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Tool Talk => General Tool Discussion => Topic started by: J-sews on September 10, 2006, 12:20:34 AM
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Have you guys read about this notion of customizing Sawzall blades to fit onto a Leatherman Charge? It works great!!
I bought several types of blades, then contoured the shanks to fit into the lanyard ring receptacle. The blade lock mechanism works to lock the saw blade into place. Very little wobble or movement. Hardly noticable.
When I first read about this in another forum, I thought maybe the little tab on the saw blade would be too weak and break. But no, it feels strong enough. I need to do more test cutting, but no problems so far.
The wood saw that comes on a Charge isn't bad, but there is no way to cut metal except with the edge of the file. I'm thinking one of my flat hacksaw blades tucked into the sheath will work much better!
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(Def, this is that secret project I was working on. I'll throw a set into the package I'm sending you.)
~Bob
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SWEET!
That looks really cool! I saw that on the "other" forum as well and wondered how it worked. I guess now I'll find out for sure!
Def
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Update:
Did some test sawing today. A rusty nail on the back gate has been ripping holes in my jeans for years. Not anymore. I used the white blade (Milwaukee brand, 24tpi) shown above. No problems. Attachment to Charge felt very secure.
Minor issue: I need to make the blades about 1/4" shorter. At their current 4 inches long, the end hangs out when I slip it in behind the bit kit in my sheath.
Back in the garage, I put a 3/8" bolt in the vise and proceeded to make it shorter. Took awhile to cut through, but eventually made it. Not as quick as a full size hand hacksaw, although I didn't expect it to be.
So far, so good.
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Cool I am gonna have to try that.
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How much conturing of the shanks does it take to fit them in the receptacle?
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Now that is a really good idea ;D
Dunc
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How much conturing of the shanks does it take to fit them in the receptacle?
Unfortunately, it takes a bunch of contouring. Where I first read about the idea, some guy traced the shape onto a Sawzall blade and contoured it with a Dremel. Sounds like a lot of work, with a lot of opportunity for error. Fortunately, I happen to know someone who works at a machine shop. ;D So instead of a Dremel, I used one of these:
http://www.mazakusa.com/processpage.asp?lngProcessID=7
It takes less than three minutes to contour the end, and every one is perfect.
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Anybody else wanna try one of these? I've got a few extra of the Milwaukee blades. (white blade in the picture, metal-cutting blade, 24 teeth per inch)
I have absolutely no interest in selling these. But, I can make them pretty easy, and most people can't. So if you're a Multitool.org member, I'll send you one for free. Only condition is, you come back here and tell us what you cut through. And tell us (good or bad) how well it worked.
~Bob
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Thats really cool. I'd love to try one out.
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PM sent, it will be in the mail tomorrow.
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Thanks, I can't wait to try it out. 8)
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Any chance I can get a link for some info on how to make these? Sounds like fun!
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Hi 665ae,
Here is where I first read about this idea:
http://www.equipped.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=survival&Number=36164&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1
But I'm not steady enough with a Dremel tool like he used. A CNC milling machine works a lot better, but not everyone has one of those in their garage.
PM me with your address and I'll send you one of mine.
~Bob
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Anybody else wanna try one of these? I've got a few extra of the Milwaukee blades. (white blade in the picture, metal-cutting blade, 24 teeth per inch)
I have absolutely no interest in selling these. But, I can make them pretty easy, and most people can't. So if you're a Multitool.org member, I'll send you one for free. Only condition is, you come back here and tell us what you cut through. And tell us (good or bad) how well it worked.
~Bob
Nice of you to offer! :) PM inbound. ;D
G.
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Update:
Thank you to everyone who has contacted me. So far I've got blades going out in four pieces of outbound mail, and am looking forward to hearing some feedback!
Be aware:
Only four current Leatherman models have this same lanyard ring/belt clip receptacle; Charge Ti, Charge XTi, New Wave, and Surge.
Bad news:
The saw blade idea will NOT work in my Surge. :( It has a little cast rounded D-shape component at the end of the handle, which is only held in place with the one screw. During sawing motion, the Sawzall blade overpowers this one screw and flops around uncontrollably.
Good News:
The saw blades are held quite securely in place on both Charge models I own, because of their one-piece titanium side plates. :)
Unknown:
I don't have a New Wave to test out. ??? However, I'm hoping JoeBW or Ice Tigre can let us know how it works in their Waves.
~Bob
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Thanks Again Bob!
I'll definetaly let you guys know how it works! I've got a couple ideas for mods to the tool itself to fix the (if it doesn't work) problem, but I'll have to wait and see it first .
Later
Gary.
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I recieved a modified sawzall blade from J-sews today and imediately tested it out. First the blade fits securely in the pocket clip attachment of the Charge with very little wobble, less wobble than the blade adapter of the Surge if you believe it. I used the blade to cut through two nails with no problem at all. Then I fixed a metal strip that had come up on my porch. I cut the end off and then filed it down with the diamond file. Fixed! now I don't have to listen to my wife nag any more. :P In the nice letter sent from J-sews he said he didn't think the blade would fit in the New Wave. I dug out mine and tried it out and was surprised to find that the blade while a little harder to get in the PC attachment fit in and had absolutely no wobble what so ever. It was as solid as a rock. Thanks J-sews
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You're welcome prime77, glad it's working for you. I'm also glad to hear that the blade fit and worked in your Wave. (I had my doubts, but wasn't sure.)
BTW, I was contacted by someone direct from Leatherman today, who had read this thread, and was asking for more details and a sample. I was happy to oblige.
Welcome to Multitool.org Leatherman!
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Leatherman might not be the only company keeping an eye on what we are building here... ;)
Glad to see that they are interested in your saws though. I think it would be really awesome if Leatherman started production on them!
Def
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I think that it would be great if leatherman started production of them also. I used the one J-sews sent me some more today with the Wave and it worked great. It works just as good if not better than the Surge blade adapter. The Surge outer handles tend to hurt your hands the way the plier handles of the Pst did. But the Charge outer handles didn't bother me at all.
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I tried to make some wood saw blades today with a dremel. You would have to be extremely good with one to get the right contour of the blade attachment to fit the charge and wave tools.
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Well the good news is that the LM agent that contacted Bob used to be the assistant of someone at LM named Tim...
Def
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Awesome idea.
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Well the good news is that the LM agent that contacted Bob used to be the assistant of someone at LM named Tim...
Def
I'm just happy to know that representatives from Leatherman (and apparently other manufacturers) are visiting this site. No matter what your favorite tool is, there will always be room for improvement. I'm hoping if the right people are reading our complaints/praise/suggestions, perhaps some real improvements will come of it.
~Bob
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I couldn't agree more Bob. Let's hope that as we build and get off the ground that they will take greater and greater interest in us. I'm just amazed that we've had such a response from them already!
Def
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Hey I new to this forum(linked from edc) and like what I see. I also saw the saw mod on another site and made one w/ a dremel. Works pretty good but yours looks fantastic. I guess the right tools make the difference. I'm planning on taking a tour of the Leatherman factory in the next couple of weeks. If you want, I could bring a copy of your saw mod.
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Just sent you a pm j-sews could really use a metal saw on my Charge.
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Hey I new to this forum(linked from edc) and like what I see. I also saw the saw mod on another site and made one w/ a dremel. Works pretty good but yours looks fantastic. I guess the right tools make the difference. I'm planning on taking a tour of the Leatherman factory in the next couple of weeks. If you want, I could bring a copy of your saw mod.
Welcome to Multitool.org sadkomodo!
A tour of the Leatherman factory? Wow, you are too lucky!! I'm jealous.
Thanks for your offer on showing them a copy of the saw mod, but I would prefer to continue dealing with the contact I have already established. If you'd like to try one out though, just PM me with your address and I'll send you one.
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Just sent you a pm j-sews could really use a metal saw on my Charge.
Wow, I just read your PM. Sounds like you coulda used one of these a few days ago!
It will be in tomorrow's mail!
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Thanks a lot J-sews!
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No I used the T-shank wood blade for the Surge. I was just compairing the handling of the Surge to the Charge with your blade. Believe it or not I ran out of metal things to cut around the house. It sure would be nice to have an extra long wood saw for my beloved charge though ;)
I see from the picture you posted elsewhere that you have one of the first batch of metal-saws I made, which were almost 4-1/2" long. Initial feedback I got said that the blades should be shorter, to fit in the sheath better. So, I made the second batch of blades 4" long.
How long do you think a wood-saw blade should be?
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I think that the charge and wave already have good wood saw blades. I just thought it wood be cool to have a longer one for it also. But I see the practical reasons for making the blades short enough to fit in the sheaths.
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Y'know, it seems like everything in life is a trade-off. I guess saw blades are no exception.
If you go back to the picture at the very beginning of this thread, you'll see a 4-1/2" long wood saw blade. It's the only one I've made so far. I sent it off to Def over a week ago, but I haven't heard that he's received it yet. (I hope it's not hung up in customs or something. :-[)
Anyhow, let me know what you think about length and teeth-per-inch on a wood saw, and I'll whip one up next batch.
~Bob
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4-1/2 is may be long enough. Any longer may be overkill on a 4" long tool.
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Everything usually takes about a week to come from or go to the US from here. Plus, my mail carrier likes to skip my small street on Fridays so she can go and get drunk sooner. It was probably supposed to be here today, but I likely won't see it till Monday... assuming she doesn't skip my street again because she's hung over.
Def
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OK, I promissed I'd come back and let ya know how it works; GREAT!
I got the blade yesturday, and it works! Locks in solidly, and stays put. I cut about an inch into 3/32" 1095 (non-hardened) blade steel with it with no problems with it moving in the tool. :) :)
The lenth is good, although about an 1/8" storter might be better, as it has a tendancy of sticking me in the finger when I draw the tool. (With it in the "pocket" behind the tool in the nylon sheath.) But it might be harder to get out, if it was shorter. So its something for personal preference, as I see it.
The TPI is nice, and it works for steel, and I tried it on some brass too. But I generaly like more agressive, like, say 18 TPI. But I don't know how easy it would be to use in that short of a stroke. Again, something up to preference.
The important point is, that it works in the new Wave.
I picked up a 12" 18 TPI "bi-metal with cobalt" blade...... I'm going to try cutting a couple from it, now that I have the one for a pattern. One of those carbie grit blades(Remgrit) might be nice to try too.
Thanks again for sending it! its a realy nice adition to my EDC.
Gary
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I'm glad it's working for you Ice Tigre. Let us know how the 18 tpi blade works, as I have not tried any of those yet.
Regarding the Rem-grit blade, I've only made one of those. (See picture at beginning of this thread.) I sent it off to Def for testing without trying it myself. I'm hoping his mail carrier recovers from her hangover on Monday morning and delivers it to the right address! :D
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I do manage to get mail some Mondays... I wish I had the kind of job where I could only do what I feel like doing and have the union insist on regular and frequent pay raises...
Def
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Thanks J-sews just received the saw cant wait to try it.
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Just found this topic and those saw attachments look awesome. I sent you a PM J-Sews seeking a blade or two..that is if I did it right :) You are dealing with a newbie here on forums.
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Greetings Cacherx4, it's always good to hear from a fellow Michigander! :)
(reply sent)
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I received my blade in the mail today and went right outside to try it out. First impressions were good, it fit snuggly into the lanyard ring/belt clip receptacle with no wobble. I tried to cut some metal fencing about 2" diameter but found it difficult due to the short blade size. This really isn't an issue to me since this type of tool isn't meant to do that IMO!! Next I cut some rusty nails off the garden fence posts...worked GREAT, I also used it to cut some aluminum flashing that was hanging out of my side porch step, I found out on the front porch step it was easier to just score it with my knife and bend it apart than use a sawzall balde :-\ My mistake. Then it was into the garage to cut a 60D galvanized nail in the vise just because I could ;D went thru like a hot knife thru butter once again with no blade wobble.This is definetly a great add-on and I am glad J-Sews has so generously offered some to try out. Thanks alot!!!
Jim
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Thanks for the feedback Jim!
UPDATE:
So far I've sent blades out to 12 different members, with good results. It appears clear now that the saws work well in New Wave models, so I guess I should have titled this thread "Wave/Charge Saws." The first ones sent out measured from 4-1/4" to 4-1/2" long, but feedback I got suggested a shorter length to keep the blade ends from sticking out of the sheath while carried. Second batch of blades onward have been 4" long. All of the blades sent out before this week have been fine-cut 24 teeth-per-inch. Cacherx4 got a medium-cut 18 tpi, which sounds like it worked well for him. Contact me if you'd like to try one of these.
In addition to those sent to MT.org members, I sent one sample blade to Leatherman Tool Group per their request. It was received last week, and is "being evaluated by their design engineers." I'll keep you folks advised when I hear more.
~Bob
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J-sews finally got a chance to put it on my Charge. A miniscule wobble side to side due to the thickness of the saw, however; up and down is perfectly solid, an excellent design on your part. It's part of my animal rescue gear now I'm not going to waste it on ordinary chores so I'll let you know how it performs on the next rescue I need it. Thanks again.
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Thanks to CacherX4, I've got a couple more of these to give away. They are the Piranha 18 tpi blades that were pictured a bit earlier in this thread. Thanks Jim!
Anybody interested?
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Oh, Oh, can I get one :) LOL No problem, thank YOU!!!
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I made up another batch of these yesterday. Lenox brand, 18 teeth per inch. Anybody want one that missed out earlier?
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Those are pretty cool! One of these days I am going to have to get a Charge to try them out!
Def
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Welcome to the forum Flash!
Always nice to have a Blue Liner here!
Def
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What a cool idea!
to bad i,ll have to get a charge first!
more money ::) :grin:
could you do something similar for any of the swisstools?
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The reason why this can be done so relatively easily for the LM charge is that the tool has a slot to fit in the removable lanyard, pocket clip. Bob has altered the saw ends to be able to clip into that slot.
Very clever, and very useful indeed.
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PM sent Flash, check your messages.
...and welcome! :)
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Hello all, its my first post so i just want to say what a great forum, looks like i will learn a lot here. I got linked to this thread by j-sews on knife forums after i posted about having seen this mod somewhere but not being able to find it. Are you still able to make these mate? If so i would like several, i can paypal or bank transfer you the costs and postage.
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I don't know if he's still making them or not- it was kind of a fun thing to see if it worked as far as I remembered. I believe Leatherman was looking at these for possible production, but we haven't heard anything lately about that.
If he can't help you, let me know and I'll send you one that he sent me for evaluation initially.
Welcome to Multitool.org!
Def
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Howdy bingobadgo, glad to see you made it here!
I've got a few folks waiting for the next batch, which should be complete in the next day or two. Send me a Private Message with your address, and I'll send you a blade for testing.
Bob
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Will this work on Wave? Thank you.
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They work in the new Wave, but not the old ones.
Def
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Anybody else wanna try one of these? I've got a few extra of the Milwaukee blades. (white blade in the picture, metal-cutting blade, 24 teeth per inch)
I have absolutely no interest in selling these. But, I can make them pretty easy, and most people can't. So if you're a Multitool.org member, I'll send you one for free. Only condition is, you come back here and tell us what you cut through. And tell us (good or bad) how well it worked.
~Bob
hey are these still availeable?id be very intrested to try one if its possible anymore.
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Will they work on the "25th Anniversary" Wave?
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Hi there,
I'm new to the site and live in the UK. As a engineer i use my leatherman charge all the time and it would be great to have one of these blades. Do you have any left? I'm willing to pay for them along with postage. :drool:
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Welcome to the forum mate :)
Always good to have another Brit along :)
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Thanks for the welcome mate :)
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Welcome to the forum cj1984 :salute:
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Patience folks- we will have a new run of these made available soon. :D
Def
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All this time and I never saw this thread :ahhh Bob is a very talented man and those blades look very great ;)
Wish I could make them :think: How does he do it :D
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Magic gnomes toiling deep inside the Earth's Core. They trade their wares for the odd virgin or fresh meat.
Def
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Patience folks- we will have a new run of these made available soon. :D
Def
I may have reminded him ::) Plus this thread came back from the dead :cheers: coincidence maybe or maybe not ??? ;) :D CAn't wait to cut something up :drool: :D
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Did anyone ever hear from LM about the blades ??? Looks like they would have said something by now :(
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It's interesting- I get contacted every now and then from someone who has spotted the pics online somewhere, read about them here or on another forum, had it pop up on Google, or found the video I posted on YouTube. Folks seem to want these, so we are working on a way to provide them to people.
Def
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I am sure they would go very quickly :) Such an interesting yet simple design :cheers: but harder to duplicate without machinist tools ::) :D Wonder why LM hasn't ever wrote back though ??? Still on the back burner somewhere collecting dust no doubt :( Till 1 day somebody walks by and says hey thats neat then maybe well see some results ;) :D
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This is a pretty cool idea, and I would definitely be interested to find out about them as well. I skimmed the thread yesterday when it was resurrected, but haven't had a chance to really look at much of anything. This was one of the reasons I wanted to pick up a Surge, really...replaceable saw blades (metal and wood...makes me drool quite a bit hehe). The Surge is quite large though. The Charge won out for its size, though.
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I'll be putting together a video in which I actually use all the different saw blades I have soon- once we have a quantity ready to go. I'd hate to tease you guys needlessly! :D
Def
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I'd hate to tease you guys needlessly! :D
Def
No you wouldn't. :D
Mike
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Weeelllll, no more than I absolutely have to anyway! :D
Def
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Hey Def isn't there a YouTube video which @ least shows the blades doesn't it :) I'd hate to link to someone elses video but if it's okay I'll go find it? :D
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I forgot it was MT.O video so I guess it would be Okay to link to it from here ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Se45serHM
Show how the blades work very nicely :D
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Any time you see a video with a Multitool.org Charge in it, you are more than welcome to post it! :D
Def
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Any time you see a video with a Multitool.org Charge in it, you are more than welcome to post it! :D
Def
:o ;) :D :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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Looks like I know what I'll be working on this week. :D
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Looks like I know what I'll be working on this week. :D
::) wonder what :D
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Well it got here and in one piece ;) :D Thanks Bob for the work you put into this blade :salute: It works in the Wave as good or better than the pocket clip :cheers: :cheers:
Now I just need to find something to cut :think: but what :ahhh :D
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Patience folks- we will have a new run of these made available soon. :D
Def
:o :D
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Well it got here and in one piece ;) :D Thanks Bob for the work you put into this blade :salute: It works in the Wave as good or better than the pocket clip :cheers: :cheers:
Now I just need to find something to cut :think: but what :ahhh :D
Glad it finally got there Poncho!
So, have you found any long things that need to be shorter yet? :D
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Hey nice (even nicer since you were using wacky 2006 tech when you first posted this)
Pity I don't have a Charge...
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They also fit the New Wave and Surge.
Def
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My surge only came with a built in Lanyard ring, not a quick release one.
Unless that is what the gap on the other side is for.
Maybe I should read the little instruction papers.
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My surge only came with a built in Lanyard ring, not a quick release one.
Unless that is what the gap on the other side is for.
Maybe I should read the little instruction papers.
Mine didn't come with a quick release lanyard either...
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You need to buy the LM pocket clip/removable lanyard ring.. It's not like the Charge tools, it doesn't come with them.. :(
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Well it got here and in one piece ;) :D Thanks Bob for the work you put into this blade :salute: It works in the Wave as good or better than the pocket clip :cheers: :cheers:
Now I just need to find something to cut :think: but what :ahhh :D
Glad it finally got there Poncho!
So, have you found any long things that need to be shorter yet? :D
No sorry Bob not yet ::) As soon as I do I will let you know thanks again :salute: :D
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Digging up a really old thread to say a big thank you to you Bob. I get home from work tonight to find out that there is a leak from behind my toilet. It turns out both tank bolts are rusted to the point were I can't tighten them. I can't even take them off. After fiddling with them they start to leak worse. I drain the tank and try to take the bolts off but they are to far rusted. My only option is to cut the bolts. The only metal saw I have in the house is the one for the Charge you gave me forever ago. It took some work but I cut through both bolts. Gotta got to the hardware tomorrow morning to get new bolts. Anyway big thanks Bob. :salute:
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What a great thread, can't believe I never thought of this before. I'm going to make some of these this weekend.
Very nice.
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Hey prime, glad the saw blade was able to help out! :) Are the teeth on yours getting dull at all? I've got a few leftover from the last batch, let me know if you need another. :)
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Hey prime, glad the saw blade was able to help out! :) Are the teeth on yours getting dull at all? I've got a few leftover from the last batch, let me know if you need another. :)
The teeth are a little dull but thankfully the screws on the toilet were made from brass so I was able to make my way through them with some work.
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If yo do another round of these let me know. :drool:
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Maybe someone could move this to the mod squad section so it can live on a couple of more years?
And yes, J-sews, if you make more - let me know
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Maybe someone could move this to the mod squad section so it can live on a couple of more years?
And yes, J-sews, if you make more - let me know
Since it's been in this thread since 2006, I see no point in moving it now..
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I'm guessing there was no mod section in 2006. When I got here I studied the mod section in depth, one of the first things I did was sort by most popular threads. If this had been in the mod section, I would have found it then :P
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Afaik the Mod section came in 2007 and with 21318 topics and 410173 posts here today, some gems can be found everywhere..
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Did you see the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Se45serHM
Def
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Yeah I saw that, seriously awesome and a great idea
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Stay tuned- we will soon be introducing a new line of Multitool.org Charge Toothbrushes soon!
Def
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Stay tuned- we will soon be introducing a new line of Multitool.org Charge Toothbrushes soon!
Def
Ooh, maybe an uber-rare Leatherman/Oral-B co-operation piece. :rofl:
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I actually almost posted a "show off your every day use toothbrush" thread a couple of weeks back when I got this fancy new toothbrush that vibrates. It's not an electric toothbrush as you'd think of one, it's a normal sized toothbrush with an AAA battery and small vibrator, suspension on the brush and all sorts of fancy stuff. My new razor uses a similar system.
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Did you see the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Se45serHM
Def
You realize, as being a near-n00b here, I have to (http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/Xemoticon/bump.gif) this!
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Bob and I discussed producing a number of these for sale to members, and it is indeed a possibility.
Def
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
Not meant to troll the thread, but what Dremel did you use? Seen Dremel has a lot of different models out compared to the old black one I used to have. Been considering buying a new one.
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The one I used for this was actually my wife's Black and Decker Wizard, so not a real Dremel. I'm not sure they even make it any more, came in a set with a Mouse mini sander. Not a bad one at all, variable speed and a good chuck.
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
Not meant to troll the thread, but what Dremel did you use? Seen Dremel has a lot of different models out compared to the old black one I used to have. Been considering buying a new one.
Get either the 300 or 4000. 4000 is the fancy version, get that one if you can afford it. The 300 is the "normal" one. Don't get any of the battery powered ones, the engraver, the stylus or any of that. Also get a flex shaft attachement, that is a must have on a Dremel
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Did you see the video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Se45serHM
Def
I so want a set. :2tu:
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We are working on it. Really...
Def
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Did you, or whomever makes these, create a jig to cut them out?
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Bob, aka J-Sews, aka the man whut done them, is a machinist. He magicked them up with his michinistry. :D
Def
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I would love a wood and metal or an entire set. Longer or shorter ones are fine.
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Bob, aka J-Sews, aka the man whut done them, is a machinist. He magicked them up with his michinistry. :D
Def
Think he could make an attachable awl to fit there too? That would solve a huge problem with awls on the Charge & Wave. Have an elongated thread-bore too. This way the awl can be used pushing, pulling, and moderate twisting.
The large bit driver versions are only good for twisting and pushing. Pulling the awls get pulled out of the bit driver, this useless for emergency sewing needs.
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It's been done, but damned if I can find a thread about it other than mentioning Chaka from EDCForums (not Chako) was working on selling some awls made from S30V but they got binned when his company was hit by layoffs. I *know* someone has a working example of this type of mod, but I can't find it :/
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We are working on it. Really...
Def
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You shouldn't be quite so subtle around here. I mean, I know you are trying to tell me something but I'll be damned if I know what it is....
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Oh, the (http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/Xemoticon/bump.gif)?
Posted the YouTube video on the Leatherman FB page, it drew attention. Maybe y'all will get more memberships going, for the discount. :D
Leatherman is giving away a MUT tomorrow morning for naming ideas. <-- Changed the wording.
I'm a slacker, only in that I have far less (http://www.outerzone.us/forum/images/smilies4/DollarBill.gif) than it may appear.
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I don't usually join in with Leatherman's giveaways, or anyone else's really. I would hate for anyone to think any manufacturer was officially endorsing a bunch of yahoos like us, and you know how rumors get started....
Anyways, yes, we are working on them, and as soon as I have anything to report, I will report it. Until then, I've not got a lot to say about it unfortunately. We are at the same impasse we have been at for a while on them.
Def
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I went an snipped that remark like a
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Was a bad smurf, I edited out that thing and changed message slightly more to what I was referring to. I know, am in the doghouse for doing that.
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No problem- I just like to take the opportunity every now and then to remind everyone that we are an independent organization, and because of that I don't enter contests because you never know how the masses may interpret something, regardless of how above board it may be. :D
As for re-posting our videos, pictures etc, well, they are out there on the Web, so by all means, use them wherever you like.
Def
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Say, you experts over here making and using saw attachments, have to ask: Have you ever damaged the end of your Charge/Wave/Surge by using a saw blade there?
I'm staring at the metal and looks to me the blade metal would break way before damaging the Leatherman, and that bolt that holds the drivers in is solid - never seen nor heard of anyone breaking that.
There's some debate over on the Leatherman FB page that a few are thinking making an attachment there is going to damage the tool and void the warranty.
:rofl:
Myself I would think extending the tabs just a bit longer would cause less wobble/slop, but that's just a minor observation.
Heard y'all say that Leatherman's developers were looking at them saw attachments. Did they ever comment anything about them, or anything negative? Did Leatherman make any official post saying that by using the saws or any attachment there past their accessories woudl void the warranty?
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Don't know about the warranty part :think: but my saw blade locks in very tight and allows for hardly any play at all so it doesn't seem to be affecting my Wave at all :tu:
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Couple of us have noticed a lot more play in the pocket clip and lanyard attachment on the Surge. Would that also affect using saws on the Surge, if someone wanted to go that way to avoid blade exchanger issues?
Seems the blade exchanger is a bit too thick and people have had to cut the end of a t-base off to use as a shim in order to use that as a saw attachment. Unsure of the Super Tool 300 EOD has the same issue with its blade exchanger or not. Anyone have one yet?
Wonder if by extending the tabs down another half of an inch, would that provide better stability on Surge ends?
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2nd try on a Charge saw. The 1st one wobbled too much and wasn't staying engaged. This second version was more tighter and held in better in use.
(http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/tools/th_PC0500071.jpg) (http://s850.photobucket.com/albums/ab66/Xelkos/tools/?action=view¤t=PC0500071.jpg)
Extended the bottom tab in further which kept the blade from wobbling so much during use. Also, this design also works well with the Surge, barely any wobble up and down.
Anyone have a close-up shot of theirs to compare with?
Still need to shorten it to fit in the sheath for EDC.
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Now that is a SAW 8) 8) 8).
Top stuff X :salute: :salute:
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Hoping it warms up just a tad more. Studied the thread in a more relaxed mode, and seems maybe keeping the saw blade the way J-Sews did is would be better in that the closed handle supports the saw blade from wobble.
Need to shorten this Sawsall blade anyhow (so it can fit in the sheath for EDC) and have enough Dremel sanding drums to work that shoulder curve.
Wished I could get a set, or a few, from J-Sews. :D
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Hoping it warms up just a tad more. Studied the thread in a more relaxed mode, and seems maybe keeping the saw blade the way J-Sews did is would be better in that the closed handle supports the saw blade from wobble.
Need to shorten this Sawsall blade anyhow (so it can fit in the sheath for EDC) and have enough Dremel sanding drums to work that shoulder curve.
Wished I could get a set, or a few, from J-Sews. :D
The guy can be a real scrooge, but I'll talk to him and see what he says. ;)
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J-sews may seem like a scrouge but on the inside he is a softy.:)
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I'll have a charge coming this week and I can't wait. J, any chance of any more saws being produced? It seems like a tremendous addition to the tool.
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The fiberglass wheel took a beating this morning and dern if I didn't muck it up. Now have a 3 incher sawsall, and it fit great - till I cleaned up the sharp edges. Slight amount of play, nothing major. Perhaps seeing someone else's work will give me a clue.
The very first one I did was the best, yet it was 2 inches too long. Should of just cut the other end off. :cry:
Think the problem I'm having (besides adequate lighting) is the shoulder where the blade slides under the ruler edge, that L can't get square enough and that's the wobble.
Should of done like I did last week, left this tab longer - keeping it squared & uniform.
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I'll have a charge coming this week and I can't wait. J, any chance of any more saws being produced? It seems like a tremendous addition to the tool.
Yup, I'll be making more soon :)
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I'll have a charge coming this week and I can't wait. J, any chance of any more saws being produced? It seems like a tremendous addition to the tool.
Yup, I'll be making more soon :)
!! YIPEE !!
/grovels before the Master
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Now I'm even more excited to get my Charge.
You sir, are a very generous man J.
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BOB! WOW!! Just got your saw in today and it fits like a glove. I bow to your skill superiority! (http://www.abeforum.com/images/smilies/bow.gif)
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
How did you use the Chainsaw Sharpener to cut yours, SlackOne?
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BOB! WOW!! Just got your saw in today and it fits like a glove. I bow to your skill superiority! (http://www.abeforum.com/images/smilies/bow.gif)
Glad it arrived safely James! :)
Now go try it out on something! :pok: :D
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Can't believe I didn't find this thread ealier... going to have to dig out the dremel.
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J-sews, how can I get one of these saws, to give it a try on a Wave?
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J-sews, how can I get one of these saws, to give it a try on a Wave?
I've none left right now, but I'll be making some more of them soon. :)
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I'll pationlly wait. :tu:
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
How did you use the Chainsaw Sharpener to cut yours, SlackOne?
The chainsaw sharpener was one of the Dremel grinding bits I had on hand...long and thin to get into the teeth of chainsaw blades. It just happened to also be an elegant shape to do clean up on the cuts I did with the cutting wheel.
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Getting a Surge in the new year would be happy to test it out for you :)
am always dithering about with knives cutting away unwanted things.
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Bad news:
The saw blade idea will NOT work in my Surge. :( It has a little cast rounded D-shape component at the end of the handle, which is only held in place with the one screw. During sawing motion, the Sawzall blade overpowers this one screw and flops around uncontrollably.
I beg to differ. I am working on a solution for the moving clip for the Surge and I will send you the particulars soon. I believe it can be done. If I am wrong I will admit in this forum.
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J-Sews
The blade works GREAT! Used it to cut a few knobs of metal, and even some wood. Marred up the paint so stripped it off, polished it up, and now EDCing it in the leather Charge sheath. Soon as I get over this bug am going to get some carbon sawsall and keyhole blades to hopefully whittle out to fit.
Soon as I got time to do something I got held hostage by an alien virus. Knew I should of gotten that flu shot this year... :cry:
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I made the one in my avatar a few days ago. $2 saw blade + dremel + cutting wheel + chainsaw sharpener = cheap and cheerful fun. Works pretty well, too. The solid side panels on the Charge might be sturdier in the long run than my Wave, though.
How did you use the Chainsaw Sharpener to cut yours, SlackOne?
The chainsaw sharpener was one of the Dremel grinding bits I had on hand...long and thin to get into the teeth of chainsaw blades. It just happened to also be an elegant shape to do clean up on the cuts I did with the cutting wheel.
Seen a tungsten carbide one for $14, almost got it. Need to get some more fiberglass cut-off wheels too.
<3 your blue blade. Wonder if I can find one in red? >:D
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J-Sews
The blade works GREAT! Used it to cut a few knobs of metal, and even some wood. Marred up the paint so stripped it off, polished it up, and now EDCing it in the leather Charge sheath. Soon as I get over this bug am going to get some carbon sawsall and keyhole blades to hopefully whittle out to fit.
Soon as I got time to do something I got held hostage by an alien virus. Knew I should of gotten that flu shot this year... :cry:
Good to hear its working out for you! :) (hope you're feeling better soon too) :-\
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Love this thread! Way to go Bob!
The original idea for this seems truely inspired, but it's nice to read how it came about from just a regular multitool user's needs.
Something like this could make one buy the tool just to test this great idea and to see how many more 'attachments' one could make. With the saw blade being so thin and fitting in the pouch, they are a true classic.
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J-Sews does such a wonderful job.
No way can an amateur with a Dremel match the superiority of a machine that J-Sews uses. :drool:
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The Saw blades can also be used on the Surge as the play problem is now solved:
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,25502.0.html (http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,25502.0.html)
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Would like to get a few more of these precision fitting blades. Snipped off the lanyard loop on my Charge to use the Charge Saw Blades without having to remove the pocket clip.
The only Leatherman I used the lanyard clip was on a Squirt S4 and lost it for a few days when it caught on something during a 2010 Census contact. The recluse had junk all around the house and was difficult getting to the front door. Was like a castle fortress. :o
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I have just found earlier today this topic and I really think it is a great mod! Well thought of and well executed by J-sews!
The machine you used is a manually controlled one or a CNC? I would like to add a set of saw blades to the Wave I am gonna buy soon and was thinking to ask whether you still have the file (program) if you used a CNC and would share it, 'cos I know friend who knows a friend that has access to a CNC machine ;)
Thank you!
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Sorry to bump up an older topic but are you planning on making any more of these please J-Sews?
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Have you seen Tofty's saw holder?
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=47167.0
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Have you seen Tofty's saw holder?
http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=47167.0
Yes, funnily enough after J-sews topic here and some time back I looked into making a commercial holder myself and did some designs (I'm involved with a large UK engineering company) but the tricky design, limited market size and (as can be seen by Tofty's product) cost meant it didn't get far. I like the J-Sews simplicity.
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I have had several requests recently, so yes I will make another small run. :salute: I will make a post in this thread when they are ready.
Bob :)
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Awesome, thanks Bob - not sure what blades you'll be doing but I for one will happily purchase a set of various tpi's if you make them. :salute:
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I have had several requests recently, so yes I will make another small run. :salute: I will make a post in this thread when they are ready.
Bob :)
I like the Charge-Saw too. This cut allows one to extend their handle for ease in cutting, and for longer reach, or fold up the handle if desired. :2tu:
The one on the bottom was one I had made, but the cut wasn't as exact as yours and wobbled a lot. Is great to have a precision-cut set of metal, all-purpose, and a wood saw blade. (Again, I emphasize the longer reach is desirable - least for me.)
Also had removed the annoying and hard-to-get-out lanyard loop. Can use the Charge-Saw blade while having the pocket clip still attached.
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EDC Source still selling these Charge Saws, by none other than the famous J-Sews?
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We haven't made any in years, so no, I don't imagine there are still any kicking about.
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We haven't made any in years, so no, I don't imagine there are still any kicking about.
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Rats, still have the one J-Sews made. Will have to pamper it more. :cry:
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I was thinking about this thread the other day :dd: I still have one of those saws as well :cheers: I wished LM had picked that idea up cause once they lock in they are very sturdy saws :tu:
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I still have a few and I love them. The issue was sourcing the blades at a reasonable price without buying a container load.
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Bob needs to be here some next month for the 10 year anniversary :cheers: Your gonna have to talk him into visiting us Boss :D
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Bob needs to be here some next month for the 10 year anniversary :cheers: Your gonna have to talk him into visiting us Boss :D
I'm sure we will see him sometime soon!
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Bob needs to be here some next month for the 10 year anniversary :cheers: Your gonna have to talk him into visiting us Boss :D
I'm sure we will see him sometime soon!
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Bob still stops in from time to time. I really miss having him around to fill in gaps in my knowledge. .... and those are some pretty big gaps.... :ahhh
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Bob still stops in from time to time. I really miss having him around to fill in gaps in my knowledge. .... and those are some pretty big gaps.... :ahhh
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He sure knows his MTs :o :D
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Actually if you ever sit down with him, you will find that he knows an awful lot about a lot of things- specifically manufacturing and processes which he does professionally, and Browning rifles, which he also collects.
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Actually if you ever sit down with him, you will find that he knows an awful lot about a lot of things- specifically manufacturing and processes which he does professionally, and Browning rifles, which he also collects.
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OK I want to question him more than ever now :ahhh but when it comes down to it I will probably forget what to ask :facepalm: :D
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Sorry to bump up an old topic but seemed the best place - I never did get hold of any of these saws and would *still* like to! I never heard back from Bob - is anyone else doing anything remotely similar?
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Not that I am aware of. Unfortunately I sold my last one a couple of months ago.
Getting the work done isn't a problem- sourcing decent quality blades at a reasonable price has been, unless we are willing to buy 10,000, and I don't have that kind of budget.
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Still carry that last one I got. :D
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Well, still seems like the best place to post - 2019 now and I am still wanting to get some of these.
Last time Bob replied in 2014 he planned to make more.
I have PM'd him a few times last few years but never a reply.
If he or anyone who might be able to provide a set of these saws is reading please help us all out who would like them. Happy to cover all costs of course. :)
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Bob isn't active much anymore and I don't know a direct source for anymore of these type saws but you could go to a machine shop and see if they could cut some for you :salute: take a clip or the removable lanyard with you and they could take it as a pattern to cut the blades :cheers:
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Yes, I think that might be the best option - not sure how easy it will be to find a machine shop that can mill that precisely. Bob's sure were nicely done.
I did think of an alternative yesterday with mounting in the large bit holder but that needs a hole drilled in the saw blade and none of my (reasonably quality) bits will penetrate them. Even centre punching the blade just caused the hardened metal to shatter.
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Someone with a CNC machine will be able to copy that design into nearly anything, I think :cheers:
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Thanks - I've ordered a belt clip so will see it I can get some copied and made.
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This is an alternative for a t-shank saw.
https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=78255.0
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Yes, I did see that but it seems a poor way of doing it next to J-sews profiled blades.
I just got the belt clip in the post but what saws does Bob use?
Not sure they are common in the UK where we mainly use the Bosch 't' shank blades which have a too small shank although the thickness is spot on at about 1.03 to 1.1mm. The belt clip is 1.07mm thick.
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Thanks for the link Sam :like: I haven't tried that method but it would work in a pinch :tu: member Tofty also had a saw blade exchanger made that fit in the clip slot as well, it was available on shapeways I think :think:
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Another update - I popped into our local hardwear shop and they have reciprocating saw blades that are ideal and I guess the same or similar item that Bob used. Like these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Saxton-20-Reciprocating-Sabre-Saw-Blades-Combo-Wood-Metal-fits-Bosch-Makita/273314097612?epid=9020703574&hash=item3fa2ca29cc&enc=AQADAAADAFjVrDbVsZ8oH%2F8PNHtt9VX4%2Fw7FZcmMuqsX8uaFEduVX5106tXE89mXUGGu5vnlva5nPXZbqTq471hFG9JXQVMsbfKPH7nOh2dK6z94%2B32XE7%2BnB9ZZ8gPr1%2BSZmwrdZppixmw3%2BOiT0TrZLnNRdC8SjtJfKLFa17DmWcMcWT%2FMUyngPl0L33HltJ9lS9%2FBC%2BGCjkrRgIXAvBERS7sSG%2FwrLL0LGNUn2hmN3O4QHjtTD2ULGiEALXtKP09ZFFabjR%2BqeBvUmvHZzUYA%2Fgsg7IBp0ulAK3GHSYfa2D5xR%2F7gySduy61tyI82Lm%2Bg%2BFhthRF0L32rBl9HPuNr8v4kI0ZHfzILqUtqvWkKZX48%2FiNKdbMgWrmeDSwNGEHqxGqwYvdnWOZAGXsH03%2FlvohvnBOuenvcohXsOMIBdNb9QTGxUjmoDQ3exqldOtZQ1YgRHImuwVzYy5T0d3%2BXRsDOTPM7khv9tv%2B7R7UUGAyU14Cgl8ErAxzIVVUEP%2B7LhsDYOJdMj3CGIdNYlthT%2Fn0V2h8r9SkbpokS1Z1gD5Xx61ERyiqc5emChQfby8iBRF7OeYTiqEKKg8dG%2BH7dd1Sk96bV4%2Fo%2BNxyITmF%2Bfdh7m%2BUDH4OXcbMOAYIsUfHWmyFy1BP5CwMuD9ToIGNcxKuUVzhr33UiNNTxSzWdp5v%2Ba2KC0jVSIKJy%2FOUACMMJwCjLHt9j73FJT5RG62pIvtkF7IVvQzrYqUg72FIXrM0b0W91Qp2jhVtoWvpeUQXz83%2BE%2F8ybXmYfAdF2z9aLHytq%2FY5CpxuRlsl0jZFGwOLKoXANV8mLE6cNvqtD04eXNoU5HIhHoQKWad%2FfdlRA46WNhN%2FH65BgaXGfUCTrodeVmKLGlP1L%2Fid4maieY5EAKAWdelXuYnb09p9iFvAZTfljia0b%2BMlu1cOwXqipYDkHMCGeHBs4h8KrUdNsF3XB4U1pnWNNzWIPVYRSlXcCa%2F3SYxkXpl8y%2FjIeSOaTXZi%2BDI7E5wJj4WXbyhhOH4Dq1Hc3JQ%3D%3D&checksum=273314097612d57a446dd4f141ccbc0e8322076c733f
I will look at getting some done and see how it works - might even be a commercial application here as no one else seems to be selling them but I reckon a mixed pack of say six pre cut to clip straight into a Wave might be useful?
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I just got the belt clip in the post but what saws does Bob use?
reciprocating saws
if you got a dremel have a go at cutting them yourself its pretty straight forward and cheaper.
i made a one few days ago and made a right pigs ear of it but it fits in solidly.
i used a wood saw so had to thin it to 1mm as pocket clip is tapered at top and 6mm pivot.
word of advice, leave cutting locking notch til last, get rest fitting perfectly first.
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Great advise, king :tu:
Hooe you can get some made or make your own Max :cheers:
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Thanks - I hope to start the ball rolling this week - may look at making these commercially if it works out.
In the meantime I've been grinding to replicate one of my favourite SOG tools (the EOD spike) for the large bit holder on the Wave.
I've also gone through three more brand new 8mm flat bits trying to get an awl just how I like it but ended up with more grinding dust than awl. Another three on the way and I'll try again next week!
(https://i.ibb.co/f448KLh/IMG-8549.jpg)
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Great idea with the awl and the flat bit :tu: I may try to make one of these :cheers:
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J-sews also took a spade drill bit for wood and made an awl that fit the bit holder :tu: Seems like it was either a 5/16" or 1/4" spade bit :think: and he also made a chisel bit as well :cheers:
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Yep, I definitely cannot claim originality on this! The 8mm (5/16 or slightly larger is 3/8 in the US) flat bits work great though as you only have to grind slight diagonals on the edges and they slot straight in. As a bonus if making an awl these particular ones also come pre drilled. Plus the flat section sits nicely on the grinder 'rest' so you can keep everything square and even.
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Alright...back from the dead!!!
Although I already had a jigsaw blade adapter for my Wave, I felt it made the "whole saw" extremely long and with not much cutting/teeth area; most of the blades I use are about 7cm(2 5/8") on the teeth. Looking through the archives (older posts), I found this post and thought, hmmm...it might work; a trip to the hardware store and 10 minutes later with a Dremel, I had this!
I like it because: it has a cutting area of 8.5cm (3 5/8"); it's a full one piece design (sturdier and, less finicky), it's thinner overall, and easy to carry in sheath within the bit cards( I made a paperboard slip so the teeth don't mar the plastic or get caught in the nylon). Although I loose the ability to change blades, my needs usually dictate thin wood, metal, or plastic (PVC tubing mostly) and I think it's a good tradeoff. What do you people think?!
Edit: OOOHH, THANKS TO ALL FOR THE INSPIRATION! :hatsoff:
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Thanks for reviving this Juan. One thing I wanted to try out but forgot about.
Excellent job and it appears to work great :like:
Obviously it depends on how well you can handle your dremel :D
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Great job, Juan 8) nice Dremel work and great thread necro :like:
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Thanks MTM, Poncho! :hatsoff: :cheers:
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Hello to all. Although I was happy with the saw for the Wave, I wanted something similar for my ST 300. Well...here it is!!!😁
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Very nice work with a saw blade for the ST300 :o :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
8) :like:
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Thanks, Poncho.
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