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Title: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 06, 2009, 02:23:05 AM
Just got through cleaning up a decent Vic Champion that had obviously been through a rough past life.  It was grungy.  It's at least back to the functional state, though it needs a good bit more work. 

Just moved on to cleaning a couple Vic Huntsmans (Huntsmen?).    One's an older model with the fluted corkscrew and no hook, while the second one is a later model.  The older model is right up there with the Champion in the grunginess department.  The new model at first just looked a little gunked, but the closer you look...  The knife had obviously been heavily used.  The saw's teeth are packed with wood, and the sawblade has some sort of white, very sticky gunk plastered on it.  And, more annoying, the spring on the scissors is completely broken off.

Granted, like everybody else, I've seen knives in far worse shape, but...

(grumble, grumble...)

You know, I can be rather rough on tools.  I can be careless, and sometimes lazy about maintenance.  But, well...c'mon, folks....

Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Gareth on September 06, 2009, 02:33:57 AM
I know what you mean.  I take a certain pleasure in bringing a SAK back to working order, but I really don't understand how some of them end up so gunked up.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: jzmtl on September 06, 2009, 02:35:22 AM
Better pop off the scale and clean under it as well, I've read some, um interesting stories regard that.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: WhichDawg on September 06, 2009, 04:09:50 AM
for me, because I'm a nut, I enjoy cleaning them after usage.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 06, 2009, 04:55:45 AM
I do fall into the same sort of mentality as the mentioned in the article on Sosakonline about "Used SAKs".  I do kinda wonder where they came, what they were used for, blah blah blah.  But there are times I'd sort of like to time-jump backwards and give someone a swift kick...   :twak:

For example...  If you're going to apparently saw though laminated boards with a large layer of glue...  CLEAN THE @$%*! SAW AFTERWARDS!  Etc., etc.

Now, I'm going stop grumbling, and actually fix the SAKs...   :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: ICanFixThat on September 06, 2009, 05:14:55 AM
I opened packages today.... it was like Christmas... but now I have a few SAK waiting for a good scrubbing.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Black Rose on September 06, 2009, 08:32:01 AM
Better pop off the scale and clean under it as well, I've read some, um interesting stories regard that.
Yeah, that's one thing I wonder about with the various TSA forfeitures I get off of eBay.

I clean the toothpick and tweezer channels using a pipe cleaner with 99% isopropyl alcohol, and then repeat using another pipe cleaner with 70% isopropyl alcohol to disinfect them.

I buy new toothpicks for them even if i don't intend to carry them.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Benner on September 06, 2009, 12:49:25 PM
I love getting stuff like that.  :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on September 06, 2009, 02:23:52 PM
I love getting stuff like that.  :D

Good job I always send you ones full of budgie poo  >:D ;)

Be careful with the alcohol BlackRose, it damages the plastic scales  :ahhh
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Black Rose on September 06, 2009, 06:43:28 PM
Be careful with the alcohol BlackRose, it damages the plastic scales  :ahhh
Yeah, the little bit that gets on them leaves a white residue on them that I wipe off.

I plan on replacing the scales at some point.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 06, 2009, 10:19:04 PM
I managed to salvage a spring for the scissors off one of the junkers I'd picked up along the way.  Now, to get 'round to removing the spring residue from the damaged Huntsman...  Yeesh.

I actually washed these in water with a tiny drop of dishwashing soap in it.  Flushed them, let them dry, then used WD-40 on them.  (I know some people go  :ahhh over that, but it works for me, and I clean it up afterwards.)  I've used Simichrome to take REALLY bad stuff off of blades, etc.  (Mainly because I have a supply here, as it's widely used to clean the metal parts of fountain pens.)  The last thing I generally do is put a tiny drop of 3-in-1 on the joints.  Again, it works for me.  If I ever do any food prep (which, for me, is generally limited to peeling/cutting up fruit), I wash the blades.

So far, I've had no trouble.  But, then, I don't generally put my knives through massive amounts of sturm und drang, so...   :D

 :tool:
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 07, 2009, 09:26:54 PM
And a bit more grumbling...

I finally decided to fix up a Climber in the junk bin.  All it needs is a new set of scales, and a new spring in the scissors.  (I cannibalized the spring for the Huntsman...)  While digging through the bin to see if there was anything else I could maybe salvage, I hit a Wenger Backpacker that was only lacking the Wenger emblem, and a Wenger Tradesman with some chips out of the end of its scales.

I had a really bunged up low-end Wenger advertising knife and. well the choice between it and the Backpacker was easy.  I prysed the emblem out of the ad knife, and set it aside.  Then started to clean up the Backpacker.

And ran into a mess that made the Huntsman above look clean.  I'm not sure what the mass was gluing the the can opener and the saw together was, nor what the white substance is that's practically glued the screwdriver/caplifter into the handle...  The stuff on the can opener & saw sorta looked...well...organic...  I really don't want to know...  I dug off the worst of it, and now have the knife in some cleaner for a bit...

Good God...................

Who were these owners??  I really want to find them, and   :twak:
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: max6166 on September 08, 2009, 12:28:15 AM
My friend, you have not yet even come close to the worst substances that can be found in used SAKs. At least you are only dealing with inorganic matter...  :o :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 08, 2009, 02:21:05 AM
My friend, you have not yet even come close to the worst substances that can be found in used SAKs. At least you are only dealing with inorganic matter...  :o :D :D

Oh, I have my suspicions about the composition of whatever the Hades was in that Backpacker.   It looked like certain organic materials that shouldn'd be anywhere near a knife...    :ahhh

It actually got worse when I opened up the Tradesman...  I swear to God it looked like someone puked in that knife! :o    And it was packed down in the chassis of the knife.  I almost wanted a pressure washer to take this stuff out...

Maybe it's just because I'm coming from a background of repairing fountain pens, where the worst you get is generally a mass of 60 year old solidified ink (think something akin to blue-black concrete), or a melted filling bladder.  Occasionally you'll get a pen where some nasty little lifeform took root in the ink and made the pen it's home.  (This is colloquially referred to as "SITB", or "Slime in The Bottle".  You can generally smell it the minute you open a bad bottle of ink, or uncap a contaminated pen.)

I don't like cleaning a puke analog out of a knife...   :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: max6166 on September 08, 2009, 02:36:56 AM
Ok, I take it back. Sounds like you are starting to get a glimpse of some SAK horror sludge.  :D :D

Personally, I have developed strong misgivings about using any used SAK that hasn't been thoroughly disassembled before cleaning.

Removing scales is usually no longer enough for me if I plan on regularly using the SAK. I once thought I had cleaned a SAK thoroughly and EDCed it for a while. I later disassembled it and found some very nasty stuff hiding in the pivots and spacers.  :ahhh

And here's some general advice to everyone: Don't even trust a new toothpick unless you have removed the scales and cleaned inside first.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 08, 2009, 05:51:15 PM
Ok, I take it back. Sounds like you are starting to get a glimpse of some SAK horror sludge.  :D :D


 :D :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 08, 2009, 09:16:27 PM
'Course, I think I should correct myself.  I kept saying Tradesman, but this is a Handyman.  No pliers...   :oops:  My bad...

 :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on September 08, 2009, 09:44:42 PM
'Course, I think I should correct myself.  I kept saying Tradesman, but this is a Handyman.  No pliers...   :oops:  My bad...

 :D

How much hair have you found so far?  hairy knives are fun  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: max6166 on September 08, 2009, 09:49:14 PM
How much hair have you found so far?  hairy knives are fun  :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh

We were all wondering when you would finally get around to mentioning that!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on September 08, 2009, 10:03:18 PM
Best I not bring up dead bugs, blood and hair then :D (yes all in the same knife).
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Benner on September 08, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
I can cope with hair, bugs and budgie poo, but blood is just too much.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on September 08, 2009, 11:10:48 PM
I've had a couple that have obviously been used for field dressing and then never cleaned.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Benner on September 08, 2009, 11:25:06 PM
Eeew!
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on September 08, 2009, 11:26:55 PM
Needless to say, I've become quite the master at SAK sterilisation and for that matter knowing when to give in and lob in the bin :)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 09, 2009, 12:13:31 AM
Best I not bring up dead bugs, blood and hair then :D (yes all in the same knife).

I really don't need to hear this...

Nope, nope, not listening....

 :D :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: ducktapehero on September 09, 2009, 12:46:55 AM
I don't understand some of you. You buy USED SAK's then complain how the former owner treated it. If you want a nice knife buy a new one, or get a "gently used" one from Felinevet. Now of course if you bought it and it was advertised as "like new" condition and it isn't then I understand being mad. Granted we love these tools but they are that, tools. And sometimes situations pop up that you have to use your SAK in a way that it wasn't designed to do.

Myself, I generally try to take care of my knives but there have been instances where I've abused and broken SAK's. When I do that I don't send it back in for a warranty since I did abuse it.


Some of you are too sensitive.  :D :D :D :D  :pok: :pok:
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Gareth on September 09, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
Yeah, I've done some pretty mucky stuff with knives over the years, but somehow I always found the time to clean them afterwards. :)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: HBlaine on September 09, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Hey, I just like to b****!   :D

Still, it amazes me that people don't take care of things.  Granted, as I've said a 1000 times before, I can be a bit lackadaisical with tools and machinery, but I try not to be.  I try to take care of stuff.  I had it drummed into my head as a kid (by parents who came out of the Great Depression) that you take care of things.  By God, you paid good money for that, so take care of it!  Hell, I didn't pay very much for any of these SAKs, but I'm going to take care of all of them.  Same with my MTs, which I do abuse the hell out of at times.  I still clean them afterwards.

To get all serious for a moment, I just have very little patience for stupidity, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who treats a tool the way the previous owners of these SAKs did are...well, stupid.  Sorry.  But that's the way it is.

OK, seriousness over.  (If I keep this up, I'll start telling stories about my gov't servitude a few years back.  Talk about a primer on stupidity!!   :D)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Black Rose on November 11, 2009, 10:18:33 PM
Better pop off the scale and clean under it as well, I've read some, um interesting stories regard that.
I recently won an auction for a really old Vic Ambassador (has the screw in the scissors).

It had a cracked scale on it so I bought a new set of scales from BenX and they arrived the other day.

I popped the scales off the SAK and holy crap, what a disgusting mess underneath.

Now I am wondering how to clean the other used SAKs I have bought without having to remove the old scales and buy new ones.

Is soaking the SAKs in hot water with some dish soap sufficient?

EDIT: I decided to take the scales off of a couple of the used ones I have.  They weren't too bad underneath actually.
They are currently soaking in soapy hot water anyway.

BTW, the blade on the Gerber Clutch works very well for removing the scales from (58mm) SAKs without damaging them.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: stressmaster5000 on November 11, 2009, 11:02:33 PM
TTIUWOP
I have several grungy ones needing cleaning and I will post some of the worst offenders. Later.........
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Whoey on November 11, 2009, 11:40:59 PM
I was speaking to my brother-in-law (who is a dentist) and while he won't let me use his main ultrasonic cleaner to clean some SAKs I have(sterile environment etc), he said he may have his old smaller one that I can have... if he can find it... (crosses fingers)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Neil on November 12, 2009, 05:41:22 PM
I've seen more grotty SAKs than most.  Best just not to think about it too much :D

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/ugly-sak-waiter.jpg)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Gareth on November 12, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
We'll just think of that as food remains and hope for the best, eh? ;)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Benner on November 12, 2009, 10:57:05 PM
Nah that's budgie poo that is.  :D
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Gareth on November 13, 2009, 12:05:48 AM
Nah that's budgie poo that is.  :D

If you manage to get budgie poo under the scales you have a very odd place for storing your SAKs. :o
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Benner on November 13, 2009, 12:52:31 AM
I get the birds to guard my stash.
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: Whoey on November 13, 2009, 12:09:43 PM
I've seen more grotty SAKs than most.  Best just not to think about it too much :D

(http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn153/NKB_Pocket_Tools/ugly-sak-waiter.jpg)

but all the parts in that knife are probably fine apart from the spacers and pins... perfect candidate for disassembly and modding :)
Title: Re: SAK cleaning & grumbling
Post by: GradeMaker on December 19, 2009, 04:23:18 PM
Don't mean to hijack but can anyone point me to a good 'How To' thread for disassembly and cleaning?