Post by: lister on November 10, 2017, 04:06:59 PM
But sometimes, as non-native user of english language, I almost miss some light grammar nazism on part of the native speakers. As it stands I have no actual feedback on the weird ways I use it. I am certain that I do, as I learned it mostly through point and click adventure computer games, being to lazy to search for subtitles for movies and listening to a truckload (well ok, ipodload actually) of audiobooks. So what I use must be a weird mix of English with some translated Slovenian language thrown in. :D
So what do the rest of non-native anglophones think of this? Do we hang out in a to nice a place to hone our language skills? :D
On the other hand, as someone said, as long as you can make yourself understood and others can understand you your language skills are sufficient. :D
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 04:20:43 PM
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
Post by: Kev D on November 10, 2017, 04:22:21 PM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 10, 2017, 04:26:13 PM
Post by: Smashie on November 10, 2017, 04:38:32 PM
Like Kev I also end up going back and editing my posts sometimes, but to be honest I pay very little attention to where in the world the poster is from. The members here who aren't native English speakers do a better job than I do in the other four languages I speak. :facepalm:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 06:03:00 PM
I have to admit though, that I care more for correct English grammar then German of French. Simply because those languages aren't mastered by me (I can explain and understand alot in these languages, writing is more difficult).
I do wonder how native English speakers feel about my English though :think:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 06:23:24 PM
I mean, look at all those puns and the wordplay, etc, in English! :o
(I get the feeling that this post is not very good, grammatically speaking. :facepalm: Can anyone chime in?)
Post by: pfrsantos on November 10, 2017, 06:29:13 PM
In your case, Lister's, pfrsantos' and many other people on this forum, for whom the first language is not English, if I didn't knew better, I would think that your first (and primary) language was English. :salute:
I mean, look at all those puns and the wordplay, etc., in English! :o
(I get the feeling that this post is not very good, grammatically speaking. :facepalm: Can anyone chime in?)
FTFY...
:salute: :tu:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
:cheers:In your case, Lister's, pfrsantos' and many other people on this forum, for whom the first language is not English, if I didn't knew better, I would think that your first (and primary) language was English. :salute:
I mean, look at all those puns and the wordplay, etc., in English! :o
(I get the feeling that this post is not very good, grammatically speaking. :facepalm: Can anyone chime in?)
FTFY...
:salute: :tu:
(Man, I really need to up my grammar game. :facepalm:
I didn't even notice those errors)
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 10, 2017, 06:59:16 PM
You write English better than I write Slovenian, and I think that goes for most of us. :P ;)+1
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
I thrown in German words to my posts every once in a while to keep things spannend.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 07:03:47 PM
Spannend is dutch...You write English better than I write Slovenian, and I think that goes for most of us.+1;)
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
I thrown in German words to my posts every once in a while to keep things spannend.
:rofl:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 07:04:42 PM
:rofl: :facepalm:Spannend is dutch...You write English better than I write Slovenian, and I think that goes for most of us.+1
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
I thrown in German words to my posts every once in a while to keep things spannend.
:rofl:
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 10, 2017, 07:17:01 PM
Spannend is dutch too...You write English better than I write Slovenian, and I think that goes for most of us.+1
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
I thrown in German words to my posts every once in a while to keep things spannend.
:rofl:
FTFY ;)
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Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
Seriously??Spannend is dutch too...You write English better than I write Slovenian, and I think that goes for most of us.+1
You also write with better grammar than lots of native English speakers I've encountered online.... :cheers:
I thrown in German words to my posts every once in a while to keep things spannend.
:rofl:
FTFY ;)
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Post by: Ron Who on November 10, 2017, 08:03:05 PM
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
In computer programming, language nazism is a must. In natural language, it´s unneccesary most of the times. As a programming polyglot I spot errors every now and again but commenting on them would spoil the fun for me and for lots of others as well. Having said that, a recurring error that I find quite amusing is Mechanickal´s use of afterworths instead of afterwards.Yeah! :D
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 08:40:11 PM
In computer programming, language nazism is a must. In natural language, it´s unneccesary most of the times. As a programming polyglot I spot errors every now and again but commenting on them would spoil the fun for me and for lots of others as well. Having said that, a recurring error that I find quite amusing is Mechanickal´s use of afterworths instead of afterwards.
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
OMFG! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I never even knew!
Why didn't you tell me? :cry:
Oh wait, you just said so...
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
Never again! Afterwards it is!
Even though my muscle memory doesn't agree..
Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 08:41:42 PM
If it makes you feel better, I've never noticed. :rofl:In computer programming, language nazism is a must. In natural language, it´s unneccesary most of the times. As a programming polyglot I spot errors every now and again but commenting on them would spoil the fun for me and for lots of others as well. Having said that, a recurring error that I find quite amusing is Mechanickal´s use of afterworths instead of afterwards.
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
OMFG! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I never even knew!
Why didn't you tell me? :cry:
Oh wait, you just said so...
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
Never again! Afterwards it is!
Even though my muscle memory doesn't agree..
I wonder what mistakes I make consistently? :think:
Post by: Ron Who on November 10, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
I´ve been waiting a long time for someone to bring up the subject. :D
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
Besides writing a post?If it makes you feel better, I've never noticed. :rofl:In computer programming, language nazism is a must. In natural language, it´s unneccesary most of the times. As a programming polyglot I spot errors every now and again but commenting on them would spoil the fun for me and for lots of others as well. Having said that, a recurring error that I find quite amusing is Mechanickal´s use of afterworths instead of afterwards.
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
OMFG! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I never even knew!
Why didn't you tell me? :cry:
Oh wait, you just said so...
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
Never again! Afterwards it is!
Even though my muscle memory doesn't agree..
I wonder what mistakes I make consistently? :think:
:rofl:
Sorry buddy, couldn't let this one pass up :whistle:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 08:51:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fswto7A.gif)
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
I´ve been waiting a long time for someone to bring up the subject. :D
Post by: Syncop8r on November 10, 2017, 09:16:04 PM
Usually it is native English-speaking people I want to correct on places like Facebook though rather than non-English speaking people here who do a pretty good job.
Things like "I should of" instead of "I should have", "opps" instead of "oops", they're their there who's whose etc.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 10, 2017, 09:20:21 PM
I want to correct things but don't want to upset anyone.
Usually it is native English-speaking people I want to correct on places like Facebook though rather than non-English speaking people here who do a pretty good job.
Things like "I should of" instead of "I should have", "opps" instead of "oops", they're their there who's whose etc.
"Live" instead of "life" :D
Post by: hiraethus on November 10, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
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I agree with Syncop8r too, but just assume they're not native english speakers. Why else would you make so many errors? :whistle:
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 10, 2017, 09:47:45 PM
I thought: make mistakes, and commit errors :angel:
I'll get my coat now...
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Post by: Ron Who on November 10, 2017, 09:57:52 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 10, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
I haven't seen that one much.I want to correct things but don't want to upset anyone.
Usually it is native English-speaking people I want to correct on places like Facebook though rather than non-English speaking people here who do a pretty good job.
Things like "I should of" instead of "I should have", "opps" instead of "oops", they're their there who's whose etc.
"Live" instead of "life" :D
Loose / lose is a common one though.
Post by: Ron Who on November 10, 2017, 10:30:53 PM
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 10, 2017, 11:05:02 PM
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Post by: Don Pablo on November 10, 2017, 11:21:50 PM
:twak: :twak: :twak:Besides writing a post?If it makes you feel better, I've never noticed. :rofl:In computer programming, language nazism is a must. In natural language, it´s unneccesary most of the times. As a programming polyglot I spot errors every now and again but commenting on them would spoil the fun for me and for lots of others as well. Having said that, a recurring error that I find quite amusing is Mechanickal´s use of afterworths instead of afterwards.
(A search for afterworths on the entire MTo site will yield 11 hits. One by Kevin Davey, one by pfrsantos, and 9 (!) by Mechanickal. At least he´s consequent).
PS Everyone makes missteaks. Including me.
PSPS I´ve noticed that many of our US based brethren use a textual rendering of spoken English. Usually incorrect, but perfectly understandable.
PSPSPS Read some of Magentus´ posts for some really weird usage of English.
OMFG! :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
I never even knew!
Why didn't you tell me? :cry:
Oh wait, you just said so...
And probably so you could have a laugh afterworths... wards
Never again! Afterwards it is!
Even though my muscle memory doesn't agree..
I wonder what mistakes I make consistently? :think:
:rofl:
Sorry buddy, couldn't let this one pass up :whistle:
Show content
:rofl:
I don't have a huge amount of grammar training, so I tend to go by my gut feelings. :facepalm:
Post by: Yadda on November 11, 2017, 01:01:31 AM
Post by: redmond on November 11, 2017, 01:26:02 AM
Y'all, or more properly: All y'all be doin' just fine. Don't sweat the small stuff. eh?
:facepalm:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 11, 2017, 01:32:41 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 11, 2017, 02:10:09 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 11, 2017, 02:13:18 AM
Post by: redmond on November 11, 2017, 03:32:15 AM
Been there, done that, and the bruises haven't quite healed yet. :ahhh
Post by: Mechanickal on November 11, 2017, 06:55:25 AM
Speaking of spannend, if you want a "spirited" response, tell a Kiwi that he/she has a cute Aussie accent.??
Been there, done that, and the bruises haven't quite healed yet. :ahhh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Kiwi_%28Actinidia_chinensis%29_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg/1200px-Kiwi_%28Actinidia_chinensis%29_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg)
Or
(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2624055/size/tmg-article_tall.jpg)
??
:whistle:
Post by: moonweasel on November 11, 2017, 07:11:45 AM
Speaking of spannend, if you want a "spirited" response, tell a Kiwi that he/she has a cute Aussie accent.??
Been there, done that, and the bruises haven't quite healed yet. :ahhh
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Kiwi_%28Actinidia_chinensis%29_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg/1200px-Kiwi_%28Actinidia_chinensis%29_1_Luc_Viatour.jpg)
Or
(https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2624055/size/tmg-article_tall.jpg)
??
:whistle:
Kiwi Fruit,
Kiwi
(https://i.imgur.com/eryUmX9t.jpg)
Kiwi also :D
One thing I have noticed is the (usually) American thing of confusing 'then' and 'than', creeping into a few of the non native speakers posts.
Post by: AlephZero on November 11, 2017, 07:26:16 AM
No grammar nazism needed, methinks!
:cheers:
Post by: Blackbeard on November 11, 2017, 09:04:34 AM
Too and to too...
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you forgot two.
Honestly I'm amazed at some people who can readily understand a second language...I have always done poorly in Spanish classes in high school and college, conjugating verbs(In English we dont really conjugate) or just seeing a short word like "us" is "nosotros" in Spanish? and even watching narcos on netflix which is 70% Spanish with subtitles I try and keep up with my limited knowledge base, but it still goes too fast to translate on the fly. these were the only classes I ever took where if I didnt make a tiny cheat sheet I would have failed miserably.
At times I feel really dumb, especially back in school(math or spanish), maybe I had a attention deficit disorder..but other times I feel very smart, can complete most New York Times Crosswords and destroy almost every opponent in words with friends, but I do admire you guys who can work 2 or more languages :salute:
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 11, 2017, 12:03:21 PM
Or did you just mean that the Dutch are exciting people, cuz from what I can tell around here, they awl are. :DBoth of course ;) - but anyway the spelling and meaning of 'spannend' is indeed identical in German and Dutch.
Let us not forget the aspect, prevalent in traditional immigration countries, of recent immigration and the need to learn a sometimes drastically different language than one's mother tongue, or conversely, bringing in a quite different accent of the same language...
Another known factor in determining how good citizens are at speaking foreign is the size of a country and/or population speaking a particular language. I comfort myself in believing this is why most Dutchmen tend to be quite proficient in English... or maybe it's down to "who wants to learn Dutch anyway" :D
And then, to make it more complicated, some members, in the more SAK oriented threads, like to throw in the occasional sentence in Middle English :D
I generally go by the formula "if you can understand it, don't bother to correct". I agree this may be less educational... but for one I am not a native English speaker, hence I don't want to be perceived as overly arrogant and pedantic, and for the other this is not a language forum.
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Post by: Ron Who on November 11, 2017, 12:37:40 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 11, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
For instance, there were more programs in English with Dutch subtitles, a departure from the all-German TV I had been used to.
I know that one of the big reasons that I have made so many mistakes in my posts is that I'm using a mobile, and often use talk to text. So spelling and punctuation kind of get thrown out the window.
But I honestly don't mind grammar sticklers, as long as they are correct in their corrections
:cheers:
Post by: gregozedobe on November 12, 2017, 02:30:08 AM
But I honestly don't mind grammar sticklers, as long as they are correct in their corrections
I'm usually pretty flexible, so long as I can discern the meaning.
I have been known to point out errors in a corrector's post, just to make the point that no one is perfect. But there is always a danger that I might make an error myself, thus leaving myself open to someone else pointing out MY mistake. ;)
Post by: Don Pablo on November 12, 2017, 02:39:33 AM
Then repeat ad nauseam. :rofl:But I honestly don't mind grammar sticklers, as long as they are correct in their corrections
I'm usually pretty flexible, so long as I can discern the meaning.
I have been known to point out errors in a corrector's post, just to make the point that no one is perfect. But there is always a danger that I might make an error myself, thus leaving myself open to someone else pointing out MY mistake. ;)
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 12, 2017, 02:44:55 PM
If I cannot understand a post, I would ask for clarification, and maybe that would be enough.
Older British and US imperialism, and the Cold War being what they were, and NATO and the UN being what they are, I suppose it makes sense that there are people all over the globe who speak English of some variation. Even pilots on international commercial flight are mandated to speak English.
Having said that, I am always interested in where folks on this forum are from, because very often I am bowled over at people's English language skills here. I find myself reading posts, only to check its country of origin and say to myself "wow. I couldn't say all of that in another language."
I took French in grade school and high school. Learned some bits and pieces of other languages from friends. Learned how to count and say "again!" in Toysanese going to school in Chinatown. And learned Brasilian Portuguese from my previous Mrs., currently "X" Mrs. ThundahBeagle.
And I don't think I could say much of a mouthful in any of those languages compared to what folks from around the world write here in English.
So, kudos, and try, but you shouldn't be overly concerned. Good group of folks we have here
Post by: ThundahBeagle on November 12, 2017, 03:12:36 PM
Others arrive and try their best to be quick studies. Even just trying makes a huge difference in how one is received and how readily another is willing to help.
Whenever I've been in a different country, I've done my best to learn as much local language as possible. I like to hope that if I moved to, say, Brazil, in a couple year's time, to the casual eye at least, I could be indistinguishable from those born there, linguistically. Maybe I couldn't, who knows.
The thing about a forum like this, is that it is NOT United States oriented. Even coming from Canada, it isn't Canada-oriented either. It is such an international forum that we gain more than just Swiss Army Knife and Leatherman perspectives in different countries. Lingo, slang, colloquialisms, information on law, customs, geography, weather, and food shines through.
There is communication between Russians and Americans. Germans and Israelis and folks from various middle eastern countries. Folks from Southeast and far east Asia, and Europeans. The UN doesn't get along as well as we do. It's better than just tolerance, and it isn't a forced, pandering internationalization either. Because we share a common interest, we just are. And for the most part, all goes well.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 12, 2017, 03:36:21 PM
Post by: Poncho65 on November 12, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
I was just actually showing my little girl all the flags of the different members here and it is very cool how diverse we are here :like:
Like Thundah said it isn't forced as (well to me) we all seem to get along genuinely :tu: Sure we do have a few disagreements sometimes but who doesn't :D I think I disagree more with people at work and around here than I do with the lot of you :D :like:
The culture of different countries that I have learned here about many different places is another aspect of MTO that keeps me coming back over and over as well :tu:
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 12, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
I sometimes forget we are as international as we are because we all get along so well :D
I was just actually showing my little girl all the flags of the different members here and it is very cool how diverse we are here :like:
Like Thundah said it isn't forced as (well to me) we all seem to get along genuinely :tu: Sure we do have a few disagreements sometimes but who doesn't :D I think I disagree more with people at work and around here than I do with the lot of you :D :like:
The culture of different countries that I have learned here about many different places is another aspect of MTO that keeps me coming back over and over as well :tu:
+1 :salute:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 12, 2017, 04:52:12 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 12, 2017, 05:01:58 PM
Io non spreche English bien μα seviyorum быть hier יחד ك.French, English, Spanish, Greek, Russian and Arabic? :think:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 12, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
We all love life, SAKs and MTs too. All the rest are secondary matters.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 12, 2017, 08:34:27 PM
Italian, French, German, English, Spanish, Greek, Turkish, Russian, Dutch, Jewish and Arabic (these two are counted from right to left).So we could have hosted our shared GAW in Dutch? :sa: :D
We all love life, SAKs and MTs too. All the rest are secondary matters.
Post by: kkokkolis on November 12, 2017, 08:43:14 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 13, 2017, 08:23:14 AM
... that should summon Zoids :D
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 13, 2017, 08:33:44 AM
So what do the rest of non-native anglophones think of this? Do we hang out in a to nice a place to hone our language skills? :D
:cheers:
I have a few triggers, top of the list is probably They're/Their/There & such :facepalm:
:rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 13, 2017, 08:34:51 AM
Favour
Colour
etc etc
:rofl:
Post by: zoidberg on November 13, 2017, 09:00:07 AM
Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
:facepalm:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 13, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
I've never been in Switerland. Is it that much more expensive than Switzerland?
Post by: Etherealicer on November 13, 2017, 10:27:44 AM
Almost 27 minutes... what took you so long?Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
:facepalm:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 13, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
... its actually not that bad, princes have come down quite a bit, so after all I've gotten my brick. Its not about the content of the phrase but the words used. After all, it is a threat about making spelling mistakes.Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
I've never been in Switerland. Is it that much more expensive than Switzerland?
Second mistake... YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO SWITZERLAND :ahhh
Post by: pfrsantos on November 13, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
... its actually not that bad, princes have come down quite a bit, so after all I've gotten my brick. Its not about the content of the phrase but the words used. After all, it is a threat about making spelling mistakes.Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
I've never been in Switerland. Is it that much more expensive than Switzerland?
Second mistake... YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO SWITZERLAND :ahhh
The only threat is your spelling...
:twak: :twak:
This is a post, on a thread!
:facepalm:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 13, 2017, 11:31:54 AM
I think that a lot of the mistakes are produced while the person translates literally from his own tongue to English.
In Greece we often laugh translating literally some Greek expressions. They really make no sense in English and they just sound funny (or offending). I guess that happens with every language.
What about:
It says!
It counts
I've played them!
It doesn't exist we say
It happened the come to see.
Are you working me?
Ι am not fighting her...
You changed my lights
I stayed bone!
Welcome my eyes the two
Better five and in hand than ten and waiting
Better donkey-bonding than donkey-searching
They played wood.
On the deaf man's door, knock as much as you want.
To the down-down of the writing
Are you asking and the change from over?
He returned me the entrails.
Like the unfair curse.
Something's running down to the gypsies.
It didn't sit on us.
He gives her to me.
You take him and you incline
It brakes her to me.
He owes me his horns.
Who pays the bride.
He made them sea
I came out of my clothes.
This place is at Devil's mother.
It rains chair legs.
Hairs curly.
I don't have face to come out in society.
How from here morning morning?
I don't know my blindness.
The blind man's rights
I see it pale.
He is de-watered!
Did he tell her to me now?
You are for the festivals.
Three-blanket party.
You catch me?
They don't chew.
Does the goat chew taramas?
Slow the cabbages!
Catch the egg and give it a haircut.
Are we gluing coffee pots?
Marrows drums!
Marrows with olive & oregano.
I saw Christ a soldier
Does the cat spin on gogurt?
It will be of Popi.
Leave them to go.
He is blowing the money.
You bloated ours.
One and to be hot.
And so on.
It's the same phenomenon that happens not for comical effect but because one doesn't know the precise expression in English.
Don't forget that I have to use a lot of Greek words when writing in English, but in a non Greek mode. That's confusing too.
Post by: Etherealicer on November 13, 2017, 11:36:29 AM
No, I have been to Switzerland, it's Switerland I have never been in. :DFallen for my own tarp :facepalm:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 13, 2017, 11:37:12 AM
I always thought its sbelling, because it rings so nice ::)... its actually not that bad, princes have come down quite a bit, so after all I've gotten my brick. Its not about the content of the phrase but the words used. After all, it is a threat about making spelling mistakes.Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
I've never been in Switerland. Is it that much more expensive than Switzerland?
Second mistake... YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO SWITZERLAND :ahhh
The only threat is your spelling...
:twak: :twak:
This is a post, on a thread!
:facepalm:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 13, 2017, 11:38:25 AM
Post by: pomsbz on November 13, 2017, 11:47:52 AM
Although I am English born and bred, I didn't have formal English language education further than GCSE level (age 16) when I left school. In addition I speak a foreign language most of the day, a factor which doesn't really help my grammar or vocabulary retention. Don't even start me on spelling. :D
I'd add another factor. Although the English language has defined rules of grammar, these vary somewhat dependant on location but more so usage. The language used when writing; a university thesis, a business case, a novel, an instruction sheet for an appliance, a letter to your bank, a letter to your girlfriend and most of all in spoken conversation, will be vastly different. This is language usage however the strict grammar usage will also change in conjunction. Especially when switching to spoken English which in itself will have various categories of language usage. With all of that in mind, what category would we define forum conversation to be? Is it transcribed spoken word? Or is it perhaps a fully written style of communication. If so just how informal is the language use allowed to become? Until we've defined that, I'm not sure that any style of forum grammar policing can be interpreted as anything but individuals projecting their own views on the subject to a usually disinterested audience. Especially in an age where social media has developed its own 'open source' styles or genres of English language usage.
That said, written language requires clarity of intention. Regardless of the style of writing, if the message is ambiguous or unclear, there will be a lack of successful communication. This is seen most often due to the use of transcribed spoken language missing required tonal cues which provide contextual intent. Even emoji use has become mostly ambiguous or indeed intentionally misused on the internet further exacerbating the issue.
In conclusion, yes this is an exceptionally relaxed and friendly forum. :cheers:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 13, 2017, 11:54:10 AM
I always thought its sbelling, because it rings so nice ::)... its actually not that bad, princes have come down quite a bit, so after all I've gotten my brick. Its not about the content of the phrase but the words used. After all, it is a threat about making spelling mistakes.Whenever I see the prizes on MTs here in Switerland, I think "Give me a brake, they cost a fifth in the US".
... that should summon Zoids :D
I've never been in Switerland. Is it that much more expensive than Switzerland?
Second mistake... YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO SWITZERLAND :ahhh
The only threat is your spelling...
:twak: :twak:
This is a post, on a thread!
:facepalm:
Sbelling is acceptable, but only when you have a cold.
:salute:
Post by: ThePeacent on November 13, 2017, 11:56:53 AM
Things like "I should of" instead of "I should have", "opps" instead of "oops", they're their there who's whose etc.
I'm happy to have learned many words and things in English here, it's a very good place to practice and see mistakes/errors/tendencies of both native English speakers and non-native members.
I try my best and I'm aware of most of my mistakes, unfortunately that happens some time after I've made my post and re-read it (like days after, :facepalm:). I don't try to correct anybody's gramatical mistakes because I'm the first one to do them, and only if it's a recurring thing or frequent, very awkward error do I tell that person, because I want to spare them further ridicule. But that rarely happens.
As for mistakes that many English speakers do, especially on Bladeforums, these kill me:
- Knifes
- Than/Then
and the one that I can't stand and makes me really angry everytime I see it, especially from a native speaker (truth is, it's often native English speakers that do this mistake), as Syncop8r said:
- should of / could of.... :ahhh :rant: :twak:
just in case anybody was thinking "what's wrong with should of?"
http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/blog/english-mistakes/should-have-vs-should-of/
Post by: pomsbz on November 13, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
and the one that I can't stand and makes me really angry everytime I see it, especially from a native speaker (truth is, it's often native English speakers that do this mistake), as Syncop8r said:
- should of / could of.... :ahhh :rant: :twak:
just in case anybody was thinking "what's wrong with should of?"
http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/blog/english-mistakes/should-have-vs-should-of/
Thing is, referencing what I wrote above, although it's incorrect, 'should of' is common usage in relaxed spoken English and usually ignored. Call it 'slang' English usage. As a result you are seeing on forums is people 'speaking' with their fingers.
Post by: Huntsman on November 13, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
In your case, Lister's, pfrsantos' and many other people on this forum, for whom the first language is not English, if I didn't knew better, I would think that your first (and primary) language was English. :salute:FTFY...
........
:salute: :tu:
In Lister's, pfrsantos' and your cases, and for many other people on this forum,
FTFY .... :salute:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 13, 2017, 12:16:41 PM
:D :salute:In your case, Lister's, pfrsantos' and many other people on this forum, for whom the first language is not English, if I didn't knew better, I would think that your first (and primary) language was English. :salute:FTFY...
........
:salute: :tu:
In Lister's, pfrsantos' and your cases, and for many other people on this forum,for whom thewhose first language is not English, if I didn'tknewknow better, I would think that your first (and primary) language was English.
FTFY .... :salute:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 13, 2017, 12:23:37 PM
:salute:
Here are a few songs that helped me become the cunning linguist I am today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO9xpzBAKT8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7sU-66D4Pk
Show content
These tracks are from a portuguese group, Cebola Mol. They have an album inspired in Pulp Fiction, with excerpts from the film remade by them. It's like Monty Python meets Benny Hill.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Huntsman on November 13, 2017, 12:32:19 PM
Thing is, referencing what I wrote above, although it's incorrect, 'should of' is common usage in relaxed spoken English and usually ignored. Call it 'slang' English usage. As a result you are seeing on forums is people 'speaking' with their fingers.Just because it's common it does not mean it is correct :twak:
- There is no question that 'should of' is gramatically incorrect - and should not be used even in spoken English.
And I don't think there is such a thing as 'relaxed spoken English' in the way you imply with a different set of rules !!
And I gotta disagree with this too:
......
Although the English language has defined rules of grammar, these vary somewhat dependant on location but more so usage
......
however the strict grammar usage will also change in conjunction. Especially when switching to spoken English which in itself will have various categories of language usage.
This is total codswallop :pok:
Yes accents, words, the spoken word, mannerisms, colloquialisms, dialects etc change - Grammar does not - The rules are fixed
Yes I do agree spoken/forum English is more informal than 'proper' written English.
And grammatical rules may not be applied by an individual to the spoken word, but that does not make that spoken word correct - even if it is common!
Jumping off my soap box now !!
All that said - We have some amazing non-native English speakers on this forum
Many speak/write (and spell!!) English better than many of our native speakers
Post by: lister on November 13, 2017, 01:30:25 PM
Since I joined this forum my writing skills improved. Before I felt uncomfortable communicating in English. Now I can write without much trouble. Although I still regularly look up definitions of words and phrases to avoid making mistakes. And spell checker is a godsend for someone who learned most of his English through listening.
Speaking English is a whole different beast to me. I am told that I sound like a Russian with extensive vocabulary. Also a beer or two supposedly increases my ability to speak English well. Anything more than that changes the trend sharply. :D
As for learning English as a second language as opposed to some other language: It is easier to learn English as there is so much of it. I presume that is why my quest to learn German is still a failure. There is simply not as much of it around and it is thus harder to learn it through sheer diffusion. :D
Post by: pomsbz on November 13, 2017, 01:56:50 PM
Yes accents, words, the spoken word, mannerisms, colloquialisms, dialects etc change - Grammar does not - The rules are fixed
I'm no linguist but I have a feeling that the above statement might be up for discussion. Especially when seen from a historical basis. I have a feeling that the rules of grammar are indeed evolving as is the rest of the language albeit at perhaps a slower pace. I would be amazed if the common usage of grammar in 1945 and today were identical. There is nothing 'holy' about an evolving and ever changing language which might suggest that the rules of grammar are sacrosanct and utterly unchanged by the winds of time.
Just my thoughts, I'm not a professional linguist by any means and my in depth and historical studies into language structure have all been in a different and far more ancient language. :)
Post by: Don Pablo on November 13, 2017, 04:40:35 PM
+1. :cheers:
Yes accents, words, the spoken word, mannerisms, colloquialisms, dialects etc change - Grammar does not - The rules are fixed
I'm no linguist but I have a feeling that the above statement might be up for discussion. Especially when seen from a historical basis. I have a feeling that the rules of grammar are indeed evolving as is the rest of the language albeit at perhaps a slower pace. I would be amazed if the common usage of grammar in 1945 and today were identical. There is nothing 'holy' about an evolving and ever changing language which might suggest that the rules of grammar are sacrosanct and utterly unchanged by the winds of time.
Just my thoughts, I'm not a professional linguist by any means and my in depth and historical studies into language structure have all been in a different and far more ancient language. :)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary.
-J.N
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 13, 2017, 04:45:09 PM
+1. :cheers:
Yes accents, words, the spoken word, mannerisms, colloquialisms, dialects etc change - Grammar does not - The rules are fixed
I'm no linguist but I have a feeling that the above statement might be up for discussion. Especially when seen from a historical basis. I have a feeling that the rules of grammar are indeed evolving as is the rest of the language albeit at perhaps a slower pace. I would be amazed if the common usage of grammar in 1945 and today were identical. There is nothing 'holy' about an evolving and ever changing language which might suggest that the rules of grammar are sacrosanct and utterly unchanged by the winds of time.
Just my thoughts, I'm not a professional linguist by any means and my in depth and historical studies into language structure have all been in a different and far more ancient language. :)
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and riffle their pockets for new vocabulary.
-J.N
I was just reading about that in a journal I bought at a mall kiosk...
Post by: kkokkolis on November 13, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/OtNSX8m.jpg)
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Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 01:12:19 AM
And spell checker is a godsend for someone who learned most of his English through listening.Is the spell checker part of the forum? :think: It keeps wanting to make me use US spelling instead of actual English. :twak:
There are some words where the S is replaced with a Z in the American version (eg: apologise/apologize, realise/realize) and if I'm not sure I throw an S in there anyway. >:D
Oh I think we should probably steer away from the N-word too...
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 01:25:08 AM
eg: "....and WALLA!" :facepalm:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 01:29:54 AM
Oh I just thought of something I really hate.... when a word that English has borrowed from another language is misspelt (I just had to look that up) by native English language speakers...Miss Pelt! :hatsoff:
eg: "....and WALLA!" :facepalm:
Post by: ColoSwiss on November 14, 2017, 02:51:16 AM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 04:06:55 AM
Post by: Poncho65 on November 14, 2017, 04:55:10 AM
:rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 05:45:10 AM
Post by: Huntsman on November 14, 2017, 08:14:20 AM
Most people here are doing better than this.
What's wrong ??? - Manicure is spelt absolutely correctly :o
Post by: Etherealicer on November 14, 2017, 08:46:09 AM
Most people here are doing better than this.When I was still working in science I used a laser scanning microscope, that requires microscopy slides of exact thickness. Sadly for a company that produced such an expensive product, they didn't know the difference between "microscopy" and "microscopic". It made me smile every time I got precision microscopic slides :rofl:
Post by: lister on November 14, 2017, 10:32:05 AM
Oh I think we should probably steer away from the N-word too...
Changing the word does not change the feelings of people. Black people in USA were called negros, niggers, people of colour, African Americans and they still are not seen as equal by large portions of white population. Homosexuals rebranded themselves as gay and now gay no longer means happy but something lame. Changing words changes nothing. You have to change the attitudes.
For the most of our history my nation was as a little more than slaves and cannon fodder for other European nations. One of the possible etymologies for the word slave derives it from the word Slav, which is the ethnic group I belong to. In the regions of Italy that border on our county Slovenians are still sometimes called slaves, as the word are also similar in Italian. In the WWII we were occupied by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, and both pretty much saw as utermenschen. Despite that we still call ourselves Slovenians.
I am an atheist and politically lean towards communism, anarchism... Stuff that is not popular in USA. Do I mind if they call my a dirty commie? Not so much. And we all like gadgets. That is why I am here. So even if someone does not agree with me on these things mostly we will get along just well. :D
Basically what I am saying, most of the world is not USA. Don't be a smurf to other people. But not using a word nigger does not magically make you a non-smurf. This forum is just to international to avoid cultural shock. We mostly manage to get along despite it.
And that is the true power of multitools. :climber: :multi:
:D
Ps: I just realised that you might have the word nazi in mind? Well as far as I am concerned the same goes for it. Grammar nazi is an saying that is in common usage. Anyway if either of the words makes to many people uncomfortable just add them to the smurf filter. Although don't add Slovenian to the filter. I don't want to be a smurf! I am to tall and not blue enough for that title. :D
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 11:03:02 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 14, 2017, 11:21:55 AM
And spell checker is a godsend for someone who learned most of his English through listening.Is the spell checker part of the forum? :think: It keeps wanting to make me use US spelling instead of actual English. :twak:
There are some words where the S is replaced with a Z in the American version (eg: apologise/apologize, realise/realize) and if I'm not sure I throw an S in there anyway. >:D
Oh I think we should probably steer away from the N-word too...
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Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 11:27:19 AM
I know it's a common term... quite an exaggeration. Similar to Godwin's Law? :think:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 11:30:50 AM
Homosexuals rebranded themselves as gay and now gay no longer means happy but something lame.
There is an ad campaign here to stop calling lame things "gay" as people who call themselves gay are upset.
Post by: lister on November 14, 2017, 12:03:24 PM
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 12:16:37 PM
Yeah I know. But what I mean with communism is not anything to do with any real world regimes. I mean as a capital as commons, increased economical equality (which to me is a prerequisite for democracy), taking care of basic needs (food, place to live, education...) and stuff like that. But if we avoid words with two meanings what are you left with? If we implement smurf filter for such cases communication would be something like this: Smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf... :D
It´s not my intention to have a smurf filter, but to have people say what they really mean. Like you did just now. :salute:
Post by: lister on November 14, 2017, 12:20:57 PM
Yeah I know. But what I mean with communism is not anything to do with any real world regimes. I mean as a capital as commons, increased economical equality (which to me is a prerequisite for democracy), taking care of basic needs (food, place to live, education...) and stuff like that. But if we avoid words with two meanings what are you left with? If we implement smurf filter for such cases communication would be something like this: Smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf... :D
It´s not my intention to have a smurf filter, but to have people say what they really mean. Like you did just now. :salute:
I know that you did not mean to institute a smurf filter. I am just saying that most words have many meanings. Maybe as many as there are people who know/use them. :D
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 14, 2017, 01:09:26 PM
I am an atheist and politically lean towards communism, anarchism... Stuff that is not popular in USA. Do I mind if they call my a dirty commie? Not so much. And we all like gadgets. That is why I am here. So even if someone does not agree with me on these things mostly we will get along just well. :D
:salute:
Why not go wildly off topic :rofl:
I recently came to the conclusion that anarchy is the only acceptable option going forward, that said I have no idea how to practically implement it :think:
The way I see it there might 1/1000.....or 1/1 000 000 people that can live ungoverned and without the will to power.
I'm angered and saddened by politics, I take no part other that paying tax and making scathing remarks on Facebook.
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on November 14, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
And spell checker is a godsend for someone who learned most of his English through listening.Is the spell checker part of the forum? :think: It keeps wanting to make me use US spelling instead of actual English. :twak:
There are some words where the S is replaced with a Z in the American version (eg: apologise/apologize, realise/realize) and if I'm not sure I throw an S in there anyway. >:D
Oh I think we should probably steer away from the N-word too...
Before we go blaming the forum for something yet again, the spell checker is built into most browsers nowadays. If it is set to US English and not your preferred language, it's going to bring up the US spelling of things. Even if people in the US think it's ok to drop the U in flavour and colour and mispronounce the last letter of the alphabet. :D
Def
Post by: kkokkolis on November 14, 2017, 02:23:52 PM
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
I guess they did that also for the world "Nazi" of this thread's title, since "SoSmurfpillsm" starts with an S, both in English and German. As in NationalSozialismus.
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
It´s caused by hot potatoes, they have blicesters on their tongues.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 04:30:51 PM
:facepalm:I guess they did that also for the world "Nazi" of this thread's title, since "SoSmurfpillsm" starts with an S, both in English and German. As in NationalSozialismus.
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
It´s caused by hot potatoes, they have blicesters on their tongues.
It's actually all the hot tea!
Post by: AlephZero on November 14, 2017, 04:49:12 PM
I guess they did that also for the world "Nazi" of this thread's title, since "SoSmurfpillsm" starts with an S, both in English and German. As in NationalSozialismus.
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
It´s caused by hot potatoes, they have blicesters on their tongues.
:rofl:
Oh, and don't even get me started on "Worcestershire"... ::)
Post by: kkokkolis on November 14, 2017, 04:50:42 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 04:51:35 PM
Eddie Murphy is in my head saying it now. :facepalm:I guess they did that also for the world "Nazi" of this thread's title, since "SoSmurfpillsm" starts with an S, both in English and German. As in NationalSozialismus.
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
It´s caused by hot potatoes, they have blicesters on their tongues.
:rofl:
Oh, and don't even get me started on "Worcestershire"... ::)
(From shrek)
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 05:00:54 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 14, 2017, 05:02:28 PM
.:facepalm:
Post by: ThePeacent on November 14, 2017, 06:35:25 PM
Oh I think we should probably steer away from the N-word too...
Changing the word does not change the feelings of people. Black people in USA were called negros, niggers, people of colour, African Americans and they still are not seen as equal by large portions of white population. Homosexuals rebranded themselves as gay and now gay no longer means happy but something lame. Changing words changes nothing. You have to change the attitudes.
the curious thing is that in Spanish, the second most spoken language in the world, "negro" means literally "black", the name of the colour, (color for you US folks) without any additional meaning or connotation. Just literally, black.
Here you have a black iPod (iPod negro), a black cat (gato negro) or a black car (coche negro), and when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro". Afro-americans, African people and very dark skin people are "negros", and this was the one and only way to call them until very, very recently.
Now, as more tolerant homosexual, anti-misogynist, anti-racist and anti-everything-bad view of things, these "negros" are called dark color people, Afro-American people, or other (neutral thing here) people but between older people the use of the N word is just common and it's not interpreted as impolite, insulting or incorrect, even though it's politically and socially inappropriate in today's world.
It just looked curious to me as I called these people "negros" as a child and never thought I could hurt somebody's feelings by doing so. :oops:
Post by: AlephZero on November 14, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
How do they read that?
It's something like "woostersha" ::)
:pok:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 14, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
Eddie Murphy is in my head saying it now. :facepalm:I guess they did that also for the world "Nazi" of this thread's title, since "SoSmurfpillsm" starts with an S, both in English and German. As in NationalSozialismus.
But we shouldn't say much about Americans. British people write "Glucester" and they read "Gloster". And "Leicester" as "Lester". I guess they would write "Licester" for "Lister", but that's not sure, since they also have "Lancaster" that they read properly.
Can anyone explain that?
It´s caused by hot potatoes, they have blicesters on their tongues.
:rofl:
Oh, and don't even get me started on "Worcestershire"... ::)
(From shrek)
Found it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOhb5juSHY
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 08:15:36 PM
and when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro".Why don't you just call them by their names? ;)
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 08:27:22 PM
What if you don't know them? :Pand when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro".Why don't you just call them by their names? ;)
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 08:28:12 PM
Pic of some of my books, in reversed colors.
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 08:28:38 PM
What if you don't know them? :Pand when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro".Why don't you just call them by their names? ;)
Call them sir.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 08:28:53 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 08:43:47 PM
As in, "see the (mumble obscure light shade) person there?" Or "go to the (mumble obscure black shade) coloured guy".
Usually they have a more distinctive feature, like hair or clothes. :whistle:
Post by: ThePeacent on November 14, 2017, 08:45:01 PM
What if you don't know them? :Pand when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro".Why don't you just call them by their names? ;)
Call them sir.
of course I am talking about people you don't know or plain strangers. Like: if you point out to a group of people of all genders, ages, etc. and you are asked "Who in that group?" and you say "El negro (the black)" making it completely clear that you refer to the dark colored person of that group, without negative remarks or connotations
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 08:55:28 PM
Most of the Germans around here are hippies. :think:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 14, 2017, 08:58:34 PM
With regard to Nazis, the worst people I have to deal with is building regulations folk who just LOVE being nitpicky with all the rules. They all seem to come from the UK.... :pok:Strange, I'm told that the Germans in Germany are... Unhippy? :think:
Most of the Germans around here are hippies. :think:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 14, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
With regard to Nazis, the worst people I have to deal with is building regulations folk who just LOVE being nitpicky with all the rules. They all seem to come from the UK.... :pok:Strange, I'm told that the Germans in Germany are... Unhippy? :think:
Most of the Germans around here are hippies. :think:
Maybe they send the hippy types over to you :rofl:
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 09:05:02 PM
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 09:18:23 PM
Post by: pomsbz on November 14, 2017, 09:29:07 PM
Seems like there's plenty of hippie types in Deutschland. But as far as grammar goes... goodness gracious... they have some rules... but not THAT many exceptions and learning grammar helped me understand English better.
In Hebrew the word 'the' is the single letter 'ה' tacked onto the front of the word. How's that for easy? :D
Post by: lister on November 14, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Post by: magentus on November 14, 2017, 10:08:17 PM
How do they read that?
It's pronounced Woostersher
The English language is a crazy thing. Trying to teach my severly dyslexic daughter how to spell was an absolute nightmare - non of the spelling rules are consistent, the same spelling has many different pronounciations
Cough (Coff), Dough (Doe), Bough (Bow), Slough (Sluff and Slow), Tough (Tuff), Through (Throo), Though (Tho) :ahhh
I salute all of you who communicate beautifully on this forum with English as your second language and will never pull you up on your spelling or grammar :salute:
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
How do they read that?
It's pronounced Woostersher
The English language is a crazy thing. Trying to teach my severly dyslexic daughter how to spell was an absolute nightmare - non of the spelling rules are consistent, the same spelling has many different pronounciations
Cough (Coff), Dough (Doe), Bough (Bow), Slough (Sluff and Slow), Tough (Tuff), Through (Throo), Though (Tho) :ahhh
I salute all of you who communicate beautifully on this forum with English as your second language and will never pull you up on your spelling or grammar :salute:
Excellent point on the "ough"
Post by: Poncho65 on November 14, 2017, 10:32:52 PM
Post by: magentus on November 14, 2017, 10:36:07 PM
He did forget thorough though :whistle: :DGood point poncho - Thorough (Thura) :cheers:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 14, 2017, 10:45:47 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 10:57:51 PM
He did forget thorough though :whistle: :DGood point poncho - Thorough (Thura) :cheers:
That's the way my dad pronounces thorough... Like George Thura Good
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 14, 2017, 10:58:54 PM
Irrelevant, but I was always fascinated by old languages with rich literature that are still spoken today. Greek, Latin, Hebrew, Tamil, Sanskrit, Farsi, Chinese, Arabic. They get close to the origins of abstract thinking, as much as it gets. Romance, Slavic and Germanic languages, all arose somewhere in the Middle Ages, a couple of millenia later. Still, all languages and dialects (slang included) do what they are supposed to do, promote communication and exchange of information. Even when simplified, distorted or containing faults. Because languages are living things, they evolve, they grow old, they die, they produce offsprings.
Time to learn Greek
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 11:00:33 PM
Perhaps because the hippy ones all come here? :think:With regard to Nazis, the worst people I have to deal with is building regulations folk who just LOVE being nitpicky with all the rules. They all seem to come from the UK.... :pok:Strange, I'm told that the Germans in Germany are... Unhippy? :think:
Most of the Germans around here are hippies. :think:
EDIT: Ooops just saw Mech's reply plus about 6 others that suddenly appeared.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
In Hebrew the word 'the' is the single letter 'ה' tacked onto the front of the word. How's that for easy? :DHow does Moses make his tea?
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Hebrews it. :facepalm:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 14, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
innernet (internet)
sodder (solder)
:pok:
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 11:17:50 PM
(Koekwaus meaning halfwit).
Post by: Ron Who on November 14, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 15, 2017, 12:43:53 AM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 12:49:10 AM
Bow like a bow-tie or bow like on a ship? :think:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 15, 2017, 01:15:57 AM
I think I mispronounced it all through my youth. Unless everyone else is wrong.You mean: bou or baou? :think:
Bow like a bow-tie or bow like on a ship? :think:
I'm not good with phonetics. :ahhh
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 15, 2017, 02:34:11 AM
I think I mispronounced it all through my youth. Unless everyone else is wrong.You mean: bou or baou? :think:
Bow like a bow-tie or bow like on a ship? :think:
I'm not good with phonetics. :ahhh
like boo wee
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 04:12:32 AM
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 15, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
like boo wee
Even if I agree with you, not even the Americans can reach consensus judging by YT videos :rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 11:54:48 AM
like boo weeAdding buoy to the list.... :whistle:
Post by: ThePeacent on November 15, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
"Bowie" is often pronounced "boowi", "bawi", "bauwi" or other similar ways
like "Tanto" ("tantoe", "tento") or "Wharncliffe" ("uarnclif", "uornclif", "uarclaif")
:facepalm:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 15, 2017, 12:56:06 PM
What if you don't know them? :Pand when you see a dark-coloured person you call them "negro".Why don't you just call them by their names? ;)
Call them sir.
I beg to differ...
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Post by: pfrsantos on November 15, 2017, 01:01:52 PM
He did forget thorough though :whistle: :DGood point poncho - Thorough (Thura) :cheers:
That's the way my dad pronounces thorough... Like George Thura Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw9B49epS_M
Post by: ThePeacent on November 15, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
he's a USA member :ahhh
Post by: pomsbz on November 15, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Burn the witch! :rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 15, 2017, 01:44:45 PM
someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
And did you see this?? :facepalm:
I already got my main wish granted, 2 full weeks of work again :ahhh :ahhhThat's great! :cheers:
that should be OFF work not OF
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 15, 2017, 01:45:19 PM
This forum should be running the planet! :salute:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 15, 2017, 02:20:18 PM
Post by: lister on November 15, 2017, 02:23:49 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 15, 2017, 02:46:01 PM
Burn the warlock... not many whiches* here.someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Burn the witch! :rofl:
*the perfect word to spell wrong :D
Post by: Poncho65 on November 15, 2017, 02:56:33 PM
someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Probably was me :ahhh I should of been watching my grammar more closely :ahhh
:rofl:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 15, 2017, 02:59:09 PM
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Post by: ducttapetech on November 15, 2017, 03:04:34 PM
:rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 15, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Yes, you should of bin watching ya grammer. You should try "Hookt on Fonix Werkt Four Me"someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Probably was me :ahhh I should of been watching my grammar more closely :ahhh
:rofl:
Helpt me out an bunch.
Post by: lister on November 15, 2017, 03:25:24 PM
Probably was me :ahhh I should of been watching my grammar more closely :ahhh
:rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 09:34:08 PM
You could of. But I didn't think you would of.someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Probably was me :ahhh I should of been watching my grammar more closely :ahhh
:rofl:
Post by: Huntsman on November 15, 2017, 09:44:29 PM
Burn the warlock... not many whiches* here.
*the perfect word to spell wrong :D
.... 'wrongly' - Mr. E ........ Or better still .... 'incorrectly'
Another classic and extremely common grammatical error ........ which I am sure was completely intentional, Mr E., given this thread .... ;)
- ie Using an adjective instead of an adverb to describe a verb - Adverbs of course - nearly always end in 'ly'
And a very, very common error in a large 'native' ( ? ;) ) English speaking country -
Maybe could even be an example of different rules ??? ...... Hmmm - Need to ask check my Merriam Webster dictionary
Hey - One other interesting bit of language trivia I learned really recently...
- That very Mr. Webster was responsible for the American spellings of English words - ie the 'or' rather than 'our' and 'z' instead of 's' etc etc
I always thought this was something that just metamorphosed over time - But apparently it was completely planned and intentional and ,,,
1. Was believed to be more logical/phonetic
2. Was intended as a very visible break away from English English
Post by: magentus on November 15, 2017, 09:54:56 PM
I would like a return to the times circa Shakespear(e) when people would spell words however they saw fit. There are too many ridiculous spellings and rules in the English language these days - it may be time for a reboot.. If the rules are relaxed we see invention thrive as with text speak etc.
Hoos with mee? Lets spel foneticaly!
Post by: Mechanickal on November 15, 2017, 10:01:46 PM
Interesting about Mr Webster!Fainali machs kan stob doe-in hiz bezt toe stob riting korektlie!
I would like a return to the times circa Shakespear(e) when people would spell words however they saw fit. There are too many ridiculous spellings and rules in the English language these days - it may be time for a reboot.. If the rules are relaxed we see invention thrive as with text speak etc.
Hoos with mee? Lets spel foneticaly!
Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Post by: magentus on November 15, 2017, 10:05:36 PM
Top noch spelin Nik :cheers: it gets rownd the smurf cheker az well! We can swair az much az wee bludy wel like!Interesting about Mr Webster!Fainali machs kan stob doe-in hiz bezt toe stob riting korektlie!
I would like a return to the times circa Shakespear(e) when people would spell words however they saw fit. There are too many ridiculous spellings and rules in the English language these days - it may be time for a reboot.. If the rules are relaxed we see invention thrive as with text speak etc.
Hoos with mee? Lets spel foneticaly!
Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Post by: Mechanickal on November 15, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
Fainalie wii (not thu gaim konsol) diefietat thu smurv filtur!Top noch spelin Nik :cheers: it gets rownd the smurf cheker az well! We can swair az much az wee bludy wel like!Interesting about Mr Webster!Fainali machs kan stob doe-in hiz bezt toe stob riting korektlie!
I would like a return to the times circa Shakespear(e) when people would spell words however they saw fit. There are too many ridiculous spellings and rules in the English language these days - it may be time for a reboot.. If the rules are relaxed we see invention thrive as with text speak etc.
Hoos with mee? Lets spel foneticaly!
Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Raiting taikes mutch longur thowh! :cry:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 15, 2017, 10:11:27 PM
Romeo, oh Romeo, wherefor art thou Romeo?Fainalie wii (not thu gaim konsol) diefietat thu smurv filtur!Top noch spelin Nik :cheers: it gets rownd the smurf cheker az well! We can swair az much az wee bludy wel like!Interesting about Mr Webster!Fainali machs kan stob doe-in hiz bezt toe stob riting korektlie!
I would like a return to the times circa Shakespear(e) when people would spell words however they saw fit. There are too many ridiculous spellings and rules in the English language these days - it may be time for a reboot.. If the rules are relaxed we see invention thrive as with text speak etc.
Hoos with mee? Lets spel foneticaly!
Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Raiting taikes mutch longur thowh! :cry:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 15, 2017, 10:13:19 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 10:17:27 PM
Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Post by: magentus on November 15, 2017, 10:19:50 PM
But Nik iz a jerman riting in a forin langwij - go eezi on him dood :pok:Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 10:22:44 PM
Jawohl.But Nik iz a jerman riting in a forin langwij - go eezi on him dood :pok:Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
O I thort he woz duch?
Post by: Mechanickal on November 15, 2017, 10:23:21 PM
Jerman?!! :twak:But Nik iz a jerman riting in a forin langwij - go eezi on him dood :pok:Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Belgian
Post by: magentus on November 15, 2017, 10:26:57 PM
Oopz, mi mistak. :ahhhJerman?!! :twak:But Nik iz a jerman riting in a forin langwij - go eezi on him dood :pok:Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Belgian
sori mi beljun frend. Pleez forgiv me.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 10:29:37 PM
Post by: magentus on November 15, 2017, 10:33:31 PM
Now I want to correct the phonetic words so they make more sense phonetically. :facepalm:
Leev it dood, just leev it.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 15, 2017, 10:39:16 PM
Bettur lissun Sincopaiter...Now I want to correct the phonetic words so they make more sense phonetically. :facepalm:
Leev it dood, just leev it.
Or elz...
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Post by: Syncop8r on November 15, 2017, 10:56:49 PM
To be fair he does have a German flag turned on it's side. :pok:Oopz, mi mistak. :ahhhJerman?!! :twak:But Nik iz a jerman riting in a forin langwij - go eezi on him dood :pok:Itz juzt an ekskuze, rite?Joe is not phonetic! :twak:
Joe chiegie baztart! :D
Belgian
sori mi beljun frend. Pleez forgiv me.
Post by: kkokkolis on November 15, 2017, 11:08:16 PM
Chaou woulnt you spel Mishishipi eniwouei? Maishaishaipai or whouat?
Post by: ThePeacent on November 15, 2017, 11:56:52 PM
someone here just wrote "should of" in one thread... :twak: :twak:
he's a USA member :ahhh
Probably was me :ahhh I should of been watching my grammar more closely :ahhh
:rofl:
No it was not you poncho but that person made that mistake AGAIN today just an hour ago. I won't say names so as not to cause any harm but it's getting on my nerves!!! :ahhh :ahhh >:(
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2017, 12:02:21 AM
Hey - One other interesting bit of language trivia I learned really recently...It gets worse, at least for the Britz... American English is older than British English :D
- That very Mr. Webster was responsible for the American spellings of English words - ie the 'or' rather than 'our' and 'z' instead of 's' etc etc
I always thought this was something that just metamorphosed over time - But apparently it was completely planned and intentional and ,,,
1. Was believed to be more logical/phonetic
2. Was intended as a very visible break away from English English
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2017, 12:05:00 AM
Now you made the wurst of all mistakes, got my title wrong... its Dr. EBurn the warlock... not many whiches* here.
*the perfect word to spell wrong :D
.... 'wrongly' - Mr. E ........ Or better still .... 'incorrectly'
Quite relevant to the thread:
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Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2017, 12:14:39 AM
Now you made the worst of all mistakes, got my title wrong... it's Dr. E
Das tut mir wirklich
EDIT: Corrected - My German is very rusty - Thanks for not correcting me !!
Amazing in this thread actually :o
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2017, 12:22:26 AM
Of course you are right, wrong is more wrong than wrongly, simp because ending a word with -li makes it smaller, at least in Swiss GermanNow you made the wurst of all mistakes, got my title wrong... its Dr. EBurn the warlock... not many whiches* here.
*the perfect word to spell wrong :D
.... 'wrongly' - Mr. E ........ Or better still .... 'incorrectly'
Schiff (boat) / Schiffli (small boat)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 16, 2017, 12:32:31 AM
Hey - One other interesting bit of language trivia I learned really recently...It gets worse, at least for the Britz... American English is older than British English :D
- That very Mr. Webster was responsible for the American spellings of English words - ie the 'or' rather than 'our' and 'z' instead of 's' etc etc
I always thought this was something that just metamorphosed over time - But apparently it was completely planned and intentional and ,,,
1. Was believed to be more logical/phonetic
2. Was intended as a very visible break away from English English
Yeah, so we have been doing it wrong way longer on purpose :pok:
:rofl:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 16, 2017, 12:34:03 AM
:rofl: :like:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 16, 2017, 12:44:21 AM
Yeah, so we have been doing it wrong way longer on purpose :pok:I KNEW it! :twak:
:rofl:
I did wonder how long it would be before this thread spiraled this far out of control :whistle:Actually it is still (after some deviation) surprisingly on-topic.
Post by: pomsbz on November 16, 2017, 05:51:59 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2017, 08:22:00 AM
Everybody thinked it was on purpose... hard to tell sometimes.Now you made the worst of all mistakes, got my title wrong... it's Dr. E
Das tut mir wirklichwehleid - Entschuldigung Herr Doctor :hatsoff:
EDIT: Corrected - My German is very rusty - Thanks for not correcting me !!
Amazing in this thread actually :o
Post by: Gareth on November 16, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 16, 2017, 10:43:37 AM
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 10:56:03 AM
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 16, 2017, 10:59:02 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 16, 2017, 11:00:29 AM
Now you made the worst of all mistakes, got my title wrong... it's Dr. E
Das tut mir wirklichwehleid - Entschuldigung Herr Doctor :hatsoff:
EDIT: Corrected - My German is very rusty - Thanks for not correcting me !!
Amazing in this thread actually :o
Wissen is macht. Wissen nichts? Macht nichts!
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Post by: pfrsantos on November 16, 2017, 11:02:45 AM
In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You think that's bad?!
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Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 11:02:58 AM
I got laughed at in England for saying "Bi-ces-ter". :-[I apologise on behalf of my stupid and arrogant compatriots. :hatsoff:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 16, 2017, 11:16:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KLSbCtinXs
Post by: Syncop8r on November 16, 2017, 11:37:47 AM
EDIT: Corrected - My German is very rustyMy German is rusty too, but I need to put him to work in places immigration won't find him. :whistle:
Post by: pomsbz on November 16, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
Holland has some really friendly knife laws. :D
Post by: pomsbz on November 16, 2017, 11:56:12 AM
Post by: hiraethus on November 16, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 16, 2017, 12:55:23 PM
In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 01:05:14 PM
Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 01:13:02 PM
Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: lister on November 16, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 01:42:25 PM
Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 01:44:34 PM
Hell yeah! I even let you use my shop also. I have the "Jaws of Death" in there.Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 01:46:55 PM
Coolio! I have just asked the Navigatro to plot a course for Ohio. Where is your nearest major water inlet? How long of a land journey from there to your pad Nate?Hell yeah! I even let you use my shop also. I have the "Jaws of Death" in there.Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 01:49:23 PM
You will have to hit the Great Lakes. After that, about 6 to 8 hours over land.Coolio! I have just asked the Navigatro to plot a course for Ohio. Where is your nearest major water inlet? How long of a land journey from there to your pad Nate?Hell yeah! I even let you use my shop also. I have the "Jaws of Death" in there.Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 01:53:21 PM
6 to 8 hours with or without mules? I have 2 mules stored in torpedo tube 3 - they were alive last time I changed their hay in March.You will have to hit the Great Lakes. After that, about 6 to 8 hours over land.Coolio! I have just asked the Navigatro to plot a course for Ohio. Where is your nearest major water inlet? How long of a land journey from there to your pad Nate?Hell yeah! I even let you use my shop also. I have the "Jaws of Death" in there.Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 01:55:32 PM
LMAO!6 to 8 hours with or without mules? I have 2 mules stored in torpedo tube 3 - they were alive last time I changed their hay in March.You will have to hit the Great Lakes. After that, about 6 to 8 hours over land.Coolio! I have just asked the Navigatro to plot a course for Ohio. Where is your nearest major water inlet? How long of a land journey from there to your pad Nate?Hell yeah! I even let you use my shop also. I have the "Jaws of Death" in there.Can I have my own room with a big window Nate? And space for all my books and music and posters and tools? And a reading chair, and a work bench and a porch to sit on and play guitar until the birds die?Come to Ohio Mags. Plenty of room here. Lots of beef, deer, trees, hell, even the chickens run wild. Well until a bear or a coyote eats them.Yeah, but we pay an enormous amount of tax to our 'official' family and pick up the tab when one of their castles burns down a bit - we pay their wages and are still expected to kneel before them and overlook the terrible way they live their lives. If they were featured on a reality tv show like Benefits street we'd be horrified at their actions. Instead all our national ire is cast downwards at poor and vunerable people instead of the spongers at the top. Sorry, politics disengaged. Need more cake.In the UK we have people with the surname Featherstonehaugh. Most people would read that as Feather Stone Haugh. But no. In our stupid language this is pronounced.................. Fanshaw :facepalm:
I think we need a massive overhaul of our language. The direction that younger people are taking it with text and computer slang is refreshing and a return to the flexible approach our ancestors took.
I'm finding it increasingly frustrating to feel ok about this country, the more I delve into our sordid past and present. I think I would like to move to Northern Europe where they have sensible ideas about things and aren't in thrall to a family and a 'ruling class' of spongers, land bandits and tax dodgers. Politics over. I need some cake.
You will find gangcesters, sponcegers and dodcegers everywhere.
We could try the Warpstorm. But you know how unpredictable it gets sometimes.
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 02:01:41 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
Yeah, I've still got 5 arms and a barnacle encrusted lower half from the last warpstorm attempt. U Boat and Mules it is! Put the kettle on in 5 or 6 weeks and I'll bring the Jaffa cakes.:salute:
Post by: pomsbz on November 16, 2017, 02:30:25 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 16, 2017, 04:32:28 PM
Medical Bill brought me his mini Mini tool to clear it all out.
At least now we know what clogged the tube...
Donkeys and their p00...
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 04:41:25 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 16, 2017, 05:27:17 PM
I hereby declare this thread off the rails! :DWait, we are still talking about grammar and language, so its still fairly close to the original subject. Considering this is MT.O, I would think that with over 200 replies, that just might be the longest thread where we stayed precisely on topic. :P
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 05:35:11 PM
Mags and I went off topic for a few post. Ohio, Warpstorm and a wild chickens. You know, the usual. :rofl:I hereby declare this thread off the rails! :DWait, we are still talking about grammar and language, so its still fairly close to the original subject. Considering this is MT.O, I would think that with over 200 replies, that just might be the longest thread where we stayed precisely on topic. :P
Post by: kkokkolis on November 16, 2017, 06:11:53 PM
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Funny, the one word I didn't have in my vocabulary, "musings" from the original title, seems to be derived from the Greek word "Mousa". It's the same word "music" comes from. I'll add it now I that I know what it means. MTO makes me speak better English as it seems.You and me too. :rofl:
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
I think that it's come sort of culture reference to something I've never heard of. :think:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
What, torpedo tubes?Funny, the one word I didn't have in my vocabulary, "musings" from the original title, seems to be derived from the Greek word "Mousa". It's the same word "music" comes from. I'll add it now I that I know what it means. MTO makes me speak better English as it seems.You and me too. :rofl:
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
I think that it's come sort of culture reference to something I've never heard of. :think:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 06:48:00 PM
Namely(for me), warpstorm and it's effects. :ahhhWhat, torpedo tubes?Funny, the one word I didn't have in my vocabulary, "musings" from the original title, seems to be derived from the Greek word "Mousa". It's the same word "music" comes from. I'll add it now I that I know what it means. MTO makes me speak better English as it seems.You and me too. :rofl:
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
I think that it's come sort of culture reference to something I've never heard of. :think:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 16, 2017, 06:51:57 PM
Warhammer 40K. It is where the Dark Gods of Chaos lurk.Namely(for me), warpstorm and it's effects. :ahhhWhat, torpedo tubes?Funny, the one word I didn't have in my vocabulary, "musings" from the original title, seems to be derived from the Greek word "Mousa". It's the same word "music" comes from. I'll add it now I that I know what it means. MTO makes me speak better English as it seems.You and me too. :rofl:
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
I think that it's come sort of culture reference to something I've never heard of. :think:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 07:16:20 PM
:ahhhWarhammer 40K. It is where the Dark Gods of Chaos lurk.Namely(for me), warpstorm and it's effects. :ahhhWhat, torpedo tubes?Funny, the one word I didn't have in my vocabulary, "musings" from the original title, seems to be derived from the Greek word "Mousa". It's the same word "music" comes from. I'll add it now I that I know what it means. MTO makes me speak better English as it seems.You and me too. :rofl:
On the other hand, all the dialogue (or dialog??? ??? , another Greek word btw) about torpedo tubes and such, is completely incomprenhensible.
I think that it's come sort of culture reference to something I've never heard of. :think:
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 07:30:01 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 07:31:37 PM
Where can I run now?!
Post by: pfrsantos on November 16, 2017, 07:33:58 PM
Noo noo nooo.... :ahhh
Where can I run now?!
Run?! Why run?!
Show content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2fihvzCJ3A
>:D >:D >:D >:D
>:D >:D >:D >:D
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 07:57:38 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 08:01:22 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 16, 2017, 09:46:17 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/48/67/d74867ef1cf325849deeb048e631ddcf.gif)
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 16, 2017, 09:49:29 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 09:52:48 PM
Post by: magentus on November 16, 2017, 09:59:20 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 16, 2017, 10:01:14 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 16, 2017, 10:03:01 PM
Post by: lister on November 16, 2017, 10:04:56 PM
https://youtu.be/EqQuihD0hoI
It somehow fits the witch burnings and arcane gods of yore. :facepalm:
Post by: Poncho65 on November 16, 2017, 10:35:12 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 16, 2017, 10:39:15 PM
Post by: Huntsman on November 16, 2017, 11:32:22 PM
See also Appletreewick, Slaithwaite, Belvoir [castle], Magdalen [college], Leominster, Mousehole, Alnwick, Fowey, Cholmondley...
OK - I know some of these - Let us know the rest H / Brits ....
Ap??; Sl??; Bee-ver; Moor-dlin; Lemster; Mows-ul ('ow' as in " 'ow' - That hurt ! " - or even mouse!! ;) ) ; Annick; Foo-ee; Ch???
And of course a famous Scottish one: Edinburra - And where I come from - as already mentioned in this thread - Woostershuh
Any more anyone ???
PS. I realised how inconsistent and difficult English pronunciation and grammar really is when my firstborn son started to speak.
He conjugated sentences and pronounced words the 'logical' way and following patterns of other words he knew
- Which sadly of course - was all wrong !! :(
Why is this ??? - Once again Merriam Webster to the rescue .....
Many languages just have one root - However English has many and has borrowed from ancient languages from all over the place.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 12:21:57 AM
eg: "I brought this online..."
Post by: Don Pablo on November 17, 2017, 12:39:47 AM
Have we mentioned bought/brought yet?:facepalm:
eg: "I brought this online..."
That's a mistake I never hope to make. :rofl:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 17, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
I bought my sister home last night!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Have we mentioned bought/brought yet?:facepalm:
eg: "I brought this online..."
That's a mistake I never hope to make. :rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 09:05:49 AM
And the other way is better? :pok:I bought my sister home last night!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Have we mentioned bought/brought yet?:facepalm:
eg: "I brought this online..."
That's a mistake I never hope to make. :rofl:
Post by: PTRSAK on November 17, 2017, 10:31:54 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Whatever you guys are doing I think this should play while you do it:
https://youtu.be/EqQuihD0hoI
It somehow fits the witch burnings and arcane gods of yore. :facepalm:
Please, that's too scary! Not to scary, nor two scary...
Why not something more cheerful?
Remember Noddy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjc8Iq2JuEY
Show content
Of course, you might prefer a more grownup version. From the portuguese group Moonspell, in a Gato Fedorento show. Gato Fedorento is like Monty Python but on a more modest scale.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2OTs_QS90
>:D >:D >:D >:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E2OTs_QS90
>:D >:D >:D >:D
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 11:22:39 AM
And the other way is better? :pok:I bought my sister home last night!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Have we mentioned bought/brought yet?:facepalm:
eg: "I brought this online..."
That's a mistake I never hope to make. :rofl:
It's spelt "Hand thee otter whey ease butter".
:pok: :pok:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 11:23:27 AM
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 01:16:08 PM
???
(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/64/78/2e/64782e6c97fcf6fd6c7e15997ef32035.jpg)
Post by: AlephZero on November 17, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
Post by: lister on November 17, 2017, 03:24:40 PM
I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 06:10:00 PM
I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
All your topic r belong to us!
:D :D :D :D
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 06:12:46 PM
Well, guess what? There's in fact a Letterkenny in Ontario, Canada, but it's only a road! The real town of Letterkenny is in Ireland! No wonder I didn't understand those canucks!
:facepalm:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 17, 2017, 06:21:48 PM
:rofl:I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
All your topic r belong to us!
:D :D :D :D
Beat me to it! :rant:
Post by: pfrsantos on November 17, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
:rofl:I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
All your topic r belong to us!
:D :D :D :D
Beat me to it! :rant:
Pwned!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: ducttapetech on November 17, 2017, 06:41:43 PM
By a noob even..... :facepalm::rofl:I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
All your topic r belong to us!
:D :D :D :D
Beat me to it! :rant:
Pwned!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: AlephZero on November 17, 2017, 08:00:28 PM
What is this thread's off topic level?
It's over 9000!
What 9000?
:facepalm:
Post by: kkokkolis on November 17, 2017, 08:18:42 PM
There is more: advice or advise? Center or centre (that's Greek too and we spell it centro). Monrogue or Monrog? Archaeology or archeology (another Greek, ae is the original spelling). Counsellor or counselor? Disk or disc (we use k in the Greek original). Aeroplane or airplane (Greek original is Ae). Chamomile or camomile (Greek again, original is Ch).
My particular problem is that I learned British English at school, forgot most of them before connecting to the internet in the late '90s and then I was exposed to a mostly American English medical literature and internet information load. And I use this filtered by my own mental translator from Greek to a version of Vulgar English, enriched by a lot of internationalized Greek words and an underlying structure of Greek syntax that isn't always compatible with the English internetian lingua franca.
If we were not living the age of communication (starting with telegraph and now going through the internet age), American English would be evolving gradually to a new language after some centuries.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 08:32:12 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 08:33:34 PM
Git gud scrub. So salty.By a noob even..... :facepalm::rofl:I believe we are off topic now :whistle: :rofl:
I believe we're so off topic we can't see the topic anymore...
:facepalm:
We come in peace,take us to your topic! :angel:
All your topic r belong to us!
:D :D :D :D
Beat me to it! :rant:
Pwned!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Ron Who on November 17, 2017, 08:37:34 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 17, 2017, 08:46:32 PM
Regarding Greek words (around 5% of English vocabulary, but a larger percent in technical and scientific regimens), British are closer to written Greek and American are closer to pronounced Greek.
Post by: raistlin65 on November 17, 2017, 09:01:22 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 17, 2017, 09:03:04 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on November 17, 2017, 09:04:59 PM
No idea what you're talking about at awl...
See? Y'awl do this kind of thing constantly. :rant:
Post by: Mechanickal on November 17, 2017, 10:07:03 PM
No idea what you're talking about at awl...
See? Y'awl do this kind of thing awl the time. :rant:
FTFY'awl
Post by: Poncho65 on November 17, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
Post by: AlephZero on November 17, 2017, 10:20:35 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 17, 2017, 10:35:28 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on November 17, 2017, 10:41:03 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on November 17, 2017, 10:42:12 PM
No idea what you're tawlking about at awl...FTFY
Post by: kkokkolis on November 17, 2017, 11:07:03 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 17, 2017, 11:28:00 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 18, 2017, 12:02:23 AM
Awloha!
Post by: zoidberg on November 18, 2017, 06:39:54 AM
Post by: AlephZero on November 18, 2017, 07:23:16 AM
Lawlng week huh. ;) :)
FTFY
Post by: kkokkolis on November 18, 2017, 09:18:08 AM
Post by: redmond on November 18, 2017, 10:06:47 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 18, 2017, 10:09:42 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on November 19, 2017, 11:27:58 AM
And remember: y'awl is singular. Awl y'awl is plural.I was wondering about that :rofl:
Post by: Aloha on November 19, 2017, 03:32:47 PM
And remember: y'awl is singular. Awl y'awl is plural.I was wondering about that :rofl:
:rofl:
Funniest smurf Redmond.
Post by: Don Pablo on November 19, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 03:13:31 PM
1st: It is Dominoes or Dominos?
This isn't the same as Dice and
2nd: The Great Slade songs (partial list)
Auld Lang Syne (That's traditional, but what does it mean? ??? )
Boyz (Instrumental)
Cheap 'n' Nasty Luv
Coz I Luv You
Cum On Feel the Noize
I Won't Let It 'Appen Agen
I'm Mee, I'm Now, an' That's Orl
Kill 'Em at the Hot Club Tonite
Lemme Love into Ya
Look at Last Nite
Look Wot You Dun
Mama Weer All Crazee Now
Myzsterious Mizster Jones
Skweeze Me, Pleeze Me
Take Me Bak 'Ome
The Whole World's Goin' Crazee
You Boyz Make Big Noize
Post by: pomsbz on November 20, 2017, 04:07:37 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 20, 2017, 05:05:28 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 05:30:51 PM
Domino's Pizza is genitive (second) case, not plural. But in internet addresses it looks like Dominos because they don't use apostrophe there.
Post by: raistlin65 on November 20, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
I solved that one. Dominos is the plural of Domino in French!
Domino's Pizza is genitive (second) case, not plural. But in internet addresses it looks like Dominos because they don't use apostrophe there.
In the US, normal usage is to call that possessive case. Probably wouldn't hear the term genitive case in analyzing English unless studying linguistics. Not saying it's incorrect to call it genitive. Just not used.
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 05:46:43 PM
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 20, 2017, 06:03:40 PM
Genitive (γενική) is how we call it i my country, since ancient times. But I found it it in English speaking Wikipedia also.
Yeah, i didn't call it genitive until i learned German, we're taught possessive case
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2017, 06:46:59 PM
Leave it to the Americans to be incompatible with the rest of the world (inches, ounces, fahrenheit). It´s The American Way.
Post by: AlephZero on November 20, 2017, 07:32:32 PM
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
Grammatical cases
The grammatical cases perform important grammatical functions.
Nominative
The basic form of the noun
Characteristic ending: none in the singular
'talo' = 'a/the house'
'kirja' = 'book'
'mäki' = 'hill'
'vesi' = 'water'
Genitive
Characteristic ending: -n possibly modified by consonant gradation: mäki → mäen, talo → talon. For the nouns and adjectives that have two vowel stems, the weak vowel stem comes from the genitive singular.
The genitive indicates possession. It is also used preceding postpositions. However, it is homophonous (but not cognate) to the accusative, which may cause some confusion.
"kirja|n kuvat" = "the pictures in the book"
"talo|n seinät" = "the walls of the house"
"mäe|n päällä" = "on top of the hill"
"vede|n alla" = "under water"
Finnish also uses possessive affixes together with the genitive case
"häne|n talo|nsa" = "her/his house(s)"
Accusative
This case marks direct objects. The accusative indicates telicity; that is, the object has been finalized or the intended action is done. Note that a morphologically distinct accusative case exists in Finnish only for the following pronouns:
Singular
minut = me
sinut = you
Teidät = you (polite)
hänet = him/her
Plural
meidät = us
teidät = you
heidät = them
Question
kenet = whom
In contrast, regular nouns do not have a distinct accusative case. Instead, singular direct objects look like the genitive in direct address (Tuon maton "I'll bring the carpet") and in the nominative with both imperatives (Tuo matto! "Bring the carpet!") and passives (Matto on tuotu "The carpet has been brought"). Plural direct objects always appear in the nominative plural.
Traditionally, Finnish grammars have considered, on syntactic grounds, the accusative to be a case unto itself, despite its being identical to the nominative or genitive case. The recently published major Finnish grammar, Iso suomen kielioppi, takes a morphological point of view and does not list the accusative except for the personal pronouns and kuka, while at the same time acknowledging the argument for the traditional view. The existence or nonexistence of an accusative case in Finnish thus depends on one's point of view. Historically, the similarity of the accusative and genitive endings is coincidental. The older accusative ending was -m, but in modern Finnish an m has become an n when it is the last sound of a word.
Partitive
Characteristic ending: -ta/-tä, where the 't' elides if intervocalic. The consonant stem of a noun (if any) comes from the partitive singular. Otherwise the ending is added to the strong vowel stem.
The basic meaning of this case is a lack of telicity, that is, it is not indicated whether the intended result has been achieved. For example, Join vettä "I drank water-part." indicates that there is possibly some water left, while the accusative Join veden indicates all water has been consumed. It is not perfectivity. The partitive is the second most common case in Finnish. It has also other uses:
After numerals, except number 1:
'kolme talo|a' = 'three houses'
'kaksi las|ta' = 'two children'
For incomplete actions and ongoing processes whose ending or end result is unknown (the partitive object):
"luen kirja|a" = "I'm reading a book"
"hän opetti minu|a lukemaan" = "s/he was teaching me to read"
"rakastan sinu|a" = "I love you"
"ajattelin huomis|ta" = "I thought about tomorrow"
With nouns of indefinite number or substance nouns (the partitive object):
"onko teillä kirjo|j|a?" = "do you have any books ?"
"haluan vet|tä" = "I want some water"
For negative statements and for tentative enquiries (the partitive object):
"talossa ei ole yhtään kirjaa" = "there is not a book in the house"
"en nähnyt hän|tä" = "I didn't see him/her"
"saanko lainata kirjaa?" = "can I borrow the book?"
With prepositions
"ennen mäke|ä" = "before the hill"
"ilman takki|a" = "without a coat"
Very rarely indicates location (coming from/ being found somewhere):
"rann|empa|a" = "closer to the shore"
"länn|empä|ä" = "further west"
The formation of the partitive plural is rather variable, but the basic principle is to add '-i-' to the inflecting stem, followed by the '-(t)a' partitive ending. However, in a similar way to verb imperfects, the '-i-' can cause changes to the final vowel of the stem, leading to an apparent diversity of forms.
Locative cases
The most important function of the locative cases is to indicate location. They are also used for miscellaneous case government, much like prepositions in other languages. For example, the suffix -lla as a locative means "on top", but may function as an instrumental case, e.g. kirjoitan kynällä "I write with a pen".
Two different kinds of suffixes are used, the internal locatives (-s-) and the external locatives (-l-).
The word in a locative case refers to the verb, for example, in Sovitan housuja ikkunassa the word ikkunassa "in the window" refers to the verb sovitan "I try on", not to the adjacent noun housuja "pants". The sentence reads out as "I'm in the window, trying on pants". However, in context due to the instrumental nature of the window and the word order, the sentence stands for "I'm trying on pants (on display) in the window".
Internal locatives
Inessive
Characteristic ending -ssa/-ssä added to the weak vowel stem
The first of the six so-called "local" cases, which as their basic meaning correspond to locational prepositions in English. The inessive carries the basic meaning "inside" or "in"
"talo|ssa" = "in the house"
It is also commonplace to indicate time or immediate contact with the inessive
"joulukuu|ssa" = "in December"
"joulukuuse|ssa" = "on the Christmas tree"
Elative
Characteristic ending -sta/-stä added to the weak vowel stem
The second of the local cases, with the basic meaning of "coming out from inside" or "out of"
"tuli talo|sta" = "(he) came out of the house"
Like the inessive, the elative can also be used to indicate time or immediate contact. Can also indicate origin or cause.
"viime joulu|sta lähtien" = "since last Christmas"
"nouse sängy|stä" = "get out of the bed"
"tehty villa|sta" = "made of wool"
"vihreänä kateude|sta" = "green with envy"
Illative
The ending is usually -Vn, where V indicates the preceding vowel of the stem. Singular forms use the strong stem form. In cases where the genitive stem already ends in a long vowel the ending is -seen (singular) and -siin (plural). However, for words of one syllable the ending is always -hVn and this form is also used in plural forms where the plural stem already contains a vowel (other than i ) immediately before the plural i.
Some dialects, such as Pohjanmaa, use the -hVn more generally.
This is the third of the local cases, with the basic meaning "into"
"meni talo|on" = "(he) went into the house" - regular formation from talo -Vn
"vete|en" = into the water" - regular formation from vesi, strong singular stem vete- -Vn
"vesi|in" = into the waters" - regular formation from vesi, plural stem vesi- -Vn
"kuu|hun" = "to the moon" - single syllable variation -hVn
"Lontoo|seen" = "to London" - long vowel stem variation from Lontoo (London) -seen
"kaunii|seen talo|on" ="into the beautiful house" -kaunis has singular stem -kaunii- therefore -seen variation
"kaunii|siin taloi|hin" ="into the beautiful houses" - plural -siin because of singular -seen and plural -hVn due to the additional vowel i in the plural stem "taloi"
The illative can also indicate close contact, time or cause
"huomise|en" = "until tomorrow" (from huominen)
"kevää|seen" = "until spring" (from kevät)
"kylmä|än voi kuolla" = "one can die of cold"
External locatives
Adessive
Characteristic ending -lla/-llä added to the weak vowel stem
The fourth of the local cases, with the basic meaning 'on top of' or 'in close proximity of'
"mäe|llä" = "on the hill"
"ove|lla" = "at the door"
Adessive is also commonly used with the verb 'olla' to indicate possession
"minu|lla on kirja" = "I have a book"
It can also indicate time, instrument, means or way
"aamu|lla" = "in the morning"
"bussi|lla" = "by bus"
"vasara|lla" = "with a hammer"
"kävellä varpa|i|lla|an" = "to walk on tiptoe/ on one's toes"
Ablative
Characteristic ending -lta/-ltä added to the weak vowel stem
The fifth of the local cases, with the basic meaning "from off of" - a poor English equivalent, but necessary to distinguish it from "from out of", which would be elative.
"mäe|ltä" = "from (off) the hill"
"nousin sohva|lta" = "(I) got up from the sofa"
"Liisa sai kirjan minu|lta" = "Liisa got the book from me"
The ablative can also indicate time and it can be used to convey information about qualities
"kahdeksa|lta" = "at eight (o'clock)"
"hän on ulkonäö|ltä|än miellyttävä" = (freely:)"she has a pleasant appearance"
Allative
Characteristic ending -lle added to the weak vowel stem
The sixth of the local cases, with the basic meaning "onto".
"mäe|lle" = "onto the hill"
Another meaning is "to someone" or "for someone"
"minä annan kirjan Liisa|lle" = "I give the book to Liisa"
"pöytä kahde|lle" = "a table for two"
With verbs of sensation, it is possible to use either the ablative or allative case
"tuoksuu hyvä|ltä/ hyvä|lle" = "(it) smells good"
"General locatives" and other cases
The name "general locatives" is sometimes used of the essive and translative cases (as well as partitive above) because their oldest meanings imply that they have been used to indicate location.
Essive
Characteristic ending -na. If the noun or adjective has two vowel stems, the strong vowel stem comes from the essive singular. NB the consonant stem used to be quite common in the essive, and some nouns and adjectives still have this feature.
This case sometimes carries the meaning of a temporary state of being, often equivalent to the English "as a ..."
"lapse|na" = "as a child", "when (I) was a child"
"vete|nä" = "as water"
"pien|i|nä palas|i|na" = "in small pieces"
"se on täyn|nä" = "it is full"
The essive is also used for the time when something takes place, but only in calendar time, not clock time:
"huomen|na" = "tomorrow"
"maanantai|na" = "on Monday"
"kuudente|na joulukuuta" = "on the 6th of December" (Finnish independence day).
"tä|nä vuon|na" = "this year"
In ancient Finnish, essive had a locative sense, which can still be seen in some words, one special case being words expressing comparative location:
"koto|na" = "at home" (koto being an archaic form of koti, still current in some dialects)
"ulko|na" = "outside; out of doors"
"taka|na" = "behind (something)"
"läh|empä|nä" = "nearer"
"rann|empa|na" = "closer to the shore"
"länn|empä|nä" = "further west"
Translative
Characteristic ending -ksi added to the weak vowel stem. The ending is -kse- before a possessive suffix.
This is the counterpart of the essive, with the basic meaning of a change of state. Examples:
"maalaa se punaise|ksi" = "paint it red"
"tunnen itseni väsynee|ksi" = "I feel tired".
"se muuttui vede|ksi" = "it turned into water"
Also has a meaning similar to English "for a ..."
"mäki on englanni|ksi 'hill'" = (literally:) "'hill' is English for mäki"
"toistaise|ksi" = "for the time being", "for now"
"suunnitelmia perjantai|ksi" = "plans for Friday"
"valmis perjantai|ksi" = "ready by Friday"
"mitä sinä teet työ|kse|si?" = "what do you do for a living?"
Rarely indicates location (going somewhere):
"läh|emmä|ksi" = "(moving) nearer to"
"rann|emma|ksi" = "closer to the shore"
"länn|emmä|ksi" = "further west"
Instructive
Characteristic ending -n added usually (but not always) to plural stem
This has the basic meaning of "by means of". It is a comparatively rarely used case, mostly used in fixed expressions and with a very few exceptions always in the plural.
"omi|n silmi|n" = "with (my) own eyes"
"käsi|n" = "by hand"
"jalokivi|n koristeltu" = "decorated with jewels"
"rinta rinna|n = "side by side"
"jala|n" = "by foot"
It is also used with verbal second infinitives to mean "by ...ing", for example
"lentäen" = "by flying", "by air"
Abessive
Characteristic ending -tta
This has the basic meaning of "without". This case is a rarely used by itself, especially in the spoken language, but is found in some expressions and proverbs.
"joka kuri|tta kasvaa, se kunnia|tta kuolee" = "who grows up without discipline, dies without honor"
However, abessive is quite common in combination with the third infinitive (-ma-, -mä-).
"syömättä" = "without eating"
"tekemättä" = "without doing"
"... lukuun ottamatta" = "without taking into account..."
Comitative
Characteristic ending -ine (plus a possessive suffix for nouns but none for adjectives). This ending is added to the plural stem, even if the noun is singular, which may cause ambiguity.
This is a rarely used case, especially in the spoken language. The meaning is "in the company of" or "together with"
"talo kirjo|ine|en" = "the house with its books" or "book"
"hän saapui kauni|ine vaimo|ine|en" = "he arrived together with his beautiful wife" or "wives"
"The school is now closed while the students slowly go insane... Thank you for your co-operation!"
>:D >:D >:D
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2017, 07:51:40 PM
Post by: AlephZero on November 20, 2017, 07:53:23 PM
Are there many illiterate people in Finland?
Not really, basicly 100% literacy rate, why? :pok:
:D
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2017, 07:55:20 PM
Are there many illiterate people in Finland?
Not really, basicly 100% literacy rate, why? :pok:
:D
Just wondering whether illiteracy and complexity of the grammar are related.
Post by: Dutch_Tooler on November 20, 2017, 07:56:31 PM
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Post by: raistlin65 on November 20, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
Genitive (γενική) is how we call it i my country, since ancient times. But I found it it in English speaking Wikipedia also.
No doubt it's in Wikipedia. However, no one is taught the term in the US as part of learning English. For example, here is the Purdue University OWL's page (great grammar resource) on pronoun case:
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/595/02/ Only says possessive case.
Here is information over at Grammar Girl about how the name change from genitive to possessive came about in the 18th century:
http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/possessives
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2017, 08:09:02 PM
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 08:26:37 PM
In Greek, a variety of genitive is called "genitive possessive".
There are other varieties, such us "abstract", "original", "divisional", of "creator", "time", "locality", "cause", "matter", "content", "difference" (comparative), "property", "worth", "purpose", "objective", "subjective", "peremptory".
I could learn bones and nerves easier, that's why I became a doctor. My wife teaches that though.
Modern Greek (Demotic) is a simplified version of Byzantine Greek, which were a simplified version of Koene, with foreign influences from East and West. For 150 years Greeks were bilinguals, speaking Demotic at home and on the street and Katharevousa at academic, official and formal settings. Katharevousa was a modern adaptation of Ancient Greek (Attic and Koene) with Demotic. It was a PITA to learn proper Kathareousa and be bilingual in your own country (like when Italians had to speak Italian and Latin in a similar manner). Iliteracy fell considerably after Katharevousa was dropped, starting after 1976.
Post by: AlephZero on November 20, 2017, 08:38:10 PM
Finnish sound to me like a mix of Turkish (you even have a Turku there), general Scandinavian a little bit of something else (some Baltic language or Russian?).
In Greek, a variety of genitive is called "genitive possessive".
There are other varieties, such us "abstract", "original", "divisional", of "creator", "time", "locality", "cause", "matter", "content", "difference" (comparative), "property", "worth", "purpose", "objective", "subjective", "peremptory".
I could learn bones and nerves easier, that's why I became a doctor. My wife teaches that though.
Nope, not Turkish, Finnic and in a broader sense, Fenno-Ugric :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnic_languages
Finnish, Estonian, Karelian, Livonian, Ingrian, Votic, Veps, and lot of small languages around area, also Sami is related
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 08:42:16 PM
Post by: AlephZero on November 20, 2017, 08:50:51 PM
Post by: Ron Who on November 20, 2017, 08:55:58 PM
There are some Turkish loan words left from the wars where Carolus Rex took finnish troops with him all the way against the Ottomans, hence the word "Kalabaliikki" in even current Finnish, which came from "Kalabalik of Bender" as in "In Turkish the word for "crowd" or "tumult" is kalabalık, which after the incident has become a Swedish and Finnish loanword, kalabalik, with the meaning "confusion" or "great disorder"."
In Dutch, the word is kabaal.
Post by: AlephZero on November 20, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
There are some Turkish loan words left from the wars where Carolus Rex took finnish troops with him all the way against the Ottomans, hence the word "Kalabaliikki" in even current Finnish, which came from "Kalabalik of Bender" as in "In Turkish the word for "crowd" or "tumult" is kalabalık, which after the incident has become a Swedish and Finnish loanword, kalabalik, with the meaning "confusion" or "great disorder"."
In Dutch, the word is kabaal.
I wouldn't be surprised that Dutch soldiers were involved somehow
Post by: kkokkolis on November 20, 2017, 09:45:56 PM
https://el.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%BA%CE%B9
Don’t ask about our interaction with the Turks (and Arabs and Persians before them). It’s a long, long, long story.
Post by: Mechanickal on November 20, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
Grammatical cases
The grammatical cases perform important grammatical functions.
...
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tldr1.gif)
Post by: Poncho65 on November 20, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
Kind of lost me :ahhh :D
Post by: Don Pablo on November 21, 2017, 12:01:18 AM
Post by: raistlin65 on November 21, 2017, 12:12:32 AM
I have no idea what you guys are talking about now :facepalm: :rofl:
Kind of lost me :ahhh :D
Maybe we need to get everyone to talk about some grammar lessons from The Oatmeal, such as 10 Words You Need to Stop Misspelling (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling).
I particularly like this one:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/misspelling/lose.png)
:D
Post by: Poncho65 on November 21, 2017, 12:24:03 AM
I have no idea what you guys are talking about now :facepalm: :rofl:
Kind of lost me :ahhh :D
Maybe we need to get everyone to talk about some grammar lessons from The Oatmeal, such as 10 Words You Need to Stop Misspelling (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling).
I particularly like this one:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/misspelling/lose.png)
:D
:rofl:
I usually try and spell the Most commonly misspelled words correctly :tu:
Post by: lister on November 21, 2017, 10:10:52 AM
Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
15 cases huh? That's ... impressive. :ahhh
We only have 6. But it helps that we have 3 grammatical genders (male also further divides in to living and non living things (though what is living and what isn't is determined by culture, robot for example is a living thing)), three grammatatical numbers (singular, dual and plural), that there are a few ways of grammatical declension (didn't know that word in English before... :D) for each group and that there are of course exceptions. :facepalm: My way of dealing with that clustersmurf was to read a lot and thus never really have to learn to much about how to use declension. The same strategy that worked for me for English language. :D
Also, just for the reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_declension
Post by: Etherealicer on November 21, 2017, 02:04:42 PM
Fairly sure he means 15 cases of vodka... I believe that is called the weekend iron-ration.Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
15 cases huh? That's ... impressive. :ahhh
We only have 6. But it helps that we have 3 grammatical genders (male also further divides in to living and non living things (though what is living and what isn't is determined by culture, robot for example is a living thing)), three grammatatical numbers (singular, dual and plural), that there are a few ways of grammatical declension (didn't know that word in English before... :D) for each group and that there are of course exceptions. :facepalm: My way of dealing with that clustersmurf was to read a lot and thus never really have to learn to much about how to use declension. The same strategy that worked for me for English language. :D
Also, just for the reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_declension
Post by: AlephZero on November 21, 2017, 02:29:39 PM
Fairly sure he means 15 cases of vodka... I believe that is called the weekend iron-ration.Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
15 cases huh? That's ... impressive. :ahhh
We only have 6. But it helps that we have 3 grammatical genders (male also further divides in to living and non living things (though what is living and what isn't is determined by culture, robot for example is a living thing)), three grammatatical numbers (singular, dual and plural), that there are a few ways of grammatical declension (didn't know that word in English before... :D) for each group and that there are of course exceptions. :facepalm: My way of dealing with that clustersmurf was to read a lot and thus never really have to learn to much about how to use declension. The same strategy that worked for me for English language. :D
Also, just for the reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_declension
:rofl:
Cases of beer, I don't drink vodka ;)
:cheers:
Post by: lister on November 21, 2017, 02:42:06 PM
Fairly sure he means 15 cases of vodka... I believe that is called the weekend iron-ration.Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
15 cases huh? That's ... impressive. :ahhh
We only have 6. But it helps that we have 3 grammatical genders (male also further divides in to living and non living things (though what is living and what isn't is determined by culture, robot for example is a living thing)), three grammatatical numbers (singular, dual and plural), that there are a few ways of grammatical declension (didn't know that word in English before... :D) for each group and that there are of course exceptions. :facepalm: My way of dealing with that clustersmurf was to read a lot and thus never really have to learn to much about how to use declension. The same strategy that worked for me for English language. :D
Also, just for the reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_declension
:rofl:
Cases of beer, I don't drink vodka ;)
:cheers:
I don't think this is how you are supposed to finnish... :pok:
:D
Post by: AlephZero on November 21, 2017, 03:12:35 PM
Fairly sure he means 15 cases of vodka... I believe that is called the weekend iron-ration.Oh it's German, how cute, with all their Genitives an such...
Here's something about the 15 cases of Finnish language... >:D
15 cases huh? That's ... impressive. :ahhh
We only have 6. But it helps that we have 3 grammatical genders (male also further divides in to living and non living things (though what is living and what isn't is determined by culture, robot for example is a living thing)), three grammatatical numbers (singular, dual and plural), that there are a few ways of grammatical declension (didn't know that word in English before... :D) for each group and that there are of course exceptions. :facepalm: My way of dealing with that clustersmurf was to read a lot and thus never really have to learn to much about how to use declension. The same strategy that worked for me for English language. :D
Also, just for the reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovene_declension
:rofl:
Cases of beer, I don't drink vodka ;)
:cheers:
I don't think this is how you are supposed to finnish... :pok:
:D
Ask me again on Friday night, I'll probably be totally Finnished... :pok:
:cheers: :cheers:
Post by: raistlin65 on November 21, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
I have no idea what you guys are talking about now :facepalm: :rofl:
Kind of lost me :ahhh :D
Maybe we need to get everyone to talk about some grammar lessons from The Oatmeal, such as 10 Words You Need to Stop Misspelling (http://theoatmeal.com/comics/misspelling).
I particularly like this one:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/misspelling/lose.png)
:D
:rofl:
I usually try and spell the Most commonly misspelled words correctly :tu:
I think I usually manage to mispell the most common words incorrectly.
:rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 21, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
Post by: Ron Who on November 21, 2017, 10:22:12 PM
Not a grammar issue but rather a pronunciation one.... I'm listening to an interview on the radio with a zoo keeper who looks after orangutans and she calls them oranguTANGs. :rant:
That´s Bahasa. The words o-rang and u-tan (orange man) both with short vowels in the first syllable and emphasis on the second.
Post by: Syncop8r on November 21, 2017, 11:11:35 PM
Post by: Huntsman on November 22, 2017, 02:23:00 AM
I love language, languages, words and plays on words - and etymology - But all this stuff on cases is a bit beyond me
- I struggled with German at school - But Finish and Greek - Ouch !!
Post by: Blackbeard on November 27, 2017, 05:39:21 AM
Post by: Ron Who on November 27, 2017, 06:16:20 AM
I always get "than" and "then" usage wrongFIFY :D
Post by: Blackbeard on November 27, 2017, 06:47:07 AM
I always get "than" and "then" usage wrongFIFY :D
:facepalm: alrighty then(no idea if that's the right one)
Post by: Syncop8r on November 27, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
Post by: raistlin65 on November 27, 2017, 04:52:10 PM
I always get "than" and "then" usage wrongFIFY :D
:facepalm: alrighty then(no idea if that's the right one)
I'd rather use "than" than "then." :D
Post by: Ron Who on November 27, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on November 27, 2017, 05:36:15 PM
This one´s for keeps. :rofl:I must be dumb, I can't see what the difference is, other than swapping "then" and "than" around? :think: :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: Ron Who on November 27, 2017, 05:38:12 PM
I swapped them because Blackbeard always gets them wrong.This one´s for keeps. :rofl:I must be dumb, I can't see what the difference is, other than swapping "then" and "than" around? :think: :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: Don Pablo on November 27, 2017, 05:39:39 PM
Ah, so I was missing context. :rofl:I swapped them because Blackbeard always gets them wrong.This one´s for keeps. :rofl:I must be dumb, I can't see what the difference is, other than swapping "then" and "than" around? :think: :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on November 28, 2017, 01:04:29 PM
Not a grammar issue but rather a pronunciation one.... I'm listening to an interview on the radio with a zoo keeper who looks after orangutans and she calls them oranguTANGs. :rant:
I still do :facepalm:
In my own defense, I was 4'ish when Every Which Way but Loose came out, no idea when I saw it, but I bet I've been mispronouncing since then I bet :rofl:
Post by: Etherealicer on November 28, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Post by: lister on November 28, 2017, 04:58:37 PM
I just noticed that in an older thread I have written "mike" instead of "make" :facepalm:
Mike is a right smurf for hanging around in sentences he has no place being in! :twak:
::)
Post by: lister on November 28, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
Post by: AlephZero on November 28, 2017, 05:20:33 PM
Not a grammar issue but rather a pronunciation one.... I'm listening to an interview on the radio with a zoo keeper who looks after orangutans and she calls them oranguTANGs. :rant:
That´s Bahasa. The words o-rang and u-tan (orange man) both with short vowels in the first syllable and emphasis on the second.
Correct in that its Bahasa Indonesia (also in Malayan, btw), but it actually means "Orang" = man + "hutan" = forest ie. "Man of the Forest" (often "Old Man of the Forest")
Post by: pfrsantos on November 28, 2017, 05:23:18 PM
I always get "than" and "then" usage wrongFIFY :D
:facepalm: alrighty then(no idea if that's the right one)
I'd rather use "than" than "then." :D
I'd rather use "done" than "Dan".
:D :D
Post by: Ron Who on November 28, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
It would seem I was misinformed. I have known my ´facts´ for many a year, and passed them on to others on many occasions. A bit like fake news! :ahhhNot a grammar issue but rather a pronunciation one.... I'm listening to an interview on the radio with a zoo keeper who looks after orangutans and she calls them oranguTANGs. :rant:
That´s Bahasa. The words o-rang and u-tan (orange man) both with short vowels in the first syllable and emphasis on the second.
Correct in that its Bahasa Indonesia (also in Malayan, btw), but it actually means "Orang" = man + "hutan" = forest ie. "Man of the Forest" (often "Old Man of the Forest")
Post by: AlephZero on November 28, 2017, 06:48:38 PM
It would seem I was misinformed. I have known my ´facts´ for many a year, and passed them on to others on many occasions. A bit like fake news! :ahhhNot a grammar issue but rather a pronunciation one.... I'm listening to an interview on the radio with a zoo keeper who looks after orangutans and she calls them oranguTANGs. :rant:
That´s Bahasa. The words o-rang and u-tan (orange man) both with short vowels in the first syllable and emphasis on the second.
Correct in that its Bahasa Indonesia (also in Malayan, btw), but it actually means "Orang" = man + "hutan" = forest ie. "Man of the Forest" (often "Old Man of the Forest")
Not to worry, I had to do a fact check myself first just to be sure! :cheers:
Post by: ironraven on November 30, 2017, 05:21:35 AM
What a great thread this is - I never knew what a clever bunch of linguistical academics multitool owners were !! :pok: :o
Helps to have a common tongue. Some people want a Rosetta Stone, I give you a Swiss Army Knife.
Once you agree on "knife", we then move onto "screwdriver" and "opener". "Scissors." "Steel" and "cellidor", which leads us to Alox and contractions. And lanyards, which lead to the words for cord and knot.
Openners lead to food. Once there is food, we have to eat. That usually means someone builds a fire. FIRE! THere is a great word.
Then we talk about what we do with the tools in our hands. We make. We fix.
We reach for our pliers based tool, and agree on more words. More tasks, more fixings, more makings. More words for more things and more actions.
Add in "rust" and "sharp" and "blood" and "ow" and "stitches". These lead to talking about death, and the end, getting old, and the things we fear. And cuss words, like "white carpet".
Then we start making the knife. So we have to go back to the fire, and make a forge. Here we create from nothing! Words of praise and curiosity. We talk of life, of birth, of making thoughts physical, and the knowing of our own limits. And going past the limits we thought we had, but no one else believed in.
We have to talk about what goes into the alloys and polymers. That leads us to the periodic table. Every element. Eventually we get to where we crack a joke- never trust atoms, they make up everything. That leads to physics, which leads to lights and electronics. And the worlds of leather and nylon and bags to carry it all in.
Pure math to figure out what our EDC is worth, and words of encouragement and of condolence when we realize how much our hobby costs us. Value, and values. The price of a broken or lost tool, or the bad one we want to lose. Empathy and alliance creates brotherhood, clan, tribe, nation. These lead to rules, laws, discourse about the path of the masses vs the path of the individual, and the realization that like mankind and the blade, that the individual and society require each other, are flawed and worthless without the other.
And our differences- a screwdriver is a lousy blade, but they shouldn't shine in the dark. The difference doesn't weaken the tool, or us. They make us more useful, if we can respect each other, fit together like the implements of a SAK or a Leatherman. Words of adaptation, cooperation, and negotiation. Fairness, it's not always your day, sometimes it's someone else's turn. Sometimes you get to shine, even when you're worn and shadowed with age like the patina on carbon steel and the wear on old wood or horn handles. Respect your elders, for no one is making more (sometimes for a reason). And never forget the oddest of us is sometimes the most flexible in it's own odd ways, like the hook. The hook leads to questions, we show a question with a hook, it gives us more words of curiosity and questing and wonder. Because we've learned the language of the blade and it's sibling tools, the balance and harmony of them, we can do this.
I could put any of us any place and any place in time, with a SAK, and that could be the start of a language lesson. Think of what Otzi or the cave painters would have made of one, to speak with the guys who got in on the first floor. Or earlier. Even when the tool wasn't made for our immediate needs of the moment, we look at it, and because we speak Blade, we can see how to adapt to the situation or make something new to fit, because when you speak a language you learn to think in it. There is a great debate about which came first, language or abstract thought. I say there was language, but the blade was the first tool MADE to make other tools, not just used but crafted and shaped. It was made to make something else, it was an abstract thought given physical form not for now, but for tommorrow and we need to do then. Past and future, tracing change, rather than every day the same day.
Even when people forget, they do not. "Sharp" could mean you dress well. Or that you are witty and fast with thought. "Point", with it's many meanings. "Proof" as a sign of truth or strength. The "cutting edge". "Shiny". When we get out THERE, in the black, if we meet anyone, we'll start off with words. "Me". "You." Numbers. "Water." And "blade". "Cutting", "shaping", "making", "origion".
The language of Blade gave us all our languages, and our (scarred) thumbs, while growing and shaping our minds.
Yep.
Pretty sure most of us speak the same language here, and belong to the same civilization.
Post by: Ron Who on November 30, 2017, 06:06:46 AM
Great words!
Post by: Don Pablo on November 30, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
That could be added to the Book of MTO!
Post by: ThePeacent on November 30, 2017, 10:56:24 AM
then I re-read it and was like :o
So true. :like: :like:
Post by: Syncop8r on November 30, 2017, 11:13:26 AM
Post by: Blackbeard on November 30, 2017, 07:36:37 PM
Post by: AlephZero on November 30, 2017, 07:55:07 PM
:hatsoff:
That could be added to the Book of MTO!
I'm sure that would be the main scripture!
The Book of MTO, The Gospel by Ironraven...
Amen, brother! :cheers:
Post by: El Corkscrew on November 30, 2017, 07:57:50 PM
Post by: Steinar on November 30, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
The idea "speaking knife" reminded of an incident my linguist wife likes to tell about: On an island, two groups speaking different languages were stuck. The adults created a pidgin to communicate, but it only contained substantives, no verbs. The creole the children ended up creating together was a pretty straightforward language, and that had both substantives and verbs.
Post by: ironraven on December 01, 2017, 03:20:53 AM
@Syncop8r. :twak:
The idea "speaking knife" reminded of an incident my linguist wife likes to tell about: On an island, two groups speaking different languages were stuck. The adults created a pidgin to communicate, but it only contained substantives, no verbs. The creole the children ended up creating together was a pretty straightforward language, and that had both substantives and verbs.
I think I know the case study in question. It's how all languages grow. Two groups meet, leaders need to communicate and do business, next generation does the bigger picture. Third generation has a new language.
While there is madness in my words, there are many wisdoms in them. I do truely believe that of the First Tools (blade, fire, cord, container), the nouns created by and to serve mankind, there may well be all the lessons you need to learn in life. When I have these moments and let philosophical brain cells run rampant here, I also mail them off to friends. Who first read it, to read it. Then to read again for the humor. Then for the serious literals. Then for the serious imagery and emotives. I've been told when I"m on a roll I make granite look fluffy/ This thing has been bouncing in my head like a hangover headache all day, and even for me, I was high density last night.
Does anyone know where I posted that EDC/food chain/carrot rant a few years back? I should go looking for that.
But in the meantime, I'll let this roll around in your heads like marbles in a cement mixer: what is hemoglobin? It's mostly water. It carries oxygen and fuel. And it's got an awful lot of iron and carbon in it. And it's beaten by the muscle of the heart. What is steel? Iron and carbon. Heated with oxygen and fuel, beaten by muscles and thought, and quenched with water.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 01, 2017, 10:08:21 AM
I would like to read this if it's found. :tu:
Does anyone know where I posted that EDC/food chain/carrot rant a few years back? I should go looking for that.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 01, 2017, 10:17:18 AM
:salute:I presume its THIS (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,9225.msg1070006.html#msg1070006) oneI would like to read this if it's found. :tu:
Does anyone know where I posted that EDC/food chain/carrot rant a few years back? I should go looking for that.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 01, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
Even if it isn't... :like::salute:I presume its THIS (https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,9225.msg1070006.html#msg1070006) oneI would like to read this if it's found. :tu:
Does anyone know where I posted that EDC/food chain/carrot rant a few years back? I should go looking for that.
Post by: Syncop8r on December 01, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
@Syncop8r. :twak::pommel: I'll try to read it over the weekend when I don't have work-brain.
Post by: Steinar on December 01, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
But in the meantime, I'll let this roll around in your heads like marbles in a cement mixer: what is hemoglobin? It's mostly water. It carries oxygen and fuel. And it's got an awful lot of iron and carbon in it. And it's beaten by the muscle of the heart. What is steel? Iron and carbon. Heated with oxygen and fuel, beaten by muscles and thought, and quenched with water.
To make matters more fun: Hemoglobin is basically what you get if you take the magnesium in the center of the porphyrin group in chlorophyll and exchange it with iron. We breathe with “the same” molecule as frees the oxygen for us to breathe. :)
Post by: ironraven on December 01, 2017, 11:46:38 AM
To make matters more fun: Hemoglobin is basically what you get if you take the magnesium in the center of the porphyrin group in chlorophyll and exchange it with iron. We breathe with “the same” molecule as frees the oxygen for us to breathe. :)
Nifty. So... if cut all the iron out of my diet and replace it with magnesium, I'll turn into an Ent. :P
Post by: Kev D on December 01, 2017, 11:54:20 AM
Thanks Etherealicer, that is exactly what I was looking for. When I lost my old HDD, I also lost all my bookmarks including that one.To make matters more fun: Hemoglobin is basically what you get if you take the magnesium in the center of the porphyrin group in chlorophyll and exchange it with iron. We breathe with “the same” molecule as frees the oxygen for us to breathe. :)
Nifty. So... if cut all the iron out of my diet and replace it with magnesium, I'll turn into an Ent. :P
You'd certainly burn bright when they cremate you after death by magnesium poisoning
Post by: Don Pablo on December 01, 2017, 11:57:17 AM
At a cool 4000°F. :multi:Thanks Etherealicer, that is exactly what I was looking for. When I lost my old HDD, I also lost all my bookmarks including that one.To make matters more fun: Hemoglobin is basically what you get if you take the magnesium in the center of the porphyrin group in chlorophyll and exchange it with iron. We breathe with “the same” molecule as frees the oxygen for us to breathe. :)
Nifty. So... if cut all the iron out of my diet and replace it with magnesium, I'll turn into an Ent. :P
You'd certainly burn bright when they cremate you after death by magnesium poisoning
Post by: Ron Who on December 03, 2017, 11:15:11 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on December 04, 2017, 12:03:09 AM
Post by: Ron Who on December 04, 2017, 01:12:09 AM
I'm guessing the main problem is not so much translating the words correctly but getting the order of the words correct?
Both, and worse, like replacing verbs with nouns and vice versa, and other grammatical errors.
Translating words correctly is difficult enough, because many words have more than one meaning, depending on context and general knowledge. Both the United Nations and the AI lab at MIT have spent years and millions of dollars on automatic translation and concluded such a project was infeasible in general, although in simple, limited cases there has been some success. I was surprised when Google started this, even when their resources seem unlimited. I have never used Microsoft´s speech translation software, but I suspect it can´t be much better.
Post by: Poncho65 on December 04, 2017, 04:46:28 AM
Post by: raistlin65 on December 04, 2017, 05:04:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/70UaHwG.gif)
(http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/big_madhouse/wacko1.gif)
Post by: Ron Who on December 04, 2017, 05:20:47 AM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Post by: lister on December 04, 2017, 07:54:57 AM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Use several translators based on different technologies and compare the results? :D
Post by: Ron Who on December 04, 2017, 09:15:52 AM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Use several translators based on different technologies and compare the results? :D
Clever. I´m not sure there are any different technologies.
Post by: ThePeacent on December 04, 2017, 03:12:28 PM
Post by: lister on December 04, 2017, 03:16:12 PM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Use several translators based on different technologies and compare the results? :D
Clever. I´m not sure there are any different technologies.
O ye, of little faith:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_machine_translation_applications
:D
Post by: Ron Who on December 04, 2017, 03:44:19 PM
Post by: raistlin65 on December 04, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Sometimes we can tell by context.
I took one course in Spanish during college. It was a Spanish text translation course, no writing and speaking. Reading only. And pretty quickly, I learned to be able to read the basics from a newspaper in Spanish as long as I had a dictionary handy. It was partially because I could process the information based on context. It wasn't always perfect, but by the end of that semester, I could often get the gist of it.
Post by: ThePeacent on December 05, 2017, 07:07:58 PM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Sometimes we can tell by context.
I took one course in Spanish during college. It was a Spanish text translation course, no writing and speaking. Reading only. And pretty quickly, I learned to be able to read the basics from a newspaper in Spanish as long as I had a dictionary handy. It was partially because I could process the information based on context. It wasn't always perfect, but by the end of that semester, I could often get the gist of it.
bien, bien. :D
El Español es bastante fácil en comparación con muchas otras lenguas (Alemán, Chino, Árabe...) y bastante asequible...incluso aunque sea a través del Spanglish. :rofl:
:tu:
Post by: raistlin65 on December 06, 2017, 12:51:14 AM
I guess it gives a rough translation more than anything :think: That way a person can get the jist of it at least ::) :D
Usually, yes. But how can you be sure if you don´t know the language that´s being translated?
Sometimes we can tell by context.
I took one course in Spanish during college. It was a Spanish text translation course, no writing and speaking. Reading only. And pretty quickly, I learned to be able to read the basics from a newspaper in Spanish as long as I had a dictionary handy. It was partially because I could process the information based on context. It wasn't always perfect, but by the end of that semester, I could often get the gist of it.
bien, bien. :D
El Español es bastante fácil en comparación con muchas otras lenguas (Alemán, Chino, Árabe...) y bastante asequible...incluso aunque sea a través del Spanglish. :rofl:
:tu:
I didn't say I had a Spanish dictionary handy now. :rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on December 06, 2017, 02:01:00 AM
bien, bien. :DI don't know any Spanish, so here goes....
El Español es bastante fácil en comparación con muchas otras lenguas (Alemán, Chino, Árabe...) y bastante asequible...incluso aunque sea a través del Spanglish. :rofl:
Spanish is very? hard? in comprison to many other languages (?, Chinese, Arbaic...).... ahhh ya lost me. :shrug:
Post by: El Corkscrew on December 06, 2017, 03:11:49 AM
bien, bien. :D
El Español es bastante fácil en comparación con muchas otras lenguas (Alemán, Chino, Árabe...) y bastante asequible...incluso aunque sea a través del Spanglish.
Spanish is basically simple in comparison to many other languages, German, Chinese, Arabic and understandable including spanglish?
Post by: Syncop8r on December 06, 2017, 03:33:01 AM
Post by: ThePeacent on December 06, 2017, 12:03:14 PM
I want to try!
bien, bien. :D
El Español es bastante fácil en comparación con muchas otras lenguas (Alemán, Chino, Árabe...) y bastante asequible...incluso aunque sea a través del Spanglish.
Spanish is basically simple in comparison to many other languages, German, Chinese, Arabic and understandable including spanglish?
that's a very nice translation :hatsoff:
Post by: pfrsantos on December 06, 2017, 02:06:43 PM
Portuguese:
A língua espanhola é muito fácil de aprender e de falar em pouco tempo.
Spanholese:
La língua espanhiola és muito fiácil de apriendier e de faliar em piouco tiempo.
:facepalm:
Post by: ThePeacent on December 06, 2017, 06:30:16 PM
Pretty easy. The portuguese just put lots of Is in portuguese words and say lots of La and Lo and they convince themselves they're talking spanish...
Portuguese:
A língua espanhola é muito fácil de aprender e de falar em pouco tempo.
Spanholese:
La língua espanhiola és muito fiácil de apriendier e de faliar em piouco tiempo.
:facepalm:
Hahaha that's very true, as is the fact that we Spaniards speak Portuguese by adding -ais and -ão to the end of most words
:rofl: