Post by: kaput on January 19, 2017, 06:41:09 AM
Baton q1-2-3-4 video starts about 5:30 in.
https://youtu.be/ZpnpVzRQ7F0
Post by: kaput on January 19, 2017, 06:47:14 AM
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Post by: kaput on January 19, 2017, 06:55:04 AM
Post by: kaput on January 19, 2017, 07:00:09 AM
Post by: Padre on January 19, 2017, 08:22:34 AM
Q1 is pretty big for an pen, opener, scissors, just compare to Manager for example.
Q2 is cute with knife and light... but I tend to avoid tools with electronics in them...
Post by: Gareth on January 19, 2017, 12:19:19 PM
All that said I think of the new SOG offerings I'm more inclined towards the Sync 1. I've become a fan of compact pliers and these look to be a good size for my taste. :tu:
Post by: Corwyn on January 19, 2017, 12:40:17 PM
Now question remains about quality... they did seem a bit flimsy and the tools hard to reach...
Post by: metasyntax on January 19, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
I'm impressed by the ingenuity and ability to think outside the box while keeping allot of the needed tools most of us EDC for fun/necessity available in these slim form factor tools. I'm definitely going to keep up to date with these and be eager to try them out when released. To me these definitely have the cool wow factor and designed beautifully. They look like they will be fantastic for small light duty usage and fun to carry.
These look totally sweet. Seeing them in action (vs. the catalog pictures) really helps.
I think these are pretty cool IF (and that's a big IF) the quality is there. I like the hand filling scissors on the Q1, I like the fact it's a AAA light on the Q2, I like the idea of a ratchet screwdriver on the Q4.
Very true. SOG's designs have been really cool the last couple years, but complaints about quality have kept me away.
Post by: Etherealicer on January 19, 2017, 05:13:13 PM
I think these are pretty cool IF (and that's a big IF) the quality is there. I like the hand filling scissors on the Q1, I like the fact it's a AAA light on the Q2, I like the idea of a ratchet screwdriver on the Q4.Yeah, Sync 1 FTW.
All that said I think of the new SOG offerings I'm more inclined towards the Sync 1. I've become a fan of compact pliers and these look to be a good size for my taste. :tu:
But I have to say after watching the video, I really want those batons.
Post by: Ombudsman on January 19, 2017, 06:49:35 PM
I'm impressed by the ingenuity and ability to think outside the box while keeping allot of the needed tools most of us EDC for fun/necessity available in these slim form factor tools. I'm definitely going to keep up to date with these and be eager to try them out when released. To me these definitely have the cool wow factor and designed beautifully. They look like they will be fantastic for small light duty usage and fun to carry.
Aren't those Baton tools just better copies of a generic multitool like the Benchmark Pocket Multitool shown previously by Chako (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,69272.msg1376830.html#msg1376830) ?
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_2330small_zpsesujai3n.jpg)
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r207/Chako_photo/Chako_photo004/IMG_2334small_zpsozshljpt.jpg)
Post by: Gareth on January 19, 2017, 08:40:08 PM
(http://cdn3.volusion.com/pqnxm.yuduw/v/vspfiles/photos/CNS-Scissors-2.jpg?1378660200)
I'm not so worried about originality myself, but the quality is in question. It's a shame that's even a concern, I used to have a PPP and, while I think it had it's problems, the quality wasn't one of them.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on January 19, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
Post by: Ombudsman on January 20, 2017, 06:20:36 PM
I guess you're right. Same idea as this type of folding scissor as well.
(http://cdn3.volusion.com/pqnxm.yuduw/v/vspfiles/photos/CNS-Scissors-2.jpg?1378660200)
I'm not so worried about originality myself, but the quality is in question. It's a shame that's even a concern, I used to have a PPP and, while I think it had it's problems, the quality wasn't one of them.
You're right Gareth ! :D
Instead of "Baton" they should have call them "Slip-N-Pinch" :rofl:
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 22, 2017, 08:03:37 AM
Baton 2: $49
Baton 3: $69
Baton 4: $79
"Pretty affordable". :think:
Yeah, no thanks. Cool designs and all, but they're way too overpriced.
Post by: rdub934 on January 22, 2017, 06:14:44 PM
Baton 1: $39
Baton 2: $49
Baton 3: $69
Baton 4: $79
"Pretty affordable". :think:
Yeah, no thanks. Cool designs and all, but they're way too overpriced.
I agree. My thoughts, that nobody asked for:
Subtract $20 from that msrp and Baton 1 would sell well.
For $50, Baton 2 better have a damn nice blade and a multi-mode torch - high, low, and strobe being my first thoughts. And it would need to have as high a lumen count as possible, but at least 200 lumens. Actually, that sounds amazing. But looking at that blade and light-output I'm thinking $30-35.
Baton 3 and 4 could pass as a Juice competitor so I think they could sell for $40-50. Maybe that seems low, but two things bother me with these two. 1) All the tools are short - at least the Juice has a long-ish blade, saw, file, scissors. 2) I don't think these larger batons are nearly as carry friendly as even the massive Juice XE6
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 23, 2017, 01:43:01 PM
Those are MSRP, which as we all know is nowhere near street price on these kinds of things. The Juice S2 (http://www.leatherman.com/juice-s2-363.html?dwvar_363_color=88#start=25) has an MSRP of $65 to $69 depending on color. If you want to compare them by price then you need to compare street price to street price, not street price to MSRP. You can't say that the Baton at $69 is more expensive than the Juice at $40-50 because that's the going rate on them. As they are evenly matched on MSRP, there's a good chance they will be evenly matched on street price as well, and possibly better as SOG doesn't have or enforce a MAP policy like Leatherman does- or at least, not one that I know of.
Def
Post by: metasyntax on January 23, 2017, 02:00:42 PM
Model - MSRP - Knife Center
Q1 - $54 - $39.95
Q2 - $67 - $49.95
Q3 - $94 - $69.95
Q4 - $120 - $89.95
Post by: ReamerPunch on January 23, 2017, 02:55:46 PM
Those prices aren't MSRP, they're Knife Center's preorder prices. https://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?usrsearch=sog%20baton
Model - MSRP - Knife Center
Q1 - $54 - $39.95
Q2 - $67 - $49.95
Q3 - $94 - $69.95
Q4 - $120 - $89.95
:o
Post by: Padre on January 23, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
They invented opening knives (usually folders like Opinels, SAKs, LMs, Spydercos and so on), TO MAKE THE KNIFE SHORTER.
This tool just cannot handle folding, so basically its a fixed MT. I think this is just a step back to carry sheathed knife.
Sure in some places object shaped like this can be easier to carry around, but for me its not. How are you supposed to be carrying Q4?
Sure Q1 is much smaller, closer to marker. But still. You know that they make really SHORT and powerful flashlights nowadays too, so are even telescopic, just like this MT series should.
To make the tool easier to carry, it should be telescopic, and thats not the case (and how that would even work?). I see that if I would carry a tool like Q3 in my pocket, I would carry it opened.
>:D
:facepalm:
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on January 23, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
Those prices aren't MSRP, they're Knife Center's preorder prices. https://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?usrsearch=sog%20baton
Model - MSRP - Knife Center
Q1 - $54 - $39.95
Q2 - $67 - $49.95
Q3 - $94 - $69.95
Q4 - $120 - $89.95
Ok, that's a bit different. :ahhh
Def
Post by: kaput on January 23, 2017, 08:57:09 PM
Tell me guys... I mean Q series doesn't appeal to me at all.First off. Fantastic mustache.
They invented opening knives (usually folders like Opinels, SAKs, LMs, Spydercos and so on), TO MAKE THE KNIFE SHORTER.
This tool just cannot handle folding, so basically its a fixed MT. I think this is just a step back to carry sheathed knife.
Sure in some places object shaped like this can be easier to carry around, but for me its not. How are you supposed to be carrying Q4?
Sure Q1 is much smaller, closer to marker. But still. You know that they make really SHORT and powerful flashlights nowadays too, so are even telescopic, just like this MT series should.
To make the tool easier to carry, it should be telescopic, and thats not the case (and how that would even work?). I see that if I would carry a tool like Q3 in my pocket, I would carry it opened.
>:D
:facepalm:
Second. The shape is different which SOG doesn't seem to be afraid of or shy away from. With most all their tools being different style or shapes from each other. And then this year also making the belt buckle version.
But you said it. It will fit some places or carries actually better than a thicker wider heavier multitool. This would fit my tool roll or outside toolbag pockets ideally.
I think it's cool and fun and hopefully top quality (especially for the price points being in the higher end) I think they had good vision on these.
Third, great great mustache Padre!
Post by: kaput on June 01, 2017, 04:50:55 AM
Post by: King_Gorilla on June 02, 2017, 11:13:06 PM
It just seems like they are wasting a lot of space. Ombudsman put a picture of that Benchmark tool and I know that Olympia tool also made those old "pen multi tools" that were pretty bad. But these new SOG batons look like they might be worse. :ahhh
I HOPE that I am wrong, but the Q3 looks like one of those old "pen multi tools" with thick plastic handle scales. I want to applaud SOG for being different but the Q3 is the only one that doesn't look like it is suffering from a serious lack of tools.
So big and thick and yet so few tools. :-[
And, Does anyone know if the Q2 legally qualifies as a fixed blade? because if it does I would bet that in CA you can't carry it in your pocket. ???
Post by: ThePeacent on June 15, 2017, 09:47:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaQFP9p4OMg
Post by: kaput on July 09, 2017, 07:19:23 PM
Post by: plaguem on July 12, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Newbie here. I registered as a member but never posted anything. I made youtube videos on the Q1 and Q2 and I've been looking for ways to goose the views (full disclosure!).
Anyway the videos I made are quite in depth i think. But honestly any feedback would be welcomed.
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Post by: kaput on July 18, 2017, 12:55:23 AM
Now bring on the q3 and q4!!!
Post by: plaguem on July 23, 2017, 06:11:34 PM
Well well, excellent review and a great first post! You should be active on this forum, your review was very well done indeed and very helpful to one interested in the tool!! :salute: :tu:
Now bring on the q3 and q4!!!
Thank you kindly for saying so! I'm looking forward to the q3 and q4 too! Racheting...
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Post by: zoidberg on July 23, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
Hi guys,
Newbie here. I registered as a member but never posted anything. I made youtube videos on the Q1 and Q2 and I've been looking for ways to goose the views (full disclosure!).
Anyway the videos I made are quite in depth i think. But honestly any feedback would be welcomed.
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Sorry to have to remove your videos, but they are in violation of our forum policies on advertising.
As this is a privately owned and members funded forum we can't allow you to advertise for free here.
We have members here paying for the privilege to advertise and allowing you to do so for free wouldn't be fair to them.
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Nice to have you with us and you can enjoy the forum and take part in the discussions, but don't advertise anymore until you've made arrangements to do.
Post by: plaguem on July 24, 2017, 02:31:47 AM
Hi guys,
Newbie here. I registered as a member but never posted anything. I made youtube videos on the Q1 and Q2 and I've been looking for ways to goose the views (full disclosure!).
Anyway the videos I made are quite in depth i think. But honestly any feedback would be welcomed.
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Sorry to have to remove your videos, but they are in violation of our forum policies on advertising.
As this is a privately owned and members funded forum we can't allow you to advertise for free here.
We have members here paying for the privilege to advertise and allowing you to do so for free wouldn't be fair to them.
If you have any questions or would like arrange options for advertising, please contact Grant Lamontagne, the site owner via email.
Nice to have you with us and you can enjoy the forum and take part in the discussions, but don't advertise anymore until you've made arrangements to do.
My apologies sir. I wasn't aware of this. Noted and it will not repeated.
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Post by: kaput on July 24, 2017, 03:31:39 AM
Post by: zoidberg on July 24, 2017, 06:59:18 AM
My apologies sir. I wasn't aware of this. Noted and it will not repeated.
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No problem mate. Bit of shame really because your reviews are good. Maybe think about doing a non shop affiliated channel.
That or have a chat with Grant and work out a deal re advertising here.
Post by: Etherealicer on July 26, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
Post by: kaput on July 26, 2017, 04:28:10 PM
I handled the Q1 last weekend... I have to say the first impression was better than expected. Now I'm really looking forward to Q4The whole bit kit and holder for them is a nice touch and companion. Looks cool
Post by: Etherealicer on July 27, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Yeah, the elongated shape is excellent for carrying, much better than bulky/boxy.I handled the Q1 last weekend... I have to say the first impression was better than expected. Now I'm really looking forward to Q4The whole bit kit and holder for them is a nice touch and companion. Looks cool
Post by: plaguem on July 30, 2017, 02:01:56 PM
My apologies sir. I wasn't aware of this. Noted and it will not repeated.
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No problem mate. Bit of shame really because your reviews are good. Maybe think about doing a non shop affiliated channel.
That or have a chat with Grant and work out a deal re advertising here.
I'm actually trying to pivot away from a pure ecommerce model and get more revenue off YouTube. But that's besides the point I get it.
Maybe a non shop channel! Maybe maybe.
Post by: kaput on July 30, 2017, 05:00:54 PM
Post by: kaput on August 08, 2017, 02:36:52 AM
Post by: captain spaulding on August 08, 2017, 04:46:40 AM
Post by: Zephon on August 08, 2017, 06:09:47 AM
Today the 4 series was announced to be available now. I'd like to here some reviews from some qualified folks here :pok: who's game for a new toy?! :whistle:
I guess that's my biggest worry -- they might just end up being toys and nothing more. For the Q1 I don't see myself replacing my Micra + a pen for it. Or my Midnight Manager. For Q2 umm...well, for that price I can get an MP400 + penlight.
Q3 looks interesting and I'll buy one but only if it's half its listed price. Power Access looks like a better for a pair of pliers.
Q4 well....can I just get a Power Grab for the same price?
Post by: Smashie on September 04, 2017, 11:42:45 PM
The Batons don't look as unwieldy as I though they would (unlike the Sync 2, which looks even worse than I thought), and good to see the AAA battery and off the shelf ink cartridges being used. Hellishly expensive for what you get though. To me they look like £5 to £15 petrol station impulse buys, not £50 - £80 premium tools. :ahhh
Ahem, you were a bit out on the price mate :twak: https://www.heinnie.com/sog-baton-q4 :ahhh
Post by: Padre on September 05, 2017, 12:09:09 PM
I could get my hands on them pretty "cheaply", but getting the dimensions would be nice. They look quite large in the pictures on SOG website.
Post by: AimlessWanderer on September 06, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
The Batons don't look as unwieldy as I though they would (unlike the Sync 2, which looks even worse than I thought), and good to see the AAA battery and off the shelf ink cartridges being used. Hellishly expensive for what you get though. To me they look like £5 to £15 petrol station impulse buys, not £50 - £80 premium tools. :ahhh
Ahem, you were a bit out on the price mate :twak: https://www.heinnie.com/sog-baton-q4 :ahhh
:facepalm:
Post by: ironraven on September 09, 2017, 04:03:51 PM
The line between the two was quite a bit lower than that price.
Post by: kaput on September 09, 2017, 07:10:52 PM
https://www.bladehq.com/?search=Baton+q
Post by: kaput on September 18, 2017, 06:19:30 PM
Post by: kaput on December 06, 2017, 01:30:11 AM
Still think the 3 & 4 look interesting. Anyone here own one of the two? :whistle:Funny you should ask, kaput. Because I do :facepalm:
Full review later, after it gets some use.
Post by: King_Gorilla on December 06, 2017, 05:59:19 PM
Good choice.
I have had mostly negative things to say about these baton things but I handled them when I was in vegas recently and I would say that I would certainly buy the Q3 before any of the other models.
It's the only one that seems to have enough tools to justify a purchase.
Post by: kaput on December 07, 2017, 02:03:19 AM
:) OOOOO :tu:I agree. The 3 seems to be the most comparable model to what most of us already consider a (plier based) "multitool". The 1 & 2 are silly. And the 4 you basically need to carry a bit kit with it.
Good choice.
I have had mostly negative things to say about these baton things but I handled them when I was in vegas recently and I would say that I would certainly buy the Q3 before any of the other models.
It's the only one that seems to have enough tools to justify a purchase.
It definitley has its negatives, mainly the build quality. But I'll give a good test before a final judgement.
Post by: King_Gorilla on December 08, 2017, 12:22:07 AM
I agree. The 3 seems to be the most comparable model to what most of us already consider a (plier based) "multitool". The 1 & 2 are silly. And the 4 you basically need to carry a bit kit with it.
It definitley has its negatives, mainly the build quality. But I'll give a good test before a final judgement.
I love the colors and the attempt at innovation. I just don't see why the Q4 (and the Q3) is so thick. I feel like they could have the same tools on a similar design and shave a millimeter off each side. (at least)
Post by: kaput on December 08, 2017, 04:50:59 AM
Once again. I agree fully. Seems like a long design would feel smaller, it dosent. You're right, it seems like it could have been made allot smaller.
I agree. The 3 seems to be the most comparable model to what most of us already consider a (plier based) "multitool". The 1 & 2 are silly. And the 4 you basically need to carry a bit kit with it.
It definitley has its negatives, mainly the build quality. But I'll give a good test before a final judgement.
I love the colors and the attempt at innovation. I just don't see why the Q4 (and the Q3) is so thick. I feel like they could have the same tools on a similar design and shave a millimeter off each side. (at least)