please let us have the edge on knives kept sharp,blunt knives are a danger :pok: oh and leave sharpened pencils alone also :twak:
Spyderco are releasing a new slipIt that is very drool worthy :drool:Oh wait, now you have to spill the beans- :pok:
Here's a bit of info http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP131CFPThanks looks nice,I think we'll see lots more slipits in the near future as it seems the whole world has gone non locking bonkers :salute:
Here's a bit of info http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP131CFPMe wanteth :gimme:
It may be legal carry but looks wise that thing will get you more grief than the UKPK :-\Oh definetly :D
It may be legal carry but looks wise that thing will get you more grief than the UKPK :-\Yeah! I can see it being a lot of grief as it will most likely cost much more the UKPK :ahhh
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING :ahhhI'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING :ahhhI'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D
As confirmed in court "LOL" they are under 3" :oops: did I drop my guard haha! no! seriously they're legit :police: :DWell we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING :ahhhI'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D
Hope they are under 3 inches long :)
... Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\
... Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\
I think that sums things up quite nicely :tu:
I really wish Spyderco could make a more economical Urban/UKPK with a different steel and handle material to make it cheaper...
It's not to crash in on your UK thread, but I contacted the a danish retailer of the DKPK, that informed that they won't b getting them anymore, because some unsolved "issues". Apparently the DKPK can be opened with One Hand afterall... :P So no Spyderco for me... :-\
Enjoy those who can... ;)
Run with me on my slightly tangled logic here. The majority of places that sell knives and multitools here are outdoors shops, right? I think it's still seen as acceptable that outdoorsmen (and women) often need a knife. So I truly think the way into the UK market for Spyderco is through them. I'm thinking rock climbers, sailors, canoeists etc. Folks with ropes.Very good and reasoned point mate :tu:
What I'd like to see from Spyderco is this: Tenacious price range, slipit, sheepsfoot (PE and SE), sub 3", friendly coloured handle, marketed as a UK legal rescue knife. I really think that Spyderco need to realise they aren't a household name here (outside of a few of us) and until they make a knife that is genuinely non-threatening they just aren't going to sell.
I think it's fantastic that Sal has designed the UKPK and the Urban with us in mind, but I truly think they got the product wrong. Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\
I really wish Spyderco could make a more economical Urban/UKPK with a different steel and handle material to make it cheaper...
That's probably on the way.
IIRC, Sal (aka Mr. Spyderco) posted about a bargain price UKPK or Urban over on British Blades.
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I think it's more a case of Sal recognising the UK market for Spyderco as being quite small. I have no idea of the numbers produced or sold but I can't think they were that high (I'd love it is someone knew). What they seem to have done was produce a knife for the fairly limited number of folks who already knew of the Spyderco brand.
I could be way off the mark here but in my experience I have never seen a Spyderco for sale in a physical shop (there must be somewhere I'm sure) and I only ever met one person who recognised my Delica as a Spyderco and was impressed.
I think it's more a case of Sal recognising the UK market for Spyderco as being quite small. I have no idea of the numbers produced or sold but I can't think they were that high (I'd love it is someone knew). What they seem to have done was produce a knife for the fairly limited number of folks who already knew of the Spyderco brand.
I could be way off the mark here but in my experience I have never seen a Spyderco for sale in a physical shop (there must be somewhere I'm sure) and I only ever met one person who recognised my Delica as a Spyderco and was impressed.
I see what you mean, but TBH I don't think people will ever see past the "knife" part over here, despite what efforts are made to make them more sheeple friendly. And that mindset is only going to get worse. :( People who are interested and use quality knives will pretty much have heard of Spyderco anyway I would expect.
They are great UK EDC candidates. :tu:One thing in it's favour it does'nt look scary at all like some other slippy's ,I mean I don't think anyone would bat an eye, if you were to take it out and start peeling an apple :tu:
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.
Svord Peasant knife is now available at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ji5Yil246803&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4444
Svord Peasant knife is now available at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ji5Yil246803&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4444
sold out alredy though :(
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.
Moonraker knives have those.
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.
Moonraker knives have those.
:pok: In pretty colours :D
Shame there 78mm though :-\
You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D
I'm only joking :DShame there 78mm though :-\
You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D
Cutting edge is below. Stop being paranoid! :twak: :D
I'm only joking :DShame there 78mm though :-\
You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D
Cutting edge is below. Stop being paranoid! :twak: :D
I reckon I may have to get one soon :)
But we don't have a gut :think: :DI'm only joking :DShame there 78mm though :-\
You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D
Cutting edge is below. Stop being paranoid! :twak: :D
I reckon I may have to get one soon :)
I will get one eventually, but what has stopped me getting one sooner is the sheer size of it folded and how it will blatantly stab you in the gut every time you bend over.
New slipit now at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=qzhs7v514396&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4541
New slipit now at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=qzhs7v514396&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4541Me want :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
just got back from my hols, and the two things ive been waiting for have come true, a job offer and heinnie selling the terzuola, orderd my spyde today hopefully the postal strike wont delay it too long. :D
just got back from my hols, and the two things ive been waiting for have come true, a job offer and heinnie selling the terzuola, orderd my spyde today hopefully the postal strike wont delay it too long. :DNice one on the job offer mate :)
Bloody typical! First one is a sodding locker. ::)Plus it's one of the pricey model's too ::)
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine :tu:
[edit] :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds :D
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine :tu:
[edit] :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds :D
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine :tu:
[edit] :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds :D
I knew that, I just didn't know if the knives met that criteria, because of their strange opening mechanism.
These are the knives I'm talking about http://www.888professional.com/products.html
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine :tu:
[edit] :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds :D
I knew that, I just didn't know if the knives met that criteria, because of their strange opening mechanism.
These are the knives I'm talking about http://www.888professional.com/products.html
Yeah I saw those well for me the blade kinda locks open by using the handles so I'm guessing not legal carry :salute: in other words you cant put pressure either side of the blade to close,it will stay locked into place until you release the handle.
On top of that I'm not sure what UK customs would make of that unusual deployment :think:
Gareth I'd be worried about importing a lolly pop stick these days :rofl:
Heinnies have slippy Cases!! Woohoo! :tu:Lusting over them as we speak :drool:
Heinnies have slippy Cases!! Woohoo! :tu:
I didn't know Case did knives with scissors as well.
http://www.heinnie.com/agrwvp727167/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/Case/Case-Amber-Bone-Pen-With-Scissors/p-92-641-721-4686/
:tu:
Do the same laws apply to children? I know this 12 year old who wants to carry a sub 3 inch, non locking penknife. Is this legal?
so this would make a charge illegal?As long as you've a good reason (like your job) then it's ok :)
what if im using it for work?
so this would make a charge illegal?
what if im using it for work?
so this would make a charge illegal?
what if im using it for work?
It kinda breaks down like this;
if you have no specific reason that you need to carry a locking or fixed blade, then you can only carry a sub 3" slippy. "Just in case" is not a specific reason.
if you feel your work can justify the use of a knife then you can use pretty much whatever you want, but IMO if you're silly about it you'll still end up explaining yourself to a judge. So (IMO) no 12" tanto just because you are a carpet fitter.
You can also transport the knife to and from work but stopping on the way is a no-no. So leaving work, having a pint, seeing a film and then going home is out.
So a lot of it depends on what you do for a living; maintenance guy? Go for it. :tu: Office tea boy? Not so much. :-\
BTW I believe that if you are having to "think" about a reason why you'll get away with it, then there is a good chance you'll have a hard time persuading the authorities that it really is a good reason at all. :)
Pretty much the same as we have here, except we are not allowed to carry anything with locks and Oho...so this would make a charge illegal?
what if im using it for work?
It kinda breaks down like this;
if you have no specific reason that you need to carry a locking or fixed blade, then you can only carry a sub 3" slippy. "Just in case" is not a specific reason.
if you feel your work can justify the use of a knife then you can use pretty much whatever you want, but IMO if you're silly about it you'll still end up explaining yourself to a judge. So (IMO) no 12" tanto just because you are a carpet fitter.
You can also transport the knife to and from work but stopping on the way is a no-no. So leaving work, having a pint, seeing a film and then going home is out.
So a lot of it depends on what you do for a living; maintenance guy? Go for it. :tu: Office tea boy? Not so much. :-\
BTW I believe that if you are having to "think" about a reason why you'll get away with it, then there is a good chance you'll have a hard time persuading the authorities that it really is a good reason at all. :)
Yes you do already know the answer :)
It locks, profile of the blade is not taken into account.
For that I would carry this :salute: as it would be easier to explain and chances are you would be believed,it's really common sense ;)
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/001-91.jpg)
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them :think:
http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them :think:
http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
yeah but if everyone throws out there kitchen knives for these, guess who will go looking for the old kitchen knives :P
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them :think:
http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
yeah but if everyone throws out there kitchen knives for these, guess who will go looking for the old kitchen knives :P
I not suggesting anyone throws out their kitchen knives :ahhh on the contrary I'd encourage people to buy more sharp pointy ones >:D
I'd personally class them in the lockers section. I go by the theory of "If you have doubts so might a copper".Good theory.. :salute:
It's such a shame, they look so useful!
It's such a shame, they look so useful!
They do indeed. The rescue one looks very tempting.
If it locks no matter the blade size could result in you being loaned some nice SS bracelets :_c: :police:
If it locks no matter the blade size could result in you being loaned some nice SS bracelets :_c: :police:
The question is if it is actually a locker though.
http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983
Looks pretty sweet.
Not bad. A bit to pointy perhaps? But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.
is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra :D
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982 Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking. :-\
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982 Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking. :-\
is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra :D
Yes, the first post. :D
May need updating though.
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982 Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking. :-\
Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree). I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :ois there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra :D
Yes, the first post. :D
May need updating though.
I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think: Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982 Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking. :-\
Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree). I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :ois there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra :D
Yes, the first post. :D
May need updating though.
I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think: Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)
none locking blades ,and not OH :D
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982 Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking. :-\
Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree). I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :ois there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra :D
Yes, the first post. :D
May need updating though.
I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think: Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)
none locking blades ,and not OH :D
Ah, I just read forward to page 2. Discussion as the fact that when the handles are closed, it might count as a lock as they do stop the blade closing on your fingers.
Poppycock IMO, but maybe bester to be safe than sorry.
Not bad. A bit to pointy perhaps? But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.
I know how to put Ben off. Here goes...
Does anyone else think the tip looks like that of a Douk Douk? :angel:
In seriousness I'm not sure I like the look of the tip myself, the proportion doesn't sit well to my eye. Just a personal taste thing I suppose.
Right peeps, I have gone through and I believe this is all up to date again. Anything I have missed just let me know.
Not bad. A bit to pointy perhaps? But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.
I know how to put Ben off. Here goes...
Does anyone else think the tip looks like that of a Douk Douk? :angel:
In seriousness I'm not sure I like the look of the tip myself, the proportion doesn't sit well to my eye. Just a personal taste thing I suppose.
You've put me off too now! I've always thought the tips of Douk Douks are really ugly.
Spyderco HoneyBee isn't on. Here's the relevant link.. http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=440That's nice too... :-\ >:(
Just added these;
Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html
Thanks Neil. :tu: Will ad that too.
Hi guys just wanted to say hi and to moan.
I like the rest of you have been waiting ages for the new ukpk lightweight. I ordered mine last week its now been seized by UK customs as a gravity knife. I've sent a letter off today I'm hoping to have it within a few weeks fingers crossed. But just my luck I've been waiting for this knife for ages and now I have to wait some more.
ok the uuk boarder agency are not going to restore my knife to me they are going to distroy it on the grounds that its a gravity knife...
I have head the back springs are weak but are they that weak that the blades can be flicked out... I'm not the only one some one else has had a ukpk frn seized by customs.
considering this knife is designed with is brits in mind I think the spyder crew should look in to it
Spyderco UKPK is no longer legal it seems.
HM Customs don't make the law, they simply apply it. And not very well at times it seems ::)
Nice Mark ;) that SRM looks particularly NICE! :drool: :gimme:
That's a very professional looking set of CF scales there.
Nice Mark ;) that SRM looks particularly NICE! :drool: :gimme:
What this one
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF2823.jpg)
Cheap as chips too! If you want me to keep an eye out for one, drop me a PM, I know a man that imports them over at BB.
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768Bit nice that one :drool:
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768
I just want it so I can publicly play with my Cox ;) (http://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/nanadance.gif)
I'll make this point right now. You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.
I am a little confused as to why a guy from New Zealand is making a video about UK knife law :think:I'll make this point right now. You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.
I agree with Gareth; less than 3" and non locking is absolutely fine even if stopped for something unrelated. Obviously The Offensive Weapons Act adds a different angle to that but normal day to day you'll be fine.
The other thing that annoyed me was when he spoke about how they measure it. The law is pretty black and white and if the cutting edge is less than 3" then you are legal :D
I wonder how many stabbing cases there are involving expensive Spyderco's, Sebenza's, etc. I would imagine most are common kitchen knives and probably even the humble Stanley knife mentioned in the video.
Wow!!! :o :o
UK Knife Laws and Possesion. The FACTS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUFlSKwQNY#)
OT: What's with the strange accent? Welsh or something?
<voice of doom>
However, if it went to court I wouldn't fancy my chances. Remember the reason we can not carry locking blades in the UK without reasonable cause (or lawful authority... I add this before the pedants have a go ;) ) is that it was successfully argued in court that a folding blade when locked becomes a fixed blade. Well, when you hold an opened Peasant knife it effectively becomes a fixed blade.
So technically its a non-locking folder and if the blade were shortened you could argue that its suitable for casual carry but I'm guessing that you'd end up in the magistrates court the next day. Who wants to be the test case? :P ;)
</voice of doom>
The voice of doom is right :tu: but if want me to shorten yours I'm happy to chop a bit off the end for you :salute:
They are lovely to work on, just held together with two screws and a pin,
take out the two screws and push the 'nut' bits out then wiggle and pull the scales apart
(use a screwdriver that fits well as the screws are very soft and its easy to ruin the head) :cheers:
Can we add the Leatherman Styles to the list please?A good reminder mate, cheers. :tu: So I've added the Styles and updated a few links. Also added a few Spyderco's to the list but I know there is more to do.
Got my Style PS from Travis yesterday and I think it's great :D
and EVENTUALLY (fingers crossed) there might be a Byrd Tern to add to the list ::)
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :) I'm going to work on the rest later.
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :) I'm going to work on the rest later.
I wasn't going to bother with colour variations but it can go in if folks want. :DOK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :) I'm going to work on the rest later.
You forgot the Pink subcom 42 :D
What about this, just in here SOG-Knives-Contractor-II (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/SOG-UK-Legal-Knives/SOG-Knives-Contractor-II/p-92-641-684-7329/) :tu:done. Plus the Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N (http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N)
What about this, just in here SOG-Knives-Contractor-II (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/SOG-UK-Legal-Knives/SOG-Knives-Contractor-II/p-92-641-684-7329/) :tu:done. Plus the Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N (http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N)
:cheers:
Cheap and cheerful - EKA Compact Folder - http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/)happy to say the EKA Compact was already on the list :D (and it really is a good knife, especially at under £15). Boker Nano now added. :cheers:
Cheap (ish) and soooo cool Boker Plus Nano 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/)
I've a nano on pre order :D
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock :think:the non-locking 'Sub-com' has the same look so I'm not too worried.
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock :think:
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock :think:the non-locking 'Sub-com' has the same look so I'm not too worried.
That Boker looks cool. I wonder is its "un-smooth" as the subcom slip joint though?I hope not, but it's not a deal breaker if it is, as you soon adapt to it :)
I got all excited then! :PSo did I. ::) I'll just have to stick with my Byrd Tern. :D
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Looks like Spyderco just came out with a UK friendly Dragonfly (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=789)!
*Runs away before rotten tomatos start flying*
Looks like Spyderco just came out with a UK friendly Dragonfly (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=789)!
*Runs away before rotten tomatos start flying*
:(
Big tease...
Just to add something on topic, I recently picked up a Ti UKPK and I have to say it's a bloody awesome knife.
:(
Big tease...
Just to add something on topic, I recently picked up a Ti UKPK and I have to say it's a bloody awesome knife.
Have you considered have some custom Ano done on it? That nice large flat area of Ti could be made to look very special.
Hmm... not really. I actually love the plain Ti thing. It wears well and matches my handbags and shoes :D
great stuff. :tu: I especially like the Sunwayman's with the coloured ring. :drool:Hmm... not really. I actually love the plain Ti thing. It wears well and matches my handbags and shoes :D
Ah wait I ment to include a link - http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing)
Matt who does the work is based in the UK. I know he's done a Ti UKPK as I've seen photos somewhere, might have been on USN.
The multi colour splash patterns he can make are unreal. But yes not to everyones taste.
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.
Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?
For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry? I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.
Thanks!
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.
Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?
For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry? I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.
Thanks!
Sounds is a gak iligal then :think: cutting edge under 3 inches
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.
Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?
For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry? I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.
Thanks!
Sounds is a gak iligal then :think: cutting edge under 3 inches
Im thinking about finnaly doing my Gak mod as jeff kindly sent me a pliers version recently and its perfect with work as a edc for me but not sure if i need to grind the blade down a bit as cutting edge under 3inches but over 3 from tang to tip :think:
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.
Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?
For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry? I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.
Thanks!
Sounds is a gak iligal then :think: cutting edge under 3 inches
Im thinking about finnaly doing my Gak mod as jeff kindly sent me a pliers version recently and its perfect with work as a edc for me but not sure if i need to grind the blade down a bit as cutting edge under 3inches but over 3 from tang to tip :think:
If cutting edge is less than 3" it's technically fine :tu:
I saw this at Heinnie's the other day:
http://www.heinnie.com/Liong-Mah-Folder/p--10175/
Nice price, good reviews :tu:
Doesn't look like the clip is ambidextrous so I probably won't be picking one up.
Thanks Gareth ... but ... errrmmm ......is the steady non-locking? Oops, I hadn't clocked that. :-[ hang on a sec......
:oops: I forgot to mention Gerber Steady too :-[
New one from SOG. Not sure about the dust collecting cutouts!interesting. Ugly, but interesting. ;)
http://www.heinnie.com/Sliptron-Stainless/p--10314/
As far as i understand the British knife law, the FOX ANSØ ZERO (http://www.foxcutlery.com/n/en/product/584/zero_by_anso_design.html) is also a UK-legal knife. ;)
This Youtube video also shows the mechanism of the knife: http://youtu.be/wDT8l4uOfkU
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM ! :ahhh
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM ! :ahhh
Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe :rofl:
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM ! :ahhh
I'd love to see those one day. :pok:While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM ! :ahhh
Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe :rofl:
Sounds about right. :D
I'd love to see those one day. :pok:While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.
Here is as good a break down as I can find.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)
This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.
http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)
So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2"). A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM ! :ahhh
Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe :rofl:
Sounds about right. :D
Guess we need to and the Spyderco Roadie too
http://www.heinnie.com/spyderco-roadie
Guess we need to and the Spyderco Roadie too
http://www.heinnie.com/spyderco-roadie
You'll already find the Roadie if you follow the Spyrderco links. :)
Hi Guys,
I'm going to be spending some time in the UK in the next few months, and I've got a few questions - mods, i didn't want to start a new thread as there's already a few on UK legal EDC, but if you want i can.
ok, here goes - this thread started a long time ago (2008 ??) well before my time here . . . i assume that there's been no real change to the laws, hence my (new) Wave is still not legal ?
Also, i assume that my 12 yr olds Leap is illegal too as the blade locks ?
I usually carry a squirt P4, great little tool and from what i've read here 100% legal (right ?)
But I want something a bit bigger when I am in the UK - I'm a leatherman fan and thinking of one of the juices (probably S2) and leaving my beloved wave at home . . . Do the new ones lock ? The list at the start still lists them, but i think i read somewhere the new juices are locking ? Or did i imagine it ?
TBH, the jucie doesn't really do it for me, but i want a legal MT and it should cover most of what I need i think.
I'm also curious, can a police officer in the UK stop and search anyone they feel like ? Or can you refuse ? Just wondering what would lead to someone carrying something like a wave been searched if they're just going about their business ?
thanks guys :)
eamo
according to the leatherman site, the Juice SX has a locking blade - is this the same for the rest of the new juice series ?
not saying i'm right - i done a comparison between the juice S2 and SX, and it came up there - i've attached a screenshot. I've never played with a juice before, so i honestly have no idea.
Pablo, going off topic (as usual) what are the laws here ?
ok, i wouldn't bring my wave into any of the towns near me, but where i live, well you rarely see a garda, even if you're looking for one :) so it's never bothered me - then again, i live in the arse end of sam maguire country :D :D :D
and, my lads are forbidden from taking their hikers/leap outside the house without express permission from me.
Pablo, going off topic (as usual) what are the laws here ?
ok, i wouldn't bring my wave into any of the towns near me, but where i live, well you rarely see a garda, even if you're looking for one :) so it's never bothered me - then again, i live in the arse end of sam maguire country :D :D :D
and, my lads are forbidden from taking their hikers/leap outside the house without express permission from me.
Unfortunatly, knives and pointy objects of any description are ILLIEGAL to carry in public spaces in Ireland, period.
You need a good reason to carry them, like you need them for work, hunting, fishing, camping etc. Thats the kind of excuses you need to have them in a public space, and its not allowed, for example, to carry the knife into a shop on the way to camp. Or carry it at 2am.
It all depends on the guard. If he/she decides to let you off the hook after catching you with a knife, he/she can. Equally, he/she can arrest you. Its up to them.
A fuller explaination is below, with the law written out too:
http://www.bushcraft.ie/index.php/articles/58-knives-and-the-law
As you see, its much worse than even the UK. :rofl:
Indeed! Stay away! >:D >:D
Hell down here for multi and SAK carriers. :rofl:
Damon,getting back to the SX,that's the surf specific Juice. That picture/site you found is the only reference to a locking Juice I've found. As a heads up,Amazon.co.uk have old S2 for about £45 at the moment.
Have a look in the Mod Squad...Gareth,50ft-trad and myself,amongst others have modded a variety of tools to a Bladeless spec for full UK legality
see the pliers on the vics are lightweight, same as my squirt. nothing wrong with them, my squirt gets a lot of use (not meaning to cause offence to anyone, i mean compared to my wave).
i have an old battered swisschamp thats been on a lot of trips with me, got a lot of use over the years, i've just gotten used to something beefier (i guess) like the wave. So, the vic and small leathermans are ruled out. My squirt covers that base.
I have time to play with my dilemma :)
Getting a seperate blade like the spartan does have an appeal though. I do like the hikers my lads have, very nice knife and covers everything needed except for the pliers.
I think at this stage i might be overthinking this ??? :-[
Gareth, would that be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" or interesting as in "hey, thats a really cool interesting tool" ??? :D
it's not going to be my main MT, i just want to have something a bit bigger (and legal) then my squirt with me, in fact i'll leave it in the UK when i leave, for use when i'm over again during the summer (and as a tool for my host, who isn't into MT's despite my trying) - it should be with me today, hopefully.
I have a wave which i love, and a Squirt P4 which goes everywhere, for it's small size i think is a really really good little tool, bigtime. Probably my most used.
Gareth, would that be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" or interesting as in "hey, thats a really cool interesting tool" ??? :D
it's not going to be my main MT, i just want to have something a bit bigger (and legal) then my squirt with me, in fact i'll leave it in the UK when i leave, for use when i'm over again during the summer (and as a tool for my host, who isn't into MT's despite my trying) - it should be with me today, hopefully.
I have a wave which i love, and a Squirt P4 which goes everywhere, for it's small size i think is a really really good little tool, bigtime. Probably my most used.
LOL. That's "interesting" as in "interesting design ideas". :D I have some issues with the design execution (hard to get out the screwdrivers for example), but it's still one of the few MTs that would fulfill your above criteria.
LOL. That's "interesting" as in "interesting design ideas". :D I have some issues with the design execution (hard to get out the screwdrivers for example), but it's still one of the few MTs that would fulfill your above criteria.
ok, so i've had it a day - mostly only used the knife and played with the rest of the tools - yes i did manage to cut myself on the large flatblade screwdriver as it kind of came out with a bit of force because of the spring i guess, but the tools dont seem as stiff / difficult to get out as i've read with other juices. It is a pre 2014 model which seems better then the updated version, someone (I think Chako ?) done a great review a while back.
anyway, so far i'm happy :) i will be using it as my main MT until the middle of January so i might give a more detailed impression then.
...
The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
Does have a few pointy bits though :P
Neil
Very true that.
I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously? :D
also is any of the leatherman squirts UK Legal?
The new Fallkniven LTC is Legal To Carry.
I understand. I like the U2, have abused one for years, but I think I'm gonna get me an LTC as well. I find the slimmer blade very attractive, and the colors too. I will have a green one if I can get it. Also, the LTC is lighter than the U2 (33 grams vs. 42). It's very expensive when compared with a Pioneer Solo though. Must be the premium steel.The new Fallkniven LTC is Legal To Carry.
I wish Fallkniven had made a slip joint version of their TK3/TK4 or U2 knives. These to me are much more distinctive designs ( I've owned a couple of TK4s and love almost everything about them bar the price :pok:)
But I guess the LTC is aimed more at buyers who are going to give it as a gift (hence the nice box and the inoffensive SAK like look) rather then use it personally :-\.
ooh, that's a bit nice. 8)
Still haven't got an LTC. I've noticed its price has gone up $20 recently, while I was waiting for it to go down! :(
Current price is $ 100, about twice what I'm willing to pay for it.
I'll just leave this here... :whistle:
(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8384.0;attach=312674)
Classic versus modern design aesthetics.... The BB Urban has supplanted the Boker as my primary EDC:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/IMG_5566_zpsxsjumylu.jpg)
So a quick pocket dump looks like this:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/20170506_152726_zps7yzkgey1.jpg)
Took the locks off my leatherman wave for the 2x knives and saw now u.k. legal carry.
True to his word, Nix sent the Terzuola slip joint and it arrived yesterday. It's probably not the style of Spyderco I'd normally go for, but it is very nice indeed.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/27386275049_b8e1f667bc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HJ2Ps2)
I'll use it over the holidays and post up some more thoughts elsewhere. Many thanks Nix. :cheers:
...meanwhile in London:
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800
Mayor of London statement:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
The comment on the thread are interesting..
...meanwhile in London:
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800
Mayor of London statement:
"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."
The comment on the thread are interesting..
Quite predictable but what do they expect from such a blanket statement? I have to say though, things are not looking very good over there.
so are knives getting seized by customs?
i ordered one from GB on 15th june and its not arrived yet.
a gravity knife :rofl:
sadiq khan 0
common sense 1
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.
I found that strange too.
If he needs a locking blade for work then why is it not issued officially? We get on a slippery slope if we let the officiers decide what they can carry "legally". Pepper spray? Extending baton? Nunchucks? Cattle prod? Samurai sword? Etc?
Personally, I see no reason to deny them a locking blade especially since it is a USEFUL TOOL. And maybe the law will lighten up on the rest of us too.I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.
I found that strange too.
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So, in the case of blades which are locking, or longer than, or is 3 inches long, if someone is going to camp site, woods, hills or mountains for camping, bushcrafting, hill walking, then it is OK to carry whatever tools in his backpack?
It's just carrying these tools in public streets, town centres and markets ...etc without reasonable purposes, that would be illegal.
Am I correct on this? If not, please correct me.
So, in the case of blades which are locking, or longer than, or is 3 inches long, if someone is going to camp site, woods, hills or mountains for camping, bushcrafting, hill walking, then it is OK to carry whatever tools in his backpack?
It's just carrying these tools in public streets, town centres and markets ...etc without reasonable purposes, that would be illegal.
Am I correct on this? If not, please correct me.
That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.
Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.
The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.
That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.
Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.
The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.
That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.
Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.
The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.
Almost completely correct, however only a judge can decide guilt and or intent :tu:
Related question. I finished making a puukko for a friend but given the pandemic I would have to ship it rather than meet. Does anyone know how to send one? Most couriers seem to have exclusions for knives and sharp objects.
I send knives by Royal Mail all the time. Knives are ok as long as they aren’t on the banned weapons list. Just say it’s cutlery when they ask what it is.
Fixed blade puukko?
I might lose a Vic' classic tomorrow :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I'm off to the Shard (London) and it states "airport style" security scanners so I thought I'd give it a go :dunno:
https://www.the-shard.com/ (https://www.the-shard.com/)
I might need to replace the standard black with an Alox version :whistle: :rofl: (let's see ;) )
:cheers: Glad you still have your trusty Classic! :tu:Cheers Nix :cheers:
You got guts Surge 8) You also have a very weird key... wallet?What's wrong with my key wallet :pok:
I'm going to take a wild guess that you may be evaluating their 'airport style' security to see if it meets your lofty standards? Hopefully you won't be found out by someone with your enthusiasm :twak: :whistle:
What's wrong with my key wallet :pok:
It has to hold a credit card sized access card (so I can get into the shopping centre I live in ::) )
I'm in Wales next week so don't make me come looking for you :twak:
It's different from what I know and am used to, thus makes me scared of it and lash out appropriately, you weirdo :pok:FYI: I don't "camp" anywhere :twak: (did enough of that years ago!)
Mate, I know you're posh, but 'stealth camping' in Waitrose isn't the way to go :whistle:
Pfft, you'll probably be dahn saff even this side of the border ::)
FYI: I don't "camp" anywhere :twak: (did enough of that years ago!)
I shall be arriving in PortToiletTalbot tomorrow afternoon and then off to three cliffs the following day.
I shall leave the "Land of our Fathers" on Thursday morning and return to "Waitrose" :pok:
I will be equipped with the FX & Bond along with my Fenix E01 (I trust this meets with your foreign laws) :dunno:
I should think your gear nice enough to warrant the cross borderWell, we survived the trip (although GWR First Class have let themselves go :dunno: )muggingshake down yes, I've already called 'dibs' on you as an Englishman of 'taxing' interest :pok:
I've never been to Port water closet, but I hope you can make the most of your time in our lovely land given the unfortunate circumstances of your visit
...Wait that was far too nice to you err.... You smell of elderberries!
Boom.. And I'm back with my new favorite UK legal pocket knife.... The Bestech Junzi :climber:Just got myself a Junzi from Twisted Assisted (half the price of the original Bestech, by the way). They do a budget version in D2 with a range of different scales, but it’s still a cracking knife. With companion Rambler in Brass.
Well, it worked :tu:
I wasn't selected for a "Private Search" :pok:
The problem is that I still don't know if it's allowed or not (if you ask, it's a whole world of pain) If you take the chance, as I did, and win :woohoo: then it's all good :think:
Still, it was a great day and the views of London (and Essex, Kent, Middlesex & Surrey) were fantastic.
If you could, you should :tu:
What do you mean by allowed?https://www.the-shard.com/about/security
https://www.the-shard.com/about/security
Also:
"You can expect to see police patrols around the building, including by armed officers, and this is nothing to be alarmed about".
I imagine anyone causing a fuss might be given a free ride in the Blue Light Taxi to the local copshop, if only to give you a slapped wrist... and I imagine they'll still pinch your 3-incher, just to make the point.
Indeed but why would anyone cause a fuss - they have their own rules so follow them? However if they called in the cops, stand your ground you've not broken the law.Some people do like to cause a fuss, though. For the same reason people take it upon themselves to "audit" those in authority... which is basically pushing boundaries in the hope of getting an adverse reaction, which is why it's so often filmed and uploaded direct to YouTube at the time.
If they were foolish enough to arrest you, refuse any caution they might offer, get a solicitor and make a claim for Wrongful arrest / False imprisonmentGo ahead.
you would get what they took back or they also face a charge of theft/damages
probably best have it on film and/or seek their body cam footage though...
Some people do like to cause a fuss, though. For the same reason people take it upon themselves to "audit" those in authority... which is basically pushing boundaries in the hope of getting an adverse reaction, which is why it's so often filmed and uploaded direct to YouTube at the time.
But more importantly, this thing about SAKs being legal to carry only applies to public places. The Shard is open to the public, but it is not a public space in itself.
High Court of Justice – claim no. QB-2018-0004473
"On 27 February 2020, an order was made in the High Court of Justice prohibiting anyone from entering in or remaining at The Shard or Shard Place without permission.
Anyone in breach of this injunction will be in contempt of court and may be imprisoned, fined or have their assets seized".
So under this High Court order, if they tell you to go because you're packing a SAK and you kick up a fuss or start bleating legalities at them, you may well find your collar getting felt.
Go ahead.
They can arrest you "on suspicion" of anything they like - After all, you will have been asked not to bring any bladed items and you show up with just such a thing... that's pretty suspicious, if you ask me!
They may not actually charge you with a crime in the end, but you'll still have to endure the inconvenience of being arrested, detained and processed, however long that takes... all because you wanted to be a smurf-head over a pretty minor legal interpretation. Even if it's just causing harassment, alarm or distress contrary to the Public Order Act 1986, or another similar offence, which in plain speak is known as being a smurf.
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You can't use a court injunction agains people trying to climb the outside of a building to cover somone turing up with a legal item on their person that an establihment has decided they don't want you to bring in.Of course you can - The wording is deliberately vague and covers a wide range of possibilities. This is what lawyers are for.
my simple point was if you face such a situation don't be bullied into believing you've broken the law - you havn't, the law doesn't change because you've entered said establishment - only in a select few is it the case,You don't need to break a law to be arrested. Also, Police officers won't always know the full nuances of every single law but carrying a knife in today's Knife-Crime UK climate, especially to a place that clearly prohibits such things, is reasonable grounds enough for a suspicion that can lead to an arrest.
Of course you can - The wording is deliberately vague and covers a wide range of possibilities. This is what lawyers are for.
Context is key and discretion is paramount. Anywhere that has metal detectors and armed Police securing it is not the place to be testing the finer points of legal interpretation.
You don't need to break a law to be arrested.
It is a bit like carrying a jerry can of petrol into the pub - It's not illegal to carry petrol in a public place, but that doesn't mean you should.
Context is key- indeed, that's my point,Doesn't matter - They have the same kind of security that Windsor Castle has. Presumably there's a reason, but the end results are the same... and so are the prerequisites of entry, pretty much.
metal detectors and armed Police I wonder how much Qatar pay for that and why they would need it for a commercial building...
and if they are in the wrong, call them on it, ignorance of the law is no excuse after all ;)Again not a factor, because you would only be arrested on suspicion of something.
Doesn't matter - They have the same kind of security that Windsor Castle has. Presumably there's a reason, but the end results are the same... and so are the prerequisites of entry, pretty much.
Again not a factor, because you would only be arrested on suspicion of something.
The point is, they've asked you in advance not to bring any blades, so don't be an arse about it.
Doesn't matter to you that a foreign power are either using your taxes or paying members of the crown to 'protect' them from your legal right to do something?Not a factor in this topic, especially without substantiation of such an assertion.
You cannot legally be detained for a suspicion of 'something'So I don't know exactly which law or legislation a given officer will choose to arrest you on suspicion of breaking or breaching.
there is no legal obligation if you are 'asked' - something is legal or it isn'tI'm sure shouting that as they drag you away that will sway the populace into rising up in revolution against the corrupt foreign-owned establishment, perhaps even singing stirring songs of the ilk most commonly found in musicals about Victor Hugo novels... but you'll still be dragged away.
'terms of entry' are for the most part a civil matterThe Police can still escort you off the premises, along with various other civil-based actions in order to 'keep the peace', plus various other actions under their powers if they believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime. That might need some questioning and sorting out down the station, but you're still going for that ride.
Well, this has all kicked off since my last post, hasn't it :rofl:
Most things are legal as long as you don't leave the house :popcorn:
It certainly has but I'm going to walk away now that true colours are on display