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Tool Talk => Swiss Army Knights Forum => Topic started by: ringzero on August 20, 2008, 09:31:40 PM
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Experimenting with various methods of carrying my OH-GAK:
-belt sheath (works fine, but not an EDC option for me)
-loose in pocket (too long, too thick, too heavy)
-improvised pocket clip (too thick and too obtrusive)
-belt suspension with carabiner (too cumbersome to access)
None of those methods were acceptable for EDC, so I was considering more unusual methods I've seen on MTO:
-rare earth magnet belt suspension systems
-bicycle innertube sheaths
Finally I tried just shoving my OH-GAK into my back pocket next to my wallet, on the outboard side.
Since my wallet is fairly thick, the OH-GAK rides vertically without ever tilting over sideways. Access is quick and easy and there seems to be little danger of loss. Although I can feel it occasionally - getting into a car for example - most of the time it isn't that noticeable.
If I have a OH-GAK in my back pocket, then I no longer need a Tinker in my front pocket because a OH-GAK covers all Tinker functionality. So, my right front pocket is freed up to carry something else. :>
Anyone else EDC their OHT or OH-GAK? What carry method do you use?
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I edc it around the house/yard, loose in a pocket. I forget it's there and have no problem.
I usually wear cargo type pants with many pockets.
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I edc it around the house/yard, loose in a pocket. I forget it's there and have no problem.
I usually wear cargo type pants with many pockets.
Same here. :)
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I EDC one occasionally. The one I most frequently carry has been modified with micarta scales and a pocket clip (seen here (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,5287.msg89067.html#msg89067)), so I clip it onto my strong-side front pocket. I used to carry it in my pocket, but the clip keeps it more stable and convenient. I have two wet-molded leather sheaths for my OHTs also, but rarely use them.
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If I ever get the money to have my "custom" one made I'll EDC it. I do carry my Adventurer quite often and just put it in my front right pocket with no problems.
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I did for a few days in my right front pocket next to my wallet. It wasn't really uncomfortable...but if I'm going to carry a one handed blade, it has to be have a pocket clip. What's the use of having the OHO blade if you got to fish around in your pocket to get it? Clipped knives are much faster to get at and deploy.
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On Scene Tactical Sheaths:
Part One (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=77&Itemid=35)
Part Two (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=242&Itemid=35)
Or a nice heavy duty wet molded leather Mcniac sheath:
Mcniac sheaths (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=38&Itemid=35)
Def
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Esteban's sheaths are beautiful. Here is one of mine:
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL486/2217790/14374864/234466597.jpg)
(http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL486/2217790/14374864/234466577.jpg)
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Great sheath Terry. I love the Sosak shield on it.
When I carry my OHT at weekends around the house, I have no trouble carrying it in my pockets.
Nowadays although OH opening is handy, (mostly up ladders)I tend to carry the Centurion (it is none OH) a bit more as I seldom need the saw and it makes a real slim package. Most of the time I have plenty time to open the Centurion the conventional way.
Bob
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NutSAK--Your OHT is exactly the set-up I am contemplating. The only additional mod I would make would be to (gulp) cut the thumb opening hole. I have done this on a few other knives to allow for automatic blade opening when the knife is pulled from the pocket. The opening catches on the pocket (tip up carry) and the blade continues to open. I do not do this for fast kill reasons, I have small hands and it is the easiest way to open a knife while the other hand is occupied. Some high-end knives like Emerson have this feature built in.
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Yeah, I've seen "waved" OHTs before, and it appears that the mod works really well. I've not tried that, but I'd like to sometime.
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That shaeth is lovely when I get my OHT I will save my pennies for one like that
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What's the use of having the OHO blade if you got to fish around in your pocket to get it? Clipped knives are much faster to get at and deploy.
If you don't carry a lot of stuff in your pocket it's not hard at all to grab it out of a pocket. If you wear loose clothing it helps too. When I'm carrying a knife in my pocket I can grab it just about as quick as I can clipped to me. Plus it's more secure.
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I use to suspend mine from a belt clip and it would ride nicely along the seam of my pants.
Then Def ruined it for me, he sent me a kydex sheath which now rides on the inside of my belt. :o
BAD, BAD, DEF. :twak: Just kidding buddy thanks again for the kydex.. :mail:
(Now since I said something good about DEF can I join the SOSAK forum???)
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yeah clips seem like a great idea on paper but I've heard so many stories of
people reaching for their clip on tool and it's not there! :ahhh
many never lose it but the percentage of people that do is too high for me.
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You are in the SOSAK forum... or did you forget?
Spending too much time looking at your avatar again, aren't you?
Def
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YEAH!!! :drool:
It could be worse, I could drool over SAKs how strange would that be? ::)
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Par for the course I think...
find the bow in that pic yet? :D
Def
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Par for the course I think...
find the bow in that pic yet? :D
Def
That's a good point, both me and Ben still wan see a bigger pic :drool:
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Par for the course I think...
find the bow in that pic yet? :D
Def
That's a good point, both me and Ben still wan see a bigger pic :drool:
Me too!
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Nowadays although OH opening is handy, (mostly up ladders)I tend to carry the Centurion (it is none OH) a bit more as I seldom need the saw and it makes a real slim package. Most of the time I have plenty time to open the Centurion the conventional way.
OHT is a superb SAK - the best outdoors-oriented, general purpose knife that I've ever owned.
But, in my drab, boring, day-to-day urban existence, I just have no need of a woodsaw and would happily sacrifice it to gain a thinner SAK for EDC.
If Vic would make a Centurion with a one-hand-opening blade (using current OHT blade) and a pocket clip, then that'd represent absolute PERFECTION in an EDC SAK for me.
If I had a OHC (one-hand-opening, pocket-clipped Centurion) then I'd be all set for EDC for the rest of my life. I'd never even look at another SAK for EDC.
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Par for the course I think...
find the bow in that pic yet? :D
Def
That's a good point, both me and Ben still wan see a bigger pic :drool:
I do indeed!
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As you wish.
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:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
Lost for words for once :o
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Who is that? :D :D
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Who is that? :D :D
The FUTURE Mrs. Swiss Man (just don't tell my wife!!!) :D :o
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nice shot Swiss Man, you should take an outdoors picture of that (her) and send it in too the
mags, good form there!
it's not a Mathews, not a Hoyt, I'm gonna guess a PSE ;)
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I also see the paper for fine tuning, I've never used it, I should!
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Man she's HOT! :drool:
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Man she's HOT! :drool:
That doesn't quite cover how stunning that young lady is ;)
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Man she's HOT! :drool:
That doesn't quite cover how stunning that young lady is ;)
Sorry...
She is VERY HOT!! :drool:
:D :D
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Here is another photo of FUTURE Mrs. Swiss Man. :D
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Here is another photo of FUTURE Mrs. Swiss Man. :D
I like the pair of arrows! Hehe..
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Edi, got any photo similar to Mr. Swissman? :D
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My ideal woman should know how to cook.
The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee21/edap617/Beach/Cook.jpg)
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I'm breathing hard!! Better take my maintenance!! :D
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If Vic would make a Centurion with a one-hand-opening blade (using current OHT blade) and a pocket clip, then that'd represent absolute PERFECTION in an EDC SAK for me.
If I had a OHC (one-hand-opening, pocket-clipped Centurion) then I'd be all set for EDC for the rest of my life. I'd never even look at another SAK for EDC.
Howzabout if Wenger made one?
(http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/images/stories/ranger%2061%20w%20clip%20-%20reverse1.jpg)
http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
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The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
My wife says the fastest way to a mans heart is right through the ribcage. :-\ :-\ :-\ :o :o :o
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The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
My wife says the fastest way to a mans heart is right through the ribcage. :-\ :-\ :-\ :o :o :o
Is there a scared to death icon?????????????????????
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The best way to a man's heart is through his stomach.
My wife says the fastest way to a mans heart is right through the ribcage. :-\ :-\ :-\ :o :o :o
Is there a scared to death icon?????????????????????
This one :o :o :o
And you'd need it in the DTH household :D
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I think SwissMan is the luckiest guy in the world! :cheers:
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Thank you Now here is one more to last you thru the weekend.
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If Vic would make a Centurion with a one-hand-opening blade (using current OHT blade) and a pocket clip, then that'd represent absolute PERFECTION in an EDC SAK for me.
If I had a OHC (one-hand-opening, pocket-clipped Centurion) then I'd be all set for EDC for the rest of my life. I'd never even look at another SAK for EDC.
Howzabout if Wenger made one?
(http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/images/stories/ranger%2061%20w%20clip%20-%20reverse1.jpg)
http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Unfortunately, Wenger still doesn't make one (a Ranger model with implements matching Vic Centurion.)
For some bizarre reason, Wenger chose to equip that model Ranger with a &^%$# corkscrew instead of a useful Phillips!
Completely ruins that model for me, even though I love everything else about it.
I HATE corkscrews on SAKs and generally won't buy or keep any SAK with a corkscrew - unless it also has a Phillips.
If Wenger ever releases that Ranger with a Phillips in place of the corkscrew, then I'll buy one or more of them immediately.
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Thank you Now here is one more to last you thru the weekend.
youre one lucky man :cheers:
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If Vic would make a Centurion with a one-hand-opening blade (using current OHT blade) and a pocket clip, then that'd represent absolute PERFECTION in an EDC SAK for me.
If I had a OHC (one-hand-opening, pocket-clipped Centurion) then I'd be all set for EDC for the rest of my life. I'd never even look at another SAK for EDC.
Howzabout if Wenger made one?
(http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/images/stories/ranger%2061%20w%20clip%20-%20reverse1.jpg)
http://felinevet.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Unfortunately, Wenger still doesn't make one (a Ranger model with implements matching Vic Centurion.)
For some bizarre reason, Wenger chose to equip that model Ranger with a &^%$# corkscrew instead of a useful Phillips!
Completely ruins that model for me, even though I love everything else about it.
I HATE corkscrews on SAKs and generally won't buy or keep any SAK with a corkscrew - unless it also has a Phillips.
If Wenger ever releases that Ranger with a Phillips in place of the corkscrew, then I'll buy one or more of them immediately.
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I don't mind the corkscrew- I just wish they would come out with something closer to the OHT- blade, can opener, bottle opener and wood saw.
Def
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I use a static cord for my OHT an Rescue Tool(basically an overgrown OHT) . The static cord consisting of abut of paracord a leather disk and a round cordlock. The cordlock an disk get shoved under the belt, the tool just hangs in the pocket . To draw , the disk and cordlockare just pulled out from under the belt. Length of the loop can be adjusted to compensate for pocket depth. The pockets don't feel heavy an bulge as the weight is being carried on the belt.
Chris
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expensivegunman....opps styerman, do you have a pic of your set-up, I'm intrigued.
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f Wenger ever releases that Ranger with a Phillips in place of the corkscrew, then I'll buy one or more of them immediately.
They usually swap in a Phillips for the US market, not sure why they didn't on this one.
There are a number of New Ranger combinations I wish they would make.
I don't mind the corkscrew- I just wish they would come out with something closer to the OHT- blade, can opener, bottle opener and wood saw.
Def
That would be the New Ranger 178
(http://www.wenger.ch/htdocs/Attachments/Pictures/2008212_813721146.jpg)
or the 78 if you want a plain edge. Still hasn't made it to the US.
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expensivegunman....opps styerman, do you have a pic of your set-up, I'm intrigued.
Sadly my computer has crapped out an I'm on line with my Ipod touch , without a computer I can't upload pics to the touch.
Chris
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They usually swap in a Phillips for the US market, not sure why they didn't on this one.
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That would be the New Ranger 178
(http://www.wenger.ch/htdocs/Attachments/Pictures/2008212_813721146.jpg)
or the 78 if you want a plain edge. Still hasn't made it to the US.
WOWSERS! Those Ranger 178 and 78 models look like awesome SAKs!
Those will be the very best SAKs available for general outdoor EDC. If available with pocket clips, those will match or beat out the Vic OHT in every feature:
-bigger mainblade
-longer woodsaw
-better grip ergonomics
-pocket clip!
I'm SO HAPPY that Wenger didn't screw up Ranger 78 and 178 by putting corkscrews in place of the Phillips drivers!
Now, if Wenger would offer that exact same model but without the woodsaw, I'd have my perfect SAK for EDC.
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That 78 is a glorious knife and I have to find a way to get my hands on one.
However, I will say again, the Alinghi 176 with a wood saw instead of the marlin spike would be, for me, a near perfect knife. Think about it, one hand blade, folding pliers, and a flat head that can be used as a bit driver. Is that possible?
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That 78 is a glorious knife and I have to find a way to get my hands on one.
However, I will say again, the Alinghi 176 with a wood saw instead of the marlin spike would be, for me, a near perfect knife. Think about it, one hand blade, folding pliers, and a flat head that can be used as a bit driver. Is that possible?
Yeah, that Alinghi looks to be an awesome SAK - maybe more of a true multitool than most SAKs with pliers.
A model based on Alinghi but with woodsaw instead of marlinspike would be great for outdoorsmen.
However, isn't Alinghi kind of expensive - something well over a hundred bucks IIRC?
When I first read about the Alinghi, I seem to remember thinking that a brand name multi plus a good dedicated folding knife could be purchased for less than an Alinghi.
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Sadly Wenger just doesn't have the build quality ,or the can opener found in Vicks. The only one I own is the SI.
Chris
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Sadly Wenger just doesn't have the build quality
OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH, there's gonna be some fightin!!!!!
*DTH grabs some popcorn* :D :D
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Sadly Wenger just doesn't have the build quality ,or the can opener found in Vicks. The only one I own is the SI.
Chris
I agree with this statement, even though their quality is getting better.
I.M.H.O. Vic has the better fit and finish and quality.
But on the other hand I like the direction that Wenger is going with their products they seems to have a lot on the board lately.
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Sadly Wenger just doesn't have the build quality ,or the can opener found in Vicks. The only one I own is the SI.
Chris
IMO Wenger build quality is plenty good enough for SAKs intended to be carried and used.
Vic fit and finish may be a little better than Wenger, but so what? There are makers offering knives with better fit and finish than Vic, which probably matters more to knife collectors than knife users.
Plenty of people prefer the Wenger canopener implement over the Vic canopener implement. IMO the Wenger implement is better for actually opening cans.
The Vic implement offers added functionality with its small screwdriver tip and can also be used a scraper.
The Wenger implement works great for me when used as a short, semi-hooked blade for cutting tough materials like blister packs. It also works well as a short awl and as a scribe.
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I'm EDCing my Scibeer micarta OHT today. :cheers:
Before buying an OHT, I was never a fan of serrated blades or combination blades, but this knife has made a believer out of me. It's amazing how well it will cut fibrous material, bite into plastic clamshell packs or cut items with a "skin".
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Can someone photo a OHT in hand? I really like the set-up of the knife but never had seen one in person, so I am curious about the size.
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I'm EDCing my Scibeer micarta OHT today. :cheers:
Before buying an OHT, I was never a fan of serrated blades or combination blades, but this knife has made a believer out of me. It's amazing how well it will cut fibrous material, bite into plastic clamshell packs or cut items with a "skin".
Me too!
I almost didn't even buy a OH-GAK just due to its partially serrated blade, but now I must admit that I was completely wrong about that.
After using it for several months, I've come to really respect the partially serrated blade. Works great for nearly any task involving food prep, opening packaging, and cutting rope and string.
As you said, the improved "bite" of the blade into slick materials is quite noticeable and very useful.
The un-serrated part of the edge at the base of the blade is long enough to be useful for woodcrafting tasks like peeling bark and making fire sticks.
In summary, this is a great general utility blade. Probably the best single blade knife I've ever owned for efficiently handling the widest variety of tasks.
Credit must be given to Vic - and maybe to the German Army for specifying this blade in the first place?
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I have just bought a Vic Forester :DAnyone any opinions on the Forester?
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The un-serrated part of the edge at the base of the blade is long enough to be useful for woodcrafting tasks like peeling bark and making fire sticks.
In summary, this is a great general utility blade. Probably the best single blade knife I've ever owned for efficiently handling the widest variety of tasks.
Credit must be given to Vic - and maybe to the German Army for specifying this blade in the first place?
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I couldn't agree more Ringzero. Like many other "unintiated" folks, before I bought an OHT I thought Vic had the serration/plain edge combo backwards. After much use I've decided that, for my purposes, the serrations are more useful at the end of the blade.
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My first OHT lost it's serrations almost immediately. I think our own Dave Bowen has that one nowadays!
My second OHT I decided to keep the serrations, and I have to say I was pretty impressed by them, and after a little bit of use, the serrations near the tip made a heck of a lot more sense than at the base. Having graduated from tactical knife combo edges I wasn't certain about it, but let's face it, if Victorinox does something, there's a good reason for it!
Def
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Could one of you guys briefly explain the advantages of having the serrations at the tip of the blade? I don't have a knife like that and have been wondering about the topic for some time...
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I.M.H.O. the serrations at the front of the blade is great because what do you use serrations for to cut rope cardboard etc..
If there are at the beginning of the blade then you don't have to shove the whole blade into the material which would cause less snagging.
I like the plain edge on it also because you can strip wire sharpen pencils etc.. I like it next to the pivot.
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The blade shape and location of the serrations are great for cutting food also.
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Am looking forward to getting my first OHT
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Could one of you guys briefly explain the advantages of having the serrations at the tip of the blade? I don't have a knife like that and have been wondering about the topic for some time...
As mentioned, it works great for food preparation. It's great for biting into thick plastic also.
One application that I really notice a difference is cutting open large paper bags like feed bags or charcoal bags. Instead of the normal stabbing and slicing as with a normal plain edge or combo edge, I just use a "slashing" action with the tip of the blade. One slash will cut all the way through and across the bag.
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Could one of you guys briefly explain the advantages of having the serrations at the tip of the blade? I don't have a knife like that and have been wondering about the topic for some time...
As mentioned, it works great for food preparation. It's great for biting into thick plastic also.
One application that I really notice a difference is cutting open large paper bags like feed bags or charcoal bags. Instead of the normal stabbing and slicing as with a normal plain edge or combo edge, I just use a "slashing" action with the tip of the blade. One slash will cut all the way through and across the bag.
Anything to do with packaging, packing, unpacking this is the knife for me. I would carry it all the time, except that nowadays in the UK they are talking about jail sentences for certain knives.
Bob
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My first OHT lost it's serrations almost immediately. I think our own Dave Bowen has that one nowadays!
My second OHT I decided to keep the serrations, and I have to say I was pretty impressed by them, and after a little bit of use, the serrations near the tip made a heck of a lot more sense than at the base. Having graduated from tactical knife combo edges I wasn't certain about it, but let's face it, if Victorinox does something, there's a good reason for it!
Def
My first OHT went to my boy. My second edc OHT (new model) I screwed up while taking advice from someone about sharpening serrations instead of doing it like I always had. :o
It was so out of whack I had no choice but to take the serrations off and now I miss them. :cry:
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Having graduated from tactical knife combo edges I wasn't certain about it, but let's face it, if Victorinox does something, there's a good reason for it!
Def
Def, since you have such a detailed knowledge of SAKs maybe you could answer the following:
Was OHT a pre-existing Vic model that they sold to the German Army with new scales as the OH-GAK?
Or, did Vic design the OH-GAK specifically to Bundswehr specifications, then produce OHT as a civilian version?
If the latter is true, then it's possible that the German Army came up with the concept of the unusual blade found on the OH-GAK.
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Yes, no, maybe and twice! :D
http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=133&Itemid=35
The Trekker/Trailmaster was around first, but it didn't have the OH blade. The OH blade design was developed in response to the German army contract, and added to the existing Trekker design. They used OD green scales for the military variant, without toothpick and tweezers, but kept them in the black scaled civilian variant.
As far as I know (and this is speculation only) the German military wanted a serrated or partly serrated blade, but I don't think there were any requirements regarding their placement.
Def
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As far as I know (and this is speculation only) the German military wanted a serrated or partly serrated blade, but I don't think there were any requirements regarding their placement.
Def
Thanks Def.
Seems likely that the Bundeswehr demanded that Vic develop a new blade style and Vic came up with something they might never have developed if left to their own devices.
The OHT blade just seems to be such a radical departure from Vic's previous blades...
Vic seems to rarely go with new, radical ideas - they seem to prefer a glacially slow evolutionary refinement of their existing models.
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Yes indeed Def I do have your OHT, only one I got too. Just got done bragging about it to a couple people :pok: Thanks as always buddy.
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No problem Dave- keep it safe! It was the start of an era for me, and I may come looking for it someday! :D
RZ- it's very possible. Victorinox doesn't do anything without several decades of careful planning, or a giant kick in the bottom like a military contract. As far as aI know, they took over the whole GAK contract, while they only had a small fraction of it previously. See this article (http://www.sosakonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=35) on SOSAKOnline from way back to see how many contractors there were previously.
Def