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Tool Talk => Leatherman Tools => Topic started by: Grant Lamontagne on January 19, 2011, 04:28:24 AM
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I'm trying to get as much going as possible here, so I'm a bit sparse on the pics. I'll keep uploading more, but here's a few to get you started.
First off, these new tools, the Sidekick and Wingman are not what many of you expected, judging by the speculation I saw in the other thread. These are Leatherman's attempt to enter the ultra low price market. In fact....
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Banner.jpg)
The MSRP on one is $29.99 and the other is $39.99. The Sidekick is to be the more expensive one, although for all intents and purposes both these tools are pretty well the same. The Sidekick has a wood saw, while the Wingman has scissors. The Wingman also has a clamshell opener, while the Sidekick has a serrated blade.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Pair.jpg)
The fancy leather pouch and carabiner come with the Sidekick, while the Wingman is sold as is.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Difference.jpg)
These tools encompass a number of firsts for Leatherman- they have sprung pliers, they have a lower fit and finish and a super low price point as a result. The body also has an interesting cutout that allows the tools to be pushed out for use, which is kind of neat.
All in all they aren't bad at all, especially considering the price point. They aren't that exciting, but then they aren't meant to be. They will also be replacing the Fuse and Kick models, so if you want one of those, get 'em while they're hot!
Def
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What's the status on the Knifeless Fuse, then, Grant? Also, I still can't tell: is the Phillips 2D or 3D?
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3D Phillips, and no idea about the knifeless Fuse. If the standard Fuse is discontinued I would imagine it would go too.
Def
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What's with the CE main blade and the separate serrated blade?
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3D Phillips is good. Any pics of the clips on these?
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What's with the CE main blade and the separate serrated blade?
My guess is they got a new serration cutting machine and wanted to get their money's worth.
3D Phillips is good. Any pics of the clips on these?
Coming....
Def
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These pics make the tool look much better than the stock photos. At the price I'll probably pick one up.... I'm liking that carabiner, looks good.
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Well.....perhaps not as bad as I feared....still don't like pinch cutters.
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is the tool outsourced to china or is it assembled in the USA, I will buy both.
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is the tool outsourced to china or is it assembled in the USA, I will buy both.
As per the FB snippet, they're made in the US, like the other Leatherman multis.
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I have a great mod idea. Regrind the main blade PE and replace the package opener with the serrated blade. That would get rid of a lot of the redundancy.
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Well, I guess they seem like a logical progression for LM, and should make some folks quite happy. That said, I'm disappointed about the Kick disappearing. With it's shorter blade and no locks, it was a good option for non knife friendly settings. It was also a tough, bare bones design with good pliers- I'm not too sure about these new ones, especially those cutters. I'm very happy to hear about the 3d pliers though.
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This one show the cutout in the handle that allows you to push the tools out the opposite side. It also shows the 3D phillips.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Hole.jpg)
Here I am actually using to to push the tools out.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Opening.jpg)
This is the pouch and carabiner that comes with the Sidekick. The carabiner was really neat and I asked them if they would sell it separately. They gave a very noncommittal answer... :D
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/SidekickParts.jpg)
And this pic shows the clip side, and the size compared to the Blast.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Size.jpg)
Def
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Not what I was expecting. At least they won't cost a lot to add to the collection. :salute:
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I admit, I'm interested in the Wingman. File looks kinda short, but OHO, locking blades at that MSRP? Not bad. Also, an option of getting the carabiner tool and pouch separately would be good - my Kf4 would look mighty fine in that.
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They've grown on me quite abit since the stock photos. I'm interested in both, not sure which one I'd rather get. I hope they do sell the biner and case separately.
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to me they just look like baby Waves.
I like them, at that price and american made thats awesome.
The only questions are.
When are they due on the market?
Do the layer tools lock?
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With price 29 $USD (in poland around 50 for our stupid uber high taxes - that's why I'm buying them in US:)) I'll purchase one for my GF:)
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These are the Fall models coming out in September of 2011.
NEW PRODUCTS ::
As promised to all our loyal fans here. You have the very first look at the new tools for Leatherman in 2011. Coming this September to a store near you the Leatherman Sidekick and Wingman. The best part – they are all Leatherman, 25-year warranty, outside accessible blades and features and only $29.99 & $39.99 MSRP Pictures below…More on the discussion tab. Sahweet!!! Photos have been loaded.
I'd like to get the carabiner with the Wingman. But I wonder why the small blade on the Sidekick? The tool already has a partially serrated blade, adding another smaller serrated blade (looks like the one on the Vista) seems redundant. Leatherman could of done better by making this tool a utility blade and awl in one tool. :shrug:
Sidekick
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs262.snc6/179093_178081835564326_122239001148610_348554_4125820_n.jpg)
Wingman
(http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1375.snc4/164714_178081955564314_122239001148610_348555_1105724_n.jpg)
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BO version would be nice, do you think that might be available some day?
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BO version would be nice, do you think that might be available some day?
It is riveted - Duracoat project!
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Grant do these two new tools have locking Blades ? If they do lock and they are replacing the non locking Kick I think that is a bad move .
Dunc
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Grant do these two new tools have locking Blades ? If they do lock and they are replacing the non locking Kick I think that is a bad move .
Dunc
Yes they have take a look at the image I've made:
(http://www.majhost.com/gallery/Fistach/Poradnik/lockingblades.jpg)
Look at the shape that is almost the same as the locking mechanism of Wave.
In the bottom see the release buttons.
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bad call there leatherman.making now all there range bar the juice and keychain stuff locking will put the uk market for leatherman down the pan.
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These days non-locking blades would be pretty hard to sell in countries where those are not illegal. Would it be ok by the laws if you just disable those locks?
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In the UK disabling the locks would get around the legal side of things but by the looks of it they have no backspring so the blade would just fold.
So they're no good for EDC in the UK. They are also OHO so that rules out Denmark and the fact that they are OHO+locking means they're no good for Germany. I'm sure I've missed someone but the point is it looks like LM really don't see the need to appeal to the European market :(
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Sounds sad... :( Our local laws are not that clear, in theory its illegal to carry anything that has a sharp edge but in real life it's almost impossible to get into troubles with law if you just don't hurt anyone with your blade. Police will of course take your knife if they see you having one, but probably there won't be any consequences - u may even get your knife back from police station if you were not causing troubles.
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Thanks Grant, cool pictures.
Is it just me or do they look like a model of multitool from Gerber, forgot the name.
Looks like for light use only.
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Sounds sad... :( Our local laws are not that clear, in theory its illegal to carry anything that has a sharp edge but in real life it's almost impossible to get into troubles with law if you just don't hurt anyone with your blade. Police will of course take your knife if they see you having one, but probably there won't be any consequences - u may even get your knife back from police station if you were not causing troubles.
Here in Portugal legislation for white weapons is a bit loose. They've got just a few points on that:
- blades shorter than 10cm are not considered weapons, except:
- butterflies, throwing knives, starts, automatic (spring assisted) folders, regardless of length.
They do not mention anything regarding locking or one hand opening. But I know police uses to confiscate -- illegally -- lockable folders even if shorter than 10cm. YOu'll have to go to court to reclaim it back and that takes too long and is too expensive. And even after a favourable decision your chances of getting the stuff back are diminute, because it may have been "lost" meanwhile :-X
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here in australia the laws vary from state to state.
In a nutshell in NSW (as is my understanding) carrying blades have to have a 'legal purpose' so carrying one for the sake of it is a no no. Still as a tradesman i have a purpose :P
In practice though you can carry a sak or a multitool and unless you a silly enough to draw attention to yourself its never a problem. Cops don't really comb the streets stopping people in search of blades. Most cops also excersise a degree of discretion anyway.
I am happy that they are locking tools, i'm certain despite all the forum ettiquete that several of our UK brethrens EDC Blasts, Waves, Powerlocks everyday. They just keep their noses clean and stay smart about how they go about doing it.
I can't wait to get a sidekick
(also now i may hold off on buying a BLAST for my mother to replace the KICK i won on this forum.... between now and september they may have another price drop)
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I'm expecting to see these at Walmart as soon as they hit the market, probably replacing the Freestyle and Fuse on shelves. If it makes any sense, they're a lot more "obvious" as gifts than the Freestyle was (shinier, fiddlier) so they'd fly off the shelves around the holidays.
I'll probably get a Wingman. I'd already replaced my Wave's serrated blade with Vic scissors, and am loving it. I'd often though about the possibility of getting rid of everything on one side and serrating the main blade, but LM beat me to it :P I still question the utility of LM's "combo tool" as the Wave's sucks on ice at opening bottles, but we'll see how this version does. The file does look pretty weak...have to see if it has any utility at all. Of course LM also sticks that rinky-dink thing on the Squirts and people don't seem to hate it, and this one has to be of better utility than that one.
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Going from what I have seen in the past, we will probably have to wait till September/October to get them.
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I'm trying to get as much going as possible here, so I'm a bit sparse on the pics. I'll keep uploading more, but here's a few to get you started.
First off, these new tools, the Sidekick and Wingman are not what many of you expected, judging by the speculation I saw in the other thread. These are Leatherman's attempt to enter the ultra low price market. In fact....
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Banner.jpg)
The MSRP on one is $29.99 and the other is $39.99. The Sidekick is to be the more expensive one, although for all intents and purposes both these tools are pretty well the same. The Sidekick has a wood saw, while the Wingman has scissors. The Wingman also has a clamshell opener, while the Sidekick has a serrated blade.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Pair.jpg)
The fancy leather pouch and carabiner come with the Sidekick, while the Wingman is sold as is.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Difference.jpg)
These tools encompass a number of firsts for Leatherman- they have sprung pliers, they have a lower fit and finish and a super low price point as a result. The body also has an interesting cutout that allows the tools to be pushed out for use, which is kind of neat.
All in all they aren't bad at all, especially considering the price point. They aren't that exciting, but then they aren't meant to be. They will also be replacing the Fuse and Kick models, so if you want one of those, get 'em while they're hot!
Def
I see an MT.O group buy in the future!
Hint! HINT!!! :tu:
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I actually don't mind the look of them and will probably get one or the other to try out . I just noticed the little LM logo on the plier heads in Grants photo :multi:
I take LM were launching there new slogan too .
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I'm actually very interested in that Carabineer! :drool:
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I`m much more interested in that camo Blast with the new locks. Any intel on that jewel boss.
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I'm actually very interested in that Carabineer! :drool:
almost worth it because of that
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I'm actually very interested in that Carabineer! :drool:
almost worth it because of that
I EDC a juice KF4 on a small carabiner and chain hanging from my belt loop in my back pocket. Since the KF4 doesn't have a bottle opener, this would solve all my problems! :cheers:
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I think it's hard to complain about them given the very low price point. Though I'm still less than convinced about the file shape. Lets see what they cost when they come to the UK though. ::)
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here in australia the laws vary from state to state.
In a nutshell in NSW (as is my understanding) carrying blades have to have a 'legal purpose' so carrying one for the sake of it is a no no. Still as a tradesman i have a purpose :P
In practice though you can carry a sak or a multitool and unless you a silly enough to draw attention to yourself its never a problem. Cops don't really comb the streets stopping people in search of blades. Most cops also excersise a degree of discretion anyway.
I am happy that they are locking tools, i'm certain despite all the forum ettiquete that several of our UK brethrens EDC Blasts, Waves, Powerlocks everyday. They just keep their noses clean and stay smart about how they go about doing it.
I can't wait to get a sidekick
(also now i may hold off on buying a BLAST for my mother to replace the KICK i won on this forum.... between now and september they may have another price drop)
The law is kinda similar to that in Israel, here everything sharp is considered a knife, and you must be carrying that specific knife for a reason (a machete for cutting you food for example would only make the judge laugh). Self defense would only be acceptable if you are threatened by something or someone.
Luckily, All multitools are allowed for everyone (though cannot be sold to youth) anywhere, though security in public places are not likely to let you in with a large multitool.
As for the new tools- they look great, but I think that silly opener on the Wingman is useless, and the design of the scissors design is bad. The Sidekick has the right tools, except for the combo blade. Why would I want a combo blade when I have a separated serrated blade?
That file might be small, but the tasks expect from a tool of this size are nail filing and some simple wood filing - I'm sure it can handle this.
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OH MY GOD I NEED A WINGMAN NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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OH MY GOD I NEED A WINGMAN NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shhh, No need to shout.. ;)
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Grant do these two new tools have locking Blades ? If they do lock and they are replacing the non locking Kick I think that is a bad move .
Dunc
The inside tools don't look "locking" but more of the pressure-spring type seen on PST & Juice. Not sure I like that, would rather had them like the original Super Tool. But the liner locks look to be there.
Why is England so down on locking blades, they want more accidents in the health-care system?
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OH MY GOD I NEED A WINGMAN NOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shhh, No need to shout.. ;)
Do we need to get the frozen salmon out of the freezer for a bonking?
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These pics make the tool look much better than the stock photos. At the price I'll probably pick one up.... I'm liking that carabiner, looks good.
I agree with this.
3D Phillips and size-wise, it actually stacks up nicely to the Blast.
I want more info on that file, though. Looks pretty short for real work (and no diamond coat :ahhh). Could you actually resharpen a shovel or rototiller blade with it? I do that regularly with my Charge ALX...
I'm starting to warm up to this entry level tool. :)
Edit to add: I think Grant's pictures do the tool much more justice than the stock shots--I thought this was going to be Juice or Squirt sized.
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I think it's hard to complain about them given the very low price point. Though I'm still less than convinced about the file shape. Lets see what they cost when they come to the UK though. ::)
I reckon £45.
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Why is England so down on locking blades, they want more accidents in the health-care system?
Those weird english government folk think that locking blades are the reason for accidents in the health care system... :think:
If only they knew better...
(I meant no offense to anyone related to England, a government, a health care system, or a locking blade)
:D
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Grant do these two new tools have locking Blades ? If they do lock and they are replacing the non locking Kick I think that is a bad move .
Dunc
The inside tools don't look "locking" but more of the pressure-spring type seen on PST & Juice. Not sure I like that, would rather had them like the original Super Tool. But the liner locks look to be there.
Why is England so down on locking blades, they want more accidents in the health-care system?
Given the actual carry laws in other Counties I still think the UK ( :pok:) has it relatively easy. ;)
It's not even a Statute Law, it's a bit of Case Law i.e some layer convinced a Judge that a lock effectively makes a folding knife into a fixed knife.
The Statute Law says you need a good specific reason to have a fixed blade ( i.e a gutting knife for a fisherman) but no reason to have a folding knife with a cutting edge of less than three inches. So the Case Law basically redefined locking knives as fixed blades, not folders. ::)
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I think it's hard to complain about them given the very low price point. Though I'm still less than convinced about the file shape. Lets see what they cost when they come to the UK though. ::)
I reckon £45.
I think that's too much :-\
I think if Leatherman are aiming at a certain end of the market then that should be the case across the board. A Wave sells for approx £70 here. If it was me I'd be thinking 'should I save a bit more and get this fancy Wave?' :think:
These should be priced so low that buying one is a no brainer. The Gerber Suspension seems to sell well from Amazon; it is currently £30 but I think it went as though as £22 / 23 :o :ahhh
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I think it's hard to complain about them given the very low price point. Though I'm still less than convinced about the file shape. Lets see what they cost when they come to the UK though. ::)
I reckon £45.
I think that's too much :-\
I think if Leatherman are aiming at a certain end of the market then that should be the case across the board. A Wave sells for approx £70 here. If it was me I'd be thinking 'should I save a bit more and get this fancy Wave?' :think:
These should be priced so low that buying one is a no brainer. The Gerber Suspension seems to sell well from Amazon; it is currently £30 but I think it went as though as £22 / 23 :o :ahhh
You can get a Wave for £70 but full retail is more like £100 isn't it? :-\ Heck, the Fuse is supposed to be something like £60. ::) So if full retail was around £45 (and that seems like a slightly optimistic guess, but hopefully not more) then we might reasonably be able to pick one of these up for about £30.
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Lets hope the price is reasonable. Would make nice gifts for a few folk I know.
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For the price point, the Wingman looks extremely attractive to me. I'm somewhat fond of it honestly. It may just find itself onto my "must buy" list.
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I`m much more interested in that camo Blast with the new locks. Any intel on that jewel boss.
Somebody has a keen eye! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/smileys/magglass.gif)
:D
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I knew something looked off about that Blast, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
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im not tto pleased like a few people with leathermans new ways im thinking the victorinox are now the best multitools out there for normal people obviously leathermans higherspec stuff is great and i will not doubt that but some sillys moves have been made already this year.
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Not having seen the new stuff , can't really comment . That said , what they have rolled out is pretty dissapointing ! I was hoping for follow on MUT types , and maybe a tweaked Skelle .
Chris
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I like the Wingman/Sidekick because it is entry level. I agree that LM has made a couple questionable choices of late, but I think this move is a good one. It helps take some of the market currently held by cheap knockoffs and no-name tools. That's a huge chunk of buyers right there. If someone can get a $30 Wal Mart brand tool, or a $30 LM, there's a fair share of buyers who will take the LM. Having an entry level tool like this is, and one with an interesting design to boot, will be a big boost to LM. Myself,I think it'll be great to be able to get a cheapo beater multi without having to buy some POS knockoff.
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I like the Wingman/Sidekick because it is entry level. I agree that LM has made a couple questionable choices of late, but I think this move is a good one. It helps take some of the market currently held by cheap knockoffs and no-name tools. That's a huge chunk of buyers right there. If someone can get a $30 Wal Mart brand tool, or a $30 LM, there's a fair share of buyers who will take the LM. Having an entry level tool like this is, and one with an interesting design to boot, will be a big boost to LM. Myself,I think it'll be great to be able to get a cheapo beater multi without having to buy some POS knockoff.
That's a valid point.
If pumping out these lower price point tools allows them to continue their higher quality, higher priced tool development, then I'm all for it.
...and don't forget, they're backing these with their 25 year warranty as well. :tu:
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That was something I asked about- would these entry level tools be covered by the same 25 year warranty, and the answer was yes. Leatherman will still stand behind them 100% as the quality of manufacture hasn't changed on these, even though the fit and finish may not be up to their usual standard.
I know many of us are going to get one or the other (or more likely both) simply because we are hardcore junkies, but Leatherman stands to make a killing with these, running them at this price point. You will start to see these at Ace Hardware, Wal Mart, Home Depot, B&Q and pretty well anywhere else you can buy tools. Leatherman is using these to introduce the Leatherman brand to people who wouldn't spend a lot on a tool, who know nothing about tools, and who wouldn't normally even put enough effort or thought into one to bother doing research on sites like this one to find out about which one is best.
I's an interesting concept, and I'm sure with the sheer volume of tools they are likely to sell at that price point that they will make a fortune, even if they only make a dollar off each one.
Def
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Grant are we going to see some more camo Blasts like the one in the pic you posted earlier? :)
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It's also about building brand loyalty from people who normally wouldn't look twice at LM. Get people who would normally grab a no-name tool to buy these. Most everyone has at least heard of LM, so seeing one they can afford will entice a lot of buyers, after that, when they see the quality is better than X brand they are likely to buy another LM down the road, possibly something more like a Wave.IT's a brilliant move by LM IMO. As long as the quality is up to snuff it could be a huge new market for them. I may rip on Gerber a lot, but a TON of people buy them. So long as the quality is at about Gerber level, which while not that great, is still a bit better than knockoffs, then they may grab a lot of Gerber's thunder, especially if the quality winds up being above the likes of the Suspension, etc. I think this will mark the first real competition Gerber has had at the low-end of the name brand market and may force them to start upping their quality since price alone won't be as big a factor any more. The entry level multi world may be about to start getting a lot more interesting.
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Grant are we going to see some more camo Blasts like the one in the pic you posted earlier? :)
I would like to know this as well, looks interesting.
I think the sidekick/wingman will sell tons, and it would be a good thing if people replace their no name junk with a good quality tool. So no doubt it's a great move for LM to make as it will get them in the cheaper market.
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I am thinking i want one of each. For me i am liking smaller lighter tools. They are just easier for me to carry. So they are smaller (i don't know if they are lighter) and they are priced low and should be easy to find in big box stores. I hope the tools work well like Leatherman is know for. After reading this thread i can see that leatherman along with other multi tool companies have missed. Why not when designing a multi tool make it so you can remove the blade and lock so all your tools could be used all over the world. All so sell replacement TH blades with install tools for those that need them to make their tools leagel in their countrys. I find it hard to compare leathermans new tools the Gerber Suspension. The Suspension is heavy odd sized for me to pocket carry and heavy in a pouch on my belt. The tools are the real question on the new Leatherman tools if they live up to their past reputation i am thinking they will be a lot better than gerbers.
Mike
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The SOG Powerlock, and Pocket Power Plier already do exactly everything you just asked for.
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The SOG Powerlock, and Pocket Power Plier already do exactly everything you just asked for.
Yes but, crucially*, the sales of the Powerlock and the PPP don't make Leatherman any money. :D
Crucially for Leatherman anyway. ;)
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I wonder if it will matter that the inside tools don't lock. Gerber tools do. It will be interesting to see if it makes a difference.
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I'm in the press room at the show on my netbook, so I can't post pictures yet, but I did go back to Leatherman today and took a lot more detailed shots which I'll post when I get back to the hotel.
I'm knocking off early today- my bad foot is killing me!
Def
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Leatherman is using these to introduce the Leatherman brand to people who wouldn't spend a lot on a tool, who know nothing about tools, and who wouldn't normally even put enough effort or thought into one to bother doing research on sites like this one to find out about which one is best.
So these are for stupid people then? ;)
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Some might not of expected these tools from Leatherman, but I had my suspicions. After putting out a top line of expensive and niche like tools, it seems that they are now looking to pump some out in mass. they are looking to almost recession proof themselves, which is hard to blame. In the mean time, they are also tapping into a potential new market. Hitting two birds with one stone in the retail marts. A great business move, in my opinion.
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Some might not of expected these tools from Leatherman, but I had my suspicions. After putting out a top line of expensive and niche like tools, it seems that they are now looking to pump some out in mass. they are looking to almost recession proof themselves, which is hard to blame. In the mean time, they are also tapping into a potential new market. Hitting two birds with one stone in the retail marts. A great business move, in my opinion.
A very fair point. It's absolutely worth keeping in mind that the Kick and Fuse (surely their current 'everyman' designs and the ones being replaced) will be seven year old designs this year so they're getting on a bit. Only the Juice and the Micra are older and still in production.
Actually I was surprised to read in out time-line just how long the Juice range has been around; 2001, Who'd have though? :)
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Leatherman is using these to introduce the Leatherman brand to people who wouldn't spend a lot on a tool, who know nothing about tools, and who wouldn't normally even put enough effort or thought into one to bother doing research on sites like this one to find out about which one is best.
So these are for stupid people then? ;)
I resent that.
:P
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Who wants pictures? :D
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Wingtools.jpg)
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(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Clam02.jpg)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Clam.jpg)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Blade.jpg)
Enjoy!
Def
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Funny, Gerber is finally putting longer usable drivers and such on their new
tools, and Leatherman seems to be going with the short and stubbies, and
is that not a 3D phillips driver on the Wingman? What the hell is going on
here? :D
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Ahhh, I get it now. :salute: I didn't understand what you meant earlier about the new "push out" screwdrivers. But now I do. Thats the phillips and the flathead there in the top photo...just push on them through the cutout in the handle to get them started opening. Pretty slick. :tu:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Edge.jpg)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Drivers.jpg)
Enjoy!
Def
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Great pics! These have grown on me a lot, I'll end up with at least one of them. The "push through" tools are a neat design. I wish the file wasn't so stubby though.
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I'm getting a weird "2.5 D" feeling from the Phillips. Like it's 3D for, say, Phillips #1, but 2D for #2 and 3s?
I have some respect for the cost-cutting ethic at work here, but it'll be a question of quality of materials if they hold up. Using thinner stock for the tools, more stamping and less casting, and considerably less finish machining means they can turn the tool out on the cheap...I'm just hoping the steel they're using is one that's actually strong enough to stand up to use at that thickness.
Just wondering...do these clump? I figure the between-tool washers would be gone as a cost cutting measure as well.
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Dear LM, please come out with "enthusiast" versions. Here's what I want in a Wingman CX: PE, upgraded steel blade, awl instead of the package opener, and a dedicated small driver (like on the Spirit). MSRP $40, available for $30. I want one so bad. I wouldn't buy one myself here's my idea for a Sidekick CX: same blade as the Wingman CX, and a diamond file instead of the regular file. Replace the serrated blade with an awl. MSRP $50 available for $40. Please, please, please.
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I honestly think they nailed the Wingman. For it's intended market it's about perfect. Sure I'd like to see a longer file, get rid of the damned bottle opener already and put something more useful in there, but as an inexpensive, light duty EDC I think it's very very well done. I almost wanna say lose the package opener, but for it's target demographic I actually think it's a decent idea. There's almost no way I won't buy one of these. For what they should cost on the street I am very, very sold.
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Any idea what they weigh? I see the clip and just wonder how much heavier than the Kick these tools will be. Are the pliers the same size as the kick? So many questions :o
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I'm not the target market but the lack of locking inside tools will probably stop me from buying either one. I know Leatherman was cutting costs but the inside tools should lock. I wonder if Gerber will use that in their advertising like they did before the original Supertool came out.
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Forgot to mention. If the street price is around 30 USD for the Sidekick it could be problematic for Leatherman. The Blast only costs around 37 USD.
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Not having seen the new stuff , can't really comment . That said , what they have rolled out is pretty dissapointing ! I was hoping for follow on MUT types , and maybe a tweaked Skelle .
Chris
There ale also other users who need something different - Leatherman reached out to these people. That is also a smart marketing move. When someone buys a good but nto the best tools in Leatherman arsenal just to check it out I'm sure when he/she likes it he will buy a full size tool sooner or later.
Leatherman makes such fantastic and of high quality tools we don't get new MUTs new waves each year! It takes time to design, test and finally manufacture the tool - and that (+warranty) makes these tools so very special.
Dear LM, please come out with "enthusiast" versions. Here's what I want in a Wingman CX: PE, upgraded steel blade, awl instead of the package opener, and a dedicated small driver (like on the Spirit). MSRP $40, available for $30. I want one so bad. I wouldn't buy one myself here's my idea for a Sidekick CX: same blade as the Wingman CX, and a diamond file instead of the regular file. Replace the serrated blade with an awl. MSRP $50 available for $40. Please, please, please.
Package opener is very useful if someone has not carried or used a knife before or is simply afraid to damage the item in the parcel.
Secondly it's too thin to change it into an awl - it would either require to choose much higher grade steel (much higher price!) or making an awl than can easily break - LM is not going either way.!
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Hi,
the
About the camo Blast shown in the first pictures. The camo is very similar to that used on the camo Blast done for Academy Sports in tlate 2006 or early 2007. However, the camo one in these pictures has the second model locks which came out in 2009.
Best - Joe
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Leatherman is using these to introduce the Leatherman brand to people who wouldn't spend a lot on a tool, who know nothing about tools, and who wouldn't normally even put enough effort or thought into one to bother doing research on sites like this one to find out about which one is best.
So these are for stupid people then? ;)
I resent that.
:P
So you are saying you fit Grant's described criteria then?
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I can't see the pics. :cry: "Bandwidth Exceeded" or some such. :ahhh
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Try this instead: clicky (http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/Multitooldotorg/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/)
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Try this instead: clicky (http://s253.photobucket.com/albums/hh45/Multitooldotorg/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/)
Good man Nikos! :salute:
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BTW if that still doesn't work for viewing the larger versions, logging into photobucket (if you have an account there) does the job. :tu:
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I'm speechless. These tools look beyond awesome and it's nice to know most everyone will be able to afford one. I can't wait to get ahold of a Wingman :drool: :ahhh
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To me it seems these new tools are to the Juice line what Wave/Charge/Surge tools are to the older-style full-size ones. Perhaps we'll see some parts of the Juice family phased out in the not-so-far future?
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LM posted some pics and specifications on Facebook. At 3.8" long and 7 oz, I wouldnt describe them as "pocket friendly" (quote from LMs Facebook page). My Juice S2 is about as big and heavy (4.1 oz) as I want to have banging against my leg all day.
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Just posted this on their FB:
"Are the Wingman & the Sidekick gonna be made with two-hand opening blades for the Danish Market.?
The Kick and Juice are the only legal EDC Leatherman tools here, so I really would like to know now you're retiring the Kick.."
Hopefully I'll get an answer.. :think:
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smiller43147,
Thanks for posting the weight, I was curious. I couldn't find that on their FB page, do you have a link?
I'll order a wingman once it's available. I most always have a leatherman on me, usually my PSTII, but outside opening scissors and knife will be great. It seems like a larger version of the S2, but... better. I never found the s2 to be up to any real duty.
To anybody who has seen this in person: how large are the scissors, say compared to the S2? Is the blade similar to a freestyle?
Counting down till september...
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I suppose that is aimed at me, since I'm pretty certain I'm the only one who has seen them in person.
The scissors look to be the same size as on the Juice series, but I didn't put them side by side to tell for sure. The blade didn't seem as nice as the one on the Freestyle, but then these were pre-production models I saw, and the production versions are likely to be a bit better finished than these were, so it's hard to judge at this point.
Def
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I'm in!
"These are the Fall models coming out in September of 2011."
Fall!? *Slits wrists, dies*
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I'm in!
"These are the Fall models coming out in September of 2011."
Fall!? *Slits wrists, dies*
It could be worse they could be new SOGs :D
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I like them. LM is trying to get the one-handed opening blades on a lower-pricepoint tool, and THAT is an idea full of win. :tu:
Wingman: it looks like Leatherman may have developed some decent scissors. I haven't seen a LM w/ decent scissors since the original Wave.
I think the sidekick and wingman look promising for their intended market.
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Hi,
the
About the camo Blast shown in the first pictures. The camo is very similar to that used on the camo Blast done for Academy Sports in tlate 2006 or early 2007. However, the camo one in these pictures has the second model locks which came out in 2009.
Best - Joe
Thanks for the info Joe. :tu: But I`d like to find out if Leatherman is going to start selling these in the US. There are several sellers in the UK that carry these but dont ship to the US. Since it was in the pic with the new tools I was hoping they were going to be sold here also.
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LM posted some pics and specifications on Facebook. At 3.8" long and 7 oz, I wouldnt describe them as "pocket friendly" (quote from LMs Facebook page). My Juice S2 is about as big and heavy (4.1 oz) as I want to have banging against my leg all day.
The clip is what will make them "pocket friendly, in relation to other LM tools at least. It'll be 1/4" shorter, probably 1/4"-1/3" thinner, and 1.5oz lighter than the clipped Wave that I pocket carry now. I'll need to handle them both side-by-side to decide if the trade-off is enough to get a Wingman, but I'm thinking it might be.
One thing I'm not totally on board with here (besides the weird-o file) is that the lanyard and pocket clip are on opposite ends of the tool. I *like* that the clip is now plier-end, as that'll prevent the tool from spreading like my Wave occasionally does, but now it'll be harder to have the lanyard sticking out of my pocket to grab. I know they had to do it that way to work with the plier-side-mounted knife and scissors, but I'm all picky :P
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I've got mixed feelings about these.
1. I'm not a fan of combo edges, especially if there is a serrated edge elsewhere on the tool.
2. the wood/metal file looks to be far to short.
3. that Phillips still doesn't fill me with full 3D confidence
BUT!
4. sprung pliers are an excellent feature
5. I like having outside accessible tools
6. they're so cheap!
OK I know these are only prototypes so there might still be changes. So LM, if you're listening; drop the CE main blade, do something to convince us that the file is worthwhile or bin it and move the flat driver into it's space and make the Phillips fully 3D. OR totally ignore me and do what you like. :D
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Excellent points all around Gareth! :salute: I agree entirely.
Although the combo edge blade and the semi-flat phillips don't bother me as much as that ridiculously short file. ::) Hmmm, it doesn't seem like it would be as objectionable though if it were a diamond grit file. :think: Diamond files can still be useful even if they are short, but regular toothed files need to have as long a "stroke" as possible.
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I've got mixed feelings about these.
1. I'm not a fan of combo edges, especially if there is a serrated edge elsewhere on the tool.
2. the wood/metal file looks to be far to short.
3. that Phillips still doesn't fill me with full 3D confidence
BUT!
4. sprung pliers are an excellent feature
5. I like having outside accessible tools
6. they're so cheap!
OK I know these are only prototypes so there might still be changes. So LM, if you're listening; drop the CE main blade, do something to convince us that the file is worthwhile or bin it and move the flat driver into it's space and make the Phillips fully 3D. OR totally ignore me and do what you like. :D
These are not prototypes:)
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now for the big question, When will it be on the market??
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Hi there-
Juli from Leatherman...Just got back from SHOT Show and thought for those of you who weren't able to see our Facebook post about the idea behind these, I would post it here for you. OKay now back to bed to battle the flu that i caught on the plane ride home :) Take care all!
The idea here was to eventually replace the older Kick and Fuse with two new models that not only have tons of features, but also an updated look – including the outside accessible blades/features like the Wave. The best part is we’re going to be offering these at a very wallet-friendly MSRP of $29.99 for the Wingman and $39.99 for the Sidekick. And no we didn’t go overseas to make these :) Keeping those jobs right here in Portland.
So you’re probably wondering what’s in these little guys…Oh and “little” is not just a fun word here. These are actually on a bit smaller fame than our normal “full-size” tools where they measure 4” closed. The Wingman and Sidekick are pocket friendly and pretty light. I’ve listed the size measurements below with the specs.
After about a year of consumer, “channel” (the retailers and what they want) research, materials and manufacturing research and testing, these two models are a very strong answer to what we found people were looking for. Many of you are seasoned multi-tool owners. The Sidekick and Wingman are definitely geared more for the first-time buyer. Someone who may not be familiar with how helpful a multi-tool can be, but isn’t sure they want to invest just yet in a Wave, or Skeletool, or maybe a Super Tool looks like a little more than they’ll need.
I know many of you will still have questions about why we did or did not add this feature or that, but the best answer I can give you is that you HAVE to find the happy medium and remember the target audience you are going for. With all our research and the answers we were given coupled with what the buyers will take...These are just that. A medium of features and price-point made right here.
Thanks all!
Sidekick SPECS
Stainless Steel Body
Spring-action Needlenose Pliers
Spring-action Regular Pliers
Wire Cutters
420HC Combo Knife
420HC Serrated Knife
Saw
Wood/Metal File
Ruler (1 in | 2.54 cm)
Small Screwdriver
Medium Screwdriver
Phillips Screwdriver
Bottle Opener
Can Opener
Wire Stripper
Carabiner Bottle Opener
Removable Pocket Clip
Lanyard Ring
Closed Length: 3.8 in | 9.7 cm
Blade Length: 2.6 in | 6.6 cm*
Weight: 7.0 oz | 198.4 g
Wingman SPECS
Stainless Steel Body
Spring-action Needlenose Pliers
Spring-action Regular Pliers
Wire Cutters
420HC Combo Knife
Package Opener
Wood/Metal File
Scissors
Small Screwdriver
Medium Screwdriver
Phillips Screwdriver
Ruler (1 in | 2.54 cm)
Bottle Opener
Can Opener
Wire Stripper
Removable Pocket Clip
Closed Length: 3.8 in | 9.7 cm
Blade Length: 2.6 in | 6.6 cm*
Weight: 7.0 oz | 198.4 g
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I've got mixed feelings about these.
1. I'm not a fan of combo edges, especially if there is a serrated edge elsewhere on the tool.
2. the wood/metal file looks to be far to short.
3. that Phillips still doesn't fill me with full 3D confidence
BUT!
4. sprung pliers are an excellent feature
5. I like having outside accessible tools
6. they're so cheap!
OK I know these are only prototypes so there might still be changes. So LM, if you're listening; drop the CE main blade, do something to convince us that the file is worthwhile or bin it and move the flat driver into it's space and make the Phillips fully 3D. OR totally ignore me and do what you like. :D
These are not prototypes:)
In the words of Julie herself (1:21-ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCIhp5Yhi8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCIhp5Yhi8&feature=player_embedded#)!
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
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In fairness the term 'pre-production' might be better than 'prototype'.
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
Oh pish posh - you did fine! :tu: :D
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Juli,
Thanks for the semi-official response. :salute:
After seeing Grant's pictures of the tools, I like the size. The file looks pretty short (and honestly not of the same quality) as other Leathermans (one of the tools I use most), but as I've said before, if it's got the Leatherman 25 year warranty, it's got to be Leatherman quality. :tu:
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I wonder if the scissors will be more like the Surge, and if the clam-shell opern er will adopt a thread-loop and semi-awl conversion with it? :D
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
Oh pish posh - you did fine! :tu: :D
Agreed, there was nothing wrong with that at all. BTW if you do a search for 'leatherman shot 2011' on youtube you're in the top two videos. :D
Oh and the fact you managed to cover all the pertinent features, on more than one tool, in less than 25 minutes, gives you a huge leg up over a Nut'n'fancy video IMO. :D
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
So, it was good. Nice, fast and you pretty well showed all the important bits on two tools in less than 4 minutes. Even though I'm rather far from a beginner MT collector/buyer/user, I do like the Wingman.
Any chance the carabiner and case will be sold seperately?
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
Oh pish posh - you did fine! :tu: :D
Agreed, there was nothing wrong with that at all. BTW if you do a search for 'leatherman shot 2011' on youtube you're in the top two videos. :D
Oh and the fact you managed to cover all the pertinent features, on more than one tool, in less than 25 minutes, gives you a huge leg up over a Nut'n'fancy video IMO. :D
Amen to that!!! :hu: :D
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
Juli,
You did well. And by the way, we always pick things apart. :-). Hope you feel better.
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Oh crap! I can't believe they actually decided to publish that...Where was Nutnfancy when I needed him :)
Juli :o
Hey Juli. Just wanted to say I'm glad you (well... they... :D) put a face to the name. Welcome aboard lass. :cheers:
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Thanks Juli!!
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I haven't seen any specs & was wondering how the Wingman compares to the Juice S2 in size & weight.
Anybody know?
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Some of the specifications are on an earlier page of this thread but I am not sure what page it will be on your browser. It is page seven on mine. Hope this helps.
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Some of the specifications are on an earlier page of this thread but I am not sure what page it will be on your browser. It is page seven on mine. Hope this helps.
It totally helps. :)
Thanks, Tsquare. :thumbsup:
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i know I'll be picking up a wingman
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Thanks for the preview. I really like them. Good selection of tools, outside locking blades, and nice scissors. The clamshell opener looks like a nice idea - I hope that finds its way onto the bigger tools.
I personally hate to see high-end manufacturers outsourcing their entry-level products to China. The fact that Leatherman is NOT doing that is a big selling point for me. As they'll be showing up in the fall they'll make good Christmas gifts (a great way to hook someone into our hobby).
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Glad to be of assistance cf.
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Thanks for the preview. I really like them. Good selection of tools, outside locking blades, and nice scissors. The clamshell opener looks like a nice idea - I hope that finds its way onto the bigger tools.
I personally hate to see high-end manufacturers outsourcing their entry-level products to China. The fact that Leatherman is NOT doing that is a big selling point for me. As they'll be showing up in the fall they'll make good Christmas gifts (a great way to hook someone into our hobby).
+1. I love that they are still making them in USA.
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That is great that these will be made in the USA. I'll buy one to try it. If it's just a little finish work here and there that keep these cheap, that's fine with me, some stoning here and there will fix any burrs ect. as long as the steel and the heat treat is still good. Sounds like it though, since I see the blades are still 420HC. I clip carry my Wave and Charge sometimes and these should be just as good for that, I'm leaning toward the one with the saw over the scissors right now, as I love my ALX and it doesn't have scissors, so I'm used to living without them sometimes.
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What is the plier cutter type?
New Pinch Cutters or Scissor cutters like Wave?
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The collector in me wants these new tools because LM is going a new direction and weather they pan out or not i think they will be collectible. The tool user in me is hopping i like the size of the tools and how they function. I know the tight wad in me is going to like the price. I am going to pre order both as soon as soon as i can.
Mike
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What is the plier cutter type?
New Pinch Cutters or Scissor cutters like Wave?
I believe they are anvil or pinch style, not bypass or scissor style.
Def
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I'm hoping the tip of that little file is a small screwdriver. The wingman looks like it could be my new EDC (replacing SAK soldier&bladeless). Lack of a small driver would be a deal breaker though.
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You know the more I think about these the more they grow on me....
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I've got mixed feelings about these.
1. I'm not a fan of combo edges, especially if there is a serrated edge elsewhere on the tool.
2. the wood/metal file looks to be far to short.
3. that Phillips still doesn't fill me with full 3D confidence
BUT!
4. sprung pliers are an excellent feature
5. I like having outside accessible tools
6. they're so cheap!
OK I know these are only prototypes so there might still be changes. So LM, if you're listening; drop the CE main blade, do something to convince us that the file is worthwhile or bin it and move the flat driver into it's space and make the Phillips fully 3D. OR totally ignore me and do what you like. :D
These are not prototypes:)
In the words of Julie herself (1:21-ish)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCIhp5Yhi8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCIhp5Yhi8&feature=player_embedded#)!
very cool, but i want beefy scissors and a saw :D :ahhh
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im thinking about buying a
charge tti, juice xe6? , MUT, PS4
not for those who dont know:S they cost!!! ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
now im the type of people that dont care for the shiny new stuff as long as the old stuff does the job (and in this case doest it well)
but still i dont want to buy something with 700+ dollars:| and then leatherman releases new stuff:S
i saw the video of the new equepmint leatherman baught to the factory , is there any chance they will make new stuff real soon , or i should buy these now and if something new comes out buy the new stuff later (im not that rich you know i busted my ass for this money :S)
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im thinking about buying a
charge tti, juice xe6? , MUT, PS4
not for those who dont know:S they cost!!! ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!
now im the type of people that dont care for the shiny new stuff as long as the old stuff does the job (and in this case doest it well)
but still i dont want to buy something with 700+ dollars:| and then leatherman releases new stuff:S
i saw the video of the new equepmint leatherman baught to the factory , is there any chance they will make new stuff real soon , or i should buy these now and if something new comes out buy the new stuff later (im not that rich you know i busted my ass for this money :S)
I believe they won't be out untill September. The Camo Fuse is apparently out though.
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I'm not feeling the new direction that LM is moving yet. I'd actually rather see them move backward a little instead of "forward" with these new designs. I'm sure I'll play with them if I ever get the chance, but I'm just not feeling it yet.
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I'm not feeling the new direction that LM is moving yet. I'd actually rather see them move backward a little instead of "forward" with these new designs. I'm sure I'll play with them if I ever get the chance, but I'm just not feeling it yet.
Seems to be a common wish around here. :) Hopefully they'll start listening.. ::)
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I'm not feeling the new direction that LM is moving yet. I'd actually rather see them move backward a little instead of "forward" with these new designs. I'm sure I'll play with them if I ever get the chance, but I'm just not feeling it yet.
Seems to be a common wish around here. :) Hopefully they'll start listening.. ::)
One would hope. :) But we've been begging for a revamped KF4 for how long now??? :D
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I'm not feeling the new direction that LM is moving yet. I'd actually rather see them move backward a little instead of "forward" with these new designs. I'm sure I'll play with them if I ever get the chance, but I'm just not feeling it yet.
Seems to be a common wish around here. :) Hopefully they'll start listening.. ::)
One would hope. :) But we've been begging for a revamped PST/PST II for how long now??? :D
Fixed. :D I would say welcome back, Kelly, but like Grant, I've been following your exploits on FB, so it doesn't seem like you've poofed at all. :)
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i still dont understand
these tools are sopposed to be 10cm long that means just like the wave/charge but the wave and charge can kick their asses
so... why are they making them???
if lets say they are the same size like the juice but with lock, one hand opening..... i would say ok ill buy one , but why do i need a multitool that costs like the wave but has way less things in it and is (maybe for me , maybe ill change my mind ) butt ugly :S
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i still dont understand
these tools are sopposed to be 10cm long that means just like the wave/charge but the wave and charge can kick their asses
so... why are they making them???
if lets say they are the same size like the juice but with lock, one hand opening..... i would say ok ill buy one , but why do i need a multitool that costs like the wave but has way less things in it and is (maybe for me , maybe ill change my mind ) butt ugly :S
They will sell for about half the price of the Wave. They are budget models.
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Yeah, they cost nowhere near what the Wave does. Less than half that in fact. LM is entering a price-point that they've never really gone after before, an entirely new market really. IMO it's more or less a direct assault on Gerber, as well as a way to take sales away from all the no-name knock-offs that exist in that price range. So long as the quality is at least 75%-80% of the quality of the Wave it should prove a brilliant way to get people who would otherwise never consider spending the money for a LM to become (hopefully) repeat LM customers. Ideally they will buy the next model up next time, instead of repeatedly buying cheap knock-offs and assuming all multis are built that way, or worse yet having a knockoff break and deciding that it's a waste of money to ever buy another multi again.
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Yeah, they cost nowhere near what the Wave does. Less than half that in fact. LM is entering a price-point that they've never really gone after before, an entirely new market really.
I wouldn't say that. The Kick sells for about $20 and the Fuse $30, which is about how much the new tools will sell for.
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I think they're just shooting they're foot. Leatherman is known for it's quality. You can by any chinese multitool for $5, and it will pretty much do the job ('till it breaks). I know these fellas come with the 25 year warranty, but I guess this warranty will strike back Leatherman.
Is Leatherman an expensive tool? So why me, living in Brazil, I have 2 (Cs4 and Surge), gave one to my father (charge AL and he himself have had 2 before that (PST II)? Because there's no match for them. These new tools will be expensive enough to worth the warranty and cheap enough to be misconsidered.
Also, no one wants a lesser tool for 25 years :twak:
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I think they're just shooting they're foot. Leatherman is known for it's quality. You can by any chinese multitool for $5, and it will pretty much do the job ('till it breaks). I know these fellas come with the 25 year warranty, but I guess this warranty will strike back Leatherman.
Is Leatherman an expensive tool? So why me, living in Brazil, I have 2 (Cs4 and Surge), gave one to my father (charge AL and he himself have had 2 before that (PST II)? Because there's no match for them. These new tools will be expensive enough to worth the warranty and cheap enough to be misconsidered.
Also, no one wants a lesser tool for 25 years :twak:
People buy the Kick and the Fuse. LM has proved they can make a good quality full size tool for $20-$30. I have no doubts about the quality.
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True about the fuse/kick, except around here at retail they tend to sell for closer to $50. I'm not kidding, that's what I see them on the shelf for. Also they don't sell overly well because of the dated design. The new tools finally have a much more modern design that will appeal to the same people that buy the Suspension based on it being "cool", thereby hopefully pulling in some sales from Gerber.
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I think they're just shooting they're foot....I know these fellas come with the 25 year warranty, but I guess this warranty will strike back Leatherman.
...Also, no one wants a lesser tool for 25 years :twak:
Considering you've never owned one nor I assume ever seen one or touched one in person, how is it you seem to know the quality is "lesser" or anything about their durability?
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Considering you've never owned one nor I assume ever seen one or touched one in person, how is it you seem to know the quality is "lesser" or anything about their durability?
I'm trying to get as much going as possible here, so I'm a bit sparse on the pics. I'll keep uploading more, but here's a few to get you started.
First off, these new tools, the Sidekick and Wingman are not what many of you expected, judging by the speculation I saw in the other thread. These are Leatherman's attempt to enter the ultra low price market. In fact....
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The MSRP on one is $29.99 and the other is $39.99. The Sidekick is to be the more expensive one, although for all intents and purposes both these tools are pretty well the same. The Sidekick has a wood saw, while the Wingman has scissors. The Wingman also has a clamshell opener, while the Sidekick has a serrated blade.
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The fancy leather pouch and carabiner come with the Sidekick, while the Wingman is sold as is.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/pbmirror/Leatherman/Sidekick%20Wingman/Difference.jpg)
These tools encompass a number of firsts for Leatherman- they have sprung pliers, they have a lower fit and finish and a super low price point as a result. The body also has an interesting cutout that allows the tools to be pushed out for use, which is kind of neat.
All in all they aren't bad at all, especially considering the price point. They aren't that exciting, but then they aren't meant to be. They will also be replacing the Fuse and Kick models, so if you want one of those, get 'em while they're hot!
Def
I'm just following the thoughts about the thread. We're discussing that here, aren't we?! These new tools are about lower price with lower finish. I'm talking about the idea of leatherman lowing their standarts when the reason itself to have an leatherman is the high quality of their tools - including finish. But that's just my opinion. Feel free to express yours. For me, they should be doing the oposite effort. Better and better tools with (near) flawless finishes.
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O.K., I see your point.
I suspect, however, since like everyone else here I haven't actually owned/used/seen these in person, that these tools are effectively just as good build quality and just as durable as all their other tools (hence the same 25yr warranty). They, Leatherman, of course can't say that publiclly, however, because doing so would effectivly be saying, "Which means all our other higher priced models are essentially rip offs/overpriced". They aren't about to do that now are they? So they play it off as, "These new, less expensive ones are our 'lesser quality' series".
If in the fall when these come out the concensus of reports is "They seem flimsy, less durable, and of lower quality than the others they make that I own. But I guess 'you get what you pay for'. " Then you will have been proven correct. If, however, reports are, "I don't understand what they mean by "lesser quality"; these seem just like all the other Leathermans I own." Then I will have been proven correct. Only time will tell.
See you in the fall...
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You can also find the product images from the Leatherman online library now :)
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Lets remember when discussing pricing, there's an important distinction to make between MSRP and street price. The Kick and Fuse may be available for $20 and $30, but their MSRP is much higher. The Sidekick and Wingman's MSRP is $20-30, meaning the tools coule be seen in the $15-20 range at select dealers.
Def
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Lets remember when discussing pricing, there's an important distinction to make between MSRP and street price. The Kick and Fuse may be available for $20 and $30, but their MSRP is much higher. The Sidekick and Wingman's MSRP is $20-30, meaning the tools coule be seen in the $15-20 range at select dealers.
Def
I agree with grant and would add that dealers usually pay half of msrp and distributors pay even less. It varies so this may not apply. It depends what the big retailers pay and charge. I bought a kick from walmart for 20 which is about wholesale so they may sell the wingman for about wholesale which is half of msrp. Most likely they will sell for more than wholesale. They are marking tools up more these days. The new wave was 52 dollars at walmart for a year when it came out in 04 and then moved to 70 dollars. That is a big difference.
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off topic:
anyone know if a new mini keychain tool was shown at shot show 2011 when the wingman and sidekick were unveiled?
Every time I use my PS4 I think about how much I'd like one with stainless scales..
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ok maybe im mistaking but if i am i want to know in what (A)
any how, the blast is 40$ just like the new one which is 40$
but come on loot at the deference, you get a real saw a big saw not a mini midget saw, you get a very small screwdriver a real 3d philips a big strong pliers
but with the new one you get.... immmmm .... what exactly? as i see it the only good thing is the one hand opening knife , and the knife looks small :S
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the blast is 40$ just like the new one which is 40$
No, they aren't the same price at all. The new ones have a much lower list price and consequently we can assume street price as well. See: Grant Lamontagne's post
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but come on loot at the deference, you get a real saw a big saw not a mini midget saw
Yes, unfortunately the Blast has an awkwardly long saw blade which therefor puts more lateral torque on the hinge if it binds, makining it more likely to snap off. To add insult to injury it is hard to negotiate in tight areas like reaching into a small space your hand will barely fit, as is, say reaching up into an engine compartment from under a car or into a densely wired audio rack to severe a nylon wire tie bundle. I actually like the more compact and lighter design of the new ones but I can see how some people prefer their EDC pocket tools to be as heavy as possible and to take up as much room in their pockets as possible, so apparently different people have different needs. :)
One handed, external, locking knife blade open is the only way to fly, as far as I'm concerned, making it much faster and easier to get the blade out and well worth paying even extra for, (even though these new tools are actually less), and I doubt I'll ever buy another multi-tool that works otherwise. This isn't a trivial difference in my mind; it is a major one.
I also like the externally visible Philip's and straight screwdriver pictograph icons so its easy to find which tool you are looking for without having to open each one to examine it.
I've never used sprung jaw Leathermans (nor has anyone else since these new ones are the first to offer them) but I can tell you that with other pliers it can be really useful, especially when your other hand is occupied holding something else like a soldering gun and whacking your pliers against your work bench to free its grip of the delicate electronics you are holding which are sticking is not something you want to have to do. I suspect this too will end up being a "must have" design aspect but only time will tell.
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I not sure about the tools but I do want one of those carabiners.... 8)
MT.O Run... :pok: :pok:
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off topic:
anyone know if a new mini keychain tool was shown at shot show 2011 when the wingman and sidekick were unveiled?
Every time I use my PS4 I think about how much I'd like one with stainless scales..
Nope. The closest thing there was to a new keychain tool was the carabiner tool that comes with the Wingman. I was very impressed with the carabiner, although to me it seems like more of a standalone tool or something to hold your keys than a method of carrying a multitool.
PLease note the following general info on retail pricing, as seen on SOSAKOnline (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=503&Itemid=35). For those that don't know, Leatherman has a MAP policy in place, and has for years.
Recently there was a bit of a hubbub generated about Victorinox instituting and enforcing Minimum Advertised Pricing (MAP) on their dealers, causing Tim at Felinevet to raise the prices of certain models in his store. Some of you may have noticed, some may not, and others may have read about it on the forums. Well, I have been meaning to address the issue for the benefit of everyone for some time now, to dispel any rumors or concerns folks may have regarding this.
Some background on retail pricing policy is necessary here for those who have no understanding of the process. A company like Victorinox produces an item and sells to the authorized dealer for a certain amount of money. That price is doubled to make what is referred to as the Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP), also known as the List Price. The retailer then sells the item somewhere bewteen MSRP and his cost, based on competition, overhead and how much of a profit he/she wants/needs to make. For example, if a dealer purchases an item for $50.00, then the MSRP is $100, and the retailer will likely sell the item for $70. In this way, the manufacturer can claim that their product is worth $100, and the dealer can appear to be doing the customer a favor by selling him an item for 30% less than what it's valued at, making the customer happy, while the dealer still manages to cover his expenses and get paid. The percentages vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer, dealer to dealer, and item to item, but that's pretty well how the industry is set up.
Up until recently many sellers on eBay have been undercutting each other to the point where they are making almost no money- some have made up for it in volume, others have charged higher shipping rates to compensate, and some, simply were hobby dealers who don't mind only making a few cents here and there. What ultimately happened as a result of this, is that the knives started to be devalued, making it that much harder for website owners and brick & mortar dealers to compete.
So, Victorinox instituted a policy of Minimum Advertised Pricing, similar to that already in place with other knife/tool manufacturers, which states basically that while dealers can sell for less than MSRP (and in fact are encouraged to do so for the reasons mentioned above) they are not allowed to advertise any products below a certain price level. In the example above with the $100 MSRP that dealers payed $50 for, the price has dropped as each dealer tried to undercut the others until the price was more like $55 for an item valued at $100. Some dealers dropped out of selling as a result of not being lucrative enough to be worth their while. By the time one pays seller's fees and shipping, there isn't a lot left over, so Victorinox basically decreed that no authorized dealer can sell for less than a certain level- for example, $65 for the item in the example.
The issue here is that many eBay and other hobby dealers aren't Victorinox authorized dealers, but rather get their stock from an independant distributor such as Blue Ridge Knives, and so are not subject to MAP pricing. This is unfortunate, as many legitimate dealers like Tim are likely to feel a slight pinch, but then, many of them have been squeezed out by undercutting anyway.
As I said, MAP pricing is a practice in place by many manufacturers, and so it's not really a new thing. In Tim's case it's actually a good thing as the few extra dollars that he's being forced to make all goes to support The Feline Vetrinary Emergency Assistance Program, the reason behind Tim's entire dealership. Being an authorized Victorinox dealer does give Tim some benefits as well- he gets new models sooner than they can filter through distributors, he gets news from Victorinox that he shares with the community, and he will always have the best prices he can offer on any new items. Used items will always be at his discretion for pricing, as MAP pricing only covers new items.
This new pricing strategy from Victorinox has also convinced Tim to re-think the way he does business. Since he can no longer compete on eBay, he has decided to close down shop there and concentrate on his shop on SOSAKOnline and listings on EDCSource, which he has been doing plenty of- he has just over 80 items listed at the time I write this. With lower fees and a dedicated collector community, EDCSource will always have a spot for Tim, as well as all SOSAK members, whether they are buying or selling.
I hope this has clarified some of the questions some folks have had regarding this- and as always, feel free to leave comments here, or contact me with any thoughts, comments, questions etc.
Def
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If there was an MTO run I´d get a Sidekick for sure! I love the carabiner tool, and like to have clips on my gear. So ? :pok: :pok: :pok: :pok: :pok:
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Entirely possible. At the very least, we'll likely run a Multitool.org Group Buy on them. Harass Travis for details! >:D
Def
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For more info on MSRP and how retail pricing works, see this thread:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11187.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11187.0.html)
Def
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You know I'm genuinely surprised as to the very look-warm reception these tools have had here. :think: It's a $30 Leatherman folks! Sure I've had my questions as to the design; the small file, the combo edge plus serrated blade (now addressed), the lack of a small flat driver, but honestly people it's a full sized Leatherman for $30!
Plus look at all the cool features, OHO blade and saw, sprung pliers, ergonomic handles, did I mention that they're only $30?
I'm not going to even begin to speculate as to the the quality of the final versions until someone here as had a chance to give one of them a good workout and review. I will say though that Leatherman gets it right far more often than it gets it wrong, so lets have a little faith here, OK? :)
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The limited amount of fiddling and handling I had with it didn't raise any flags in my mind. They felt like Leatherman tools to me.
Def
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I think they look pretty good considering their price. I just hope in the future they offer plain edge versions and it also makes me sad they're retiring the Kick. I'm a big fan of the Kick. Yes it's "bare bones" but it's tougher than nails and still pocket carryable.
Is carryable a word? :think: :think:
Anyway, I like them. If they eventually come out with a plain edge model I could definitely see myself getting one.
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^"Pocketable" is a real word. Its one of the best things about these new ones, IMO, that and the sprung jaws.
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^"Pocketable" is a real word. Its one of the best things about these new ones, IMO, that and the sprung jaws.
nice. I agree...great features.
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Yeah Gareth has a point. If you actually look at what your getting for your money its Leatherman quality and innovation but smaller. Size wise we're looking at just above a Skele but with a load more versatility.
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Availibility: "Yes" ?! ???
http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-sidekick-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831429.html (http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-sidekick-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831429.html)
http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-wingman-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831426.html (http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-wingman-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831426.html)
I just randomly did a google shopping search and this unknown to me site popped up. I'm not endorsing them or anything, but thought to pass it along to the thread.
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I not sure about the tools but I do want one of those carabiners.... 8)
/agree :D
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are these available in the uk yet ? :think:
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Availibility: "Yes" ?! ???
http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-sidekick-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831429.html (http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-sidekick-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831429.html)
http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-wingman-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831426.html (http://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/leatherman-wingman-stainless-steel-multi-tool-831426.html)
I just randomly did a google shopping search and this unknown to me site popped up. I'm not endorsing them or anything, but thought to pass it along to the thread.
that may be a preorder?
I don't think they are for sale yet.
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It says they're available, somebody hurry up and buy one to verify it's real! I'm moving this summer, so I don't want to order, find out it's only a pre-order, and have it mailed to an old address.
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I believe September is when they will be released , that is if there is no production delays :think: :D :D :D
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some spec
Leatherman Wingman SPECS.
Stainless Steel Body
Spring-action Needlenose Pliers
Spring-action Regular Pliers
Wire Cutters
420HC Combo Knife
Package Opener
Wood/Metal File
Scissors
Small Screwdriver
Medium Screwdriver
Phillips Screwdriver
Ruler (1 in | 2.54 cm)
Bottle Opener
Can Opener
Wire Stripper
Removable Pocket Clip
Closed Length: 3.8 in | 9.7 cm
Blade Length: 2.6 in | 6.6 cm
Weight: 7.0 oz | 198.4 g
Leatherman Sidekick SPECS.
Stainless Steel Body
Spring-action Needlenose Pliers
Spring-action Regular Pliers
Wire Cutters
420HC Combo Knife
420HC Serrated Knife
Saw
Wood/Metal File
Ruler (1 in | 2.54 cm)
Small Screwdriver
Medium Screwdriver
Phillips Screwdriver
Bottle Opener
Can Opener
Wire Stripper
Carabiner Bottle Opener
Removable Pocket Clip
Lanyard Ring
Closed Length: 3.8 in | 9.7 cm
Blade Length: 2.6 in | 6.6 cm
Weight: 7.0 oz | 198.4 g
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Ooh, How did I miss this!? (I know how, but that's another issue)
I probably won't have to make the decision until 2015 when a container of these finally decides to wash up against our distant, obscure, and apparently uncharted shores.
From pictures alone I can't tell if I'm on board with this move or not.
A few of the latest Leatherman tools have not appealed to me - ie, the whole Skeletool family, cousins, smurf children etc.
(and since I'm slow to assimilate new things into my recognised reality) - The Squirts etc.
I like my tools boxy, metal, and solid.
I'll be sure to play with one as soon as I can, but the concept grates at me.
Yes yes, markets, niches, price points, consumer demands, etc.
But as soon as a company does one shoddy thing, I start to suspect their entire operations (possibly unjustly)
Add to that in my opinion the consumer is mostly an idiot, well established in their name "consumer"
I want one* tool that will do the job reliably and indefinitely. Same goes for Cars, Clothes, furniture etc.
By making cheaper, (lower quality? remains to be seen) tools, leatherman is encouraging a market I don't much like (for all my opinion matters to ol' Tim)
On the other hand, these tools are still covered by their generous warranty. Whether or not this is because they are a decent tool, sustainably manufactured, and able to be repaired as necessary or because they're made so cheap, Leatherman can bin them and send you a new one no worries is a separate line of enquiry.
My Greens-Voting** sustainable manufacture and eco rant aside, these look interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing how they fare, not so much as a business choice, but under the steely gaze and harsh criticism provided by MT.O for any interloper into our domain of fidgety little pocket thingos.
*in theory one, obviously I'm a bit of a fetishist and buy many, but not because I need them.
**Of course I don't vote Greens, their views on how to save the country are so short sighted and skewed to appeal to idiot voters that they are completely counter-productive. That and they promote budget cuts to the military.
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Wow, I can't believe that I missed this thread too (not that I was a site member when this was last active). I think when the Wingman comes out that it has a shot at being my new EDC. My Wave is nice, and I would keep it close at hand, but really is overkill.
I will be watching the local stores closely come August/September to see if I need to relieve them of their clearance-priced Kicks. That is how I scored a Core for $15 and a Gerber MP600 for $10 once upon a time. :D
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I think it would be cool to have a real beater leatherman- if it gets lost it's no big deal. I loaned my skele CX to my son last night and now it's bugging me cause it's not here. I hope he didn't lose it.
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old thread, but I still want that caribineer :drool:
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I just got my Charge AL in the mail today....but I think I'll get the Wingman too. I already use my Kick as my beater tool but I hate how it doesn't have scissors (I got it from work). Now I know why a lot of people in this forum has more than one multi tool. :)
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I just got my Charge AL in the mail today....but I think I'll get the Wingman too. I already use my Kick as my beater tool but I hate how it doesn't have scissors (I got it from work). Now I know why a lot of people in this forum has more than one multi tool. :)
I have 2. :rofl:
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I just got my Charge AL in the mail today....but I think I'll get the Wingman too. I already use my Kick as my beater tool but I hate how it doesn't have scissors (I got it from work). Now I know why a lot of people in this forum has more than one multi tool. :)
I have 2. :rofl:
I have..well, lets say it's more than two but a lot less than some folks here have.(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs9/i/2006/150/0/0/_whistle__by_ChaosEmeraldHunter.gif)
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How on Earth could anyone need more than two?! :o per room...and car...truck... bike...backpack
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I oftentimes have two. :)
(one in each hand) :D
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Damned biological limitations!
Def
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Alright alright I will patent my multitool that can be held in the mouth, so I can effectively use 3 tools at once.
Its not like I am already carrying more than 2 as it is.
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Hm, isn´t a hand a multitool? so 2 hands, two metal-tools, makes 4 in use :D
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I sent a email asking LM about the Sidekick & Wingman's release date & got this reply ;
Good Afternoon Mat,
Thank you for contacting us. September is still the date so far. You might try back as we get closer to see if we are still making that date.
Have a good day.
Sincerely,
Toni Mekkers
Customer Support
Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.
I wonder if there will be a delay in the tools release :think: ::) :D :D
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Alright alright I will patent my multitool that can be held in the mouth, so I can effectively use 3 tools at once.
(http://64.19.142.12/cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0032/5752/products/Lite-Bite_feature_01_large.jpg?100452) (http://www.niteize.com/products/lite-bite)
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September is still the date so far. You might try back as we get closer to see if we are still making that date.
Even if they're released on Sept, when do you think they'll be generally available on retailers?
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September is still the date so far. You might try back as we get closer to see if we are still making that date.
Even if they're released on Sept, when do you think they'll be generally available on retailers?
I would of thought fairly quickly with the US retailers getting first dibs :think: :think:
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September is still the date so far. You might try back as we get closer to see if we are still making that date.
Even if they're released on Sept, when do you think they'll be generally available on retailers?
I would of thought fairly quickly with the US retailers getting first dibs :think: :think:
Well it usually takes at least a month or two till it comes up on eBay at normal prices and reasonable shipping for us non-US residents. At least that was the case on the last releases of Skeletool, Style-s and the PS4.
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Off to Alaska on Wednesday with 4 - Leatherman Juice SC2, Leatherman Style CS, Victorinox Huntsman and Vic classic. should handle anything we need.
Cheers - Joe
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Off to Alaska on Wednesday with 4 - Leatherman Juice SC2, Leatherman Style CS, Victorinox Huntsman and Vic classic. should handle anything we need.
Cheers - Joe
i got a friend who is moving there. =)
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Off to Alaska on Wednesday with 4 - Leatherman Juice SC2, Leatherman Style CS, Victorinox Huntsman and Vic classic. should handle anything we need.
Cheers - Joe
especially if you need some scissors. :D Enjoy the trip. :tu:
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Off to Alaska on Wednesday with 4 - Leatherman Juice SC2, Leatherman Style CS, Victorinox Huntsman and Vic classic. should handle anything we need.
Cheers - Joe
especially if you need some scissors. :D Enjoy the trip. :tu:
lol true
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I am def going to be picking up a Wingman when it comes out. I switch between a wave and a charge AL normally but this 'lightweight' one will be great for weekends!
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The more I look at them the more I like them. My wife is gonna have a hissy fit. :twak:
But still PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep the Kick. It's perfect for the traveler. It's non locking so it's legal almost everywhere but it's still safe. With the handles closed the knife blade may pop out of the slip lock it cannot shut on your fingers, that's assuming you were holding the tool correctly. It's heavy duty but it's only 5.2 ounces. Outdoorsman appreciate the light weight but still rock solid build of it. And a full size and full strength multi-tool for a VERY reasonable price makes it a great 1st big multi-tool for a kid or to toss in a tool bag. PLEASE keep it. I'll buy more of them!!! :ahhh :ahhh :twak:
And I'm sorry for rambling. It's the medication. :drink:
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Trust me, the blades can still fold. I got two stitches in the end of my middle finger that can vouch for that.
Def
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I know it's off topic but how did you cut yourself? I've had the original fold and it just hit the other handle. Not saying it didn't happen just curious as to how.
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Trust me, the blades can still fold. I got two stitches in the end of my middle finger that can vouch for that.
With the handles closed the knife blade may pop out of the slip lock it cannot shut on your fingers, that's assuming you were holding the tool correctly.
:pok: :pok:
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Skeletool, MUT and now those two. Looks like Leatherman is moving all the tools to the design with one hand accessible blade/blades and the rest inside the tool. I would expect next step to be more holes in the frame and replaceable wire cutter blades on full size tools. Also asymmetrical handles...
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I can see myself getting a Wingman, I like the looks of it. I'm thinking about my next purchase, maybe I'll wait until September. Well, probably not....
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Naaah. I'll wait for something that can replace my Charge or Surge...
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Naaah. I'll wait for something that can replace my Charge or Surge...
Hmmmm......maybe I need to get a Charge or Surge so I can replace them with something new...
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Trust me, the blades can still fold. I got two stitches in the end of my middle finger that can vouch for that.
With the handles closed the knife blade may pop out of the slip lock it cannot shut on your fingers, that's assuming you were holding the tool correctly.
:pok: :pok:
This probably fits in with what you call incorrect holding, but I was using the tip to drill a hole in the cap of a gallon jug. My hand was over the butt of the tool with my fingers running more or less parallel to the body of the tool. The twisting motion caused the blade to fold, and since I was exerting some downward pressure, the tip of my finger went right into the serrated blade. For those keeping track, it was a PST II.
The reason I disagree with the incorrect holding theory is that the blade has a tip, and therefore should be able to be used like that. I've done it a thousand times with SAK blades and awls without issue.
Def
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Are you (like me) accident and injury prone? :pok:
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Not really- I just tend to think that blood is such a pretty color that it's a shame to keep it locked up all the time where no one can see it!
Def
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Yay bleeding!!!! :ahhh
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I just noticed that today the Wingman and Sidekick, although still not listed as being in stock, were both just bumped up in price at Amazon by about $5 USD each [as reflected in my "wishlist"]. This implies to me that dealers have just now been given terms (their exact price based on volume, payment period, etc), so I'm hoping that means they are shipping soon. :fingers crossed:
Update:
I also noticed this at Amazon: "This item will be released on October 15, 2011."
That's great!
Just a little over a week away! :)
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It's funny how these are available in the UK Already
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It's funny how these are available in the UK Already
You UK guys got too catch a break ever now and again ;) :D
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Hi,
Sidekick has been available here for about three weeks. Wingman about two weeks.
Best - Joe
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2 -3 weeks? Yet in this popular thread of over 13,000 views not a single person has posted that they bought either one, or commented, "I believe I may be the first here to get a production model through normal distribution; here's my review."?! Seems odd for what I thought was a greatly anticipated new series.
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2 -3 weeks? Yet in this popular thread of over 13,000 views not a single person has posted that they bought either one, or commented, "I believe I may be the first here to get a production model through normal distribution; here's my review."?! Seems odd for what I thought was a greatly anticipated new series.
Greatly anticipated indeed, which is no doubt why there are at least five other Sidekick or Wingman-related threads going in the Leatherman Forum. :)
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I'm not currently in any of those. Might you point me to one where there are current owners? Thanks.
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Certainly, here are a few: :)
Wingman meets the competition (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31526)
Sidekick wire cutters (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31696.0.html)
For Zed:Wingman meets the Wave (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31700.0.html)
clever,clever leatherman (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31639.0.html)
Buy the Sidekick for The STUFF (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,31712.0.html)
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Thanks.
As a heads up to all, the "big river in South America" , has an unusually low price today, almost a third off the MSRP, with free "super savings" shipping and no tax (depending on what state you live in), on the Sidekick [the more expensive one with saw, pouch, and fancy carabiner, but no scissors].
That's the best price I've ever seen on it including shipping. Act fast though cause they fluctuate on price almost daily.
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$31... Nice
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I am a full on Bro now- I picked up a Wingman today, and I already had a Sidekick, so I am good to go.
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I am a full on Bro now- I picked up a Wingman today, and I already had a Sidekick, so I am good to go.
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Good score homeslice! Now can you call it to your hand from your pocket yoda style like he does in the promo vid? :)
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No, but I'll bet Bob can- he's the one with Jedi Leatherman Powers:
Crunch Flipping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kzLUmzL630#)
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