Post by: WiseDuck on October 18, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
I'm on my phone. So no pics. Check the website.
I'm totally stoked about this one, I'm gonna get myself one of these as soon as they're available online. To speed things up, would anyone from the US be willing to ship me one? Of course I'll cover all costs. Otherwise it'll take a while before the stores that ship to Sweden will get them.
Post by: WiseDuck on October 18, 2016, 12:26:03 PM
Post by: WiseDuck on October 18, 2016, 12:29:11 PM
Post by: Padre on October 18, 2016, 01:11:07 PM
I like the pry bar.
Whats up with the drop on the blade after the belly?
It has something from Skeletool also.
I think I'll wait for a while and see peoples opinions about it.
Good that it is spring loaded. The awl looks too thick.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 18, 2016, 01:23:36 PM
The investment cast plier head looks a little too complicated for it's own good. I can understand the desire to keep casting costs down, but I am a little unsure as to what integrity would be produced by this method, and therefore the duty level of the pliers.
They look like the standard carbide cutters, but sufficiently out of the way so as not to foul when gripping like the LM replaceable ones do.
The "awl" looks like a handy marking knife, but the taper is a little steep for what I would expect from an awl. However, no saw kind of renders a marking knife less necessary perhaps.
The effectiveness of the "Shard" cap lifter as a pry tool will depend on. The thickness of the material. I would expect a regular thickness, rather than the beefed up version on the Spirit.
Can't fault the blade configuration. An OHO plain edge with a secondary serrated blade will please a lot of users.
If this is made in the USA, I would expect the load out to be moddable with parts from other tools. Not so if this is contracted out production - which looks more likely considering the design.
They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.
Overall, subject to pricing, I would expect this to be a bigger hit than the Shift. I think this will tick a lot of boxes for many people.
As with all tools however, the proof is in the usage. If the strength and durability is there, then well done Gerber! If not, it doesn't matter a toss how clever the design is. Let's hope this is one of their rugged faithful offerings.
Post by: jerseydevil on October 18, 2016, 05:08:45 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on October 18, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
So, I may use my LM until they say "Charge at the face of competition" or something?
Post by: Grathr on October 18, 2016, 05:56:40 PM
I like what I see though. Looking forward to reading the first reviews here.
Do anyone know what the price will be?
Post by: Padre on October 18, 2016, 06:22:24 PM
They certainly arent modest in that promo video...
I like what I see though. Looking forward to reading the first reviews here.
Do anyone know what the price will be?
Price is same as Wave? Hopefully less.
I also dislike the straight comparison, if this fails its even worse for Gerber. Also this doesn't even compete with Wave as this tool is missing saw, file and scissors.
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 18, 2016, 06:50:37 PM
looks more like an OHT competitor, (they even snuck an OHT comparison in amongst the Wave comparison pics, probably because the knife blade is the same size!). Although if we are being honest, the only tools out there with a similar bit driver are other Gerber Products (MP1, Fit, Balance etc.), And the Multitasker I guess...They certainly arent modest in that promo video...
I like what I see though. Looking forward to reading the first reviews here.
Do anyone know what the price will be?
Price is same as Wave? Hopefully less.
I also dislike the straight comparison, if this fails its even worse for Gerber. Also this doesn't even compete with Wave as this tool is missing saw, file and scissors.
Post by: Demel on October 18, 2016, 07:48:46 PM
Post by: Smashie on October 18, 2016, 08:06:47 PM
Post by: kaput on October 18, 2016, 09:07:05 PM
Gerber is always thinking outside the box, sometimes it really works great. I like and used the crap out of my crucial and dime. I applaud them for that :clap:. I'm excited to here the meme era thoughts and reviews when they get them in the hand.
Oh yeah. And spring loaded pliers!! :gimme:
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 18, 2016, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: rdub934 on October 18, 2016, 10:50:43 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on October 18, 2016, 10:54:39 PM
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM05553_zps54l3venx.jpg)
but it's worn out and maybe I need something capable, similar and a worthy successor for this magnificient tool.
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/CAM05552_zpsz7shpkje.jpg)
The head shape and cutters remind me of the Legend too...I prefer the CE blade, though
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/IMG_20160401_115219_556_zpssrk9rvah.jpg)
anybody know any specs? Will it be as thick as the MP800, as heavy?
(http://i1314.photobucket.com/albums/t562/ThePeacent/IMG_20160404_155820_187_zpsidh1y37y.jpg)
Thanks, I'll have my eye put on this one for sure!!
Post by: Demel on October 18, 2016, 11:47:15 PM
I just realized... I dont think you can flick these open, since there is only a slider on one side! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Never fear, flicking is an option :rofl:
Post by: Demel on October 19, 2016, 12:01:02 AM
:hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff: To Gerber. It's a bold move to tackle the giant of any industry, but this one is not even hinting. Many people do not like the mini driver on the wave, nor the fact it lacks an awl, people complained about the wave scissors (I like them, but some don't). Also a negative to most of the Wave competition is the lack of oho blade. Check, check, and check so far. Add that to replaceable cutters, usa made, oho pliers, no scissors or saw (but a lot of people use some type of power saw and are satisfied with their classic scissors) Oh and don't forget the cries of a standard bit driver for multi tools......it seems like Gerber has been listening to it's customers and it's competitors customers.
Btw really good marketing idea to drop this the first of November. Just in time for a million and one Christmas shoppers looking for something for dad, uncle, brother...I'm genuinely excited for this tool. :gimme: :gimme: :gimme: :gimme:
Post by: powernoodle on October 19, 2016, 12:17:54 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 12:34:30 AM
I'm always pleased to see more MT offerings. The competition is good, and if anything it exerts a downward pressure on costs. And this one looks like a decent MT.
Should we be expecting a winter or summer burial for it? :P :D
Post by: jerseydevil on October 19, 2016, 12:47:52 AM
I'm always pleased to see more MT offerings. The competition is good, and if anything it exerts a downward pressure on costs. And this one looks like a decent MT.
Should we be expecting a winter or summer burial for it? :P :D
:rofl:
Seriously, I like what I see. I'll be waiting for its release...... :tu:
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 01:01:13 AM
They're not pulling any punches in the marketting
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 01:01:53 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 01:03:23 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 01:04:08 AM
Post by: SteveC on October 19, 2016, 01:28:10 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 01:51:12 AM
Many people do not like the mini driver on the wave, nor the fact it lacks an awl, people complained about the wave scissors (I like them, but some don't). Also a negative to most of the Wave competition is the lack of oho blade. Check, check, and check so far. Add that to replaceable cutters, usa made, oho pliers, no scissors or saw (but a lot of people use some type of power saw and are satisfied with their classic scissors) Oh and don't forget the cries of a standard bit driver for multi tools......it seems like Gerber has been listening to it's customers and it's competitors customers.
When I was running an engineering company, the Wave was actually an ideal choice for me. The pocket clip meant no snag hazards from a belt sheath (which I refused to wear for safety reasons). The OHO serrated blade was ideal for tearing through cling film used to wrap large irregular components, and the diamond file could tickle up a HSS flat scraping blade or forming tool on an old manual roll turning lathe if I didn't have an emery stick handy. The mini driver even came in handy for repairs and adjustments on some metrology items.
However, as a jobsite tool, I think they've picked a good tool choice to appeal to a wide market. I'm not ready to part with my Wave, Spirit, MP600's, or LC6 just yet, and I'm also off the jobsite at the moment, but I'm certainly looking forward to reviews from users who make their tools work for a living
Post by: Chako on October 19, 2016, 01:56:06 AM
Post by: rdub934 on October 19, 2016, 02:12:36 AM
You can lead a horse to water, right?
Post by: Monrogue on October 19, 2016, 02:56:49 AM
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Post by: rdub934 on October 19, 2016, 03:35:47 AM
http://soldiersystems.net/2016/10/18/gerber-center-drive/
Post by: G-Dizzle on October 19, 2016, 06:30:59 AM
Post by: Padre on October 19, 2016, 06:51:53 AM
A bit (yes, bit) more than i expected, but if quality of the file and locks are good enough this just might do it.
Post by: Aloha on October 19, 2016, 07:12:26 AM
I cannot wait till one of you Gerber gurus get a hold of this.
Post by: kaput on October 19, 2016, 07:29:59 AM
That review posted above I checked out and a couple of those pictures had me thinking. Of course I need to here more first hand accounts when it gets released and have one to test in my own hand to fully know. But does the looks of the first and third picture make the center drive screwdriver be in a precarious place for hand ergonomics when using the pliers? By the way what's the little black tail on the first pic, bottom right? And is the surface of the wire cutters appear small and close to the pivot for getting a substantial cut on a thicker gauge wire in the fourth pic? And in the fifth pic does the knifes "unlock" bar seem like it could be engaged/disengaged with various grips? I'm geeking out with questions already, sorry. I'm a nerd :D
Can't wait to see this, and for some of you guys to get one and put it to use!! :cheers: Way to go Gerber! I was seeing posts on insta the last couple days and it's nice we're getting more and more info! :cheers:
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
After the MP1 Gerber again brings out another MT with a long standard bit holder and that is great. Don't fancy the design that much, looks like it has a lot of potential hot-spots that are not so nice to grip with my soft office-worker hands.
I don't care for that marketing either (if you want to compare don't cheat. Compare it to the Wave/ OHT / Both all the way).. The only kind of marketing I like is when a member here writes a review :pok:
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 10:57:13 AM
It actually looks like it is leaning towards the outside.They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Darn, we need more pictures.
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Post by: ReamerPunch on October 19, 2016, 01:24:34 PM
Also, this is not in production yet right? How did those guys talk about it as if they had it for years? Something is amiss here friends.
Kind of a bold move showing the Wave and OHT and snapping the eyeglass driver bit, but this looks better than the overhyped Swiza and PowerPlay campaigns.
Hopefully LM (and maybe Vic and SOG) will decide to compare products with Gerber bombs, or actually create models to take on the Center Drive.
Post by: kkokkolis on October 19, 2016, 01:51:27 PM
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 19, 2016, 02:02:42 PM
Victorinox has a centered driver, with ratchet, good leverage, great reach, capable for presicion use, which takes standard 6mm hex and the legendary corckscrew driver (the Hex version) and can be used as a sidekick of any Multitool or SAK on the market, regardless of brand, it is strong and beautiful and bears the Vic shield emblem. So, what's the big deal?Well to start, that isnt actually a pliers based multitool...
Although I agree, Vic is missing out by not marketing that more. The Vic driver tool + a regular multi is a much better solution, since you are sheath carrying anyhow
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 03:36:45 PM
If memory serves me right, the Wenger PocketGrip has a center-driver that takes standard bits, right?Victorinox has a centered driver, with ratchet, good leverage, great reach, capable for presicion use, which takes standard 6mm hex and the legendary corckscrew driver (the Hex version) and can be used as a sidekick of any Multitool or SAK on the market, regardless of brand, it is strong and beautiful and bears the Vic shield emblem. So, what's the big deal?Well to start, that isnt actually a pliers based multitool...
Although I agree, Vic is missing out by not marketing that more. The Vic driver tool + a regular multi is a much better solution, since you are sheath carrying anyhow
Post by: Padre on October 19, 2016, 03:47:02 PM
If memory serves me right, the Wenger PocketGrip has a center-driver that takes standard bits, right?Victorinox has a centered driver, with ratchet, good leverage, great reach, capable for presicion use, which takes standard 6mm hex and the legendary corckscrew driver (the Hex version) and can be used as a sidekick of any Multitool or SAK on the market, regardless of brand, it is strong and beautiful and bears the Vic shield emblem. So, what's the big deal?Well to start, that isnt actually a pliers based multitool...
Although I agree, Vic is missing out by not marketing that more. The Vic driver tool + a regular multi is a much better solution, since you are sheath carrying anyhow
I wouldn't campare PocketGrip to full size plier based multitool still... Its an basic 85mm Wenger right? Also not for sale and used ones are much higher priced than this will ever be.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 19, 2016, 05:10:28 PM
http://multitool.org/item/204-new-tool-available-november-1st
Although I don't think I have said much that hasn't already been covered here. :D
Def
Post by: Grathr on October 19, 2016, 05:46:54 PM
In case anyone is interested...
http://multitool.org/item/204-new-tool-available-november-1st
Although I don't think I have said much that hasn't already been covered here. :D
Def
Nice write up :tu:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 19, 2016, 06:26:08 PM
It has everything you want in a tool- good price point, good design from people who have obviously been listening to the users, not a lot for the sake of being fancy or pretty, as much knife blade as you can fit into it (which reminds me of Evil's Skeletool blade mod (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,20842.0.html) where a much larger blade was fitted into the existing slot because Leatherman left so much extra space), and they didn't forget the other tools. This is a whole new design, but not cheaped out on, and still being true to the tradition of excellent Gerber sliding head plier tools of the past.
I have to say, I am really stoked about this tool, in a way I really haven't been for a long time. Put this up against the $175 Tread and all I can say is "Leather who?"
I can't wait to put one of these to work and see what it can do. If it can back up the huge cheque Gerber is writing with their marketing, then this may well be one of the all time best multitools ever made.
Does that mean it's perfect? Not necessarily, as a lot of personal preference comes in- I'd like it with the carbide cutters in a blunt nose MP600 type head, with no spring. Others like the spring, but want no cutters, or a longer needle nose. It's never going to be perfect unless Gerber offers it in 300 different variations, like they already do with the MP600, but I think it is coming a lot closer to being a damned fine multitool in an industry that is getting further away from plier tools.
For the past few years we haven't seen much new or exciting in the plier based tool category- SOG has released some cool stuff, but they have suffered somewhat from being manufactured overseas, which is the downfall of a lot of SOG's stuff lately. I am also not a huge fan of the LM OHT, feeling it is a crappy copy of Gerber's design, and I was lukewarm at best over the MUT. Victorinox hasn't given us any new multitools since they finally gave us the Spirit with the configuration we'd all been wanting since the original came out. Basically no one has done anything great with the plier based concept for a long time, and even I was starting to think that the day of the cool plier based tool was over and done with.
And now, here comes the Center Drive.
I love the look.
I love the functions.
I love the design.
Gerber really paid attentions and did their homework on this one. Virtually everything everyone here has been saying for years, Gerber has done with this.
USA made.
3D screwdrivers.
One handed opening.
And they have done it at a very reasonable price point- I mean $89 MSRP is insane for a USA made tool. The MUT, the Tread, the Charge and the OHT are all well over a hundred bananas, and none of them can get a recessed screw to save your life.
This tool shows me that there is a future to the plier based multitool, and all it takes is someone willing to reach out and grab it.
Def
Post by: kaput on October 19, 2016, 06:38:42 PM
http://soldiersystems.net/2016/10/18/gerber-center-drive/It actually looks like it is leaning towards the outside.They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Darn, we need more pictures.
Posted above. And one of the pics does show the centering better.
Post by: kkokkolis on October 19, 2016, 08:38:39 PM
By the time it reaches Greece it might climb over 100 euros, even higher. If it will be close to a 100, I'll give it a try.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 08:43:37 PM
Thanks- I have to say, this one looks like (to me, at first glance) more than a simple gimmick. Gerber put a lot of thought into this one, and if it does what they say it does, and has the quality we have come to expect from the Multiplier series then I think we are in for something really special.
It has everything you want in a tool- good price point, good design from people who have obviously been listening to the users, not a lot for the sake of being fancy or pretty, as much knife blade as you can fit into it (which reminds me of Evil's Skeletool blade mod (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,20842.0.html) where a much larger blade was fitted into the existing slot because Leatherman left so much extra space), and they didn't forget the other tools. This is a whole new design, but not cheaped out on, and still being true to the tradition of excellent Gerber sliding head plier tools of the past.
I have to say, I am really stoked about this tool, in a way I really haven't been for a long time. Put this up against the $175 Tread and all I can say is "Leather who?"
I can't wait to put one of these to work and see what it can do. If it can back up the huge cheque Gerber is writing with their marketing, then this may well be one of the all time best multitools ever made.
Does that mean it's perfect? Not necessarily, as a lot of personal preference comes in- I'd like it with the carbide cutters in a blunt nose MP600 type head, with no spring. Others like the spring, but want no cutters, or a longer needle nose. It's never going to be perfect unless Gerber offers it in 300 different variations, like they already do with the MP600, but I think it is coming a lot closer to being a damned fine multitool in an industry that is getting further away from plier tools.
For the past few years we haven't seen much new or exciting in the plier based tool category- SOG has released some cool stuff, but they have suffered somewhat from being manufactured overseas, which is the downfall of a lot of SOG's stuff lately. I am also not a huge fan of the LM OHT, feeling it is a crappy copy of Gerber's design, and I was lukewarm at best over the MUT. Victorinox hasn't given us any new multitools since they finally gave us the Spirit with the configuration we'd all been wanting since the original came out. Basically no one has done anything great with the plier based concept for a long time, and even I was starting to think that the day of the cool plier based tool was over and done with.
And now, here comes the Center Drive.
I love the look.
I love the functions.
I love the design.
Gerber really paid attentions and did their homework on this one. Virtually everything everyone here has been saying for years, Gerber has done with this.
USA made.
3D screwdrivers.
One handed opening.
And they have done it at a very reasonable price point- I mean $89 MSRP is insane for a USA made tool. The MUT, the Tread, the Charge and the OHT are all well over a hundred bananas, and none of them can get a recessed screw to save your life.
This tool shows me that there is a future to the plier based multitool, and all it takes is someone willing to reach out and grab it.
Def
Nice appraisal Grant, and nice write up on the main site :tu:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 19, 2016, 09:04:49 PM
http://knifenews.com/gerber-center-drive-multitool/?utm_source=KnifeNews+List&utm_campaign=d9043a5e42-GerberMultitool10_19_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_575065eac1-d9043a5e42-121672917
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Post by: Aloha on October 19, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
Thanks. I've been quoted elsewhere too. :D
http://knifenews.com/gerber-center-drive-multitool/?utm_source=KnifeNews+List&utm_campaign=d9043a5e42-GerberMultitool10_19_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_575065eac1-d9043a5e42-121672917
Def
:salute:
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
Its well centered between the two handle halves but not so much in the width. See my picturehttp://soldiersystems.net/2016/10/18/gerber-center-drive/It actually looks like it is leaning towards the outside.They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Darn, we need more pictures.
Posted above. And one of the pics does show the centering better.
Post by: kaput on October 19, 2016, 10:22:24 PM
I do and you're right! Maybe it should have been branded as The Center(ish) Drive :whistle:Its well centered between the two handle halves but not so much in the width. See my picturehttp://soldiersystems.net/2016/10/18/gerber-center-drive/It actually looks like it is leaning towards the outside.They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Darn, we need more pictures.
Posted above. And one of the pics does show the centering better.
Post by: Etherealicer on October 19, 2016, 10:47:10 PM
I wonder if they could not have solved this offset too.Should be possible, no? Anyway, not so certain it matters that much, as the handle is too large to really use it like you would a screwdriver. That is possibly good enough for a comfortable use.I do and you're right! Maybe it should have been branded as The Center(ish) Drive :whistle:Its well centered between the two handle halves but not so much in the width. See my picturehttp://soldiersystems.net/2016/10/18/gerber-center-drive/It actually looks like it is leaning towards the outside.They might have made a bit of a booboo with the first central bit driver claim, as I think the new SOGs offer that don't they? (albeit off the pliers rather than a driver "arm"). Again, I hope the integrity of the investment casting is up to the torsional loading.Ok, hard to tell from those images/videos, but I also think the SOG is the only true center drive :P
I mean it looks like the "center drive" is nowhere near the center. Yes, it is in the middle between the handles but offset in the thickness.
Darn, we need more pictures.
Posted above. And one of the pics does show the centering better.
But it also means that if you use the Wave, half-open then its bit-holder is better centered when compared to the Centerish-Drive.
Also, if I look at the images from the MP-1 (pictures from J-sews and Chako), I'm not so sure it is that big of an improvement (regarding the driver) as you can also use the MP-1 in half open position.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/jooliesews/Bobbys/Bobbys%20II/MP1k_zps0089274c.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo001/IMG_3269small_zps38e8e3c6.jpg)
But I have to say, the Center Drive Driver looks sturdier.
Post by: schoi604 on October 19, 2016, 11:01:36 PM
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 19, 2016, 11:14:47 PM
A) To stash the driver outside along the edge of the handle, making the tool significantly wider when using every other feature
B) Fixed open pliers, kind of like the Swissgrip
C) To have the arm open on a helix
They have centralised it on the larger of the two axes, and I think this will be sufficient for it to be effective and comfortable.
I do have a multitool which takes full bits, is even more screwdriver like in form, and is pretty much as central as can be, although it doesn't have the same reach.
It's called a Switchplier ;)
Post by: Goatlord666 on October 20, 2016, 02:05:03 AM
Post by: Monrogue on October 20, 2016, 02:52:59 AM
I'm already counting down with my credit card ready and my courier from the states waiting for my go signal ....GERBER FOREVER!!!Hey buddy :waving:
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Post by: babola on October 20, 2016, 03:03:23 AM
I'm already counting down with my credit card ready and my courier from the states waiting for my go signal ....GERBER FOREVER!!!
Hey - please go easy on those goats of yours, they must be petrified already.
This is a different type of tool... ;)
Post by: Etherealicer on October 20, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Thanks. I've been quoted elsewhere too. :DWoah... Mr. Fancyfamous :tu:
http://knifenews.com/gerber-center-drive-multitool/?utm_source=KnifeNews+List&utm_campaign=d9043a5e42-GerberMultitool10_19_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_575065eac1-d9043a5e42-121672917
Def
You even got your own post-tag
Quote from: knifenews
The main blade, driver arm, and pliers are all spring-assistedWait, I sort of missed that.
Looking at the video below (knife 0:22 and driver 0:27), it does not appear that either is spring assisted. :think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVu0Y6dHcAc
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 20, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
GRANT LAMONTAGNE
1974-2019
HAD HIS OWN POST TAG
:D
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Post by: Etherealicer on October 20, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
I'm proud of that post tag. In fact, I want my headstone to read:2019, huh? Staying positive, I see...
GRANT LAMONTAGNE
1974-2019
HAD HIS OWN POST TAG
:D
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Post by: Etherealicer on October 20, 2016, 02:58:18 PM
I also can't watch the videos on their site (I get a JavaScript error :ahhh).
Post by: Grathr on October 20, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
I'm getting old, but wasn't there more text on the http://center-drive.com/ website? Now there is practically no information anymore, only the tool list :think:
I also can't watch the videos on their site (I get a JavaScript error :ahhh).
Strange.
I have the same problem. :think:
Post by: Josh613 on October 20, 2016, 04:54:10 PM
Post by: Sazabi on October 20, 2016, 05:37:53 PM
Post by: Demel on October 20, 2016, 05:43:45 PM
Post by: Ryo Saeba on October 20, 2016, 06:43:00 PM
As far as the tool load out goes I'd have liked to see scissors and a saw instead of the serrated blade.
But it does look cool.
Post by: Grathr on October 20, 2016, 08:10:31 PM
Gerber must have hired a new marketing team because this release has already gotten a lot and I mean A LOT of press. If executed right, they will have put a lot of pressure on Leatherman and SOG to answer. I believe SOG already has some in the works, but Leatherman not so much.
Gerber has in the later years been in different league when it comes to marketing.
Remember the "hello trouble campaign"?
It was great!
Or the Bear Grylls collaboration. That must have made them a truckload of cash.
Post by: Gareth on October 22, 2016, 01:11:49 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 22, 2016, 01:52:33 PM
I hope to see some reviews from users who make their tools scream for mercy at the end of a day, rather than just the "fresh out of the box" reviews. I think this is a tool which is worthy of putting to proper work, MrWhippy or Jothra style :cheers:
Post by: Grathr on October 22, 2016, 04:02:42 PM
Has anyone seen it up for pre order?
I fear that it might be hard to get on this side of the pond.
Post by: kaput on October 24, 2016, 09:13:13 PM
Their instagram comments are funny.
This one said; not for people who clock out at 4:59pm
Post by: firiki on October 24, 2016, 10:11:51 PM
Also, what's that thing sticking out behind the fine edge knife in this pic? :think:
(http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68896.0;attach=290006;image)
Re marketing; I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure a direct comparison of a product to it's competitor is illegal here.
I'm interested to hear what people have to say about this new Gerber after some use. My initial thoughts by looking at the pics are that this seems like a useful thingie even though I don't like the pry tool and awl and I prefer handles opening butterfly style better. That's just me, though.
Post by: Etherealicer on October 24, 2016, 11:12:02 PM
Also, what's that thing sticking out behind the fine edge knife in this pic? :think:The way I understood it, this is a storage for an additional bit.
Post by: Demel on October 24, 2016, 11:13:25 PM
Post by: kaput on October 24, 2016, 11:42:03 PM
If you look at that picture I posted from their instagram, it lays off kilter because of said driver. Not neccesriky a problem and we'll see when they come out. Who knows maybe it will feel great in the hand because of it.
Just tool coversation. I'm still stoked :salute:
Post by: firiki on October 24, 2016, 11:43:43 PM
Also, what's that thing sticking out behind the fine edge knife in this pic? :think:The way I understood it, this is a storage for an additional bit.
So that would be a screwdriver bit. Thanks :salute:
Post by: firiki on October 24, 2016, 11:45:36 PM
Driver sits on the outside. Kind of like the Power assist. How two outside blades are on the same handle. Same with the driver and the blade here
Gotcha :cheers: Sounds uncomfortable in pliers or knife mode :ahhh
Post by: powernoodle on October 25, 2016, 02:16:39 AM
It does have a lot going for it, including the universal bit driver and sprung pliers (which I think are little funky and fragile looking). Carbide cutters have a rep for being breaky. Thumbs up on the outside opening blade. This is a major plus, and something all MTs should emulate. I may end up with one, just because I can't say no to a new MT, but I'm not ready to do cartwheels over this one.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 25, 2016, 02:53:35 AM
I am looking forward to field reviews though. I am interested to hear about it's performance when put to some serious graft, even if I don't envisage owning one myself.... or at least not in the short term anyway.
I don't see the recessed screw thing being a major issue either, as you can get long bits to go in the tool. Carrying a tool with a longer, slimmer, dedicated driver doesn't help much if the recessed screw you are tying to drive is a Torx. I think the design is right for the intended market, both in toolset and appearance - I just hope the durability is right too.
Post by: JasonJ on October 25, 2016, 02:06:36 PM
I am not a fan of Gerber MT's, none of them. BUT, that being said, I hope this is successful so that it pushes LM and SOG, any any other company that wants to play ball to step up their game and put out a response to this tool. It has some great things going on it.
But man, they sure were brash and audacious in those videos.. They had better hope this thing flies and sells well, otherwise, that's an awful lot of egg on their faces.
Post by: Sea Monster on October 25, 2016, 04:23:49 PM
(Comparing it to the LM Wave is a bit rough - They're 12 years apart...No one is comparing this years Mazda 3 to a 2004 Hyundai Excel....)
Perhaps comparing to the MUT would be a fairer deal :P
In any case, if they want to send one Down Under for an Honest Review, I'll find out if it is Sea Monster proof >:D
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 25, 2016, 06:26:23 PM
I disagree, I think it is an apt comparison. The Wave is insanely popular, and more importantly, still in production. It's not Gerber's fault that Leatherman hasn't updated the design in over a decade, that is on Leatherman. Plus, they both have some similar features, such as bit holders and one hand opening blades. Comparing it to the MUT (which is aimed at gun enthusiasts and military) would be like comparing a Hummer H2 to a Ford F250 pickup truck; similar sizes and engines, but completely different intended uses and target audiences.
...(Comparing it to the LM Wave is a bit rough - They're 12 years apart...No one is comparing this years Mazda 3 to a 2004 Hyundai Excel....)...
Post by: metasyntax on October 25, 2016, 08:10:26 PM
Comparing the blade against the OHT's is seriously :td: — unfortunately some people will be taken in by this.
I do like the thumb ramp thing, looks like it could be helpful for using the screwdriver, as long as it doesn't get in the way of other tool use.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 25, 2016, 08:54:28 PM
Why is comparing the blade to the one on the OHT wrong? It's a flicky plier tool from the guys who started the flicky plier tool, compared with the only other flicky plier tool on the market. In some ways it truly is the most direct competitor
Post by: metasyntax on October 25, 2016, 09:19:06 PM
Just playing the devil's advocate role......
Why is comparing the blade to the one on the OHT wrong? It's a flicky plier tool from the guys who started the flicky plier tool, compared with the only other flicky plier tool on the market. In some ways it truly is the most direct competitor
You're not wrong, but my beef is that they purposefully compared against two implements on two different tools. The Wave has a stubby driver, but a big blade. The OHT has a decently sized (and fairly well centered, I might add!) Phillips driver, and a short blade. What Gerber did is like saying "the Wave is the best multi-tool because it has bigger scissors than the Spirit and it's lighter than the SwissTool X!" Three of their comparison photos show the Wave, so I'd forgive a non-MTO person for not realizing at a glance that the last photo is a totally different model.
Edited: I think it would be better to say "Look, with some guys (i.e. Leatherman) you either get long drivers OR a decent-sized blade. With us, you get both; no trade-off needed." But what they said (as I read it), is "These guys have stubby drivers AND small blades, we give you both."
Edited... again: After looking at the video and everything, they should've just done a comparison against just the OHT. Pliers = about equal, Driver = advantage Center Drive, Knife = advantage Center Drive. They add the Wave and muddy things up unnecessarily. Does the Center Drive have scissors? Diamond file? Wood saw? You wanna go head-to-head, let's compare everything equally. So they shoulda just stuck with the OHT, where (again, on paper at least) they have a winner.
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 25, 2016, 09:58:23 PM
I agree, the OHT would have been a better choice to compare too, but the Wave has a considerably larger market share and customer recognition (which is why Gerber chose to go after it, I think)Just playing the devil's advocate role......
Why is comparing the blade to the one on the OHT wrong? It's a flicky plier tool from the guys who started the flicky plier tool, compared with the only other flicky plier tool on the market. In some ways it truly is the most direct competitor
You're not wrong, but my beef is that they purposefully compared against two implements on two different tools. The Wave has a stubby driver, but a big blade. The OHT has a decently sized (and fairly well centered, I might add!) Phillips driver, and a short blade. What Gerber did is like saying "the Wave is the best multi-tool because it has bigger scissors than the Spirit and it's lighter than the SwissTool X!" Three of their comparison photos show the Wave, so I'd forgive a non-MTO person for not realizing at a glance that the last photo is a totally different model.
Edited: I think it would be better to say "Look, with some guys (i.e. Leatherman) you either get long drivers OR a decent-sized blade. With us, you get both; no trade-off needed." But what they said (as I read it), is "These guys have stubby drivers AND small blades, we give you both."
Edited... again: After looking at the video and everything, they should've just done a comparison against just the OHT. Pliers = about equal, Driver = advantage Center Drive, Knife = advantage Center Drive. They add the Wave and muddy things up unnecessarily. Does the Center Drive have scissors? Diamond file? Wood saw? You wanna go head-to-head, let's compare everything equally. So they shoulda just stuck with the OHT, where (again, on paper at least) they have a winner.
Post by: kaput on October 25, 2016, 10:46:44 PM
Wow.. just saw this tool (thanks to Grant's email blast). I'm torn. It's got the right tools for a worksite, but missing some that I'd actually need or use, namely a saw and scissors, plus the awl looks incorrectly shaped.I agree with pretty much this. Although I get by without scissors. But yeah that awl is awlfull isn't it...
I am not a fan of Gerber MT's, none of them. BUT, that being said, I hope this is successful so that it pushes LM and SOG, any any other company that wants to play ball to step up their game and put out a response to this tool. It has some great things going on it.
But man, they sure were brash and audacious in those videos.. They had better hope this thing flies and sells well, otherwise, that's an awful lot of egg on their faces.
Post by: babola on October 26, 2016, 12:00:05 AM
Wow.. just saw this tool (thanks to Grant's email blast). I'm torn. It's got the right tools for a worksite, but missing some that I'd actually need or use, namely a saw and scissors, plus the awl looks incorrectly shaped.I agree with pretty much this. Although I get by without scissors. But yeah that awl is awlfull isn't it...
I am not a fan of Gerber MT's, none of them. BUT, that being said, I hope this is successful so that it pushes LM and SOG, any any other company that wants to play ball to step up their game and put out a response to this tool. It has some great things going on it.
But man, they sure were brash and audacious in those videos.. They had better hope this thing flies and sells well, otherwise, that's an awful lot of egg on their faces.
Well said, JasonJ & kaput.
Same sentiments here. Reportedly the LM Wave v3 has been in the works for some time now but they're not rushing it thru the door yet...let's hope this little 'push' from Gerber provides even more incentive to come out with the great new Wave successor. We just need to keep in mind the Wave is a 'generalist' tool, not a speSmurfpillst tool like Center-Drive, but still hoping for the best ;)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 26, 2016, 02:28:04 AM
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Post by: babola on October 26, 2016, 02:34:21 AM
When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?
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When was the last time a multi tool maker launched such an aggressive marketing campaign using pretty much all available media?
BTW, lot of us have seen enough already and have been around multitools long enough to be able to draw some pre-conclusions ;)
Post by: babola on October 26, 2016, 02:38:37 AM
The fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Post by: Monrogue on October 26, 2016, 02:41:42 AM
When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?The Signal? :think:
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Post by: Padre on October 26, 2016, 08:45:08 AM
I better wait for few years and pick CenterDrive that has been fixed already.
Post by: kaput on October 26, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Im just worried about QC of Gerber as their recent models had problems out from the box, like FliK and Diesel.I am to believe that the USA branded tools, as well as higher price point tools, haven't had as many quality control issues vs. their outsourced tools.
I better wait for few years and pick CenterDrive that has been fixed already.
Post by: Sea Monster on October 26, 2016, 09:20:26 AM
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Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
I would say they marketed it to Man On the Street who wants to feel like a mechanic with $40,000 worth of tools (and tattoos, and an embarrassing amount of grease on everything, and designer stubble)
I would tend to agree that a straight Centre-Drive VS LM OHT shootout would be "fairer", but marketing is not really about fairness - That's what we are here for :P
On the other hand - It would want to be better than the OHT. It'd be embarrassing for Gerber (or whoever the dudes in their MT department are) to have to say "Welp, they beat us at our own design."
Post by: Padre on October 26, 2016, 09:58:33 AM
Post by: Demel on October 26, 2016, 12:52:34 PM
Then again I see this as a revenge against LM OHT for them stepping on Gerbers toes. "ok, so LM created OHT, lets make some Waves then."(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/1f5d61a026cebd7c0665fc09effbdfc8.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 26, 2016, 12:54:29 PM
The fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Where was that indignity when Leatherman copied Gerber's sliding head design? Or when Leatherman copied Gerber's removable/replaceable cutters?
They also aren't saying the Center Drive is better than the OHT and Wave, they are just pointing out that their tool has a longer blade, longer screwdriver and doesn't take those flat bits, which I have hated from the get go.
When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?The Signal? :think:
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If you will recall, the majority of the posts about the Signal were negative, and one member even disliked it so much he literally flushed it down the toilet. :ahhh
At least some of the posts here are positive! :P
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Post by: Sea Monster on October 26, 2016, 01:36:33 PM
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They also aren't saying the Center Drive is better than the OHT and Wave, they are just pointing out that their tool has a longer blade, longer screwdriver and doesn't take those flat bits, which I have hated from the get go.
As I believe some Canadian git said - It's addressing a lot of the common issues brought up by Multitool users/fanciers.
I'm all for it in theory (Theory being the operative word here. This thing will likely cost in the $200-300 AUD realm, so barring some sort of magnificent event, it is very unlikely to end up on my belt - But, that's not a commentary on Gerber's ability to make a quality bit of kit...)
But, it's never too soon to tell someone how they could have done something better.. ::)
Saw would be better than a serrated blade :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 26, 2016, 01:54:28 PM
Oh yeah, and BTW, the Canadian dollar has sunk even lower than the Australian dollar, so if you think it will be pricey for you, imagine what I will have to pay for one. :ahhh
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Post by: Sea Monster on October 26, 2016, 02:27:04 PM
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Oh yeah, and BTW, the Canadian dollar has sunk even lower than the Australian dollar, so if you think it will be pricey for you, imagine what I will have to pay for one
It's too bad they won't be available here while I'm still working in Euros, I might have been able to break even somehow....
Post by: metasyntax on October 26, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
The fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Where was that indignity when Leatherman copied Gerber's sliding head design? Or when Leatherman copied Gerber's removable/replaceable cutters?
I might be wrong, but I don't think Leatherman advertised with a direct comparison against a Gerber multi. So it's not so much about what they do, but what they say and how they say it. Really, this is just advertising that's trying to build a brand. Gerber wants people to think it's a tough, down-to-earth company that doesn't mince words. A lot of people like that, it's reflected in our political season, but some find it distasteful. Either way, this advertising successfully builds that brand.
And I personally don't think that Gerber is copying Leatherman, the way Leatherman copied Gerber — as you correctly point out. I gave Leatherman a pass on the OHT because I think they build a higher quality tool. If Victorinox announced a SwissTool with a sliding plier head, you can bet I'd be totally on board with that. Relatedly, I do not feel this way about Ganzo aping the Griptillian or PM2, because that's not to build a better tool, it's just to make a cheaper one. In other words, with the OHT, the ends justified the means.
At least some of the posts here are positive! :P
To focus on the substance that an engineer created (and not the fluff that marketing came up with) — having a built-in standard bit driver with longer reach is great. I don't think it will be all that centered in the end, since it's on the outside of the tool. I also think the thumb ramp is a great idea, it could help you bear down harder on the driver, especially with wet or gloved hands. With the larger blade, I'd rather see a partially serrated edge and a wood saw on the inside. I'm curious about how thick it's going to be. I hope it's a really tough, high quality tool that will make Leatherman and SOG take notice. And I think that's all I've got to say until it gets released and somebody buys one. :tu:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 26, 2016, 04:22:10 PM
And, to add insult to injury, when it came to a military contract years ago calling for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber also beat Leatherman out with the MPT. From a certain point of view, one could say that when the contract calls for a Gerber, Gerber wins. When the contract calls for a Leatherman, Gerber wins... :P
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Post by: Sea Monster on October 26, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
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The funny thing about the OHT is this- there are military contracts that specifically call for a sliding head plier tool, and that is why LM created the OHT, as soon as Gerber's patent on the design expired. As of yet, I have not heard of the OHT being issued to any military groups, and at twice the price of an MP600 I doubt it ever will.
And, to add insult to injury, when it came to a military contract years ago calling for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber also beat Leatherman out with the MPT. From a certain point of view, one could say that when the contract calls for a Gerber, Gerber wins. When the contract calls for a Leatherman, Gerber wins..
This is the case for the USA, and I know a few other nations that have Gerbers issued,
Aus managed to get Swisstools (Excellent choice) then changed their mind and got LM Cores (also a reasonable choice), but finally settled on Schrade *tough* tools :rofl:
I'm not too sure what government contracts think the difference is between a special military tool and a regular multitool. Probably that it comes in black.
So, assuming the Centre-Drive comes in the appropriate Ninja fashions, perhaps it'll get it's opportunity to be issued somewhere :P
Post by: Monrogue on October 26, 2016, 07:14:44 PM
Oh yes, I do remember it was mostly negative talk, but I just meant that there was a lot of talk ;) I do remember the infamous Signal flushing :ahhhThe fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Where was that indignity when Leatherman copied Gerber's sliding head design? Or when Leatherman copied Gerber's removable/replaceable cutters?
They also aren't saying the Center Drive is better than the OHT and Wave, they are just pointing out that their tool has a longer blade, longer screwdriver and doesn't take those flat bits, which I have hated from the get go.When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?The Signal? :think:
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At least some of the posts here are positive!
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Post by: sawman on October 26, 2016, 07:56:57 PM
:cheers:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 27, 2016, 12:40:00 AM
Oh yes, I do remember it was mostly negative talk, but I just meant that there was a lot of talk ;) I do remember the infamous Signal flushing :ahhhThe fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Where was that indignity when Leatherman copied Gerber's sliding head design? Or when Leatherman copied Gerber's removable/replaceable cutters?
They also aren't saying the Center Drive is better than the OHT and Wave, they are just pointing out that their tool has a longer blade, longer screwdriver and doesn't take those flat bits, which I have hated from the get go.When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?The Signal? :think:
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If you will recall, the majority of the posts about the Signal were negative, and one member even disliked it so much he literally flushed it down the toilet. :ahhh
At least some of the posts here are positive!
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There was also a lot of talk about the Tread too... that is no indicator that something is good! :P
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Post by: RX7_Freak on October 27, 2016, 12:41:54 AM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LX91NIU
:gimme:
Post by: Monrogue on October 27, 2016, 12:45:19 AM
Indeed. I never paid any attention to the Tread though. I am interested in this new Gerber for sure, even though one of its big selling points is the driver which I would hardly ever use. However, the OHO pliers and knife are two features I really like.Oh yes, I do remember it was mostly negative talk, but I just meant that there was a lot of talk ;) I do remember the infamous Signal flushing :ahhhThe fact that they attacked the WAVE left a real bad taste in my mouth. They act like Gerber invented a bit driver. Let's face it, good tool, but they added a long bit driver with standard bits. Then they marketed the commercial toward a mechanic who has $40,000 worth of tools. Like I said, good tool, but nothing special and a marketing strategy that is embarrassing.
Tend to agree with you.
Also as you pointed out people sometimes forget multitool isn't a serious tool. It is not something a serious mechanic or a worker should rely on. They are merely backup, compact, utility side tools. And if they're all you have on you in a situation that calls for one, all the better - that's where the multitools come to the fore - "the best tool is the one you have on you" sort of thing.
Where was that indignity when Leatherman copied Gerber's sliding head design? Or when Leatherman copied Gerber's removable/replaceable cutters?
They also aren't saying the Center Drive is better than the OHT and Wave, they are just pointing out that their tool has a longer blade, longer screwdriver and doesn't take those flat bits, which I have hated from the get go.When was the last time we had four pages worth of discussion regarding any tool that no one has actually handled yet?The Signal? :think:
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If you will recall, the majority of the posts about the Signal were negative, and one member even disliked it so much he literally flushed it down the toilet. :ahhh
At least some of the posts here are positive!
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There was also a lot of talk about the Tread too... that is no indicator that something is good!
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 27, 2016, 12:45:50 AM
FYI - For those interested I just noticed that Amazon.com now has this available for pre-order.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LX91NIU
:gimme:
After the great Skeletool Fiasco of 2008 I really hate preorders.
For those that don't recall, folks preordered Skeletools online months before the release date, and when that date came and went, folks were buying them off the shelves at Home Depot while the folks who had preordered them were still waiting.
Your mileage may vary, but I'll be waiting until someone has them in stock before I plunk down money.
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 27, 2016, 01:24:34 AM
There had been the gun specific MUT with it's odd features that nobody actually wanted, swathes of one piece tools for obscure sports that hardly anyone does, and a pair of overpriced folding scissors which were not sanitary enough for their supposed audience - and then suddenly, and actually useable and desirable (allegedly) tool came out. An everyday pocketable sized version of a tool that many liked. Everyone got excited, and then took them apart to put the scissors in that Leatherman should have put in themselves, or bought them just to rob the heads off them and fit them in a Wave, oblivious to the fact that Leatherman was grinning about this because you had to buy two tools to make one that you actually wanted......
I do expect this Centre Drive to have a mixed reception. I also expect that some people might not really catch onto the concept till later - much like some people do with the MP600. They write it off because it's not made by who they think the best tools should be made by (according to the internet), and doesn't have fancy tools or sleek look ..... then they finally try one, and realise they're a tank of a tool, and those flicky pliers are really handy. I hope this will be another one of the tools that can stand the test of time, and not suddenly disappear from the catalogue 2 years after it's release. I also hope the file has teeth on the edge this time.
Post by: Grathr on October 27, 2016, 02:24:09 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on October 27, 2016, 02:49:44 AM
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Post by: gustophersmob on October 27, 2016, 05:49:27 PM
I also wonder if the thumb test lock thing is plastic? If so, how durable will it be?
If the Amazon pre order price is accurate, I'm not a fan. Seems a bit much compared to others.
Post by: sLaughterMed on October 27, 2016, 05:56:12 PM
This looks really nice. I am a little unsure of the "liner" locks for the blade and but driver. They look awfully small to handle much load. I guess having the tool in hand will tell moreas for the price, it's not really that much more than a Wave https://www.amazon.com/Leatherman-Multi-Tool-Stainless-Leather-Sheath/dp/B000JCN6C8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1477583457&sr=8-2&keywords=leatherman+wave
I also wonder if the thumb test lock thing is plastic? If so, how durable will it be?
If the Amazon pre order price is accurate, I'm not a fan. Seems a bit much compared to others.
I would expect the price to lower once it hits the secondary market.
As for the plastic lock you are talking about, if you meant the plastic thumb ramp on the inside tool side, It is a modification of Gerber's established SafT Lock mechanism from their MP600 series, and is very reliable (plus, the plastic is just a cover for ergonomics, the load bearing components are all metal).
Post by: babola on October 31, 2016, 09:42:24 PM
:rofl:
It's still there today...LOL
The price is down 10%, though.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 31, 2016, 09:48:40 PM
Post by: babola on October 31, 2016, 10:02:22 PM
Still above the MSRP though. Give it time for the stockists to get their consignments in, and let them start fighting for orders ;)
Hmm, don't think so.
Remember Gerber flashed different kit options few days ago on their website: tool only, tool + sheath, tool + sheath + bit set. They mention $89 as a starting price for the basic product (tool-only).
Let's see, it will all be revealed tomorrow.
Post by: Mechanickal on October 31, 2016, 10:18:35 PM
Worldwide, or amazon countries only?Still above the MSRP though. Give it time for the stockists to get their consignments in, and let them start fighting for orders ;)
Hmm, don't think so.
Remember Gerber flashed different kit options few days ago on their website: tool only, tool + sheath, tool + sheath + bit set. They mention $89 as a starting price for the basic product (tool-only).
Let's see, it will all be revealed tomorrow.
Post by: babola on October 31, 2016, 10:24:06 PM
Worldwide, or amazon countries only?Still above the MSRP though. Give it time for the stockists to get their consignments in, and let them start fighting for orders ;)
Hmm, don't think so.
Remember Gerber flashed different kit options few days ago on their website: tool only, tool + sheath, tool + sheath + bit set. They mention $89 as a starting price for the basic product (tool-only).
Let's see, it will all be revealed tomorrow.
Gerber web site.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on October 31, 2016, 10:30:20 PM
Still above the MSRP though. Give it time for the stockists to get their consignments in, and let them start fighting for orders ;)
Hmm, don't think so.
Remember Gerber flashed different kit options few days ago on their website: tool only, tool + sheath, tool + sheath + bit set. They mention $89 as a starting price for the basic product (tool-only).
Let's see, it will all be revealed tomorrow.
Ahh, good call :salute:
Post by: TazzieRob on November 01, 2016, 12:53:32 AM
Leatherman only need to release a bit extender with a dog legged shank and they would have a truly centre drive tool that takes standard sized 6mm / 1/4" bits, albeit one that has to be deployed in more steps than the Gerber. If the screw driver is one of your most used tools, externally opening is going to be a huge plus. I can see where they get creative with the marketing, they aren't saying they are the first tool with centre (center) drive screw driver, just the first to have a full sized bit driver on the centre(ish) axis.
Benefit of the LM offering is you can open the tool one handle half way for more leverage, or all the way to 180 degrees to fit into tighter space. Also the flat bits mean I can carry the equivalent of 22 extra bits in a package approximately 100mm x 25mm x 6mm (4" x 1" x 1/4") that fits in the sheath with my Surge. 22 standard sized single sided bits would take up so much room I'd never carry them. I don't see them as a replacement for a dedicated driver, but useful in a pinch. In the Surge I'd happily forego the can opener for a beefier bit holder.
Hopefully this is a platform that Gerber will use to release different variants of the tool. I personally, however, am not that interested in a multitool without scissors. The ergonomics of the pliers look to be a winner for Gerber, though I haven't owned any of the MP offerings. Butterfly style of Wave and especially the Surge splay out a fair way and make wrapping your hands around the tool on larger diameter material a lot harder.
Post by: babola on November 01, 2016, 08:19:15 AM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 01, 2016, 08:33:27 AM
Amazon stock just sold out in under 7 minutes. This must be a record for a multitool.
I thought Screwdriver by Prince was a record for multitools :whistle:
Post by: babola on November 01, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
Amazon stock just sold out in under 7 minutes. This must be a record for a multitool.
I thought Screwdriver by Prince was a record for multitools :whistle:
:megaslap:
Post by: Grathr on November 01, 2016, 08:53:15 AM
I was too late. :(
If I order one, I wonder how long it will take to get back in stock?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 01, 2016, 12:19:01 PM
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Post by: Monrogue on November 01, 2016, 03:59:49 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 01, 2016, 04:14:13 PM
They say they may get some in, and the guy seemed really pumped to see what they were, but that was only after I told him they existed. He'd never heard of them before.
Guess I'm not expecting to get one locally any time soon. I hope others have had more luck?
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Post by: Grathr on November 01, 2016, 04:20:06 PM
Post by: bftx on November 01, 2016, 05:30:19 PM
Mine will arrive Thursday, I'll post detailed pictures and impressions when it arrives.
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Post by: babola on November 01, 2016, 08:04:55 PM
Post by: bftx on November 01, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
That Amazon price of $90 for the full set is looking more and more attractive, especially when compared with full set retail of $120 on Gerber's website.I almost bought it on Amazon, but they were sold out. Found the full set on Midway USA for 99, but you don't pay taxes so it evens out.
I've never been this excited about a multi tool.
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Post by: bftx on November 03, 2016, 03:34:53 AM
I would like to see a review by someone before I try and replace the surgeI'll have a first impression with pictures tomorrow.
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Post by: Idahoreferman on November 03, 2016, 04:22:53 AM
I can not waitI would like to see a review by someone before I try and replace the surgeI'll have a first impression with pictures tomorrow.
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Post by: Monrogue on November 03, 2016, 05:01:11 AM
Post by: kaput on November 03, 2016, 05:28:58 AM
:popcorn::popcorn: I can haz popped corns
Post by: Gareth on November 03, 2016, 09:42:24 AM
Post by: dks on November 03, 2016, 09:58:47 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
:ahhh
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Post by: mcb on November 03, 2016, 03:59:58 PM
I am anxious to compare the Center Drive Kit to my Surge Kit. Either way my EDC is still my Skeletool.
ETA: Dang... Amazon just informed me that its going to be late. They are stating Dec 3 as the new ship date... Wow I might just cancel the order now.
Post by: bftx on November 03, 2016, 11:13:58 PM
I didn't receive the bit set, even though I ordered the model that included the bit set.
I can tell this tool is tough, but IMO the sliding plier feature isn't as good as seen on the MP400 and 600. On the Center Drive, the unlock/slide mechanism is on one side of the tool, and doesn't seem quite as smooth. I may get use to this.
A few negatives, the blade is slightly bent and rubs on the frame when closed, the bit driver when extended has a bit of vertical and horizontal play.
I'm going to exchange this one for another Center Drive and see if I have any better luck.
Quick impressions, great design, but the build quality, and precision isn't quite there on my model. The knife blade is fantastic, and sturdy! The bit driver feels fantastic, best driver on any multi tool. The tools inside the handle have a bit of play when out/locked, but I remember the MP400/600 didn't have super sturdy lockup. Also, the file is 2 sided, I was sure hoping to see the bottom edge have a filing portion. The awl is super sharp and will be a good marking tool.
Just throwing my thoughts out there and first impressions. Any questions, ask away.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 03, 2016, 11:27:50 PM
I received the Center Drive today, a bit of good, and a bit of bad.
I didn't receive the bit set, even though I ordered the model that included the bit set.
I can tell this tool is tough, but IMO the sliding plier feature isn't as good as seen on the MP400 and 600. On the Center Drive, the unlock/slide mechanism is on one side of the tool, and doesn't seem quite as smooth. I may get use to this.
A few negatives, the blade is slightly bent and rubs on the frame when closed, the bit driver when extended has a bit of vertical and horizontal play.
I'm going to exchange this one for another Center Drive and see if I have any better luck.
Quick impressions, great design, but the build quality, and precision isn't quite there on my model. The knife blade is fantastic, and sturdy! The bit driver feels fantastic, best driver on any multi tool. The tools inside the handle have a bit of play when out/locked, but I remember the MP400/600 didn't have super sturdy lockup. Also, the file is 2 sided, I was sure hoping to see the bottom edge have a filing portion. The awl is super sharp and will be a good marking tool.
Just throwing my thoughts out there and first impressions. Any questions, ask away.
Got any pictures? :D
Def
Post by: kaput on November 03, 2016, 11:46:47 PM
I received the Center Drive today, a bit of good, and a bit of bad.
I didn't receive the bit set, even though I ordered the model that included the bit set.
I can tell this tool is tough, but IMO the sliding plier feature isn't as good as seen on the MP400 and 600. On the Center Drive, the unlock/slide mechanism is on one side of the tool, and doesn't seem quite as smooth. I may get use to this.
A few negatives, the blade is slightly bent and rubs on the frame when closed, the bit driver when extended has a bit of vertical and horizontal play.
I'm going to exchange this one for another Center Drive and see if I have any better luck.
Quick impressions, great design, but the build quality, and precision isn't quite there on my model. The knife blade is fantastic, and sturdy! The bit driver feels fantastic, best driver on any multi tool. The tools inside the handle have a bit of play when out/locked, but I remember the MP400/600 didn't have super sturdy lockup. Also, the file is 2 sided, I was sure hoping to see the bottom edge have a filing portion. The awl is super sharp and will be a good marking tool.
Just throwing my thoughts out there and first impressions. Any questions, ask away.
that took a little wind out of the sails. Thanks for the honest first impressions though. Too bad you have to exchange it already, but hope the quality on the next one is better than a Wave™ :D
Post by: Monrogue on November 03, 2016, 11:58:20 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 04, 2016, 12:03:40 AM
Post by: metasyntax on November 04, 2016, 12:06:36 AM
Quick impressions, great design, but the build quality, and precision isn't quite there on my model.
Sounds exactly like my early production MP1. Hopefully your next one is better.
Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 12:43:10 AM
I sure wish this thing had a saw over the serrated blade. Also, the nail puller/pry bar/can opener sure is beefy.
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Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 12:46:49 AM
I really really wanted to like the MP1, but all of the plastic trim on it really turned me off.Quick impressions, great design, but the build quality, and precision isn't quite there on my model.
Sounds exactly like my early production MP1. Hopefully your next one is better.
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Post by: kaput on November 04, 2016, 12:49:52 AM
Just to note, I'm a bit pickier than the average guy, some of these issues may not bother some. Also, no pictures, it's boxed up and headed back tomorrow. Eagerly awaiting the replacement.I don't think that's picky per se. Especially when you pay $100 for a pocket tool.
I sure wish this thing had a saw over the serrated blade. Also, the nail puller/pry bar/can opener sure is beefy.
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Post by: babola on November 04, 2016, 01:41:09 AM
Just to note, I'm a bit pickier than the average guy, some of these issues may not bother some. Also, no pictures, it's boxed up and headed back tomorrow. Eagerly awaiting the replacement.I don't think that's picky per se. Especially when you pay $100 for a pocket tool.
I sure wish this thing had a saw over the serrated blade. Also, the nail puller/pry bar/can opener sure is beefy.
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I tend to agree with your statement.
That said, similar if not the same is expected of $100+ Leatherman multis.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 04, 2016, 02:19:13 AM
That isn't a strike against just Gerber IMHO.
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Post by: babola on November 04, 2016, 05:03:42 AM
The diamond file on every Charge I own rubs the scale, so these things happen. And I own many Charges.
That isn't a strike against just Gerber IMHO.
Def
True, happened with two of my Charges too. However I wouldn't put this in the same category with Gerber. Charge file misalignment issue is reasonably easy fixable by re-adjusting the main handle screws, while in Gerber's Multiplier case you are pretty much helpless - unless you manage to deal with the 4-point proprietary handle screws, as an example.
I still believe Gerber will come thru good on this tool in the end, it's a great tool and the one I'd like to own myself.
Post by: Sea Monster on November 04, 2016, 05:19:03 AM
And Bftx returns on the backhand!
The ball is in the tool makers court, can their new round the clock shifts meet the challenge?
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 04, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 04, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
The diamond file on every Charge I own rubs the scale, so these things happen. And I own many Charges.
That isn't a strike against just Gerber IMHO.
Def
True, happened with two of my Charges too. However I wouldn't put this in the same category with Gerber. Charge file misalignment issue is reasonably easy fixable by re-adjusting the main handle screws, while in Gerber's Multiplier case you are pretty much helpless - unless you manage to deal with the 4-point proprietary handle screws, as an example.
I still believe Gerber will come thru good on this tool in the end, it's a great tool and the one I'd like to own myself.
I don't think Gerber's use of security screws is any different from Leatherman's use of security screws is it?
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 04, 2016, 04:23:14 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 04, 2016, 04:50:42 PM
I've been wondering, Will an M16 sight adjusting tool fit the gerber screws?You can always get the keys from loki-mobile
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 04, 2016, 05:39:54 PM
Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
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Post by: babola on November 04, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
I don't think Gerber's use of security screws is any different from Leatherman's use of security screws is it?
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I can readily get the security hex bits that fit Leatherman screws (even those pesky pentalobes on OG Wave) down in my local hardware store, but so far have been unable to find one for Gerber's.
Maybe where you live that ins't an issue, but here it is.
To work on Gerbers I so far used number off different tools but zeroed in in the end onto the round nose pliers, they're still not a perfect solution but if you go careful about it they do the job.
Edit: Loki's Gerber tool is inbound...quite a God send for us MT fiddlers and modders. :tu:
Post by: babola on November 04, 2016, 06:48:14 PM
I received a new Gerber Center Drive today, this one is A LOT better, a few flaws, but nothing as major.
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Do tell more and of course include some photos, please.
Let the discussion continue...
:popcorn:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 04, 2016, 06:52:12 PM
loki mobile sells wrenches for the Gerber (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61708.0.html)
I don't think Gerber's use of security screws is any different from Leatherman's use of security screws is it?
Def
I can readily get the security hex bits that fit Leatherman screws (even those pesky pentalobes on OG Wave) down in my local hardware store, but so far have been unable to find one for Gerber's.
Maybe where you live that ins't an issue, but here it is.
To work on Gerbers I so far used number off different tools but zeroed in in the end onto the round nose pliers, they're still not a perfect solution but if you go careful about it they do the job.
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 04, 2016, 06:52:25 PM
I received a new Gerber Center Drive today, this one is A LOT better, a few flaws, but nothing as major.
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That was fast...
I received a new Gerber Center Drive today, this one is A LOT better, a few flaws, but nothing as major.
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Do tell more and of course include some photos, please.
Let the discussion continue...
:popcorn:
This, please.
Post by: babola on November 04, 2016, 06:53:38 PM
I've been wondering, Will an M16 sight adjusting tool fit the gerber screws?You can always get the keys from loki-mobile
Thanks, will ping Loki.
Cheers
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 04, 2016, 06:59:39 PM
loki mobile sells wrenches for the Gerber (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61708.0.html)
I don't think Gerber's use of security screws is any different from Leatherman's use of security screws is it?
Def
I can readily get the security hex bits that fit Leatherman screws (even those pesky pentalobes on OG Wave) down in my local hardware store, but so far have been unable to find one for Gerber's.
Maybe where you live that ins't an issue, but here it is.
To work on Gerbers I so far used number off different tools but zeroed in in the end onto the round nose pliers, they're still not a perfect solution but if you go careful about it they do the job.
Gerber sells them too :D
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Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 07:02:14 PM
To those doubting this tool because of me, don't! The design is good, I've just had acouple that are off a bit.
I'm going to give them another go when I can inspect them in store.
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Post by: Etherealicer on November 04, 2016, 07:03:50 PM
Hey fellas, after messing with the new tool again, I think I'm going to send it back and get a refund. The tip of the pliers don't align perfectly and have some wiggle.Did you take any picture this time?
To those doubting this tool because of me, don't! The design is good, I've just had acouple that are off a bit.
I'm going to give them another go when I can inspect them in store.
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Post by: WoodsDuck on November 04, 2016, 07:04:45 PM
Hey fellas, after messing with the new tool again, I think I'm going to send it back and get a refund. The tip of the pliers don't align perfectly and have some wiggle.
To those doubting this tool because of me, don't! The design is good, I've just had acouple that are off a bit.
I'm going to give them another go when I can inspect them in store.
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How about a couple pictures of the alignment issue?
Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 07:26:29 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/09a9b8fe8c1646ea3b3c84c8e38b53f4.jpg)
Also, one of the little metal tabs that holds the extra bit device in place is broken. It snapped off after the first times I moved the bit around.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/0198b572e2af53574dcf297171a3edf4.jpg)
Fellas, I like the tool, but I'm not going to accept it if it's not damn near perfect, especially for $100.
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Post by: dks on November 04, 2016, 07:49:06 PM
Post by: Monrogue on November 04, 2016, 08:16:56 PM
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Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 08:20:33 PM
I'm thinking about ordering one later, but I'm a bit worried after two duds to the same person :think:No doubt I'll try another down the line, I just want to inspect in the store before the purchase.
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Post by: Monrogue on November 04, 2016, 08:24:33 PM
Unfortunately I don't have that option here. No stores local, with the closest being a couple hours away. They only carry a few basics, so my only choice is to take a chance and order oneI'm thinking about ordering one later, but I'm a bit worried after two duds to the same person :think:No doubt I'll try another down the line, I just want to inspect in the store before the purchase.
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Post by: bftx on November 04, 2016, 08:34:10 PM
I'd say give it a go, just make sure the retailer has a good return policy. If you get a good one, I think you'll be super happy.Unfortunately I don't have that option here. No stores local, with the closest being a couple hours away. They only carry a few basics, so my only choice is to take a chance and order oneI'm thinking about ordering one later, but I'm a bit worried after two duds to the same person :think:No doubt I'll try another down the line, I just want to inspect in the store before the purchase.
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 04, 2016, 08:43:53 PM
Thanks for the info, and I look forward to future feedback from others who take the plunge, and here what they have to say about the one's they've got :cheers:
Post by: Monrogue on November 04, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
Trust me, it doesn't take much to get me to pull the trigger on a multi, especially if it's new and has my curiosity piqued ;)I'd say give it a go, just make sure the retailer has a good return policy. If you get a good one, I think you'll be super happy.Unfortunately I don't have that option here. No stores local, with the closest being a couple hours away. They only carry a few basics, so my only choice is to take a chance and order oneI'm thinking about ordering one later, but I'm a bit worried after two duds to the same person :think:No doubt I'll try another down the line, I just want to inspect in the store before the purchase.
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Post by: kaput on November 04, 2016, 09:06:45 PM
Just hope its not in a blister pack then :oI'm thinking about ordering one later, but I'm a bit worried after two duds to the same person :think:No doubt I'll try another down the line, I just want to inspect in the store before the purchase.
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I don't really like the idea of any plastic pieces on my multi tools? Especially one geared towards hard use and heavy duty. :think:
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 05, 2016, 02:53:45 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/1c1a9dab606068eea3df605d64b8c0ba.jpg)Whoa, how thick is that thing? any chance we can get a thickness comparison to another multitool (preferably an MP600?)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/09a9b8fe8c1646ea3b3c84c8e38b53f4.jpg)
Also, one of the little metal tabs that holds the extra bit device in place is broken. It snapped off after the first times I moved the bit around.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/0198b572e2af53574dcf297171a3edf4.jpg)
Fellas, I like the tool, but I'm not going to accept it if it's not damn near perfect, especially for $100.
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 05, 2016, 03:29:11 AM
Sooner the suckers get through all the series 1 faults and issues, the sooner the "fixed" ones come to market.
I'll be ready to pick one of these up on Father's Day sales in, hmm, maybe 2022?
Post by: Monrogue on November 05, 2016, 03:33:02 AM
Post by: Demel on November 06, 2016, 04:15:35 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 06, 2016, 04:22:15 PM
I'm looking forward to getting one still. Also I just realised the center drive doesn't have a can opener
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Post by: Demel on November 06, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
I don't see anythingI'm looking forward to getting one still. Also I just realised the center drive doesn't have a can opener
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 06, 2016, 05:13:51 PM
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Post by: Demel on November 06, 2016, 07:09:42 PM
I am also still looking forward to it. It doesn't seem to be the same old thing rehashed yet again.Me too. For me its similar to when the Switchplier 2.0 released. I hadn't known about the original and it was different from everything else. So I'm hoping to save some funds to get the center drive to really see how it performs.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 07, 2016, 01:45:51 AM
This was posted in the Multitool.org group on FB.
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 07, 2016, 03:36:35 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 07, 2016, 03:40:14 AM
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Post by: dks on November 07, 2016, 07:04:23 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 07, 2016, 08:45:38 AM
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 07, 2016, 11:36:40 AM
Here is what I'm curious about. Is the pliers head compatible with the MP-600 family or the other one (Flik was it?).
Obviously I don't know first hand, since I haven't bought one, but it seems pretty unlikely. The opening/lock mechanism is only on the one side, unlike the older designs.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 07, 2016, 11:39:42 AM
Here is what I'm curious about. Is the pliers head compatible with the MP-600 family or the other one (Flik was it?).
Obviously I don't know first hand, since I haven't bought one, but it seems pretty unlikely. The opening/lock mechanism is only on the one side, unlike the older designs.
The only other tool I know that had the single sided mechanism was the Grappler - but modding that in (if it fits at all) would cost you all the internal tools
Post by: Etherealicer on November 07, 2016, 01:20:31 PM
I saw that, but it still could work, even though the sledge is different on one side.Here is what I'm curious about. Is the pliers head compatible with the MP-600 family or the other one (Flik was it?).
Obviously I don't know first hand, since I haven't bought one, but it seems pretty unlikely. The opening/lock mechanism is only on the one side, unlike the older designs.
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Didnt know that a first opinion could stir up so many people and get reposted on facebook :think:
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 04:49:50 PM
I just realized... I dont think you can flick these open, since there is only a slider on one side! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
Its possible to flick these open. You just have to adjust your grip a little bit.
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 04:59:44 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/1c1a9dab606068eea3df605d64b8c0ba.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/09a9b8fe8c1646ea3b3c84c8e38b53f4.jpg)
Also, one of the little metal tabs that holds the extra bit device in place is broken. It snapped off after the first times I moved the bit around.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161104/0198b572e2af53574dcf297171a3edf4.jpg)
Fellas, I like the tool, but I'm not going to accept it if it's not damn near perfect, especially for $100.
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The extra bit holder does seem like the flimsiest part of the whole tool. I just pinch the holder in place with one hand and remove the bit with the other to prevent any over-time warping.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 07, 2016, 05:12:47 PM
:cheers:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 07, 2016, 05:17:09 PM
[...]:worthless:
Can we have some pictures please?
I'm particularly interested in its thickness / size, so side-by-side comparison to the Wave would be awesome.
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
Does that mean I can get sent a free one for an honest review? :D
Yes it does :cheers: As long as you pay for it and get one day shipping then put the tool through your "average use" test and be the first to review it on amazon and get it reposted on the multitool.org FB group page :rofl:. But you didnt hear it from me :whistle:
Post by: Sea Monster on November 07, 2016, 05:30:22 PM
Hey there PJ :)
We're a salty bunch (I know I certainly am ::) )
I don't think anyone here takes personal offence at you ditching the LM (well, there might be one or two members :whistle:)
Though your review does come off a little on the enthusiastic side :-\
I think Etherealicer cut the heart of the matter though - The people want pictures - Some of us a little more trigger-shy when it comes to new toys on the market, so (If you can :) ) help us live vicariously through you and share your new joy, in all it's average joe glory :multi:
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 05:47:09 PM
[...]:worthless:
Can we have some pictures please?
I'm particularly interested in its thickness / size, so side-by-side comparison to the Wave would be awesome.
The thickness is almost the same and the center drive is heavier. The thickness of the center drive changes from bottom to top though with the top where the pivot is being thinner than the bottom. And about the pictures, there are no pictures coming from me anytime soon but Im willing to bet my Leatherman that some will soon post a video on youtube or pictures here somewhere delivering what you're asking. Sorry.
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
Hah,
Hey there PJ :)
We're a salty bunch (I know I certainly am ::) )
I don't think anyone here takes personal offence at you ditching the LM (well, there might be one or two members :whistle:)
Though your review does come off a little on the enthusiastic side :-\
I think Etherealicer cut the heart of the matter though - The people want pictures - Some of us a little more trigger-shy when it comes to new toys on the market, so (If you can :) ) help us live vicariously through you and share your new joy, in all it's average joe glory :multi:
I will try to post pictures as soon as I can. I wish I could give details on why I cant do it this instant minute. Today was my last day with my Leatherman Wave because I finally found a buyer at one of my jobs (she was excited :tu:) So im going to tell you right now, THERE WILL BE NO LM WAVE VS GCD COMPARISON PICS coming from me but I can assure later today I can deliver pics and compare it to my very first multitool. Thats the best I can do for you guys. Right now I can say that the GDC is heavier and almost just as thick as the LM Wave. So its not fit for pocket carry but for more sheath carry.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 07, 2016, 06:33:44 PM
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 06:47:31 PM
Picture comparisons against any known tool will be very helpful :cheers: I look forward so seeing them :salute:
Today I will post pics of just the multi tool next to your average Walmart starter tool. Tuesday I will be able to compare it to the MP600 blunty I use at work. Im sorry I cant do all this in a timely manner but only if you knew... only if you knew :facepalm: But thanks for your patience in the meantime.
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 07, 2016, 07:17:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-UY7DggDwI
Post by: Monrogue on November 07, 2016, 08:49:23 PM
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Post by: kaput on November 07, 2016, 09:05:52 PM
Pics will be cool. Unfortunately, if it's heavier than a Wave, I may have to pass. I don't sheath carry, and my MP600 is about as heavy as I prefer in my pocket. If this thing is more like 9oz+ then I'd just be wasting my cash, even if it was a good tool.Yes I have to agree with Mons. I have a super tool 300 that has gotten next to no use, albeit an amazing tool. Because it is so dang heavy at 9.6oz! It stays in one of my tool bags, where I typically will prefer to use a dedicated tool for the job instead... :think:
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Post by: Monrogue on November 07, 2016, 09:08:20 PM
Right. I could put it in one of our vehicles like I did with the LM OHT, but I don't want to spend around $100 at this point, just to do that.Pics will be cool. Unfortunately, if it's heavier than a Wave, I may have to pass. I don't sheath carry, and my MP600 is about as heavy as I prefer in my pocket. If this thing is more like 9oz+ then I'd just be wasting my cash, even if it was a good tool.Yes. I have a super tool 300 that has gotten next to no use, albeit an amazing tool. Because it is so dang heavy at 9.6oz! It stays in one of my tool bags, where I typically in turn use a dedicated tool for the job... :think:
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 07, 2016, 09:09:53 PM
Picture comparisons against any known tool will be very helpful :cheers: I look forward so seeing them :salute:
Today I will post pics of just the multi tool next to your average Walmart starter tool. Tuesday I will be able to compare it to the MP600 blunty I use at work. Im sorry I cant do all this in a timely manner but only if you knew... only if you knew :facepalm: But thanks for your patience in the meantime.
The Walmart tool won't mean much to me, but I look forward to the MP600 comparison :cheers: I appreciate there'll be a slight wait, life has a habit of getting in the way of valuable forum time :D Don't let that stop you doing the other comparison though, we'd appreciate whatever pics you can let us have :salute:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 07, 2016, 09:13:19 PM
It seems people get a little salty when I say the Center Drive replaced my Leatherman in less than a week.
Not getting salty at all.
I'm not even a LM enthousiast.
I just think it's dangerous to state that it will replace your LM forever.
What if the build quality is not top notch, and after 1 year of use there's bladeplay and wobbly pliers?
Not saying there will be, but you never know. You might end up with a LM within a few years after all, or the GCD took over it's place.
Time will tell.
And with time, I don't mean 24 hours :D
In the meantime, enjoy your new tool and keep us posted on your findings along the road. :tu:
Post by: sLaughterMed on November 07, 2016, 09:28:08 PM
For anyone still curious to see if they flick and dont believe me when I say they do flick... FAST FOWARD TO 1:16!!Now that you pointed it out, I realized i remembered watching this video... and specifically that part! How I managed to forget I'll never know...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-UY7DggDwI
JerseyDevil will be dissapointed that you cant spend hours flicking it open and closed though (much to the relief of his boss!)
Post by: RX7_Freak on November 08, 2016, 12:15:03 AM
I took a couple quick photos, including one next to my MP600 for reference.
Post by: Demel on November 08, 2016, 12:19:48 AM
So, I finally got my Gerber Center-Drive. So far I have only had a few real uses for it, but I can tell you this >>> The lockup on both the knife and driver are tight, no wobble! The bits sit perfectly in the driver thanks to the magnetic hold. And the one handed opening is probably smoother to open and easier to close than my MP600.Thanks for the pics. Hopefully I can get one this month. Can you also do a thickness comparison? Does the driver protrude at all from the rest of the tool? I guess I'm hoping Gerber tucked it in as far as possible.
I took a couple quick photos, including one next to my MP600 for reference.
Post by: kaput on November 08, 2016, 01:04:31 AM
Also, does the Phillips "center drive" but is it reversible with a flat, or is that what the other bit adapter holder is for?
Post by: RX7_Freak on November 08, 2016, 01:13:56 AM
Yes thanks for the pictures and review. Cool new toys 8)
Also, does the Phillips "center drive" but is it reversible with a flat, or is that what the other bit adapter holder is for?
There is an extra bit holder located between the knife and the driver on the inside handle, this is where the flat bit was located... see picture.
Post by: Monrogue on November 08, 2016, 03:23:41 AM
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Post by: bftx on November 08, 2016, 03:25:05 AM
https://youtu.be/kKr4hZRoa3U
Also, the tool is really growing on me. One negative after using it a bit, there are hot spots in the hand, especially on the side with the knife/driver when this portion is up against your fingers. Not a deal breaker. Only other negative, is the weight, I think it's 9.4 or 9.6 oz. But I expect a nice tool to be somewhat heavy.
Post by: Monrogue on November 08, 2016, 03:28:49 AM
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Post by: metasyntax on November 08, 2016, 03:36:04 AM
Post by: bftx on November 08, 2016, 05:01:49 AM
Yeah, I was afraid it was in the 9.5oz area. Bummer, but that's too heavy for my liking, unless a pocket clip could be added somehow.I'm the same way, at this point the only thing missing is a pocket clip and a saw. Give me those two things, and alittle more precision in the assembly department and it's a 10. At this point I'd give it a 8.7 out of 10.
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Give me a saw over a serrated blade any day. A sharp plain edge can do anything a serrated blade can do.
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Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 08, 2016, 06:25:46 AM
I will be uploading a set of photos here too in a little bit...
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 08, 2016, 06:28:55 AM
Post by: bftx on November 08, 2016, 06:31:16 AM
I have taken the pictures even though some already have gotten posted. I have the link to the shares in multitool.org FB group right here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1240728179321248&set=pcb.10154119731929016&type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1240728179321248&set=pcb.10154119731929016&type=3)Good pictures, you're going to make a lot of people happy with those.
I will be uploading a set of photos here too in a little bit...
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Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 08, 2016, 06:39:07 AM
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 08, 2016, 06:42:24 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on November 08, 2016, 11:54:43 AM
Folks here are quite unlikely to consider decent pictures of a new release tool to be spam :)
It's much appreciated mate - Much speculation will come of what you've shown us.
Post by: Monrogue on November 08, 2016, 03:42:21 PM
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Post by: LoopCutter on November 08, 2016, 07:00:20 PM
I was expecting it to be smaller since it was compared to the Wave. Instead it should be compared to the Surge and SuperTool 300.
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Post by: balvenie on November 08, 2016, 08:46:25 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 08, 2016, 08:51:01 PM
So it would be good a comparison with the surge; I think the CD will be the loser in terms of tools
Possibly, but it will win in terms of weight! The Surge is a beast!
Def
Post by: bftx on November 08, 2016, 09:45:11 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 08, 2016, 10:28:34 PM
Def
Post by: Padre on November 08, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
Post by: parnass on November 09, 2016, 03:06:46 AM
The center drive is 9.5oz ...
FWIW, the SOG Power Assist weighs 9.5 ounces and the Leatherman OHT weighs 9.6 ounces.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 03:13:07 AM
The center drive is 9.5oz ...
FWIW, the SOG Power Assist weighs 9.5 ounces and the Leatherman OHT weighs 9.6 ounces.
Good to see you still kicking around man!
Def
Post by: Monrogue on November 09, 2016, 03:42:50 AM
I have a OHT, and it's too heavy for pocket carry, so the CD would also be too heavy for me. Thanks for that comparison though. I had forgotten how much the OHT weighed.The center drive is 9.5oz ...
FWIW, the SOG Power Assist weighs 9.5 ounces and the Leatherman OHT weighs 9.6 ounces.
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Post by: Gareth on November 09, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 05:40:37 PM
Here are some comparison photos with the Surge and an MP600:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/albums/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111134.jpg?m=1478708590)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111205.jpg?m=1478708589)
And a couple with just the Center Drive an Surge:
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111409.jpg?m=1478708596)
Obviously no comparison in driver size. Ii also prefer the standard bits to the flattened bits, which I have always hated.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111256.jpg?m=1478708588)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111239.jpg?m=1478708587)
It's interesting that the Center Drive plier head is smaller than the Surge's, but manages to open slightly wider.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111339.jpg?m=1478708588)
And the blade is every bit as big as the Surge's blade.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111509.jpg?m=1478708595)
The prybar/bottle opener thing really fascinated me. I was amazed to see how thick it was until I flipped it over and realised it was cut out. It still feels plenty strong enough to do anything you may want it to do.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111455.jpg?m=1478708598)
The serrated blade and file are typical MP600 versions, and that is about all the typical Gerber components in the Center Drive.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111606.jpg?m=1478708601)
The awl isn't anything special, but is also solid enough to poke a hole in pretty much anything.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111631.jpg?m=1478708602)
It doesn't have a sharpened edge on it like some awls do, but I really wouldn't worry about damaging it when carving a tunnel out of a gulag.
I really like the on board bit carrier.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111532.jpg?m=1478708598)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111541.jpg?m=1478708605)
It functions as a handle stop when the Center Drive is closed and opens up to reveal a spare bit, in addition to the one that lives in the big driver on the outside. Oh yeah, and speaking of bits....
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111819.jpg?m=1478708608)
The Center Drive comes pretty well ready for anything, if you get the version with the bit set. Additionally, there is space in the sheath for the bits as well. And here are some general pics just for the fun of it.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111654.jpg?m=1478708604)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111727.jpg?m=1478708604)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161109_111742.jpg?m=1478708606)
Initial impressions of the Center Drive are good. The sheath isn't as good as the (good) MOLLE sheaths from Leatherman or SOG, but it is a far cry better than the cheapo MOLLE sheaths from Leatherman. It's not a MOLLE sheath, but it does allow for horizontal or vertical carry, and seems like it would hold the tool and bit set quite securely.
Def
Post by: dks on November 09, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 06:05:55 PM
that should be on mto minute, if you want to get some hits.
It will be by the end of the day. :D
Def
Post by: irona on November 09, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
I'm excited for it!that should be on mto minute, if you want to get some hits.
It will be by the end of the day. :D
Def
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Post by: jerseydevil on November 09, 2016, 06:25:47 PM
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 09, 2016, 06:29:45 PM
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 09, 2016, 06:30:18 PM
Thanks for the pics everyone! :tu: I like what I see. I sheath carry, so the weight is not an issue for me. Besides, in case you never noticed, I'm a bit of a Gerber fan. ;) I'll be getting one of these quite soon.
You won't regret it. I promise!
Post by: Etherealicer on November 09, 2016, 06:32:04 PM
those images give a much better impression of the tool. How comfortable is the tool to use?
Post by: jerseydevil on November 09, 2016, 06:34:20 PM
Thanks for the pics everyone! :tu: I like what I see. I sheath carry, so the weight is not an issue for me. Besides, in case you never noticed, I'm a bit of a Gerber fan. ;) I'll be getting one of these quite soon.
You won't regret it. I promise!
I'm a big fan of the MP600, and have used mine quite hard. I guess I'll have to be careful with the driver though when using this tool as a hammer..... ;)
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 09, 2016, 06:38:52 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 06:46:10 PM
Thanks Grant,
those images give a much better impression of the tool. How comfortable is the tool to use?
I'll let you know after I use it a bit. It doesn't feel bad in the hand though. With all of the bumps and things on it (cutouts, lanyard loop on the lock tab etc) I was expecting to feel bits of it poking me slightly, but so far nothing like that.
That having been said, I also have not really used it for anything just yet, and I hate saying things until I have.
Def
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 09, 2016, 06:46:38 PM
Thanks Grant,
those images give a much better impression of the tool. How comfortable is the tool to use?
I know you were asking someone else but I still have a input on the subject though. With gloves on there's no problem at all, not even when you're squeezing the tool through cutting a copper wire. But bare handed, Its still not bad but just like with any tool, more torque, more force, more discomfort. Especially when its cold.
Post by: Padre on November 09, 2016, 06:52:21 PM
Post by: Monrogue on November 09, 2016, 07:26:45 PM
The darn thing is still tempting, but I know I wouldn't carry it. It would be a good junk drawer tool though, as I have a few MTs placed strategically around the house. The driver with bit set would be handy around the house. Maybe someday I'll succumb to my curiosity and get one.
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Post by: parnass on November 09, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
I would like to talk about the carbide cutters and peoples frequent complaints..... Does anyone here have problems with Gerber's carbide cutters?
The chief complaint about carbide cutters is that squeezing the plier handles requires more force when cutting than normal cutters without the inserts. See: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,62630.msg1183543.html#msg1183543
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 08:15:06 PM
Thanks Grant,
those images give a much better impression of the tool. How comfortable is the tool to use?
I know you were asking someone else but I still have a input on the subject though. With gloves on there's no problem at all, not even when you're squeezing the tool through cutting a copper wire. But bare handed, Its still not bad but just like with any tool, more torque, more force, more discomfort. Especially when its cold.
Different opinions and input are always welcome! :D
Thanks for the pics and comparison Grant :salute:
The darn thing is still tempting, but I know I wouldn't carry it. It would be a good junk drawer tool though, as I have a few MTs placed strategically around the house. The driver with bit set would be handy around the house. Maybe someday I'll succumb to my curiosity and get one.
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I'll let you know after some use but I am finding it very nice to handle so far.
I am carrying the Center Drive on my belt and I am finding it is very comfortable to draw like this. The small lip on the end of the locking tab really makes it easy to pull out.
Def
Post by: PhlowJaxx on November 09, 2016, 08:18:13 PM
So ergos are good? Doesnt look like that... can one of you at least squeeze the tool hard with every tool open? Its hard to believe that this thing would not have hot spots all over it.
I did what you requested and I'm going to be honest with you. I held it the way you requested right side up and upside down. It took a while before it started to grow uncomfortable in my hand but I now know the hotspots you're curious about. The area that surrounds the knife and the thin sheet of metal that stops the center drive are hotspots. And the bottom of the unlocking slider mech gets uncomfortable to. BUT!! It only got uncomfortable because I forced it. With regular use its comfortable in my hand and I never use the GCD with every tool open.
Post by: WoodsDuck on November 09, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
So ergos are good? Doesnt look like that... can one of you at least squeeze the tool hard with every tool open? Its hard to believe that this thing would not have hot spots all over it.
I did what you requested and I'm going to be honest with you. I held it the way you requested right side up and upside down. It took a while before it started to grow uncomfortable in my hand but I now know the hotspots you're curious about. The area that surrounds the knife and the thin sheet of metal that stops the center drive are hotspots. And the bottom of the unlocking slider mech gets uncomfortable to. BUT!! It only got uncomfortable because I forced it. With regular use its comfortable in my hand and I never use the GCD with every tool open.
I think he meant one tool at a time.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 09, 2016, 08:29:01 PM
I'm still going to reserve judgement on that plier head though, and the prytool looks investment cast too. :-\ Hopefully someone will be giving this tool a thorough long term exposure to some proper hard labour, and will be able to report back on it in a few months. :salute:
Post by: Padre on November 09, 2016, 08:59:01 PM
So ergos are good? Doesnt look like that... can one of you at least squeeze the tool hard with every tool open? Its hard to believe that this thing would not have hot spots all over it.
I did what you requested and I'm going to be honest with you. I held it the way you requested right side up and upside down. It took a while before it started to grow uncomfortable in my hand but I now know the hotspots you're curious about. The area that surrounds the knife and the thin sheet of metal that stops the center drive are hotspots. And the bottom of the unlocking slider mech gets uncomfortable to. BUT!! It only got uncomfortable because I forced it. With regular use its comfortable in my hand and I never use the GCD with every tool open.
Thanks for this sir!
Seems that it still has less problems than some new SOGs around.
:salute:
Post by: bftx on November 09, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
The tool I received today had the worst edge/grind of any knife I've ever seen brand new, and one of the carbide cutter screws were stripped out. I've emailed Gerber Customer Service to let them know.
Like I said guys, it's great, just some teething issues with the ones I've received.
Also, I've noticed the Center Drive's I've had, and the one Grant posted does not have the Gerber logo stamped on the plier head like PhlowJax's.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161109/68152a265667e974ecb3298fd2f3d697.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161109/12c7d7d5c894b4b3c26e574af6db4057.jpg)
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Post by: babola on November 09, 2016, 09:15:46 PM
Note, I REALLY like the tool and design, but I have received another flawed Center Drive. For those that have one with no issues, I'm super happy for you.
The tool I received today had the worst edge/grind of any knife I've ever seen brand new, and one of the carbide cutter screws were stripped out. I've emailed Gerber Customer Service to let them know.
Like I said guys, it's great, just some teething issues with the ones I've received.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161109/68152a265667e974ecb3298fd2f3d697.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161109/12c7d7d5c894b4b3c26e574af6db4057.jpg)
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You really need to change your 'supplier', three unlucky strikes on the same tool all within almost a single week is mind-numbing.
It's surprising that carbide cutter screw past the QC, what a mess that one is. :-(
Post by: bftx on November 09, 2016, 09:16:57 PM
Two from MidwayUSA and 1 from Gander Mountain. Two from MidwayUSA came in a box, while the one from Gander came in a blister pack.Note, I REALLY like the tool and design, but I have received another flawed Center Drive. For those that have one with no issues, I'm super happy for you.
The tool I received today had the worst edge/grind of any knife I've ever seen brand new, and one of the carbide cutter screws were stripped out. I've emailed Gerber Customer Service to let them know.
Like I said guys, it's great, just some teething issues with the ones I've received.
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You really need to change your 'supplier', three unlucky strikes on the same tool all within almost a single week is mind-numbing.
It's surprising that carbide cutter screw past the QC, what a mess that one is. :-(
Grant, where did you receive your Center Drive from?
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Post by: Aloha on November 09, 2016, 09:20:00 PM
Post by: TazzieRob on November 09, 2016, 09:21:45 PM
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It's interesting that the Center Drive plier head is smaller than the Surge's, but manages to open slightly wider.
The pivot points aren't lined up in your first picture, another overlap of the handles makes the head look a lot smaller than it is
Post by: babola on November 09, 2016, 09:22:37 PM
...the prytool looks investment cast too. :-\
Those first early photos showed the pry bar from the top and my first thought was - finally someone came up with a sturdy, thick, mean-looking pry-bar as a multi-tool implement.
But once I received mine and looked underneath the prybar I started having different ideas, it's a hollowed-out double space filler, potentially replaceable with other two tools of standard thickness...a MT modder's dream situation to be in ;)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 09, 2016, 09:43:54 PM
...the prytool looks investment cast too. :-\
Those first early photos showed the pry bar from the top and my first thought was - finally someone came up with a sturdy, thick, mean-looking pry-bar as a multi-tool implement.
But once I received mine and looked underneath the prybar I started having different ideas, it's a hollowed-out double space filler, potentially replaceable with other two tools of standard thickness...a MT modder's dream situation to be in ;)
:D
Well unless the plier head can be easily swapped out too, you can count me out. I just dug out my old MP700 earlier, and the plier head on that I utterly shagged out.... and FAR too quickly. The problem is the spring return pliers, which reduce the internal contact area on the pivot, increasing pivot wear and shortening the full working life ..... and which has been done again here on the Centre Drive. My Strata developed a bit of play quite quickly in that area too, and while it has been used, it hasn't been used enough to justify that much play.
While it was great to see Gerber having another shot at the title, I think that on reflection, I'm going to pass on this one :salute: They got the 400 and 600 line right (the Diesel gets full marks from me too), so I'll be sticking with my modded versions of those as I think they will stand up to hard use a lot better than the Centre Drive, even if the drivers are shorter (I have the bit adaptors for them anyway)
Post by: Etherealicer on November 09, 2016, 10:26:30 PM
Does anyone here have problems with Gerber's carbide cutters?I had problems cutting the brakes cable on my bike (but so did the Rebar).
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 09, 2016, 11:11:21 PM
Two from MidwayUSA and 1 from Gander Mountain. Two from MidwayUSA came in a box, while the one from Gander came in a blister pack.Note, I REALLY like the tool and design, but I have received another flawed Center Drive. For those that have one with no issues, I'm super happy for you.
The tool I received today had the worst edge/grind of any knife I've ever seen brand new, and one of the carbide cutter screws were stripped out. I've emailed Gerber Customer Service to let them know.
Like I said guys, it's great, just some teething issues with the ones I've received.
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You really need to change your 'supplier', three unlucky strikes on the same tool all within almost a single week is mind-numbing.
It's surprising that carbide cutter screw past the QC, what a mess that one is. :-(
Grant, where did you receive your Center Drive from?
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My Center-Drive came straight from Gerber. No middle man required.
That is interesting about the stamp- I hadn't noticed that myself until you mentioned it.
Def
Post by: Tsquare on November 10, 2016, 03:35:36 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on November 10, 2016, 04:42:17 AM
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Those first early photos showed the pry bar from the top and my first thought was - finally someone came up with a sturdy, thick, mean-looking pry-bar as a multi-tool implement.[...]it's a hollowed-out double space filler,
Well, yes and no.
By having it webbed they've potentially maintained most of the strength, but saved a little weight, and perhaps some raw material cost. It gives a bigger leverage angle, and having the tip of the tool narrower is probably more useful.
If it was a single sheet, it would snap the same as every misused slot head driver on multis for generations :P
As for the manufacturing process - Some hard use will surely less us know (Failing that, someone send me one, and I'll put it in the torquemeter and let you know when it breaks :D)
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My Center-Drive came straight from Gerber. No middle man required.
Ah, big man with a Forum gets the pick of the crop for review aye? I see what's going on here ;) :D
Post by: Padre on November 10, 2016, 08:42:26 AM
Post by: firiki on November 10, 2016, 09:40:44 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 10, 2016, 12:52:15 PM
QuoteThose first early photos showed the pry bar from the top and my first thought was - finally someone came up with a sturdy, thick, mean-looking pry-bar as a multi-tool implement.[...]it's a hollowed-out double space filler,
Well, yes and no.
By having it webbed they've potentially maintained most of the strength, but saved a little weight, and perhaps some raw material cost. It gives a bigger leverage angle, and having the tip of the tool narrower is probably more useful.
If it was a single sheet, it would snap the same as every misused slot head driver on multis for generations :P
As for the manufacturing process - Some hard use will surely less us know (Failing that, someone send me one, and I'll put it in the torquemeter and let you know when it breaks :D)QuoteMy Center-Drive came straight from Gerber. No middle man required.
Ah, big man with a Forum gets the pick of the crop for review aye? I see what's going on here ;) :D
My thoughts exactly on the pry bar. Gerber has some pry tool experience with the Shard and Artefact so I don't think they would do something as bold as putting something like this pry bar on a tool (which is another first BTW) without doing it properly.
I also want to say that I haven't got any of the "gritty feeling" that was referred to above. The Center Drive may not be as buttery smooth as a high end tactical folder, but it is every bit as smooth as my Wave, Charge, Surge, Octane, PowerDuo etc. It doesn't feel any different than any other multitool.
Maybe I did get a special one as it came from Gerber, but I don't think that's the case. I'm not worth someone going to the effort of picking a special one out of the line. It is possible that Amazon got a series of earlier tools, and I got one fresh off the line now that the assemblers have hit their stride.
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Post by: Grathr on November 10, 2016, 03:42:01 PM
What worries me is that I got no forewarning that a new shipment was coming in, and they are still not in stock. I hope I dont get one that someone else sendt back :-\
Post by: bftx on November 10, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
Amazon just shipped mine.When did you place your order?
What worries me is that I got no forewarning that a new shipment was coming in, and they are still not in stock. I hope I dont get one that someone else sendt back :-\
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 10, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
https://youtu.be/3pWjoPinSCA
:D
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Post by: Etherealicer on November 10, 2016, 05:02:57 PM
Center Drive on Multitool Minute::ahhh Thanks
https://youtu.be/3pWjoPinSCA
:D
Def
One question: is the extra bit, standard size? It looks smaller.
Post by: parnass on November 10, 2016, 05:17:41 PM
Center Drive on Multitool Minute:
Def
Good show. I've enjoyed watching your tool vids on Youtube.
Post by: Grathr on November 10, 2016, 06:00:06 PM
Amazon just shipped mine.When did you place your order?
What worries me is that I got no forewarning that a new shipment was coming in, and they are still not in stock. I hope I dont get one that someone else sendt back :-\
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On November first, a few hours after they ran out of stock.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2016, 01:13:06 AM
Center Drive on Multitool Minute::ahhh Thanks
https://youtu.be/3pWjoPinSCA
:D
Def
One question: is the extra bit, standard size? It looks smaller.
It is a standard bit. I'm going to see if I can find a couple of short double ended bits and possibly ditch the bit set which I am finding a bit bulky in the sheath.
Def
Post by: mikekoz on November 11, 2016, 05:07:08 AM
Post by: bftx on November 11, 2016, 05:08:36 AM
I do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!I've heard 420HC.
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 11, 2016, 05:10:50 AM
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I do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
According the the big maple syrup drinking guy, it's 440....
Post by: Etherealicer on November 11, 2016, 07:50:49 AM
Does anyone know what tool to use to tighten the driver/blade 4 pronged screws? I was going to see if tightening these would fix blade/driver wobble.loki-mobile (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,61708.0.html) sells keys to take the Gerbers (and others) apart
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Post by: irona on November 11, 2016, 07:52:28 AM
Center Drive on Multitool Minute:Thanks a bunch! It's a lot bigger than I imagined.
https://youtu.be/3pWjoPinSCA
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Post by: Padre on November 11, 2016, 08:36:51 AM
Quote from: irona
Must... resist..naah... she would not say it I guess. :)
Thanks a bunch! It's a lot bigger than I imagined.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
I do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
Grant - Is the video quality a factor of your equipment, or do you have to ditch the fidelity to get it onto youtube?QuoteI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
According the the big maple syrup drinking guy, it's 440....
What is wrong with the video quality? It is filmed in HD?
I don't have a fancy 4k camera if that's what you mean, although I could do it in 3D if you prefer?
Def
Post by: Demel on November 11, 2016, 07:20:33 PM
If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 11, 2016, 07:37:57 PM
If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me.... :P
Def
Post by: Demel on November 12, 2016, 12:42:49 AM
No :twak: :twak:If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me....
Def
Charge TTi comes with s30v. The charge AL and ALX come with 154cm. Not the standard 440hc.
Post by: Demel on November 12, 2016, 12:44:16 AM
It's ok boss. I've had a ton of :facepalm: moments this week. :tu:No :twak: :twak:If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me....
Def
Charge TTi comes with s30v. The charge AL and ALX come with 154cm. Not the standard 440hc.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 01:01:19 AM
No :twak: :twak:If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me....
Def
Charge TTi comes with s30v. The charge AL and ALX come with 154cm. Not the standard 440hc.
I may have gotten my stats wrong, but my point was that you can't get a premium steel multitool without going over $100.
Def
Post by: Mechanickal on November 12, 2016, 01:06:44 AM
Unless you buy "used"...No :twak: :twak:If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me....
Def
Charge TTi comes with s30v. The charge AL and ALX come with 154cm. Not the standard 440hc.
I may have gotten my stats wrong, but my point was that you can't get a premium steel multitool without going over $100.
Def
Sorry, couldn't resist...
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 12, 2016, 02:55:08 AM
Post by: metasyntax on November 12, 2016, 03:15:25 AM
:whistle:
I know what you mean though. :cheers:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 03:18:09 AM
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 12, 2016, 03:31:02 AM
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What is wrong with the video quality? It is filmed in HD?
I don't have a fancy 4k camera if that's what you mean, although I could do it in 3D if you prefer?
Def
Is it?
Huh.
Looks a bit rubbish when I watch it on youtube. Maybe it's me? I'm probably on the lowest settings....
Post by: metasyntax on November 12, 2016, 03:36:53 AM
Ok, be like that. But the Skeleto is a very limited function multitool while the Center Drive is a bit more well rounded.Haha, sorry. ;)
You're definitely right. And I'd much rather have a more general purpose tool like the Center Drive than a lightweight tool in premium steel, all other things being equal. I'm just not one for fancy steels. 440C is good enough for me.
By the way, the Multitool Minute for the Center Drive was great, seeing it in action makes it a lot more tempting. In a few months, after the holidays, it's going to be hard to say no.
Is the thumb ramp part of the lock on that handle? If so, does it move when you bear down on it?
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 03:39:57 AM
I know, weird observation but it's true.
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Post by: WoodsDuck on November 12, 2016, 03:43:17 AM
It is the lock release and it actually makes it very comfortable to draw. Once you open the sheath your thumb hits that ramp and it just glides out of the sheath and naturally goes right into your hand. It really does feel good and natural just pulling it out.
I know, weird observation but it's true.
Def
. . . I'm not gonna.
;)
Post by: dks on November 12, 2016, 04:17:21 AM
Post by: Demel on November 12, 2016, 04:59:44 AM
Definitely agreed. I've been :twak: for capitalizing the Z in zoidberg name so I was assuming literal accuracy was the new MTO way :facepalm: either way, you have to pay a bit for good steel.No :twak: :twak:If I'm not mistaken the charge AL and ALX come with 154cm with a price tag of $120+ the charge TTi has the s30v with a price tag of $170+ either way your paying a hefty tagI do not see this information on Gerber's web page, but does anybody know what type of steel the blades are made of? For $100.00, I hope it is 154 or S30v!
You don't get that with Leatherman. The Charge AL and ALX are the standard 440. To get 154cm you need to go to the TTI with an msrp of around $150.
Def
So you are correcting me by agreeing with me....
Def
Charge TTi comes with s30v. The charge AL and ALX come with 154cm. Not the standard 440hc.
I may have gotten my stats wrong, but my point was that you can't get a premium steel multitool without going over $100.
Def
Which brings me to my next point. I've become accustomed to carrying a folder with good steel. Thus I'd rather have a 440 type of steel on my multi tool. I don't want two difficult blades to sharpen on a regular basis. The center drive is on my list. Just waiting for funds to be released
:rofl:It is the lock release and it actually makes it very comfortable to draw. Once you open the sheath your thumb hits that ramp and it just glides out of the sheath and naturally goes right into your hand. It really does feel good and natural just pulling it out.
I know, weird observation but it's true.
Def
. . . I'm not gonna.
;)
Putting it in may feel even better.....:rofl: :rofl:
Post by: bftx on November 12, 2016, 06:26:11 PM
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 12, 2016, 07:04:11 PM
I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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I have used pliers before I got my wrench. My wrench is actually just part of a handle from a MP600
Post by: bftx on November 12, 2016, 07:08:33 PM
I think Gerber is going to get sick of users sending the Center Drive back to have their pivots tightened. Any liner lock that is put under hard use is going to start to have a bit of wobble.I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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I have used pliers before I got my wrench. My wrench is actually just part of a handle from a MP600
I heard a camera lenses wrench works, may give it a go.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 08:11:04 PM
I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Gerber designers and reps do crawl this forum. I know that first hand.
However, they prefer not to interact so that they can get more honest feedback on their products.
As for why they don't have a user accessible pivot, that is likely to minimise warranty returns (I took my tool apart and now I can't put it back together again) and/or liability (I loosened the pivot and the blade fell out and stabbed my cat and now I am suing you for tens of thousands in vet bills), just like any other manufacturer (oh, you aren't getting good mileage, here, let's hook it up to a scan tool and see) does.
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Post by: bftx on November 12, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Grant, I realize that. But I can't think of another liner lock blade/tool that doesn't have user accessble adjustment. Just a wish of mine, and I think quite a few others. Like I said, use any liner lock hard and you will start seeing some wobble.I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Gerber designers and reps do crawl this forum. I know that first hand.
However, they prefer not to interact so that they can get more honest feedback on their products.
As for why they don't have a user accessible pivot, that is likely to minimise warranty returns (I took my tool apart and now I can't put it back together again) and/or liability (I loosened the pivot and the blade fell out and stabbed my cat and now I am suing you for tens of thousands in vet bills), just like any other manufacturer (oh, you aren't getting good mileage, here, let's hook it up to a scan tool and see) does.
Def
I see a fantastic tool, I truly do, but I'm a perfectionist, and see bits and pieces to improve on. Double up inspection process before sending the tool out, train sharpeners better, and trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want. This is how Gerber will eat into Leatherman's market share.
I'm pulling for Gerber, I love the design of this tool. It's not perfect (hot spot on fingers that is found when the blade/drive side is oriented towards the fingers rather than the palm), but I haven't been this intrigued by a multi tool in well, forever.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 08:37:49 PM
1- Sprung pliers. I really dislike sprung pliers. It is largely the domain of the cheapo tool, and maybe that has ruined me for them, but most of my tools are unsprung and I hate trying to get used to a sprung set. Again, this may be a personal gripe, some of you may like the sprung pliers, and that's fine. I don't.
2- No scissors. I like to have scissors on a tool. I realise that I can't have everything in one tool (unless that's the Spirit :P) but scissors are generally a "must have" for me. Yeah, many cutting duties can be done by the blade, but there are some things that are better to cut with scissors than a knife. Again a personal preference, but I have marked that as points lost for other tools, I don't see any reason not to mark it against this one too.
3- Bit set. I usually like a bit set, and it's nice to have that many bits available, but they ride on the outside of the tool in the sheath, which makes the sheath stick out pretty far from your side. Of course that means it catches on things and is that much more uncomfortable when you get in the car. I have found myself shopping for a straight up MOLLE sheath so I can leave the bit set at home.
4- The sheath itself is not bad, but it's not great. It's not a MOLLE sheath, although I wish it was. It beats the China made LM MOLLE sheath all to hell, but falls just short of the good LM MOLLE sheath. The top could also come down another inch or so over the tool, with more velcro. It doesn't seem like it will come loose, but it is bout the bare minimum I would feel comfortable with, especially since the sheath allows for horizontal carry.
5- On board bit carrier. Surely a design could have been managed to allow for a double ended bit, and another double ended bit in the driver itself. That would give you four different screwdrivers on board and you would have even less need of carrying the bit set as well. Hell, the Skeletool at half the size of the Center Drive has two double ended bits on board, although admittedly they are those silly flat LM bits that I hate. I'd even be happy if the bit stuck out a bit from the bottom.
That all having been said, I am still quite a big fan of the Center-Drive, and I don't believe it was over hyped. I think it is a very good, straight up tool that does what it was claimed. I thought that I had read somewhere that the blade and screwdriver were assisted opening, but they aren't. I'll admit to having been a bit disappointed by that, but really, it's not necessary and it was only because I was misinformed and expecting it. If the idea hadn't been in my head then I would never have missed it.
It has certainly earned a spot in my top ten favourite tools.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
Grant, I realize that. But I can't think of another liner lock blade/tool that doesn't have user accessble adjustment. Just a wish of mine, and I think quite a few others. Like I said, use any liner lock hard and you will start seeing some wobble.I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Gerber designers and reps do crawl this forum. I know that first hand.
However, they prefer not to interact so that they can get more honest feedback on their products.
As for why they don't have a user accessible pivot, that is likely to minimise warranty returns (I took my tool apart and now I can't put it back together again) and/or liability (I loosened the pivot and the blade fell out and stabbed my cat and now I am suing you for tens of thousands in vet bills), just like any other manufacturer (oh, you aren't getting good mileage, here, let's hook it up to a scan tool and see) does.
Def
I see a fantastic tool, I truly do, but I'm a perfectionist, and see bits and pieces to improve on. Double up inspection process before sending the tool out, train sharpeners better, and trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want. This is how Gerber will eat into Leatherman's market share.
I'm pulling for Gerber, I love the design of this tool. It's not perfect (hot spot on fingers that is found when the blade/drive side is oriented towards the fingers rather than the palm), but I haven't been this intrigued by a multi tool in well, forever.
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I'm not sure I agree on that one- Leatherman uses security bits so that you can't tamper with them. Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, CRKT, Cold Steel and every other brand have used rivets that don't allow you to adjust them. Some that are adjustable require a special tool that is only available from them.
Gerber uses proprietary screws so you don't tamper with their blades. Leatherman uses security bits. The fact that (these days) security bits are easy to get (they weren't ten years ago) doesn't mean Leatherman wants you to tamper with the adjustments of their tools any more than Gerber does. It just means that Leatherman is less successful at keeping you out.
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Post by: bftx on November 12, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
We'll agree to disagree on that one. I'm going to get a camera lenses wrench to adjust the Center Drive. Will report with my findings.Grant, I realize that. But I can't think of another liner lock blade/tool that doesn't have user accessble adjustment. Just a wish of mine, and I think quite a few others. Like I said, use any liner lock hard and you will start seeing some wobble.I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Gerber designers and reps do crawl this forum. I know that first hand.
However, they prefer not to interact so that they can get more honest feedback on their products.
As for why they don't have a user accessible pivot, that is likely to minimise warranty returns (I took my tool apart and now I can't put it back together again) and/or liability (I loosened the pivot and the blade fell out and stabbed my cat and now I am suing you for tens of thousands in vet bills), just like any other manufacturer (oh, you aren't getting good mileage, here, let's hook it up to a scan tool and see) does.
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I see a fantastic tool, I truly do, but I'm a perfectionist, and see bits and pieces to improve on. Double up inspection process before sending the tool out, train sharpeners better, and trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want. This is how Gerber will eat into Leatherman's market share.
I'm pulling for Gerber, I love the design of this tool. It's not perfect (hot spot on fingers that is found when the blade/drive side is oriented towards the fingers rather than the palm), but I haven't been this intrigued by a multi tool in well, forever.
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I'm not sure I agree on that one- Leatherman uses security bits so that you can't tamper with them. Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, CRKT, Cold Steel and every other brand have used rivets that don't allow you to adjust them. Some that are adjustable require a special tool that is only available from them.
Gerber uses proprietary screws so you don't tamper with their blades. Leatherman uses security bits. The fact that (these days) security bits are easy to get (they weren't ten years ago) doesn't mean Leatherman wants you to tamper with the adjustments of their tools any more than Gerber does. It just means that Leatherman is less successful at keeping you out.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 12, 2016, 08:51:52 PM
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Post by: Sea Monster on November 13, 2016, 03:54:46 AM
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and trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want.
Trust a good marketing campaign and a pre-christmas release :)
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2- No scissors. I like to have scissors on a tool
You knew it didn't have scissors when you bought it, you can't complain now.
That's a bit like buying a ute and saying "I really like front wheel drive"
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it's nice to have that many bits available, but they ride on the outside of the tool in the sheath, which makes the sheath stick out pretty far from your side.
Sort of combining with your next one on the sheath - This can make or break a great tool. It is, realisitically, going to spend more time being carried than used - If you've got a 3 inch tumour hanging off the side of your belt, catching on every damn thing, scratching up every car you walk past, and meaning you've got to take a wide turning circle around corners - Well it's a pain in the arse.
I don't believe I've seen a picture of the sheath (whether on a bench, or worn) - But it wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer has seen the sheath as an "unpleasant necessity" to ship with the tool, and not a way to enhance the whole user experience and interaction.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 15, 2016, 06:20:52 PM
Quoteand trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want.
Trust a good marketing campaign and a pre-christmas release :)Quote2- No scissors. I like to have scissors on a tool
You knew it didn't have scissors when you bought it, you can't complain now.
That's a bit like buying a ute and saying "I really like front wheel drive"Quoteit's nice to have that many bits available, but they ride on the outside of the tool in the sheath, which makes the sheath stick out pretty far from your side.
Sort of combining with your next one on the sheath - This can make or break a great tool. It is, realisitically, going to spend more time being carried than used - If you've got a 3 inch tumour hanging off the side of your belt, catching on every damn thing, scratching up every car you walk past, and meaning you've got to take a wide turning circle around corners - Well it's a pain in the arse.
I don't believe I've seen a picture of the sheath (whether on a bench, or worn) - But it wouldn't be the first time a manufacturer has seen the sheath as an "unpleasant necessity" to ship with the tool, and not a way to enhance the whole user experience and interaction.
Well, ask and ye shall receive.... eventually....
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120418_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229825)
This is the sheath compared to the crappy China made LM MOLLE sheath. It is significantly better than the LM sheath.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120355_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229825)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120403_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229825)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120410_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229825)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120431_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229825)
And here it is showing how much extra space the bit set takes up. If I was buying another, I would grab one without the bit set, especially since it carries a second bit on board.
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120450_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229827)
(http://gallery.multitool.org/var/resizes/Gerber/Gerber-Center-Drive/20161115_120501_resized_by_AVG_Image_Shrinker.jpg?m=1479229827)
I don't like the floppy loops- I wish it had horizontal straps like the Maxpedition knife/tool pouch which is overlapping velcro, allowing it to be quickly and easily attacked pretty well anywhere.
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Post by: Etherealicer on November 17, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
loki mobil sells keys for Gerber tools. Pretty sure i already posted the link here. Sadly, i' m on my mobile phone, so i can't do it again. But you can find it in the sales section.We'll agree to disagree on that one. I'm going to get a camera lenses wrench to adjust the Center Drive. Will report with my findings.Grant, I realize that. But I can't think of another liner lock blade/tool that doesn't have user accessble adjustment. Just a wish of mine, and I think quite a few others. Like I said, use any liner lock hard and you will start seeing some wobble.I wish there was a Gerber rep here. My question would be, why not allow end users to tighten the pivot on the blade and driver? Anything with a liner lock will need adjustment over time, whether having the need to adjust wiggle, lockup, or blade centering.
Does anyone know of anything that can be used to the tighten the Gerber 4 prong bolts used on the Center Drive that isn't a $20 wrench made in Russia? I really don't want to spent $30 including shipping for a wrench that will be only used on a Center Drive/MP600.
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Gerber designers and reps do crawl this forum. I know that first hand.
However, they prefer not to interact so that they can get more honest feedback on their products.
As for why they don't have a user accessible pivot, that is likely to minimise warranty returns (I took my tool apart and now I can't put it back together again) and/or liability (I loosened the pivot and the blade fell out and stabbed my cat and now I am suing you for tens of thousands in vet bills), just like any other manufacturer (oh, you aren't getting good mileage, here, let's hook it up to a scan tool and see) does.
Def
I see a fantastic tool, I truly do, but I'm a perfectionist, and see bits and pieces to improve on. Double up inspection process before sending the tool out, train sharpeners better, and trust your user base that just spent $100 on a want. This is how Gerber will eat into Leatherman's market share.
I'm pulling for Gerber, I love the design of this tool. It's not perfect (hot spot on fingers that is found when the blade/drive side is oriented towards the fingers rather than the palm), but I haven't been this intrigued by a multi tool in well, forever.
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
I'm not sure I agree on that one- Leatherman uses security bits so that you can't tamper with them. Spyderco, Benchmade, Kershaw, CRKT, Cold Steel and every other brand have used rivets that don't allow you to adjust them. Some that are adjustable require a special tool that is only available from them.
Gerber uses proprietary screws so you don't tamper with their blades. Leatherman uses security bits. The fact that (these days) security bits are easy to get (they weren't ten years ago) doesn't mean Leatherman wants you to tamper with the adjustments of their tools any more than Gerber does. It just means that Leatherman is less successful at keeping you out.
Def
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Post by: parnass on November 18, 2016, 03:15:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-hn_Taj9fs
Post by: kaput on November 18, 2016, 06:21:56 AM
Someone posted an unboxing and first impressions video of the Center Drive. This specimen had some quality control issues.Wait. So when you want to use an inside handle tool you have to slide the plier head open, spread the handles, unfold the tool, close the handle and then slide the plier head back inside and THEN use your inner tool... I wasn't really aware that's how these worked? :think:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 18, 2016, 01:37:13 PM
Oh, the box was beat up? You mean the box that arrived in a bubble wrap envelope after having been handled by the post office? :ahhh
Oh, the sheath was folded a bit? Oh noes, that indicates that at some point someone put it in a box without paying close attention to how it went in and kissing each one good bye before a massive launch of a new product.... :ahhh
I just couldn't see me wasting another seven minutes on whiny smurf like that.
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Post by: metasyntax on November 18, 2016, 04:59:42 PM
Yup. On the MP600, you don't necessarily have to slide the plier head back in, but doing so gets it out of the way and keeps the tool from falling open. With the sprung pliers on this model, I can imagine there's even more reason to slide it back, although that action should be easier because there's only one button to push (on the MP600 head, you have to push the buttons on both sides). Also, you've got the two main tools on the outside. I love my blunt nose MP600 with the old style blade, it's solid and has that vintage cool, but practically speaking the OHT is easier to use for this reason.Someone posted an unboxing and first impressions video of the Center Drive. This specimen had some quality control issues.Wait. So when you want to use an inside handle tool you have to slide the plier head open, spread the handles, unfold the tool, close the handle and then slide the plier head back inside and THEN use your inner tool... I wasn't really aware that's how these worked? :think:
Post by: metasyntax on November 18, 2016, 05:36:02 PM
I made it a minute and a half into that video before I decided it was a complete waste of time posted by someone who seems more interested in nit picking than anything else.
Oh, the box was beat up? You mean the box that arrived in a bubble wrap envelope after having been handled by the post office? :ahhh
Oh, the sheath was folded a bit? Oh noes, that indicates that at some point someone put it in a box without paying close attention to how it went in and kissing each one good bye before a massive launch of a new product.... :ahhh
I just couldn't see me wasting another seven minutes on whiny smurf like that.
It's kind of like how people always point out whether a knife is "shaving sharp" right out of the box. I can sharpen a knife when it's no longer sharp enough. I don't care how it comes out of the box unless it's too dull to cut anything useful, and is going to take a lot of work to sharpen. It doesn't need to treetop my arm hair the second I pull it out of the box.
This video was a bit slow, but it was thorough. I like that he went over the sheath in some detail. I can see now what you were talking about with the thumb ramp and how that makes it real easy to pull out of the sheath. The sheath looks really nice, much better than what you normally get (from any company).
Post by: Sea Monster on November 19, 2016, 03:37:24 AM
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after having been handled by the post office?
You sound defensive ::) :D
But you're right, and this is why I generally stay away from online video reviews, they're up there with amazon "it arrived, looks cool, would recommend this knife to anti-terrorism squads and archaeologist-adventurers. 10/10" as far as usefulness goes.
Post by: Grathr on November 19, 2016, 05:59:34 AM
Quoteafter having been handled by the post office?
You sound defensive ::) :D
But you're right, and this is why I generally stay away from online video reviews, they're up there with amazon "it arrived, looks cool, would recommend this knife to anti-terrorism squads and archaeologist-adventurer. 10/10" as far as usefulness goes.
Now that is something to have on your buisness card.
What would be the ultimate multitool for the modern Indiana Jones/ Lara Croft? :think:
Not many multis out there with a spoon and a small brush. :D
Post by: Steinar on November 19, 2016, 11:45:41 AM
(http://www.opinel.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_slide/public/produit/boutique/mushroom_knife_web_0.jpg)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 19, 2016, 01:36:01 PM
Quoteafter having been handled by the post office?
You sound defensive ::) :D
But you're right, and this is why I generally stay away from online video reviews, they're up there with amazon "it arrived, looks cool, would recommend this knife to anti-terrorism squads and archaeologist-adventurers. 10/10" as far as usefulness goes.
Not at all- I have the feeling that I have completely failed as a mailman, and I have seen first hand how everything is handled. I'm not saying it is handled poorly, but it is a big chain, and things happen. Especially when it's a square cardboard box in a bubble wrap envelope.
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Post by: ThePeacent on November 20, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfG15PYoaj0
I'll stay with the Legend and MP600s... :multi:
Post by: parnass on November 20, 2016, 01:15:16 PM
Another comparison, this time vs the MP1 (to me, the real Heavy-Duty MT from Gerber)... I dunno, the price point is a tad too high for me, I don't think I'll give it a try
I'll stay with the Legend and MP600s... :multi:
The reviewer was upset that he broke the carbide inserts on the Center Drive when he attempted to cut a stainless steel rod. I would never try that with a multitool and use a Dremel tool with cutting wheel or a bolt cutter instead.
Post by: Old Boy on November 21, 2016, 02:38:18 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on November 21, 2016, 03:21:19 AM
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The reviewer was upset that he broke the carbide inserts on the Center Drive when he attempted to cut a stainless steel rod
I seem to remember my PST having no troubles with stainless rod.... :D
Post by: Old Boy on November 21, 2016, 03:23:34 AM
Post by: Sea Monster on November 21, 2016, 04:10:03 AM
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Isn't carbide so hard it's brittle?
Something like that....
used in machining hard steels and the like, but any sharp knocks and it chips (or cracks) and is useless after that.
They're in fashion with multis at the moment, but the debate as to whether they are the best option rages on.
Post by: mikekoz on November 21, 2016, 02:27:25 PM
Post by: parnass on November 21, 2016, 07:17:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIJ5oYX55o0
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 21, 2016, 10:33:40 PM
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Post by: Monrogue on November 22, 2016, 03:01:44 AM
Having gotten some mileage on mine, I am just about ready to write a full review. Stay tuned. :D:popcorn:
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Post by: Smashie on November 22, 2016, 03:06:19 AM
Having gotten some mileage on mine, I am just about ready to write a full review. Stay tuned. :D
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Well everything I've read or watched so far has been pretty polarized so I'm in the cheap seats eating popcorn as well. :popcorn:
Post by: metasyntax on November 22, 2016, 03:17:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e-FZav6lH0
Post by: WiseDuck on November 22, 2016, 10:10:05 AM
Post by: babola on November 24, 2016, 11:38:23 PM
Gerber Center Drive kit - https://www.amazon.com/Gerber-Center-Drive-Multi-Tool-Sheath-30-001194/dp/B01LX91NIU
Release day (1 Nov):
$90.99 (List price shown on the same Web page $119.00)
Week later:
$99.99 (List price shown on the same Web page $119.00)
As of yesterday (24th Nov):
$106.87 (List price shown on the same Web page $132.00) ::)
The list is still $119, it's been like that from day one with other retailers including Gerber itself.
Must be pre-Black Friday craze that's got to them. 8) The more you spend the more you save, right? :)
Post by: rdub934 on November 25, 2016, 12:38:38 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 25, 2016, 08:53:45 PM
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Post by: Grathr on November 26, 2016, 07:15:02 AM
Only problem is that it hasnt arrived yet. According to tracking it has been on a sorting terminal here since monday... :wait:
Post by: kaput on November 26, 2016, 07:51:58 AM
Post by: metasyntax on November 26, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
Post by: sawman on November 26, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Post by: Padre on November 26, 2016, 05:37:19 PM
Post by: Grathr on November 26, 2016, 05:38:07 PM
Hopefully it hasnt become a treasured ARTIFACT for a long fingered postal worker.
Post by: sawman on November 26, 2016, 05:41:24 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: rdub934 on November 26, 2016, 06:08:05 PM
Post by: rdub934 on November 26, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
Terminal trucks should maybe add some Octane on their Diesel to get the tool to you faster...
Learning moment - as a Fuels guy, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that adding octane to diesel fuel would cause the engine to perform poorly, if at all. Diesel is not rated by it's octane content since it is usually really, really low. Diesel is rated by it's cetane level, which is a reflection of how easy it is to ignite and how quickly it burns. Octane rating indicates the amount of compression the fuel can withstand before it ignites. Higher octane diesel would probably be unable to ignite in the average diesel engine because it would require too much compression. Creating enough compression to ignite it would probably cause so much pressure that you'd start seeing increased wear that could result in material failures inside the engine.
When it comes to engines and their fuels, you have to keep those hydrocarbons in BALANCE ;)
Post by: Monrogue on November 26, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
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Post by: Padre on November 26, 2016, 07:18:28 PM
Terminal trucks should maybe add some Octane on their Diesel to get the tool to you faster...
Learning moment - as a Fuels guy, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that adding octane to diesel fuel would cause the engine to perform poorly, if at all. Diesel is not rated by it's octane content since it is usually really, really low. Diesel is rated by it's cetane level, which is a reflection of how easy it is to ignite and how quickly it burns. Octane rating indicates the amount of compression the fuel can withstand before it ignites. Higher octane diesel would probably be unable to ignite in the average diesel engine because it would require too much compression. Creating enough compression to ignite it would probably cause so much pressure that you'd start seeing increased wear that could result in material failures inside the engine.
When it comes to engines and their fuels, you have to keep those hydrocarbons in BALANCE ;)
OK, I'll wait for Gerber Gasoline for 2018 now.
:D
Post by: rdub934 on November 26, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
Post by: babola on November 27, 2016, 08:30:30 PM
:facepalm:
Post by: kaput on November 28, 2016, 07:47:08 AM
Review; If you are a pliers based multitool guy the implementation of the quick slide pliers are first and foremost on this tool being easy to quickly deploy and use. I do like that a heavy duty tool is using spring loaded pliers. I am ok with either spring loaded or non, I appreciate both. I do like the shape of the pliers being more of a needle nose at the end, could come in handy. To get the pliers in and out is much quicker deployment than standard Leatherman type pliers where they are all on the inside, sans OHT.
Starting with the outer tools, the knife is fine and the shape is good. It didn't feel inherintley BIG as it's been pushed by the advertising. The namesake center-drive bit driver is nice it's extended and centered on the tool, and although I didn't get to put it to use it seemed nice and super durable. Soooo 8) I love me an awl. I use an awl frequently. And I think every multitool from midsize to large should without a doubt posses an awl, no questions asked ;). Although this awl is very nice and pointy sharp it is extremely unfortunately short :pok:! As was the prybar/can opener. If I'm prying almost anything I should really be reaching for hammer/chisel/prybar, but it did seem to be stout and could pry a small nail or something stuck possibly. And although short, which is probably a benefit to not extending the leverage from the body of the tool? The other two tools the serrated and file seemed just fine.
I just don't think I jive with the Gerber design overall, but could completely see how groups of people would and could. I personally didn't care for the way it looked, and although I use my tools and like them to get scratched and am ok with them showing wear and tear, I like them to look cool 8). Also the cutouts in the frame, I know this is a Gerber thing but I think im just so conditioned and in tune with Leatherman and smooth clean lines that it prevented me from liking the looks. Not to mention the size, it is a big awkward feeling tool. Even the LM 300 feels more sleek. I also don't like all the steps required to access the inner tools and use them. The GCD center drive driver was uncomfortable in my hands, and unlike Leathermans tools where using the pliers are ambidextrous, the GCD seems to have a certain grip using the pliers to be comforatable in regards to that rounded non flush center drive driver (and I don't necessarily hate the idea, my Gerber crucial is the same way, except it is extremely comforatable using it as designed).
I don't know. After actually getting my hands on this tool I still have mixed feelings on the tool. Some great features and some that would take some getting used too. I still like Gerber and appreciate everything they do. I really admire them for this out of the box thinking! :tu: :tu: I have no doubt some people who take the chance and pocket this tool will find it extremely useful and have allot of nice features at hand. :cheers:
Post by: Grathr on November 28, 2016, 06:57:24 PM
Havent had much time to play with it yet.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 29, 2016, 12:55:53 AM
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Post by: Monrogue on November 29, 2016, 02:20:23 AM
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Post by: sawman on November 29, 2016, 06:42:36 AM
I'm holding off but I hope this tool sells a billion copies. :cheers:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 29, 2016, 01:51:52 PM
Well, they cut a LM eye-glass bit in their promo video... that should be a pretty tough task right up there with stainless steel rod. Anyone did a reality check on that one :DAnother comparison, this time vs the MP1 (to me, the real Heavy-Duty MT from Gerber)... I dunno, the price point is a tad too high for me, I don't think I'll give it a try
I'll stay with the Legend and MP600s... :multi:
The reviewer was upset that he broke the carbide inserts on the Center Drive when he attempted to cut a stainless steel rod. I would never try that with a multitool and use a Dremel tool with cutting wheel or a bolt cutter instead.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 29, 2016, 05:35:26 PM
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Post by: Padre on November 29, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
Post by: AimlessWanderer on November 29, 2016, 10:07:10 PM
Post by: rdub934 on November 30, 2016, 04:14:51 AM
Order some spare cutters in advance :dwts:
So Much this. It's almost like those cutters are made of glass
:whistle:
Seriously, the cutters are the only thing I dislike about the GCD
Post by: Tsquare on November 30, 2016, 05:01:37 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 30, 2016, 02:12:43 PM
I really like the color contrast of BO implements with a bead blast handle. Thinking about putting BO mp400 implements in a bead blast mp400 handle.I'm a big fan of the other way round... BO frame with stainless tools :drool:
Tough the opposite has its appeal too.
Post by: Monrogue on November 30, 2016, 03:42:49 PM
I really like the color contrast of BO implements with a bead blast handle. Thinking about putting BO mp400 implements in a bead blast mp400 handle.Same here ;)
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Post by: clown on December 01, 2016, 03:25:29 AM
I don't have a spare eyeglass screwdriver to test it on.
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I'd give you mine! IMHO it's the most worthless tool and the biggest waste of space I've ever seen on an MT. Although I don't wear glasses :D It's my biggest pet peeve with LM.
Post by: kaput on December 01, 2016, 04:39:39 AM
Agree 100%. :facepalm:I don't have a spare eyeglass screwdriver to test it on.
Def
I'd give you mine! IMHO it's the most worthless tool and the biggest waste of space I've ever seen on an MT. Although I don't wear glasses :D It's my biggest pet peeve with LM.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 01, 2016, 10:35:37 AM
I agree, especially such a bulky one. I do like the eye-glass screwdriver on a SAK.Agree 100%. :facepalm:I don't have a spare eyeglass screwdriver to test it on.
Def
I'd give you mine! IMHO it's the most worthless tool and the biggest waste of space I've ever seen on an MT. Although I don't wear glasses :D It's my biggest pet peeve with LM.
However, anyone remember the uproar when they dropped the eye-glass screwdriver on the Surge?
Post by: Padre on December 01, 2016, 03:08:14 PM
Hint: Offer to tighten up your friends/relatives glasses with the tool to spread up joy. :)
Post by: kaput on December 01, 2016, 04:41:27 PM
Post by: babola on December 02, 2016, 01:57:22 AM
I agree that the EG-screwdriver is waste of space for many, but I use it frequently and really like it. I need to pry open small electronics and also have multiple glasses and sunglasses. I have maybe twenty stubs around.
Hint: Offer to tighten up your friends/relatives glasses with the tool to spread up joy. :)
Same here.
Post by: sawman on December 02, 2016, 03:46:38 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 02, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
I've worn sunglasses my entire life, since a baby 8) and I have never once had to tighten the screws on them! Am I doing something wrong here?! :ahhhI have never used it / never needed to use them on my own glasses (wearing them now for 32 years). I usually switch glasses about every 4-6 years (my correction has been the same for all those years ).
I had to fix my wifes glasses once, but mostly it is children toys and glasses that need my attention.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 02, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
On the other hand, it is one of those things that when you need it, you need it, and there really is no substitute, so maybe having one isn't a bad thing after all.
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Post by: Etherealicer on December 02, 2016, 01:37:16 PM
As I was the only member of my family who didn't wear glasses, I was nominated to fix everyone else's glasses whenever screws came loose. It was something that happened, although not often. I'm not sure I would really go out of my way to buy a tool with an eyeglass screwdriver on it, due to the infrequency in which I used it. We had a set of precision screwdrivers growing up, and they were always kept in the desk drawer for whenever the need struck.Wrong! The blade of the Classic does pretty well as eye-glass-screwdriver :salute:
On the other hand, it is one of those things that when you need it, you need it, and there really is no substitute, so maybe having one isn't a bad thing after all.
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Post by: David Bowen on December 02, 2016, 01:50:40 PM
I want to also add, I've becomes a member of the Center Drive club and putting it through its paces as we speak. Initial impression is good and the quality is definitely there. Pliers don't slide out like I wish they would with a flick but maybe that will come with time. The driver feels real good when being used but the extra bit holder feels odd, like it's unfinished. I'll keep testing it and let you guys know what I think.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 02, 2016, 03:37:12 PM
As I was the only member of my family who didn't wear glasses, I was nominated to fix everyone else's glasses whenever screws came loose. It was something that happened, although not often. I'm not sure I would really go out of my way to buy a tool with an eyeglass screwdriver on it, due to the infrequency in which I used it. We had a set of precision screwdrivers growing up, and they were always kept in the desk drawer for whenever the need struck.Wrong! The blade of the Classic does pretty well as eye-glass-screwdriver :salute:
On the other hand, it is one of those things that when you need it, you need it, and there really is no substitute, so maybe having one isn't a bad thing after all.
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Use a blade as a screwdriver? :ahhh
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Post by: Etherealicer on December 02, 2016, 06:56:45 PM
Always, that is what blades are for... solve your problems.As I was the only member of my family who didn't wear glasses, I was nominated to fix everyone else's glasses whenever screws came loose. It was something that happened, although not often. I'm not sure I would really go out of my way to buy a tool with an eyeglass screwdriver on it, due to the infrequency in which I used it. We had a set of precision screwdrivers growing up, and they were always kept in the desk drawer for whenever the need struck.Wrong! The blade of the Classic does pretty well as eye-glass-screwdriver :salute:
On the other hand, it is one of those things that when you need it, you need it, and there really is no substitute, so maybe having one isn't a bad thing after all.
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Use a blade as a screwdriver? :ahhh
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 03, 2016, 12:53:10 AM
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Post by: cooter32 on December 05, 2016, 02:28:54 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 05, 2016, 03:12:01 PM
I just ordered it. Looks bad ass but I am a bit skeptical due to my experience with the MP1. I really hope it is as tough as they say it is.
What was your experience with the MP1?
Welcome to the forum! :D
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Post by: cooter32 on December 06, 2016, 01:36:30 AM
Post by: kaput on December 06, 2016, 03:05:08 AM
Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.
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Post by: WoodsDuck on December 06, 2016, 03:26:08 AM
Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.
I have to ask- what were you doing when the knife tip broke off?
Post by: Etherealicer on December 06, 2016, 07:22:03 AM
Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.Do you have pictures???
It's just that on the 5th you wrote you have ordered one and on the 6th you already have returned it 4 times.
Post by: Gareth on December 06, 2016, 07:26:57 AM
Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.Do you have pictures???
It's just that on the 5th you wrote you have ordered one and on the 6th you already have returned it 4 times.
I think that's ordered a Center Drive on the 5th, but has been returning his MP1 multiple times. :)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 06, 2016, 07:32:18 AM
Ahh, that makes so much more sense.Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.Do you have pictures???
It's just that on the 5th you wrote you have ordered one and on the 6th you already have returned it 4 times.
I think that's ordered a Center Drive on the 5th, but has been returning his MP1 multiple times. :)
Post by: Gareth on December 06, 2016, 07:38:25 AM
(https://www.autoflower.net/forums/images/smilies/coffee.gif)Ahh, that makes so much more sense.Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.Do you have pictures???
It's just that on the 5th you wrote you have ordered one and on the 6th you already have returned it 4 times.
I think that's ordered a Center Drive on the 5th, but has been returning his MP1 multiple times. :)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 06, 2016, 08:04:34 AM
(https://www.autoflower.net/forums/images/smilies/coffee.gif)Ahh, that makes so much more sense.Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.Do you have pictures???
It's just that on the 5th you wrote you have ordered one and on the 6th you already have returned it 4 times.
I think that's ordered a Center Drive on the 5th, but has been returning his MP1 multiple times. :)
Post by: parnass on December 06, 2016, 03:02:01 PM
Objects dropped are most likely to fall on a corner. If the lanyard attachment point on the Center Drive is plastic, I hope it is strong enough to survive a drop on a hard surface.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 06, 2016, 03:10:11 PM
Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QK4zN89E-dM/VzbrqgBfZ0I/AAAAAAAASrM/W1lK5kmysr4j2CrzGd9Ln5gtTXbO9Dc9ACLcB/s1600/yikes-emoji.png)
That's a worrying amount of returns for a supposedly heavy duty tool that isn't being used heavily. I'm glad I decided not to bother with this one.
You say the pliers are flexible with low force.... I have been making the point recently that sprung pliers don't last as long due to their hollow construction causing wear around the pivot far quicker than other pliers. Do you think this is what may be causing the flex, or is there something else which seems to cause it?
Post by: WiseDuck on December 08, 2016, 01:15:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lE4Ncr9zeA&t=0s
Post by: cooter32 on December 08, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
picking a piece of paper up off the floor. Not the smartest thing to do but shouldn't have snapped the tip off.Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.
I have to ask- what were you doing when the knife tip broke off?
Post by: cooter32 on December 08, 2016, 01:29:04 PM
I think it is just weak material. The plier jaws just twist under force.Thanks! I've had to return it 4 times due to various failures that should not have happened. I repair and maintain medical equipment so the environment is not hardcore like a machine shop or construction site. My first unit the tip broke off of the knife quite easily. Then the driver arm snapped in half while in use and again with not much force. I had the flat screw driver tip break and now its on its way back due to the hardware that holds the hand grips on just simply backed out and fell off. Also the pliers are very flexible when a small amount of force is applied. Still I do like the tool and rely on it more so than my tool case. It's obvious that the materials that make this tool are of low quality. The plus side is that the warranty coverage is awesome. Just send the broken unit back and they send me a new one.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QK4zN89E-dM/VzbrqgBfZ0I/AAAAAAAASrM/W1lK5kmysr4j2CrzGd9Ln5gtTXbO9Dc9ACLcB/s1600/yikes-emoji.png)
That's a worrying amount of returns for a supposedly heavy duty tool that isn't being used heavily. I'm glad I decided not to bother with this one.
You say the pliers are flexible with low force.... I have been making the point recently that sprung pliers don't last as long due to their hollow construction causing wear around the pivot far quicker than other pliers. Do you think this is what may be causing the flex, or is there something else which seems to cause it?
Post by: WoodsDuck on December 08, 2016, 02:12:04 PM
Post by: Grathr on December 08, 2016, 06:12:10 PM
There is nothing wrong with the tool, its just so smurfing big. Even when belt carrying I feel it sticks out so much its in the way for normal edc carry. Its a somewhat cumbersome design IMO with the huge driver sticking out and the lip on the lock release.
Ill put it on the belt of my "project pants" and see if it fits better there. (The surge has been occupiying that spot for some time)
Post by: AimlessWanderer on December 08, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
I have carried my center drive a little, and to be honest we dont get along very well.
There is nothing wrong with the tool, its just so smurfing big. Even when belt carrying I feel it sticks out so much its in the way for normal edc carry. Its a somewhat cumbersome design IMO with the huge driver sticking out and the lip on the lock release.
Ill put it on the belt of my "project pants" and see if it fits better there. (The surge has been occupiying that spot for some time)
Too big for EDC, and taking on the Surge head-to-head.
Should be interesting :D
Post by: cooter32 on December 08, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: WoodsDuck link=topic=68896.msg1391980#msg1391980 date=1 :ahhh481202724
Knife blades don't respond well to attempts to stab the floor, and every set of MT pliers I've ever seen will flex under twisting. Never twist with a MT if you can avoid it.Lol!! But still it shoudn't have broken off so easily IMO
Post by: ThePeacent on December 10, 2016, 03:18:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QW2z6MkvXk&t=228s
Post by: kaput on December 10, 2016, 04:10:56 PM
Post by: Aloha on December 10, 2016, 05:24:37 PM
Center drive does look pretty awesome tho. I dig the black and silver.
Post by: derekmac on December 30, 2016, 04:12:54 AM
Post by: kaput on December 30, 2016, 06:03:51 AM
Well I just read through this thread, and I'm very intrigued by the CD. For how and what I use an MT for, I think this could really fit the bill. I'd love to try one out before I try and sell some gear off, or trade for one though.Well, if youre a Gerber multi fan it looks like they did a pretty good job and held true to their modus operendi. Lots of reviews out there now too since it's been a minute.
And, it got runner up for multi tool of the year, which adds some solid backing to the tool (assuming that people who voted for it actually had one?)
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 31, 2016, 04:44:14 PM
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Post by: Etherealicer on December 31, 2016, 04:52:45 PM
I don't usually like to spill the beans in advance, but there may be a way you can get a Center Drive for as little as $10 in January.... :whistle::ahhh
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 31, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
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Post by: yourbadneighbor on January 01, 2017, 01:16:53 AM
I don't usually like to spill the beans in advance, but there may be a way you can get a Center Drive for as little as $10 in January.... :whistle:That would be great if it doesn't require me trading in my Wave! Lol
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I would like to try their system out, I have not cared for the way their tools have been made for a while.
I may have to try a CD before I get my next LM which will be a Surge to mod or crunch to mod?🤔?
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Post by: kaput on January 01, 2017, 02:07:13 AM
Post by: chrono on January 01, 2017, 03:17:07 AM
I don't usually like to spill the beans in advance, but there may be a way you can get a Center Drive for as little as $10 in January.... :whistle:
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Boss, that is more a probability than a way :P
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 01, 2017, 11:09:21 PM
Make it a loaner, so we can all have a few days with it. That'd be pretty great!
If I can find another Donation Draw prize in the next 48 hours that might be an option. :D
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Post by: kaput on January 01, 2017, 11:37:09 PM
Make it a loaner, so we can all have a few days with it. That'd be pretty great!
If I can find another Donation Draw prize in the next 48 hours that might be an option. :D
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Oh i see that'll be the donation prize! Gotcha. That's actually a great prize and would be great gift and good for the site funds. Cheers to that :cheers:
Post by: leathermon on January 12, 2017, 08:51:46 AM
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Post by: firiki on January 12, 2017, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2017, 01:20:08 PM
If they want to put a spring in it, they should have put it in the blade instead and made an assisted opening model. :pok:
I am sorry to hear that you are having problems with it, but I am certain Gerber will look after it.
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Post by: leathermon on January 12, 2017, 03:21:46 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 12, 2017, 05:34:29 PM
I think part of the problem is gerber didn't expect the demand to be this high. I think they are producing them as fast as they can right now, maybe without the next quality control. I expect later in the year to have a better qc.
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Yeah, that happens. I seem to recall Leatherman having issues with the plier heads on the Skeletools in the beginning.
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Post by: leathermon on January 31, 2017, 07:58:56 AM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
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Post by: leathermon on February 01, 2017, 11:10:03 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 02, 2017, 01:55:57 AM
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Post by: leathermon on February 02, 2017, 07:00:39 AM
I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it once you get a few miles on it.So far I'm not a big fan of the pliers, the action is real gritty and I'm gun shy after the last pair failed at the spring. I always carry a stand alone knife, but forget yesterday and the gerber knife preformed well and didn't make me notice I forgot mine. The pry worked nice but I would like to see it a little longer for more access.
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 02, 2017, 01:00:35 PM
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Post by: firiki on February 02, 2017, 02:41:50 PM
... nice but I would like to see it a little longer for more access.
Waiting for pfrsantos in 5... 4... 3... ... ... :whistle: :angel:
Post by: magentus on February 02, 2017, 02:47:32 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on February 02, 2017, 03:08:58 PM
It sure beats the pry bar on any other multitool though. :DThe Spirit's "crate opener" isn't bad, though it lacks the nail puller.
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Post by: ducttapetech on February 02, 2017, 03:19:47 PM
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad80/magentus2112/pfrsantos2_zpsys1s6rfa.png) (http://s923.photobucket.com/user/magentus2112/media/pfrsantos2_zpsys1s6rfa.png.html):rofl: :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on February 02, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
Easy to add one with a grinder and file.It sure beats the pry bar on any other multitool though. :DThe Spirit's "crate opener" isn't bad, though it lacks the nail puller.
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Post by: leathermon on February 11, 2017, 05:29:25 PM
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Post by: Grant Lamontagne on February 11, 2017, 11:20:35 PM
I get what you are saying about the torque feeling though- I feel the same thing when I go from a multitool to a dedicated screwdriver. Since I use a multitool so much I often forget how normal tools are supposed to feel. :ahhh
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