Post by: LOWW on December 06, 2017, 11:19:17 AM
A Door Ram is to heavy to carry aground over a longer Distance.
Can someone recommend other Tools who are legal to own who allow me to open an Door fast?
Pls keep in mind in Europe the Doors are mostly secured with an additional Bar in the Middle and other Stuff.
I got this from Ebay: https://romantactical.com/shop/all-products/roman-tactical-break-and-rake-tool-6-foot/ thankfully I dont have to use it yet.
THX
Post by: lister on December 06, 2017, 12:15:35 PM
Or a badly driven car. Those can do quite some damage to a door I hear. :D
Post by: LOWW on December 06, 2017, 03:03:53 PM
The most doors are designs to resist an ordinary crowbar.
Post by: cody6268 on December 06, 2017, 03:26:21 PM
Without a real reason, law enforcement will be thinking that you are a thief planning a break-in.
Post by: lister on December 06, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
How to get a Car into the 4rd Floor? ::)
The most doors are designs to resist an ordinary crowbar.
I was thinking about houses not apartment buildings. :D
I don't think you can get anything legal that has more destructive potential and is man portable as a crowbar. Or maybe lock picking kit. But that requires a lot of practice. And is illegal in many countries. Or maybe bump keys. Those require less skill but are more specific, depending on the type of the lock you have to deal with.
Post by: Aloha on December 06, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
Post by: LOWW on December 06, 2017, 11:29:44 PM
b, c -> not that much. When I get in the will know about a while before. :D
It should be the choice of last resort.
Here in Europe the situation dont get better so its better to help my self.
When some neighbour get crazy and convert to the fanatic cult and plan to build an Bomb there will be just a short time to detect and neutralise the thread.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 07, 2017, 10:16:07 AM
Here in Europe the situation dont get better so its better to help my self.This worries me a bit...
When some neighbour get crazy and convert to the fanatic cult and plan to build an Bomb there will be just a short time to detect and neutralise the thread.
How do you know your neighbors are doing something bad, without invading their privacy beforehand. I must urge you not to be the guy who spies on his neighbors. Please, if you have any suspicion, hand the matter over to the authorities.
By any happenstance, would you be working in Mall security?
Post by: Mechanickal on December 07, 2017, 10:53:54 AM
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Post by: lister on December 07, 2017, 11:07:20 AM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 07, 2017, 01:30:43 PM
The fast as possible.
b, c -> not that much. When I get in the will know about a while before. :D
It should be the choice of last resort.
Here in Europe the situation dont get better so its better to help my self.
When some neighbour get crazy and convert to the fanatic cult and plan to build an Bomb there will be just a short time to detect and neutralise the thread.
Allow me to add some input, given that I have some experience in these areas.
If you are a tactical officer then you may be required to use the equipment provided by your agency as it will have been tested for effectiveness, and altering the established formula with personal equipment can cause major liability issues at best, or cause operational failure at worst. I do not recommend obtaining your own tactical response equipment without the express written consent of the agent in charge. Anything less could put you and/or your team at risk, and that is unacceptable.
If you are not a tactical officer, merely a concerned citizen then your responsibilities will never include breaching someone's door and neutralizing a threat, no matter what you see in movies. My advice for this situation is as follows:
A- You need to start with informing the local authorities of any potential threats immediately. They train for and have the equipment and support to deal with such things, and I am guessing that you do not. Acting on your own puts yourself and everyone around you at risk.
B- Your only responsibility (other than contacting authorities) in these situations is to get you and any loved ones away from any potential harm. This includes possibly moving to a better neighborhood, or, if that is not an option, a good Bug Out Bag loaded with food, water, a knife, cash, fire making equipment etc and other important survival items could be imperative, as well as having a good plan of where to go and what to do when you get there. Stashes can be important as well, in case you are unable to take your bag when you leave (ie, departing from a separate location), as well as making excellent meeting points for any loved ones that may have gotten displaced.
I don't know what country you are in, or what your personal finances, local terrain etc are like, but I would strongly suggest that you keep your equipment purchases to defense rather than offense- at least, if you still want to be alive the day after. Entirely your choice of course.
Def
Post by: LOWW on December 07, 2017, 08:06:38 PM
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without invading their privacy beforehandIf you not doing anything suspicious you dont have anything to hide ride? :think:
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Please, if you have any suspicion, hand the matter over to the authorities.You know the Riot in Hamburg during the G20 where the authorities did not very much? :whistle:
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By any happenstance, would you be working in Mall security?I know my rights. :tu:
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Fast opening of a door on any floor?Does I say without any Weapon or explosive? If not here it is.
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Well, in my part of Europe, things are all in all quite nice.You life on the right side of the Boarder. People are might not the richest from Europe but life quite safe.
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You need to start with informing the local authorities of any potential threats immediately.What happened if there arent any? Or the situation is that worse the dont care about anything?
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a good Bug Out Bag loaded with food, water, a knife, cash, fire making equipment etc and other important survival items could be imperative, as well as having a good plan of where to go and what to do when you get there.I live in an Urban Area where a good Place to hide is very rare. The only good way is stay at home and neutralise any tread.
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 07, 2017, 08:14:34 PM
Post by: LOWW on December 07, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
Do you want see my Breaking Tool who I have still home? :drool: :think:
I dont see why its bad to ask that serious question.
Just because your life Reality is different?
Post by: GuacamoleBay on December 07, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
The fast as possible.
b, c -> not that much. When I get in the will know about a while before. :D
It should be the choice of last resort.
Here in Europe the situation dont get better so its better to help my self.
When some neighbour get crazy and convert to the fanatic cult and plan to build an Bomb there will be just a short time to detect and neutralise the thread.
First of all I have to make an obligatory mall ninja comment. Second stop being so paranoid and let's be realistic, without proper training, experience, and equipment you will be completely useless in such a situation if not becoming a liability to law enforcement because they now have to save you. Get out of your Die Hardesque fantasy world and put some trust in your police and your government.
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 07, 2017, 08:30:27 PM
Post by: zoidberg on December 07, 2017, 09:02:17 PM
WTF?!
Do you want see my Breaking Tool who I have still home? :drool: :think:
I dont see why its bad to ask that serious question.
Just because your life Reality is different?
It isn't bad to ask serious questions however just as life realities can be different forums can also be different.
This forum really isn't the place for the questions you are asking here.
Post by: Mechanickal on December 07, 2017, 10:03:48 PM
We're all tool enthousiasts that enjoy talking about, using, reviewing and photographing our tools while helping us during our daily life.
We're not the kind of people who take matters into our own hands and start kicking in doors.
If you're preparing for a doomsday scenario, there are forums for that too.
Post by: Ron Who on December 07, 2017, 10:38:29 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 07, 2017, 11:17:31 PM
Obviously, you don'tQuoteBy any happenstance, would you be working in Mall security?I know my rights. :tu:
spying on your neighbors and invading their privacy is NOT LEGAL
breaching someones door is NOT LEGAL
and "eliminating" the threat is NOT LEGAL
You understand, that by your very own definition, one of your neighbors should kick your door in. After all, you stockpile food, have weapons and breaching tools and admit that you would invade their home at any sign you deem suspicious. All hallmarks of a member of a fanatic cult.
Other than that, the Gerber Ding-Dong always gets my vote... has the best name and comes in fantastic tactical black :facepalm: :rofl:
Post by: Vidar on December 08, 2017, 08:18:39 AM
When some neighbour get crazy and convert to the fanatic cult and plan to build an Bomb there will be just a short time to detect and neutralise the thread.
OK, I'll bite :)
I don't have much experience with neighboors going fanatic or cultish, and I have no idea what they are planning, but I doubt whatever it is it will not be an abrupt sudden change that defends or requires any immediate action? Chances are you're the actual problem by the sound of it.
I know there are places in this world were authorities and legal protection is simply not working. If that is indeed the case you might want to move if at all possible. If that is not possible might I suggest that going on a one-man crusade with a glorified crowbar against people you think are heavily armed and planning to do harm does not sound like a good idea.
I'm with GDoolittle on this one.
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 08, 2017, 09:22:23 AM
If you not doing anything suspicious you dont have anything to hide ride? :think:No, It's not because I have smurf loads of things that could look suspicious at home (I am a 'Sunday Maker' if you like, meaning I store things like computer parts and other electronics, random metal stuff, gaz tank, batteries; RF components, fertilizers , and such from many different projects that could be interpreted as 'bomb making', nothing you can't find at any mall though.)
I am not doing something bad, but why would I accept to expose all my life to my civilian neighbors?
I am pretty sure you also have secrets (did I say 'dirty secrets'?) that you don't want people to know about. Does that mean you are a threat to anyone?
Maybe.
Or maybe not?
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 09:35:42 AM
The same is for a Knife. The can be deathly to. ::)
Or a Spoon!
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 10:06:47 AM
But like you mentioned yourself, it's the way you intend to use it.
Asking for the best tool to breach a door is like asking how to burglarise a home.
You can't expect everyday people who try to live their lives in a decent way to flood you with answers about how you can kick in your neighbours door. This is not the forum for that, simply because the members aren't like that.
I'll give you this though:
I'm a security tech myself. I've secured my own house because i CAN, not because I had to.
However, someone who is doing illegal things like: building a bomb, producing drugs, etc... will ALSO secure the place.
You can try to open my door with a single tool, but you'll fail. Just as you would with any criminal's door.
If he's doing illegal stuff, you're not getting in. Simple as that. Not with a crowbar, not with a tool and not with a ram either.
Whenever a drug lab goes up in flames, the fire dept has a hard time reaching the fire because the place is locked so tightly. Yet you expect to get inside within seconds with just a single tool? That does sound like you've seen to many movies...
Post by: lister on December 08, 2017, 10:21:55 AM
I'll give you this though:
I'm a security tech myself. I've secured my own house because i CAN, not because I had to.
However, someone who is doing illegal things like: building a bomb, producing drugs, etc... will ALSO secure the place.
You can try to open my door with a single tool, but you'll fail. Just as you would with any criminal's door.
Can't get through in a reasonable length of time, but if I take an unresonable amount of time as I have been known to do? :think:
:D
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
I'll give you this though:
I'm a security tech myself. I've secured my own house because i CAN, not because I had to.
However, someone who is doing illegal things like: building a bomb, producing drugs, etc... will ALSO secure the place.
You can try to open my door with a single tool, but you'll fail. Just as you would with any criminal's door.
Can't get through in a reasonable length of time, but if I take an unresonable amount of time as I have been known to do? :think:
:D
Then you'll wake up with a headache and a generic brand multitool shoved up your bottom...
In a ditch :whiste:
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 10:27:37 AM
When you see what happened during the G20 in Hamburg you would understand that the Authorities are blind on both eyes and dont want see the full true.
The doen it like Picard: :facepalm: I cant see any crime so the City is safe. :ahhh
Some people give thrust the State. How about the Snowden Files? :drink:
Dear 3ltr Agency here you have all my Data. :salute:
Post by: pomsbz on December 08, 2017, 10:31:34 AM
By any happenstance, would you be working in Mall security?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: lister on December 08, 2017, 10:38:23 AM
I'll give you this though:
I'm a security tech myself. I've secured my own house because i CAN, not because I had to.
However, someone who is doing illegal things like: building a bomb, producing drugs, etc... will ALSO secure the place.
You can try to open my door with a single tool, but you'll fail. Just as you would with any criminal's door.
Can't get through in a reasonable length of time, but if I take an unresonable amount of time as I have been known to do? :think:
:D
Then you'll wake up with a headache and a generic brand multitool shoved up your bottom...
In a ditch :whiste:
I have a cunning plan!
Also: HELP, HELP, I AM BEING REPRESSED! :ahhh
:D
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 10:41:01 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on December 08, 2017, 10:44:15 AM
So what do you think should I do when nobody care about?Hamburg riot? :think:
When you see what happened during the G20 in Hamburg you would understand that the Authorities are blind on both eyes and dont want see the full true.
The doen it like Picard: :facepalm: I cant see any crime so the City is safe. :ahhh
Some people give thrust the State. How about the Snowden Files? :drink:
Dear 3ltr Agency here you have all my Data. :salute:
Could some of our other German(or Belgian, it's all the same :P ) members give me a perspective on this? :pok:
Post by: lister on December 08, 2017, 10:45:39 AM
.... ???
Don't worry, it is a normal course of events on MTO. Threads get derailed all the time. And Monty Python is often involved, if not in quotes then at least in spirit. Also dancing bananas. You'll get it if you stick around long enough. :D
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 10:45:52 AM
You don't want your data to be retrieved by anyone, but you expect that they do that with the people you don't trust?
Yet YOU are the one buying tools to breach other people's homes.
If you are having suspicions of people around you planning illegal activities, you should report that NOW! instead of being a half-ass rambo preparing to breach their home one day, when it might be to late.
And if you made it inside, then what?
All by yourself and 3 armed men in front of you? You're dead... and since you didn't report anything, other people might die too. Which basicaly means you helped in killing them.
This discussion is leading nowhere and I'll refrain myself from touching this buffet any further.
I've heard that frozen bananas make for an excelent weapon of choice though!
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Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 10:46:25 AM
To late....... ???
Don't worry, it is a normal course of events on MTO. Threads get derailed all the time. And Monty Python is often involved, if not in quotes then at least in spirit. Also dancing bananas. You'll get it if you stick around long enough. :D
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 10:47:41 AM
:twak: :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:So what do you think should I do when nobody care about?Hamburg riot? :think:
When you see what happened during the G20 in Hamburg you would understand that the Authorities are blind on both eyes and dont want see the full true.
The doen it like Picard: :facepalm: I cant see any crime so the City is safe. :ahhh
Some people give thrust the State. How about the Snowden Files? :drink:
Dear 3ltr Agency here you have all my Data. :salute:
Could some of our other German(or Belgian, it's all the same) members give me a perspective on this? :pok:
Post by: pomsbz on December 08, 2017, 10:59:35 AM
:twak: :twak: :twak: :twak: :twak:So what do you think should I do when nobody care about?Hamburg riot? :think:
When you see what happened during the G20 in Hamburg you would understand that the Authorities are blind on both eyes and dont want see the full true.
The doen it like Picard: :facepalm: I cant see any crime so the City is safe. :ahhh
Some people give thrust the State. How about the Snowden Files? :drink:
Dear 3ltr Agency here you have all my Data. :salute:
Could some of our other German(or Belgian, it's all the same
Deep breath and think lovingly of throwing trolls off bridges. :rofl:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 08, 2017, 11:04:42 AM
I know there are places in this world were authorities and legal protection is simply not working. If that is indeed the case you might want to move if at all possible. If that is not possible might I suggest that going on a one-man crusade with a glorified crowbar against people you think are heavily armed and planning to do harm does not sound like a good idea.
More places than you'd think..........
I have no trust in the local authorities, 99.99% of the time they will be too late, too ill equipped or simply not interested in helping.
........until I shoot the intruder that is...... :facepalm:
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 08, 2017, 11:11:38 AM
Hamburg riot? :think:
Could some of our other German(or Belgian, it's all the same :P ) members give me a perspective on this? :pok:
A colleague sitting 3 offices down does not like what she saw and experienced during her most recent visit to Germany, she was relieved to see armed police though.....
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 08, 2017, 11:15:32 AM
When you see what happened during the G20 in Hamburg you would understand that the Authorities are blind on both eyes and dont want see the full true.
Who is willing to bet that more people on this planet are getting smurfed by their governments rather than helped?
You see a troll, I see somebody who feels exactly like I do :salute:
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 11:29:45 AM
Post by: Syncop8r on December 08, 2017, 11:53:21 AM
Post by: Don Pablo on December 08, 2017, 11:56:31 AM
How old are you LOWW?Older than me most likely. :D
Post by: Syncop8r on December 08, 2017, 12:33:44 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on December 08, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
Well who isn't? :pok::facepalm: ::)
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 01:05:08 PM
:rofl:Well who isn't? :pok::facepalm: ::)
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 01:35:55 PM
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Hamburg riot? :think:https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=g20+hamburg&page=&utm_source=opensearch
Could some of our other German(or Belgian, it's all the same :P ) members give me a perspective on this? :pok:
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How old are you LOWW?in the next days i turn to 30 and I wand get at least 40.
Yesterday I was in the local Mall and the most people would swear the got teleported to Dubai, Dschidda,...
80% of the People there look like people from there Region.
Post by: Vidar on December 08, 2017, 01:40:38 PM
More places than you'd think..........
I might think more than I think you think I do. I think I could be sure if I knew what you think I think.
I have no trust in the local authorities, 99.99% of the time they will be too late, too ill equipped or simply not interested in helping.
Could be worse. They could be on time, have lots of great equipment for the occasion, and then rob you.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 08, 2017, 01:51:45 PM
:ninja:
By any happenstance, would you be working in Mall security?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: zoidberg on December 08, 2017, 01:52:08 PM
Long time members: you should know better, give it a break.
LOWW: as I already told you, this is not the place to discuss such topics, take your stirring elsewhere.
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 08, 2017, 01:52:29 PM
Maybe i am not?Well who isn't? :pok::facepalm: ::)
Oups: zoid' said stop.
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 01:53:15 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 08, 2017, 01:59:04 PM
If you want to get yourself killed or locked up, please feel free to do so on your own time, and not involve this forum, as none of us wish to be liable for your actions.
Def
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 02:06:27 PM
Post by: zoidberg on December 08, 2017, 02:10:40 PM
Post by: lister on December 08, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on December 08, 2017, 02:35:58 PM
Sry I dont see any problem with. Why not talking about an good Quality door opening Tool?! :think:Buddy, please listen to me before you get banned. Talking about the tool itself is not the problem. It is what you want to use it for. If your are some volunteer fire fighter or something along that lines, cool. This forum is not about breaking and entering others house or bad governments or the NWO taking over type stuff. There are other forums for that. We talk about the tools themselves. Also talk about camping, bushcrafting, primitive skills, watches, bug out bags, amoung other things. We like to joke, derail threads and have fun. There are alot of good people here and you can become part of it and most of us will welcome you with open arms.
Post by: RamoN on December 08, 2017, 02:38:07 PM
:D
Or.. You can take a cue from jack....
Helllooo neighbour!
Post by: Aloha on December 08, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 08, 2017, 03:27:21 PM
In an fallen State does the Authorities care about anything?
I would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.
But, even if you think so, the best way to protect yourself is to protect yourself. Running into dangerous situations for no sensible reason is a good way to let them win. I suggest you stop watching movies and playing Call Of Duty and start thinking about how you are going to get away from trouble, and what you are going to do when you get there rather than living with the fantasy that you are a super ninja.
Because let's face it, if you were a super ninja, you wouldn't need our input.
Def
Post by: LOWW on December 08, 2017, 03:37:08 PM
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I would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
Post by: lister on December 08, 2017, 03:38:53 PM
I would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.
No, Austria is just fine. Australia on the other hand is about to fall, them being upside down and all.
Ok, I'll see myself out of this thread now before I get myself banned... :D
Post by: Don Pablo on December 08, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
:facepalm:I would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.
No, Austria is just fine. Australia on the other hand is about to fall, them being upside down and all.
Ok, I'll see myself out of this thread now before I get myself banned... :D
Here's your coat. I think I'll follow.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 08, 2017, 03:48:55 PM
Well said DTT.Thanks man!
Sigh...QuoteI would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
I tried to warn you.
Post by: G-Dizzle on December 08, 2017, 03:56:55 PM
I agree with this, I think everyone should be prepared to defend themselves, and some situations are worse than others. If someone attacks you or starts attacking others, do something about it, but for all you know your neighbors are just loud. And for all we know you are a crazy person and looking for an excuse to break in to a neighbor’s property, so don’t become offended by our carefulness. You are not a swat team, or a bomb squad, or John Wick. Get whatever tools you can legally to defend yourself and your home, practice with them, use them to defend your life or your family’s life if needed, but do not invade another person’s property without reason. Call the police. If there is truly something going on, it is better that they know and they are the ones to handle it because if you try something yourself and you fail in stopping the threat (if there is one), no one else knows, and you’ve probably just put more innocent people in danger.In an fallen State does the Authorities care about anything?
I would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.
But, even if you think so, the best way to protect yourself is to protect yourself. Running into dangerous situations for no sensible reason is a good way to let them win. I suggest you stop watching movies and playing Call Of Duty and start thinking about how you are going to get away from trouble, and what you are going to do when you get there rather than living with the fantasy that you are a super ninja.
Because let's face it, if you were a super ninja, you wouldn't need our input.
Def
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 08, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
QuoteI would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
Let's assume for a moment that you are correct, and that the authorities no longer exist, somehow the whole country falls tomorrow and you fall into lawlessness, potential threats behind every doorway.
Scanario 1: You hear a rumor that a neighbor is making bombs and you consider it a credible threat. You get your tactical door knocker out and any fire arms you may have access to, and go to "neutralize the threat." You manage to keep your calm, steady your pulse so that you won't miss Bad Guy X with your first shot. You swing the knocker and successfully manage to breach the door only to find out the hard way that the door was rigged to explode with unauthorized entry and you are now lying in the hall, bleeding to death from the various splinters sticking out of your flesh, and Bad Guy X appropriates all of your gear and you have just strengthened the bad guys.
Scenario 2: The same as above, but the door isn't rigged to explode. You gain access only to find that Bad Guy X is having a party, and, while you are trying to shoot him, Bad Guy Y, Bad Guy Z and three others donate a few rounds from each of their AK-47's to your anatomy and you lie there, dying from repeated gunshot wounds and all of your fancy tactical equipment becomes theirs.
Scenario 3: Same as above, except Bad Guy X doesn't have friends over. In fact, Bad Guy X turns out to be a regular guy who has been stealing to feed his small, young family, your intel is wrong, and you have just killed two small children by shooting their father in front of them, and now they will starve to death with no way to feed or defend themselves.
Scenario 4: You grab your bug out bag and head for the country when poop happens. You find a nice, defensible piece of land rich with game and good soil for growing a small amount of vegetables. You survive long enough for order to be restored and you go back to your life, stronger for the experience.
That's pretty well what you can expect. The choice is yours, but remember, bad guys don't play fair, and you are going to lose if you think you are a super hero. You are not. Idiotic decisions like thinking you are a one man tactical force are going to make sure that someone else gets to play with all of your high quality toys. And, if you don't believe me, then I wish you the best of luck in surviving long enough to learn from your choices. I did, and I have the arthritis, screws and plates and scars to prove it.
Def
Post by: Aloha on December 08, 2017, 04:23:44 PM
<< rings bell to clear and balance the frequency around me >>
Ok, let us begin. LOWW, you sir or ma'am can do whatever you want. In no way am I telling you what to do or not do.
The guys have already given you great advice. So let me have a go at another angle.
Focus on the good in your life. Poo happens and life can be overwhelming. For some the response is to fortify themselves with every bit of gear to create a sense of safety. Thats fine. I often wonder tho, why not become part of the system you see as flawed or inept? Once on the inside be the voice that brings attention to whatever you see as inept. Work towards positivity. Focus on positivity. The door or doors you feel may need breaching may very well need breaching. Heck we all have "DOORS" that need breaching, metaphorically speaking.
Become part of the larger picture rather than a "lone wolf" or small group. Is there any reason you cannot or have not gone to the authorities? You may feel they are complacent but how would you know unless you spoke to each and everyone? From what I understand, any credible report of such activities is investigated. We have a saying here in the states, if you see something, say something.
If you are trying to be a good citizen then say something otherwise :think:
Post by: Aloha on December 08, 2017, 04:27:19 PM
<< rings bell, balancing my frequency >>
Everything is good again :salute:
Post by: Etherealicer on December 08, 2017, 04:44:58 PM
You need to put things into perspective. Then you will realize that getting run over by a car was and still is by far more likely to happen to you and it has nothing to do with fanatics or terrorists. Terrorism is a tragedy and it is sad for the victims, but its just a blip in the whole, blown out of proportion by media. Seriously, those acts of terrorism don't even tip the scale. I mean the London tube registers about 40 death/year due to accident (and over 4000 injured). So, there were 30 more injured due to an act of terrorism, that's less than 1%.QuoteI would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 08, 2017, 04:54:31 PM
:salute:You need to put things into perspective. Then you will realize that getting run over by a car was and still is by far more likely to happen to you and it has nothing to do with fanatics or terrorists. Terrorism is a tragedy and it is sad for the victims, but its just a blip in the whole, blown out of proportion by media. Seriously, those acts of terrorism don't even tip the scale. I mean the London tube registers about 40 death/year due to accident (and over 4000 injured). So, there were 30 more injured due to an act of terrorism, that's less than 1%.QuoteI would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
Just like some other unlikely dangers, this one tends to seem more likely than it actually is.
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 08, 2017, 05:00:46 PM
Post by: Ron Who on December 08, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
I want to be safe too.
A nice white room, with three meals a day and lots of tranquilizers would be perfect.
Oh, and a garden, with an electrified fence.
Post by: Mechanickal on December 08, 2017, 05:47:39 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 08, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
What I'm saying is, that unless you walk around with a high visibility west and personal lighting at all the time, you might as well neglect the other dangers.You need to put things into perspective. Then you will realize that getting run over by a car was and still is by far more likely to happen to you and it has nothing to do with fanatics or terrorists. Terrorism is a tragedy and it is sad for the victims, but its just a blip in the whole, blown out of proportion by media. Seriously, those acts of terrorism don't even tip the scale. I mean the London tube registers about 40 death/year due to accident (and over 4000 injured). So, there were 30 more injured due to an act of terrorism, that's less than 1%.QuoteI would hardly consider Austria to be a fallen state.not now but the situation get worse and worse. There are the single incidents who make life :ahhh.
The worst tread on a Christmas market was drunken people and now an Truck with an fanatic extremist.
Post by: Ron Who on December 08, 2017, 07:00:04 PM
Keeps everyone out 8)And me in.
I would be at peace, and no longer have urges to blow up the neighbours house just because I like fireworks.
Post by: Vidar on December 08, 2017, 09:56:58 PM
A Door Ram is to heavy to carry aground over a longer Distance.
How far is it to this neighbor you have? Must be a big 4th floor? Or do you plan on checking the entire neighborhood?
(Sorry, I couldn't resist. :facepalm: )
Post by: Syncop8r on December 08, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
QuoteI have a folding SOG Entrenching Tool and the Gerber Gorge shoveldoes the have a usable saw? :think:Quoteso not much can go wrong with it.When you travel by Public Transport its not the best solution.
I also want an good Saw.
Post by: Ron Who on December 08, 2017, 10:51:58 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on December 09, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
I think the plan is to travel across town using public transport with a heavy duty door opening tool and foldable shovel, deal with the threat, then dig a hole to bury the body. Not sure about the saw though. :think:QuoteI have a folding SOG Entrenching Tool and the Gerber Gorge shoveldoes the have a usable saw? :think:Quoteso not much can go wrong with it.When you travel by Public Transport its not the best solution.
I also want an good Saw.
well the saw is to separate arms, legs and head from the torso... OBVIOUS! :twak:
Well, I guess this thread stopped being family friendly a while back :P
Post by: pomsbz on December 09, 2017, 04:55:22 PM
Found exactly the right thing !
That is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I must be a serious sci-fi geek to recognise most of the tools. There was I thinking I was normal too....
Post by: ironraven on December 10, 2017, 01:17:44 AM
If you have to ask this question, then I"m not sure you're ready to use the answer wisely. And you're asking online. Even if you think you're being clever and hiding your trail online, unless you're spoofing your hardware IDs you're just making yourself look more interesting.
I think you're seeing the issue as larger than it really is and your ability to influence them as even more inflated. Back up. Breath deep. Sober up. And think very, very hard about your next step. If you ever need to execute this scheme, remember, professionals work in teams for a reason. There is no "I" in team. Alone, you're meat. As part of a group of untrained, undercapitilized amateurs, you're going to make meat out of eachother.
And a pro wouldn't be asking this question. They'd be checking the book or talking to their scrounger and their gadgeteer. Or just resorting to more brute force.
Post by: dks on December 10, 2017, 08:48:33 AM
The numbers of resident alcoholics and beggers seem to be the same and they are mainly around the city centre, and prater area. If you go out of the centre you will not see any. There is a noticeable increase in imigrants legal/illegal begging in a pushy way.
Now, according to what I was told by the police you are allowed, legally to sit and beg, provided you are not talking to people and asking for money. As pointed before new beggers will pursue passers by and actively request money, something that is not in Austrian culture and worries people.
However the increase in imigrants begging is common in all Europe.
Vienna feels safe overall.
Post by: greenbear on December 10, 2017, 09:08:38 AM
Scenario 2: The same as above, but the door isn't rigged to explode. You gain access only to find that Bad Guy X is having a party, and, while you are trying to shoot him, Bad Guy Y, Bad Guy Z and three others donate a few rounds from each of their AK-47's to your anatomy and you lie there, dying from repeated gunshot wounds and all of your fancy tactical equipment becomes theirs.
Scenario 3: Same as above, except Bad Guy X doesn't have friends over. In fact, Bad Guy X turns out to be a regular guy who has been stealing to feed his small, young family, your intel is wrong, and you have just killed two small children by shooting their father in front of them, and now they will starve to death with no way to feed or defend themselves.
Scenario 4: You grab your bug out bag and head for the country when poop happens. You find a nice, defensible piece of land rich with game and good soil for growing a small amount of vegetables. You survive long enough for order to be restored and you go back to your life, stronger for the experience."
There is a 5th scenario, and that is that a perfectly average and wholly law abiding guy is sitting in his apartment wondering why the paranoid delusional idiot from down the hall has just blown his door off and barged into his apartment.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 10, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
So, my suggestion for you:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/2015_0731_Kaiserschmarrn_Apfelso%C3%9Fe_Edelweissh%C3%BCtte_S%C3%B6lden.jpg/1200px-2015_0731_Kaiserschmarrn_Apfelso%C3%9Fe_Edelweissh%C3%BCtte_S%C3%B6lden.jpg)
Post by: Vidar on December 10, 2017, 04:02:04 PM
So, my suggestion for you:
A very interesting approach. :)
(Although if someone walking around with a heavy duty door opener invited me to dinner I would hesitate. Without comparison the same also goes for single women.. That makes single women with a heavy duty door opener a definate no I guess).
I discovered this other great door opening tool some years ago. It is called a doorbell. You press it and quite often the door opens - usually along with people who you might then get to know a bit better.
Post by: eamo on December 10, 2017, 09:12:55 PM
So, yesterday I was eating dinner with people from 4 continents (Vietnam to Chile and Netherlands to South Africa, that is at least the people I know the origin off). Each brought food from their countries. Syrian sweets, Nigerian Chicken, Sri Lankan Curry, Greek Cheescake... all was there. Then it dawned on me, best way to knock down a door or even bring down a wall, is to get to know these people.
So, my suggestion for you:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/2015_0731_Kaiserschmarrn_Apfelso%C3%9Fe_Edelweissh%C3%BCtte_S%C3%B6lden.jpg/1200px-2015_0731_Kaiserschmarrn_Apfelso%C3%9Fe_Edelweissh%C3%BCtte_S%C3%B6lden.jpg)
and now i'm hungry
Post by: Syncop8r on December 10, 2017, 10:58:28 PM
Post by: eamo on December 10, 2017, 11:26:37 PM
He does have his own fb page :)
Post by: ironraven on December 11, 2017, 03:30:05 AM
So, my suggestion for you:
Ah, food.
My second favorite way of opening a door. (Favorite is a key.) Beware geeks bearing gifts, for they may want to get to know you.
Post by: lister on December 11, 2017, 01:23:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXSGV5wEv1o
Post by: Mechanickal on December 11, 2017, 06:00:33 PM
Post by: Ron Who on December 11, 2017, 06:16:42 PM
Is the OP still around?
He was here yesterday.
Post by: Mechanickal on December 11, 2017, 06:18:14 PM
Post by: Ron Who on December 11, 2017, 06:20:33 PM
Post by: pomsbz on December 11, 2017, 06:48:10 PM
Post by: Mechanickal on December 11, 2017, 06:53:37 PM
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(https://i2.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Bugs-Bunny-Hitting-Rock-in-Jail.gif?ssl=1)
Post by: Vidar on December 11, 2017, 10:55:20 PM
Right now he's breaking rocks at a maximum security jail, looking at the massive hammer in his hands and thinking 'why on earth didn't I think of using one of these?'.
Are hammers in maximum security jails massive enough to break doors? Something about that doesn't sound quite right. Although I'm sure they would have appreciated a heavy duty door opening tool too! :angel:
Post by: Mechanickal on December 12, 2017, 07:44:05 AM
It's on a chain that's long enough to reach within arms length of the doors, just to annoy people :rofl:Right now he's breaking rocks at a maximum security jail, looking at the massive hammer in his hands and thinking 'why on earth didn't I think of using one of these?'.
Are hammers in maximum security jails massive enough to break doors? Something about that doesn't sound quite right. Although I'm sure they would have appreciated a heavy duty door opening tool too! :angel:
Post by: m47mu74nt on December 12, 2017, 08:19:24 AM
I see, you belong in the crew that writes the next Saw movie :whistle:It's on a chain that's long enough to reach within arms length of the doors, just to annoy people :rofl:Right now he's breaking rocks at a maximum security jail, looking at the massive hammer in his hands and thinking 'why on earth didn't I think of using one of these?'.
Are hammers in maximum security jails massive enough to break doors? Something about that doesn't sound quite right. Although I'm sure they would have appreciated a heavy duty door opening tool too! :angel:
Post by: lister on December 12, 2017, 02:20:53 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 12, 2017, 05:09:24 PM
Just had a thought. One could use a tri-fold shovel as a buckler (small shield) and a one of those axe/prybar hybrids as a weapon and go all medieval/viking on unsuspecting neighbours... now where is that axe wielding emoticon :think:? :D:viking:
Post by: ducttapetech on December 12, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 12, 2017, 05:35:40 PM
:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
Post by: ducttapetech on December 12, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
Post by: dks on December 12, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on December 12, 2017, 07:49:13 PM
https://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/04/08/how-to-break-down-a-door/Only really works for doors that open away from you...
Post by: Don Pablo on December 12, 2017, 07:52:54 PM
And I want to practice it at least once, one day. :like:https://www.artofmanliness.com/2008/04/08/how-to-break-down-a-door/Only really works for doors that open away from you...
Post by: Ron Who on December 12, 2017, 07:59:50 PM
Post by: Syph007 on December 12, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
I wonder if a sledgehammer would work on a steel door. I think for steel its best to use a car jack and push the door frame apart. Thats quiet but not too stealthy.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 12, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
What I'm saying here is that I'M BATMAN!
Or delusional. Probably delusional.
(https://faithgraceandthemessinbetween.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/the-most-important-thing-in-life-is-to-be-yourself-batman.jpg?w=240)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 12, 2017, 10:01:40 PM
Doors here are about 6cm thick, layered wood with a steel inlay (and that is a cheap house door, the one at my parents is 10cm)... sure, an axe will get through eventually, but it won't be short work.It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 12, 2017, 10:16:22 PM
Dang, you guys are really prepared for resisting an invasion by a foreign country aren't you? :oDoors here are about 6cm thick, layered wood with a steel inlay (and that is a cheap house door, the one at my parents is 10cm)... sure, an axe will get through eventually, but it won't be short work.It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 12, 2017, 10:20:55 PM
In our kitchen they broke through the outer wall to add an extension... as you can see, the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).Dang, you guys are really prepared for resisting an invasion by a foreign country aren't you? :oDoors here are about 6cm thick, layered wood with a steel inlay (and that is a cheap house door, the one at my parents is 10cm)... sure, an axe will get through eventually, but it won't be short work.It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
We take "My home is my castle" pretty litteral :D
P.S.: we rate our doors in "how many minutes they can withstand assault with power tools" :D :D
Post by: Mechanickal on December 12, 2017, 10:41:27 PM
Post by: ducttapetech on December 12, 2017, 11:46:39 PM
So your doors are like ours and they get through them in no time. But I think this has more to do with where to hit the door. I am guessing around the locks and knobs. I watched them practice through steels door and was surprised how fast they can get through. But most criminals don't have..........Doors here are about 6cm thick, layered wood with a steel inlay (and that is a cheap house door, the one at my parents is 10cm)... sure, an axe will get through eventually, but it won't be short work.It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
Smurf it , I am done with this thread....I said that to myself when I warned WO....whatever it his name is.
:facepalm:
Post by: pomsbz on December 13, 2017, 08:40:05 AM
In our kitchen they broke through the outer wall to add an extension... as you can see, the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).Dang, you guys are really prepared for resisting an invasion by a foreign country aren't you? :oDoors here are about 6cm thick, layered wood with a steel inlay (and that is a cheap house door, the one at my parents is 10cm)... sure, an axe will get through eventually, but it won't be short work.It won't be quiet, but an axe will make short work of a door. A lot of our volunteer fire fighters here carry them in there trucks.:ashley:Fairly sure an axe would not work on a house-door. At least not fast, nor quite.
We take "My home is my castle" pretty litteral :D
P.S.: we rate our doors in "how many minutes they can withstand assault with power tools" :D :D
Front doors here are also very tough. Metal with 4 way bars giving a total of 10 bars locking into all 4 sides when the door is locked and the keys are way beyond the type that any casual picks could deal with. That's standard across the country, we don't even think about it any more. Windows are also usually barred.
Post by: Ron Who on December 13, 2017, 09:29:47 AM
I live in the wrong country...
I´m glad we don´t need walls and doors like these.
PS the OP seems to have gone into lurker mode. His presence was detected again yesterday but he´s not posting .
Post by: Etherealicer on December 13, 2017, 09:55:08 AM
Considering the width of some houses in NL, walls like this would take away 80% of the living space :DI live in the wrong country...
I´m glad we don´t need walls and doors like these.
We mostly have no barren windows. The reason for this construction is stability and insulation.
Post by: Ron Who on December 13, 2017, 10:07:53 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 13, 2017, 10:47:37 AM
The Schietspijp, smallest house in my home town, in between the City Hall (left) and Hudson Bay (until recently Vroom & Dreesmann).That is sooo cute... and thanks to the big buildings next to it, it even stands straight :rofl:
Post by: ThePeacent on December 13, 2017, 11:30:15 AM
I mean, it's all odds against you. :pok:
They know their place better, they can hide or surprise-attack you, you're making a mess and so much noise to enter (and getting tired), they've got windows and possibly a back door... :facepalm:
Post by: Syncop8r on December 13, 2017, 11:37:56 AM
the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Post by: Etherealicer on December 13, 2017, 01:24:18 PM
We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Post by: lister on December 13, 2017, 01:43:07 PM
We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Post by: Etherealicer on December 13, 2017, 02:25:54 PM
They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there is
Post by: pomsbz on December 13, 2017, 05:41:49 PM
Post by: Don Pablo on December 13, 2017, 06:26:50 PM
The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
Post by: GuacamoleBay on December 13, 2017, 06:36:13 PM
The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
Post by: Don Pablo on December 13, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
"When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
There are various versions of the quote, I don't know which, if any, are true, but I think you get the sentiment. ;)
Post by: Etherealicer on December 13, 2017, 08:09:32 PM
Shooting is quite a popular past time here... last year the national competition had over 127'000 contestants (Pistol 25/50m and rifle 300m)."When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
There are various versions of the quote, I don't know which, if any, are true, but I think you get the sentiment. ;)
Post by: lister on December 14, 2017, 04:09:36 PM
Shooting is quite a popular past time here... last year the national competition had over 127'000 contestants (Pistol 25/50m and rifle 300m)."When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
There are various versions of the quote, I don't know which, if any, are true, but I think you get the sentiment. ;)
That would explain your cheeses. Now I wonder do I have to worry about led poisoning? :D
Post by: Etherealicer on December 14, 2017, 05:02:27 PM
No, LED are quite harmless...Shooting is quite a popular past time here... last year the national competition had over 127'000 contestants (Pistol 25/50m and rifle 300m)."When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
There are various versions of the quote, I don't know which, if any, are true, but I think you get the sentiment. ;)
That would explain your cheeses. Now I wonder do I have to worry about led poisoning? :D
Post by: lister on December 14, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
No, LED are quite harmless...Shooting is quite a popular past time here... last year the national competition had over 127'000 contestants (Pistol 25/50m and rifle 300m)."When the German Kaiser asked in 1912 what the quarter of a million Swiss militiamen would do if invaded by a half million German soldiers, a Swiss replied: shoot twice and go home."The more I learn about you guys... :sa:They were and are mandatory. However, since 2012 they are only mandatory in buildings with 38 and more rooms where people live (not in office buildings).We only have mild earthquakes, so no problem... it is however well possible to build sturdy houses that are earthquake proof (look at all those skyscrapers in LA).the wall is roughly 4 spirits thick (bricks, insulation and another layer of bricks).If they built walls like that here they would fall down in earthquakes (they used to, and they did).
Depending on the region chances of an avalanche/landslides is far greater. If it is snow, a house like this might resist, if its stone then your house is gone, the bomb shelter will survive though :D
Weren't bomb shelters mandatory for all houses until not to long ago in your country? I like that idea, a kind of future proofing. I get it that it must be an annoying extra expense when you build your house, but if things go to hell it is a nice thing to have. And you can still use it in peace time to store junk and stuff... :D
Since we don't really have earthquakes or hurricanes, there islittleno opportunity to use them (and I hope for a better future than one where they are needed). If you live in an area where natural catastrophes occur more frequently, its probably a good idea (especially hurricane/tornadoes as you have time to go to your shelter).
I think that the entire population of Switzerland are as prepared as Batman. :rofl:
"See this thing? It's called a Swiss Army Knife. You heard of Switzerland? It's a country in Europe and they don't like to fight. They let everybody do their fighting for them while they ski and eat chocolate."
-Larry David
There are various versions of the quote, I don't know which, if any, are true, but I think you get the sentiment. ;)
That would explain your cheeses. Now I wonder do I have to worry about led poisoning? :D
Smurf! :oops: :facepalm: :ahhh
:D
Post by: Gerhard Gerber on December 18, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
I can understand all the arguments raised why this person wanting to break down doors upsets most of you. :salute:
What I do not appreciate is you all just see a nutter, which he might be, but there might also be a very valid reason for his anxiety.
From what I read in the news, and what I've been told first hand, there is reason for concern.
Nutter or not, can't say, but due to the international nature of this forum I have to point out that you, and me, can sometimes not even imagine how different life can be for others......
I had a moment this morning reading about Dan (Chako) chasing off car thieves........I cannot comprehend how or why he did that unarmed, knowing all the sweet firearms he owns!
Now, because you are such nice people, I truly and deeply hope you never experience anxiety that drives you into that mindspace :salute:
Post by: lister on December 18, 2017, 01:33:15 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 18, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
I left this thread rather angry on page 2 or something.......probably should've stayed gone....Here you go...
I can understand all the arguments raised why this person wanting to break down doors upsets most of you. :salute:
What I do not appreciate is you all just see a nutter, which he might be, but there might also be a very valid reason for his anxiety.
From what I read in the news, and what I've been told first hand, there is reason for concern.
Nutter or not, can't say, but due to the international nature of this forum I have to point out that you, and me, can sometimes not even imagine how different life can be for others......
I had a moment this morning reading about Dan (Chako) chasing off car thieves........I cannot comprehend how or why he did that unarmed, knowing all the sweet firearms he owns!
Now, because you are such nice people, I truly and deeply hope you never experience anxiety that drives you into that mindspace :salute:
From German TV (https://www.prosieben.ch/tv/galileo/videos/5156-extrem-tuer-oeffnen-clip) unfortunately in German
Door 1: Primitve Door
SEK (Police Special Force) 2:48
Gas pressure cannon + 0.7kg projectile 1:28
Explosives: 10:30
Door 2: What I would call a standard front-door without any reinforcement
SEK 1:05 (obviously, they adapted their strategy/ door not really open, just an opening to crawl through / exhausting)
Gas pressure cannon 8:05
Door 3: Safety door with reinforcement (still fairly common)
SEK gave up after 28:16
Gas pressure cannon... gave up as the cannon has banged up his shoulder
Explosives & power-tools 16:34
As you can see... none of the methods open even a medium door without giving the occupant more than enough time to react. And they are not really portable either. While the SEK is quite impressive on the 2nd door, its still over a minute.
So, the simple truth is, you cannot break a door quickly or quietly and its not a job for a single person.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 18, 2017, 05:04:45 PM
And the facts have spoken. 8)I left this thread rather angry on page 2 or something.......probably should've stayed gone....Here you go...
I can understand all the arguments raised why this person wanting to break down doors upsets most of you. :salute:
What I do not appreciate is you all just see a nutter, which he might be, but there might also be a very valid reason for his anxiety.
From what I read in the news, and what I've been told first hand, there is reason for concern.
Nutter or not, can't say, but due to the international nature of this forum I have to point out that you, and me, can sometimes not even imagine how different life can be for others......
I had a moment this morning reading about Dan (Chako) chasing off car thieves........I cannot comprehend how or why he did that unarmed, knowing all the sweet firearms he owns!
Now, because you are such nice people, I truly and deeply hope you never experience anxiety that drives you into that mindspace :salute:
From German TV (https://www.prosieben.ch/tv/galileo/videos/5156-extrem-tuer-oeffnen-clip) unfortunately in German
Door 1: Primitve Door
SEK (Police Special Force) 2:48
Gas pressure cannon + 0.7kg projectile 1:28
Explosives: 10:30
Door 2: What I would call a standard front-door without any reinforcement
SEK 1:05 (obviously, they adapted their strategy/ door not really open, just an opening to crawl through / exhausting)
Gas pressure cannon 8:05
Door 3: Safety door with reinforcement (still fairly common)
SEK gave up after 28:16
Gas pressure cannon... gave up as the cannon has banged up his shoulder
Explosives & power-tools 16:34
As you can see... none of the methods open even a medium door without giving the occupant more than enough time to react. And they are not really portable either. While the SEK is quite impressive on the 2nd door, its still over a minute.
So, the simple truth is, you cannot break a door quickly or quietly and its not a job for a single person.
Unless these facts are wrong, this sounds like the end of the argument.
Post by: Syncop8r on December 18, 2017, 08:07:55 PM
Post by: lister on December 18, 2017, 08:35:51 PM
In New Zealand we just turn the handle. :think:
Or does the handle turn you as everything is upside down? :ahhh
:D
Post by: Syncop8r on December 18, 2017, 09:54:43 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 19, 2017, 09:33:32 AM
In New Zealand we just turn the handle. :think:Well, none of those guys checked if the door was locked :rofl:
Post by: moonweasel on December 20, 2017, 08:51:53 AM
In New Zealand we just turn the handle. :think:Well, none of those guys checked if the door was locked :rofl:
If it is, they just call me.
Post by: moonweasel on December 20, 2017, 09:01:36 AM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 20, 2017, 09:23:22 AM
As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Post by: moonweasel on December 20, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 20, 2017, 11:13:17 AM
For the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 20, 2017, 11:51:31 AM
I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
Post by: Don Pablo on December 20, 2017, 11:57:45 AM
Now that you mention them... Who isn't? :dd:I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.
-the Tarkin hypothesis?
Post by: GuacamoleBay on December 20, 2017, 06:04:17 PM
Now that you mention them... Who isn't? :dd:I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.
-the Tarkin hypothesis?
You know the saying: "the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and a sledgehammer"
Post by: Etherealicer on December 20, 2017, 06:19:36 PM
I think you misquoted... it should beNow that you mention them... Who isn't? :dd:I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.
-the Tarkin hypothesis?
You know the saying: "the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and a sledgehammer"
"the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and another stick of dynamite"
Post by: Don Pablo on December 20, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
What if you have unlimited dynamite? :drool:I think you misquoted... it should beNow that you mention them... Who isn't? :dd:I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.
-the Tarkin hypothesis?
You know the saying: "the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and a sledgehammer"
"the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and another stick of dynamite"
Post by: Ron Who on December 20, 2017, 08:20:21 PM
There will be no door left unopened to you. :DWhat if you have unlimited dynamite? :drool:I think you misquoted... it should beNow that you mention them... Who isn't? :dd:I'm more a fan of explosives :DFor the chance to use a cool toy.As a side note , I would love to turn up to a job with that air cannon :gimme:But would you also like to get home from work and have a bruised shoulder
Worth it.
As the size of an explosion increases, the number of social situations it is incapable of solving approaches zero.
-the Tarkin hypothesis?
You know the saying: "the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and a sledgehammer"
"the two best lock picks are a stick of dynamite and another stick of dynamite"
Post by: firiki on December 20, 2017, 08:34:43 PM
There will be no door left unopened to you. :D
T'SWSS... :D
Post by: Grant Lamontagne on December 20, 2017, 09:56:15 PM
Def
Post by: Don Pablo on December 20, 2017, 10:04:06 PM
Watch out, if you have an unlimited supply of dynamite someone may come kicking down your door to neutralize the threat you present.If I have an unlimited supply of dynamite, I can make fortress walls of dynamite to keep them out. :whistle:
Def
Post by: Syncop8r on December 20, 2017, 11:16:18 PM
Post by: WoodsDuck on December 21, 2017, 05:00:20 AM
Watch out, if you have an unlimited supply of dynamite someone may come kicking down your door to neutralize the threat you present.
Def
He clearly said he wanted to neutralize the Tread.
Leatherman fans beware!
:o
Post by: Etherealicer on December 21, 2017, 09:06:19 AM
I knew this thread would blow up. :facepalm:But who lit the fuse?
Post by: Etherealicer on December 21, 2017, 10:58:22 AM
I think he just meant neuter... so they wont sire offsprings like "Half a Tread"Watch out, if you have an unlimited supply of dynamite someone may come kicking down your door to neutralize the threat you present.
Def
He clearly said he wanted to neutralize the Tread.
Leatherman fans beware!:o
Post by: Don Pablo on December 21, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
Too late to neuter the other models, isn't it?... :cry:I think he just meant neuter... so they wont sire offsprings like "Half a Tread"Watch out, if you have an unlimited supply of dynamite someone may come kicking down your door to neutralize the threat you present.
Def
He clearly said he wanted to neutralize the Tread.
Leatherman fans beware!:o
Post by: GuacamoleBay on December 21, 2017, 07:45:21 PM
Too late to neuter the other models, isn't it?... :cry:I think he just meant neuter... so they wont sire offsprings like "Half a Tread"Watch out, if you have an unlimited supply of dynamite someone may come kicking down your door to neutralize the threat you present.
Def
He clearly said he wanted to neutralize the Tread.
Leatherman fans beware!:o
You can neuter the other Leathermans with the raptor
Post by: Vidar on December 21, 2017, 09:55:58 PM
Post by: Syncop8r on December 21, 2017, 10:09:49 PM
Post by: Etherealicer on December 21, 2017, 10:28:13 PM
Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)For occasions like this, I highly recommend the Gerber DING-DONG... it is almost as if you are ringing the bell.
(https://www.gerbergear.com/var/gerber/storage/images/frontpage/equipment/breaching-tools/ding-dong_30-000790/8481786-7-eng-US/Ding-Dong-Breaching-Tool_fulljpg.jpg)
Post by: Vidar on December 21, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)For occasions like this, I highly recommend the Gerber DING-DONG... it is almost as if you are ringing the bell.
(https://www.gerbergear.com/var/gerber/storage/images/frontpage/equipment/breaching-tools/ding-dong_30-000790/8481786-7-eng-US/Ding-Dong-Breaching-Tool_fulljpg.jpg)
Yes, bringing pitchforks to the issue at hand has a long tradition in Europe. Traditionally accompanied by torches and a suitably sized hyped up crowd.
Post by: Lynn LeFey on December 22, 2017, 12:41:54 AM
Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Post by: WoodsDuck on December 22, 2017, 01:30:47 AM
Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Quite possibly the most tactical tool ever invented :mn:
Post by: Don Pablo on December 22, 2017, 02:23:56 AM
It can even replace a SAK or multitool! :whistle:Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Quite possibly the most tactical tool ever invented :mn:
Post by: Vidar on December 22, 2017, 03:33:18 AM
It can even replace a SAK or multitool! :whistle:Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Quite possibly the most tactical tool ever invented :mn:
I think I've tried something very similar to your prototype as a crowbar and big flat screwdriver too.
Post by: Etherealicer on December 22, 2017, 08:17:24 AM
We have them too... and while commonly those OPT are modeled after animals, ours is modeled after our favorite food... CHEEESEIt can even replace a SAK or multitool! :whistle:Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Quite possibly the most tactical tool ever invented :mn:
I think I've tried something very similar to your prototype as a crowbar and big flat screwdriver too.
(https://www.ktipp.ch/image/?m=Artikel&rid=1091608&attr=bild&thumb=thumb_PnUYQ9_resize_300_200.jpg)
Post by: pomsbz on December 22, 2017, 09:32:25 AM
We have them too... and while commonly those OPT are modeled after animals, ours is modeled after our favorite food... CHEEESEIt can even replace a SAK or multitool! :whistle:Anyone know of a light duty door opening tool? You know, for smaller occasions. Say if I hear someone talking about jaywalking then maybe enter and unpair all their socks? (I might not have the vigilante expertise down just yet, but surely that will teach them!)
I have a prototype I'm working on. Super secret tech. Don't tell anyone. But...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Standard-lock-key.jpg)
Easily fits in a pocket or on a ring. Solid, single piece construction. Long-lasting and non-sparking, in case the place you're trying to get into has a gas leak. Lanyard ring hole included. Good for foot scratching, ear-wax removal, lottery ticket scratching, put between fingers on a ring as a self defense tool, use it to clean gunk from firearms, LOTS of uses.
Quite possibly the most tactical tool ever invented :mn:
I think I've tried something very similar to your prototype as a crowbar and big flat screwdriver too.
(https://www.ktipp.ch/image/?m=Artikel&rid=1091608&attr=bild&thumb=thumb_PnUYQ9_resize_300_200.jpg)
Our keys look similar but I don't eat cheese. Oh the humanity!
That said, not only do we get far better security but the lack of package opening potential forces us, FORCES us, to carry a knife. No one can ever say to us, 'why don't you just use that key you're already carrying'. :rofl:
Post by: Syncop8r on December 22, 2017, 12:25:47 PM
Post by: ThePeacent on December 22, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Or a neighbor that ended up in prison for raiding a poor family's flat? :think: