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Title: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 09, 2018, 06:56:53 PM

This pair just came in my mail today!  :mail:

Overall impression, not impressed!!  :facepalm:

Anyone else bought these? Any inputs?

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Wspeed on July 09, 2018, 07:09:24 PM

What is wrong with them Sam :think:
They look nice but that doesn’t mean they are any good  :tu:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 09, 2018, 07:21:17 PM

There's so much to not like about them. I dun know where to start. I am on my phone now so typing lengthy post is going to cramp my fingers. I can only say.. I learnt to appreciate my OG suspension more after today.. I will try to post a proper hands on opinion of this when I get to my computer. Its bad..

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Wspeed on July 09, 2018, 07:59:40 PM

 :popcorn: :tu:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Spartan19 on July 10, 2018, 12:09:30 AM

I can't speak for the other two, but I love my suspension. I've had it for 4 years now, and have put it through all kinds of hard use, it was my first Gerber mt. The only bad thing about the suspension was the sheath it came with. I am curious about that new truss Sam, what all don't you like about it. I was considering one, but have yet to actually see one in person, if it seems like a piece of junk, I'm not going to waste the money on it.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Blackbeard on July 10, 2018, 02:02:59 AM

the nxt looks pretty uncomfortable

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 10, 2018, 03:26:26 AM

I tried to order both last night and got a backorder notice. I cancelled them. I kind of knew they would be junky, but I needed them for my collection. :facepalm:

I'll try again next week after paycheck. Ordered SOG baton 1 & 4 instead today.   :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 10, 2018, 04:35:27 AM

  :-[ :popcorn:
 :rant: :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 01:53:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

hopefully not, well maybe GLBM by now
 :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 01:53:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

hopefully not, well maybe GLBM by now
 :D

Nah.. He said he cancelled the order. But I guess no matter how bad I am going to say they are, he's still secretly going to acquire it. Eh? GLBM?  :pok:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 02:56:48 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 01:53:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

hopefully not, well maybe GLBM by now
 :D

Nah.. He said he cancelled the order. But I guess no matter how bad I am going to say they are, he's still secretly going to acquire it. Eh? GLBM?  :pok:

no, not secretly at all. He'll post pics and the "Collection/Gerber group" as soon as he can  :D

I, for one, enjoy his pics of the variety of models and his views on them  :salute:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 10, 2018, 03:11:29 PM

The anticipation and speculation are killing me!  :ahhh

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 10, 2018, 03:17:52 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 01:53:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

hopefully not, well maybe GLBM by now
 :D

Nah.. He said he cancelled the order. But I guess no matter how bad I am going to say they are, he's still secretly going to acquire it. Eh? GLBM?  :pok:

You lot really have my #, don't you?  :rofl:
Next paycheck I will be ordering both. I wish the site I tried ordering them from had been able to send them out. But, I've needed the SOG Q1 & Q4 for a while and ordered those. :D

Don't forget,  I am the sucker who paid full price for a PowerDuo. The NXT and Truss cannot be that bad, relatively.  :ahhh

Quote from: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 02:56:48 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 02:45:28 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on July 10, 2018, 01:53:50 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:36:25 AM

I have time tonight. I am going to make some noise here. Seriously no one else bought this?

hopefully not, well maybe GLBM by now
 :D

Nah.. He said he cancelled the order. But I guess no matter how bad I am going to say they are, he's still secretly going to acquire it. Eh? GLBM?  :pok:

no, not secretly at all. He'll post pics and the "Collection/Gerber group" as soon as he can  :D

I, for one, enjoy his pics of the variety of models and his views on them  :salute:

Thank you, TP!  :cheers:
Hopefully I'll be able to order the nxt and truss by next Satuday. :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 10, 2018, 06:51:42 PM

Ok. First, I think I need much better lighting in the house... I apologise for the dark boring pics....

This post will be more of a early impression of both the shiny new tools. Hands on impression may or may not come later :whistle:. I am not too sure where to start. I think let's see some pictures first.
(https://i.imgur.com/7lAVOmm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bn8EsUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Xq1ULje.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k26fFPR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jYDgXmU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rD7Uk6n.jpg)

A look at the new tool set that comes with the new tools. Pretty much all of them have been redesigned. Pliers are the exact same for all the 3 models.
(https://i.imgur.com/oYCty8R.jpg)

I type base on what I think I have read in the past. So I could be wrong here. The Suspension NXT is designed to be a slimmer, more toned down version based on the OG Suspension. TRUSS is designed to fully replace the OG Suspension with similar tool set.

Personally, I like the NXT more than the Truss due to it being a slimmer size and the overall design of the handle frame. The design and the cut outs on the Truss looks to be very amateurish or just like a rushed job to carry on the "suspension bridge" design to me... sorry Gerber..

Why am I disappointed....

Both tools are really really very uncomfortable in the hands. In its closed form, the edges are rather not rounded and are rather sharp-ish ( not cutting sharp but edgy sharp :think:) and there are many pointy hotspots all over. There is no way I can convey the feeling to you.. you have to embrace them, squeeze them, to really feel my pain... Its really really terrible. This applies to both tools. Truss being the worse. I can literally scrape my finger nails off most of the edges on the Truss.

In the pliers form, they are not much better... basically, even when u are just holding the tool, there will always be something digging into you palm..
(https://i.imgur.com/Nnamu69.jpg)


They share the same implements. So the "issue" I see with some tools,

Scissors. They added a thumbpad for it. Hooray! Well not really... if you have used the Wingman scissors before, this feels exactly like that. The kind of things you can cut depends greatly on your threshold of pain.. remember the sharp-ish edges I mentioned? That applies to the thumbpad as well..
(https://i.imgur.com/XLBKgBg.jpg)

Screwdriver/File/Pry tool? (if it looks like one,someone will use it as one) This is one confused tool. I think these 3 tools combination is the worse marriage that will make the MT God weep.. :facepalm:
(https://i.imgur.com/QxZfMCX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rBSFOvS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7EuD712.jpg)

Flathead screwdriver/wire stripper combo. IDK, looks like a weak point to snap the screwdriver to me. Maybe I am just paranoid..
(https://i.imgur.com/oNvW9Cw.jpg)

Pocket clip on the NXT. You tell me whats wrong.. Its definitely coming off from mine.
(https://i.imgur.com/v3DvK69.jpg)



These are factory issue that I have.. my NXT arrived with a stripped screw and Truss with a bent blade tip....... These traveled halfway across the globe to reach me so sending them back is not really an option. Yay! :twak:.....
(https://i.imgur.com/ayKi0Vg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rwjN4Qz.jpg)



Some things I noticed..

Apparently they think that people are growing bigger and have larger hands so they made the handle splay for the NXT wider.

They both have a very sturdy built. Very very minimal handle flex when squeezing the handles together. One of the best for sure. And also incredibly painful ones.

There's alot of void space under the implements for the Truss. Making it unnecessarily wide. 
(https://i.imgur.com/be6SBxO.jpg)

One of the good thing, at least  ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/6c0mf8d.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o8xT8Ka.jpg)


So........ is this a buy?

Ask me I will say, Yes. I think with some patience and tender love, I think the NXT will be really sweet. Truss, sorry I do not quite like you..
Ask GLBM, Definitely. possibly one or 2 in his cart now.
Ask Chako, Quite a positive Yes
Ask TP, I think so. ;)

You? 

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 10, 2018, 07:25:31 PM

 :-\
Bummer, but thanks for the warning.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 10, 2018, 08:17:14 PM

They'll sure both make good shelf Queens when mine come. :rofl:
I didn't like the suspension much, and it looks as if Gerber made the suspension even worse to use. More splay? That was my biggest issue with the OG suspension and variants.

Oh well. They do look quite nice and will be put to rest in my Gerber drawers.  :D

Thank you for posting about them, Sam! I usually agree with you, so your observations about the new Gerbers are taken seriously.
Hopefully Gerber will realize the parts\handles need to stay in the tumblers a bit longer to soften the edges. :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Tsquare on July 11, 2018, 01:43:08 AM

     I have the nxt and have been pocket carrying it for about two weeks.  I have a truss coming, for the plain blade  >:D and to have a sheath if I want to belt carry.   I really like the phillips screwdriver, which for me is its best feature.  I do not need to cut anything harder than copper data wire and small copper ground wire.  I don't have a problem given the great price.  I agree with the sharp feeling of the edges but don't mind putting it to work.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 11, 2018, 06:17:12 AM

Quote from: Tsquare on July 11, 2018, 01:43:08 AM

     I have the nxt and have been pocket carrying it for about two weeks.  I have a truss coming, for the plain blade  >:D and to have a sheath if I want to belt carry.   I really like the phillips screwdriver, which for me is its best feature.  I do not need to cut anything harder than copper data wire and small copper ground wire.  I don't have a problem given the great price.  I agree with the sharp feeling of the edges but don't mind putting it to work.

I too love the long shank phillips  :like:. I remove the clip yesterday and have been sheath carrying it for 2 days. I am starting to like this. I never took a second look or really use the anvil type cutter on the OG suspension but after trying the NXT, it turn out to be quite alright. Quite impressive actually. It actually cuts even stranded copper wire. So it's good for me. Happy. Will try to put in some parts from the suspension and a file to see if they are compatible. Still need to smooth out the edges. I think this NXT will turn out alright after all. It's definitely value for money even for the flaws.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 11, 2018, 06:19:12 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 10, 2018, 08:17:14 PM

They'll sure both make good shelf Queens when mine come. :rofl:
I didn't like the suspension much, and it looks as if Gerber made the suspension even worse to use. More splay? That was my biggest issue with the OG suspension and variants.

Oh well. They do look quite nice and will be put to rest in my Gerber drawers.  :D

Thank you for posting about them, Sam! I usually agree with you, so your observations about the new Gerbers are taken seriously.
Hopefully Gerber will realize the parts\handles need to stay in the tumblers a bit longer to soften the edges. :)

 :salute: dun take my words for it. U may actually fall in love with them. Embrace them.. feel the raw edges.. feel the pain bro...  :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 11, 2018, 07:03:32 AM

Quote from: Sam Lim

:salute: dun take my words for it. U may actually fall in love with them. Embrace them.. feel the raw edges.. feel the pain bro...  :cheers:

I've damaged the nerves in my hands to the point where the edges won't be an issue. :rofl:
I have assumptions about the new Gerbers that lead me to think they will feel cheap, but I may be subjectively wrong. We'll see. :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Wspeed on July 11, 2018, 12:12:27 PM

 :popcorn: :like: :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 12, 2018, 07:36:26 AM

A real bummer. Was looking forward to these tools.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 12, 2018, 11:48:41 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 12, 2018, 07:36:26 AM

A real bummer. Was looking forward to these tools.

I am actually starting to like the NXT. There are some shortcomings but it's definitely worth more than the $28 I have paid for it. The only thing I still cannot get used to is the splay. I am not too prepared to do something to it just yet. Truss is whole different story.. I still dislike it as much as the day I first touched it....

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 10:30:18 AM

Today I made some corrections to the NXT..

Switched in a plain edge from the OG Suspension, I like the Wharncliffe blade alot.
Included a small screwdriver from the OG Suspension.
Swopped in a file from the Mp600.
Grounded the can opener into another screw driver.
Gave the scissors a proper edge.
Closed up the handle splay.
Rounded off any rough edges that I can feel.

The tools are interchangeable with the OG suspension and MP600/400 series.. This is really one sweet platform to work with. Liking it more day by day.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Wspeed on July 14, 2018, 12:21:24 PM

Excellent job Sam :dd: :like: :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 14, 2018, 12:47:26 PM

way better now  :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 01:11:50 PM

Thanks WS and TP. It's available on Amazon now. A little more ex than on Blade HQ and KC. I quite a recommended buy.  :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:13:04 PM

Sam,
It is awesome you were able to redeem that Gerber. Now, all that is left, is for Gerber to make similar alterations.

Very nice work, as always. :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 04:24:46 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:13:04 PM

Sam,
It is awesome you were able to redeem that Gerber. Now, all that is left, is for Gerber to make similar alterations.

Very nice work, as always. :cheers:

 :cheers: just doing what I enjoy.

I have some questions GLBM, I recently bought 2 polished stuffs..  ;) but are the handle splay normal? Seems pretty close but they doesn't seem to have been modified before.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 14, 2018, 05:27:53 PM

Didn't they make a point about these two having less handle splay than the OG Suspension?  :think:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 06:07:11 PM

Quote from: ReamerPunch on July 14, 2018, 05:27:53 PM

Didn't they make a point about these two having less handle splay than the OG Suspension?  :think:

Not quite sure... But the Truss does have a slightly lesser splay than the original. But the whole tool is big. Unnecessarily bulky and uncomfortable.

But I can't stress enough how bad the Truss is.. They like sandwiched the pliers and tools between 2 thin sheets of metal then decided to do some half hearted designs on the frame and call it a successor to the Suspension.. The NXT is much better constructed, thicker body frame and better designed. And it's cheaper by $10.  :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: rdub934 on July 15, 2018, 10:56:23 PM

I really like your mods. What did you have to do to reduce the handle splay?

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 16, 2018, 06:31:16 AM

Bummer. I was hoping they'd be good to go. I will not bother with these. Unless they somehow fix the issues. Thanks Sam.  :salute:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 16, 2018, 09:18:44 AM

Quote from: rdub934 on July 15, 2018, 10:56:23 PM

I really like your mods. What did you have to do to reduce the handle splay?

U can file down a little on the spring tab that stops the pliers. Go little by little though. I did only about 2mm. 1 caveat though. The handles will not close as tight as original but they will still stay closed. But that doesn't bother me a bit.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 06:45:40 AM

Quote from: ReamerPunch on July 16, 2018, 06:31:16 AM

Bummer. I was hoping they'd be good to go. I will not bother with these. Unless they somehow fix the issues. Thanks Sam.  :salute:

 :salute: I am usually quite harsh on my MT requirements.. That why i usually alter them to what I need. Like this recently change, I threw out the original awl and replaced with this. The original awl tip was gone even with light reaming on plywood.

Well, someone that have the Truss may have a different though.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 07:40:48 AM

That's a pretty awl.  :dd:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 18, 2018, 07:43:12 AM

Sam,
Is that a Gerber MPT/MP V.2 awl? I can't quite tell.
Looks great in there! Nice job.  :tu:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 10:16:34 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 18, 2018, 07:43:12 AM

Sam,
Is that a Gerber MPT/MP V.2 awl? I can't quite tell.
Looks great in there! Nice job.  :tu:

It's from a not sure which version Mr Pinchy. It have 2 holes on the pliers pivot and both screw post on the tools side. That's one of the craziest awl I have come across..

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 10:20:50 AM

Quote from: ReamerPunch on July 18, 2018, 07:40:48 AM

That's a pretty awl.  :dd:

I kinda feel that older tools are better in quality perhaps during then, good name manufacturers are trying to outdo one another by quality. Now.. They tend to throw out new designs but usability is very often questionable..  :salute:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 18, 2018, 02:43:14 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 10:16:34 AM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 18, 2018, 07:43:12 AM

Sam,
Is that a Gerber MPT/MP V.2 awl? I can't quite tell.
Looks great in there! Nice job.  :tu:

It's from a not sure which version Mr Pinchy. It have 2 holes on the pliers pivot and both screw post on the tools side. That's one of the craziest awl I have come across..

Wow. That would be a V.1 or V.2 Multi-Plier (Pinchy). That awl is what they replaced those embarassing scissors with. :)
Very nice pick for a mod! That particular awl is often overlooked. :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 18, 2018, 03:45:42 PM

I love that old awl design  :dd:

great improvement!  :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 23, 2018, 08:52:53 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 04:24:46 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:13:04 PM

Sam,
It is awesome you were able to redeem that Gerber. Now, all that is left, is for Gerber to make similar alterations.

Very nice work, as always. :cheers:

 :cheers: just doing what I enjoy.

I have some questions GLBM, I recently bought 2 polished stuffs..  ;) but are the handle splay normal? Seems pretty close but they doesn't seem to have been modified before.

Hey Sam,
I apologize for not having seen your post before now. How much wear on the pliers and tools do those two have? The wider one seems more normal, but the one where the handles are nearly parallel look bad. Check the bolsters for cracks and turn the screws on the handles where the pliers connect. A lot of times the older Bears will have bent barrels.

Also, I got my Truss in today. :D
I will save my initial thoughts for later though. :ahhh

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 24, 2018, 12:07:56 AM

Caved and bought both.   :-[

Will probably file down the tabs like Sam did. 

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 24, 2018, 07:02:07 PM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 24, 2018, 12:07:56 AM

Caved and bought both.   :-[

Will probably file down the tabs like Sam did.

 :rofl:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 24, 2018, 07:09:17 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 23, 2018, 08:52:53 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 14, 2018, 04:24:46 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on July 14, 2018, 03:13:04 PM

Sam,
It is awesome you were able to redeem that Gerber. Now, all that is left, is for Gerber to make similar alterations.

Very nice work, as always. :cheers:

 :cheers: just doing what I enjoy.

I have some questions GLBM, I recently bought 2 polished stuffs..  ;) but are the handle splay normal? Seems pretty close but they doesn't seem to have been modified before.

Hey Sam,
I apologize for not having seen your post before now. How much wear on the pliers and tools do those two have? The wider one seems more normal, but the one where the handles are nearly parallel look bad. Check the bolsters for cracks and turn the screws on the handles where the pliers connect. A lot of times the older Bears will have bent barrels.

Also, I got my Truss in today. :D
I will save my initial thoughts for later though. :ahhh

No problem!

The bear looks to be like new. The crescent looks normal light use but it was somewhat cover with some rust crusts that can be brushed off with a wire brush. Doesn't look modified before though. All seems normal. I am fine with it. The handles are very rounded so they doesn't pinch. Well, close handle does have it benefits... I can slip it straight down into my pouch with the pliers out. Doesn't take up space and since pliers are what I use most of the time, it sort of works out..  :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 24, 2018, 07:25:21 PM

As long as the handles aren't touching when you squeeze them hard, I think they'll be fine. :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 04:44:19 AM

Just got the truss and nxt in the mail.     :mail:

First impressions:
- holy cow, the handle splay is no joke!  Even worse than the og suspension.  What is Gerber thinking?
- both tools are very uncomfortable, both when using the pliers and when they are closed and using handle tools.  At least the og suspension was very comfortable.  These have many unfinished edges and hot spots. 
- on my next, the blade rubs against both the handle and the plier head.  Terrible.  (At least no bent tips like Sam)
- oho much harder than on og suspension.

More thoughts to come later, but so far unimpressed.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 05:20:45 AM

Do you have a original Suspension to compare them to? I measured the Truss splay a tiny bit less than the original Suspension.
Not sure how using the pliers on the Truss could be more uncomfortable, as the outer edges are rolled over wider than the metal thickness on the original Suspension handle back edges  :think:

I don't have an NXT yet though. Will take accurate measurements when I get one.

Could you post an up-close picture of the handles?  I'd like to see if I just received one that was finished better. I will need to update my threas if that is the case. :ahhh

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 05:23:45 AM

I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

Truss splay is not nearly as bad as NXT.  Yes, I have an og suspension.  I find it very comfortable due to all the rounded edges and thick handles.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 26, 2018, 05:30:33 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 05:23:45 AM

I'll post some pics when I get a chance.

Truss splay is not nearly as bad as NXT.

I am shocked that Gerber made the splay so bad on the smaller of the two new tools. You and Sam mentioned the splay is terrible on the NXT, so I know it has got to be bad. :ahhh
The Truss is technically a bigger MT, so having a wider splay on the NXT is mind boggling. I can't say I'm looking forward to getting an NXT, but it will be interesting to measure the splay on it and compare the handle rolling on the non-tool side to the Truss and Suspension.   :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 26, 2018, 06:51:32 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 04:44:19 AM

Just got the truss and nxt in the mail.     :mail:

First impressions:
- holy cow, the handle splay is no joke!  Even worse than the og suspension.  What is Gerber thinking?
- both tools are very uncomfortable, both when using the pliers and when they are closed and using handle tools.  At least the og suspension was very comfortable.  These have many unfinished edges and hot spots. 
- on my next, the blade rubs against both the handle and the plier head.  Terrible.  (At least no bent tips like Sam)
- oho much harder than on og suspension.

More thoughts to come later, but so far unimpressed.

I really feel like flying over to wherever u are and do a Hi-5 with u.  :cheers:

Despite all my complains on both the tools, I have grown to like the NXT quite a bit. At least the design wise they put in more effort and lesser space wastage. For the past one week, I had been using the NXT and after ironing out most of the shortcomings , I find it to be quite OK-ish. Especially when it's just $28, decent-ish tool set and all of them locks. I am very particular on the pliers cutters that I use cos I cut copper stranded all the time so I am actually pleasantly surprised that this anvil type can do the job. Thought its essentially the same on the OG Suspension, I have never given it a chance. Regarding the handle splay on the NXT, I am suspecting when they are designing the pliers stop, they created that little raised part to given it more tension but in the process, they forgot that will affect the handle splay... But on this NXT, it is one of the most solid folding pliers I have used. The handle doesn't flex when under pressure. I really have to give gerber credit on this.

Truss will be a whole different story... It's still at the exact spot since the day I received it. I am so tempted to swap the tools over to my Mp700 but it's doesn't seems to make sense..

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 05:34:07 PM

Sam, what kind of file did you use to modify the NXT?  I am looking to do something similar, but maybe a bit less removal than you did.

How much looser is it now?  I do like the snap of the NXT.  (Truss has no snap, the sheet metal is inexplicably much thinner.)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 26, 2018, 05:53:30 PM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 26, 2018, 05:34:07 PM

Sam, what kind of file did you use to modify the NXT?  I am looking to do something similar, but maybe a bit less removal than you did.

How much looser is it now?  I do like the snap of the NXT.  (Truss has no snap, the sheet metal is inexplicably much thinner.)

This is the max it will open by itself due to the plier's spring. When u shorten the pliers rest, it will definitely affect this a little. I actually do not quite like the snap.. Its feels too strong for my liking. When closing, the snap is fine but when opening the pliers, oh my.. Everytime I feel its fighting me..

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 26, 2018, 05:54:55 PM

Oh btw, I am getting very lazy day by day.. I use a dremel to shorten the pliers rest.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 26, 2018, 06:08:30 PM

I quite like the NXT. It's capable of housing a number of long-ish tools. For $28, its definitely a very good buy.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 27, 2018, 05:50:59 AM

Sam how were you even able to remove the screws on the next so that you could file down the tabs?  Mine stripped immediately, with like zero torque.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 27, 2018, 06:15:51 AM

You need to put a soldering iron in the driver hole and heat up the loctite before trying to remove the screws. Too late for using a driver though. Time for Vise-Grips. :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 27, 2018, 12:46:56 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 26, 2018, 06:08:30 PM

I quite like the NXT. It's capable of housing a number of long-ish tools. For $28, its definitely a very good buy.

well, it definitely has the looks  :multi:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 27, 2018, 01:00:43 PM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 27, 2018, 05:50:59 AM

Sam how were you even able to remove the screws on the next so that you could file down the tabs?  Mine stripped immediately, with like zero torque.

You can only turn this side. It have a notch at the end of the screw post to prevent it from turning. Much like those on a wave series. I didn't remember I applied heat.. Didn't take much torque for mine to come loose. Once u get it loose, prepare for another disappoint though.. The screw post is not very well finished.. Much like a typical made in Chi#@ nonsense....

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 28, 2018, 12:55:30 AM

Good to know Sam.  How did you figure that out?

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 28, 2018, 03:07:42 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 28, 2018, 12:55:30 AM

Good to know Sam.  How did you figure that out?

Works on all models. Turn the screw post on one end, if the whole thing spins, that means u have to use something on both side. If it doesn't that means there's a stop built in. On the plier's screw post, it's easy. Get in into pliers mode, squeeze and hold down the handle by hand and try to turn the screws one by one. Enough pressure on the handle will usually bites down on the post side. Whichever can turn will be the screw.  ;)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 28, 2018, 06:04:28 PM

Suspension NXT is really growing on me. I like the tool loudout a lot actually.  I also like the thickness of the chassis and the snap.  The splay remains a killer for me though, especially since I have smaller hands given my height.

(https://preview.ibb.co/gqX5KT/IMG_20180728_085829287.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eReVm8)

Have not warmed on the truss though. 

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 28, 2018, 06:59:55 PM

Thanks for the update, NetsNJ !

I am looking forward to getting the NXT now you and Sam have had a chance to try it out. Maybe I liked the Truss, because I didn't have the NXT to compare it to? :think:

Anyway, I am excited about getting an NXT now. :woohoo:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 28, 2018, 07:14:51 PM

The NXT splay is definitely worse than on the Truss, but the Truss is thicker, so it trades off. 

At the end of the day, having two blades instead of one, and a saw, day-to-day isn't worth it for me on the multitool.

I wish the plier jaws opened wider (given size of tool), but that goes back old suspension too.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on July 30, 2018, 01:01:38 AM

Some photos as promised.  Apologies for crappy quality and my thumb in half of them.   :rofl:

First, some minor differences between Truss and NXT that I noticed.  (Only for those with OCD.)

Different grinds on can opener:
(https://preview.ibb.co/c4y5M8/IMG_20180729_153556428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWVwTo)

Hard to see in photos, but the Truss awl is longer.   :think:  Why bother Gerber?
(https://preview.ibb.co/mmMguT/IMG_20180729_153521674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWnMuT)

Truss has the whole blade profile bead-blasted except for the edge, while NXT has grind lines.  Personally, I like the look of the ground blade.
(https://preview.ibb.co/i7TGTo/IMG_20180729_153411281.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nEO5M8)

Now for some real comparisons...

Blades...  Blades are good, I like the shape and thickness, but wish the partially serrated blade on Truss was sheepsfoot and fully serrated.  Oh well.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDE6To/IMG_20180729_153054276.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gj6xZT)

Saws... Truss is huge improvement on OG Suspension, but still a little thick and stubby.  Victorinox remains king. 
(https://preview.ibb.co/dM96To/IMG_20180729_153004420.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9BaM8)

The NXT/Truss phillips is actually amazing!
(https://preview.ibb.co/duHbTo/IMG_20180729_153858876.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iJM38o)

Weird combo flat-head / ruler / file tool on Sidekick and NXT.  I like the screwdriver.  Rulers on both are useless (not pictured).  File on Gerber looks like crap.  More aggressive than SOG, but unlike the SOG I doubt it is actually hardened.  The Sidekick file is small but actually very well cut.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iPNAoo/IMG_20180729_153209564.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gaczg8)

I really like the thickness of the chassis sheet metal and the tools on the NXT.  It adds to weight but the tool feels incredibly sturdy.  I don't worry about breaking the drivers like I do on the SOG Power Access, which is another mid-sized all outside opening multitool.  (Look how thin the tools are on Power Access, NXT on left!)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mXBguT/IMG_20180729_153143695.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0a7ZT)

Annoyed that spring loaded plier head isn't bigger.  It doesn't open very wide (give the large size of these tools).  The Sidekick, for comparison, which has an excellent head.
(https://preview.ibb.co/bA2zg8/IMG_20180729_153939933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMCMuT)

Now some splay comparisons (with me awkwardly holding the plier heads shut!):
(https://preview.ibb.co/iTcbTo/IMG_20180729_153256452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b05kM8)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kq138o/IMG_20180729_153312299.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d141uT)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jquZET/IMG_20180729_153632791.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dRq7ZT)

Lastly, the knife blade in NXT rubbing against chassis AND the plier head really irritates me.  Cost of compactness with these thick tools.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cbtuET/IMG_20180728_085912114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k58SZT)

Overall, NXT is growing on me, ordered a second one to keep pristine in collection (Found it for $25 shipped which is amazing given that a Wingman now retails for $50!!).  Truss, still meh.  The tools in the handle are slowly loosening up which is nice.  I really loved how easy it was to fold/unfold tools in old suspension once it loosened up. 

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on July 30, 2018, 02:42:37 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 30, 2018, 01:01:38 AM

Some photos as promised.  Apologies for crappy quality and my thumb in half of them.   :rofl:

First, some minor differences between Truss and NXT that I noticed.  (Only for those with OCD.)

Different grinds on can opener:
(https://preview.ibb.co/c4y5M8/IMG_20180729_153556428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWVwTo)

Hard to see in photos, but the Truss awl is longer.   :think:  Why bother Gerber?
(https://preview.ibb.co/mmMguT/IMG_20180729_153521674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWnMuT)

Truss has the whole blade profile bead-blasted except for the edge, while NXT has grind lines.  Personally, I like the look of the ground blade.
(https://preview.ibb.co/i7TGTo/IMG_20180729_153411281.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nEO5M8)

Now for some real comparisons...

Blades...  Blades are good, I like the shape and thickness, but wish the partially serrated blade on Truss was sheepsfoot and fully serrated.  Oh well.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDE6To/IMG_20180729_153054276.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gj6xZT)

Saws... Truss is huge improvement on OG Suspension, but still a little thick and stubby.  Victorinox remains king. 
(https://preview.ibb.co/dM96To/IMG_20180729_153004420.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9BaM8)

The NXT/Truss phillips is actually amazing!
(https://preview.ibb.co/duHbTo/IMG_20180729_153858876.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iJM38o)

Weird combo flat-head / ruler / file tool on Sidekick and NXT.  I like the screwdriver.  Rulers on both are useless (not pictured).  File on Gerber looks like crap.  More aggressive than SOG, but unlike the SOG I doubt it is actually hardened.  The Sidekick file is small but actually very well cut.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iPNAoo/IMG_20180729_153209564.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gaczg8)

I really like the thickness of the chassis sheet metal and the tools on the NXT.  It adds to weight but the tool feels incredibly sturdy.  I don't worry about breaking the drivers like I do on the SOG Power Access, which is another mid-sized all outside opening multitool.  (Look how thin the tools are on Power Access, NXT on left!)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mXBguT/IMG_20180729_153143695.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0a7ZT)

Annoyed that spring loaded plier head isn't bigger.  It doesn't open very wide (give the large size of these tools).  The Sidekick, for comparison, which has an excellent head.
(https://preview.ibb.co/bA2zg8/IMG_20180729_153939933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMCMuT)

Now some splay comparisons (with me awkwardly holding the plier heads shut!):
(https://preview.ibb.co/iTcbTo/IMG_20180729_153256452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b05kM8)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kq138o/IMG_20180729_153312299.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d141uT)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jquZET/IMG_20180729_153632791.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dRq7ZT)

Lastly, the knife blade in NXT rubbing against chassis AND the plier head really irritates me.  Cost of compactness with these thick tools.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cbtuET/IMG_20180728_085912114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k58SZT)

Overall, NXT is growing on me, ordered a second one to keep pristine in collection (Found it for $25 shipped which is amazing given that a Wingman now retails for $50!!).  Truss, still meh.

Nice! We seem to have the same opinions on these 2 new tools.  ;)
I too bought another NXT :facepalm: but not at your unbeatable price.  This thing is really growing  on me as well.  :like:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on July 30, 2018, 03:08:29 AM

Thanks for the awesome pictorial, NetsNJ! I JUST ordered the NXT a minute ago(meant to order yesterday and forgot). It should be at my house on Tuesday! :woohoo:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ReamerPunch on July 30, 2018, 03:21:43 AM

Quote from: NetsNJ on July 30, 2018, 01:01:38 AM

Show content

Some photos as promised.  Apologies for crappy quality and my thumb in half of them.   :rofl:

First, some minor differences between Truss and NXT that I noticed.  (Only for those with OCD.)

Different grinds on can opener:
(https://preview.ibb.co/c4y5M8/IMG_20180729_153556428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jWVwTo)

Hard to see in photos, but the Truss awl is longer.   :think:  Why bother Gerber?
(https://preview.ibb.co/mmMguT/IMG_20180729_153521674.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bWnMuT)

Truss has the whole blade profile bead-blasted except for the edge, while NXT has grind lines.  Personally, I like the look of the ground blade.
(https://preview.ibb.co/i7TGTo/IMG_20180729_153411281.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nEO5M8)

Now for some real comparisons...

Blades...  Blades are good, I like the shape and thickness, but wish the partially serrated blade on Truss was sheepsfoot and fully serrated.  Oh well.
(https://preview.ibb.co/fDE6To/IMG_20180729_153054276.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gj6xZT)

Saws... Truss is huge improvement on OG Suspension, but still a little thick and stubby.  Victorinox remains king. 
(https://preview.ibb.co/dM96To/IMG_20180729_153004420.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f9BaM8)

The NXT/Truss phillips is actually amazing!
(https://preview.ibb.co/duHbTo/IMG_20180729_153858876.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iJM38o)

Weird combo flat-head / ruler / file tool on Sidekick and NXT.  I like the screwdriver.  Rulers on both are useless (not pictured).  File on Gerber looks like crap.  More aggressive than SOG, but unlike the SOG I doubt it is actually hardened.  The Sidekick file is small but actually very well cut.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iPNAoo/IMG_20180729_153209564.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gaczg8)

I really like the thickness of the chassis sheet metal and the tools on the NXT.  It adds to weight but the tool feels incredibly sturdy.  I don't worry about breaking the drivers like I do on the SOG Power Access, which is another mid-sized all outside opening multitool.  (Look how thin the tools are on Power Access, NXT on left!)
(https://preview.ibb.co/mXBguT/IMG_20180729_153143695.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0a7ZT)

Annoyed that spring loaded plier head isn't bigger.  It doesn't open very wide (give the large size of these tools).  The Sidekick, for comparison, which has an excellent head.
(https://preview.ibb.co/bA2zg8/IMG_20180729_153939933.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dMCMuT)

Now some splay comparisons (with me awkwardly holding the plier heads shut!):
(https://preview.ibb.co/iTcbTo/IMG_20180729_153256452.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b05kM8)
(https://preview.ibb.co/kq138o/IMG_20180729_153312299.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d141uT)
(https://preview.ibb.co/jquZET/IMG_20180729_153632791.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dRq7ZT)

Lastly, the knife blade in NXT rubbing against chassis AND the plier head really irritates me.  Cost of compactness with these thick tools.
(https://preview.ibb.co/cbtuET/IMG_20180728_085912114.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k58SZT)

Overall, NXT is growing on me, ordered a second one to keep pristine in collection (Found it for $25 shipped which is amazing given that a Wingman now retails for $50!!).  Truss, still meh.  The tools in the handle are slowly loosening up which is nice.  I really loved how easy it was to fold/unfold tools in old suspension once it loosened up.

Thanks for the pics and thoughts, and wow. $25, that's excellent!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on July 30, 2018, 01:28:59 PM

that's a great price for the tool,  :salute:

and thanks for the pics and comparison NetsNJ, it is very helpful!!  :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Corso on August 15, 2018, 09:09:18 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 06:45:40 AM

Quote from: ReamerPunch on July 16, 2018, 06:31:16 AM

Bummer. I was hoping they'd be good to go. I will not bother with these. Unless they somehow fix the issues. Thanks Sam.  :salute:

 :salute: I am usually quite harsh on my MT requirements.. That why i usually alter them to what I need. Like this recently change, I threw out the original awl and replaced with this. The original awl tip was gone even with light reaming on plywood.

Well, someone that have the Truss may have a different though.

Hi Sam, was this is a straight swap for that awl or did you have to modify the lock notch?

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Sam Lim on August 16, 2018, 07:53:46 AM

Quote from: Corso on August 15, 2018, 09:09:18 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on July 18, 2018, 06:45:40 AM

Quote from: ReamerPunch on July 16, 2018, 06:31:16 AM

Bummer. I was hoping they'd be good to go. I will not bother with these. Unless they somehow fix the issues. Thanks Sam.  :salute:

 :salute: I am usually quite harsh on my MT requirements.. That why i usually alter them to what I need. Like this recently change, I threw out the original awl and replaced with this. The original awl tip was gone even with light reaming on plywood.

Well, someone that have the Truss may have a different though.

Hi Sam, was this is a straight swap for that awl or did you have to modify the lock notch?

Not quite a drop in. Pivot hole on original awl was 4mm. Have to enlarge to 4.5mm. The locking part have to modify also.. A little bit of work, but we'll worth the time.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Corso on August 16, 2018, 08:49:05 PM

Quote from: Sam Lim on August 16, 2018, 07:53:46 AM

Not quite a drop in. Pivot hole on original awl was 4mm. Have to enlarge to 4.5mm. The locking part have to modify also.. A little bit of work, but we'll worth the time.

Okay, thanks.  I picked up the same awl on eBay after reading your post.  I want to drop it into the Truss when it shows up.  I’ll need to remember your trick of knowing which fastener to loosen up so I don’t strip it.   :tu:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: mikekoz on September 26, 2018, 07:09:44 PM

I just picked up a NXT at Home Depot. They should have called it the Suspension Lite!  I was hoping they would have had the Truss, but  may have to order that one online. The tool load out is nice, but it is too narrow for my tastes. It is not real uncomfortable in the hands, but my old Suspension is wider and feels better. The Phillips driver is a lot better, however. I hate that flat thing that Gerber and some other manufacturers use. Some of the tools are hard to open, so it may need some adjusting and lubrication.  I also wish it included a sheath, but that is no big deal.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: mikekoz on October 16, 2018, 04:10:14 AM

   Just got the Truss. At first glance, it seems to be the true successor to the Suspension. It is a bit longer and has longer tools, both of which suit me. I actually prefer a larger multitool and like the Truss over the NXT.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 06:17:07 AM

 :iagree:

I am partial to the Truss as well, especially now that the price has gone down a bit. :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM

That tool has an easter egg in its name,  :whistle:
it's the Tool to Replace Upgrade and Substitute the Suspension and I Trust that it has the potential to do that.  :angel:

Looking forward to your pics, thoughts and opinion after some use mikekoz  :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:28:10 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM

That tool has an easter egg in its name,  :whistle:
it's the Tool to Replace Upgrade and Substitute the Suspension and I Trust that it has the potential to do that.  :angel:

:like:
I think this is the moment that your family should alert the local psychological sanitarium about a potential mental break-down. :whistle: :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 04:32:16 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:28:10 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM

That tool has an easter egg in its name,  :whistle:
it's the Tool to Replace Upgrade and Substitute the Suspension and I Trust that it has the potential to do that.  :angel:

:like:
I think this is the moment that your family should alert the local psychological sanitarium about a potential mental break-down. :whistle: :D

well if that happened I would definitely Trusst my family to decide what to do NXT with me  :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:35:16 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 04:32:16 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:28:10 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM

That tool has an easter egg in its name,  :whistle:
it's the Tool to Replace Upgrade and Substitute the Suspension and I Trust that it has the potential to do that.  :angel:

:like:
I think this is the moment that your family should alert the local psychological sanitarium about a potential mental break-down. :whistle: :D

well if that happened I would definitely Trusst my family to decide what to do NXT with me  :facepalm:

Just don't get yourself Suspended from work or MT.o. :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Spartan19 on October 16, 2018, 11:06:44 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:35:16 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 04:32:16 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:28:10 PM

Quote from: ThePeacent on October 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM

That tool has an easter egg in its name,  :whistle:
it's the Tool to Replace Upgrade and Substitute the Suspension and I Trust that it has the potential to do that.  :angel:

:like:
I think this is the moment that your family should alert the local psychological sanitarium about a potential mental break-down. :whistle: :D

well if that happened I would definitely Trusst my family to decide what to do NXT with me  :facepalm:

Just don't get yourself Suspended from work or MT.o. :D
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Their truss of you may be in suspension :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 11:38:27 PM

Personal paradox warning.

 :rofl: &  :facepalm:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on October 17, 2018, 01:11:27 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 16, 2018, 04:35:16 PM

Just don't get yourself Suspended from work or MT.o. :D

no worries there, my job position is quite Steady and they'd need an Edict to fire me, after all these years  :dunno:...
It's Crucial to be prepared for a mental breakdown at any time though, because once you're locked up your only Freescape is a Crevice,
a small window of opportunity, a Vital moment of distraction.  :ahhh

That Myth of escaping you've heard, about the inmate who became a Legend by getting out unnoticed, who became a Freeman, a low Profile law abiding citizen back into society, all that can Reveal itself as a true story if you are brave enough to begin the Traverse and Venture into the unknown.

If you do and you succeed, you'll have filled the Void that is inside every one deprived of liberty, and through Hail and snow, fast like a high Octane car in a road without Transit, you'll find your way to Infinity to finally find a place for you and even possibly become a Prodigy , exemplary subject of our society, an Icon of what a man can become when put to task  :hatsoff:

that's some Gerber model variety for you  :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 17, 2018, 02:02:05 PM

*jaw drops*

I am not a Grappler who can compete with your Freehand play on words. :D
Though, you could Flik a Dime to decide on having Bear Grylls teach you Ultimate Survival and how to Splice the Clutch cable in the Vise, using a CableDawg .
Measure the Raduis of the Center-Drive to avoid  Recoil to the Stratasphere. And you'll need some more Deisel to go on a BullRush .

Edit: Sorry if I used model names you've already used, TP! And there are several more models we haven't covered.  Hahah

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: ThePeacent on October 18, 2018, 02:47:05 PM

Quote from: gerleatherberman on October 17, 2018, 02:02:05 PM

*jaw drops*

I am not a Grappler who can compete with your Freehand play on words. :D
Though, you could Flik a Dime to decide on having Bear Grylls teach you Ultimate Survival and how to Splice the Clutch cable in the Vise, using a CableDawg .
Measure the Raduis of the Center-Drive to avoid  Recoil to the Stratasphere. And you'll need some more Deisel to go on a BullRush .

Edit: Sorry if I used model names you've already used, TP! And there are several more models we haven't covered.  Hahah

very good,
your skills are noteworthy  :D :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 19, 2018, 03:49:28 AM

 :hatsoff:

I absolutely enjoy 'play on words' stuff. So it is great you do as well. :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Spartan19 on October 20, 2018, 03:00:12 AM

+1! #1 fan of the PUNitentiary club :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: mikekoz on October 20, 2018, 10:20:49 PM

   I think all of you are full of Bullrush!!!   :ahhh :pok: :cheers:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 21, 2018, 06:21:41 AM

 :rofl:

That Freehand comment is a high Octane insult, Mike! :pok: :D

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on October 21, 2018, 11:50:06 PM

I'm going to try out the NXT for a few days to see if it grows on me. I bought a second for the collection, so I can use the NXT the way it was meant to be used. :multi:

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Blackbeard on May 11, 2019, 10:32:32 AM

Truss is $25.70 on Amazon today  :dunno:

Anybody like theirs or just too many hotspots? Sheath looks like it was made from old guitar straps.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: RF52 on May 11, 2019, 11:30:40 AM

I like the suspension nxt bettet then the truss. The truss is good enough as a tool, but if you plan on cutting anything with some resistance you are going to feel it in your hand.

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Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Blackbeard on May 12, 2019, 07:48:19 AM

Quote from: RF52 on May 11, 2019, 11:30:40 AM

I like the suspension nxt bettet then the truss. The truss is good enough as a tool, but if you plan on cutting anything with some resistance you are going to feel it in your hand.

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Yeah the $26 price seems reasonable, but knowing the track record of these Gerbers it will probably go below $20 over time, and there is little user info on it, like 1 review on youtube  along with MTO members input...poor ergos and weird name do not make a poular multi.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: gerleatherberman on May 12, 2019, 08:29:05 AM

It's a cheapo tool. And it is really good for the price bracket. IMO. A bit better than LM's and SOG's offerings in the same price neighborhood.  :)

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: NetsNJ on May 27, 2019, 07:41:07 PM

The NXT has really grown on me over time.  The truss is awkward and feels cheaper, I think because of the inexplicably thinner steel in the chassis.  It isn't worth the extra thickness for a short saw and second blade.

I'd actually argue though that the NXT is the best value-for-money MT on the market.  Outside opening, all locking, decent ergonomics, thick  stock for the driver's, good scissors, good tool selection.  It's wonderful.  Good job Gerber.

It's a cheap tool, but I don't think it feels cheap.  Yeah, no one will mistake this for a Swisstool, but it feels high quality to me.

Leatherman Free is like 5x the price.  Definitely not 5x the functionality.

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: stugumby on May 04, 2020, 11:16:43 PM

Just got in a barely used Gerber Truss, im not overly impressed with it. I only paid $22 shipped so its definitely worth $22, but the handles have hideous scrape hot spots , especially the safety closure locks. pliers are ok, knives are so small, drivers, openers look ok. grip width when using the pliers is a bit bulky and the rough edges dont make a good squeeze possible unless wearing light gloves of some kind. I will use it at work for 30 days and see where it ends up, probably in the loaner box at work or maybe in a light duty bail out bag in the car. Didnt have a sheath or bits but i can scrounge those eventually if i like it enough. Might leave it out on patio bucket with wifes garden stuff.  :o

Title: Re: Gerber Truss and Suspension NXT
Post by: Regardswithnoremains on January 21, 2021, 01:34:03 PM

I have a question for whoever can answer it regarding the finish on the truss handles.

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