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Title: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 08:00:19 PM
Ok if like me your tired of trawling the internet for interesting, but UK street legal edc how about we make a list of them here for easy reference for us poor oppressed Brits :)

Add your sugestions, and either Ben or myself will edit them into this thread to make life easier all round :)

So it's up to you fella's to make this idea work, so get listing :)

Folding knives

Spyderco Slip Joints - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=18 (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=18)
Spyderco Slipit's - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=16 (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/list.php?category=16)
CRKT Journeyer - http://www.crkt.com/journeyer-folding-knife?srch_pid=714&child=714&search_id=1132996
CRKT Liong Mah Folder - http://www.crkt.com/Design5-Folding-Pocket-Knife
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/Edgie-Self-Sharpening-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge (http://www.crkt.com/Edgie-Self-Sharpening-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge)
CRKT Slip KISS - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS--275-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge-Anthracite-Scales-Knife?&search_id=983345 (http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS--275-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge-Anthracite-Scales-Knife?&search_id=983345)
CRKT Slip KISS II - http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS-2--2375-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge?&search_id=983345 (http://www.crkt.com/Slip-KISS-2--2375-Blade-Razor-Sharp-Edge?&search_id=983345)
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578 (http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578)
Boker Plus Subcom 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/boker-plus-knives-subcom-42
Boker Plus Nano - http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/)
Boker Trance 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Boker-Plus-UK-Legal-/Boker-Plus-Trance-42/p-92-641-765-5217/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/Boker-Plus-UK-Legal-/Boker-Plus-Trance-42/p-92-641-765-5217/)
Falkniven U1 - http://www.fallkniven.com/en/shop/details/462/22/folding-knives/slip-joint/u1c
Douk-Douk (small) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douk-Douk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douk-Douk)
Moki Thuja UK - http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/ (http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/)
Maserin Marinera - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49 (http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49)
Maserin Colt Temperino - http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983 (http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983)
Kershaw Mini Biner - http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=480&brand=kershaw (http://www.kershawknives.com/productdetails.php?id=480&brand=kershaw)
Byrd Wings Slippit - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=398 (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=398)
Byrd Tern - http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=679 (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=679)
Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65 (http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65)
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html (http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html)
Sanrenmu H02 - http://www.sanrenmu.com/sanrenmu-h02.html (http://www.sanrenmu.com/sanrenmu-h02.html)
Opinel's No2-No5 - http://boutique.opinel-musee.com/index_uk.aspx?Globales%2fRZ=3473&Rf=ZUAML92QQQQQQWUJH4MPAQYFTQ&Param%2fIdGamme=1655&Param%2fIdFournisseur=10708&Param%2fIdMagasin=0&Param%2fIdProduit=7315&NumEtape=3 (http://boutique.opinel-musee.com/index_uk.aspx?Globales%2fRZ=3473&Rf=ZUAML92QQQQQQWUJH4MPAQYFTQ&Param%2fIdGamme=1655&Param%2fIdFournisseur=10708&Param%2fIdMagasin=0&Param%2fIdProduit=7315&NumEtape=3)
EKA Swede 90 - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/609004-swede-90.html (http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/609004-swede-90.html)
EKA Compact - http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/703504-compact.html (http://ekaknives.co.uk/folding-knives/703504-compact.html)
SOG Contractor II - http://sogknives.com/store/EL-20.html (http://sogknives.com/store/EL-20.html)
Fantoni Dweller - http://www.heinnie.com/fantoni-dweller
Enzo PK70 - https://www.brisa.fi/port...d=index&cPath=119_316

Many traditional style pocket knives are OK, just make sure that what you are looking at  has all the blades sub 3" and is non-locking.  Some makers to look at:
W.R Case - http://www.wrcase.com/index_en.php (http://www.wrcase.com/index_en.php)
A.Wright - http://heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/A.Wright-UK-Legal-Knives/c-1-92-641-818/ (http://heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/A.Wright-UK-Legal-Knives/c-1-92-641-818/)
Rough Rider - http://www.heinnie.com/knives-and-tools/folding-blade-knives/f/brand/roughrider/uk_friendly_carry/yes
There are many more traditional knife makers out there though.

Swiss Army Knives - All those with a blade below 3" and where the blade does not lock.  Below are a good selection.

Victorinox Soldier (make sure it's the 2 handed ALOX version) - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E (http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E)
Victorinox Swisschamp - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E (http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E)

Multitools

Bear and Son Bear Jaws/ Super Bear Jaws (those without locks) - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/bear-and-son-bear-jaws.html (http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/bear-and-son-bear-jaws.html)
Leatherman Juice series - http://www.leatherman.com/family/multi-tools/Pocket-Size_Tools (http://www.leatherman.com/family/multi-tools/Pocket-Size_Tools)
Leatherman Knifeless Fuse - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Knifeless_Fuse (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Knifeless_Fuse)
Leatherman Squirt PS4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_PS4 (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_PS4)
Leatherman Squirt ES4 - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_ES4 (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_ES4)
Leatherman Style - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style)
Leatherman Style CS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_CS (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_CS)
Leatherman Style PS - http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_PS (http://www.leatherman.com/product/Style_PS)
Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N (http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N)
Gerber Shard - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Shard-Keychain-Tool_31-000400 (http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Shard-Keychain-Tool_31-000400)
Gerber Splice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Splice-Pocket-Tool_31-000013 (http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Splice-Pocket-Tool_31-000013)
Gerber Vice - http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Vice-Pocket-Tool_31-000021 (http://www.gerbergear.com/Essentials/Tools/Vice-Pocket-Tool_31-000021)
Gerber Solstice - http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html (http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html)
Gerber Dime - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Essentials/Tools/Dime-Red_31-001040
Gerber Balance - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Essentials/Tools/Balance-Jaw-Tool-Gray_31-001250
Gerber Steady - http://www.gerbergear.co.uk/Outdoor/Tools/Steady-Tool_31-001043
Atwood tools (all bladeless models) - http://www.atwoodknives.com/ (http://www.atwoodknives.com/)
Swiss-Tech tools - http://www.swisstechtools.com/ (http://www.swisstechtools.com/)
Sebertech tools - http://www.multitool.org/Miscellaneous-Tools/Keyring-Tools/2008/01/11/sebertech-m3.html (http://www.multitool.org/Miscellaneous-Tools/Keyring-Tools/2008/01/11/sebertech-m3.html)
CRKT Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Guppie?&search_id=983567 (http://www.crkt.com/Guppie?&search_id=983567)
CRKT Li'l Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/Lil-Guppie?&search_id=983567 (http://www.crkt.com/Lil-Guppie?&search_id=983567)
CRKT Get-a-way driver - http://www.crkt.com/Get-a-Way-Driver-Torx-Set (http://www.crkt.com/Get-a-Way-Driver-Torx-Set)
Byrd Firebyrd - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207 (http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207)
Beretta Shotgun tool - http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/ (http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/)
Gatco/Timberline Frog Tool - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html (http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html)
Latshaw Pocketwrench II - http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=16106.0 (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=16106.0)
Wenger Minigrip - http://www.multitool.org/Wenger/Small-Tools/2006/10/30/wenger-pocketgripminigrip.html (http://www.multitool.org/Wenger/Small-Tools/2006/10/30/wenger-pocketgripminigrip.html)

UK carry laws, in English!...


It is illegal to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place (with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is less than 7.62 cm (3 inches)).

A lock knife is not a folding pocket knife and therefore it is illegal to carry around such a knife regardless of the length of the blade. A lock knife means a knife which is similar to a folding knife, in that there is a spring holding the blade closed. However, a lock knife has a mechanism which locks the blade in position when fully extended, the blade cannot be closed without that mechanism being released. A lock knife is not an offensive weapon per se (because these knives were made with a specific purpose in mind and not as a weapon). However, possession of a lock knife in a public place without reasonable excuse is an offence.

Possession of a multi-tool incorporating a prohibited blade/pointed article is capable of being an offence under this section even if there are other tools on the instrument which may be of use to a person in a public place (screwdriver, can opener).

The ban is not total, it is for the person in possession of such an instrument to prove on the balance of probabilities that he/she had good reason for its possession. It will have to be genuine, for example, someone back packing across the Lake District may reasonably be expected to have a knife for the preparation of meals. It will be far more difficult to justify on the streets of a city or town, but there will be occasions when someone is genuinely going to a martial arts sport or scout meeting (which is easily checked).

The penalty for committing this offence is a minimum prison sentence of six months, maximum four years and/or a fine.


The UK carry laws legal speak...

CJA 1988 – Section 139: Offence of having article with blade or point in
public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this
section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove
that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public
place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a
person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with
him —
a. for use at work;
b. for religious reasons; or
c. as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable -
a. on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
b. on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two
years, or a fine, or both.
(Continues overleaf)
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public
have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
The text quoted on this card is from the Criminal Justice Act 1988
and can be checked for veracity (or for any changes to the law) online at:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim (http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim)
ary&PageNumber=1&Year=1988&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId
=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116820&filesize=4465
Please type the above URL into your web browser as one line of text, there are no spaces.


Handy link :) http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf (http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf)

Disclaimer - This thread is intended as a guide only, you are responsible for insuring that you are working within the Law.  Multitool.org, the owner and staff will bear absolutely no responsibility for your actions.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
I think this is a great idea and I'll start with a few OH legal EDC folders;

Spyderco UKPK - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=243
Spyderco Pride - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=62
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/edgie.html
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 08:23:37 PM
Thought links would be handy, so I have edited my post above.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 08:26:37 PM
Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  ::)

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  :police:

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 08:29:08 PM
Also don't carry these:

    *  flick knives
    * gravity knives
    * knuckle-dusters
    * sword-sticks
    * samurai swords
    * hand-claws
    * foot-claws
    * belt-buckle knives
    * push daggers
    * butterfly knives
    * blow-pipes or guns
    * kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
    * shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
    * telescopic truncheons (automatically extending)
    * kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * disguised knives (for example, lipstick knives)
    * stealth knives
    * straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons

Above + public place = Prison :pok: :police:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on December 30, 2008, 08:39:28 PM
How about the good old http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 08:43:59 PM
Spyderco UKPK,
Spyderco Pride,
CRKT Edgie,
Boker Buddy.


Oh wait Benner said those  ::)

Basically any non locking (liner/frame/lockback or other locking mechanism) under 3" or 7.62 cm is allowed (and  where the blade folds into the handle).

Remember....no gravity knives, no flick knives, no "combat" knives, no auto's, no switchblades', no butterfly knives and no disguised knives.

If you breach this the maximum penalty for carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000.

And breath  :police:

I reckon best value is the CRKT Edgie...best performer Spyderco UKPK...best all rounder SAK Swisschamp.

Any questions feel free to ask or PM  :salute:

I think the Swisschamp is probably the most non knife user friendly EDC knife available.  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on December 30, 2008, 09:04:16 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:06:59 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

We can indeed as it is therefore no longer a locker. 

People have made alterations to axis locks to make them EDCable as well.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 09:34:09 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:37:28 PM
Heh, those prohibited weapon sounds like Canada's, you know those ninja stars are really leathal!
 
Can you guys carry opinel with lock ring popped off?

There's also the smaller opinels that have no lock, I think No.5 and below.  Any 58mm, 74mm, 84mm, 91mm, 93mm Vic. is OK.  Technically the 108mm is legal as well but as its over 76mm with the tang its probably not wise.  Obviously the larger 111mm Vics. are a no no.  Most of the 85mm and smaller Wengers are OK but any with the padloc system are a no go.

What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

Neil

I think strictly speaking those aren't legal either, however, I am sure I have seen discussions where that is just regarded as being a little OTT.

Also, strictly speaking, saw's that lock and/or are over 3" and aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.

I'd be interested in hearing Flash's take on it though.  :)

(Juice's added)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 09:44:47 PM

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.


I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:46:11 PM

Also, strictly speaking, saw's aren't legal EDC either.  Again though I think that is being a bit OTT.


I would imagine saws come into the sharp and or pointy category, so if under 76mm and non-locking would still be OK.

Neil

Sorry I meant that, so will edit my post above to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 09:46:41 PM
eeeeeeeeeeer OK well um this is where the "Black and white" of the judicious system gets a little "grey"

Officer discretion applies here as well as this summary (written by someone else):

The Act specifies a number of reasonable excuses for having custody of a knife. This does not limit any other reasonable excuse that a person might have although self defence or defence of another person is not a reasonable excuse for having custody of a knife.
Under the Act it is a reasonable excuse for a person to have custody of a knife, if the custody is reasonably necessary in all circumstances for any of the following:-

          o lawful pursuit of the person's occupation
          o preparation or consumption of food or drink
          o participation in a lawful entertainment, recreation or sport
          o exhibition of knives for retail or other trade purposes
          o organised exhibition by knife collectors
          o wearing of an official uniform
          o genuine relgious purposes

            or during travel to or from or incidental to any of these activities

So its a strange one with regards to the Locking MT's...To not tempt fate why not stick with a juice or a Pocket Power thingy.  :salute:

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
But what about the fact that when closed (say on a PST) the blade can't close as it will hit the other handle?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on December 30, 2008, 09:53:35 PM

          o genuine relgious purposes

You know, I think I've read in u.k. if you get so many members you will be given official religion status, like how jedi is now recognized as an official religion.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:54:49 PM

          o genuine relgious purposes

You know, I think I've read in u.k. if you get so many members you will be given official religion status, like how jedi is now recognized as an official religion.

Nice idea!  :D An MTO religion.  :D 

I wonder how many members you need?  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 09:55:46 PM
So where can I buy a lightsabre...


Benner....would the PP be viewed as a form of frame lock?  I honestly don't know and reckon it would take a stated case at a court to decide it.

As a mod why don't you sacrifice yourself for the greater good  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 09:58:01 PM
So where can I buy a lightsabre...


Benner....would the PP be viewed as a form of frame lock?  I honestly don't know and reckon it would take a stated case at a court to decide it.

As a mod why don't you sacrifice yourself for the greater good  :pok:

Although I love this place, I don't love it that much.  :D

I'm torn now whether to add the PST for example to the list now.  :-\  I can't say I would ever be worried about carrying one.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 10:15:08 PM
Gerber Shortcut - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/89 and Gerber Clutch - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/97 added as I am safe with those.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 10:21:04 PM
Given the present climate perhaps it would be wise to keep the list to those we know to be legal rather than think are.   Then again, given the reaction of people to any size or shape of blade we could just give up now and just presume they'll be grief if we dare to use a Classic in a public place  :-\

It might also be an idea to mention that vehicles are also considered public spaces and that all bets are off as to what you can or can't carry on the public transport system  :ahhh

Isn't the law so much fun :P :P

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 10:24:18 PM
Given the present climate perhaps it would be wise to keep the list to those we know to be legal rather than think are.   Then again, given the reaction of people to any size or shape of blade we could just give up now and just presume they'll be grief if we dare to use a Classic in a public place  :-\

It might also be an idea to mention that vehicles are also considered public spaces and that all bets are off as to what you can or can't carry on the public transport system  :ahhh

Isn't the law so much fun :P :P

Neil

I think you are right, this list should be definites only.  :tu:

The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 10:31:55 PM
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The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 10:32:55 PM
...
The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil

Very true that.

I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously?  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 10:35:31 PM
...
The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil

Very true that.

I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously?  :D

Are you maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad?  :ahhh

Didn't you ever blow a grass reed at school and get cut  :cry:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 10:36:35 PM
You'd be carted off for sure but not for breaking the law ;)  (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/idiot2.gif)

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 10:36:43 PM
Good work so far fella's :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 10:41:09 PM
One of my personel favourite that I just can't justify owning coz of the price :o Falkniven U1 http://fallkniven.com/u1/us-u1.htm  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 10:49:21 PM
Are they that much more than a UKPK?   Not really, now go buy one so I can play with it ;)

"The blade is instead held in place with an springsteel key, a technique which has been in use for more than 100 years and which ensures that the blade does not fold."  They seem very confident of that  ::)

Anyone own one of these?

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 10:51:53 PM
Are they that much more than a UKPK?   Not really, now go buy one so I can play with it ;)

"The blade is instead held in place with an springsteel key, a technique which has been in use for more than 100 years and which ensures that the blade does not fold."  They seem very confident of that  ::)

Anyone own one of these?

Neil
I'm waiting for Spyderco to get there arse into gear and get the Urban out ::), but it is really tempting as it's a cracking wee knife :drool:

I think Bob (Bison) has got one, but that might be a U2 I can't remember :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 10:58:55 PM
Douk-Douk small https://edcdepot.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=43&products_id=160

Nice steel that one, very sharp!  :o  Not the most refined though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:00:16 PM
Gerber Multiplier (pre MP series)
Leatherman Squirt series

And i think the Leatherman Hybrid :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:02:50 PM
Gerber Multiplier (pre MP series)
Leatherman Squirt series

The Multiplier can't be counted as the handle may stop the blade closing.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:04:22 PM
And i think the Leatherman Hybrid :think:

The Hybrid for the same reason.

I'll add the Squirt.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:06:38 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:07:06 PM
Well 1 out of 3 ain't bad ::) :P :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:08:58 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:09:12 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:

What, like the first post?  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:09:29 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:13:38 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

 :D :D :D
It's great when we get to behave like proper mods and bully people :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:16:47 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:17:37 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:17:44 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)

Here  :-[

 :D :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:19:28 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :D

But you'll never take my Freeeeeeeeeeeedom


How about the Gerber Shard or any of the Atwood (Multi use) keyring tools and some of the "true utilty" line (for what their worth)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:20:10 PM
Gerber Solstice.... i think.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:21:40 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :D

But you'll never take my Freeeeeeeeeeeedom


How about the Gerber Shard or any of the Atwood (Multi use) keyring tools and some of the "true utilty" line (for what their worth)

I'll add all bladeless Atwoods.

The Shard isn't available yet, so I'll keep it off for now.

Gerber Solstice.... i think.

Yes  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:24:19 PM
Isn't it about time one of the "Super mods" made a list....get the thread looking neat and professional like?  :pok:
What like the first post you mean :P

Ahhhhhhhh...where is that embarrassed smilee

Cough...move along...nothing to see here...erm....ah...uh....(taxi for Flash)............................aha saviour of the (trails off into the distance)
Another one broken >:D :D :D

But you'll never take my Freeeeeeeeeeeedom


How about the Gerber Shard or any of the Atwood (Multi use) keyring tools and some of the "true utilty" line (for what their worth)
I don't need to take your freedom, that's what HM government are for :D

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:24:59 PM
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the Queen  :police:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:26:14 PM
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the Queen  :police:
She's to manky to pull anyway :D

Wait, is that treason :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:26:48 PM
How about this guy

http://www.jdrknifeandtool.com/

Some of it is Multi use and bladeless.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 11:27:10 PM
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the queen  :police:

Mike's safe then :P :D

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:27:31 PM
Swiss-Tech tools, not sure about all of them but certainly most of them?
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Swiss-Tech
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:28:20 PM
I can arrest ANYONE apart from the queen  :police:

Mike's safe then :P :D

Neil
Bugger ye off :twak: :twak: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:28:39 PM
Try these

http://www.heinnie.com/ycfyof1009887/Pocket-Tools/SeberTool/c-1-94-223/
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:28:58 PM
Swiss-Tech tools, not sure about all of them but certainly most of them?
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Swiss-Tech
Yep they get my vote :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
Your turn to add some Mike, I'm getting behind here.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:30:27 PM
Your turn to add some Mike, I'm getting behind here.  :D
Just done the Swisstech just going for the seber now :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:30:53 PM
How about

CRKT Guppie
CRKT Get away driver
CRKT Lumabiner


Does the Zilla tool lock?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:31:38 PM
How about

CRKT Guppie
CRKT Get away driver
CRKT Lumabiner


Does the Zilla tool lock?

The Zilla locks yes.

I'll add the others.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
(Only time I will ever be nice in public)

Good work Ben, Micky d and the rest of the gang....this work will help a lot of people.  :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 11:32:28 PM
Try these

http://www.heinnie.com/ycfyof1009887/Pocket-Tools/SeberTool/c-1-94-223/

M2, M3 good but M4 locks.  Shame really as it looks quite decent  :-\

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:33:06 PM
(Only time I will ever be nice in public)

Good work Ben, Micky d and the rest of the gang....this work will help a lot of people.  :cheers:
Well let's hope it does :)

And good on you all for the detective work :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:33:33 PM
How can you forget the

Berretta Shotgun Tool  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:34:02 PM
Gerber Cool Tool :)
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:35:15 PM
Gerber Cool Tool :)
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\

Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:35:54 PM
Fire byrd...knife, bottle opener and lighter  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hawkchucker on December 30, 2008, 11:36:45 PM
A popsicle can be carried in Britan. You just have to cut it down to 2 inches.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:36:54 PM
Fire byrd...knife and lighter  :D
True :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:37:18 PM
Gerber Cool Tool :)
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\

Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???

I think it should be anything really.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:37:41 PM
Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\

Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???

I don't think so, as you can still pick up (most) discontinued tools from various places, plus people may have one sitting around not doing anything and may think "oh i wonder if thats legal to carry around with me?" :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on December 30, 2008, 11:38:08 PM
It might be easier to add all "Non locking, under 3" Wenger and SAKS as a cover all
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:40:23 PM
Gerber Cool Tool :)
https://wiki.multitool.org/tiki-index.php?page=Cool+Tool
Hmm but practically unattainable now :-\

Do we want to draw the line at discontinued tool ???

I think it should be anything really.
Ok anything goes then :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:43:15 PM
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:44:44 PM
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:

I had already done the Firebyrd.  :D

I called it an MT though.  Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hawkchucker on December 30, 2008, 11:45:12 PM
What about the Lm mini
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:45:24 PM
It might be easier to add all "Non locking, under 3" Wenger and SAKS as a cover all

Done, but I have left a section for a good selection.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:46:01 PM
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:

I had already done the Firebyrd.  :D

I called it an MT though.  Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
I wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\

But I guess you right, I'll delete my entry :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:46:17 PM
What about the Lm mini

That would sadly fall foul as the blade would not be able to be closed with the handles closed.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:46:55 PM
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:

I had already done the Firebyrd.  :D

I called it an MT though.  Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
I wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\

But I guess you right, I'll delete my entry :)

Could be either really.  I just called it a MT as it had a bottle opener and came with a lighter.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 30, 2008, 11:48:04 PM
What about the Lm mini

That would sadly fall foul as the blade would not be able to be closed with the handles closed.

And that sucks so badly  :cry:

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:48:26 PM
Cool tool and Firebird added :tu:

I had already done the Firebyrd.  :D

I called it an MT though.  Your thread Mike, delete whatever you think.
I wasn't sure if it was an MT or not :-\

But I guess you right, I'll delete my entry :)

Could be either really.  I just called it a MT as it had a bottle opener and came with a lighter.  :D
Just what every murderous, alcoholic pyromanic needs :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:49:01 PM
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:49:53 PM
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D

Didn't it have a saw?

Also, that spike is I'm sure.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hawkchucker on December 30, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
Bummer the mini is like the most non agressive tool out there. It actually looks like a doll toy.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:50:30 PM
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D
Bid's for tool design immortality don't count :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:51:19 PM
Didn't it have a saw?

Also, that spike is I'm sure.

It has a jigsaw blade attachment which i can just remove the blade from (not that its sharp anyway its a remgrit blade) and the spike never made it on to the final layout :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:51:44 PM
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D
Bid's for tool design immortality don't count :P

Meanie :( :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:51:56 PM
Didn't it have a saw?

Also, that spike is I'm sure.
and the spike never made it on to the final layout :D

:( :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 30, 2008, 11:52:17 PM
Didn't it have a saw?

Also, that spike is I'm sure.

It has a jigsaw blade attachment which i can just remove the blade from (not that its sharp anyway its a remgrit blade) and the spike never made it on to the final layout :D


You'd be safe with that then.  :)

Still not going on the list though.  :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 30, 2008, 11:52:42 PM
My Gerber RoadieDET ....no one said it had to be a production model :P :D
Bid's for tool design immortality don't count :P

Meanie :( :(
I'm a mod, being mean is in the job description :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on December 30, 2008, 11:53:39 PM
You'd be safe with that then.  :)

Still not going on the list though.  :P

As it was designed to be 8)

And all you mods are mean :( :P :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 31, 2008, 12:22:09 AM
Right I'm off to bed in a minute, as I've got boyo for the next 3 days :)

Just wanted to say a big thank you for all your help fella's :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 12:30:09 AM
We've certainly made a great start.  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on December 31, 2008, 03:29:00 AM
PST should be on there - it ain't a locker!

So should be the PST II, Sideclip, Micra and Flair!

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 31, 2008, 08:44:30 AM
PST should be on there - it ain't a locker!

So should be the PST II, Sideclip, Micra and Flair!


I agree there non locking, it's just you can't close the blade without hiting the other handle, so technically there not 100% legal, I know it's stupid but then so is the law ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on December 31, 2008, 09:11:36 AM
Leatherman call it the Posi-Stop feature .They obviously can't call it a locking device because it isn't . I personally would EDC one myself as a non locker BUT technically the blade doesn't close all the way so it could be classed as a locking blade  >:( This discussion about the PST has been going on for years  :( and just goes round and round .

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 31, 2008, 02:48:16 PM
How about this? The Moki Thuja UK http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/

I don't have one but it had a good reception over on BB.  It is a shame it still looks like a locker but I suspect the reason they didn't re-model the scales was to keep tooling costs down.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 31, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Yes, shame they didn't put new scales on it but non the less at least they thought about us poor Brits  :tu:
,
Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 04:31:06 PM
PST should be on there - it ain't a locker!

So should be the PST II, Sideclip, Micra and Flair!


I agree there non locking, it's just you can't close the blade without hiting the other handle, so technically there not 100% legal, I know it's stupid but then so is the law ::)

We are trying to list stuff that is 100% legal EDC.  I know that is being real picky, but it could be used against you if you were really unlucky.

I can't say it would stop me though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 04:31:55 PM
How about this? The Moki Thuja UK http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/

I don't have one but it had a good reception over on BB.  It is a shame it still looks like a locker but I suspect the reason they didn't re-model the scales was to keep tooling costs down.

It is indeed.  :tu:

I'll add it to the list.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: getahl on December 31, 2008, 04:48:51 PM
How about the Spyderco T-Mag? It's just under 3 inches, and uses a magnet rather than a lock (I think). http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=244
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 04:50:32 PM
How about the Spyderco T-Mag? It's just under 3 inches, and uses a magnet rather than a lock (I think). http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=244

It does indeed.  :)

I'll add that one as well.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on December 31, 2008, 04:53:34 PM
Leatherman call it the Posi-Stop feature .They obviously can't call it a locking device because it isn't . I personally would EDC one myself as a non locker BUT technically the blade doesn't close all the way so it could be classed as a locking blade  >:( This discussion about the PST has been going on for years  :( and just goes round and round .

Dunc

Exactly, so innocent until proven guilty, it should be in! By the same definition, a SAK blade is locking, 'cos your finger would be in the way ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 04:58:36 PM
Leatherman call it the Posi-Stop feature .They obviously can't call it a locking device because it isn't . I personally would EDC one myself as a non locker BUT technically the blade doesn't close all the way so it could be classed as a locking blade  >:( This discussion about the PST has been going on for years  :( and just goes round and round .

Dunc

Exactly, so innocent until proven guilty, it should be in! By the same definition, a SAK blade is locking, 'cos your finger would be in the way ;)


LOL!  :D  That's a bit weak isn't it.  :D

We discussed this earlier and decided that it should only be stuff we are 100% certain on, so sadly the PST and similar are out.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on December 31, 2008, 05:01:30 PM
Well, until someone comes up with something to conclusively prove that it's illegal, I'll consider it be legal, as is widely accepted!



Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 05:03:03 PM
Well, until someone comes up with something to conclusively prove that it's illegal, I'll consider it be legal, as is widely accepted!





You do that then.  :)

It's not going on the list though.  ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 31, 2008, 05:03:37 PM
I dub this thread, stickiefied :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 31, 2008, 05:06:16 PM
Well, until someone comes up with something to conclusively prove that it's illegal, I'll consider it be legal, as is widely accepted!




You go for it mate, and I'm sure you'd be fine, but for the benefit of this thread it has to be 100% legal and not open to intepretation :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on December 31, 2008, 06:55:07 PM
Gatco/Timberline Frog tool http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: appletree_man on January 01, 2009, 01:48:41 AM
What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

Neil
Because of this closing the legality of the Micra & PST still worries me. It's a bit of a scaremonger frenzy here at the mo  >:(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 01, 2009, 05:42:43 PM
What about plier based MTs?  The LM Juice range are OK but what about others?  I'm always slightly concerned about tools like the Mini or the PT-510 as whilst there is no lock on the blade once the blade is out and the tool closed back up the blade can't be folded back into the handle, how would this be viewed?  :think:

Neil
Because of this closing the legality of the Micra & PST still worries me. It's a bit of a scaremonger frenzy here at the mo  >:(

As picky as some coppers might be, I can't see anyone in their right mind causing you hassel because of a Micra.

Although I want this thread to remain a listing of stuff that is regarded as being 100% legal, I think people do need to keep a little perspective on the whole legality issue.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: phil.gas on January 02, 2009, 09:52:45 PM
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 02, 2009, 10:04:28 PM
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098


Thanks for posting the link , great find and some interesting comments on there . I remember this incident as it happened some 20 miles from me . The guy was a bit stupid for carrying a locking folder into a court of law but he should have been given a b*llocking and sent on his way  ::)   Mountain out of a mole hill and absolutely no need for it .

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 02, 2009, 10:07:09 PM
Latshaw Pocketwrench II http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 02, 2009, 10:09:49 PM
Latshaw Pocketwrench II http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html


I could do with one of them , are they cheap ?

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 02, 2009, 10:12:11 PM
Latshaw Pocketwrench II http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html


I could do with one of them , are they cheap ?

Dunc

I believe price isn't the problem, it's the availability over here in the UK.

I was lucky enough to get mine from Mikko, but Neil had to get one sent over from a member in the US as he couldn't find any here.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on January 02, 2009, 10:13:32 PM
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098


Good find Phil!

I'm not sure it's that conclusive (although I'm still reading through it).

I liked this one:

Quote
It has been held that going to a party where you may have to open bottles of beer is a good reason for possession of a locking bladed multi tool which also had a bottle opener attachment.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 02, 2009, 10:14:10 PM
Case make some nice slip jointed folders http://www.wrcase.com/knives/

They must have no locks and have a blade length under 3" to be legal EDC.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on January 02, 2009, 10:17:01 PM
Case make some nice slip jointed folders http://www.wrcase.com/knives/

They must have no locks and have a blade length under 3" to be legal EDC.

...Unless you have a reason to carry it. According to that discussion that Phil found, going to a party to open beer is a good reason! Sorted.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 02, 2009, 10:22:24 PM
Case make some nice slip jointed folders http://www.wrcase.com/knives/

They must have no locks and have a blade length under 3" to be legal EDC.

...Unless you have a reason to carry it. According to that discussion that Phil found, going to a party to open beer is a good reason! Sorted.


We wish  ::)


Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on January 02, 2009, 10:26:07 PM
just found this link on google after doing a search on multitools.it looks like it is a police forum.
it clears up a couple of points i think
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=26098


Excellent link  :tu:  Very interesting.  As I suspected it seems that the current climate has created a situation where a lot of the discretion has been taken away from the bobbies on the job :( 

Earlier I said who'd be a lawyer, I'll add to that who'd be a Police Officer  :ahhh 

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 02, 2009, 11:34:43 PM
I  want to be arrested by this guy http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=26098&view=findpost&p=279710 Hows that for a bit of common sence :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on January 03, 2009, 01:14:47 AM
Personally I don't want to be arrested by any of them ... but I see your point :P

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 01:17:26 AM
Personally I don't want to be arrested by any of them ... but I see your point :P

Neil
Well I was up near Victoria a few weeks back, and there was one WPC I wouldn'd have minded being arrested by ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 03, 2009, 10:40:53 AM
A guy from where I work had a visit by the police and taken down the station  :police: ( I believe his neighbour accused him assult ) .A very pretty WPC came and took him away and in the car she asked him if he had anything on him he shouldn't have . He had a small lock knife .She told him it was illegal to carry and best let her look after it until he came out of the station .

Sounds fair to me .

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 11:44:30 AM
A guy from where I work had a visit by the police and taken down the station  :police: ( I believe his neighbour accused him assult ) .A very pretty WPC came and took him away and in the car she asked him if he had anything on him he shouldn't have . He had a small lock knife .She told him it was illegal to carry and best let her look after it until he came out of the station .

Sounds fair to me .

Dunc
Fair play to the lass :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 03, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
I can't believe what I have just read  :o   I suggest all UK members read this

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71404

Theres alot of wound up Brits  :twak:

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 10:38:59 PM
I can't believe what I have just read  :o   I suggest all UK members read this

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71404

Theres alot of wound up Brits  :twak:

Dunc
That is truly stupid >:(, you cannot flick a blade out on a UKPK, I know coz I've tried >:(

I can't say I'm exactly shocked though, you take a chance ordering anything knifey from the US atm, especially the bigger retailers ::)

I'm sure Sak's and MT's are ok though :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on January 03, 2009, 11:07:19 PM
Looks like an over-eager HMCE officer jumping to conclusions to me. I reckon he'll get his knife back, but I suppose time will tell!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 11:10:36 PM
Yeah he'll probably get it back, but it does reinforce my opinion on getting knifey stuff from these shores though :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 03, 2009, 11:28:42 PM
It's funny this should come up as I was actually going to start a thread on this.

It seems that more and more knives are being seized ATM, so much so that I suggest that for the time being anyone who is in the UK should buy anything even remotely "tactical" from UK or European stores.  This is a real shame as I would always recommend the banner advertisers, but so much stuff is being lost at customs that I just don't think it is worth the risk.

If you do decide to chance it, try to avoid any knives where the blade can be flung out by not touching the blade and with force alone.  These seem to be seized the most as customs regard them as being gravity knives.  Sadly, this means nearly all Spyderco knives and similar.  :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 11:30:08 PM
And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 03, 2009, 11:32:24 PM
And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\

There still is a slight pay advantage with buying from the US, but I find the main bonus is the selection of blades they have over there.  I can think of a couple of knives I'd be interested in getting that aren't available over here, but simply won't risk customs taking it (even though they are perfectly legal  ::) ).
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 03, 2009, 11:36:40 PM
And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\

There still is a slight pay advantage with buying from the US, but I find the main bonus is the selection of blades they have over there.  I can think of a couple of knives I'd be interested in getting that aren't available over here, but simply won't risk customs taking it (even though they are perfectly legal  ::) ).
Yeah there is still the choice, but as you pointed out, there's quite a risk you won't actully get it :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 03, 2009, 11:38:39 PM
And with the exchange rate being what it is, there's not to much to be gained anyway now :-\

There still is a slight pay advantage with buying from the US, but I find the main bonus is the selection of blades they have over there.  I can think of a couple of knives I'd be interested in getting that aren't available over here, but simply won't risk customs taking it (even though they are perfectly legal  ::) ).
Yeah there is still the choice, but as you pointed out, there's quite a risk you won't actully get it :-\

A risk sadly I don't think is worth taking.  :(

I think traders that import stuff will do well ATM and will be the best bet for most folders.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on January 04, 2009, 12:32:07 AM
Looks like an over-eager HMCE officer jumping to conclusions to me. I reckon he'll get his knife back, but I suppose time will tell!

I wish this were true but I doubt it.  Unless he is prepaired to pay for legal council with the good chance he will incurr the costs it's never going to go near the courts.  Without that then he is never going to see his knife again.  He is now in the position that he has to prove that the knife is legal (which it is IMO) rather than the other way around.

The fact that Customs are wrong doesn't come into it, he has to be willing to fight it in court.   It shouldn't be that way but, at the moment, it is.   :rant:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on January 04, 2009, 12:34:22 AM
You might be right, let's see!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 04, 2009, 12:46:13 AM
Looks like an over-eager HMCE officer jumping to conclusions to me. I reckon he'll get his knife back, but I suppose time will tell!

I wish this were true but I doubt it.  Unless he is prepaired to pay for legal council with the good chance he will incurr the costs it's never going to go near the courts.  Without that then he is never going to see his knife again.  He is now in the position that he has to prove that the knife is legal (which it is IMO) rather than the other way around.

The fact that Customs are wrong doesn't come into it, he has to be willing to fight it in court.   It shouldn't be that way but, at the moment, it is.   :rant:

That is exactly the problem people are having.  People are buying things from the US that are even legally sold here in the UK and are losing them due to technicalities.  They are doing nothing wrong but to prove that takes time and a lot of wedge so who is going to go to all that trouble for a folding knife?  I hope he does though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 06, 2009, 12:40:45 AM
I have removed the Lumabiner as I believe it has a liner lock.

If anyone knows any different let me know and I will put it back.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 06, 2009, 12:54:35 AM
Maserin Marinera http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 21, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
Ok the UK law regarding the carrying of blades is in the first post :)

Anyone who want's to expand upon it, please feel free :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on January 21, 2009, 07:49:27 PM
How about the new Spyderco Bug? 

Seems to be a slippie  ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 21, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Ok the UK law regarding the carrying of blades is in the first post :)

Anyone who want's to expand upon it, please feel free :)

Looks good!  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 21, 2009, 07:51:11 PM
How about the new Spyderco Bug? 

Seems to be a slippie  ;)
Added, and I'll add a link as soon as I can find one :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 21, 2009, 07:51:34 PM
Ok the UK law regarding the carrying of blades is in the first post :)

Anyone who want's to expand upon it, please feel free :)

Looks good!  :tu:
Thank's mate :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on January 21, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
Looks like the new guy who just started at your custom likes knives more than you do.  :twak:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2009, 02:33:44 AM
Ok if like me your tired of trawling the internet for interesting, but UK street legal edc how about we make a list of them here for easy reference for us poor oppressed Brits :)

Add your sugestions, and either Ben or myself will edit them into this thread to make life easier all round :)

So it's up to you fella's to make this idea work, so get listing :)

Folding knives

Spyderco Bug
Spyderco UKPK - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=243
Spyderco Pride - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=62
Spyderco T-Mag - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=244
CRKT Edgie - http://www.crkt.com/edgie.html
Boker Buddy - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=hhwpvl1009267&strParents=&CAT_ID=116&P_ID=3578
Falkniven U1 - http://fallkniven.com/u1/us-u1.htm
Douk-Douk (small) - https://edcdepot.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=43&products_id=160
Moki Thuja UK - http://www.heinnie.com/hy3ie71011594/Knives/Moki/Moki-Thuja-UK/p-92-175-1541/
Case knives (sub 3" bladed, non-locking models) - http://www.wrcase.com/knives/
Maserin Marinera - http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=849wem1030116&strParents=&CAT_ID=92&P_ID=2922&strPageHistory=search&numSearchStartRecord=49


Swiss Army Knives - All those with a blade below 3" and where the blade does not lock.  Below are a good selection.

Victorinox Soldier (make sure it's the 2 handed ALOX version) - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=234&lang=E
Victorinox Swisschamp - http://www.victorinox.ch/index.cfm?site=victorinox.ch&page=167&lang=E

Multitools

Leatherman Juice series - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/pocket-tools/default.aspx
Leatherman Knifeless Fuse - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx
Leatherman Squirt series - http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/keychain-tools/default.aspx
Gerber Shortcut - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/89
Gerber Clutch - http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/97
Gerber Solstice - http://www.multitool.org/gerber/keychain-tools/gerber-solstice.html
Atwood tools (all bladeless models) - http://www.atwoodknives.com/
Swiss-Tech tools - http://www.swisstechtools.com/
Sebertech tools - http://www.sebertech.co.uk/acatalog/index.html
CRKT Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/guppie.html
CRKT Li'l Guppie - http://www.crkt.com/lilguppie.html
CRKT Get-a-way driver - http://www.crkt.com/gawdriver.html
Byrd Firebyrd - http://spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=207
Beretta Shotgun tool - http://www.heinnie.com/qp9l8i1009924/Pocket-Tools/Beretta/Berretta-Shotgun-Tool/p-94-400-2464/
Gatco/Timberline Frog Tool - http://www.multitool.org/miscellaneous-tools/medium-tools/gatco/timberline-frog-tool.html
Latshaw Pocketwrench II - http://thequinlans.org/knives/bob/tool/pocketwrench_ii.html

The UK carry laws...

CJA 1988 – Section 139: Offence of having article with blade or point in
public place
(1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this
section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence.
(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.
(4) It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove
that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public
place.
(5) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a
person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with
him —
a. for use at work;
b. for religious reasons; or
c. as part of any national costume.
(6) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable -
a. on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months,
or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both;
b. on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two
years, or a fine, or both.
(Continues overleaf)
(7) In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public
have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise.
(8 ) This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force.
The text quoted on this card is from the Criminal Justice Act 1988
and can be checked for veracity (or for any changes to the law) online at:
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Prim
ary&PageNumber=1&Year=1988&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId
=2116646&ActiveTextDocId=2116820&filesize=4465
Please type the above URL into your web browser as one line of text, there are no spaces.


Handy link :) http://www.davidappleton.co.uk/bbforum/cja1988_s139_card.pdf

Gentlemen, am I missing something?  I see nothing in this statute regarding blade locks.  It says that only a folding pocket knife is permissible, but it says nothing about locking or slip jointed blades.

(2) Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or
is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife.
(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches.


This doesn't mean that an overzealous officer may not arrest you, but it certainly is enough for the charges to be thrown out.  Unless this is stipulated somewhere else that isn't listed here?  Otherwise, it seems that the fear of locking blades is akin to people laying blades across their hands here and saying something is illegal because it's more than three fingers wide.

The nice thing about the law, and why I suggested actually posting the actual letters of the law, is that if it isn't written and defined, it doesn't exist.

Def
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 25, 2009, 09:03:59 AM
I just posted the law that pertains to what you can actually legally carry, as that's the purpose of this thread :). If someone want's to expand upon it (ie Nick or Ricky) then I'll be happy to add it :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on January 25, 2009, 10:35:24 AM
Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.

You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.

However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview  :cry:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 25, 2009, 11:44:13 AM
Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.

You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.

However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview  :cry:
Thanks fella :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on January 25, 2009, 03:22:08 PM
Curtesy of Neil, a more easily followed law FAQ has been added to the first post :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on January 25, 2009, 03:23:34 PM
Nice one.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2009, 04:55:16 PM
Courtesy of the Police National Legal Database actually :)

  Here's the link in case anything gets changed.   https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q337.htm

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2009, 06:21:58 PM
Yeah...a slipjoint is classed as a folding knife ie there is no mechanical lock in place.

You can carry a locking knife as long as you have reasonable excuse eg a carpenter going to work or a bushcrafter in the middle of deep woodland.

However, depending on the Officers discretion you may still need to argue your "reasonableness" during a tape recorded interview  :cry:

Ok, but where is a locking blade defined at in the books?  If it's not actually in the books, then it isn't the law, it's an interpretation, which is open to discussion in court.  Which means that unless someone is doing something they shouldn't, then they likely can't be convicted.

Not that I am suggesting anyone goes out and purposely gets themselves arrested mind you.  It just seems that so far there hasn't been any real fact presented- just interpretations of the law, and possibly the presentation of urban legends as fact.

If I had gotten in trouble for having a knife, my entire defense would be based on the fact that any knife that folds is a "folding knife" regardless of whether it locks or not.  And, unless the law stipulates that locking blades are indeed considered the same as fixed blades, I'm confident I would walk away, provided I wasn't using it for some unlawful purpose.

Def
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on January 25, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
It's a piece of Case law set in court rather than by Government.  The case was called Harris v DPP (I did have to look that up). An over-enthusiastic CPS prosecutor convinced a judge that any locking blade was effectively a fixed blade, hence illegal to carry.  It technically could be overturned by a higher court but I can't see that ever happening.  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on January 25, 2009, 09:45:44 PM
It's a piece of Case law set in court rather than by Government.  The case was called Harris v DPP (I did have to look that up). An over-enthusiastic CPS prosecutor convinced a judge that any locking blade was effectively a fixed blade, hence illegal to carry.  It technically could be overturned by a higher court but I can't see that ever happening.  ::)

Last I heard it had done the run up the court ladder and been upheld.  I can see why Def would wonder what the fuss is with locks after reading the quoted common law at the start of the thread.  Law is always a messy business and I'm wondering if it might be an idea to just have relevant links on the first post rather than quoting chunks of law that makes my head hurt  :bnghd:    Then again I'm easily confused :D

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 25, 2009, 10:41:30 PM
Thanks for clearing that up.  Another case of a higher priced lawyer setting precedent which is considered law.

Def
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 02, 2009, 02:38:13 PM
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list  :tu:

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 02, 2009, 03:03:17 PM
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list  :tu:

Neil
On it :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 02, 2009, 04:42:15 PM
Had forgotten about that one.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Whoey on February 04, 2009, 12:35:57 PM
Spirits are not allowed because of the lock I suppose?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on February 04, 2009, 12:38:15 PM
Spirits are not allowed because of the lock I suppose?

Nope :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 12:49:16 PM
You can add the Super Bear Jaws to the list  :tu:

Neil
On it :tu:

Update: According to Dennis there are actually two versions of both the Bear Jaws and the Super Bear Jaws, locking and not.  So we can add both versions just so long as its the none locking ones.

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 04, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Benneths turn I think :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Whoey on February 04, 2009, 02:23:18 PM
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 04, 2009, 06:49:13 PM
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P
I can list another 1001 if you ever get tempted :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on February 04, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P

Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .

Dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 07:39:33 PM
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 04, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!  :tu:

I believe Dunc, Neil and Flash all have them.  They are real nice.  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on February 04, 2009, 07:42:00 PM
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!  :tu:

Yes I do , and I use it alot . Its a very handy and useful knife  :)

dunc
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
Anyone have a UKPK? They look pretty cool!  :tu:

Yes I do , and I use it alot . Its a very handy and useful knife  :)

dunc

Now I want one!  :drool: :gimme: :drool:  I already have a T-Mag, but that magnet sticks to everything!  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on February 04, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
The UKPK is for me the best dedicated UK Legal knife.  Its razor sharp, one handed opening and if you use the wire pocket clip virtually invisible to most people.

A quality piece of kit.

For the bargain basement type I would highly recommend the CKRT Edgie...again quite sharp, one handed opening and the pocket clip is OK (ish).

 :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gadget Guy on February 04, 2009, 08:01:05 PM
Bobbomatic did a great review of the UKPK:  :tu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ2Jr9RtFZw
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
Yep, the UKPK is a great knife, it took much abuse in the couple of years it was my edc.  These days I find I get far too adverse a reaction when I use it out and about so it only occasionally comes out to play :(

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 04, 2009, 08:21:58 PM
I still think the Spyderco Pride is the most Sheeple friendly OH folder available.  :)  Even my Nan wasn't scared of it.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
I still think the Spyderco Pride is the most Sheeple friendly OH folder available.  :)  Even my Nan wasn't scared of it.  :D

Did you sell your pride?

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 04, 2009, 08:28:50 PM
Nope, still have it. 

I am working on polishing the scales to get rid of that whitish finish.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 08:37:43 PM
That sounds tricky.   :pok: I'd just sell it to raise cash for an Urban.

I do just happen to know someone interested in getting one (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/shades.gif)

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 04, 2009, 08:40:12 PM
That sounds tricky.   :pok: I'd just sell it to raise cash for an Urban.

I do just happen to know someone interested in getting one (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/shades.gif)

Neil

I have removed all the finish, I just need to polish it up now. So far so good.  :tu:

Does that person also realise that this was a gift to me from Mike and that I don't part with gifts?  :D

I have seen them on ebay  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 08:41:55 PM
Said individual has been updated of the full facts :D

A hunting he shall go  :viking:

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 04, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
If I remember correctly, I have seen the US flagged ones on there for around £30 + postage.  I have never seen any with the Union flag/ Jack on there for sale nor the one with the Spydie bug which is the one I want.  Mine doesn't have a badge on there at all.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 04, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
Don't think I've seen one on the UK site.  I'm not enthralled at the prospect of UK customs seizing it on import :(   It seems like anything with a Spydie hole is fair game at the moment  >:(

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on February 04, 2009, 09:06:20 PM
If I remember correctly, I have seen the US flagged ones on there for around £30 + postage.  I have never seen any with the Union flag/ Jack on there for sale nor the one with the Spydie bug which is the one I want.  Mine doesn't have a badge on there at all.

Union Flag ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 04, 2009, 09:58:01 PM
Don't think I've seen one on the UK site.  I'm not enthralled at the prospect of UK customs seizing it on import :(   It seems like anything with a Spydie hole is fair game at the moment  >:(

Neil
Trust me you can NEVER acuse a Pride as being a gravity knife :), smooth, they are not :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 05, 2009, 12:34:33 AM
Don't think I've seen one on the UK site.  I'm not enthralled at the prospect of UK customs seizing it on import :(   It seems like anything with a Spydie hole is fair game at the moment  >:(

Neil
Trust me you can NEVER acuse a Pride as being a gravity knife :), smooth, they are not :-\

Plus the fact they don't lock absolutely prevents it from being described as a gravity knife.  Someone over on BB had his UKPK stopped and then given to him after he pointed out that fact.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 05, 2009, 12:36:28 AM
Thanks, I'll widen the search  :cheers:

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Whoey on February 05, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P

Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .

Dunc

Well, when I was in London UK working as an IT manager in an office I used to carry a really crappy multitool that I bought (at Tescos)... Had I known about spirit or swisstool then, I probably would have wanted to carry one daily... it was necessary for cutting cables etc... I guess I could have looked for another tool...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 05, 2009, 10:43:46 AM
Well that really sucks... another reason not to move back there :P

Its not illegal to own one , just illegal to carry one without good reason .

Dunc

Well, when I was in London UK working as an IT manager in an office I used to carry a really crappy multitool that I bought (at Tescos)... Had I known about spirit or swisstool then, I probably would have wanted to carry one daily... it was necessary for cutting cables etc... I guess I could have looked for another tool...

Reason of work is perfectly acceptable.  It's just whether you could have justified it outside of the workplace is all.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Whoey on February 05, 2009, 01:12:14 PM
so in other words it would be fine to carry it at work, just not to and from work... which either means taking it out of the case every day before leaving, and putting it back when arriving (probably not a good idea as you would undoubtedly forget it was there or not some days) or... removing/adding the case&tool from my belt every day (rather annoying considering it would be towards the back...)

My current one doesnt even have a pointy blade... just a locking one... oh well... not like it matters now anyways... nice to see the new tools have a clip-on beltclip tho!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on February 05, 2009, 01:14:05 PM
so in other words it would be fine to carry it at work, just not to and from work... which either means taking it out of the case every day before leaving, and putting it back when arriving (probably not a good idea as you would undoubtedly forget it was there or not some days) or... removing/adding the case&tool from my belt every day (rather annoying considering it would be towards the back...)

My current one doesnt even have a pointy blade... just a locking one... oh well... not like it matters now anyways... nice to see the new tools have a clip-on beltclip tho!

If you are going to and from work you would be fine, but if you went from work to go shopping and then to the pub you probably wouldn't have a good reason to be carrying it. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 05, 2009, 01:14:10 PM
so in other words it would be fine to carry it at work, just not to and from work... which either means taking it out of the case every day before leaving, and putting it back when arriving (probably not a good idea as you would undoubtedly forget it was there or not some days) or... removing/adding the case&tool from my belt every day (rather annoying considering it would be towards the back...)

My current one doesnt even have a pointy blade... just a locking one... oh well... not like it matters now anyways... nice to see the new tools have a clip-on beltclip tho!

To and from work is also classed as fine. They do like to check though.

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Whoey on February 06, 2009, 01:51:49 AM
shopping and pub usually occured on my way home from work as the shopping center was between the tube station and my flat... but yes... it's a bit annoying either way...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: american lockpicker on February 10, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
Also don't carry these:

    *  flick knives
    * gravity knives
    * knuckle-dusters
    * sword-sticks
    * samurai swords
    * hand-claws
    * foot-claws
    * belt-buckle knives
    * push daggers
    * butterfly knives
    * blow-pipes or guns
    * kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
    * shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
    * telescopic truncheons (automatically extending)
    * kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)
    * disguised knives (for example, lipstick knives)
    * stealth knives
    * straight, side-handled or friction-lock truncheons

Above + public place = Prison :pok: :police:

Would this be illegal? http://www.theswissstore.com/servlet/Detail?no=1     Would it be considered a concealed knife?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 10, 2009, 09:42:49 AM
 :think:  I would say not.  It isn't trying to hide what it is, so I think it should be OK.  That may be wishful thinking though, because I really like the look of it.  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 10, 2009, 11:00:34 AM
I'd say its fine as well.  They are a total pain in rear end to use and not worth touching in my opinion though.

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on February 10, 2009, 11:07:24 AM
Just got my Spyderco catalog today...should add the Spyderco Urban to the list :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 10, 2009, 12:44:11 PM
Just got my Spyderco catalog today...should add the Spyderco Urban to the list :tu:

I'll add them now.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on February 15, 2009, 11:23:42 PM
I just stumbled across this interesting thread on UK Police forum whilst looking for something else:

http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=22640

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 16, 2009, 08:14:53 AM
Good find mate :tu:

I'm lucky in that I can use my ST for both work and play if I've got my pushbike with me :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on February 18, 2009, 11:09:14 PM
Ver interesting link. Crying shame that an honest copper is put in a difficult position like that :( >:(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on February 19, 2009, 02:04:10 AM
It confirms what we all were thinking doesn't it?

Eventually, this will blow over, and it was good to hear some politicians doing interviews this week suggesting that the government was starting to infringe upon civil liberties with many of these new laws. Senior politicians from the main parties too.

Fingers crossed that some degree of common sense starts to creep back into proceedings soon. I think it will, but whether it will be before new laws have been passed and hard to reverse, I worry about :).

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 19, 2009, 08:15:05 AM
Very true :)

I also hope it blows over, but with the speed that new laws can be passed these day's, you've got to wonder :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 19, 2009, 05:27:30 PM
Perhaps we should start a crime wave so the press can focus on something else?  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 19, 2009, 06:54:37 PM
Perhaps we should start a crime wave so the press can focus on something else?  :D
I'm up for some mayhem :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 19, 2009, 06:58:54 PM
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on.  Large spoons?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 19, 2009, 07:00:21 PM
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on.  Large spoons?
I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 19, 2009, 07:01:59 PM
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on.  Large spoons?
I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D

I like it!  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 19, 2009, 07:03:19 PM
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 19, 2009, 07:20:30 PM
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D

Has to be the Daily Mail surely.  They have to be the biggest sensationalists out there.  >:(


To any Mail readers out there I apologise for any offence caused, but it is my opinion.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on February 20, 2009, 01:03:09 AM
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D

Has to be the Daily Mail surely.  They have to be the biggest sensationalists out there.  >:(


To any Mail readers out there I apologise for any offence caused, but it is my opinion.  :D
And the right one at that :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on February 20, 2009, 01:05:54 AM
Ok so which rag have we got the biggest grievence against then :D

Has to be the Daily Mail surely.  They have to be the biggest sensationalists out there.  >:(


To any Mail readers out there I apologise for any offence caused, but it is my opinion.  :D

It's not an opinion, it's a bloody fact!

I rarely read a newspaper, but when I do it tends to be the Mail. I have no idea why, because I have to read everything with a "reality filter". I can actually come up with really good reasons not to read any of the tabloids actually, so maybe the Mail's the best of a bad bunch on balance. I'm not sure.

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: american lockpicker on February 20, 2009, 02:09:16 AM
We'd need to use something which the press could start focussing on.  Large spoons?
I'm thinking we'll go with irony :think:, so how about rolled up newspapers >:D

ROTFL
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 20, 2009, 02:57:59 PM
I stopped reading the daily opinion papers years ago.  Now all I see is the headlines whilst I wait in the queue at the post office.  They're enough to wind me up  >:(

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: american lockpicker on March 04, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
Are the British Army Knives legal for carry. Also what about the locking marlin spike one?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 04, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
Non locking ones yes :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: sardauker on March 30, 2009, 02:39:37 PM
I suppose that I won't be able to carry my swisstool when I'll come in London in two months as a tourist, then -even when other than in travel does anyone need to have tools at hand?-
At least there'll be my cybertool :/
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on March 30, 2009, 02:51:19 PM
I suppose that I won't be able to carry my swisstool when I'll come in London in two months as a tourist, then -even when other than in travel does anyone need to have tools at hand?-
At least there'll be my cybertool :/

But it is a good reason to get a PST/Kick/Knifeless Fuse  :tu:.  You can of course bring your Swiss Tool with you but just not carry it on the street.  Leave it in your room or something.  If you were going somewhere quieter then I'd say you would get away with it, but not in London.  It is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the big tourist attractions will have a "No Knife" policy anyway.  Last time I was there I just didn't bother when going to museums etc as it became such a PITA.  It felt very odd I can tell you.  I hope you enjoy the trip.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 30, 2009, 06:24:02 PM
Sadly Gareth has the truth of it :-\

But you should be fine with the Cybertool :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: sardauker on March 30, 2009, 08:55:49 PM
I suppose that I won't be able to carry my swisstool when I'll come in London in two months as a tourist, then -even when other than in travel does anyone need to have tools at hand?-
At least there'll be my cybertool :/

But it is a good reason to get a PST/Kick/Knifeless Fuse  :tu:.  You can of course bring your Swiss Tool with you but just not carry it on the street.  Leave it in your room or something.  If you were going somewhere quieter then I'd say you would get away with it, but not in London.  It is worth keeping in mind that a lot of the big tourist attractions will have a "No Knife" policy anyway.  Last time I was there I just didn't bother when going to museums etc as it became such a PITA.  It felt very odd I can tell you.  I hope you enjoy the trip.


Sadly, I feared it. My ST won't travel with me to London, then. There's no point in having a tool made to stay on your belt, and leave it in a suitcase. In an hotel room I think I can borrow or buy any kind of tool, if I really need to fix something in my luggage. -yep, I like to be prepared-

Too much paranoia around the world (even that the above phrase doesn't help me :D)

Too many years ago, i brought my swisstool in the Pentagon... now, I think I'll be shot on sight :/
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 25, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OK

I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on April 25, 2009, 06:33:34 PM
I've always fancied a T-mag (plain edge) but they're a bit pricey  :-\

Neil
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 25, 2009, 07:08:51 PM
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OK

I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
I think the DK is on the list :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 25, 2009, 08:27:43 PM
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OK

I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
I think the DK is on the list :think:

Can't see it, but then I am slykdexic and can't be trusted with these matters  :-X
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 25, 2009, 10:43:09 PM
Can we add the Spyderco DK to the list? Looks like it's OK

I think I'm potentially after a T-mag... does anyone know if they come in 1\2 serrated blades and if they're any good?
I think the DK is on the list :think:

Can't see it, but then I am slykdexic and can't be trusted with these matters  :-X
Added :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 25, 2009, 11:43:58 PM
Now, why aren't there more options that don't cost stupid money eh?

I want something a bit spydie or byrdie, not useless to lefties and legal.... that too much to ask?! I quite like the idea of half serrated too as it seems more useful to me if I'm carrying a single blade.

Anyone?!  ???
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 26, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
Now, why aren't there more options that don't cost stupid money eh?

I want something a bit spydie or byrdie, not useless to lefties and legal.... that too much to ask?! I quite like the idea of half serrated too as it seems more useful to me if I'm carrying a single blade.

Anyone?!  ???
It is a right royal pain in the buttocks isn't it >:(

Myself and Ben were complaining about it at some length on the way to the meet ::)

There is this... http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=g3e92l1453701&strParents=&CAT_ID=121&P_ID=3979 and I'm quite tempted by it, especially at that price, but I'm not sure how comfy it'll be with that second blade :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 26, 2009, 02:54:13 PM
Yeah, I'm really tempted by it too but was wondering if the blades could be moved over to make it left handed. It's unlikely as the part of the bolster which places the blade to the side is probably welded/pinned on.

I still might get one though as they look useful  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 26, 2009, 05:34:25 PM
Well the steel's not too bad on them, but like you said, there probably difficult to mod to a southpaw friendly design :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on April 29, 2009, 12:34:26 AM
Now, why aren't there more options that don't cost stupid money eh?

I want something a bit spydie or byrdie, not useless to lefties and legal.... that too much to ask?! I quite like the idea of half serrated too as it seems more useful to me if I'm carrying a single blade.

Anyone?!  ???
It is a right royal pain in the buttocks isn't it >:(

Myself and Ben were complaining about it at some length on the way to the meet ::)

There is this... http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=g3e92l1453701&strParents=&CAT_ID=121&P_ID=3979 and I'm quite tempted by it, especially at that price, but I'm not sure how comfy it'll be with that second blade :-\

That looks like a good price. Just seen the price of the Urban - a bit of a shock as I was under the impression that it was going to be cheaper than the UKPK.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on April 29, 2009, 12:44:25 AM
The Urban is disgustingly priced if you ask me.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 29, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
It is an absolute rip off isn't it >:(

I had hoped it would be more competitively priced, as there's nothing in the specs to command such a high price really :-\

Shame as really want one ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 30, 2009, 12:05:50 AM
Same with the UKPK - overpriced even though people who have one really like it. We're being taxed for having a knee-jerk nanny state government  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on April 30, 2009, 04:06:03 AM

There is this... http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=g3e92l1453701&strParents=&CAT_ID=121&P_ID=3979 and I'm quite tempted by it, especially at that price, but I'm not sure how comfy it'll be with that second blade :-\

Very impressive.

I really like the basic concept - having a serrated blade to back up the mainblade is just a great idea for an EDC knife.

Serrated blade is great for emergency cutting:  rope, nylon straps, fabric, etc.  Even if it's dull, it'll cut well enough to get the job done.

The shape of the two blades look excellent too.

Anyone know the weight of this little guy?

.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on April 30, 2009, 07:34:11 AM
Not sure how much it weights I'm afraid :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on May 01, 2009, 01:32:12 AM
Not sure how much it weights I'm afraid :-\

According to the Spyderco website it weighs 3.4 oz.

Not too heavy for EDC - for me personally, anyway.

The reason that I don't get one of these is that I'm doubtful about the ergonomics.

I'd want to handle one before buying just to be sure it comfortably fits my hand.

Micky d - you should buy one of these and then let all of us know how its ergos worked out for you.  ;>

.
 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on May 01, 2009, 12:01:00 PM
I'm up for that  :pok:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 01, 2009, 10:26:57 PM
I'm up for that  :pok:  :D
Well it won't be this month :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on May 01, 2009, 10:46:59 PM
I'm up for that  :pok:  :D
Well it won't be this month :-\

Why not?  You know you need (want) one.

This looks like it could be one of the best UK legal EDC knives ever.

In fact, I might be persuaded to EDC one myself here in the US.  Locks are overated.

.


Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on May 02, 2009, 01:02:18 AM
I'm not convinced about the ergonomics either - would like to have a play with one. Until then, I shall be modding my own SAKs and making the knives I want!

Pah  :sak:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on May 28, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Here's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 28, 2009, 06:24:48 PM
Here's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149
Shame it's bloody awful :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on May 28, 2009, 06:27:02 PM
Here's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149
Shame it's bloody awful :D
Yep, that's not a pretty sight...  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on May 28, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
I can see it being handy though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on May 28, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
Looks pretty awkward to use  ???  and not cheap.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Flash on May 28, 2009, 09:22:53 PM
I have the version with a straight edge and a saw blade.

I can review it in 3 words...




"They rust quick"  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jock1 on June 03, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
Here's another legal EDC knife http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=8Ypvmn1586947&strParents=&CAT_ID=158&P_ID=4149
Shame it's bloody awful :D
Do we have a throwing up smiley.Thats the ugliest thing I have seen in ages and that includes the ugly beggar I shaved this morning
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 03, 2009, 11:58:17 AM
Is it just me that doesn't think it looks that bad?  It is a blade on a carabiner and looks as it should for that kind of design IMO.  If I wanted something to hook on a bag I'd consider it.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 03, 2009, 12:49:56 PM
Is it just me that doesn't think it looks that bad?  It is a blade on a carabiner and looks as it should for that kind of design IMO.  If I wanted something to hook on a bag I'd consider it.

Yes, its just you :D

Don't you think it looks awkward to use?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 03, 2009, 12:52:39 PM
Yeah, but it's on the body of a carabiner so it's hardly going to handle like a Sebenza is it.

I just think that for it's application it looks as it should.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Roadie on June 03, 2009, 02:52:38 PM
Yeah, but it's on the body of a carabiner so it's hardly going to handle like a Sebenza is it.

I just think that for it's application it looks as it should.

+1 :tu: :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 03, 2009, 03:31:05 PM
Is it just me that doesn't think it looks that bad?  It is a blade on a carabiner and looks as it should for that kind of design IMO.  If I wanted something to hook on a bag I'd consider it.

Yes, its just you :D

Don't you think it looks awkward to use?

+1 Sorry Ben but that looks horrible to use to me.  I just don't quite see the point, if it is for a sporting activity (climbing canoeing etc) then you have a good reason to carry a proper knife in any way you like.  If it's for EDC then I wouldn't want it clipped to the outside of a bag anyway.  Each to their own though.  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 03, 2009, 11:59:35 PM
But if you need, for whatever reason, a carabiner with a knife, then it is just that. Can't say it appeals to me and it does look a bit cacky to use, but that's just a limitation in a concept that some odd fellow may need.

But anyway, any more legal EDC's around?  Haven't added many recently.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
...
But anyway, any more legal EDC's around?  Haven't added many recently.

Have we added this one yet?

(http://www.sortprice.com/images/rimg/large_69195)

What!?  >:( ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 04, 2009, 12:07:13 AM
I want one of those for Eddie but Sue said no.  ::)

I suppose I could get one for myself and let him play with it though.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 12:08:27 AM
I want one of those for Eddie but Sue said no.  ::)

I suppose I could get one for myself and let him play with it though.  :D

What if Eddie just got one and you could say hand on heart that you had nothing to do with it ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 04, 2009, 12:12:13 AM
In this house you have to have 2 of everything to prevent WW3, so thank you for your offer (if that was an offer?  :D ) but I will have to pick up 2 at some point when Sue isn't looking.  >:D

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: peterxyz on June 04, 2009, 12:16:11 AM
surely that's what godparents, uncles, etc are for - deniability!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on June 04, 2009, 12:16:51 AM
...
But anyway, any more legal EDC's around?  Haven't added many recently.

Have we added this one yet?

(http://www.sortprice.com/images/rimg/large_69195)

What!?  >:( ;)

Is there a nail nick on that spoon? Or is it a :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh GRAVITY SPOON :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh ? :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on June 04, 2009, 12:19:04 AM
Definitely no gravity spoons allowed, especially for toddlers on a destruct mission  :o
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 12:23:20 AM
In this house you have to have 2 of everything to prevent WW3, so thank you for your offer (if that was an offer?  :D ) but I will have to pick up 2 at some point when Sue isn't looking.  >:D

Fully understood :D  I'll keep my eyes peeled for you.


Is there a nail nick on that spoon? Or is it a :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh GRAVITY SPOON :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh ? :D

I'll test it in the morning and report back  :salute: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 04, 2009, 12:25:02 AM
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil.  :o  You don't want to be seen.  :mn:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 12:28:24 AM
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil.  :o  You don't want to be seen.  :mn:

True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on June 04, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil.  :o  You don't want to be seen.  :mn:

True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)

Sooooooooooooooooo many comments, so little time.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 04, 2009, 12:34:47 AM
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil.  :o  You don't want to be seen.  :mn:

True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)

Sooooooooooooooooo many comments, so little time.  :D

Best leave those kind to Spork ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 04, 2009, 07:06:09 AM
Make sure the curtains are drawn Neil.  :o  You don't want to be seen.  :mn:

True but that has nothing to do with waving a spoon about (http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/smileys/paranoid.gif)

Sooooooooooooooooo many comments, so little time.  :D

Best leave those kind to Spork ;)
He is the true master of the off putting mental image :salute: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on June 08, 2009, 05:35:40 AM
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?

I want a legal EDC knife....  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 08, 2009, 05:56:18 AM
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?

I want a legal EDC knife....  :pok:
Heinnie's have got Opinel No 6 in :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on June 08, 2009, 07:24:42 AM
Nah, doesn't do it for me..... I think what I want is unobtainium currently (including sleep eh?!)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Magic Bus on June 08, 2009, 08:24:53 AM
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?

I want a legal EDC knife....  :pok:

Any one of many SAK's ?  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2009, 10:11:44 AM
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?

I want a legal EDC knife....  :pok:

Any one of many SAK's ?  :)

And it's not like Nuphoria is shot on SAKs.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on June 08, 2009, 11:26:13 AM
Anyone got anything (constructive) to add here yet?

I want a legal EDC knife....  :pok:

Byrd Wings slippit? :pok: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on June 08, 2009, 03:44:29 PM
I would jump at one but they are not for lefties  :(

I tried to figure out if I could mod it so the blades were the other way round but I think it's impossible.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on June 08, 2009, 04:34:00 PM
Ah yes... I had forgotten all about that. :-\ Well, judging from [this (http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/8493/bild015h.jpg)] pic, if that spacer under the tip of the blade is a separate piece of metal and not part of the slab, it could be easily "leftified ". On the other hand, the chisel grind on the SE blade is definitely set up for right hand use, but that should be a minor annoyance. Anyway, if you manage to get one and it turns out it can't be converted for left-hand use, I'd happily take it off your hands. :)

EDIT: As it is now it has the added "benefit" of not being OHO for lefties... ;) :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on June 08, 2009, 04:41:35 PM
That's what I was thinking when I looked at it, but I'm mostly convinced that the spacer is part of or welded to the bolster.... if you're serious about buying it off me I might keep an eye out for a cheap used one to play with ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on June 08, 2009, 04:43:52 PM
Oh I am. I almost got one from Charity (didn't pull the trigger to finance some other "acquisitions"... ::)).
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 08, 2009, 06:02:01 PM
Nah, doesn't do it for me..... I think what I want is unobtainium currently (including sleep eh?!)
Sleep would be nice :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on June 08, 2009, 11:36:20 PM
Here's some information on the Byrd Wings on British Blades:

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79007&highlight=byrd+wings (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79007&highlight=byrd+wings)

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81267&highlight=byrd+wings (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81267&highlight=byrd+wings)

The blade problems in the second thread sound worrying :(

I have a Taylor's Eye Witness knife that is pretty good. The finish isn't perfect but it takes a good edge and it seems a little more robust than a SAK, the price has gone up recently though :(. I'll do pictures and a review when I get time.
Here's some links in the meantime, the last 3 have reviews:

[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Blade/dp/B0000APEIZ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1244496667&sr=8-10] (http://[/url) worrying :(

I have a Taylor's Eye Witness knife that is pretty good. The finish isn't perfect but it takes a good edge and it seems a little more robust than a SAK, the price has gone up recently though :(. I'll do pictures and a review when I get time.
Here's some links in the meantime, the last 3 have reviews:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Blade/dp/B0000APEIZ/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1244496667&sr=8-10

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Lambfoot/dp/B0000APEGZ/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=diy&qid=1244496667&sr=8-12 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Lambfoot/dp/B0000APEGZ/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=diy&qid=1244496667&sr=8-12)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Barlow/dp/B0000APEGY/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=diy&qid=1244496686&sr=8-23 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Barlow/dp/B0000APEGY/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=diy&qid=1244496686&sr=8-23)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Lambfoot/dp/B0000APEIF/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1244496686&sr=8-28 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wooden-Handled-Outdoor-Knife-Lambfoot/dp/B0000APEIF/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1244496686&sr=8-28)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 09, 2009, 07:18:17 AM
Look forward to the review mate :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on June 09, 2009, 06:52:17 PM
Look forward to the review mate :tu:

I hope I make a better job of it than I did of that dodgy link two posts up :o

Not even sure how I managed that!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 09, 2009, 07:01:07 PM
Look forward to the review mate :tu:

I hope I make a better job of it than I did of that dodgy link two posts up :o

Not even sure how I managed that!
Easily done mate :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 05, 2009, 02:21:37 AM
I'm still after a nice buffalo handled slippie.... don't want another badly made one though! ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 05, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
I'm still after a nice buffalo handled slippie.... don't want another badly made one though! ::)

Russell White at Taylor Eye Witness could hook you up with something similar to this but with Buffalo  :pok:


(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1239.jpg)

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1237.jpg)

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1236.jpg)

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1234.jpg)

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/benniehunts/IMG_1229.jpg)

(I just like posting those pics  :D)


Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 05, 2009, 02:08:59 PM
LOL... well thanks for posting them!

I shall go investigate that possibility further  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on July 05, 2009, 02:11:08 PM
(I just like posting those pics  :D)
I can see why....  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on July 05, 2009, 07:47:21 PM
(I just like posting those pics  :D)
I can see why....  :drool:

Looks great doesn't it :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 05, 2009, 07:49:20 PM
The micarta actually has a nice grain to it which I don't think can be seen on the pics.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on July 05, 2009, 08:17:54 PM
(I just like posting those pics  :D)
I can see why....  :drool:
Looks great doesn't it :)
Shame on you, Benner... First the Spyderco DKPK & now this...  :twak:
Are you trying to get me sleepless nights, go bankrupt or both..?  ;)  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 05, 2009, 08:22:52 PM
A bit of both if I'm honest.  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 06, 2009, 12:47:33 AM
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 06, 2009, 12:51:56 AM
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it  :tu:

I'll have to take some more up to date piccies.  :)

It's a shame really as it sees very little use.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 06, 2009, 05:27:55 PM
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it  :tu:

I'll have to take some more up to date piccies.  :)

It's a shame really as it sees very little use.

Why? 

 :pok: You know where you have to send it if it looks like becoming a shelf queen  >:D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 06, 2009, 07:47:14 PM
Yeah, I'd take it on! The brand new version seems a little out of my current price range sadly. Will probably keep lusting after it anyway  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 06, 2009, 10:05:13 PM
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it  :tu:

I'll have to take some more up to date piccies.  :)

It's a shame really as it sees very little use.

Why? 

 :pok: You know where you have to send it if it looks like becoming a shelf queen  >:D

It does get carried every now and then, but the problem is that for it's size and weight I can have so much more function in a SAK.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 06, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
That is a truly nice knife Ben, please do feel free to keep posting pics of it  :tu:

I'll have to take some more up to date piccies.  :)

It's a shame really as it sees very little use.

Why? 

 :pok: You know where you have to send it if it looks like becoming a shelf queen  >:D

It does get carried every now and then, but the problem is that for it's size and weight I can have so much more function in a SAK.
Trouble is you can say that about pretty much everything :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 06, 2009, 10:37:13 PM
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 06, 2009, 10:40:39 PM
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.
Sorry that's what I meant :-[

I'm not hung up on OH anymore, so any slippy I buy is going to have to compete head to head with a Sak, and frankly none of them do, exept perhaps in better steels :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 06, 2009, 11:00:17 PM
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.
Sorry that's what I meant :-[

I'm not hung up on OH anymore, so any slippy I buy is going to have to compete head to head with a Sak, and frankly none of them do, exept perhaps in better steels :-\

Which don't seem to be very readily available  :think: (at least over here anyway).
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 06, 2009, 11:01:55 PM
You can, but because I find OH openers such a huge convenience, I don't mind it with those but on a 2 handed folder that basically has the same blade as a SAK, it's hard to justify.
Sorry that's what I meant :-[

I'm not hung up on OH anymore, so any slippy I buy is going to have to compete head to head with a Sak, and frankly none of them do, exept perhaps in better steels :-\

Which don't seem to be very readily available  :think: (at least over here anyway).
Mind you that's probably a good thing really, or we'd be even more skinted :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 06, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
True.  :D But it would be nice to have the choice.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 07, 2009, 04:30:18 AM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 07, 2009, 06:42:40 AM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\
There is this http://www.heinnie.com/ntae5m38043/Knives/B%C3%B6ker/Boker-Buddy/p-92-116-3578/

But even that's quite expensive given the knife's spec :-\

It'll be well made though :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on July 07, 2009, 09:57:21 AM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\


Very reasonably priced and UK legal:
http://www.heinnie.com/bykkov38274/Knives/Columbia-River/Columbia-River-Edgie/p-92-129-781/
Don't have an Edgie yet, but have read some good reviews by people who carry it as a work knife / beater knife.

Then of course there is this:
http://www.heinnie.com/bykkov38274/Knives/Byrd/Byrd-Wings-Slipit/p-92-121-3979/
Micky d agreed to buy this knife and write a review for MTO, but he seems to be falling behind in his duties.  ;>

.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 07, 2009, 10:42:06 AM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\

I'm tempted to have a play with the Edgie  :think:  I can't imagine second hand UKPKs are common.  I don't use mine as often as used to but I've no intentions of parting with such a good UK legal carry knife and I expect there are many of a similar mindset.  You might have to save up your pennies :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on July 07, 2009, 10:52:18 AM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\

I'm tempted to have a play with the Edgie  :think:  I can't imagine second hand UKPKs are common.  I don't use mine as often as used to but I've no intentions of parting with such a good UK legal carry knife and I expect there are many of a similar mindset.  You might have to save up your pennies :-\

How much are those UKPK going for?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 07, 2009, 10:57:53 AM
How much are those UKPK going for?

£106  :ahhh

http://www.heinnie.com/Yq7mk838445/Knives/Spyderco/Spyderco-UK-Penknife/p-92-191-3097/
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on July 07, 2009, 11:49:40 AM
How much are those UKPK going for?

£106  :ahhh

http://www.heinnie.com/Yq7mk838445/Knives/Spyderco/Spyderco-UK-Penknife/p-92-191-3097/

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

They were going for around 80ish USD in the states!
I think those new Urban's are around that price currently
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 07, 2009, 12:32:59 PM
Those are all good suggestions chaps but also not lefty friendly... that's my problem, most knives do not have the option of switching the clip over. This is why I have kinda settled on getting a UKPK  :-\

They come up used now and again so I'll just have to keep hanging out for that I think  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 07, 2009, 05:05:15 PM
Yep, choice is the issue over here all right.... I have a hankering for a UKPK now as I'm getting in to the OH thing. A cheaper used one would be fine as it's going to be a user.

There just isn't a similar thing thats cheaper out there is there?!  :-\

I'm tempted to have a play with the Edgie  :think:  I can't imagine second hand UKPKs are common.  I don't use mine as often as used to but I've no intentions of parting with such a good UK legal carry knife and I expect there are many of a similar mindset.  You might have to save up your pennies :-\

I played with Nick's edgie and for the cash I was quite impressed.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 09, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
I was hoping heinnies would do this and now they have http://heinnie.com/vmg9hu48831/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/c-1-92-641/  All the legal carry knives in one section.  :tu:  Great.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 09, 2009, 01:29:47 PM
I was hoping heinnies would do this and now they have http://heinnie.com/vmg9hu48831/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/c-1-92-641/  All the legal carry knives in one section.  :tu:  Great.

About time! Makes it easier than trawling through everything or searching for "legal" etc  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Magic Bus on July 09, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
I noticed that too, good idea. They need a Tac Folder section too though, eh Ben??  :pok:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 09, 2009, 02:29:16 PM
I noticed that too, good idea. They need a Tac Folder section too though, eh Ben??  :pok:  :D

No they don't!  At least mixing them all up slows me seeing them a tad.  Could be very dangerous having a section devoted to them.  :o :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 09, 2009, 02:38:17 PM
I noticed that too, good idea. They need a Tac Folder section too though, eh Ben??  :pok:  :D

No they don't!  At least mixing them all up slows me seeing them a tad.  Could be very dangerous having a section devoted to them.  :o :D

Erm yes, that legal section is in serious danger of scuppering my finances!  :o
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 09, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
Did you see the Silver Stag?  Actually I saw quite a few interesting items, all at around twice what I'd pay.  I've been so spoiled by SAKs :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 09, 2009, 02:44:19 PM
Did you see the Silver Stag?  Actually I saw quite a few interesting items, all at around twice what I'd pay.  I've been so spoiled by SAKs :)

Not sure what I think about the Silver Stag.  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 09, 2009, 02:47:00 PM
That's fair enough :)  I thought it was a bit quirky but in a nice way.  I'd never use one, look good on the shelf though ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 09, 2009, 02:47:30 PM
That's fair enough :)  I thought it was a bit quirky but in a nice way.  I'd never use one, look good on the shelf though ;)

 :twak:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 09, 2009, 04:00:25 PM
At least Heinnie's listen to there emails then :angel:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 09, 2009, 06:59:52 PM
Yes, good on 'em  :tu:

The Stag doesn't so it for me despite having a lovely blade. The Citadel however, is real purty  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 13, 2009, 10:57:30 PM
I think I like the urban and UKPK how to decide?, they look the same and same price :think:


And no I can't afford both  :D  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 13, 2009, 10:59:23 PM
I personally feel that the Urban is a bit more sheeple friendly and would attract less unwanted attention, so would be inclined to go with that rather than the UKPK I think.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 14, 2009, 07:26:07 AM
+1 on the Urban :)

Yes there both legal, but at least the Urban being that much smaller and less aggresive might stop you having to go down the station to prove it :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 14, 2009, 11:29:21 AM
Does this mean we will be able to carry fixed blade knives soon  :D  LMAO,The kitchen legal knife  http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6501720.ece  whatever next  :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 14, 2009, 12:25:26 PM
The wordl's gawn bonkers eh?  ??? :ahhh :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 14, 2009, 01:42:02 PM
The wordl's gawn bonkers eh?  ??? :ahhh :think:
So true,now to all the governments out there please let us have the edge on knives kept sharp,blunt knives are a danger  :pok: oh and leave sharpened pencils alone also  :twak:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 24, 2009, 04:08:22 PM
Spyderco are releasing a new slipIt that is very drool worthy  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 24, 2009, 04:10:44 PM
Spyderco are releasing a new slipIt that is very drool worthy  :drool:
Oh wait, now you have to spill the beans-  :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 24, 2009, 04:20:15 PM
Here's a bit of info http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP131CFP
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 24, 2009, 04:29:31 PM
Here's a bit of info http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP131CFP
Thanks looks nice,I think we'll see lots more slipits in the near future as it seems the whole world has gone non locking bonkers  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 24, 2009, 06:39:48 PM
Here's a bit of info http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=SP131CFP
Me wanteth :gimme:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 24, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
It may be legal carry but looks wise that thing will get you more grief than the UKPK  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 24, 2009, 10:14:37 PM
It may be legal carry but looks wise that thing will get you more grief than the UKPK  :-\
Oh definetly :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 24, 2009, 10:46:03 PM
It may be legal carry but looks wise that thing will get you more grief than the UKPK  :-\
Yeah! I can see it being a lot of grief as it will most likely cost much more the UKPK  :ahhh

 that said I think I'll risk the grief otherwise   :gimme: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 24, 2009, 11:31:46 PM
Yeah, me too  :gimme:

It's good to see that major players are taking on the legal carry issues more these days. We might end up with a few nice options for EDC over here on paranoid isle  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 24, 2009, 11:33:36 PM
Well it does seem as though there is a trend developing, albeit slowly :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 25, 2009, 12:02:22 AM
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING  :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 25, 2009, 09:20:49 AM
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING  :ahhh
I'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on July 25, 2009, 08:07:03 PM
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING  :ahhh
I'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D

Hope they are under 3 inches long :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 25, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
Well we need to speed it up a little,I'm offering one handed magnifiers FREE,NON LOCKING  :ahhh
I'll want a letter from a judge before I'll risk carrying one mate :D

Hope they are under 3 inches long :)
As confirmed in court "LOL" they are under 3"  :oops: did I drop my guard haha! no! seriously they're legit  :police:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on July 26, 2009, 12:42:21 AM
I really wish Spyderco could make a more economical Urban/UKPK with a different steel and handle material to make it cheaper...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on July 26, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
Run with me on my slightly tangled logic here.  The majority of places that sell knives and multitools here are outdoors shops, right?  I think it's still seen as acceptable that outdoorsmen (and women) often need a knife.  So I truly think the way into the UK market for Spyderco is through them.  I'm thinking rock climbers, sailors, canoeists etc.  Folks with ropes.

What I'd like to see from Spyderco is this:  Tenacious price range, slipit, sheepsfoot (PE and SE), sub 3", friendly coloured handle, marketed as a UK legal rescue knife.  I really think that Spyderco need to realise they aren't a household name here (outside of a few of us) and until they make a knife that is genuinely non-threatening they just aren't going to sell. 

I think it's fantastic that Sal has designed the UKPK and the Urban with us in mind, but I truly think they got the product wrong.  Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 26, 2009, 02:04:00 AM
...  Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\

I think that sums things up quite nicely  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on July 26, 2009, 02:26:54 AM
...  Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\

I think that sums things up quite nicely  :tu:

I agree. It really sucks because the UKPK and Urban are sold at crazy prices in the UK however they are sold a lot more cheaper in the US. However I doubt they sell really well in the US...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 26, 2009, 02:44:07 AM
Are there any states/cities that prohibit lockers in the USA?  Considering the roundabout way it became UK law I can't imagine it.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on July 26, 2009, 02:59:25 AM
I really wish Spyderco could make a more economical Urban/UKPK with a different steel and handle material to make it cheaper...

That's probably on the way.

IIRC, Sal (aka Mr. Spyderco) posted about a bargain price UKPK or Urban over on British Blades.

.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on July 26, 2009, 08:42:06 AM
It's not to crash in on your UK thread, but I contacted the a danish retailer of the DKPK, that informed that they won't b getting them anymore, because some unsolved "issues". Apparently the DKPK can be opened with One Hand afterall... :P So no Spyderco for me... :-\
Enjoy those who can...  ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tinnie on July 26, 2009, 09:01:14 AM
It's not to crash in on your UK thread, but I contacted the a danish retailer of the DKPK, that informed that they won't b getting them anymore, because some unsolved "issues". Apparently the DKPK can be opened with One Hand afterall... :P So no Spyderco for me... :-\
Enjoy those who can...  ;)

That sucks mate :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 26, 2009, 09:43:04 AM
Run with me on my slightly tangled logic here.  The majority of places that sell knives and multitools here are outdoors shops, right?  I think it's still seen as acceptable that outdoorsmen (and women) often need a knife.  So I truly think the way into the UK market for Spyderco is through them.  I'm thinking rock climbers, sailors, canoeists etc.  Folks with ropes.

What I'd like to see from Spyderco is this:  Tenacious price range, slipit, sheepsfoot (PE and SE), sub 3", friendly coloured handle, marketed as a UK legal rescue knife.  I really think that Spyderco need to realise they aren't a household name here (outside of a few of us) and until they make a knife that is genuinely non-threatening they just aren't going to sell. 

I think it's fantastic that Sal has designed the UKPK and the Urban with us in mind, but I truly think they got the product wrong.  Pointy and expensive doesn't seem to be the way to go here IMO. :-\
Very good and reasoned point mate :tu:

Can I suggest you email it to Spyderco with a link to this thread please? :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 26, 2009, 11:32:15 AM
I really wish Spyderco could make a more economical Urban/UKPK with a different steel and handle material to make it cheaper...

That's probably on the way.

IIRC, Sal (aka Mr. Spyderco) posted about a bargain price UKPK or Urban over on British Blades.

.


He did indeed, so he does recognise the need for a cheaper model.

Referring to Gareths comment, they do sell and very well infact, so why should he do anything different?  Both the Urban and the UKPK (from what I believe) have had such high sales at times that they haven't been able to keep up with the demand.  I'm not saying I don't want a cheaper, safer looking one as I do, but the sales figures are good for the Urban and the UKPK so it seems Sal has hit the market pretty well and haven't got it wrong at all for quite a few people.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on July 26, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
I think it's more a case of Sal recognising the UK market for Spyderco as being quite small.  I have no idea of the numbers produced or sold but I can't think they were that high (I'd love it is someone knew).  What they seem to have done was produce a knife for the fairly limited number of folks who already knew of the Spyderco brand. 

I could be way off the mark here but in my experience I have never seen a Spyderco for sale in a physical shop (there must be somewhere I'm sure) and I only ever met one person who recognised my Delica as a Spyderco and was impressed.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on July 26, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
I think it's more a case of Sal recognising the UK market for Spyderco as being quite small.  I have no idea of the numbers produced or sold but I can't think they were that high (I'd love it is someone knew).  What they seem to have done was produce a knife for the fairly limited number of folks who already knew of the Spyderco brand. 

I could be way off the mark here but in my experience I have never seen a Spyderco for sale in a physical shop (there must be somewhere I'm sure) and I only ever met one person who recognised my Delica as a Spyderco and was impressed.

I see what you mean, but TBH I don't think people will ever see past the "knife" part over here, despite what efforts are made to make them more sheeple friendly.  And that mindset is only going to get worse.  :(  People who are interested and use quality knives will pretty much have heard of Spyderco anyway I would expect.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 30, 2009, 05:27:08 PM
I think it's more a case of Sal recognising the UK market for Spyderco as being quite small.  I have no idea of the numbers produced or sold but I can't think they were that high (I'd love it is someone knew).  What they seem to have done was produce a knife for the fairly limited number of folks who already knew of the Spyderco brand. 

I could be way off the mark here but in my experience I have never seen a Spyderco for sale in a physical shop (there must be somewhere I'm sure) and I only ever met one person who recognised my Delica as a Spyderco and was impressed.

I see what you mean, but TBH I don't think people will ever see past the "knife" part over here, despite what efforts are made to make them more sheeple friendly.  And that mindset is only going to get worse.  :(  People who are interested and use quality knives will pretty much have heard of Spyderco anyway I would expect.


You're right, it will get worse. People are out there screaming blue bloody murder at ALL knife carriers and there's no objective discourse being entered in to. I don't wish to ever negate the tragedy of young lives being taken but it's not by us, the collectors who appreciate good, safe knife practice.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on August 06, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
I have been made aware recently of case knives, in particular the:case sod buster jr I have checked it out on youtube and else where and IMO it looks a good candidate for EDC here  :D

I'll except a  :pok: and  :twak: if it's already been mentioned  :tu:


I may have one soon curtsy of ringzero  :cheers: Mark  :salute:


[edit]  :oops: looks like I'll get a  :twak: :twak: after all  :D as I just read it's listed in the first post,that's what I get for posting first then searching after  :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 06, 2009, 05:16:20 PM
They are great UK EDC candidates.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on August 06, 2009, 05:23:24 PM
They are great UK EDC candidates.  :tu:
One thing in it's favour it does'nt look scary at all like some other slippy's ,I mean I don't think anyone would bat an eye, if you were to take it out and start peeling an apple  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 05:55:18 PM
Svord Peasant knife is now available at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ji5Yil246803&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4444
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on August 20, 2009, 05:56:41 PM
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 05:57:12 PM
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.

Moonraker knives have those.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: heavy handed on August 20, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Svord Peasant knife is now available at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ji5Yil246803&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4444

sold out alredy though :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 05:59:50 PM
Svord Peasant knife is now available at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ji5Yil246803&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4444

sold out alredy though :(

Usualyl legal EDC blades do in the first couple of days.  They'll have more next week.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on August 20, 2009, 06:07:33 PM
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.

Moonraker knives have those.

 :pok: In pretty colours :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 06:08:42 PM
Wish they did the cheaper plastic version.

Moonraker knives have those.

 :pok: In pretty colours :D

Looks like black only http://moonrakerknives.co.uk/svord.htm
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 20, 2009, 06:09:37 PM
Shame there 78mm though :-\

You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 06:10:28 PM
Shame there 78mm though :-\

You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D

Cutting edge is below.  Stop being paranoid!  :twak: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 20, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
Shame there 78mm though :-\

You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D

Cutting edge is below.  Stop being paranoid!  :twak: :D
I'm only joking :D

I reckon I may have to get one soon :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on August 20, 2009, 06:13:51 PM
Shame there 78mm though :-\

You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D

Cutting edge is below.  Stop being paranoid!  :twak: :D
I'm only joking :D

I reckon I may have to get one soon :)

I will get one eventually, but what has stopped me getting one sooner is the sheer size of it folded and how it will blatantly stab you in the gut every time you bend over.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on August 20, 2009, 06:15:08 PM
Shame there 78mm though :-\

You may have to snap the tip off in your victim to be fully street legal then :D

Cutting edge is below.  Stop being paranoid!  :twak: :D
I'm only joking :D

I reckon I may have to get one soon :)

I will get one eventually, but what has stopped me getting one sooner is the sheer size of it folded and how it will blatantly stab you in the gut every time you bend over.
But we don't have a gut :think: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on August 20, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
I wasn't planning on carrying it on a daily basis (my gut would get in the way  ::) ), I just fancied having a knife of that design.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on October 09, 2009, 05:06:41 PM
New slipit now at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=qzhs7v514396&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4541
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on October 09, 2009, 05:12:24 PM
Now that's a nice slipit  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on October 09, 2009, 05:16:39 PM
New slipit now at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=qzhs7v514396&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4541

Yet again though it's not the design that stopping me getting one, it's the price. ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on October 09, 2009, 05:29:36 PM
Yeah it's not cheap.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on October 09, 2009, 06:09:35 PM
I picked one up a little while ago and it is a very nice knife. I carried it for a day or two but decided I didn't like it as much as my UKPK... main reason is that I carry them on the clip and the Bob T stands a little higher, or prouder from the pocket. Got a great snap and a very sharp blade - what you'd expect from a Spydie I guess.

Mebee I'll sell it...  :think:
Could do with the cash back from it really but I hate selling potential EDC legal carry  ::)  We have so few bloody options.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 09, 2009, 06:15:38 PM
New slipit now at Heinnies http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?s=qzhs7v514396&strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4541
Me want :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: heavy handed on October 20, 2009, 06:23:38 PM
just got back from my hols, and the two things ive been waiting for have come true, a job offer  and heinnie selling the terzuola, orderd my spyde today hopefully the postal strike wont delay it too long. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on October 20, 2009, 06:48:16 PM
just got back from my hols, and the two things ive been waiting for have come true, a job offer  and heinnie selling the terzuola, orderd my spyde today hopefully the postal strike wont delay it too long. :D

Hope you enjoyed your hols  :tu: now we will need lots of pics when the  spyderco  T arrives  :pok: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: heavy handed on October 20, 2009, 07:10:06 PM
will do pics and reviews  :salute:, :).
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on October 20, 2009, 07:10:48 PM
Cool  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on October 20, 2009, 07:27:12 PM
Cant wait for the review heavy handed  ;)

Oh and Ben have I every mentioned what a wonderful and friendly forum this is  :think:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on October 20, 2009, 09:28:48 PM
just got back from my hols, and the two things ive been waiting for have come true, a job offer  and heinnie selling the terzuola, orderd my spyde today hopefully the postal strike wont delay it too long. :D
Nice one on the job offer mate :)

And I'll look forward to the review too :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 09, 2009, 04:08:27 PM
Ooooo!  Just this second Heinnies has added a Case (the knife brand) section.  Nowt in in yet, but lets hope they fill it with legal EDC goodness!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 09, 2009, 04:33:47 PM
Bloody typical!  First one is a sodding locker.  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 09, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
Bloody typical!  First one is a sodding locker.  ::)
Plus it's one of the pricey model's too ::)

We want Yellow Derlin :pok: :pok: :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on November 14, 2009, 04:35:59 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on November 14, 2009, 04:44:17 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?

The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine  :tu:




[edit]  :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: cryptrick on November 14, 2009, 05:03:43 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?

The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine  :tu:




[edit]  :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds  :D

Lol, under £3 would be bloody hard wouldn't it :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on November 14, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?

The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine  :tu:




[edit]  :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds  :D

I knew that, I just didn't know if the knives met that criteria, because of their strange opening mechanism.

These are the knives I'm talking about http://www.888professional.com/products.html
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on November 14, 2009, 06:57:40 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?

The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine  :tu:




[edit]  :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds  :D

I knew that, I just didn't know if the knives met that criteria, because of their strange opening mechanism.

These are the knives I'm talking about http://www.888professional.com/products.html

Yeah I saw those well for me the blade kinda locks open by using the handles so I'm guessing not legal carry  :salute: in other words you cant put pressure either side of the blade to close,it will stay locked into place until you release the handle.

On top of that I'm not sure what UK customs would make of that unusual deployment  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 14, 2009, 07:17:45 PM
Interesting knives.  Haven't really looked into those before.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
Does anyone know if the Triple Eight Professional knives are legal to carry in the UK?

The only knives legal to carry are slip jointed knives with a blade under £3 if 888 do knife around this spec they'll be fine  :tu:




[edit]  :oops: that'll be 3"'s not pounds  :D

I knew that, I just didn't know if the knives met that criteria, because of their strange opening mechanism.

These are the knives I'm talking about http://www.888professional.com/products.html

Yeah I saw those well for me the blade kinda locks open by using the handles so I'm guessing not legal carry  :salute: in other words you cant put pressure either side of the blade to close,it will stay locked into place until you release the handle.

On top of that I'm not sure what UK customs would make of that unusual deployment  :think:

Is this the bit you're worried about?

"(i) the weapon sometimes known as a "balisong" or "butterfly knife" , being a blade enclosed by its handle, which is designed to split down the middle, without the operation of a spring or other mechanical means, to reveal the blade;"

From the 1988 Criminal Justice Act.

While the 888 might fit the descriptive text, it isn't a balisong so I wouldn't be worried about importing one.  BUT having watched this video I'd definitely think of it as a locker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvchXaedyWk

All that said; I'm no lawyer or Judge. :D

Handy looking little knife though. :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on November 14, 2009, 07:38:44 PM
Gareth I'd be worried about importing a lolly pop stick these days  :rofl:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 14, 2009, 07:48:56 PM
Gareth I'd be worried about importing a lolly pop stick these days  :rofl:

LOL, fair enough. :D :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 17, 2009, 10:34:08 PM
Heinnies have slippy Cases!! Woohoo!  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 18, 2009, 07:00:39 AM
Heinnies have slippy Cases!! Woohoo!  :tu:
Lusting over them as we speak :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 18, 2009, 09:41:12 AM
Mmm yummy  :drool:

I don't usually do the blue thing, or the bone thing but that Blue Canoe has got my juices flowing a tad...

(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/219/1/9/SuperEager_Emote_by_endosage.gif)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 18, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
I didn't know Case did knives with scissors as well.

http://www.heinnie.com/agrwvp727167/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/Case/Case-Amber-Bone-Pen-With-Scissors/p-92-641-721-4686/

 :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on November 18, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
Heinnies have slippy Cases!! Woohoo!  :tu:

Yeah, but they offer only expensive Cases.

They should offer Sodbuster Jr. and some of the other patterns from Case's "Working Series" that sell for less than $20.

These have Delrin scales and aren't finished to as high a standard as other Cases, but they are robust knives that offer good value for EDC.

.
 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 18, 2009, 11:00:25 PM
Oh I agree, but it's a start.  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 18, 2009, 11:51:23 PM
I didn't know Case did knives with scissors as well.

http://www.heinnie.com/agrwvp727167/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry/Case/Case-Amber-Bone-Pen-With-Scissors/p-92-641-721-4686/

 :tu:

Oooh, so they do  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on November 20, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Do the same laws apply to children? I know this 12 year old who wants to carry a sub 3 inch, non locking penknife. Is this legal?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 20, 2009, 07:14:11 PM
I'm not sure tbh :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 20, 2009, 08:39:18 PM
Do the same laws apply to children? I know this 12 year old who wants to carry a sub 3 inch, non locking penknife. Is this legal?

Well, ours does!  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 20, 2009, 08:42:55 PM
I believe the only age restriction is for buying and not carrying.  Could be wrong though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ryan1835 on December 12, 2009, 01:49:59 PM
so this would make a charge illegal?

what if im using it for work?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 12, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
so this would make a charge illegal?

what if im using it for work?
As long as you've a good reason (like your job) then it's ok :)

But it's probably only a matter of time before one hand openers are legislated against anyway :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ryan1835 on December 12, 2009, 02:11:45 PM
the fact its one handed dosent appeal too much it just adds to the cool factor  8)

what about age or is that just to buy?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 12, 2009, 02:12:22 PM
so this would make a charge illegal?

what if im using it for work?

It kinda breaks down like this;

if you have no specific reason that you need to carry a locking or fixed blade, then you can only carry a sub 3" slippy.  "Just in case" is not a specific reason.

if you feel your work can justify the use of a knife then you can use pretty much whatever you want, but IMO if you're silly about it you'll still end up explaining yourself to a judge.  So (IMO) no 12" tanto just because you are a carpet fitter.  

You can also transport the knife to and from work but stopping on the way is a no-no.  So leaving work, having a pint, seeing a film and then going home is out.

So a lot of it depends on what you do for a living; maintenance guy? Go for it. :tu:  Office tea boy? Not so much. :-\

BTW I believe that if you are having to "think" about a reason why you'll get away with it, then there is a good chance you'll have a hard time persuading the authorities that it really is a good reason at all. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 12, 2009, 02:23:31 PM
Great summation Gareth  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on December 12, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
All what Gareth said   :tu:  I would just add this I would not recommend carrying this to work and then having to explain it's for opening boxes  ::)

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/001-85.jpg)



For that I would carry this  :salute: as it would be easier to explain and chances are you would be believed,it's really common sense  ;)

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/001-91.jpg)



Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ryan1835 on December 12, 2009, 08:05:27 PM
im a maintenance guy so yeah i guess i should be okay :)

it s just better to double check :P


so this would make a charge illegal?

what if im using it for work?

It kinda breaks down like this;

if you have no specific reason that you need to carry a locking or fixed blade, then you can only carry a sub 3" slippy.  "Just in case" is not a specific reason.

if you feel your work can justify the use of a knife then you can use pretty much whatever you want, but IMO if you're silly about it you'll still end up explaining yourself to a judge.  So (IMO) no 12" tanto just because you are a carpet fitter.  

You can also transport the knife to and from work but stopping on the way is a no-no.  So leaving work, having a pint, seeing a film and then going home is out.

So a lot of it depends on what you do for a living; maintenance guy? Go for it. :tu:  Office tea boy? Not so much. :-\

BTW I believe that if you are having to "think" about a reason why you'll get away with it, then there is a good chance you'll have a hard time persuading the authorities that it really is a good reason at all. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on December 12, 2009, 08:17:00 PM
so this would make a charge illegal?

what if im using it for work?

It kinda breaks down like this;

if you have no specific reason that you need to carry a locking or fixed blade, then you can only carry a sub 3" slippy.  "Just in case" is not a specific reason.

if you feel your work can justify the use of a knife then you can use pretty much whatever you want, but IMO if you're silly about it you'll still end up explaining yourself to a judge.  So (IMO) no 12" tanto just because you are a carpet fitter.  

You can also transport the knife to and from work but stopping on the way is a no-no.  So leaving work, having a pint, seeing a film and then going home is out.

So a lot of it depends on what you do for a living; maintenance guy? Go for it. :tu:  Office tea boy? Not so much. :-\

BTW I believe that if you are having to "think" about a reason why you'll get away with it, then there is a good chance you'll have a hard time persuading the authorities that it really is a good reason at all. :)
Pretty much the same as we have here, except we are not allowed to carry anything with locks and Oho...
Ohh, and the blade must not be one millimeter over 7 cm...   :-\
We are waiting for the danish Supreme court to rule in a case where some poor guy is sentenced 7 days in jail for carrying a multitool where the blade was 7,3 cm...  :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on December 12, 2009, 08:49:50 PM
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them  :think:

http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on December 12, 2009, 09:12:10 PM
Also anyone have an idea how this would stand  :tu: I think I already know the answer,if the blade locks it's a no go true but it's food for thought  ;)

I don't carry a blade in my artifact but the anti stab blade gave me an idea
before and after reshaping the blade  :think:

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/003-61.jpg)



(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/003-66.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on December 12, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
Yes you do already know the answer :)

It locks, profile of the blade is not taken into account.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on December 12, 2009, 10:29:51 PM
Yes you do already know the answer :)

It locks, profile of the blade is not taken into account.

Yeah I'm just playing with idea's alas as I have nothing better to do  :D

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ringzero on December 13, 2009, 03:30:27 AM
For that I would carry this  :salute: as it would be easier to explain and chances are you would be believed,it's really common sense  ;)

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/001-91.jpg)

Those turn out to have a variety of uses.  ;>

Recently saw a guy interviewed on local television news that was the victim of attempted strongarm robbery.

He sent both of his attackers to the hospital using one of those, where they were promptly arrested and charged.  ;>

.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ryan1835 on December 13, 2009, 10:22:20 AM
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them  :think:

http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
 

yeah but if everyone throws out there kitchen knives for these, guess who will go looking for the old kitchen knives  :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on December 13, 2009, 11:58:59 AM
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them  :think:

http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
 

yeah but if everyone throws out there kitchen knives for these, guess who will go looking for the old kitchen knives  :P

I not suggesting anyone throws out their kitchen knives  :ahhh on the contrary I'd encourage people to buy more sharp pointy ones  >:D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Freudian Frog on December 14, 2009, 07:02:45 AM
Maybe if manufacturers incorporated the anti stab blade into multi tools we maybe able to carry them, at least you could slice sausage with them  :think:

http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html (http://knifecrime.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-anti-stab-knives-for-kitchen-coming.html)
 

yeah but if everyone throws out there kitchen knives for these, guess who will go looking for the old kitchen knives  :P

I not suggesting anyone throws out their kitchen knives  :ahhh on the contrary I'd encourage people to buy more sharp pointy ones  >:D

I do hope the design becomes more universal for kitchen knives, but I also hope no one's depending on it to reduce crime...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on February 03, 2010, 10:43:42 PM
I know I've already asked this, but does anyone have any more ideas about how the law would view the 888 Professional knives. Sorry in advance for asking the same question again!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 03, 2010, 10:44:56 PM
I'd personally class them in the lockers section.  I go by the theory of "If you have doubts so might a copper".
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on February 03, 2010, 10:46:37 PM
I'd personally class them in the lockers section.  I go by the theory of "If you have doubts so might a copper".
Good theory..  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on February 03, 2010, 10:48:11 PM
It's such a shame, they look so useful!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 03, 2010, 10:48:50 PM
It's such a shame, they look so useful!

They do indeed.  The rescue one looks very tempting.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on February 03, 2010, 10:56:06 PM
It's such a shame, they look so useful!

They do indeed.  The rescue one looks very tempting.

That's the one I was thinking of buying! It has all the features that my LM Juice lacks.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on February 03, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
If it locks no matter the blade size could result in you being loaned some nice SS bracelets  :_c: :police:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 03, 2010, 11:08:06 PM
If it locks no matter the blade size could result in you being loaned some nice SS bracelets  :_c: :police:

The question is if it is actually a locker though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on February 03, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
If it locks no matter the blade size could result in you being loaned some nice SS bracelets  :_c: :police:

The question is if it is actually a locker though.

My worry would be it kinda locks with the two halves of the handle,tho TBH I don't no how the law would perceive it as a slip joint  :think: I''d air on the side of caution,the other thing is customs  :police: would they see it as a gravity knife?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on February 03, 2010, 11:29:07 PM
Some opinions here:

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?86103-New-Folding-Tool-Design-Uk-Legal (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?86103-New-Folding-Tool-Design-Uk-Legal)

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 07:12:29 PM
http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983

Looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on February 22, 2010, 07:44:22 PM
http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4983

Looks pretty sweet.

Agreed  :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2010, 09:48:43 PM
Not bad.  A bit to pointy perhaps?  But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 22, 2010, 09:51:49 PM
Not bad.  A bit to pointy perhaps?  But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.

I know how to put Ben off.  Here goes...


Does anyone else think the tip looks like that of a Douk Douk? :angel:



In seriousness I'm not sure I like the look of the tip myself, the proportion doesn't sit well to my eye.  Just a personal taste thing I suppose.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 22, 2010, 09:52:49 PM
is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 09:54:32 PM
is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D

Yes, the first post.  :D

May need updating though.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\

The tart in me really likes that :D  However I'm a poor tart so won't be partaking :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 09:57:28 PM
The MOP isn't bad actually.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 22, 2010, 09:59:36 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\

Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree).  I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :o

is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D

Yes, the first post.  :D

May need updating though.

I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think:  Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 22, 2010, 10:00:43 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\

Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree).  I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :o

is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D

Yes, the first post.  :D

May need updating though.

I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think:  Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)

none locking blades ,and not OH  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 22, 2010, 10:04:23 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\

Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree).  I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :o

is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D

Yes, the first post.  :D

May need updating though.

I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think:  Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)

none locking blades ,and not OH  :D

Ah, I just read forward to page 2.  Discussion as the fact that when the handles are closed, it might count as a lock as they do stop the blade closing on your fingers.

Poppycock IMO, but maybe better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 10:04:50 PM
If you read again, they do not count by our specs.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 10:05:56 PM
There is also this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=4982  Prefer the blade shape, but it's a bit manky looking.  :-\

Nope don't like the look of that at all (though the blade shape is much better, I agree).  I makes me think of the cheap cruddy knives you'd get in pipe shops except this one costs at least £80. :o

is there a page with a up date on the list ? as so many pages to go through   :-\ is the PST on there and the Kick ? and the micra  :D

Yes, the first post.  :D

May need updating though.

I just looked, none of the ones Paul mentioned are on there for some reason. :think:  Mike didn't write that bit did he? ;)

none locking blades ,and not OH  :D

Ah, I just read forward to page 2.  Discussion as the fact that when the handles are closed, it might count as a lock as they do stop the blade closing on your fingers.

Poppycock IMO, but maybe bester to be safe than sorry.

Beat me to it.

This is a 100% legal EDC thread, no if's or buts.  That's why it is like it is.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2010, 10:07:49 PM

Probably not included as they could be considered frame locks.  i.e. when deployed they can not simply be folded back into place.  I think it would take a court to decide .... and no I'm not volunteering to be the test case :D

I think when this thread began the deal was we'd only put on the list stuff that was 100% certain. 


You guys are fast  :o
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on February 22, 2010, 10:09:35 PM
Not bad.  A bit to pointy perhaps?  But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.

I know how to put Ben off.  Here goes...


Does anyone else think the tip looks like that of a Douk Douk? :angel:



In seriousness I'm not sure I like the look of the tip myself, the proportion doesn't sit well to my eye.  Just a personal taste thing I suppose.

You've put me off too now! I've always thought the tips of Douk Douks are really ugly.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 10:20:29 PM
Right peeps, I have gone through and I believe this is all up to date again.  Anything I have missed just let me know.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 22, 2010, 10:24:24 PM
Right peeps, I have gone through and I believe this is all up to date again.  Anything I have missed just let me know.

Nice one Ben :tu:

Spyderco HoneyBee isn't on.  Here's the relevant link.. http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=440
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 10:25:09 PM
Just added these;

Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html

Thanks Neil.  :tu:  Will ad that too.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 22, 2010, 10:30:18 PM
Not bad.  A bit to pointy perhaps?  But nice none the less. The wood scaled version is a good price as well.

I know how to put Ben off.  Here goes...


Does anyone else think the tip looks like that of a Douk Douk? :angel:



In seriousness I'm not sure I like the look of the tip myself, the proportion doesn't sit well to my eye.  Just a personal taste thing I suppose.

You've put me off too now! I've always thought the tips of Douk Douks are really ugly.

Sorry. :-[

Unless you were going to buy one, in which case I've saved you some money and; you're welcome. :tu:

 :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on February 22, 2010, 10:32:09 PM
Spyderco HoneyBee isn't on.  Here's the relevant link.. http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=440
That's nice too... :-\ >:(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 22, 2010, 10:34:20 PM
Just added these;

Citadel Buddy - http://knives-citadel.com/displayKnife.php?id=65
SOG Micron - http://sogknives.com/store/micron.html

Thanks Neil.  :tu:  Will ad that too.

I just found that the link for the CRKT Edgie was old.  Here's the new one.  

http://www.crkt.com/Edgie-Self-Sharpening-Knife-Razor-Sharp-Edge

I got slightly interested when I saw that CRKT have done an Edgie2.  

http://www.crkt.com/Edgie2
BUT it's too long, it's a locker and it's ugly. :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on February 22, 2010, 10:36:51 PM
Ta Gareth.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Magnus on March 09, 2010, 11:13:46 PM
does anyone here know if the Kershaw ET is UK legal?  it looks as though it doesn't lock open.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on March 10, 2010, 12:22:28 AM
I think that by dint of the fact you don't just fold the blade away (you press on the toggle again I think) it would never pass muster.  I know that I'd never expect a PC to take my word for it that it might be legal anyway. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on March 10, 2010, 07:12:01 AM
I think you'd get done just for the look of it :D

Plus there all possessed :o
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on March 19, 2010, 06:20:52 PM
I'd say the ET does lock - albeit an unusual locking mechanism. Plus, I think it would be a police magnet if you produced it in public :D

The SOG Toolclip should be added to the list though :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: barrytool on June 28, 2010, 02:53:46 PM
Just bought the True Utility Skeleton Knife Pro < link removed >

I know it fits in legally with blade length but the idea of the lock seems a little hazy with regards to the mechanism they use?

Can anyone help? Don't want to carry it around if it doesn't tie in with the law really.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on June 28, 2010, 03:04:16 PM
Looks like a frame lock and illegal to carry without good reason mate  :salute:




[edit]safe to say if it locks it's illegal carry regardless of lock mechanism used :tu:


[edit] Also in a court of law a lock knife is regarded as a fixed blade,hope that helps a little  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: barrytool on June 28, 2010, 03:10:02 PM
Yee that's what I thought, shame as it's so nice will have to use it for small jobs in the house.

thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on July 25, 2010, 01:35:21 AM
Spyderco UKPK is no longer legal it seems.

http://www.spyderco.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44287

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Hi guys just wanted to say hi and to moan.

I like the rest of you have been waiting ages for the new ukpk lightweight. I ordered mine last week its now been seized by UK customs as a gravity knife. I've sent a letter off today I'm hoping to have it within a few weeks fingers crossed. But just my luck I've been waiting for this knife for ages and now I have to wait some more.

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ok the uuk boarder agency are not going to restore my knife to me they are going to distroy it on the grounds that its a gravity knife...

I have head the back springs are weak but are they that weak that the blades can be flicked out... I'm not the only one some one else has had a ukpk frn seized by customs.

considering this knife is designed with is brits in mind I think the spyder crew should look in to it
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2010, 01:56:26 AM
They've tried that before.  It needs pointed out to them that even their "creative" definition of what a gravity knife is requires that the knife locks open.  

From the The Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act (1959) http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?LegType=All+Primary&PageNumber=70&NavFrom=2&parentActiveTextDocId=1127412&ActiveTextDocId=1127412&filesize=10041


(b)
any knife which has a blade which is released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force and which, when released, is locked in place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device, sometimes known as a “gravity knife”,


I believe this has been successfully argued with UK customs before.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on July 25, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
I agree Gareth - I think he'll get his knife back eventually, I certainly hope so anyway.

Spyderco UKPK is no longer legal it seems.

HM Customs don't make the law, they simply apply it. And not very well at times it seems  ::)

It does sound as though the new FRN UKPKs are a bit sloppy though from some of those comments. It's nigh on impossible to open my G10 UKPK using "the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force". The backspring is SAK-like.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on July 25, 2010, 05:14:35 AM
Grrrr  :rant:

Ruddy knife fascists. Well, I guess I'll be able to tell you if the one I ordered makes it in to my hands soon enough  ::)

I've had something seized before and this time I doubt I'd be letting it go without a fight.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on July 25, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
 We're assuming that they test every knife that passes through. I would be easy to just see a sperderco hole and reject it as all the other like that fail.

It's bad enough that it's been incorrectly seized, but it's the hard work involved in getting it sorted out that would drive me mad.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on July 27, 2010, 03:56:18 PM
I would love to see them flick this out it would send Mr Vickery into a sweating frenzy and he would fail  :rofl:

Maybe the UKPK needs a back spring like the DOUK DOUK  ;)

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/titan1833/tas/005-15.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AddictedToTools on August 05, 2010, 06:38:54 PM
Is the Swisscard UK legal? Because technically it's a sheath knife, but it seems so small and innocent...  :cry:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on August 05, 2010, 09:11:27 PM
To the letter of the law, no.  Its classed as a fixed blade.  In the real world I'm not aware of anyone ever having received even the slightest bit of grief for having one though :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on August 05, 2010, 09:24:50 PM


HM Customs don't make the law, they simply apply it. And not very well at times it seems  ::)


Ah but it doesn't matter what's written in the law, only how it's interpreted.

I'm sure whoever wrote the fixed bladed law didn't anticipate how one retard judge and scumbag lawyer can turn it into something completely different. And the guy wrote gravity knife law here didn't expect it to be applied to regular folder with loose pivot.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: DaveK on August 05, 2010, 10:39:47 PM
Oh for sure :)

Just reminded me actually - these lightweight UKPKs are now in stock in the UK of people want them without running the gauntlet!

http://www.handyniknaks.co.uk/spyderco-knives-uk-penknife-frn-drop-point-c94frn3-grey-3245-p.asp

That's about half the price of the regular UKPK :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: cerbera147 on August 06, 2010, 02:38:58 PM
My Lightweight UKPK arrived this morning with usual lightning quick speed from Heinnies  :tu:

More here http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,21823.0.html

(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/cerbera147/EDC%20Setup/Multitools/Knives/S1051504.jpg)
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/cerbera147/EDC%20Setup/Multitools/Knives/S1051502.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on August 06, 2010, 08:35:56 PM
Looks good Dan..  8)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on September 07, 2010, 09:10:48 PM
Three UK EDC's I've been using ...

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF2820.jpg)

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF2822.jpg)

Top UKPK carbon fibre (not a spyderco made, rescaled)
Middle a SRM little slipjoint,
Bottom a spyderco bug
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 09:13:40 PM
Nice Mark  ;)  that SRM looks particularly NICE!  :drool:  :gimme:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on September 07, 2010, 09:17:28 PM
That's a very professional looking set of CF scales there.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on September 07, 2010, 09:37:59 PM
Nice Mark  ;)  that SRM looks particularly NICE!  :drool:  :gimme:

What this one
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF2823.jpg)

Cheap as chips too!  If you want me to keep an eye out for one, drop me a PM,  I know a man that imports them over at BB.

That's a very professional looking set of CF scales there.

They were machined on a CNC minimill in the US by a CPF member, but he appears to have stopped making them now. Mine were the first he made.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 09:52:08 PM
Nice Mark  ;)  that SRM looks particularly NICE!  :drool:  :gimme:

What this one
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF2823.jpg)

Cheap as chips too!  If you want me to keep an eye out for one, drop me a PM,  I know a man that imports them over at BB.






Yes the one  :tu: I have to have it  :gimme:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 10:01:28 PM
@Mark I want it,I WANT IT and I WILL GET IT  :twak:  :gimme:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on September 07, 2010, 10:29:30 PM
@Mark Cheap as chips too?  :think:

ok I'll bid a bag of chips  :salute:  :D
 :gimme: :gimme: :gimme: or I'll tell everyone you a potato man  :pok:  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on September 20, 2010, 07:37:45 PM
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on September 20, 2010, 07:39:38 PM
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768
Bit nice that one :drool:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: cerbera147 on September 20, 2010, 07:46:26 PM
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768

I just want it so I can publicly play with my Cox  ;) (http://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/nanadance.gif)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on September 20, 2010, 08:32:42 PM
Silly price, but I quite like this http://heinnie.com/product.asp?strParents=&CAT_ID=0&P_ID=5768

I just want it so I can publicly play with my Cox  ;) (http://forum.multitool.org/Smileys/default/nanadance.gif)

It seems the other one in that range is called a Haddock - what exactly are Boker up to then?  >:D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: John on September 20, 2010, 08:33:15 PM
You cannot carry the "cox" in public  :ahhh it'll get you into trouble right away  ::)

"Hello" "3 times"  ::) "what is that in your hand"


err  :think: "it's only my cox officer"  :ahhh  :rofl:  :_c: :police:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AHB on September 25, 2010, 01:30:58 PM
Since Sebenzas are off limit, I'm definitely gonna need a Boker Cox.. :drool:

Time to save my money for one, I guess.  :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on October 25, 2010, 10:25:39 PM
CF UKPK is out, under $100 in one store even.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on October 25, 2010, 10:26:15 PM
That'll be one sweet knife  :gimme:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gadget Guy on December 01, 2010, 06:48:54 PM
Wow!!!  :o  :o

UK Knife Laws and Possesion. The FACTS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUFlSKwQNY#)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on December 01, 2010, 07:03:57 PM
There's a good reason I only carry sak's :D

While broadly true, you've got to be being a idiot to draw that kind of attention, and then your really asking for it anyway aren't you :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 01, 2010, 07:20:23 PM

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.  Re the offensive weapons act, yes they can arrest you for carrying just about anything that might be used as a weapon, but the onus is on them to prove their case, not on you to defend it.

He does make a good case for the way the law is being applied though, i.e. a handy one to tack onto other charges. 

All-in-all I'll keep carrying my SAKs and non-locking multi's in confidence. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: cerbera147 on December 01, 2010, 07:37:21 PM
I am a little confused as to why a guy from New Zealand is making a video about UK knife law  :think:

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.

I agree with Gareth; less than 3" and non locking is absolutely fine even if stopped for something unrelated. Obviously The Offensive Weapons Act adds a different angle to that but normal day to day you'll be fine.

The other thing that annoyed me was when he spoke about how they measure it. The law is pretty black and white and if the cutting edge is less than 3" then you are legal :D

I wonder how many stabbing cases there are involving expensive Spyderco's, Sebenza's, etc. I would imagine most are common kitchen knives and probably even the humble Stanley knife mentioned in the video.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gadget Guy on December 01, 2010, 07:54:34 PM
I am a little confused as to why a guy from New Zealand is making a video about UK knife law  :think:

I'll make this point right now.  You DON'T need an excuse/specific reason to carry a sub 3" non-locking knife, WHATEVER the nice WPC told the guy.

I agree with Gareth; less than 3" and non locking is absolutely fine even if stopped for something unrelated. Obviously The Offensive Weapons Act adds a different angle to that but normal day to day you'll be fine.

The other thing that annoyed me was when he spoke about how they measure it. The law is pretty black and white and if the cutting edge is less than 3" then you are legal :D

I wonder how many stabbing cases there are involving expensive Spyderco's, Sebenza's, etc. I would imagine most are common kitchen knives and probably even the humble Stanley knife mentioned in the video.

He's a knifemaker trying to sell his knives in the UK.  Dan, the next day or two for sure my friend! I just haven't been able to get home.  :-[  I'll make it up to you...   :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 04, 2011, 12:35:28 PM
and oddly although not carried unless at the bottom of my backpack these 2 bryd's i have are a good example, the meadowlark is smaller than 3inch's but locks, so does the littele finch but if stabbed what one is more dangerouse out of these 2 blades  :-\  the rescue blade is not a stabbig shape and the finch is, but both ilegal due to stupid lock blade law, the lock blade i think is the best idea for a knife as makes it safe, we are living in the ark here  :-\

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m279/zed2000/P1010136.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: craigy on February 04, 2011, 05:36:15 PM
Wow!!!  :o  :o

UK Knife Laws and Possesion. The FACTS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BUFlSKwQNY#)

thats a good interpretation of the law.i now have a classic on my keys and my core in my toolbox at work thus selling alot of my others bar my victorinox climber and 2 sideclips which id sell also and have the 3 2 vics and the leatherman.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on February 04, 2011, 06:12:26 PM
OT: What's with the strange accent? Welsh or something?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on February 09, 2011, 05:54:02 PM
OT: What's with the strange accent? Welsh or something?

I believe he is from New Zealand .
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 16, 2011, 07:03:57 AM
are Svord Peasant Knife  uk legal, no locking as such , 3inch blade, there pretty cheap as if the mechanism is legal but blade a little too long i might shorten one  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Sparky415 on February 16, 2011, 10:21:50 AM
They are a little over 3'' Mate but they can be shortened  :tu:

 :oops: I didn't answer your question, yes I think they are legal if shortened
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on February 16, 2011, 10:53:58 AM
<voice of doom>

However, if it went to court I wouldn't fancy my chances.  Remember the reason we can not carry locking blades in the UK without reasonable cause (or lawful authority... I add this before the pedants have a go ;) ) is that it was successfully argued in court that a folding blade when locked becomes a fixed blade.  Well, when you hold an opened Peasant knife it effectively becomes a fixed blade. 

So technically its a non-locking folder and if the blade were shortened you could argue that its suitable for casual carry but I'm guessing that you'd end up in the magistrates court the next day.  Who wants to be the test case? :P ;)

</voice of doom>
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 16, 2011, 11:22:52 AM
<voice of doom>

However, if it went to court I wouldn't fancy my chances.  Remember the reason we can not carry locking blades in the UK without reasonable cause (or lawful authority... I add this before the pedants have a go ;) ) is that it was successfully argued in court that a folding blade when locked becomes a fixed blade.  Well, when you hold an opened Peasant knife it effectively becomes a fixed blade. 

So technically its a non-locking folder and if the blade were shortened you could argue that its suitable for casual carry but I'm guessing that you'd end up in the magistrates court the next day.  Who wants to be the test case? :P ;)

</voice of doom>

thanks tony,

ok voice of doom  >:D  :rofl:  yeah i feel this way neil for me this would be a knife i would keep in my backpack while on 2-3 day hikes, so hopefullly i would never be asked to open my bag plus i would need it for a reason,  :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Sparky415 on February 16, 2011, 01:23:54 PM

The voice of doom is right  :tu: but if want me to shorten yours I'm happy to chop a bit off the end for you  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 16, 2011, 05:22:14 PM

The voice of doom is right  :tu: but if want me to shorten yours I'm happy to chop a bit off the end for you  :salute:

i might hold you to this tony  :D although not got one yet,  :-\  i should have one in a few weeks so ill get back to you, im going to mod the wood grips as well  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Sparky415 on February 16, 2011, 06:01:42 PM
They are lovely to work on, just held together with two screws and a pin,
take out the two screws and push the 'nut' bits out then wiggle and pull the scales apart
(use a screwdriver that fits well as the screws are very soft and its easy to ruin the head)  :cheers:

(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n184/sparky_415/stuff/291010032.jpg)

picture added  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on February 16, 2011, 06:10:57 PM
They are lovely to work on, just held together with two screws and a pin,
take out the two screws and push the 'nut' bits out then wiggle and pull the scales apart
(use a screwdriver that fits well as the screws are very soft and its easy to ruin the head)  :cheers:

cheers tony for the advice, im going to bolt the grips together and round the edges off and remove the varnish, plus make finger grooves,  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: cerbera147 on April 17, 2011, 06:11:04 PM
Think this post is valid here as well  :tu:

There is a really interesting thread in progress on BB. It has a copy of the actual letter they send out.

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?124625-Spyderco-C101GP2-manix-2-g-10 (http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread.php?124625-Spyderco-C101GP2-manix-2-g-10)

The OP ordered the Spyderco Manix 2 and got the CRKT as a freebie.

They have classed the Manix 2 as Gravity Knife  :think:
Spyderco Manix 2
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41S3SXNO-7L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)


And the CRKT as a Flick Knife  :think:
CRKT M16-10KZ
(http://www.sexyweapon.com/v/vspfiles/photos/CR%20M16-10KZ-2T.jpg)

Both are available to buy in the UK  ::)

It would appear that 'if you make a claim, legal proceedings in a Magistrates Court will be taken for condemnation of the items'  :-\

I wish someone would stand up to these bully boys but can understand why no one has. Who would risk it?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Craig on November 20, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
Can we add the Leatherman Styles to the list please?

Got my Style PS from Travis yesterday and I think it's great  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 20, 2011, 02:16:46 PM
Can we add the Leatherman Styles to the list please?

Got my Style PS from Travis yesterday and I think it's great  :D
A good reminder mate, cheers. :tu:  So I've added the Styles and updated a few links.  Also added a few Spyderco's to the list but I know there is more to do.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 20, 2011, 06:53:48 PM
OK I've now simplified the Spyderco section. :)  I'm sure there are many other knives that should be on the list, if anyone thinks of some then please give me a shout.  If you can dig out a link from the maker's website that would be great too.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on November 20, 2011, 07:46:18 PM
Boker 42 are all non locking and UK legal

Boker Plus Trance 42
Boker Plus Subcom 42
Boker Plus Knives: Subcom 42 Pink 

Edit - Link to HH 

http://www.heinnie.com/search.asp?strKeywords=boker+42&submit=Search (http://www.heinnie.com/search.asp?strKeywords=boker+42&submit=Search)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 20, 2011, 07:46:37 PM
Off the top ...

SanRenMu H02
Opinel 2 to 5
CRKT KISS ... not sure of exact name, but there is a slip joint variation
EKA 90 and President

There appear to be some discontinued items in the multitools. Any reason why the Wenger Minigrip isn't there  :think:

and EVENTUALLY (fingers crossed) there might be a Byrd Tern to add to the list  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 20, 2011, 08:29:46 PM
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :)  I'm going to work on the rest later.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: enki_ck on November 20, 2011, 08:55:18 PM

and EVENTUALLY (fingers crossed) there might be a Byrd Tern to add to the list  ::)

It's in stock! Finally. Just checked it.

http://www.bladehq.com/item--Byrd-Tern-Folding-Pocket-Knife--9133 (http://www.bladehq.com/item--Byrd-Tern-Folding-Pocket-Knife--9133)
http://www.knifecenter.com/item/SPBY23GP/spyderco-by23gp-byrd-tern-folding-knife (http://www.knifecenter.com/item/SPBY23GP/spyderco-by23gp-byrd-tern-folding-knife)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 20, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
Excfellent!! Hopefully handyniknaks.co.uk shouldn't be far behind
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 20, 2011, 09:16:06 PM
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :)  I'm going to work on the rest later.

Nice one  :tu: That list has helped me in out choosing tools a few times now  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Benner on November 20, 2011, 10:22:24 PM
Its good to see that this thread is still going  :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on November 20, 2011, 10:54:43 PM
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :)  I'm going to work on the rest later.

You forgot the Pink subcom 42    :D   

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 20, 2011, 11:53:35 PM
OK I've added the Boker Subcom and Trance 42 plus the CRKT Slip KISS and Slip KISS 2. :)  I'm going to work on the rest later.

You forgot the Pink subcom 42    :D
I wasn't going to bother with colour variations but it can go in if folks want. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 21, 2011, 12:12:29 AM
OK, I think that's all the links now working. :)  Anything else folks want added just post here and I'll add it to the list, if it passes the obvious criteria of course. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: badwolf on December 18, 2011, 12:21:02 AM
What about this, just in here SOG-Knives-Contractor-II (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/SOG-UK-Legal-Knives/SOG-Knives-Contractor-II/p-92-641-684-7329/) :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 18, 2011, 12:44:17 AM
What about this, just in here SOG-Knives-Contractor-II (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/SOG-UK-Legal-Knives/SOG-Knives-Contractor-II/p-92-641-684-7329/) :tu:
done.  Plus the Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N (http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N)

 :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: 5hif7y on December 27, 2011, 02:26:24 AM
What about this, just in here SOG-Knives-Contractor-II (http://www.heinnie.com/Knives/-UK-Legal-Carry-Knives/SOG-UK-Legal-Knives/SOG-Knives-Contractor-II/p-92-641-684-7329/) :tu:
done.  Plus the Gerber Pocket Tool - http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N (http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Tools/Pocket-Tool_31-001050N)

 :cheers:

does anyone have the pocket tool yet? im unsure to if i like it or not, and would like to know what people think of it ?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Sazabi on May 20, 2012, 09:52:56 PM
I don't feel like looking through 35 pages, but would the Coleman Pro-Lock count?  Despite the name, I just looked at mine and realized the blades don't lock.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on May 20, 2012, 10:12:14 PM
It appears the Pro-lock is perfectly fine  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on June 07, 2012, 09:50:05 PM
Cheap and cheerful - EKA Compact Folder - http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/)

Cheap (ish) and soooo cool Boker Plus  Nano 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/)

I've a nano on pre order   :D
Title: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 07, 2012, 09:56:49 PM
The EKA is a cracking wee knife :)

Seriously tempted by that Boker though!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on June 07, 2012, 10:09:58 PM
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 07, 2012, 10:11:55 PM
Cheap and cheerful - EKA Compact Folder - http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Compact-Folder/p--8424/)

Cheap (ish) and soooo cool Boker Plus  Nano 42 - http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/ (http://www.heinnie.com/Nano-42/p--8405/)

I've a nano on pre order   :D
happy to say the EKA Compact was already on the list :D (and it really is a good knife, especially at under £15).  Boker Nano now added. :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 07, 2012, 10:14:08 PM
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock  :think:
the non-locking 'Sub-com' has the same look so I'm not too worried.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on June 07, 2012, 10:25:36 PM
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock  :think:

Confused ?  It's a framelock type design but it extends to run next to the back of the blade/pivot radius and uses a ball indent to cause a slipjoint type action. Make sense?

Same as the 42 subcom or trance, all UK legal.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on June 07, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
The Boker looks like it's got a frame lock  :think:
the non-locking 'Sub-com' has the same look so I'm not too worried.

Ahhh ... ok  :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 07, 2012, 10:46:04 PM
Not a smooth action if it's like my Subcom slippy though :-\

Perfectly functional though :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on June 10, 2012, 08:23:58 PM
That Boker looks cool.  I wonder is its "un-smooth" as the subcom slip joint though? 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on June 10, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
That Boker looks cool.  I wonder is its "un-smooth" as the subcom slip joint though?
I hope not, but it's not a deal breaker if it is, as you soon adapt to it :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on July 12, 2012, 08:46:07 AM
I've been using my 42 Nano all day yesterday. I love it, feels bigger in the hand than it should.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4668.jpg) (http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4669.jpg)
 
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4667.jpg) (http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4666.jpg)
 
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4665.jpg) (http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF4664.jpg)
 
With 42 Subcom, and squeak.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on July 12, 2012, 10:37:40 AM
Damn that looks great :drool:

It does look like a lot of knife for the money :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Neil on July 20, 2012, 11:58:41 PM
Nice pics :tu:  How smooth is it to open?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2012, 06:07:05 PM
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.

Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?

For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry?  I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.

Thanks!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 07, 2012, 06:15:18 PM
3" cutting edge, but if it "looks" big/bigger, be prepared to answer questions.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 07, 2012, 06:26:56 PM
Yeah, it does say "cutting edge" of no more than 3", but I'm always a little wary of carrying something with a blade that is more than 3" tip to bolster.

"(3) This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3
inches
."
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Syph007 on September 07, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Ok, so a good rule would be 3 inch max cutting edge, and a regular pocket knife look to it so it's not scary... I think I get it.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 07, 2012, 06:36:29 PM
I have had someone try and convince me that carrying a folding knife with a 6" long blade, but only the front 3" being sharp would be OK.  Technically he might be right, but I think he would have a hard time convincing a Police Officer of that in the middle of the street. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: jzmtl on November 24, 2012, 02:54:43 AM
Looks like Spyderco just came out with a UK friendly Dragonfly (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=789)!

























*Runs away before rotten tomatos start flying*
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 24, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
 :pommel:

 :P
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on November 24, 2012, 10:51:23 AM
I got all excited then! :P

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 24, 2012, 11:00:22 AM
I got all excited then! :P

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
So did I. ::)  I'll just have to stick with my Byrd Tern. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on November 24, 2012, 01:10:56 PM
Looks like Spyderco just came out with a UK friendly Dragonfly (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=789)!


*Runs away before rotten tomatos start flying*


Nope they didn't, that knife still locks!!  NFG !
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: enki_ck on November 24, 2012, 02:46:58 PM
Looks like Spyderco just came out with a UK friendly Dragonfly (http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=789)!

*Runs away before rotten tomatos start flying*

CRKT did it years ago. Their idea. Nice to see Spyderco copying designs of others at a higher price. (http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh627/enki_ck/Smiley/sofa.gif)

http://www.crkt.com/1032 (http://www.crkt.com/1032)



Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 24, 2012, 03:55:05 PM
:(

Big tease...

Just to add something on topic, I recently picked up a Ti UKPK and I have to say it's a bloody awesome knife.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on November 24, 2012, 06:15:14 PM
:(

Big tease...

Just to add something on topic, I recently picked up a Ti UKPK and I have to say it's a bloody awesome knife.

Have you considered have some custom Ano done on it? That nice large flat area of Ti could be made to look very special.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on November 24, 2012, 07:01:52 PM
I might shorten the blades on both my gaks so I could edc them  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 24, 2012, 07:02:59 PM
:(

Big tease...

Just to add something on topic, I recently picked up a Ti UKPK and I have to say it's a bloody awesome knife.

Have you considered have some custom Ano done on it? That nice large flat area of Ti could be made to look very special.

Hmm... not really. I actually love the plain Ti thing. It wears well and matches my handbags and shoes :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on November 25, 2012, 10:49:57 AM
Hmm... not really. I actually love the plain Ti thing. It wears well and matches my handbags and shoes :D


Ah wait I ment to include a link - http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing)

Matt who does the work is based in the UK. I know he's done a Ti UKPK as I've seen photos somewhere, might have been on USN.

The multi colour splash patterns he can make are unreal. But yes not to everyones taste.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 25, 2012, 11:48:14 AM
Hmm... not really. I actually love the plain Ti thing. It wears well and matches my handbags and shoes :D


Ah wait I ment to include a link - http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing (http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?332371-Titanium-Anodizing)

Matt who does the work is based in the UK. I know he's done a Ti UKPK as I've seen photos somewhere, might have been on USN.

The multi colour splash patterns he can make are unreal. But yes not to everyones taste.
great stuff. :tu:  I especially like the Sunwayman's with the coloured ring. :drool:
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x238/matbuck29/IMG_3658.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 25, 2012, 11:37:12 PM
I quite like anodising on some things, but doesn't it wear off?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on November 25, 2012, 11:39:32 PM
Must add, his work is bloody good! :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on November 28, 2012, 04:48:53 PM
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.

Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?

For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry?  I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.

Thanks!


Sounds is a gak iligal then   :think: cutting edge under 3 inches
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on December 06, 2012, 01:52:05 PM
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.

Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?

For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry?  I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.

Thanks!


Sounds is a gak iligal then   :think: cutting edge under 3 inches

Im thinking about finnaly doing my Gak mod as jeff kindly sent me a pliers version recently and its perfect with work as a edc for me but not sure if i need to grind the blade down a bit as cutting edge under 3inches but over 3 from tang to tip  :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 06, 2012, 02:19:26 PM
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.

Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?

For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry?  I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.

Thanks!


Sounds is a gak iligal then   :think: cutting edge under 3 inches

Im thinking about finnaly doing my Gak mod as jeff kindly sent me a pliers version recently and its perfect with work as a edc for me but not sure if i need to grind the blade down a bit as cutting edge under 3inches but over 3 from tang to tip  :think:

If cutting edge is less than 3" it's technically fine  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Zed on December 06, 2012, 02:35:55 PM
I figured this thread would be the appropriate place to ask.

Ok, when it says 3 inches or less for blade length for legal carry in a folder, is that sharpened edge part or total steel length or from the pivot?

For example is a 108mm SAK too long for legal carry?  I want to create a custom MT pocket knife in the future but I want to design it to be legal to carry in most of the world, so Im just thinking ahead about the max blade size I can have.

Thanks!


Sounds is a gak iligal then   :think: cutting edge under 3 inches

Im thinking about finnaly doing my Gak mod as jeff kindly sent me a pliers version recently and its perfect with work as a edc for me but not sure if i need to grind the blade down a bit as cutting edge under 3inches but over 3 from tang to tip  :think:

If cutting edge is less than 3" it's technically fine  :tu:

cheers Al  :salute: its a tad under edge wise  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on March 31, 2013, 05:35:40 PM
A little bump to add the Gerber Dime and Gerber Balance  ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on March 31, 2013, 07:35:14 PM
I saw this at Heinnie's the other day:

http://www.heinnie.com/Liong-Mah-Folder/p--10175/

Nice price, good reviews :tu:

Doesn't look like the clip is ambidextrous so I probably won't be picking one up.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on March 31, 2013, 08:16:20 PM
I saw this at Heinnie's the other day:

http://www.heinnie.com/Liong-Mah-Folder/p--10175/

Nice price, good reviews :tu:

Doesn't look like the clip is ambidextrous so I probably won't be picking one up.


Oh I like!!  As for the clip, look at the photos on this website http://www.osograndeknives.com/store/index.php?l=product_detail&p=24777

shows that it can be left or right. The photo on HH uses the lanyard to hide the holes!

Edit - No I'm confused, photos are showing two knives, not the same. Might be worth a phone call to HH?

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on March 31, 2013, 08:55:22 PM
Hmm... :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on March 31, 2013, 11:02:42 PM
Well, links added anyway.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on March 31, 2013, 11:15:20 PM
Thanks Gareth ... but ... errrmmm ......

 :oops: I forgot to mention Gerber Steady too  :-[
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on March 31, 2013, 11:20:41 PM
Thanks Gareth ... but ... errrmmm ......

 :oops: I forgot to mention Gerber Steady too  :-[
is the steady non-locking?  Oops, I hadn't clocked that. :-[  hang on a sec......



.............done. :whistle:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on April 01, 2013, 12:50:14 AM
Thank you kind sir  :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kungaryfu on April 01, 2013, 02:35:54 AM
Hi ive only read a couple of pages of this thread but has the svord peasent mini been added?
http://www.heinnie.com/product.asp?P_ID=9631
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on April 01, 2013, 02:54:03 AM
It hasn't, but I'm also not certain it should be either. :-\  That it is a non-locking knife, i.e no mechanical device to disengage, I don't dispute.  BUT the fact that cannot fold whilst held in your hand does give me pause as to how a Judge might view it TBH.

As I've said before, I'm no lawyer, but as I do have these doubts I'm not going to give my (frankly worthless) approval as a legal/trouble free UK EDC.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: nuphoria on April 24, 2013, 04:15:34 PM
New one from SOG. Not sure about the dust collecting cutouts!

http://www.heinnie.com/Sliptron-Stainless/p--10314/
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on April 24, 2013, 07:19:21 PM
New one from SOG. Not sure about the dust collecting cutouts!

http://www.heinnie.com/Sliptron-Stainless/p--10314/
interesting.  Ugly, but interesting. ;)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: enki_ck on April 24, 2013, 08:12:32 PM
Too stabbie looking for me. :shrug:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on April 25, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
SRM M1. Non locking, works by hidden ball indents.

Fantastic quality for a budget knife.

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5109_zpse9ceaaac.jpg) (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/essexman/media/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5109_zpse9ceaaac.jpg.html)

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5108_zpscf23c9bd.jpg) (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/essexman/media/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5108_zpscf23c9bd.jpg.html)

(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t212/essexman/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5105_zps5f5d7e89.jpg) (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/essexman/media/Knife%20stuff/DSCF5105_zps5f5d7e89.jpg.html)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: achindoon on September 03, 2014, 02:15:37 AM
As far as i understand the British knife law, the FOX ANSØ ZERO (http://www.foxcutlery.com/n/en/product/584/zero_by_anso_design.html) is also a UK-legal knife.  ;)
This Youtube video also shows the mechanism of the knife: http://youtu.be/wDT8l4uOfkU
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on September 03, 2014, 09:28:12 AM
As far as i understand the British knife law, the FOX ANSØ ZERO (http://www.foxcutlery.com/n/en/product/584/zero_by_anso_design.html) is also a UK-legal knife.  ;)
This Youtube video also shows the mechanism of the knife: http://youtu.be/wDT8l4uOfkU

According to this
http://www.heinnie.com/fox-anso-zero
It's a locking knife :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 27, 2014, 02:14:36 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on September 27, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on September 27, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh

Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe  :rofl:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 27, 2014, 09:41:52 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh

Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe  :rofl:

Sounds about right. :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 27, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh

This was some legislation brought in to control the sales of mass produced katana and the like, but ended up covering anything curved with a longer blade, sabres and the like.  So unless you are part of a Martial Arts or Reenactor group you really shouldn't own one.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: enki_ck on September 27, 2014, 09:52:24 PM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh

Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe  :rofl:

Sounds about right. :D
I'd love to see those one day. :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on September 28, 2014, 12:09:13 AM
While having a chat in another topic I realised that some of our UK members might not be aware of a change made to the 1988 Criminal Justice Act in 2008.

Here is as good a break down as I can find.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds.../10000000006500890/g.html (http://www.ebay.co.uk/gds/New-UK-Sword-Legislation-FAQ-/10000000006500890/g.html)

This Law was indeed passed and came into effect in England, Wales and Northern Ireland only.

http://www.legislation.go...08/2039/introduction/made (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2039/introduction/made)

So watch out for any curved blades that are in excess of 50cm (roughly 19 1\2").  A "good reason" is no longer enough for folks outside of Scotland. :-\

Have you been EDCing a curved Sword with a blade longer than 50CM !  :ahhh

Hey Gareth is Scottish and regularly EDC's a Claymore, Longbow and a two handed thowing axe  :rofl:

Sounds about right. :D
I'd love to see those one day. :pok:

Well, the longbow has been documented before. ;)

(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/gareth_SAKs/Shooting-1.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2015, 12:46:16 PM
OK folks, I've a challenge for you.  This thread is a good resource for the UK members (and others) who wish to have "reason free" EDC pocket knives.  The thing is; it's a rapidly expanding market, which is good, but it also means this thread needs to be updated if it want to stay current. 

So, if I can ask you good people to help keep me informed with new knives (or old ones we've missed out), then I'll keep the OP list up to date.  If you can provide links from the manufacturer rather than a retailer, that would also be excellent. :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on May 16, 2015, 01:12:13 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/29/545316329d50b038c2c5adf95c8ef999.jpg)

Fantoni Dweller http://www.heinnie.com/fantoni-dweller

My favorite 'posh' knife  :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2015, 01:38:55 PM
Added to the list. :tu:


I've also added the CRKT Journeyer - http://www.crkt.com/journeyer-folding-knife?srch_pid=714&child=714&search_id=1132996  New one from Liong Mah.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: dks on May 16, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
There are, as mentioned in the 1st post, which is all I read, various traditional style knives that fit.

e.g. New/old Schrade, GEC, Queen, Colt and many already mentioned there.

Also the Lansky world knife I think and some Gerber BG folding knives
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2015, 03:34:20 PM
There really are too many traditional folders to list them ALL! :D  However I might be persuaded to put together a list of makers to look out for.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hiraethus on May 16, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Enzo PK70: https://www.brisa.fi/portal/index.php?option=com_oscommerce&osMod=index&cPath=119_316
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 16, 2015, 06:52:31 PM
Guess we need to and the Spyderco Roadie too

http://www.heinnie.com/spyderco-roadie
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2015, 07:25:20 PM
Guess we need to and the Spyderco Roadie too

http://www.heinnie.com/spyderco-roadie

You'll already find the Roadie if you follow the Spyrderco links. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 16, 2015, 07:42:22 PM
Guess we need to and the Spyderco Roadie too

http://www.heinnie.com/spyderco-roadie

You'll already find the Roadie if you follow the Spyrderco links. :)

 :doh:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 29, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Hi Guys,

I'm going to be spending some time in the UK in the next few months, and I've got a few questions - mods, i didn't want to start a new thread as there's already a few on UK legal EDC, but if you want i can.

ok, here goes - this thread started a long time ago (2008 ??) well before my time here . . . i assume that there's been no real change to the laws, hence my (new) Wave is still not legal ?
Also, i assume that my 12 yr olds Leap is illegal too as the blade locks ?

I usually carry a squirt P4, great little tool and from what i've read here 100% legal (right ?)

But I want something a bit bigger when I am in the UK - I'm a leatherman fan and thinking of one of the juices (probably S2) and leaving my beloved wave at home . . . Do the new ones lock ? The list at the start still lists them, but i think i read somewhere the new juices are locking ? Or did i imagine it ?
TBH, the jucie doesn't really do it for me, but i want a legal MT and it should cover most of what I need i think.

I'm also curious, can a police officer in the UK stop and search anyone they feel like ? Or can you refuse ? Just wondering what would lead to someone carrying something like a wave been searched if they're just going about their business ?

thanks guys :)

eamo





Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 30, 2015, 01:13:38 AM
Hi Guys,

I'm going to be spending some time in the UK in the next few months, and I've got a few questions - mods, i didn't want to start a new thread as there's already a few on UK legal EDC, but if you want i can.

ok, here goes - this thread started a long time ago (2008 ??) well before my time here . . . i assume that there's been no real change to the laws, hence my (new) Wave is still not legal ?
Also, i assume that my 12 yr olds Leap is illegal too as the blade locks ?

I usually carry a squirt P4, great little tool and from what i've read here 100% legal (right ?)

But I want something a bit bigger when I am in the UK - I'm a leatherman fan and thinking of one of the juices (probably S2) and leaving my beloved wave at home . . . Do the new ones lock ? The list at the start still lists them, but i think i read somewhere the new juices are locking ? Or did i imagine it ?
TBH, the jucie doesn't really do it for me, but i want a legal MT and it should cover most of what I need i think.

I'm also curious, can a police officer in the UK stop and search anyone they feel like ? Or can you refuse ? Just wondering what would lead to someone carrying something like a wave been searched if they're just going about their business ?

thanks guys :)

eamo

Way to re-open the can of worms Eamo ;)

If my understanding is correct....

Any non-locking knife with a cutting edge of under three inches is deemed to be a pen knife,and legal as long as it is not used in a threatening manner. If,however,your in a bar or nightclub,that can change.

Locking or fixed blades are legal,as long as you have good reason to be carrying it(say a builder or handyman) The grey area may be on the way to or from the area of use.

Then again,you have the TaxiDad Principle: if the police want to cause you a problem,they'll find something

As to stop and search...as far as I know,the police have the right to do this if the believe there are reasonable grounds. In London,something like 70% of stop and searches are on folks under 25 and of a non European ethnic group(PC enough?)

My own experiance talking to special constables is that if you don't fit a risky profile,your chances of issues drop dramatically.( or to quote what he said to me "you'll never need to worry")

So yes,Juices are technically fine,as are Gerber Balences. If your really concerned,mod a PST or a Gerber MPxxx,or a SOG
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 30, 2015, 01:20:03 AM
Yep what John said mate :)

Just carry your Juice or better yet a Farmer ;) and you'll be fine :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 11:44:40 AM
thanks guys for that, guess i need to invest in a Juice :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 11:47:26 AM
oh, and sorry for reopening that can of worms :D :D :D :D :D
afaik, here in ireland, it's based on intent rather then what you're carrying, but i have never looked into it tbh, i live in a rural area and have little fear of ever been questioned about carrying a wave.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 30, 2015, 11:49:52 AM
It's a stupid law conceived by stupid people, that only affects the honest, decent people sadly :(

Oh and you still need a Vic Farmer :D
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 12:08:24 PM
ok Mike, i'll look into the farmers :)

both my lads have vic hikers which they love, but i prefer leatherman kit myself - but i'll consider a farmer :)

my daughter has a leap which she loves and uses all the time, unfortunately, that seems to be UK illegal too which is a shame. TBH, even if we were camping/hiking (which we plan on doing a lot of) and had "fair cause" I just wouldn't bother letting her take the chance.
I think the chances of getting caught up in the system are very very small, but the consequences are life altering so it's just not worth the hassle.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 30, 2015, 12:50:14 PM
Sadly that's the problem over here. I love my Swisstool and Spirit but its just not worth the grief :(

All it takes is a bored copper and your down the price of the tool, or worst case out of a job ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 01:47:02 PM
losing your job would probably be down the least of worries, a caution or conviction would eliminate a lot of potential jobs, and more and more employers require police clearance certs. And as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, a caution doesn't actually specify the broader story behind it, just that someone possessed an "0ffensive" weapon.

so, very low risk V very high consequences, just not worth it and it sucks. But thats how it is i guess.

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mike, Lord of the Spammers! on May 30, 2015, 01:57:43 PM
Exactly mate and I work with SEN kids so I have to be purer than the driven snow ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Don Pablo on May 30, 2015, 03:55:19 PM
Nice to meet someone else from the Emerald Isle.


Even compared to the UK laws, the laws here are *******************!  :twak:  :whistle:

I don't dare taking my beloved Hiker out of the house, outside of a scout trip, for fear of the long arm of the law.
I am student age, and that makes it even worse.

Ah well. Make the best of a bad situation, that's what Macgyver would do.  :salute:



(Disclaimer: The star text above represents what you imagine it to represent. I did not use it to cover any "Bad words".  :rofl: )
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 05:18:25 PM
Pablo, going off topic (as usual) what are the laws here ?

ok, i wouldn't bring my wave into any of the towns near me, but where i live, well you rarely see a garda, even if you're looking for one :) so it's never bothered me - then again, i live in the arse end of sam maguire country :D :D :D

and, my lads are forbidden from taking their hikers/leap outside the house without express permission from me.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 05:52:25 PM
according to the leatherman site, the Juice SX has a locking blade - is this the same for the rest of the new juice series ?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 30, 2015, 06:07:35 PM
according to the leatherman site, the Juice SX has a locking blade - is this the same for the rest of the new juice series ?

News to me. Can't see where you'd fit a lock into a Juice!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 30, 2015, 06:40:38 PM
not saying i'm right - i done a comparison between the juice S2 and SX, and it came up there - i've attached a screenshot. I've never played with a juice before, so i honestly have no idea.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 30, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
not saying i'm right - i done a comparison between the juice S2 and SX, and it came up there - i've attached a screenshot. I've never played with a juice before, so i honestly have no idea.

Yeah...also just checked Leatherman.co.uk,they make no mention of it :think:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Don Pablo on May 30, 2015, 11:47:05 PM
Pablo, going off topic (as usual) what are the laws here ?

ok, i wouldn't bring my wave into any of the towns near me, but where i live, well you rarely see a garda, even if you're looking for one :) so it's never bothered me - then again, i live in the arse end of sam maguire country :D :D :D

and, my lads are forbidden from taking their hikers/leap outside the house without express permission from me.

Unfortunatly, knives and pointy objects of any description are ILLIEGAL to carry in public spaces in Ireland, period.

You need a good reason to carry them, like you need them for work, hunting, fishing, camping etc. Thats the kind of excuses you need to have them in a public space, and its not allowed, for example, to carry the knife into a shop on the way to camp. Or carry it at 2am.

It all depends on the guard. If he/she decides to let you off the hook after catching you with a knife, he/she can. Equally, he/she can arrest you. Its up to them.

A fuller explaination is below, with the law written out too:
http://www.bushcraft.ie/index.php/articles/58-knives-and-the-law

As you see, its much worse than even the UK.  :rofl:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 30, 2015, 11:56:19 PM
Pablo, going off topic (as usual) what are the laws here ?

ok, i wouldn't bring my wave into any of the towns near me, but where i live, well you rarely see a garda, even if you're looking for one :) so it's never bothered me - then again, i live in the arse end of sam maguire country :D :D :D

and, my lads are forbidden from taking their hikers/leap outside the house without express permission from me.

Unfortunatly, knives and pointy objects of any description are ILLIEGAL to carry in public spaces in Ireland, period.

You need a good reason to carry them, like you need them for work, hunting, fishing, camping etc. Thats the kind of excuses you need to have them in a public space, and its not allowed, for example, to carry the knife into a shop on the way to camp. Or carry it at 2am.

It all depends on the guard. If he/she decides to let you off the hook after catching you with a knife, he/she can. Equally, he/she can arrest you. Its up to them.

A fuller explaination is below, with the law written out too:
http://www.bushcraft.ie/index.php/articles/58-knives-and-the-law

As you see, its much worse than even the UK.  :rofl:

(Remember I'm from Norn Irn ;))

Now,that's the first time I've heard a reason from the Republic to keep the boarder!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Don Pablo on May 31, 2015, 12:07:51 AM
Indeed! Stay away!  >:D >:D
Hell down here for multi and SAK carriers.  :rofl:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 31, 2015, 12:08:47 AM
wow. so my precious wave is illegal here too. that sucks.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 31, 2015, 12:19:34 AM
Indeed! Stay away!  >:D >:D
Hell down here for multi and SAK carriers.  :rofl:

not just for SAK and multi carriers, but thats a whole different story.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Don Pablo on May 31, 2015, 12:23:42 AM
In the end, it's all down to Reason.
If you look and act like an upstanding citizen, and the knife in question is a Midnite Minichamp*, it is probably safe, within Reason.
Its a case of low risk-very bad consequences.
Unlikely that you get caught-possibly a fine (or jail AND a fine) if you be caught/seen by a guard.  :(

I would not be worried personally about carrying a Hiker/etc in the countryside. Not many people, let alone guards.  :rofl:
Its up to you though.

*Picked for this example because a Midnite Minichamp is possibly the least threating SAK in existence. Only 58mm long, but a ridiculous amount of layers and tools for its size(In a good way).
The deadly stabby blades are far far from prominent on it.  :rofl:
Bonus points if the scales are pink.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 31, 2015, 12:29:46 AM
yeah, i think the gardaí seem to still have a fair amount of discretion, something which seems to have been taken from police elsewhere from my reading of things. I'm not worried about getting into hassle because of my squirt or wave, as you say, reason/intent plays a large part here.
But I have very little experience of dealing with police anywhere i've lived, other then getting the odd form signed so what do i know ???

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Don Pablo on May 31, 2015, 12:35:18 AM
Yea. I don't have any experience with the Gardaí also, but there are stories of guards seeing SAK's in cars, etc and passing on with little comment.
A small few bad stories though, but thats to be expected.
"Just Be Reasonable", maybe that will be my motto.  :tu:
 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 31, 2015, 07:54:08 AM
Damon,getting back to the SX,that's the surf specific Juice. That picture/site you found is the only reference to a locking Juice I've found. As a heads up,Amazon.co.uk have old S2 for about £45 at the moment.

Have a look in the Mod Squad...Gareth,50ft-trad and myself,amongst others have modded a variety of tools to a Bladeless spec for full UK legality
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 31, 2015, 07:26:17 PM
Damon,getting back to the SX,that's the surf specific Juice. That picture/site you found is the only reference to a locking Juice I've found. As a heads up,Amazon.co.uk have old S2 for about £45 at the moment.

Have a look in the Mod Squad...Gareth,50ft-trad and myself,amongst others have modded a variety of tools to a Bladeless spec for full UK legality

thanks John for that, i guess i can proceed on the basis that the juices are non locking. i have a couple months before i have to buy anything, be the end of the summer before our travels. I find MT's are like a belt - i don't feel dressed without my belt, and at the very least my squirt P4 as well.
The thing regards modding is that i also want a blade, though it's not as used as the pliers or screwdrivers, but even so, having a knife is "normal" for me - i know society seems to differ.
I would like to go with Mikes suggestion and get a farmer (or any SAK) but funds are needed elsewhere, and I prefer just one tool.
Thank you, Mike and Pablo for all the advice :)
Be interesting to see how this thread plays out over the next few years.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 31, 2015, 07:52:41 PM
I hear you Eamo,I feel naked without a knife of some sort. I would never disagree with Mike LOS about getting a Farmer,but Spartans and Tinkers can be had for under £15 delivered.

Other option...what about a Delux Tinker?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on May 31, 2015, 08:26:23 PM
see the pliers on the vics are lightweight, same as my squirt. nothing wrong with them, my squirt gets a lot of use (not meaning to cause offence to anyone, i mean compared to my wave).
i have an old battered swisschamp thats been on a lot of trips with me, got a lot of use over the years, i've just gotten used to something beefier (i guess) like the wave. So, the vic and small leathermans are ruled out. My squirt covers that base.
I have time to play with my dilemma :)
Getting a seperate blade like the spartan does have an appeal though. I do like the hikers my lads have, very nice knife and covers everything needed except for the pliers.

I think at this stage i might be overthinking this ???   :-[

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on May 31, 2015, 10:16:29 PM
see the pliers on the vics are lightweight, same as my squirt. nothing wrong with them, my squirt gets a lot of use (not meaning to cause offence to anyone, i mean compared to my wave).
i have an old battered swisschamp thats been on a lot of trips with me, got a lot of use over the years, i've just gotten used to something beefier (i guess) like the wave. So, the vic and small leathermans are ruled out. My squirt covers that base.
I have time to play with my dilemma :)
Getting a seperate blade like the spartan does have an appeal though. I do like the hikers my lads have, very nice knife and covers everything needed except for the pliers.

I think at this stage i might be overthinking this ???   :-[

People on MTo overthinking mo or issues like what tool? Never! :rofl:

Seriously,you need a PST or PST2. Juices are ok,but they're a bit fiddly. PST chassis slips easily into the pocket,good tool load out,proper size pliers.

You know you want to :pok:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on June 01, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
yes, i know i want to, but must resist, have to resist . . . . . for a couple months anyway . . . .
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on November 23, 2015, 03:24:25 PM
so finally, as i have a UK trip coming up, i ordered a Juice C2 - i think it's the original pre 2014 version judging from the pics which i'd prefer but don't really care either way. happy days :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 23, 2015, 08:38:22 PM
Hope you like the Juice.  Definitely one of the more 'interesting' MTs out there IMO. 
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on November 24, 2015, 09:12:54 AM
Gareth, would that be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" or interesting as in "hey, thats a really cool interesting tool" ??? :D

it's not going to be my main MT, i just want to have something a bit bigger (and legal) then my squirt with me, in fact i'll leave it in the UK when i leave, for use when i'm over again during the summer (and as a tool for my host, who isn't into MT's despite my trying) - it should be with me today, hopefully.

I have a wave which i love, and a Squirt P4 which goes everywhere, for it's small size i think is a really really good little tool, bigtime. Probably my most used.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kirk13 on November 24, 2015, 10:08:14 AM
Gareth, would that be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" or interesting as in "hey, thats a really cool interesting tool" ??? :D

it's not going to be my main MT, i just want to have something a bit bigger (and legal) then my squirt with me, in fact i'll leave it in the UK when i leave, for use when i'm over again during the summer (and as a tool for my host, who isn't into MT's despite my trying) - it should be with me today, hopefully.

I have a wave which i love, and a Squirt P4 which goes everywhere, for it's small size i think is a really really good little tool, bigtime. Probably my most used.

We'll all be interested to hear what you think of the Juice :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on November 26, 2015, 12:07:05 PM
Gareth, would that be interesting as in "may you live in interesting times" or interesting as in "hey, thats a really cool interesting tool" ??? :D

it's not going to be my main MT, i just want to have something a bit bigger (and legal) then my squirt with me, in fact i'll leave it in the UK when i leave, for use when i'm over again during the summer (and as a tool for my host, who isn't into MT's despite my trying) - it should be with me today, hopefully.

I have a wave which i love, and a Squirt P4 which goes everywhere, for it's small size i think is a really really good little tool, bigtime. Probably my most used.

LOL.  That's "interesting" as in "interesting design ideas". :D  I have some issues with the design execution (hard to get out the screwdrivers for example), but it's still one of the few MTs that would fulfill your above criteria.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on November 26, 2015, 04:03:24 PM

LOL.  That's "interesting" as in "interesting design ideas". :D  I have some issues with the design execution (hard to get out the screwdrivers for example), but it's still one of the few MTs that would fulfill your above criteria.

ok, so i've had it a day - mostly only used the knife and played with the rest of the tools - yes i did manage to cut myself on the large flatblade screwdriver as it kind of came out with a bit of force because of the spring i guess, but the tools dont seem as stiff / difficult to get out as i've read with other juices. It is a pre 2014 model which seems better then the updated version, someone (I think Chako ?) done a great review a while back.

anyway, so far i'm happy :) i will be using it as my main MT until the middle of January so i might give a more detailed impression then.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 26, 2015, 11:06:27 PM

LOL.  That's "interesting" as in "interesting design ideas". :D  I have some issues with the design execution (hard to get out the screwdrivers for example), but it's still one of the few MTs that would fulfill your above criteria.

ok, so i've had it a day - mostly only used the knife and played with the rest of the tools - yes i did manage to cut myself on the large flatblade screwdriver as it kind of came out with a bit of force because of the spring i guess, but the tools dont seem as stiff / difficult to get out as i've read with other juices. It is a pre 2014 model which seems better then the updated version, someone (I think Chako ?) done a great review a while back.

anyway, so far i'm happy :) i will be using it as my main MT until the middle of January so i might give a more detailed impression then.

I look forward to your feedback  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: eamo on January 08, 2016, 12:04:27 AM
OK, so, as promised after about a month, my thoughts on my Juice - short version, I like it.

Longer version -

I got it purely for its UK legality. Fortunately, other then saying hello to the odd policeman/woman I met, usually when walking my dogs, I had no interaction with the police :)
I also left it at home when travelling into the city centre.

Finally, a caveat - i am nowhere as experienced as most of the people here, my MT "collection" can be counted on one hand.

I have a pre 2014 Juice.

Pros :
UK Legal
Nice tidy size
Nice blade size, I think slightly smaller then my young lads Hiker but roughly Vic sized which i like.
bottle opener good, doesnt slip
can opener usable, no problems
Knife / apple slicing - this was mentioned on another thread by 50ft - i found my Juice cut through cooked meat no problem, when preparing treats for my puppies. Apples, yeah, handled them too. I like my sliced apples :)

Cons :
Screwdrivers hard to open, and cut my thumb a few times. However, loosening up with use.
Bit light - I tried using it on heavier stuff, I had an incident where one of the puppies got on the wrong side of a barbed wire fence and my safest option was to cut the wire - no way the Juice was going to do it without straining it, my wave struggled so in the end i got a heavy pliers (this was before my trip).
Same with the philips head was doing some repairs and trying to drive selftapping screws into some wood, got 90% of the way but needed a heavier screwdriver to finish the job - I know, it's a small pocket tool, I just wanted to see what it could do.
The wire cutter wouldn't cut a plastic cable tie, only crushed it (tried my squirt same thing) but the blade made short work of it.

No workmanship issues, finish etc seems fine but i do lack experience in these things.

Thats really it, it done what I asked of it (within reason), which hasn't been a whole lot. I guess I life an uneventful life :)

I did bring it home, and bought a second one to leave in the UK :D :D :D




Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on January 08, 2016, 01:29:06 AM
Good to hear you're happy with it.  You're thoughts are pretty much in line with mine: not perfect, but still a useful MT. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: matty78943 on May 16, 2016, 09:27:02 PM
...
The Knifeless Fuse http://leatherman.com/multi-tools/full-size-tools/knifeless-fuse.aspx is a safe one as it has no saw or knife.

Does have a few pointy bits though :P

Neil

Very true that.

I wonder what would happen if I waved around a blade of grass a bit too vigourously?  :D


nah fam go round wielding a cucumber
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: matty78943 on May 16, 2016, 09:30:00 PM
also is any of the leatherman squirts UK Legal?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2016, 11:36:25 PM
also is any of the leatherman squirts UK Legal?

They are all non-locking and less than 3" long, so you shouldn't need a specific reason for having any of them on you.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on June 09, 2016, 07:43:49 PM
Hello all. Thought I'd make this my first post seeming as I'm a UK resident.

My current fav UK legal edc is the imho very underrated Boker W.C. Davis II slipjoint:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/CitiBoker_1.jpg)
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/8d027ddd-ba22-4f93-ba5f-0043fb5a0cf3_zpsszyhgrrx.jpg)
The most perfect marriage of modern and traditional in a mass produced slipjoint I've come across. Such a beautiful knife if it wasn't so spendy I'd own another and gift a few more.  I used to carry the execellent Spyderco G10 drop point UKPK but always felt wary using it in front of non-knife folk.  It was almost too practical; great ergos and superb materials; and being easy to open with one hand was a massive plus but that ability and the unconventional design are so unlike the public perception of a 'normal' pen knife over here.  The Boker on the other hand has all the typical cues: nail nick, bolster, narrow blade and 'natural' (green) handle colour.

His faithful companion, the Wenger Evo 17 Soft touch:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/Studio_20150531_175052.jpg)

This is a great multitool.  My SAK of choice.  Being 85mm this is slightly smaller than the Victorinox starndard 91mm models but this just makes it more pocketable for me.  And I just I love the clip blade. Wish Victorinox would issue knives with it  :pok:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/ST17%20Clip%20point_zps5nkxbfwi.jpg)

Gratuitous shot:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/loadoutedc.jpg)

As for a list of UK edc knives I've experience of:

The Boker WC Davis II (obviously)
Sanrenmu 4110SUX-LZ (excellent oho keychain sized knife- my keyring knife choice)
Sanrenmu 7089SUX-PN (faultless modern oho fingerguard design)
Sanrenmu 4073RUC-LH1 (another excellent oho keychain sized knife)
Sanrenmu 7094STX-PNH-T4 (nightmare grind oho tanto with fingerguard)
Probably mentioned before but added just to break the pattern up ;)..... Victorinox Compact
Spyderco G10 UKPK (excellent quality and ergonomically sublime oho)
Sanrenmu 7112RUC-LH (SAK size pocket scalpel with nail nick)
Sanrenmu 7099SUX-PH-T3 (great ergo's in hand, oho with fingerguard)

No affiliation just a very satisfied customer...

Some SRM loveliness:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/Sanrenmu%20crew_zpsaialf3jx.jpg)

And some keychain sized goodness:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/20150518_220322.jpg)


Cheers
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2016, 11:14:10 PM
Hello Moose, welcome to the forum. :hatsoff:

I love the look of the Boker, very classy. 8)  Have you looked at the Byrd Tern as an alternative to the UKPK?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2016, 11:16:22 PM
BTW; are all of those SRM knives non-locking sub 3"?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on June 10, 2016, 10:22:30 PM
Hi Gareth. Thanks :cheers:.

All except the one second from the bottom (an SRM 7073LUC which is an exceptional small frame lock that I like more than the SRM 710) are non locking.

Yes I've have considered the Tern and guess it'd make a good alternative to the FRN UKPK knives. 
If Sanrenmu scaled up some of their slip joints so that the blades were closer to the 3inch mark (in particular the great little Sanrenmu 4110SUX-LZ) then Byrd and parent company Spyderco would have serious competition on their hands when it comes to the European market for modern oho slip joint knives.   
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2016, 07:46:18 PM
The new Fallkniven LTC is Legal To Carry.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on November 21, 2016, 10:46:36 PM
The new Fallkniven LTC is Legal To Carry.

I wish Fallkniven had made a slip joint version of their TK3/TK4 or U2 knives.  These to me are much more distinctive designs ( I've owned a couple of TK4s and love almost everything about them bar the price :pok:) 

But I guess the LTC is aimed more at buyers who are going to give it as a gift (hence the nice box and the inoffensive SAK  like look) rather then use it personally :-\.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Ron Who on November 21, 2016, 11:34:21 PM
The new Fallkniven LTC is Legal To Carry.

I wish Fallkniven had made a slip joint version of their TK3/TK4 or U2 knives.  These to me are much more distinctive designs ( I've owned a couple of TK4s and love almost everything about them bar the price :pok:) 

But I guess the LTC is aimed more at buyers who are going to give it as a gift (hence the nice box and the inoffensive SAK  like look) rather then use it personally :-\.
I understand. I like the U2, have abused one for years, but I think I'm gonna get me an LTC as well. I find the slimmer blade very attractive, and the colors too. I will have a green one if I can get it. Also, the LTC is lighter than the U2 (33 grams vs. 42). It's very expensive when compared with a Pioneer Solo though. Must be the premium steel.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on December 11, 2016, 07:26:18 PM
The JD van Deventer custom folder.

69mm blade length. N690 blade and G10 scales.

The fit and finish is some of the best I've seen.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161211/232fc8b5d6c99ff63e414be0de66876b.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161211/6bafa80d495956267ff81614f810ab8a.jpg)

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161211/6953bb068fc150bc253f8d34398ff870.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 11, 2016, 07:35:29 PM
ooh, that's a bit nice. 8)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on December 11, 2016, 07:37:11 PM
ooh, that's a bit nice. 8)

It is, it was an early Christmas present to myself, it ain't cheap though :ahhh :salute:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Ron Who on February 19, 2017, 11:27:09 AM
Still haven't got an LTC. I've noticed its price has gone up $20 recently, while I was waiting for it to go down!  :(
Current price is $ 100, about twice what I'm willing to pay for it.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on February 19, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
Still haven't got an LTC. I've noticed its price has gone up $20 recently, while I was waiting for it to go down!  :(
Current price is $ 100, about twice what I'm willing to pay for it.

Ouch, that's way too much for my taste as well. :(
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on April 09, 2017, 09:05:17 AM
That LTC is typically fallkniven blocky and ugly I'm afraid. I'd be interested if the handle looked at all suitable for the blade.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on April 09, 2017, 09:11:22 PM
I'd like to like the LTC's looks, but I just can't.  :-\  I can't help think that a Vic Pocket Pal or Excelsior does exactly the same thing, has similar looks (actually better IMO) and costs a fraction of the price.
Title: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on April 09, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
The LTC doesn't do it for me. The Enzo PK70 does however
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on April 09, 2017, 10:09:45 PM
I'll just leave this here... :whistle:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on April 10, 2017, 10:31:49 PM
I'll just leave this here... :whistle:

(https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8384.0;attach=312674)

All de-fanged mate?  Very nice.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on April 10, 2017, 10:38:11 PM
BTW, it's good to see you around mate. :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nikos on April 10, 2017, 10:50:46 PM
Hey Gareth, tis good to be around :cheers: It will only last for a couple days, though... That is, until the wife and baby daughter are back home. :)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on May 10, 2017, 10:38:17 PM
Classic versus modern design aesthetics.... The BB Urban has supplanted the Boker as my primary EDC:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/IMG_5566_zpsxsjumylu.jpg)

So a quick pocket dump looks like this:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/20170506_152726_zps7yzkgey1.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: zr0dfx on August 07, 2017, 02:40:42 PM
Classic versus modern design aesthetics.... The BB Urban has supplanted the Boker as my primary EDC:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/IMG_5566_zpsxsjumylu.jpg)

So a quick pocket dump looks like this:
(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n113/moosefour/20170506_152726_zps7yzkgey1.jpg)

Moose we can't see any photobucket pics on here any more sadly :(
Title: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: aluminated on August 07, 2017, 02:56:04 PM
Ya can if ya really try...
Moose's pics:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/f1b42acd759c4c87bab7219f246a8882.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/ad1c3ee3a38e37adec1d4826e2080742.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: 5hif7y on November 20, 2017, 03:58:33 AM
The boker plus tech tools are UK friendly right?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on November 29, 2017, 11:47:48 PM
Sorry you can't see the pics anymore.  I will have to source a new free hosting site for my pics.

And yes; the Boker Tech Tools are UK edc.  Non-locking blades with a cutting edge 3 or less inches in length are fine. the Boker blade is only 2.79 inches and non-locking.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: leatherman666 on November 30, 2017, 12:04:00 AM
 Took the locks off my leatherman wave for the 2x knives and saw now u.k. legal carry.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on December 04, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
Took the locks off my leatherman wave for the 2x knives and saw now u.k. legal carry.

Are the blades all floppy or did you do something cool?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on December 08, 2017, 05:49:11 PM
Good news for us in the UK, the CRKT Liong Mah #5 is back in stock at Heinnies for a limited time at the very reasonable £47.95

(https://image.ibb.co/hX1vkG/20171208_164051838_i_OS.jpg)

Even better is that Heinnie have a limited edition for the even more reasonable price of £24.95

(https://image.ibb.co/iWM6sw/20171208_164109100_i_OS.jpg)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nix on December 08, 2017, 06:13:50 PM
I bought this little jewel for my last trip to Scotland:

(https://i.imgur.com/ex4oiTH.jpg)

The design seemed a little odd, but the thumb ramp and small guard let one lock the blade in hand. I think it was designed by Spyderco specifically to meet UK rules, but I took off the pocket clip for more discrete carry.

2.99" S30V blade. Carbon fiber scales over steel liners, but it's very light. Super "walk & talk" due to a nice ball-bearing detent.

I'll send it to the first guy flying UK or Irish colors next to his avatar (who is actually from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, or England) who shout's out, "I'll use it!"

 :cheers:

oh, I may not still have the pocket clip for it. I'll look around, but no guarantees.

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nix on December 08, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Hmmm...I feel a little badly about this. I can't find the pocket clip. Usually I save pocket clips, but I may have tossed this one, knowing that I'd never use a clip with this knife. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/gaah.gif)

So, I tried to identify the model--just in case Spyderco could replace the clip--and I can't figure what this knife actually is! I'm sure it's a Sypderco (Taichung manufacture), and I'm sure I got it from a reputable dealer. But I have no idea what it is!  :facepalm:

Anyway, offer still stands, if you would actually use and carry this knife and don't mind not having a pocket clip. (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/hanghead.gif)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hiraethus on December 08, 2017, 08:24:00 PM
 :o

I’ll use it!

Show content
I think that’s a Terzuola Slipit


edit now that I've got the kids in bed: Thanks Nix, that's very generous of you.  Been looking for a new Spyderco for a while - nearly bought a PM2 recently but decided I wanted something non-locking and was about to buy an Urban.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nix on December 08, 2017, 09:48:00 PM
Hey, very cool.

And a quick google search would seem to confirm your guess on make and model. Well done, you!

I really like this knife and feel sorry that I don't carry or use it more often. So, I'm glad to put it in the hands of somebody who will give it the care, feeding, and exercise it deserves. Shoot me a PM with your shipping address!  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: hiraethus on December 20, 2017, 09:10:11 AM
True to his word, Nix sent the Terzuola slip joint and it arrived yesterday.  It's probably not the style of Spyderco I'd normally go for, but it is very nice indeed.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/27386275049_b8e1f667bc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HJ2Ps2)
I'll use it over the holidays and post up some more thoughts elsewhere.  Many thanks Nix. :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: zoidberg on December 20, 2017, 10:05:27 AM
 :like:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Gareth on December 20, 2017, 05:30:29 PM
 :like:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: ThePeacent on December 21, 2017, 05:03:37 PM
True to his word, Nix sent the Terzuola slip joint and it arrived yesterday.  It's probably not the style of Spyderco I'd normally go for, but it is very nice indeed.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/27386275049_b8e1f667bc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HJ2Ps2)
I'll use it over the holidays and post up some more thoughts elsewhere.  Many thanks Nix. :cheers:

Nix is off the charts these days
My gift from him is not UK legal (almost 4 inches, 6 ounxes, solid titanium framelock   :D) but it's also a top notch piece, the ZT0561

(https://i.imgur.com/bv8ywkj.jpg)

 :drool:
Hey Nix, we're all enjoying these Christmas days much more thanks to you   :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: dks on April 09, 2018, 05:16:32 PM
...meanwhile in London:
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800

Mayor of London statement:

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

The comment on the thread are interesting..
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on April 09, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
...meanwhile in London:
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800

Mayor of London statement:

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

The comment on the thread are interesting..

Quite predictable but what do they expect from such a blanket statement? I have to say though, things are not looking very good over there.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Fuzzbucket on April 09, 2018, 06:18:16 PM
...meanwhile in London:
https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/982906526334668800

Mayor of London statement:

"No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."

The comment on the thread are interesting..

Quite predictable but what do they expect from such a blanket statement? I have to say though, things are not looking very good over there.

It's an absolute mess. They've reached a point of no return now in London, it's just going to get worse and worse and worse and there's nothing realistically they can do now to fix it. Successive politicians have successfully destroyed (one of) the most culturally significant city in the world... smurfs!!!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kingofswords on July 06, 2018, 04:52:54 PM
so are knives getting seized by customs?
i ordered one from GB on 15th june and its not arrived yet.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on July 08, 2018, 11:55:36 PM
so are knives getting seized by customs?
i ordered one from GB on 15th june and its not arrived yet.

Boarder control have been known to seize flippers or define some knives as “gravity” knives, ie can be opened with a flick of the wrist, or spydie drop, and seize.
This isn’t new, been going in for years.
What did you order?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kingofswords on July 09, 2018, 01:28:52 AM
a gravity knife  :rofl:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on July 09, 2018, 10:10:03 AM
a gravity knife  :rofl:

Best case - it'll arrive soon, not uncommon for imported goods to take weeks to clear customs.
Worse case - you'll have the 5 O on your door step at 6am arresting you for imported a restricted weapon.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: kingofswords on July 14, 2018, 06:53:54 PM
sadiq khan 0
common sense 1

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Fuzzbucket on July 14, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
 :2tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on July 14, 2018, 07:57:27 PM
sadiq khan 0
common sense 1

Has there been an update?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on July 14, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
No They're all in meltdown over Brexit at the moment, so no doubt they'll pass the bill because everyone will be blathering on about other things :facepalm:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: BePrepared on July 28, 2018, 07:51:17 PM
I thought this story was interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44946273

A police officer accused of smashing and sawing through a car windscreen claimed "the majority" of response officers carry their own bladed tools on duty, a court has heard.
PC Joshua Savage allegedly attacked Leon Fontana's Ford Fiesta with a baton before cutting the smashed glass with a lock knife on 16 September 2016.
The officer denies possessing his own Swiss army knife unlawfully.
He told the Old Bailey that blades were needed for emergencies.
Mr Savage claimed his job required a "cutting implement" for acts such as slicing seat belts off trapped passengers in emergency situations.
On Tuesday, the court heard the Met Police officer told an Independent Police Complaints Commission interviewer: "You supplement your own issue kit with stuff that's necessary.
"The majority of officers on response teams will carry them along with torches."


He was cleared of assault, but is still probably in a bit of trouble with the Force.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44980617

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Mechanickal on July 28, 2018, 07:58:33 PM
:facepalm:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Essexman on August 01, 2018, 10:15:05 AM
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.

Putting  aside the knife part, that particular case was a mess. Inexperienced officer, mistaken identity, whole lot filmed and posted of social media.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on August 01, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.



I found that strange too.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: BePrepared on August 03, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
If he needs a locking blade for work then why is it not issued officially?  We get on a slippery slope if we let the officiers decide what they can carry "legally".  Pepper spray? Extending baton? Nunchucks? Cattle prod? Samurai sword? Etc?

Personally, I see no reason to deny them a locking blade especially since it is a USEFUL TOOL.  And maybe the law will lighten up on the rest of us too.
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.



I found that strange too.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: pomsbz on August 03, 2018, 03:00:52 PM
If he needs a locking blade for work then why is it not issued officially?  We get on a slippery slope if we let the officiers decide what they can carry "legally".  Pepper spray? Extending baton? Nunchucks? Cattle prod? Samurai sword? Etc?

Personally, I see no reason to deny them a locking blade especially since it is a USEFUL TOOL.  And maybe the law will lighten up on the rest of us too.
I would think he would have a good reason to carry a locking blade as he uses it in his work, as described.



I found that strange too.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk

The problem is that when a police officer can't justify carry of a locking pocket knife on duty what hope is there for the rest of us? What do you need to do to prove justifiable cause if the benchmark has been shifted that far?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: mtoolman on September 20, 2018, 12:09:51 AM
So, in the case of blades which are locking, or longer than, or is 3 inches long, if someone is going to camp site, woods, hills or mountains for camping, bushcrafting, hill walking, then it is OK to carry whatever tools in his backpack?

It's just carrying these tools in public streets, town centres and markets ...etc without reasonable purposes, that would be illegal.

Am I correct on this? If not, please correct me.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 20, 2018, 12:51:17 AM
So, in the case of blades which are locking, or longer than, or is 3 inches long, if someone is going to camp site, woods, hills or mountains for camping, bushcrafting, hill walking, then it is OK to carry whatever tools in his backpack?

It's just carrying these tools in public streets, town centres and markets ...etc without reasonable purposes, that would be illegal.

Am I correct on this? If not, please correct me.

That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.

Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.


The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: mtoolman on September 20, 2018, 01:02:20 AM
So, in the case of blades which are locking, or longer than, or is 3 inches long, if someone is going to camp site, woods, hills or mountains for camping, bushcrafting, hill walking, then it is OK to carry whatever tools in his backpack?

It's just carrying these tools in public streets, town centres and markets ...etc without reasonable purposes, that would be illegal.

Am I correct on this? If not, please correct me.

That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.

Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.


The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.

 :like: :like: :like: :tu:

Great info. Thank you for your confirmation.  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Smashie on September 20, 2018, 08:47:13 AM

That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.

Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.


The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.

Almost completely correct, however only a judge can decide guilt and or intent  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Valkie on October 20, 2018, 05:59:54 AM
The list of legal carry knives in Australia is easy
1...................

In fact, under Australian law, just about everything is considered illegal.
Bunch of keys..........weapons
Tiny Victornox knife.........weapons
Screwdriver............weapons
Walking cane.......weapons

They say that if you have a good reason to carry, it's ok.
But any cop with a chip on his shoulder can charge you and you have to fight it in court.

I had my sai in my car (boot) on my way to martial arts training one night.
I was wearing my Gi
Pulled over for a random breath test.
Cop started laughing at my Gi. ( As if martial arts means anything he laughhed"
I ignored his stupidity and he got all annoyed, he was showing off to the female cop.
He searched my car (looking for drugs he said)
Found the sai
I explained I was off to training.

He was about to arrest me when an old sergeant came over and asked what the trouble was.
The cop said I threatened him.

The seargent took him off to the side and had a chat with him
Then he came back and told me to go.

There are good and bad cops in Australia
But unlike other countries we do not have a bill of rights
In most cases we are considered guilty until we can prove our innocence.
Every day, laws are being enacted to erode away at our rights.

My father carried a small blade every single day of his 90 years.
I have carried a small blade every day since I was a boy scout, I'm 60
I will continue to carry as I have found many many uses for my Victornox craftsman.

But I still don't trust the cops.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Fast Bill on October 20, 2018, 08:02:50 AM
A  bit of common sense goes a long way whichever country you're in.

If you have to explain your machete in the supermarket when you've been clearing undergrowth on your allotment you really might not have thought it through enough.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on October 23, 2018, 11:02:29 PM

That's essentially correct. The non-locking blade under three inches is the definition of a knife that can be carried as a general pocket knife. If you have a specific and genuine reason for "more" or for a fixed blade, you're perfectly entitled too, which is the point often overlooked in internet discussion. If you need a billhook for hedging, machete for clearing a vacant lot, fixed blade for fishing or food prep while camping, then go for it. Just be sure that you can justify the reason for carrying more than that sub-3" slippie.

Another example: As I have some health issues which affect my coordination and other motor skills, I would probably be able to put the case forward for having a locking blade over a slipjoint knife, but wouldn't have a cause for carrying longer than a 3" blade. Having submitted this reason, the onus would then be on the police to disprove this, or to prove that I was carrying it with nefarious intent, or was for example using it in an intentionally threatening manner, or making threats to harm someone with it.


The short version, is that you can carry whatever you need, but if you don't have a specific need, the law protects your right to carry a reasonable pocket knife everywhere which doesn't have specific "no blade" restrictions.

Almost completely correct, however only a judge can decide guilt and or intent  :tu:

Not quite :D

Magistrates (2 or 3)  or a district judge but only if you hit a a magistrates’ court  might pass judgement

but if you go to a crown court the judge is there to define points of law, direct the jury and pass sentence

The Jury decides guilt



Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Moose on February 25, 2019, 09:31:22 PM
Boom.. And I'm back with my new favorite UK legal pocket knife.... The Bestech Junzi  :climber:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7909/40230751053_d93b07000c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24i47ER)

(with companion Huntsman)

[](https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7805/46086874074_0e40e57802_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24i47ER)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7870/40246682283_fdd3c47eaf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24jsLte) (https://flic.kr/p/24jsLte)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: JK on January 23, 2021, 03:48:48 PM
Related question. I finished making a puukko for a friend but given the pandemic I would have to ship it rather than meet. Does anyone know how to send one? Most couriers seem to have exclusions for knives and sharp objects.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Dunc on January 23, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
Related question. I finished making a puukko for a friend but given the pandemic I would have to ship it rather than meet. Does anyone know how to send one? Most couriers seem to have exclusions for knives and sharp objects.

I send knives by Royal Mail all the time. Knives are ok as long as they aren’t on the banned weapons list. Just say it’s cutlery when they ask what it is.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: JK on January 28, 2021, 08:38:11 PM
I send knives by Royal Mail all the time. Knives are ok as long as they aren’t on the banned weapons list. Just say it’s cutlery when they ask what it is.

Fixed blade puukko?
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Shuya on April 21, 2021, 05:28:39 PM
Fixed blade puukko?

Call it a kitchen knife or for a specific purpose, aka fishing knife.

Send a card with it, maybe one or two fishing gimmics as addition if you feel like that.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 15, 2021, 08:40:31 PM
I might lose a Vic' classic tomorrow  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

I'm off to the Shard (London) and it states "airport style" security scanners so I thought I'd give it a go  :dunno:

https://www.the-shard.com/ (https://www.the-shard.com/)

I might need to replace the standard black with an Alox version  :whistle: :rofl: (let's see  ;) )

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nix on June 15, 2021, 08:57:58 PM
 :rofl:

Good luck!   :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: GearedForwards on June 15, 2021, 11:34:45 PM
I might lose a Vic' classic tomorrow  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

I'm off to the Shard (London) and it states "airport style" security scanners so I thought I'd give it a go  :dunno:

https://www.the-shard.com/ (https://www.the-shard.com/)

I might need to replace the standard black with an Alox version  :whistle: :rofl: (let's see  ;) )

You got guts Surge  8) You also have a very weird key... wallet?

I'm going to take a wild guess that you may be evaluating their 'airport style' security to see if it meets your lofty standards? Hopefully you won't be found out by someone with your enthusiasm  :twak:  :whistle:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 17, 2021, 09:28:31 PM
Well, it worked  :tu:

I wasn't selected for a "Private Search"  :pok:

The problem is that I still don't know if it's allowed or not (if you ask, it's a whole world of pain) If you take the chance, as I did, and win  :woohoo: then it's all good  :think:

Still, it was a great day and the views of London (and Essex, Kent, Middlesex & Surrey) were fantastic.

If you could, you should  :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Nix on June 17, 2021, 09:40:35 PM
 :cheers:  Glad you still have your trusty Classic!   :tu:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 18, 2021, 07:17:51 PM
:cheers:  Glad you still have your trusty Classic!   :tu:
Cheers Nix  :cheers:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 18, 2021, 07:22:13 PM
You got guts Surge  8) You also have a very weird key... wallet?

I'm going to take a wild guess that you may be evaluating their 'airport style' security to see if it meets your lofty standards? Hopefully you won't be found out by someone with your enthusiasm  :twak: :whistle:
What's wrong with my key wallet  :pok:

It has to hold a credit card sized access card (so I can get into the shopping centre I live in  ::) )
I'm in Wales next week so don't make me come looking for you  :twak:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: GearedForwards on June 18, 2021, 08:37:42 PM
What's wrong with my key wallet  :pok:

It has to hold a credit card sized access card (so I can get into the shopping centre I live in  ::) )
I'm in Wales next week so don't make me come looking for you  :twak:

It's different from what I know and am used to, thus makes me scared of it and lash out appropriately, you weirdo  :pok:

Mate, I know you're posh, but 'stealth camping' in Waitrose isn't the way to go  :whistle:

Pfft, you'll probably be dahn saff even this side of the border  ::)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 21, 2021, 08:14:52 PM
It's different from what I know and am used to, thus makes me scared of it and lash out appropriately, you weirdo  :pok:

Mate, I know you're posh, but 'stealth camping' in Waitrose isn't the way to go  :whistle:

Pfft, you'll probably be dahn saff even this side of the border  ::)
FYI: I don't "camp" anywhere  :twak: (did enough of that years ago!)

I shall be arriving in Port Toilet Talbot tomorrow afternoon and then off to three cliffs the following day.

I shall leave the "Land of our Fathers" on Thursday morning and return to "Waitrose"  :pok:

I will be equipped with the FX & Bond along with my Fenix E01 (I trust this meets with your foreign laws) :dunno:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: GearedForwards on June 22, 2021, 10:58:59 PM
FYI: I don't "camp" anywhere  :twak: (did enough of that years ago!)

I shall be arriving in Port Toilet Talbot tomorrow afternoon and then off to three cliffs the following day.

I shall leave the "Land of our Fathers" on Thursday morning and return to "Waitrose"  :pok:

I will be equipped with the FX & Bond along with my Fenix E01 (I trust this meets with your foreign laws) :dunno:

I should think your gear nice enough to warrant the cross border mugging shake down yes, I've already called 'dibs' on you as an Englishman of 'taxing' interest  :pok:

I've never been to Port water closet, but I hope you can make the most of your time in our lovely land given the unfortunate circumstances of your visit

...Wait that was far too nice to you err.... You smell of elderberries!
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on June 24, 2021, 08:41:18 PM
I should think your gear nice enough to warrant the cross border mugging shake down yes, I've already called 'dibs' on you as an Englishman of 'taxing' interest  :pok:

I've never been to Port water closet, but I hope you can make the most of your time in our lovely land given the unfortunate circumstances of your visit

...Wait that was far too nice to you err.... You smell of elderberries!
Well, we survived the trip (although GWR First Class have let themselves go  :dunno: )

To be fair you're not missing much at Port Talbot these days, which is now looking very sad & dated  :( It used to be a buzzing little town a decade or so ago but, with the steelworks on tenterhooks and the Covid issues, it's sadly in decline  :cry:

It awl went as well as could be expected and my father was laid to rest on the cliffs with a view of both Port Talbot & Oxwich Bay  :tu:

It didn't seem appropriate to take MTO type pics, so I didn't  :-\

However, here's a shot from the cliffs (towards Oxwich)

Also one of the EDC (which Welsh Customs missed  :pok: ) back home with some Welsh pillow chocolates  ;)

NB: Far too polite a response so I shall retort with something similar about 'amsters  :whistle:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Jud65 on March 17, 2022, 12:06:05 PM
Boom.. And I'm back with my new favorite UK legal pocket knife.... The Bestech Junzi  :climber:
Just got myself a Junzi from Twisted Assisted (half the price of the original Bestech, by the way). They do a budget version in D2 with a range of different scales, but it’s still a cracking knife. With companion Rambler in Brass.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 17, 2022, 12:27:57 PM
Well, it worked  :tu:

I wasn't selected for a "Private Search"  :pok:

The problem is that I still don't know if it's allowed or not (if you ask, it's a whole world of pain) If you take the chance, as I did, and win  :woohoo: then it's all good  :think:

Still, it was a great day and the views of London (and Essex, Kent, Middlesex & Surrey) were fantastic.

If you could, you should  :tu:

What do you mean by allowed?

 If its legal, its legal but as a private building they can have their own policy and refuse admission, you can't be arrested just turned away
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tasky on March 17, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
What do you mean by allowed?
https://www.the-shard.com/about/security

"PROHIBITED ITEMS
Please do not attempt to bring in firearms, ammunition, bladed articles, explosives or fireworks, hazardous liquids or chemicals or anything else that could cause harm to someone".

Also:
"You can expect to see police patrols around the building, including by armed officers, and this is nothing to be alarmed about".
I imagine anyone causing a fuss might be given a free ride in the Blue Light Taxi to the local copshop, if only to give you a slapped wrist... and I imagine they'll still pinch your 3-incher, just to make the point.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 17, 2022, 05:41:29 PM
I see prohibited from their building - they would have just refused you entry

or anything else that could cause harm to someone

made me laugh though, that's pretty much anything

https://www.the-shard.com/about/security


Also:
"You can expect to see police patrols around the building, including by armed officers, and this is nothing to be alarmed about".
I imagine anyone causing a fuss might be given a free ride in the Blue Light Taxi to the local copshop, if only to give you a slapped wrist... and I imagine they'll still pinch your 3-incher, just to make the point.

Indeed but why would anyone cause a fuss - they have their own rules so follow them? However if they called in the cops, stand your ground you've not broken the law.

If they were foolish enough to arrest you, refuse any caution they might offer, get a solicitor and make a claim for Wrongful arrest / False imprisonment

you would get what they took back or they also face a charge of theft/damages

probably best have it on film and/or seek their body cam footage though...
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Valkie on March 18, 2022, 08:44:30 PM
Ahhhhh

Twould be nice to have a grubberment with some common sense rather than a cowardly grubberment who introduce draconian punishments for carrying a SAK mini in your pocket.

But I guess Australia is simply full of idiots, after all they did vote in howard the coward.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tasky on March 18, 2022, 09:50:37 PM
Indeed but why would anyone cause a fuss - they have their own rules so follow them? However if they called in the cops, stand your ground you've not broken the law.
Some people do like to cause a fuss, though. For the same reason people take it upon themselves to "audit" those in authority... which is basically pushing boundaries in the hope of getting an adverse reaction, which is why it's so often filmed and uploaded direct to YouTube at the time.

But more importantly, this thing about SAKs being legal to carry only applies to public places. The Shard is open to the public, but it is not a public space in itself.

High Court of Justice – claim no. QB-2018-0004473
"On 27 February 2020, an order was made in the High Court of Justice prohibiting anyone from entering in or remaining at The Shard or Shard Place without permission.
Anyone in breach of this injunction will be in contempt of court and may be imprisoned, fined or have their assets seized".

So under this High Court order, if they tell you to go because you're packing a SAK and you kick up a fuss or start bleating legalities at them, you may well find your collar getting felt.

If they were foolish enough to arrest you, refuse any caution they might offer, get a solicitor and make a claim for Wrongful arrest / False imprisonment
you would get what they took back or they also face a charge of theft/damages
probably best have it on film and/or seek their body cam footage though...
Go ahead.
They can arrest you "on suspicion" of anything they like - After all, you will have been asked not to bring any bladed items and you show up with just such a thing... that's pretty suspicious, if you ask me!
They may not actually charge you with a crime in the end, but you'll still have to endure the inconvenience of being arrested, detained and processed, however long that takes... all because you wanted to be a smurf-head over a pretty minor legal interpretation. Even if it's just causing harassment, alarm or distress contrary to the Public Order Act 1986, or another similar offence, which in plain speak is known as being a smurf.
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Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 19, 2022, 09:24:03 PM
Some people do like to cause a fuss, though. For the same reason people take it upon themselves to "audit" those in authority... which is basically pushing boundaries in the hope of getting an adverse reaction, which is why it's so often filmed and uploaded direct to YouTube at the time.

But more importantly, this thing about SAKs being legal to carry only applies to public places. The Shard is open to the public, but it is not a public space in itself.

High Court of Justice – claim no. QB-2018-0004473
"On 27 February 2020, an order was made in the High Court of Justice prohibiting anyone from entering in or remaining at The Shard or Shard Place without permission.
Anyone in breach of this injunction will be in contempt of court and may be imprisoned, fined or have their assets seized".

So under this High Court order, if they tell you to go because you're packing a SAK and you kick up a fuss or start bleating legalities at them, you may well find your collar getting felt.
Go ahead.
They can arrest you "on suspicion" of anything they like - After all, you will have been asked not to bring any bladed items and you show up with just such a thing... that's pretty suspicious, if you ask me!
They may not actually charge you with a crime in the end, but you'll still have to endure the inconvenience of being arrested, detained and processed, however long that takes... all because you wanted to be a smurf-head over a pretty minor legal interpretation. Even if it's just causing harassment, alarm or distress contrary to the Public Order Act 1986, or another similar offence, which in plain speak is known as being a smurf.
!

You can't use a court injunction agains people trying to climb the outside of a building to cover somone turing up with a legal item on their person that an establihment has decided they don't want you to bring in.

The private establishment can refuse entry but that's it - anything else that might happen has nothing to do with the original issue of entry into a private establishment

my simple point was if you face such a situation don't be bullied into believing you've broken the law - you havn't, the law doesn't change because you've entered said establishment - only in a select few is it the case,

Of course if you kick off you are on your own
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tasky on March 20, 2022, 01:49:42 AM
You can't use a court injunction agains people trying to climb the outside of a building to cover somone turing up with a legal item on their person that an establihment has decided they don't want you to bring in.
Of course you can - The wording is deliberately vague and covers a wide range of possibilities. This is what lawyers are for.
Context is key and discretion is paramount. Anywhere that has metal detectors and armed Police securing it is not the place to be testing the finer points of legal interpretation.

my simple point was if you face such a situation don't be bullied into believing you've broken the law - you havn't, the law doesn't change because you've entered said establishment - only in a select few is it the case,
You don't need to break a law to be arrested. Also, Police officers won't always know the full nuances of every single law but carrying a knife in today's Knife-Crime UK climate, especially to a place that clearly prohibits such things, is reasonable grounds enough for a suspicion that can lead to an arrest.

It is a bit like carrying a jerry can of petrol into the pub - It's not illegal to carry petrol in a public place, but that doesn't mean you should.

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 20, 2022, 11:04:47 AM
Of course you can - The wording is deliberately vague and covers a wide range of possibilities. This is what lawyers are for.
Context is key and discretion is paramount. Anywhere that has metal detectors and armed Police securing it is not the place to be testing the finer points of legal interpretation.

Context is key- indeed, that's my point,

metal detectors and armed Police I wonder how much Qatar pay for that and why they would need it for a commercial building...

 
You don't need to break a law to be arrested.

and if they are in the wrong, call them on it, ignorance of the law is no excuse after all ;)

 
It is a bit like carrying a jerry can of petrol into the pub - It's not illegal to carry petrol in a public place, but that doesn't mean you should.

And you could be asked to leave by the landlord, but you can't be arrested for it

Anyway I've derailed the thread and won't do so further
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tasky on March 20, 2022, 03:30:51 PM
Context is key- indeed, that's my point,
metal detectors and armed Police I wonder how much Qatar pay for that and why they would need it for a commercial building...
Doesn't matter - They have the same kind of security that Windsor Castle has. Presumably there's a reason, but the end results are the same... and so are the prerequisites of entry, pretty much. 

and if they are in the wrong, call them on it, ignorance of the law is no excuse after all ;)
Again not a factor, because you would only be arrested on suspicion of something.

The point is, they've asked you in advance not to bring any blades, so don't be an arse about it.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 20, 2022, 04:16:20 PM
Doesn't matter - They have the same kind of security that Windsor Castle has. Presumably there's a reason, but the end results are the same... and so are the prerequisites of entry, pretty much. 

Doesn't matter to you that a foreign power are either using your taxes or paying members of the crown to 'protect' them from your legal right to do something?

Again not a factor, because you would only be arrested on suspicion of something.

You cannot legally be detained for a suspicion of 'something'


The point is, they've asked you in advance not to bring any blades, so don't be an arse about it.

there is no legal obligation if you are 'asked' - something is legal or it isn't

'terms of entry' are for the most part a civil matter
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: Tasky on March 20, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
Doesn't matter to you that a foreign power are either using your taxes or paying members of the crown to 'protect' them from your legal right to do something?
Not a factor in this topic, especially without substantiation of such an assertion.

You cannot legally be detained for a suspicion of 'something'
So I don't know exactly which law or legislation a given officer will choose to arrest you on suspicion of breaking or breaching.
Doesn't change the fact that if you're being a smurf, they WILL find something on suspicion of which to arrest you.

there is no legal obligation if you are 'asked' - something is legal or it isn't
I'm sure shouting that as they drag you away that will sway the populace into rising up in revolution against the corrupt foreign-owned establishment, perhaps even singing stirring songs of the ilk most commonly found in musicals about Victor Hugo novels... but you'll still be dragged away.
You may not be breaking one specific law with this approach, but you're likely pushing your luck with several others in the process... and armed Police tend not to smurf about with malcontent pedants waving Gov.uk printouts at them.

'terms of entry' are for the most part a civil matter
The Police can still escort you off the premises, along with various other civil-based actions in order to 'keep the peace', plus various other actions under their powers if they believe you have committed or are about to commit a crime. That might need some questioning and sorting out down the station, but you're still going for that ride.

Or you could just... y'know... be reasonable and not take a knife where you've been asked not to.
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on March 20, 2022, 06:22:27 PM
Well, this has all kicked off since my last post, hasn't it  :rofl:

I only wanted to see what, if anything, would have been said/done. I work at an airport and carry some kit that I wouldn't be allowed to as a passenger (and I have no problem with that)

I was simply curious as to whether my Classic would get in, just because it says "airport style security" (the operative word being "style") Airports have various legislation & rules that they MUST enforce from both the DoT & the CAA etc (my Classic has travelled on numerous occasions with no issue) It would seem that, on my last visit to "The Shard" all was good as well.

Other points have been raised which, as someone whose job it was to enforce both the law (and bylaws) on the dirty streets of London, I shall refrain from commenting upon, mostly, lest I am out of date (I usually am  :whistle:)

I would just say that 99% of arrests made by me (and my colleagues) were "on suspicion of # offence" and moreover; you can be detained for various reasons, such as a search of person under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (sect. 23) or PaCE 1984 (sect.1) These were my most used  ;)

My experiment was just a bit of fun which stemmed from curiousity of how it might pan out  :dunno:

NB: The MPS* do not guard the building (inside or out) but, as it falls within their jurisdiction, they are often seen out & about nearby on foot and in vehicles, both armed and unarmed. I think given it's attraction to those that would seek to harm all of us** then it's a jolly, damned fine splendid idea


* I've also seen CoLP, MoD and BTP units on patrol nearby (again armed or otherwise)

** Awlso SAK wielding maniacs  ;)

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SAKPal on March 20, 2022, 07:08:12 PM
Well, this has all kicked off since my last post, hasn't it  :rofl:

It certainly has but I'm going to walk away now that true colours are on display

Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: GearedForwards on March 20, 2022, 07:11:36 PM
Most things are legal as long as you don't leave the house  :popcorn:
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on March 20, 2022, 07:30:36 PM
Most things are legal as long as you don't leave the house  :popcorn:

It used to be the case (bloody webcams  :whistle:)
Title: Re: UK Legal Carry Thread!
Post by: SurgeUk on March 20, 2022, 07:33:33 PM
It certainly has but I'm going to walk away now that true colours are on display

 :think: :dunno: